Black Athena Debate part 4

[Floodlezoot]

Greece today is defaulting on its debts... I claim that debt for Africa.

[spites1]

she's proud to be black because she's visiting egypt? uhhh, hate to burst your bubble lady but egypt was WHITE lol

[IntellegentNGR]

haha but iit has been proven that the pyrimids did take alot of income to build and it wasnt a slave only built structure

[LonelyKetchup32]

Armenian and proud of my heritage.

[LonelyKetchup32]

The only way I'll believe that Ancient Egypt and Nubia was white is when their corpse inexplicable rise up from their graves and tranform into a pale skinned, blond haired and blue eyed figure- as opposed to the dark skin,dark eyed and black hair (wig) they've depicted themselves on the wall.LOLOLOLOLOL

[MarkustGreat]

This is possibly the most retarded claim made by the afrocentrics. We have already seen the afrocentric claim of "We beez da eqyptians", crumble, when there have been made reconstructions of mummyes and DNA tests, not to mention the thousands of historical and archeological facts. The last DNA test of tutankhamon, which showed he was 99.6% western european nailed tha last nail to the coffin of afrocentrics.

This "black greece" is even more retarded. Run to the hills racist afrocentrics.

[LonelyKetchup32]

@MarkustGreat This was examined by zahi Hawass alone,a famous actor to impersonate as a "professional" Egyptologist who has denied other researchers to analyse the mummy. The finding of European settlement in Egypt in the 18th Bc is complete fallacy,you would have to be a Eurocentric to believe that.The skeletons and skulls of the Ancient Egyptians clearly reflect that they were a features very similar to thoseofNubians and other people of the Upper Nile and of East Africa.

[MarkustGreat]

@LonelyKetchup32

"examined by zahi Hawass alone,a famous actor to impersonate as a "professional" Egyptologist"

hahaha, i never only laugh when i read something stupid, but this takes the price of the most stupidest thing i have ever read from youtube, so i can just laugh

Run to the hills afrocentrics, pharaohs are now proved to be western european WHITE MEN! Now we can add the eqyptian history as another chapter to the magnificent history of the white man! Run, run, run to the hills!

[blackhaze21]

@MarkustGreat

" pharaohs are now proved to be western european WHITE MEN! Now we can add the eqyptian history as another chapter to the magnificent history of the white man!" Now, that's the stupidest comment I ever read on youtube to make a claim like that shows that you're totally ignorant about Egyptian history. Egyptians were indigenous Africans, who spoke an indigenous African language and they were matriarchal society. All European societies were patriarchal societies.

[LonelyKetchup32]

@MarkustGreat I am not an afrocentric, I dont support the idea of native african in Mesoamerica. I am an Armanian with Hittite, assyrian and idian anscestry. The fact you believe that europians were the indegenous of Egypt just proves your level of understanding African's history. If you seriously believe Europeans can withstand such harsh environments like Egypt then I ask you to do some research on the 2003 heatwave.

[LonelyKetchup32]

@MarkustGreat Compare the heat during 2003 in western europe and the average temperature of egypt in summer.And as for the DNA, the mummy's surface was contaminated by British archiologist by Howard carter who discovered the graves of the mummies. Being a 3,000 year old mummy their tissues are very delicate,a single touch in some area can leave prints of foreign DNA behind in which Haw-ass had examined but Carter was too excited to examine Tut that he forgot to wear glove.

[LonelyKetchup32]

@MarkustGreat Anway Egypt isn't the only significant history in Africa.

Take the Mosyllonian kingdom in ancient somalia in 6000BC (older than egypt and nubia) archaeologist have found Ancient pyramidal structures, tombs, ruined cities and stone walls like the Wargaade wall (4000BC). Puntland (????BC) in somalia and eriteria, the ancestral homeland of ancient Egypt who have traded with the Phoenicians, egyptians and china (in 1400).

[LonelyKetchup32]

@MarkustGreat

lolololol thats pure shit. Ancient Egyptian language belongs to the Afro-Asiatic language phylum, which began in Africa. Also the fact that Ancient Egyptian is older than semitic (semitic is the only Afro-Asiatic language spoken outside of Africa), that makes Ancient Egyptian an African language by default. And its closest neighbor is not Semitic, there is much debate on that but most say Beja or Chadic resembles it closest based on genetic relationships in linguistics

[LonelyKetchup32]

@LonelyKetchup32 Recent studies have that proved Mitochondrial DNA tests on coptic Egyptians found an ancestral lineage to East Africa hence Somalia, Ethiopia, Eritrea and Djibouti in which the ancient Egyptians themselves have said they have descended from Puntland (Eritrea and Somalia).There are many correlation between Egypt, Nubia and the horn of Africa when it came to culture, clothing and constructions of ancient buildings

[LonelyKetchup32]

@MarkustGreat

Nubia-(4000BC)One of the world's most powerful ancient kingdoms; it halted the Roman, Greek, Assyrian, and Persian conquerors- it even ruled over Egypt for a time. It built pyramids, palaces, and other great architectural feats. It developed its own written language.

Ancient Aksum (Ethiopia) 300BC - The most powerful kingdom of their time and ruled over southern arabia for centuries.

And you telling me africans did not contribute in history??Lol dumb british

[LonelyKetchup32]

@MarkustGreat lolololol I bet you if the horn of africaners disappear like the egyptians did too, no doubt would the Eurocentrics claim heritage of the country's historical buildings and accomplishment by pointing out features that are similar to Caucasians, their wavy hair with red and brown hue colours (due to henna) and then in  desperate measures,smear your grubby hands on their cropse to PROVE WHITE MAN HAD BUILT AXUM AND MOSYLLONIA for thousands of years.LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO­LOLOLOLOL

[MarkustGreat]

@LonelyKetchup32

No human civilization would EVER try to claim nigger-african civilization as theirs.

Its the same thing as madonna or lady gaga trying to take credit from vanilla ice.

Or donald trump trying to take credit from mud/shit/stick huts in africa...

You just won't see it happening.

Its funny that niggers try to claim how they were the greeks, mayans, eqyptians, anything BUT poor sub-saharan africans living in mud huts without clothes, killing, raping and eating each others!

[LonelyKetchup32]

@MarkustGreat Stupid Eurocentric, you give yourself credit from someone else's accomplishment. I've seen your forums and you claim a lot of crazy shit, like indigenous of China,America, persia and ethiopia .The ancient Egyptians where never ruled by europeans until 300BC, by then the Ancient egyptians had bred descendants with the assyrians (Copitcs) by 600BC.They were Hamatic which consisted of Berbers (North africa) and the horn of Africa.

[LonelyKetchup32]

@MarkustGreat What you dont realise is that Europe and Arabia are of Semetic race, NOT HAMATIC. Oh yeah another thing! Ta Seti is the oldest civilization in north Africa prior of their descendants,The Egyptians. They were the first to create pyramids, hieroglyphs and sculptures in 5900BC, they are a recent discovery and their DNA have consistently PROVEN to have 100% Afar relation. Where do you think Afars come The from? The Horn of Africa Dummy?LOLYou can flush your euroegypt in the toilet.

[LonelyKetchup32]

@MarkustGreat How can you put down the Horn of Africans by calling them "niggers" when they where the first civilization that had their own writting system and built a legacy to remember when your ancestors in Britain were a buch of illiterate folks that lived in primitive huts with their accomplishment being the Stonehenge . The romans had to come over and showed you how to do things properly.Dumb shit if you've ever seen ancient ethiopian and somalian buildings you would see just how advanced.

[LonelyKetchup32]

@MarkustGreat they were. Your analogy is SHIT and this is coming from a person who speaks English as a third language.I've been to Britian for some time to know that its a place full of chavs, benefit claimers, immigrants and lowlives, your nation has been living of borrowed money until you wont know how to pay it back and that will be your downfall.While my nation is redeeming itself from the Genocide you've let the Fucking Turks join your EU and have allowed them to get away from sanctions.

[LonelyKetchup32]

@MarkustGreat I'll give your country a couple of decades before it turns to rubble and dust by china or N Korea and then we'll see how your country can cope hardship hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Thehorneymidget]

Me from Egypt we hate African negro. They are not us !

[goebels99]

The last guy to speak on this is contradicting himself. First he says there is no evidence of contact with Egypt, then he says there is. Make up your mind you liar!

[jay4457]

I doubt blacks were a strong part of Greece, but any man with a brain would assume that Greece and Egypt were in contact and trade, its a straight shot across the Mediterranean sea...

[Antwansuperstar21]

No! blacks are genetically superior to white people in every way! down to speed strength ans pigment! so cavemen! greeks weren't as strong as the kemetians there fall was biblical that the only way the devilish greeks got over them. But no lie last forever yes those white people stole kemetian truth and claimed it as theres what else is new! we know white people have been lieing for years they are the devil and there time is just about up shalom.

[BloodyAres]

Blacks are inferior genetically to whites, the only thing black people are better than whites is in running because of black having too much testosterone. Whites have a higher IQ rate than blacks, Blacks are the race with the lowest IQ on the Earth. Whites= 100 IQ score, Blacks =80 IQ. Blacks have a better ammunition system than blacks because of less testosterone, a blacks are much more vulnerable to cancer and other diseases than whites. Greeks were the best warriors(sparta) so fuck off ape...

[Antwansuperstar21]

Your a dam lie! you bastards can't even stay in the sun with out pealing you aren't genetically superior to blacks at all its blacks who are to you! your the ones with the highest level of skin cancer etc. black down fall was biblical but you time is about up no white person to day is fater or stronger than a black man. Pleace don't start with the IQ testing! there is proof that white people lie no surprise even in that your devils.

[BloodyAres]

only skin cancer for what you say. when a white woman is found found to have a cancer at her genital organs, she has a lot more chances to be saved. A black woman when she is found of cancer she is doomed. I speak of other types of cancers. Whites outlive blacks. blacks are fatter because they are closer to apes. An elephant is fatter than a human, is it superior? as for strengh, look at Swerzinegger, Van Disel, Silvester stalone etc...

[Antwansuperstar21]

You sound dumb as hell your people have been trying to kill so called black forever lol.. yet they always come back in huge numbers. Who is trying to kill you now? no one yet your population is dieing your people have never been fair to black and thats why you think the way you do with whitewashed lies. Genetically blacks are superior! in every way! with pigment that protects us from the sun speed & strength thats why we dominate sports and everything else if it wast for you devils lieing.

[BloodyAres]

Dominated sports? wow very interesting, yeah we use you as slaves and intertaining objects hahahahahaha!!!!!! too bad all african countries are thirld world...

[Antwansuperstar21]

Africa wasn't in such bad shape until you demonic people came about dont start lol.. black are genetially better anyway.

[BloodyAres]

how can soeone be geneticaly superior when they have a lower intelligence. btw, Elephants and lions are stronger than humans, yet inferior they are....... well of course in africa they were climbing trees before us. We have a better morphology with a shapely skeleton baby, we rule in most sports yet, sorry^^

[Antwansuperstar21]

What the hell are you retarded? black people don't have a lower intelligencs thats a lie it untruth and complete blasphemy. lions and elephant aren't human you idiot. your just a inbred albino lunatic streotypical mutant.

[BloodyAres]

you desperately try to get over something that is true. well blacks aren't human either..... they are subhuman. well think with logic, if we were lying about IQ, why would we admit Asian Intelligence?

[Antwansuperstar21]

Because asians didn't create everything you devils claim and in order to keep you false untrue lie going you degrade the people who its due too and did create it. But you have been found out! and the time of the heathens is just about up shalom.

[BloodyAres]

wait wait. What did blacks create? Democracy? no it was white. Philosophy? neither, white too. Martial arts? nope Asian. Gunpowder? nope asian too...........

[Antwansuperstar21]

Your a indenial idiot lol.. belive your lies you are fulfilling prophecy there coming out and your time is just about up shalom.

[BloodyAres]

Stop saying shalom like if you were a Jew, Jews see blacks as inferiors. they all vote McCain lol!

[Antwansuperstar21]

Bicth you ignorant as hell! i am a child of the one true living yahew elohim exiled for disobedience duet 281 soon to be over! not a fake ashkenazi edomite khazarian jew thay are fake.

[BloodyAres]

oh! this is new. btw Ashkenazis have 112 IQ, look at Einstein and other, Good Caucasians and superior to Blacks, of course....

[Antwansuperstar21]

Bye the way ashkenazi jews are the devil aswell! they are the one doing all this bull. Once again blacks are made to look a certian way to cover your lies and make it seem like you better everyone knows this! please don't keep saying that its weak blacks with the same level of education are smarter if not better than any edomite white trash shalom. . aka. did i mention ashkenazi jews are fake! they aren't yahwes chosen people. shalom.

[BloodyAres]

Good you just lost!!! You pwned yourself! We whites consider Ashkenazis to be ennemies of our race even if they are Caucasoids too. Hitler killed 6 million Ashkenazis remember?

Well no black uses Israelite as their language, real jews (ashkenazis) still do.

No blacks are not smart at all, this is why they were colonised. And no blacks are not good students, even latinos are better than blacks, you could say that education is unfair for latinos too, but they are better students than blacks.

[Antwansuperstar21]

The holocaust was a plot to get them into isreal it wasn't divine it was demonic also fulfilling scripture. Your just a brainwashed white washed idot asskenazi jews are fake and aren't real hebrews lol..they are khazarians from khazaria! once again white do nothing but steal and lie your the devil and you are't better than blacks your weaker shalom.

[BloodyAres]

we are not Jews. hitler hated jews man really lol you make a fool of yourself now. Even NeoNazis all hate Jews to death loooooooooooool....

weaker? nope we can kick your ass anytime anywhere, remember Spartans and Crusaders, the best warriors. you blacks are weak because you have no brains to use your raw power lol! no technique....

[Antwansuperstar21]

One again what do they teach at your church ? White aren't stronger than blacks and couldn't kick there ass now! your edomite devils who were given the world but that time is just about up? hammite africans and so called black people aren't the same and didn't sell there own people. They are reeping what they did to isreal as you will and you will pay for what you have done belive me shalom.

[BloodyAres]

Can I ask you a simple question? If Blacks are so much stronger, why did whites conquer and brought them as slaves? oh sorry i should use the word, colonised and not conquered, most of Niggers didn't even resist and bowed before whites hahahahaha loooooooooooooool no honour you nigger cowards

[Antwansuperstar21]

Well so called black people who you call niggers in america are isrealites cursed for the disobedience of there forefathers soon to be over lol.. Duet 281 gen15:13-21 read up bicth and african hammites are reeping what they did to us. White people even to day aren't stronger than black people get a life and read up on it shalom.

[BloodyAres]

I told you i am an Agnostic-Atheist. the Bible has no facts to me, sorry.....

[Antwansuperstar21]

Well your in for a big suprise lol..shalom.

[BloodyAres]

I am afraid your in a for a big disapointment....

14/88

[Antwansuperstar21]

I don't think so lol..

[Antwansuperstar21]

There is no surpise that you are a brainwashed neonazi what else is new? I know what 1488 means your moron.

[BloodyAres]

Nope, I do it to ennerve you hahahahahahaha!!!! I love anoying Niggers. btw, NeoNazis are much less brainwashed than Afrocentrists I can say....

14 words means :"Because the beauty of the white Aryan woman must not perish from the earth"

[Antwansuperstar21]

Sad genetic mistake i will never give you power to annoy me! when i can simply block your ignorant ass.

[BloodyAres]

I know you can, everyone who feels pwned has the right to block others, this is why blocking exists....

[Antwansuperstar21]

OK! lol..

[Antwansuperstar21]

White people die from all kind of sickeness that black people would have never had like smallpoxs that was a european sickness that your stank ass people brought to america when they stole it from native people.

[BloodyAres]

Indians were not Blacks, Blacks bought AIDS, the worst sickness the world has ever seen.....

[Antwansuperstar21]

More untruth that you don't know let me send you some proof of that ignorant fuck.

[TheSonsOfLight]

@BloodyAres : Vin Disel is not white. He is mixed. Oh & Sub Saharan Civilization? Zimbabwe, Ghana, Igbo, Yuroba Land, Akkan, Zulu, Ancient Tanzania..there's more too dumb ass.

[BloodyAres]

@TheSonsOfLight I don't see anything civilized in those countries.... As for mixing, Obama too is mixed, but you don't recognize it dumb ass....

[TheSonsOfLight]

@BloodyAres : Well you dont see what you arent looking for. & I was talking about Ancient Civilizations so why would you look now for that? & yeah Obama is mixed. What makes you think I don't recognize that? Was we even talking about Obama or are you stereotyping me because I'm Black I must praise Obama? I could care less about his yellow ass really. He's like all the other lying Presidents we've had.

[BloodyAres]

part 2 of your pwnage

Whites have a better ammunition system*

well yeah blacks are cowrds, this is what it is written in ancient Greek books.

[Antwansuperstar21]

Bicth bye! everything you cavemen trash claim is stolen truth get out of here.

[BloodyAres]

Hey guys I am Greek and we don't have anything to do with black people. A fucking research said Greeks had subsaharan origins but one year later it was proved wrong.

And by the way, we Greeks are white proud white there are a lot of blonde Greeks and even Achilles and Alexander the Great were blond and pale skinned so please fuck off....

[Antwansuperstar21]

No one wants anything to do with inbred albino faggoted greeks lol.. there were black people all over the world before your people even got there. They stole there land and name and called it thers just like they do everything else! alexander was the king of macedonia not greece so you piss off.

[Antwansuperstar21]

Tell me has the so called blacks ever been treated fairly in america? hell no everything blacks have done has been mostly for themselves out of jealousy you won't belive what your people have done. Black people with the same education are equal if not better than any white albino trash all you devils do is steal. Asians are the hight IQ! testing people because thats in there culture they have collage educations before they leave high school don't play that shit with me your lies don't work.

[BloodyAres]

No, with fair education you are still inferior, tell me the name of a black philosoph. yeah Asians have the highest IQ, not niggers hahahahaha. Still whites prevailed.....

Tell me one sub saharan civilisation idiot.

SIEG HEIL!!!!!!!

HEIL HITLER!!!!!!!!

[SunStance]

NO offense to those good and honest people of European decent. But watching this video; listening to these guys in thier denial of the truth and the extent to which they have gone and still go to hide it, I am overcome with a sense of pity for the psychological anguish that they must feel over the fact that thier great "legacy" is traced back to the ones they've refered to as inferior. This is the falacy of pride and over ambition; The pride before the fall in example.

[tigerone1970]

The evidence for African (Egyptian) colonies in Greece is: 1) Herodotus, 2) Miniature pyramids, 3) Why do so many Greek (and Turkish, etc.) girls have frizzy hair, 4) Thalassemia, which is a variation of sickle cell which includes the Benin (West Africa) sickle cell gene.

I would say the Greeks were correct, in that there was contact somewhere in the 15th Century BC. (See Herodotus.)

[txus4sho]

and the guy in the video clearly says presents not COLONIEs! Which he then later contradicts himself.

[Artemistech]

Colonies is one thing.Coming in contanct with another nation and trading is another.Let me repeat There is no NO archeological evidence of any kind of African colonies on European Ground.Also there is not any mention of any Egyptian colonies in EGYPTIAN texts.

[txus4sho]

exactly there arent any egyptian colonies anywhere so why would there me one in europe! The egyptians werent a colonial people.

[txus4sho]

and CONTACT is my only arguement! He first denies it then makes the claim of possible contact in the same breath!

[txus4sho]

And people miss the whole point and argue needlessly moot points on this subject . The fact is the creation of architecture on that scale had to come from somewhere . People dont just go from huts and villages to building the huge structures we find in greece. They had to learn the technigue from some where. ( If i'm in America and i wanna learn to build a car then i gotta go to DETRIOT! Plain and simple. If they wanted to build these huge structure they'd HAVE TO bring in specialist !

[blackhaze21]

Great post

[Artemistech]

Any chance they developed those tecnhiques themselves?I mean if one person is able to invent one building technique why not another?

[txus4sho]

its nice to dream my friend but you see in reality it doesnt work like that! Technology developes gradually!! You invent the wheel > then you invent gears and such> then you invent the automobile! You dont just wake up one day with some sort of brailiance ane say hey i'll build a car without first understanding the wheels and gears first. Your comment only makes my point stronger.

[Artemistech]

But we do observe the phonomenon of parallel discoveries.There are cases where scientic disvcoveries were made at the same time by people that havent gotten into contact with each other.

[txus4sho]

yes this is true but doesnt apply since we KNOW Greece and Egypt have had contact with eachother as far back as history goes. The main thing that is shared if nothing else between advance culture when they come into contact with one another is technology.( religion is the other)

[Artemistech]

So what?Did you see the Ancient Greeks building pyramids?Come on.

[txus4sho]

i see you cant name any examples just as i thought! And pyramids arent the only large structures in egypt. Point is the technology used to build large structures and the like had to be developed elsewhere and had to be imported like the argument of black athena says!

[Artemistech]

The PARTHENON

there...

Man you dont need that big of a technology to built a pyramid.Light up.Egyptians had a large workforce thats all that pooled and put all those big blocks one a top another.

[txus4sho]

Not only do you need a large workforce you also need the technology and the know how! Your not gonna tell me you know exactly how the pyramids were built when experts still arent sure how it was done today ! The process still cant be recreated. You arent telling me that are you?

[Artemistech]

Yes it is recreated.I have watched documentaries were archeologists showed how large blocks of stone could be moved and put one atop of another and how oveliscs were erected.

[txus4sho]

If you had actually watched those documentaries you would have seen that ALL those attempts fail. They always have to bring some form of modetn technology to make it possible toeven move the stones. Furthermore they have NEVER been able to recreate a structure.(pyramid) .If so you show me where that structure is at.

[Artemistech]

I wonder what kind of documentaries have you been watching...Because in those I have watched they were pretty succesfull,even though the ones that were performing the experements were archeologists and not civil engineers.

Dont you think that recreating a hole structure would be too expensive?They are archeologists not Pharaoh's with lots of money and slaves.

[txus4sho]

all of the documentaries i have seen have ended in failure. They at some piont end up resorting to using modern technology. And at least building a good portion or a scale model would be sufficient to prove that it is possible my which ever method implied .Neither of which have been done.

[txus4sho]

Futhermore the argument is not how its done! Once again you prove my point. Which ever method use was first developed in Egypt and taken elsewhere by specialsts .

[Artemistech]

Oh please then tell me

a)which Egyptian techniques were used in Parthenon's building

b)We dont see any Egyptian type of pyramids in Greece or Europe in General.Why is that?

[txus4sho]

I like how at the end the guys says"the is no evidence at all" then in his next sentence he say " there is proof of contact with western medditerreanian,COULD BE EGYPT" so which is it old man yes or no LMAO!

[Artemistech]

He says there is no evidence of colonies,contact through trade is a different matter.

[txus4sho]

Very true a rare supposed "phenomenon" at at best! Its usually applied when europeans find out that cultures elsewhere were centries ahead of the in discovering various phenomenon. Not actual inventions themselves . Matter fact i'd challenge you to list 3 inventions that were invented in 2 places AT THE SAME TIME!

[123bigr]

Thanks for posting this series. This should be seen by all these debaters about racial issues. I like how it has both points of view.WOW. I wish there was more

[Sir1nfamous]

To bad there is no archeological evidence of either Egyptians or Phoenician colonization! That's not saying the Greeks didn't learn some things from them though.

Herodotus wrote that 1000 years after this allegedly happened. DO you honestly believe his nonsense when there is no proof of colonization? The Egyptians never went further North than the Levant, they were not a colonizing people. And they were defeated by the Hittittes so they could never go further.

[Artemistech]

Also there is no mention in the Egyptian texts about any Egyptian colonies.Bernal is making wild speculations.

[Sir1nfamous]

Uhh stupid Black American lady of West African descent at the end. The Greeks ARE the fathers of Western Civilization!

Did the Egyptians develop democracy? philosophy? the Olympic Games?historiography? political science? drama?

[Azzaiel]

the greeks themselves are the ones who state that. go read a book

[Steadno]

taking bits and pieces of words and connecting them is how euros did vadec and english lol

[triumphelf]

All The Emperor's of China were all Black..the Chinese Today were all Invader's...Black Power!!

[coincui]

@triumphelf bullshits !!