Mate, works do not refer to Mosaic law. Works are all the things you think you can do earn salvation. You can't earn salvation! Can Paul make it any more clear. When Paul refers to the law, he is referring to the decalogue that God wrote with his finger, not the rules and regulations of the Mosaic law. My friend your good works are in vain. You must only trust in the merits of Christ because only He can save you.
Show me some scriptures that prove that the works don't refer to mosaic works? I proved my point from the scriptures. all you say, nothing is from the bible, you only give personal reasoning, while I quoted scriptures. It makes sense, Paul is preaching in a world where pagans and jews alike believed that performing certain works of ritual would merit them something, so paul had to preach against trusting in such dead performances, and rather have genuine faith and right living.
Matthew 7:21 actually refers to people who think they are doing good works to warrant their salvation. It talks of those that prophesy, cast out demons and perfom miracles. All these good works, and Jesus denies them in the end. This Jarko totally misinterprets Eph 2:8-10. It clearly says that works cannot save you. But it talks of works as being something predestined for Christians to do.
matt 7:21 talks of pretenders who act in Jesus name but don't keep his commandments, miracles are the thing here, not righteousness, they confess Jesus, hence Jesus says, not every one that says Lord Lord enter the kingdom. This is against the whole idea that by confessing Christ you instantly are saved. Nothing is indicated that these pretenders of this passage are trying to warrant their salvation, only false pretension is condemned, you are forcing protestant bias to clear text
@brendos444 This Jarko totally misinterprets Eph 2:8-10. It clearly says that works cannot save you.
-It says clearly that our destiny and purpose is to walk in good works as said in that passage, clearly then it is expected from us to do them, or are you saying that Jesus lied in matt 25:34-46?
You quote Matt 7: 21 and use your own reasoning to assume that the will of the father in this passage means and I quote you " usually means some sort of work" Really? I prefer to use Jesus to interpret Jesus. Jesus tells us what the will of the Father is, John 6:40 and what the work of God is,John 6:29. Quite the opposite of what you are saying. We work because we are Christians not to become Christians. If you work to become a Christian it reveals trust in your own ability rather than Christ.
@ektycol We work because we are Christians not to become Christians. If you work to become a Christian it reveals trust in your own ability rather than Christ.
-unbelievable logic! So the heathen converts were actually always christians in disquise? since they could never become christians, they were supposed to be christians already and those works just show it? So JOhn the baptist was lying when he commanded the converts to bring fruit meet for repentance? faith is part of it all offcourse!
@Jarkko1983 Since I`m quoting the words of Jesus, so you will have to explain to me what is so unbelievable about his logic. You clearly misunderstand what John meant. The Pharisees and Sadducees were loaded with good works, so according to your logic John should have accepted them. Paul explains that they stumbled because they trusted in those works rather than faith, Rom 9:30-33 Works to attain a saving righteousness has no part in God`s plan. Eph 2:8-9 Righteousness comes by faith Jhn 1:12,13
While recuperating I was the recipient of many kind acts and gifts of service from the wonderful saints of my ward. For example, one day while undergoing designated bed rest at my home due to leaking spinal fluid, all the youth of my ward gathered around my window in my backyard and sang to me a hymn of Zion and wished me well.
"Little did I know that I would end up as the one in need of this service," he wrote. "During the year I was required to undergo painful back surgery which, after unforeseen complications, left me feeling somewhat helpless as to how I could get done all that I needed to do as a father, bishop and employee.
Remember Christians, the will of God is no Catholic, Protestant,Orthodox, Penticostal, Adventist, JW, Mormon Etc. NO DIVISION, Only Christians, holy, helping and sharing instead of buying and selling.
"That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me." (John 17:9-21)
You brought up a point in the video that I often wonder. Jesus sacrificed himself, he was the ultimate sacrifice so that no more animal sacrifice was needed anymore. Well, the Jews deny Christ to be the savior, but why dont they do animal sacrifices anymore?
Salvation from Physical Death. All people eventually die. But through the Atonement and Resurrection of Jesus Christ, all people will be resurrected—saved from physical death. Paul testified, "As in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive" (1 Corinthians 15:22). In this sense, everyone is saved, regardless of choices made during this life. This is a free gift from the Savior to all human beings.
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...Osimodo...why are you singing a roman catholic hymn...the composer, frederick faber was singing about his catholics faith, not about the mormon cult...
This comes from people in a religion who used to have a derogatory word for african americans but now they are NOT allowed to so they have to derogatory words since ALL they know how to do is degrade others!
Well, Mormons are a cult, definition of a cult: A group of people who follow under 1 single being. Mormons follow only Christ right. There ya go, Mormons are a cult haha.
From what I have seen the LDS and Catholics are in agreement on faith, grace & works. "Faith alone" only appears one time in scriptures and that's when James tells us it will not save. Paul also said it's better to have charity than faith.
"I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:"
Hey Jarkko1983, Just a thought. Did you know that the Bible does not say anything about baptism for the remission of sin? It is the blood of Christ which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Thanks for the correction. I originally looked it up and couldn't find it. Although John the Baptist was doing this work for sin, and did baptise Jesus, it is now in Jesus that we can achieve salvation.
Osmiolos, I have looked every where in the Bible and cannot find anything about a pre existance. Do you have a verse that would show something about this?
"Do you have a verse that would show something about this? "
I will start with ONE, there are many!
Jeremiah 1:5
"Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations"
Works evidence salvation, they don't save us. Good works are FROM salvation, not FOR or TO.
You were born dead - a sinner, like everyone. Jesus said, "you must be born again." Your good works are filthy rags before a holy God, dead fruit. Only Christ will produce good works in us AFTER salvation.
A pear tree can't make itself grow plums. It must be changed to a plum tree (saved/born again) to then be able to grow plums. By nature we are pear trees (Eph 2:3).
What work did you do to be born the first time? You didn't, omiolo. Neither can you for the second/spirit birth. You must be born of water (flesh) and Spirit. Water birth is not baptism, rather an outward expression of the second birth.
Re: negating works - you must not have read the first line of my previous post.
LDS teaches you were born a child of God at your first birth. The bible teaches otherwise - that we were born children of wrath UNTIL we are born again into His kingdom.
"you sir should take a look at the corruption in your own religion before you take a poke at other religions."
I do but it ONLY takes about 5 seconds and those individuals are ALL now ANTImormons spamming these boards with their hate. Many of them are EVANGELICALS.
Now what are you doing about the DAILY corruption among the EVANGELICALS?
The Bible is very clear that repentance (living according to God's will) always accompanies (is evidence of) true saving faith. So both Mormons and sincere evangelical Christians who understand the scriptures, believe that a person who lives an "un-godly" life is not a person who is saved. Their works reveal what is in their heart.
So the question becomes "what saves us - our works or our faith?" The verses you yourself share, such as those quoted below by omiolo, clearly answer that question - that at the end of the day it is our faith alone that saves us, lest anyone have anything to boast of. At the same time, verse 10 clearly shows that God wants us to walk in good works, not to earn our salvation but because it is God's will, and a person with saving faith desires to glorify and please God and to do good.
So please understand when you are doing good works and doing your best to keep all the commandments, the point is not the works themselves but the motivation behind them that God cares about. As Romans 9:30-33 clearly says, the Jews who try to earn their salvation as if it were based on works, failed to attain it. Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith but thought they could earn it through their works.
Good works/living the Gospel is important as it demonstrates that our faith is real.
And those jews tried to earn their dalvation by works such as killing a sacrificial ram, not going to save someones life by offering youself in danger. Those works are not the commandments we ought to keep as luther taught aswell. Anyone who keeps the commandments and has faith in christ will not boast of himself, because only christs atonement brought the opportunity for him to repent, but he need's to repent and that need some effort, like in proverbs it's clearly stated.
7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Yeah, I have a serious problem when EVANGELICALS "forget" versus 10. I wish they believed the WHOLE.
Mate, works do not refer to Mosaic law. Works are all the things you think you can do earn salvation. You can't earn salvation! Can Paul make it any more clear. When Paul refers to the law, he is referring to the decalogue that God wrote with his finger, not the rules and regulations of the Mosaic law. My friend your good works are in vain. You must only trust in the merits of Christ because only He can save you.
brendos444 2 years ago
@brendos444
Show me some scriptures that prove that the works don't refer to mosaic works? I proved my point from the scriptures. all you say, nothing is from the bible, you only give personal reasoning, while I quoted scriptures. It makes sense, Paul is preaching in a world where pagans and jews alike believed that performing certain works of ritual would merit them something, so paul had to preach against trusting in such dead performances, and rather have genuine faith and right living.
Jarkko1983 1 year ago
Matthew 7:21 actually refers to people who think they are doing good works to warrant their salvation. It talks of those that prophesy, cast out demons and perfom miracles. All these good works, and Jesus denies them in the end. This Jarko totally misinterprets Eph 2:8-10. It clearly says that works cannot save you. But it talks of works as being something predestined for Christians to do.
brendos444 2 years ago
@brendos444
matt 7:21 talks of pretenders who act in Jesus name but don't keep his commandments, miracles are the thing here, not righteousness, they confess Jesus, hence Jesus says, not every one that says Lord Lord enter the kingdom. This is against the whole idea that by confessing Christ you instantly are saved. Nothing is indicated that these pretenders of this passage are trying to warrant their salvation, only false pretension is condemned, you are forcing protestant bias to clear text
Jarkko1983 1 year ago
@brendos444 This Jarko totally misinterprets Eph 2:8-10. It clearly says that works cannot save you.
-It says clearly that our destiny and purpose is to walk in good works as said in that passage, clearly then it is expected from us to do them, or are you saying that Jesus lied in matt 25:34-46?
Jarkko1983 1 year ago
You quote Matt 7: 21 and use your own reasoning to assume that the will of the father in this passage means and I quote you " usually means some sort of work" Really? I prefer to use Jesus to interpret Jesus. Jesus tells us what the will of the Father is, John 6:40 and what the work of God is,John 6:29. Quite the opposite of what you are saying. We work because we are Christians not to become Christians. If you work to become a Christian it reveals trust in your own ability rather than Christ.
ektycol 2 years ago
@ektycol We work because we are Christians not to become Christians. If you work to become a Christian it reveals trust in your own ability rather than Christ.
-unbelievable logic! So the heathen converts were actually always christians in disquise? since they could never become christians, they were supposed to be christians already and those works just show it? So JOhn the baptist was lying when he commanded the converts to bring fruit meet for repentance? faith is part of it all offcourse!
Jarkko1983 1 year ago
@Jarkko1983 Since I`m quoting the words of Jesus, so you will have to explain to me what is so unbelievable about his logic. You clearly misunderstand what John meant. The Pharisees and Sadducees were loaded with good works, so according to your logic John should have accepted them. Paul explains that they stumbled because they trusted in those works rather than faith, Rom 9:30-33 Works to attain a saving righteousness has no part in God`s plan. Eph 2:8-9 Righteousness comes by faith Jhn 1:12,13
ektycol 11 months ago
While recuperating I was the recipient of many kind acts and gifts of service from the wonderful saints of my ward. For example, one day while undergoing designated bed rest at my home due to leaking spinal fluid, all the youth of my ward gathered around my window in my backyard and sang to me a hymn of Zion and wished me well.
omiolo 2 years ago
"Little did I know that I would end up as the one in need of this service," he wrote. "During the year I was required to undergo painful back surgery which, after unforeseen complications, left me feeling somewhat helpless as to how I could get done all that I needed to do as a father, bishop and employee.
omiolo 2 years ago
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Remember Christians, the will of God is no Catholic, Protestant,Orthodox, Penticostal, Adventist, JW, Mormon Etc. NO DIVISION, Only Christians, holy, helping and sharing instead of buying and selling.
"That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me." (John 17:9-21)
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conceil8 2 years ago
You brought up a point in the video that I often wonder. Jesus sacrificed himself, he was the ultimate sacrifice so that no more animal sacrifice was needed anymore. Well, the Jews deny Christ to be the savior, but why dont they do animal sacrifices anymore?
Rammiumptum 2 years ago 2
For all these reasons and more, we need Heavenly Fathers help. An important source of this help comes through mans service to his fellowman
omiolo 3 years ago
Salvation from Physical Death. All people eventually die. But through the Atonement and Resurrection of Jesus Christ, all people will be resurrected—saved from physical death. Paul testified, "As in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive" (1 Corinthians 15:22). In this sense, everyone is saved, regardless of choices made during this life. This is a free gift from the Savior to all human beings.
osmiolos 3 years ago 3
1 Timothy 6:12
Jude 1:3
osmiolos 3 years ago 2
Faith of our fathers, living still
In spite of dungeon, fire, and sword;
Oh, how our hearts beat high with joy
Wheneer we hear that glorious word.
osmiolos 3 years ago 2
Faith of our fathers, we will strive
To win all nations unto thee,
And thru the truth that comes from God,
Mankind shall then be truly free.
osmiolos 3 years ago
Faith of our fathers, we will love
Both friend and foe in all our strife,
And preach thee, too, as love knows how,
By kindly words and virtuous life.
osmiolos 3 years ago
[Chorus]
Faith of our fathers, holy faith,
We will be true to thee till de
osmiolos 3 years ago 2
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...Osimodo...why are you singing a roman catholic hymn...the composer, frederick faber was singing about his catholics faith, not about the mormon cult...
dimtry19 3 years ago
"not about the mormon cult..."
oh yes the word CULT.
This comes from people in a religion who used to have a derogatory word for african americans but now they are NOT allowed to so they have to derogatory words since ALL they know how to do is degrade others!
I guess that is why they worship a false christ!
osmiolos 3 years ago
Well, Mormons are a cult, definition of a cult: A group of people who follow under 1 single being. Mormons follow only Christ right. There ya go, Mormons are a cult haha.
Rammiumptum 2 years ago 2
yes we follow Jesus the Christ =)
omiolo 2 years ago
yeah, I am still going for BOTH!
osmiolos 3 years ago 2
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boring, and wrong
ViacomSucks1 3 years ago
"boring, and wrong "
wrong on BOTH accounts!
at least you are consistent!
osmiolos 3 years ago 2
Titus 1:16
"They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. "
osmiolos 3 years ago
"why is it so evil to follow Christ's example"
that is ONE of things I wish EVANGELICAL's didn't believe!
osmiolos 3 years ago 2
From what I have seen the LDS and Catholics are in agreement on faith, grace & works. "Faith alone" only appears one time in scriptures and that's when James tells us it will not save. Paul also said it's better to have charity than faith.
trencher7 3 years ago 3
1 Corinthians 13:2
"And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity. "
osmiolos 3 years ago
Matthew 3:11
"I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:"
osmiolos 3 years ago
Hey Jarkko1983, Just a thought. Did you know that the Bible does not say anything about baptism for the remission of sin? It is the blood of Christ which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
paintvp 3 years ago
probably NOT your Bible!
Luke 3:3
"And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins; "
osmiolos 3 years ago
Thanks for the correction. I originally looked it up and couldn't find it. Although John the Baptist was doing this work for sin, and did baptise Jesus, it is now in Jesus that we can achieve salvation.
paintvp 3 years ago
Osmiolos, I have looked every where in the Bible and cannot find anything about a pre existance. Do you have a verse that would show something about this?
paintvp 3 years ago
"Do you have a verse that would show something about this? "
I will start with ONE, there are many!
Jeremiah 1:5
"Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations"
osmiolos 3 years ago
" it is now in Jesus that we can achieve salvation. "
it was ALWAYS in Jesus that we can obtain salvation!
osmiolos 3 years ago
Matthew 24:13
"But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."
omiolo 3 years ago
omiolo, Are you related in any way to osmiolos? Same identity or relation?
paintvp 3 years ago
I love how you guys can make EVERY assumption possible about the Mormons with little evidence, but something as simple as that and you are unclear!
omiolo 3 years ago
I love how you guys can make EVERY assumption
You apparently cannot have a normal conversation without hate.
paintvp 3 years ago
"You apparently cannot have a normal conversation without hate. "
I am NOT an EVANGELICAL!
omiolo 3 years ago
Works evidence salvation, they don't save us. Good works are FROM salvation, not FOR or TO.
You were born dead - a sinner, like everyone. Jesus said, "you must be born again." Your good works are filthy rags before a holy God, dead fruit. Only Christ will produce good works in us AFTER salvation.
A pear tree can't make itself grow plums. It must be changed to a plum tree (saved/born again) to then be able to grow plums. By nature we are pear trees (Eph 2:3).
You must be born again.
mtcanz 3 years ago
"You must be born again."
I don't think any Mormon would disagree with that decree from our Redeemer and Savior.
Nevertheless, that birth includes be born of WATER and the SPIRIT.
Which require WORK!
It seems the more EVANGELICALS negate works the easier it is for them to justify the corruption that is so evident in their religion!
omiolo 3 years ago
What work did you do to be born the first time? You didn't, omiolo. Neither can you for the second/spirit birth. You must be born of water (flesh) and Spirit. Water birth is not baptism, rather an outward expression of the second birth.
Re: negating works - you must not have read the first line of my previous post.
LDS teaches you were born a child of God at your first birth. The bible teaches otherwise - that we were born children of wrath UNTIL we are born again into His kingdom.
mtcanz 3 years ago
you sir should take a look at the corruption in your own religion before you take a poke at other religions.
Pug40 3 years ago
"you sir should take a look at the corruption in your own religion before you take a poke at other religions."
I do but it ONLY takes about 5 seconds and those individuals are ALL now ANTImormons spamming these boards with their hate. Many of them are EVANGELICALS.
Now what are you doing about the DAILY corruption among the EVANGELICALS?
besides ignoring it!!
omiolo 3 years ago
Question 2 mormons and non-mormons alike. #1- Are we saved by our faith IN Christ or by the faith OF Christ? #2- Is faith in itself a WORK?
WIzDum82 3 years ago
Good Vid!
MormonDefenders 3 years ago
The Bible is very clear that repentance (living according to God's will) always accompanies (is evidence of) true saving faith. So both Mormons and sincere evangelical Christians who understand the scriptures, believe that a person who lives an "un-godly" life is not a person who is saved. Their works reveal what is in their heart.
intDavid 3 years ago
So the question becomes "what saves us - our works or our faith?" The verses you yourself share, such as those quoted below by omiolo, clearly answer that question - that at the end of the day it is our faith alone that saves us, lest anyone have anything to boast of. At the same time, verse 10 clearly shows that God wants us to walk in good works, not to earn our salvation but because it is God's will, and a person with saving faith desires to glorify and please God and to do good.
intDavid 3 years ago
So please understand when you are doing good works and doing your best to keep all the commandments, the point is not the works themselves but the motivation behind them that God cares about. As Romans 9:30-33 clearly says, the Jews who try to earn their salvation as if it were based on works, failed to attain it. Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith but thought they could earn it through their works.
Good works/living the Gospel is important as it demonstrates that our faith is real.
intDavid 3 years ago
And those jews tried to earn their dalvation by works such as killing a sacrificial ram, not going to save someones life by offering youself in danger. Those works are not the commandments we ought to keep as luther taught aswell. Anyone who keeps the commandments and has faith in christ will not boast of himself, because only christs atonement brought the opportunity for him to repent, but he need's to repent and that need some effort, like in proverbs it's clearly stated.
Jarkko1983 3 years ago
7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Yeah, I have a serious problem when EVANGELICALS "forget" versus 10. I wish they believed the WHOLE.
omiolo 3 years ago
Great scripture
Titus 1:16
"They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate."
omiolo 3 years ago
"Taking Granny to the other side of the road"
LOL
EverASurprise 3 years ago