damn you tony - 'any civilised country' ie two elected houses? oh so civilised like USA or australia? i do love tony but he's so wrong on this point - really! and civilised like that bunch of european idiots currently running the eu? ha i'll take my 'uncivilised' house of lords everytime - it is the height of civilisation as far as i'm concerned! dont forget it was us and our system who gave democracy to the world - i think we have far and away best system - constitutional democracy works keepit
democracy = mob rule - you would really trust the views of the great british public? really? all those tossers who know nothing about anything? what we have is constitutional democracy - and we have the best system in the world i have no doubt! i love tony benn but on this we disagree - all those things he lists at the start, show how the house of lords and therefore our delicate constitutional democracy are undermined by modern politics - i feel so passionately about this issue - cont....
house of lords should be made up of hereditary peers - but they should somehow earn the right - ie have a pool of hereditary peers of which say 25% seve at any one time - so we keep out the twits and they must earn their hereditary right through exempolary behaviour or something, then the rest should be experts, like steven hawkin, david attenborough etc top intelectuals,philosophers - reknowned, recognised people of achievement and public standing - not former politicians, keep them out out out
tony benn = hero, legend, real man, british never say die spirit and attitude, modest, he is my odin/thor - however i do disagree slightly, i do see the house of lords as a kind of safety net... in this age of television and propaganda and people like murdock about trying to buy up all the news and uk becomming more and more like usa everyday i think politics is dangerous, and i don't trust the 'great british public' either... keep poliicians out of house of lords all together in my view and ex!
If we have an elected House of Lords then the Lords would just be a mirror of the commons, destroying the whole point of the House of Lords.
Also, if there is an elected House of Lords, it will contain a large number of people who just became Lords because they couldn't become MPs. The reason the Lords is successful as a safety net against dodgy government legislation is because it contains experienced and well qualified ex MPs.
@Catholicism777 i agree with your sentiment but not the last bit - i believe these 'experienced' ex mps are poisoning the house of lords - you underestimate the lords - they know how politics works lol we all know how politics works and it's the biggest sham going! politics and the house of lords should e kept sacredly separate just as religion and politics - it's the only way - we have the least democratic democracy as we have constitutional one and thank the gods as democracy = mob rule - fact
@Catholicism777 what about if it was elected so its democratic but to be eligible you had to fit a more experienced criteria much the same as a magistrate. so you may be older, have a profession besides politics and longer terms. life peers are dangerous as is them being chosen by the ruling party. we are a democracy and should have a politics which reflects that not a mish mash.
Perhaps the cure to the cronyism Benn talks about is to have a set number in the Lords and give them life appointments. The Crown could have a convention that half the members are non-partisan 'experts' from various fields and walks of life. The other half are nominated by the elected government from the Commons. Then the PM would only be able to fill vacancies brought on by death or retirement and be forced to replace every other vacancy with politically neutral 'elders.'
One has to respect Mr. Benn's intellect and arguments. Worrisome though is no thought as to how an elected Lords would effect the running of the government. Having an elected Lords gives them the same political clout and mandate of the Commons. For the sake of the people having power, shouldn't the Commons always reign supreme and not share authority with the Lords?
@LightYearsFromHere the queen has sovereignity and the commons has to use the parliament act if it wants to bypass the lords and even then her majesty can stop them in theory. whilst blair and thatcher did start to act like they were invincible the point of the lords is to make sure they don't just need there friends to sign it off.
The man is part of the Establishment. Whatever this loony says take it with a pinch of a ton of salt. This madman caused havoc in the Labour Party in the 1980s and that resulted in 18 years of Conservative government. That is the true record of this lunatic with his crackpot dogma socialist rubbish! He talks about democracy but the reality is very different, He wanted the unions to have block votes at Labour conference! So, one clothed capped twat with a hand could represent millons of votes!
Sanctimonious prick--as credible as Al Gore lecturing us on global warming while living in a house with heated indoor swimming pools and an electric-operated gate, while flying around the world in a private jet and while speeding through streets with multiple SUVs.
Whilst the house of twaaats are useless weggie benn must accept that he has done nothing to reform it or improve it or is it illegal for me to say that. Oh no the scum of the num are at my door, dont worry I shall kill the lot of them like Thatch should have done.
If you want to increase your current political knowledge checkout on Youtube CZECH documentary STOLEN KOSOVO for the real truth concerning this issue!!!
Because we can only indulge so many sanctimonious hypocrites "because they are endearing when they talk"--have Prescott live a life as privileged and talk as self-righteously, and see mobs trying to set him on fire.
JP should be set on fire the mans a big fat bell end who fell into the job by bullying dim wits out of the way..
moonshoes1000 1 year ago
damn you tony - 'any civilised country' ie two elected houses? oh so civilised like USA or australia? i do love tony but he's so wrong on this point - really! and civilised like that bunch of european idiots currently running the eu? ha i'll take my 'uncivilised' house of lords everytime - it is the height of civilisation as far as i'm concerned! dont forget it was us and our system who gave democracy to the world - i think we have far and away best system - constitutional democracy works keepit
rugbyboy198127 1 year ago
democracy = mob rule - you would really trust the views of the great british public? really? all those tossers who know nothing about anything? what we have is constitutional democracy - and we have the best system in the world i have no doubt! i love tony benn but on this we disagree - all those things he lists at the start, show how the house of lords and therefore our delicate constitutional democracy are undermined by modern politics - i feel so passionately about this issue - cont....
rugbyboy198127 1 year ago
house of lords should be made up of hereditary peers - but they should somehow earn the right - ie have a pool of hereditary peers of which say 25% seve at any one time - so we keep out the twits and they must earn their hereditary right through exempolary behaviour or something, then the rest should be experts, like steven hawkin, david attenborough etc top intelectuals,philosophers - reknowned, recognised people of achievement and public standing - not former politicians, keep them out out out
rugbyboy198127 1 year ago
tony benn = hero, legend, real man, british never say die spirit and attitude, modest, he is my odin/thor - however i do disagree slightly, i do see the house of lords as a kind of safety net... in this age of television and propaganda and people like murdock about trying to buy up all the news and uk becomming more and more like usa everyday i think politics is dangerous, and i don't trust the 'great british public' either... keep poliicians out of house of lords all together in my view and ex!
rugbyboy198127 1 year ago
If we have an elected House of Lords then the Lords would just be a mirror of the commons, destroying the whole point of the House of Lords.
Also, if there is an elected House of Lords, it will contain a large number of people who just became Lords because they couldn't become MPs. The reason the Lords is successful as a safety net against dodgy government legislation is because it contains experienced and well qualified ex MPs.
Catholicism777 1 year ago
@Catholicism777 i agree with your sentiment but not the last bit - i believe these 'experienced' ex mps are poisoning the house of lords - you underestimate the lords - they know how politics works lol we all know how politics works and it's the biggest sham going! politics and the house of lords should e kept sacredly separate just as religion and politics - it's the only way - we have the least democratic democracy as we have constitutional one and thank the gods as democracy = mob rule - fact
rugbyboy198127 1 year ago
@Catholicism777 what about if it was elected so its democratic but to be eligible you had to fit a more experienced criteria much the same as a magistrate. so you may be older, have a profession besides politics and longer terms. life peers are dangerous as is them being chosen by the ruling party. we are a democracy and should have a politics which reflects that not a mish mash.
petehall1985 9 months ago
Elected Lords... don't we have enough elected politicians? Competitive exam is the way to go.
ElseMush 1 year ago
Perhaps the cure to the cronyism Benn talks about is to have a set number in the Lords and give them life appointments. The Crown could have a convention that half the members are non-partisan 'experts' from various fields and walks of life. The other half are nominated by the elected government from the Commons. Then the PM would only be able to fill vacancies brought on by death or retirement and be forced to replace every other vacancy with politically neutral 'elders.'
LightYearsFromHere 1 year ago
@LightYearsFromHere love it what a great idea
petehall1985 9 months ago
One has to respect Mr. Benn's intellect and arguments. Worrisome though is no thought as to how an elected Lords would effect the running of the government. Having an elected Lords gives them the same political clout and mandate of the Commons. For the sake of the people having power, shouldn't the Commons always reign supreme and not share authority with the Lords?
LightYearsFromHere 1 year ago
@LightYearsFromHere the queen has sovereignity and the commons has to use the parliament act if it wants to bypass the lords and even then her majesty can stop them in theory. whilst blair and thatcher did start to act like they were invincible the point of the lords is to make sure they don't just need there friends to sign it off.
petehall1985 9 months ago
The House of Lords worked fine before idiots like this started tampering with it.
theredraven 1 year ago
better than nowt
YourPresidentSucks 1 year ago
The man is part of the Establishment. Whatever this loony says take it with a pinch of a ton of salt. This madman caused havoc in the Labour Party in the 1980s and that resulted in 18 years of Conservative government. That is the true record of this lunatic with his crackpot dogma socialist rubbish! He talks about democracy but the reality is very different, He wanted the unions to have block votes at Labour conference! So, one clothed capped twat with a hand could represent millons of votes!
BRUTUALTRUTH 1 year ago
Viscount Benn = Idiot, he was a joke in the commons, read on on the commonwealth of Britain Bill
Ohyewildthong 2 years ago
Tony Benn, the ULTIMATE CHAMPAGNE SOCIALIST
Sanctimonious prick--as credible as Al Gore lecturing us on global warming while living in a house with heated indoor swimming pools and an electric-operated gate, while flying around the world in a private jet and while speeding through streets with multiple SUVs.
gagothesith 2 years ago 7
to right.
Ohyewildthong 2 years ago
Cromwell should have put them in the same dock as the King Lol!
sonofcy 2 years ago
Whilst the house of twaaats are useless weggie benn must accept that he has done nothing to reform it or improve it or is it illegal for me to say that. Oh no the scum of the num are at my door, dont worry I shall kill the lot of them like Thatch should have done.
deathtotheunions 3 years ago
Dont reform it. send the bastards home
TomBarry192I 3 years ago 4
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SerbDav 3 years ago
because we are educated by a generation who has believed their own hype.
Look around, we are primitive, falling for language like democracy and revenge, shame on us all.
beforenightfall 4 years ago 4
The Kennedies are pretty close.
ManlySlut 4 years ago 3
What a wonderful man why can't there be more people in politics like him.
Anyared 4 years ago 10
> why can't there be more people in politics
> like [Tony Benn]
Because we can only indulge so many sanctimonious hypocrites "because they are endearing when they talk"--have Prescott live a life as privileged and talk as self-righteously, and see mobs trying to set him on fire.
gagothesith 2 years ago 15