I just went all in with pocket aces and got called by two players who had k rags. Both of them ended up with kings up. Stuff like this happens all the time. NEVER play online poker for money! I cannot imagine why, but it's not a true shuffle. All in heads up situations most always go in favor of the chip leader.
@Frotteballe yea? how about when I have pocket Ks and go all in, and some maniac comes in all in with me with J8 non suited..... he ends up getting triple 8s.....
or how about when i said f*** it, and went all in with 5Q suited, and maniacs go in with 56 non suited...... he ends up beating me with a pair of 6s on the river.....
lack of empirical data should be the first clue as to the strength of the argument. First because with a large enough sample size (20,000 hands or more) one not need make any argument as the numbers will speak for themselves. But more importantly, it’s the fact that those making accusations don’t even collect hand history data which exposes a fatal flaw in their argument because nearly every serious online poker player uses a software package like PokerTracker to analyze their play.
Deffinately not rigged, but I do get so upset when I think I'm good enough to beat the people at the micro level, but the only thing that happens for me is that over time I lose, and I never win over long period of time. Theres absolutely nowhere for me to go but down. Does this mean that I'm not good enough to beat people at micro level? As difficult as it is for me to admit, I'm afraid I am worse than all those donks. I never would've thought poker was this difficult, it's a devestating game
@Zee96969696 Defniitely not rigged? Really? The news today is that FullTilt poker really WAS rigged. Do a search on Google for Manhattan attorney Preet Bharara Full Tilt Ponzi Scheme and see for yourself.
@Eldomina22 r u 3 years old or something? Full Tilt were using people's money and then they couldn't return the money to the people, they didn't alter the way the cards came out for anyone, you are one stupid son of a bitch, I donno how people can get this stupid
@Zee96969696 Well tell that to the U.S. attorneys - who I'm fairly sure aren't "stupid" - who are now saying it was rigged.
There were morons like you screaming "Of course it's not rigged" when the "Potripper" scandal happened. You do know who Potripper was, right? No? He was the superuser on Absolute poker who played and won a fortune on there - because he worked for the company and he could see his opponents hole cards.
See you moron, the idiot here isn't me - it's you.
Look at the servers where the casino directs you when you play games. You will learn that there is a winning server for the beginners and a fail server. They run the same games, but the software is rigged differently.
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Of course its rigged. In the few months i played on full tilt, literally 80% of the time i went all in before the flop with AA. someone else had pocket kings and flopped another. I was actually scared to raise with AA. I changed poker sites, and now my avarage skill brings the returns i expect.
ofc its rigged, its a program, it cannot be not rigged, i once play so many hands i could recognize flop patterns, i could know when to fold AA and when to call with 45 and always win, people would cry that its rigged, and they will be 50% right, its just a program, it work on patterns, thats all, recognize the patterns and win !
Bye Bye Full Tilt Poker. To all the fools that say bad beats on here is just variance? I maybe a stupid donkey that's a conspiracy theorist losing with AA all in preflop in tournmanets, and losing with quads weekly... but you defenders are the real donkeys in life.
Wtf? Lately i seem to be runnning into quads on Full Tilt almost on a daily basis. What the F@#k, is this due to a 'softwarematic alternation' or am i just too ignorant to see this sh!t was always going on...
Full tilt IS rigged...no-one who has actually played on there for an amount of time would think any different...especially in the mtt's where the time clock makes for miracle runner runner outs for the big stacks..they should investigate every so called 'pro' associated with it, and if they've been skimming a living of ordinary players.......let 'em see if theres a game in 'C Wing' !!!!
thinking it's rigged is a great recipe for ensuring failure. it's self-fulfilling prophecy. the sooner you get this silly notion out of your head, the sooner you'll be able to start taking a critical look at your own play. hopefully you've noticed that people play quite a bit differently online as opposed to live--if you don't make the correct adjustments, you're gonna lose money at both.
you can't prove a site's cheating cuz yeah it's possible to get pocket aces cracked 10 outa 10 times just like it is getting the royal flush back to back hand. the odds are against u but it's POSSIBLE which any TRUE poker player knows is bullshit. that said don't be a sucker and play online cash unless you REALLY want to gamble. play live at a casino where you know for sure it's regulated and not controlled by a fucking program.
the chosens ones back up the the so called legitimacy of the site. but the majority of players would be the suckers that dump their money into the accounts of the site owners. there's rare instances when i'm actually playing against live people in a legit game online but most of the time they'll get you into a room filled with site bots to take ur cash cleaning u out. it's best to play at a casino cuz online u'll be up against site bots and players w/programs.
all online poker sites are rigged. i've played live poker cash games for over 10 yrs and 2 yrs ago i played on a couple of sites and here's my thought on it. there were times when i actually played legit games and games where i knew i was up against site bots and no matter how i played i could't beat these bots faking to be players. the site has control over everything because it's simply THEIR PROGRAM UNDER THEIR CONTROL. i believe there are a few legit winners online who are the chosen ones
no matter rigged or not online poker just fucking sux the bad beats are happening like 70% of the time . its just sad because i love poker but i will stop playing it on sites like full tilt poker where some idiots call you with hands like 3 8 and than hit tripps .. i think i get myself into other online games again where real skill is asked not foolishness and luck
I used to think the same thing as well but with enough playing you realize its just the randomness of the cards. Theres plenty of bad beats and suckouts you can see in live poker on youtube. Just a lot less hands your gonna see than what you do with multiple tables in a day.....also worse players online that call and push with crappy cards and get lucky.
Hi Guys. For some reasons Youtube's annotation tool isn't working. The news today :
"Four websites of the largest companies: PokerStars, Full Tilt Poker, Absolute Poker and UB have been shut down and seized by the F.B.I on charges of bank fraud, money laundering and illegal gambling offenses. Charges against them are up to $3billion."
God damnit. I fucking hate when people accuse poker sites of being rigged.
WHY WOULD THEY RISK EVERYTHING FOR A BIT HIGHER RAKE!?
I read an awesome post explaining why all the theories were bullshit.
Why would they risk. Please, tell me. There are a LOT more effective LEGAL ways to earn more. Its amazing how nobody ever actually has proof. It always starts with "Im a pro and i should be winning", except everyone has bad streaks.
Actually yeah it is rigged. any idiot that thinks otherwise when these honest people who own these websites were just busted for 3 billion dollar fraud, oughta be standing next to one of the scumbags when someone shoots em down like the dogs they are. yes I AM advocating that someone should shoot one of these people/players who promote this rigged sht. they are scum. their families to. come arrest me if you don't like it.
NEWS PEOPLE!! FULL TILT POKER, POKERSTARS, AND ULTIMATE BET HAVE ALL BEEN SEIZED BY THE FBI!!!! IF YOU DONT BELIEVE ME, TRY GOING TO THERE WEBSITES!! THIS IS THE PROOF THAT ITS RIGGED!!
poker sites are all the same! I usually play at the casino, I can assure you it has nothing to do with online poker is the thief of the money cannibals. their algorithms are trafficked, they push you to action! so AA loses cons 53: A 2 10 8 4 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in Riverstar! everything is done for you at checkout. jokerstars, fullshitpoker mother fuck
Well I don't know if it is rigged, but this point at least make sense. Because, if it is rigged to make more action, like AA vs KK so many times (an you know, guys... on FTP, pocket pairs are never alone!), they make more rake this way, because anywhere you play, even live, AA vs KK and similar situations are gonna make HUGE pots a lot of times.
So... bigger pots means more rake to the site. This is a fact. So... Make your own conclusions...
Well I don't know if it is rigged, but this point at least make sense. Because, if it is rigged to make more action, like AA vs KK so many times (an you know, guys... on FTP, pocket pairs are never alone!), they make more rake this way, because anywhere you play, even live, AA vs KK and similar situations are gonna make HUGE pots a lot of times.
So... bigger pots means more rake to the site. This is a fact. So... Make your own conclusions...
Listen all I know is that in live poker, ten consecutive hand absolutely can't win by a person holding low connectors for a str8 when your holding ak. Quit playing on the sight for just 1 wk. Don't even sign in. Then play and tell me how much better your cards hit!! A Lot!! I wnt some honest responses please. It will guarantee that it is not because your fresh and haven't played in a while. Just try it and see if im not right...
For me its like If i win one day then i know that the next day im gonna loose 100% sure with the same cards and same combinations .For people who think that online poker bad beats depend on the number of hands u play: compare for example 100 live all ins vs 100 online all ins, with exact same cards and exact same situations and ull see
I know for a fact its rigged or at least that the system is fishy...I saw 6....yes 6 straight flushes in an hour and half playing pot limit omaha on full tilt...on the same table...hell I had 2 of them LOL. I have played uncounatble times with friends for hours upon hours probably days upon days in equal time and only seen 1 straight flush. Its comical honestly...after seeing this I knew full tilt was a joke. I wish I had saved the hand history.
Why do people who lose money at poker assume it's fixed? Can't you just admit you suck at it? The beats happen to everyone, it's your lack of skill at all other aspects that leave you in the red. Look up winning players, they win all the time, consistantly. The usual reason people lose money is they totally blow at the game. The usual reason they THINK they lose is "it's rigged". The delusion is so obvious.
attention. if your a true poker player you will save your money and play only live games. i've played both live/online poker for yr's now and i know which one is legit. these sites are not rigged as in having less or more cards in the deck, they are rigged in something i call the ''site setup''. they will put players names in the database and the system will not allow those players to EVER win big. some ppl will win and cash out, but most will sit their scratching their heads at the site setup.
Haha, you obviously don't know what you are even talking about. Most of the people who claim it to be 'rigged' are just amateur fools who can't grasp that it is in fact their playing and skill that is taking all their money. Poker is a game of strategy, not something you can just bullshit and say "hope i make some money!" Personally, I make around 300$ a day playing on Full Tilt, if it's rigged, it's definitely rigged the right way!!!
no way you clear 300 everyday...i do not believe its rigged, but i have lost quite a bit of money. I have also won at times good amounts playing..but i dont care how good you are 300 everyday just doesnt happen
People who are against the "rigged" theory always come up the argument that you have to prove it's "rigged", but there is no way to prove this theory, because the ONLY people who have access to the system Full Tilt uses are Full Tilt...it's clearly "rigged", they let you win, then you will lose lose lose, it's no suprise that videos are popping up all over the place claiming it is rigged, because it happens to so many...they probably have a system that identifies what type of player you are
@MrTalkingSense Lol, it's against random people. Unless they are tossing in random computer opponents to take everyone's money, it's far from rigged. Just because people are stupid and go all-in for stupid hands, means nothing. Do you know how much money Full Tilt makes per day JUST on tournaments? They have no need to 'rig' their game to steal your 10 dollars.
@Zem0nkey Well let's get one thing straight, you are arguing that Full Tilt is infact not "rigged", but surely this is something you personally wouldn't know, as this is something you are clearly not privy to, in that you don't know about the systems that Full Tilt use, surely ONLY Full Tilt would know how their system works?
Lets get one thing straight, if someone loses they will inevitably come back and deposit again, which gives a clear motive for "rigging" the system.
@MrTalkingSense The same people who say Full Tilt is rigged are the same people who threw their Nes.. Snes... N64.. XBOX even... Controllers at their t.v.s saying "-cries- This game is cheating!!!!!" Anyone who can't take a lose ALWAYS finds something other than themselves for making a stupid call. Enough said.
BTW, what you call a 'clear motive' for rigging is just... mentally challenged? If they 'rigged' Full Tilt, that = fraud, extortion, money laundering, not to mention
@MrTalkingSense COUNTLESS other laws that would be broken.Yeah,they are going to risk going to jail for 50 years to steal someones 50 bucks.Don't be an idiot.They rake anywhere between 30 AND EVEN UP TO 60%! of tournament entry fees (which is why tournaments can be afforded to be held, don't whine "SEE!" because they give you great odds.) They could never accept another deposit and they'd still be raking in what is left of their customers money as people continue to play.
What do you think will happen if they do not rig the game for parity and action flops so that more ppl keep playing. If the room wasn't rigged, it would have gone empty a long time ago. Instead of allowing this they just rig it for the weakest players, who think for a moment they are good and keep playing.
@Zem0nkey Listen until you can prove otherwise then you are just guessing, I repeat you are not privy to any of the systems Full Tilt use, so in reality you are basically guessing, you are assuming that they don't "rig" it, but the fact remains, the only people who would know if it's "rigged" would be Full Tilt, not some internet monkey like yourself...to say they have no reason to "rig" the system is a poor argument, they can (and do) make tenfold of what they would make otherwise
Of course it's rigged, they "let" you win initially (because that is the bait), so therefore the user will forever be chasing that "easy" win in the future...Full Tilt is a business, and are in the business of making money, it's NOT in their interests for people to win, so the system decides who will win each game, based on that persons individual stats
@burrirlo lol, you're clueless, but honestley it's people like you, that make poker profitable. You assume you never make mistakes, and then when you see your aces get beat a couple times you have too blame somthing, soo why not blame a "rig" lol?
All you gotta do, is what I posted, and what people seemed too agree with, too prove it's "fixed" just do what I said.. duh
Hmm.. I wonder why no one has done this, and showed people..? OOO because it's always EVEN!
Fulltilt and pokerstars use algorithms to make more premium hands dealt at the beginning of hand. This allows more players to play bet and increase the rake. Thus the reason you 3 and 4 pocket pairs in the same hand AK and AQ are paired up continually 4 card flushes and 4 card straights on the board. These sites want people to have good hands so they will stay and play increasing the rake. Live poker you see these things rarely. They cheat due to greed period.
I dont think it is rigged. however, has anybody else noticed that after you make a deposit or dont play for a while, you seem to get a good run of the cards?
Have exactly the same exp. with those winning/loosing streaks. Seems strange, when youre loosing its no point playing any hands at all. If its not programmed to do that, it could possible be linked to the state of mind (thinking positive or negative)? At least I have seen what often happens when I think in a negative way even before the cards are put on the table, during these periods its common to loose something like 9 out of 10 preflop allins despite always massive advantage like KK vs 77.
I have holdem manager.. and i have realized fulltilt adjust to your playing style..i admit i use to donk off chips with one pair ect...i thought maybe its my bad play..i have greatly adjust my game play showing down monster hands only to get rivered.. my holdem manager reads over 50,000 hands i have won with a straight two card nuts only 33.3% of the time..and when i look back how the hand was played out on numerous occasions i got rivered for a flush or a full house.. and alwaaaays the river!!!
its true wot ur saying, but end of the day u do get win streaks and lose streaks, the thing about on line poker is simple, stick to principles, play high cards, play higher stake tourneys as ppl play the cards and dont go all in like fish in the lower tourneys. it could be rigged but its agenst the law to fix cards etc. shit happens wen u lose just deal with it and move on to the next tourney, and live within your means
I play in the grosvenor casino every weekend. I walk away with profit nearly every time maybe 8 out of 10 times i go. This isn't down to skill ( reading ppl, spotting tells, bluffing when I know an opponents weak etc..) coz I can't do that. It's the cards. I been going for around 18 months now and it's been good I play tight and wait for a v strong starting hand or if I hit the flop nicely. I used the same method online and it's just bullshit It's rigged. The flop turn and rivers just rigged up
Those people who complain that online poker is rigged because they suffer too many bad beats are most of the time (if not always) pathetic losers who cannot accept the fact that poker is first and foremost a gambling game. Keep on crying how your AA got cracked by 2-7 or how you lost to your set to a backdoor flush. You are just looking for excuses to explain your poor results. Online Poker is NOT RIGGED, Just get over it bunch of worthless DONKEYS
You are being extremely paranoid. If the site was rigged and someone could prowe it, that would crush and bestroy their business. And open up for massive lawsuits.
As long as you play at the wery low stakes tables you will run into more bizarre situations, because there are more idiots present.
I don't know about this...many hands I play never make it past preflop and if they do they almost never make it past the flop...if your getting drawn out on with Top Pair maybe try raising your initial raise to pot sized so the pot odds dont warrant a drawing hand to call. You can't always beat the cards but you can always beat the other player unless he flops the nuts.
@MafiaWars23 You can also filter it too after the flop, vs a specific situation, no matter what the odds are, they will matchup ( give or take a % or 2 ) ( but the more hands u have, the more it will be dead even )
If you or anyone is skeptical of a rigg, then just do that, it's that simple!!!
Not too mention, what does giving a certian player more bad beats, achomplish? How would they benefit from that? They make 100k's a day, yet they want to purposefully bad beat you in a $2 game becasue?
@mmnmnmmmnmmn it might be rigged to inspire action and increase the rake...but If you read my earlier comment to this you will see my full position on it :)
Heh, It's amusing how people just make up percentages, and think they lose way more often then they should.
If anyone wants to see if its legit or "rigged" lol, Then just do this:
Play a substantial number of hands, use your HEM, or w/e hand tracking software you have, Filter the hands too w/e matchup you want (IE.. AA vs "XX" all in preflop) and see if the %'s matchup, because they will be nearly what they should be.. ALWAYS!!! lol. The more hands you have, the more it evens out.
It once went the other way. I had been trying to win a point satelite all day and eventually I made the final 3 and one of them just folded every hand. THen it was 1 on 1 and almost every hand I got was AA, full house, trips and quads - this is also not possible - it makes no sense.
I quit full tilt when it kept being rediculous and went to pokerstars - I have not had the same problem there.
It has been absolutely fine but I don't like playing there because the software is ugly and people use pictures of babies and weird stuff which I don't like.
@mmnmnmmmnmmn to quote you: 1. They have a gaming license and would not risk it. it just isn't worth it.
Maybe they should have hired you to be their Risk management consultant. Apparently, "They" are all being indicted for no gaming license. Don't worry dude, you'll smarten up one day : /
@mmnmnmmmnmmn I use Poker Office, After over 400k hands AA was the hand I lost the most money with. AA just won 27% and the most winning hand was 99s with 87% Hands Winnings in % 1. 99 - 87% 2. 77 - 72% 3. JT - 62% 4. KK - 61% 5. JJ - 59% 6. KQ - 54% 7. AK - 54% 8. 55 - 51% 9. QQ - 49% 10. TT - 47% 11. AQ - 43% 12. KJ - 39% 13. 55 - 38% ... 34. AA - 27% Believe it or not! I know. something is wrong with online poker or the whole strategy-thing is a lie!
@Struggler10 Thank you! Finally someone puts in some work to prove what I've KNOWN now for 2 years, yet people still think I'm crazy, when in fact they're so set in their smug, ass-kissing, sub-par poker-playing ways that they are blind.
Those stats are entirely typical for a fish who has failed to learn that slowplaying big pairs for stacks means getting action from hands that have you crushed: 2pair, sets, 13+ out combo draws. Doyle Brunson wrote decades ago that big pairs usually win a small hand or lose a big one. Its amazing how many people still don't get it.
@mmnmnmmmnmmn its all good you saying that but it only tracks your cards and not the action rigging, full tilt is the master software to tilt players, i saw pocket aces over 30 times in 2 hours and if you play any good hands you will lose them 95% of the time. if you get jj you will play it and i guarantee someone has aces. plus wheres the customer service. its non existant for such a big company and they know how many complaints they would get. theifs
@MrLunafied that is true tho I did have a stretch of hands the other night 4/4 premium hands in a row...Each hand ended up all in. I had a couple hands completely dominated ie QQ vs Q9 and I got rivered 3/4 times ...
...board comes t 9 3 7 9 and he flops trips. It was annoying. I did river the first all in hand so that was nice...I folded pocket Tens tho before I lost all the money I made off the drunks on New Years
I don't think the cards you get dealt are fixed. I fink the board is rigged for action a lot of the time. The amount of times I've seen bullshit like 66 vs 99 vs JJ with a flop j96 online is unreal. Also king high flush vs ace high flush happens a ridiculas amount of times. And quads 3 hands in a row is complete horse shit. Bad beats obviously happen in the real world and ino u play a lot more hands online but there's something that's not right on some of these sites I blame world hunger
was it a risk for Madoff to cheat? ENRON?> People made millions off ENRON cheating and they didnt goto jail. Russ hamilton Cheated on poker online and he didnt goto jail.
i won 6k my first year and now i never win. my last 30 hands on full tilt i flopped hi pair and lost to rivered str8s. ( iplay lowest level limit now just to document the craziness.) u can play kenny tran on the lowest level often. its obviously rigged even on his table with all the flushes and full houses flying around.
@schafer18 Hey Wise guy Full-tilt m Absolute , poker stars executives just indicted for FRAUD so apologize for your silly list then go to CNN web site read article .
'Risk Gaming license " Why do you think they are off shore and besides Fulltilt programmer said they haven't been audited for years , they can rig software ANYWAY they want ..
Don't worry Einstein , they'll cheat banks , cheat tax laws , cheat wire laws, cheat governments but they no way , no way cheat some guy on the internet , See how nonsensical you sound .
Absolute and UB already CHEAT players out of MILLIONS and guess what , still have their license and nobody went to PRISON & those are just 2 more have been caught CHEATING .
Contrary to your bullshit , there's little risk cheating because when it happened NOTHING NOTHING happen to them , NADA
@franz909 they can't prove that they're cheating cuz even if you get pocket aces cracked by 7-2 a hundred times in a row, in mathematics, it's a STILL A POSSIBILITY and that will end the case. this is the tricky part cuz if there's a small chance of it happening and if it does then the claim for cheating is out the door. the only way u can get a case for cheating is if somehow the prog fucks up dealing out say an ace of spade to a player and another one on the board.
im up 20k in 3 years playing $20 sitngos on full tilt. i just have to laugh at all u people complaining that its rigged, no your just not smart enough nor disciplined enough to swing the odds permanently in your favor. its a lot of work, its real work, thats why 99% of the people lose online, they dont view it as such. just some advice from "The Siphoner"
@mmnmnmmmnmmn okay i dont need to shout the rigged theory because i have won a little bit from online poker, but you only need to google the ultimate bet scandal and the absolute poker scandal to see the intergrity of these sites. Maybe they're not as legit as you thought they were. In both scandals a "rogue employee or employees" could see opponents hole cards. Both sites used the "rogue employee" cover up as an excuse imo. They havent been shut down and people stillplay. why wouldnt they rigit
@MrAlio101 its not rigged you idiots full tilt poker does not care if you win or lose they take a small amount of money from each pot weather you win or lose so why would it be rigged?? lol fuckin dumbass dont matter if you win or lose they still take there rake out of every pot you guys are just bad players if you think its rigged.. if you go all in and the other player goes all in. weather you win or lose they still take the same amount of cash from the pot
Blamming an imagineary rigg, is alot easier, then putting in the nessasry work you need to, and how much disipline is needed, too turn the long term profit.
People assume there rigging there $2 games, because obviously getting ur extra $2, is way more important then making the hundreds of thousands a day, they do, by just taking a rake.. I mean honestly who wouldnt risk there entire oporation, for your extra few bucks!
@mmnmnmmmnmmn yea and plus theres no way to prove it everyone gets bad beats I was in the top 150 for the daily doller yesterday and there was this donk pissing everyone off lol like always, anyway pre-flop KA spades river 83A so I raise Him 60K he goes all in having over 400k chips and I had 390K I was like yea this guy is bullshittin me 4 sure so I call all in He has a 8Q next cards on the river 8K so 83A8K I took my $20 and went on without complaining saying its rigged I was real mad though
@GODXSMOKESXHASH No one cares about you're bad beats, If someone has played the same amount of hands as you, he's going too experience nearly the same beats, coolers, and wins.. and I gurentee I have more hands played then almost anyone on here..
Anyway, just saying, no one is going too care about ur beat, I understand people want sympothy, and want people too think " the only reason i lost, is because i got unlucky" but no ones gonna care man.
The reson i say this is because casual players (ie players that play one table at a time) generate far less rake than teh regulars out there. If you do not know what a regular is go look it up. So teh regular will often generate up to 20x more rake than a casual player. Working on this theory shouldnt the reg be more lucky because he is giving the company more rake. Shouldnt the company want him to win more so that he can keep giving them money?????
Do you guys even know about multitabling?? The reason people play more tables is to even out the variance. So you cop one bad beat on one table but the other 15 tables are still running according to plan. Also, once you play at limits where people are able to fold hands, you are actually able to bet to make ppl pay for draws and they pay u off with weaker hands. Also, why would the online sites bother rigging it so that casual players win more???
@ajtoulson Thankyou, somebody that understands that online is not rigged. Majority of the players that believe online poker is rigged are just casual players that play for enjoyment. They might deposit $100 and put it all on a NL100 table. They cop one 'bad beat' and they believe that it is rigged. They lose their entire bankroll. Every bad beat is multiplied when u arent using any form of Bankroll management. It is natural variance.
also watching these hands your playing, you're making mistakes playing 5/10c. checking round top-pair on a draw heavy board and then min betting the river isn't good play, don't you think you should plug these leaks first before you start making vids about how the software is rigged?
why would it be rigged for you and not for anybody else, thats just how poker is!!! It happens when you play live as well, I cant tell you how many bad beats ive gotten at live tables, or sessions where i dont hit the board for days, the game is just random cards that can either swing your way, or swing towards your oponents, the only advantage one can get is by trying to implement bluffing to try and get your oponenets off hands, still hard to do when they are hitting the board...
What are you talking about no reads? 3:25 I bet Sgranzo has a ace high flush draw and bets it. And Murp494 has top pair top kicker or a set or something. Of course you have reads in online poker. Just learn to play.
Yesterday on PokerStars I lost a flopped full house to runner-runner quads at the same time on two tables - I managed to fold one of them.
The only sites I see runner-runner suck out hands on are PokerStars and Full Tilt - I'm on Europe so can play on any sites. Unfortunately the US are limited to which sites they can use and many of them think JokerStars and FullRiggedPoker offer a real poker game
It's called VARIANCE, here's a question if your playing 5/10c stakes online are you really playing that much poker off-line to notice a difference? minimum stakes would be like $1/2. Every time I see a video about online poker being rigged it is always posted by micro stakes players and even play money folk, people play awful poker at these levels hence the constant bad beats and berating of software.
@ajtoulson It's called RIGGED. Other sites like Party and Cake play nothing like Stars and Tilt. It's no coincidence they have the biggest player bases - they offer up a fruit machine style of poker that favours the donk on the river.
@PokerStarsIsSoRigged erm, no its not your comment is ridiculous and has no substance to it, this or any other shit you tube link is NOT EVIDENCE of anything, it's just your own paranoia. Trust me now when I say it's only 'donks' that believe the game is rigged.
@ajtoulson It's a fact that Full Tilt employ people to post on forums - they advertise the jobs over here in the UK (FTP is based in Ireland). Not quite sure why knowing that fact would also lead me to believe in UFOs, ghosts and spirts, but that's the typical shill response I would expect... How much do they pay your per hour? At least minimum wage, I hope.
Btw, I assumed you meant UFOs and not alien life anywhere in the known universe? You're not that small-minded, surely?
1. something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact. What your talking about is not fact, it's fiction, you've made it up. Fact is backed up by evidence, you have no evidence, therefore it is fiction so stop spouting shit and get a reality check, capiche?
@mmnmnmmmnmmn While you're laughing, read this news out today. See, it's YOU that's the mug, not the uploader:-
""Full Tilt had been operating as a $330m (£210m) Ponzi scheme, milking its own players' funds for the benefit of executives" (Manhattan attorney Preet Bharara)
@specialfx34 Why compare play chips with real money ?? They both use the same algorithm. Every online site is programmed for maximum action and rake. Are you that naïve that you think you will get a fair game from an unregulated oh shore company ?? Just wait until hr2267 passes, Stars and Tilt will be toast .
my tacker at FT shows..the analogy is..after 66000 hands my AA preflop loses 59 percent of time...worsehands at preflop win showdown 59 percent..it should be opposite..according to the math....lol..and FT is rigged indirectly...are you ok knowing that the cards that ar eleft in the deck are constantly being shuffled until one is called...im not....if my opponents cards are not at the top of the deck to beat me...then why should he have a chance to get them shuffled to the top...BS to that..lol
sir u are a moron and u still dont know anything about poker i watch the hands you play and u play them horrible... who folds Q 10 6 handed? do u wait for Kings Aces or aceking the only time u get involved ? and you use a tracker
sir u are a moron and u still dont know anything about poker i watch the hands you play and u play them horrible... who folds Q 10 6 handed? do u wait for Kings Aces or aceking the only time u get involved ?
I have played Full Tilt Poker for years now. I started seeing patterns in the cards recently during tournaments. Hold cards started to be reflected in the chip amounts of players. This gives an unfair advantage to anyone that may know that. For example, one hand a player had 525 chips. They received 1010 for hold cards. Jacks pushed all in knowing that the hand was covered. Another play the player had 2335. The hand after hitting this chip amount the player received pocket 55 w/trips.
I agree bad beats happen but the amount of bad beats you see on full tilt is incredible. I recently started playng heads up a lot and I swear to god almost every time I get all my chips in with a dominating hand like AK and they have A 4 or something smiliar they almost always hit their card or get a straight LOL, Its unbelievable. IF I have a higher pair they hit their set if they need only one card on the river to win the hand they hit it. I know 55% to 45% is not suckout but 75% to 25% is
@six80ususus This has nothing to do with you or your play,what makes no sense to some people makes absolute sense to others.Btw that was a question how can a question make no sense?I didn't claim anything i just asked,dumpass.
@mhtsos12" who are they?Aren't they players like you?" If I ment players like myself I would have said me or I. They usually means other people from my understanding anyway, maybey not yours though. But would I come in here and complain about my own playing that pretty much makes absolutely no sense. Your comment was obviously ment sarcasticaly so stop acting like a moron.
@six80ususus who are they?Aren't they players like you? If I ment players like myself I would have said me or I, they usually means other people not including oneself from my understanding, maybey not yours though. But why would I complain about my own play , that makes absolutely no sense. You pretty much know exactly what I was saying and deviced to make a sarcastic remark so stop acting like a moron.
I just went all in with pocket aces and got called by two players who had k rags. Both of them ended up with kings up. Stuff like this happens all the time. NEVER play online poker for money! I cannot imagine why, but it's not a true shuffle. All in heads up situations most always go in favor of the chip leader.
roberttippett 1 month ago
You guys are just bad players who don't want to blame your lack of skill for losing.
Frotteballe 1 month ago
@Frotteballe yea? how about when I have pocket Ks and go all in, and some maniac comes in all in with me with J8 non suited..... he ends up getting triple 8s.....
or how about when i said f*** it, and went all in with 5Q suited, and maniacs go in with 56 non suited...... he ends up beating me with a pair of 6s on the river.....
online poker is rigged. done.
webguy943 1 month ago
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@webguy943 These aren't even bad beats what kind of player are you?
KK vs J8 is 80% to 20%
5Q vs 56 is 75% to 25%
So no offence but I think my 1st comment definitely apply to you.
Frotteballe 1 month ago
This is how they test your IQ, see how long it takes you to fiqure it out.some never do it took me 2 days and i caught on.
DON15673 1 month ago
If you are intelligent and see whats happening right before your eyes, you would stop playing online poker and live. 100% rigged. There is no dispute
Entrepreneur253 2 months ago
lack of empirical data should be the first clue as to the strength of the argument. First because with a large enough sample size (20,000 hands or more) one not need make any argument as the numbers will speak for themselves. But more importantly, it’s the fact that those making accusations don’t even collect hand history data which exposes a fatal flaw in their argument because nearly every serious online poker player uses a software package like PokerTracker to analyze their play.
skaloon 2 months ago
missing the draws and beat by trips = riggggeedddd
360flip19 4 months ago
ah damn i lost a pot even though i had top pair!!! this site must be rigged!! please just stfu.
ahyde2010 4 months ago
Deffinately not rigged, but I do get so upset when I think I'm good enough to beat the people at the micro level, but the only thing that happens for me is that over time I lose, and I never win over long period of time. Theres absolutely nowhere for me to go but down. Does this mean that I'm not good enough to beat people at micro level? As difficult as it is for me to admit, I'm afraid I am worse than all those donks. I never would've thought poker was this difficult, it's a devestating game
Zee96969696 5 months ago
@Zee96969696 Defniitely not rigged? Really? The news today is that FullTilt poker really WAS rigged. Do a search on Google for Manhattan attorney Preet Bharara Full Tilt Ponzi Scheme and see for yourself.
Eldomina22 4 months ago
@Eldomina22 r u 3 years old or something? Full Tilt were using people's money and then they couldn't return the money to the people, they didn't alter the way the cards came out for anyone, you are one stupid son of a bitch, I donno how people can get this stupid
Zee96969696 4 months ago
@Zee96969696 Well tell that to the U.S. attorneys - who I'm fairly sure aren't "stupid" - who are now saying it was rigged.
There were morons like you screaming "Of course it's not rigged" when the "Potripper" scandal happened. You do know who Potripper was, right? No? He was the superuser on Absolute poker who played and won a fortune on there - because he worked for the company and he could see his opponents hole cards.
See you moron, the idiot here isn't me - it's you.
Eldomina22 4 months ago
@Zee96969696 Actually, I already know by the way you type that you have no clue who Potripper was (you'll pretend you did but you didn't).
So here, Mr. "Definitely not rigged" is why you should pause before you open your stupid mouth.
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Eldomina22 4 months ago
Are online casinos rigged?
Look at the servers where the casino directs you when you play games. You will learn that there is a winning server for the beginners and a fail server. They run the same games, but the software is rigged differently.
laikka100 5 months ago
of course its rigged. everyone knows that.
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MrWafflemonger 7 months ago
Of course its rigged. In the few months i played on full tilt, literally 80% of the time i went all in before the flop with AA. someone else had pocket kings and flopped another. I was actually scared to raise with AA. I changed poker sites, and now my avarage skill brings the returns i expect.
MrWafflemonger 7 months ago
ofc its rigged, its a program, it cannot be not rigged, i once play so many hands i could recognize flop patterns, i could know when to fold AA and when to call with 45 and always win, people would cry that its rigged, and they will be 50% right, its just a program, it work on patterns, thats all, recognize the patterns and win !
WishingBones 7 months ago
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JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS - Full Tilt poker has been SHUT DOWN !!! - in June 2011, so yeah, RIGGED
Iphoner3000 7 months ago
Bye Bye Full Tilt Poker. To all the fools that say bad beats on here is just variance? I maybe a stupid donkey that's a conspiracy theorist losing with AA all in preflop in tournmanets, and losing with quads weekly... but you defenders are the real donkeys in life.
gambitazul 7 months ago
Yes it's rigged. Riverfucking % too much. U don't have to be very intelligent to calculate the odds of getting fucked so many times in a short time.
DizzyDizzer2012 8 months ago
Wtf? Lately i seem to be runnning into quads on Full Tilt almost on a daily basis. What the F@#k, is this due to a 'softwarematic alternation' or am i just too ignorant to see this sh!t was always going on...
MonstRMagnet 8 months ago
its totaly controlled and full of ther own bots . they dont care if you lose its not random i get the same hands on loads of tables at the same time .
over an over ...they dont have much money to hand so its good for them if you lose.
..so they dont have to pay you 4 sure .... come wer only human ...relly :)
PANTSDOWN555 8 months ago
FULL JEW POKER IS RIGGED, AND THE THIEVES RAN WITH THE MONEY
iHatezJuice 9 months ago 2
Full tilt IS rigged...no-one who has actually played on there for an amount of time would think any different...especially in the mtt's where the time clock makes for miracle runner runner outs for the big stacks..they should investigate every so called 'pro' associated with it, and if they've been skimming a living of ordinary players.......let 'em see if theres a game in 'C Wing' !!!!
billytsoul1 9 months ago
If you dont have full tilt, you should get it.You can start making money pretty steadily, like i do, from the comfort of your home.
Go download it from the full tilt site and then follow this link to get a rake back deal, which is a must:
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I will help you and answer any questions you have via Youtube.
I've made many players from losers to winners.
Message me any questions!
ps - this guys a fish, full tilt is NOT rigged
bohemia187 9 months ago
"You're not.. you're not good." ~Ty Webb
thinking it's rigged is a great recipe for ensuring failure. it's self-fulfilling prophecy. the sooner you get this silly notion out of your head, the sooner you'll be able to start taking a critical look at your own play. hopefully you've noticed that people play quite a bit differently online as opposed to live--if you don't make the correct adjustments, you're gonna lose money at both.
TungstenOrWolfram 9 months ago
you can't prove a site's cheating cuz yeah it's possible to get pocket aces cracked 10 outa 10 times just like it is getting the royal flush back to back hand. the odds are against u but it's POSSIBLE which any TRUE poker player knows is bullshit. that said don't be a sucker and play online cash unless you REALLY want to gamble. play live at a casino where you know for sure it's regulated and not controlled by a fucking program.
ACIDOCEAN1 9 months ago
@ACIDOCEAN1 well said. im retiring
tmsteve640 9 months ago
the chosens ones back up the the so called legitimacy of the site. but the majority of players would be the suckers that dump their money into the accounts of the site owners. there's rare instances when i'm actually playing against live people in a legit game online but most of the time they'll get you into a room filled with site bots to take ur cash cleaning u out. it's best to play at a casino cuz online u'll be up against site bots and players w/programs.
ACIDOCEAN1 9 months ago
all online poker sites are rigged. i've played live poker cash games for over 10 yrs and 2 yrs ago i played on a couple of sites and here's my thought on it. there were times when i actually played legit games and games where i knew i was up against site bots and no matter how i played i could't beat these bots faking to be players. the site has control over everything because it's simply THEIR PROGRAM UNDER THEIR CONTROL. i believe there are a few legit winners online who are the chosen ones
ACIDOCEAN1 9 months ago
no matter rigged or not online poker just fucking sux the bad beats are happening like 70% of the time . its just sad because i love poker but i will stop playing it on sites like full tilt poker where some idiots call you with hands like 3 8 and than hit tripps .. i think i get myself into other online games again where real skill is asked not foolishness and luck
Dr4go0 10 months ago
I used to think the same thing as well but with enough playing you realize its just the randomness of the cards. Theres plenty of bad beats and suckouts you can see in live poker on youtube. Just a lot less hands your gonna see than what you do with multiple tables in a day.....also worse players online that call and push with crappy cards and get lucky.
Gamubi 10 months ago
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KevinRoe327 10 months ago
Hi Guys. For some reasons Youtube's annotation tool isn't working. The news today :
"Four websites of the largest companies: PokerStars, Full Tilt Poker, Absolute Poker and UB have been shut down and seized by the F.B.I on charges of bank fraud, money laundering and illegal gambling offenses. Charges against them are up to $3billion."
commonsense2008 10 months ago
God damnit. I fucking hate when people accuse poker sites of being rigged.
WHY WOULD THEY RISK EVERYTHING FOR A BIT HIGHER RAKE!?
I read an awesome post explaining why all the theories were bullshit.
Why would they risk. Please, tell me. There are a LOT more effective LEGAL ways to earn more. Its amazing how nobody ever actually has proof. It always starts with "Im a pro and i should be winning", except everyone has bad streaks.
Davisrullzs 10 months ago
Actually yeah it is rigged. any idiot that thinks otherwise when these honest people who own these websites were just busted for 3 billion dollar fraud, oughta be standing next to one of the scumbags when someone shoots em down like the dogs they are. yes I AM advocating that someone should shoot one of these people/players who promote this rigged sht. they are scum. their families to. come arrest me if you don't like it.
Gronad 10 months ago
@Gronad
u mad?
story46 10 months ago
@Gronad U R right.
Peanoob 10 months ago
I got a lifetime ban for telling pokerstars there game is rigged
aces are a guaranteed loss
AZ520ful 10 months ago
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BurningAlienSyndrome 10 months ago
poker sites are all the same! I usually play at the casino, I can assure you it has nothing to do with online poker is the thief of the money cannibals. their algorithms are trafficked, they push you to action! so AA loses cons 53: A 2 10 8 4 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in Riverstar! everything is done for you at checkout. jokerstars, fullshitpoker mother fuck
dgbx007 10 months ago
everyone i know who plays on tilt think its rigged compared to other sites
indamixup 10 months ago
I find it very, VERY frustration going all in with QQ being called by a fucking moron with K6 and ofc he hits the king. I believe fulltilt is rigged
kluxxxarn 10 months ago
nice check on he turn
JimEisenreich 10 months ago
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there is no difference between full tilt poker and zynga facebook poker.
l1uname 10 months ago
definiely is
28jzilla 10 months ago
LOL arrlite, POKER SITES ARE TOTALLY RIGGED !!!! FOOOR SURE!!
ALL thoses who says its fair are a bunch of ignorants...I guarantee you that the poker sites controls the games completely
therealbennify 10 months ago
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Well I don't know if it is rigged, but this point at least make sense. Because, if it is rigged to make more action, like AA vs KK so many times (an you know, guys... on FTP, pocket pairs are never alone!), they make more rake this way, because anywhere you play, even live, AA vs KK and similar situations are gonna make HUGE pots a lot of times.
So... bigger pots means more rake to the site. This is a fact. So... Make your own conclusions...
lipebarata 10 months ago
Well I don't know if it is rigged, but this point at least make sense. Because, if it is rigged to make more action, like AA vs KK so many times (an you know, guys... on FTP, pocket pairs are never alone!), they make more rake this way, because anywhere you play, even live, AA vs KK and similar situations are gonna make HUGE pots a lot of times.
So... bigger pots means more rake to the site. This is a fact. So... Make your own conclusions...
lipebarata 10 months ago
Listen all I know is that in live poker, ten consecutive hand absolutely can't win by a person holding low connectors for a str8 when your holding ak. Quit playing on the sight for just 1 wk. Don't even sign in. Then play and tell me how much better your cards hit!! A Lot!! I wnt some honest responses please. It will guarantee that it is not because your fresh and haven't played in a while. Just try it and see if im not right...
TheBigbuck2010 10 months ago
Dont listen to that mmmmmmmmmm dude. He has some kind of financial interest in the rigged garbage.
Yes, it is blatantly rigged. Very obvious.
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qbikqwe 11 months ago
don't some of u think that you would rigg it if it was your own site?
those who work at full tilt want to earn as much as possible in order to do that they are doing everything to keep people- this is only my opinion
qbikqwe 11 months ago
For me its like If i win one day then i know that the next day im gonna loose 100% sure with the same cards and same combinations .For people who think that online poker bad beats depend on the number of hands u play: compare for example 100 live all ins vs 100 online all ins, with exact same cards and exact same situations and ull see
qbikqwe 11 months ago
I know for a fact its rigged or at least that the system is fishy...I saw 6....yes 6 straight flushes in an hour and half playing pot limit omaha on full tilt...on the same table...hell I had 2 of them LOL. I have played uncounatble times with friends for hours upon hours probably days upon days in equal time and only seen 1 straight flush. Its comical honestly...after seeing this I knew full tilt was a joke. I wish I had saved the hand history.
ImAllinDark 11 months ago
QUESTION: What stupid faggot thinks its normal for kings to lose to ace jack 60% of the time on a consistent basis?
ANSWER: ...the cunts who think online poker is legit.
kenocartel 11 months ago
Why do people who lose money at poker assume it's fixed? Can't you just admit you suck at it? The beats happen to everyone, it's your lack of skill at all other aspects that leave you in the red. Look up winning players, they win all the time, consistantly. The usual reason people lose money is they totally blow at the game. The usual reason they THINK they lose is "it's rigged". The delusion is so obvious.
ProIndividual 11 months ago
@ProIndividual
Sounds like the usual site shill bullshit to me. Its rigged, without a doubt.
Dont try to con people with that crap.
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calbasscalbass 1 year ago
attention. if your a true poker player you will save your money and play only live games. i've played both live/online poker for yr's now and i know which one is legit. these sites are not rigged as in having less or more cards in the deck, they are rigged in something i call the ''site setup''. they will put players names in the database and the system will not allow those players to EVER win big. some ppl will win and cash out, but most will sit their scratching their heads at the site setup.
kribs101 1 year ago
Haha, you obviously don't know what you are even talking about. Most of the people who claim it to be 'rigged' are just amateur fools who can't grasp that it is in fact their playing and skill that is taking all their money. Poker is a game of strategy, not something you can just bullshit and say "hope i make some money!" Personally, I make around 300$ a day playing on Full Tilt, if it's rigged, it's definitely rigged the right way!!!
Zem0nkey 1 year ago
no way you clear 300 everyday...i do not believe its rigged, but i have lost quite a bit of money. I have also won at times good amounts playing..but i dont care how good you are 300 everyday just doesnt happen
this2shallpass2008 11 months ago
People who are against the "rigged" theory always come up the argument that you have to prove it's "rigged", but there is no way to prove this theory, because the ONLY people who have access to the system Full Tilt uses are Full Tilt...it's clearly "rigged", they let you win, then you will lose lose lose, it's no suprise that videos are popping up all over the place claiming it is rigged, because it happens to so many...they probably have a system that identifies what type of player you are
MrTalkingSense 1 year ago
@MrTalkingSense Lol, it's against random people. Unless they are tossing in random computer opponents to take everyone's money, it's far from rigged. Just because people are stupid and go all-in for stupid hands, means nothing. Do you know how much money Full Tilt makes per day JUST on tournaments? They have no need to 'rig' their game to steal your 10 dollars.
Zem0nkey 1 year ago
@Zem0nkey Well let's get one thing straight, you are arguing that Full Tilt is infact not "rigged", but surely this is something you personally wouldn't know, as this is something you are clearly not privy to, in that you don't know about the systems that Full Tilt use, surely ONLY Full Tilt would know how their system works?
Lets get one thing straight, if someone loses they will inevitably come back and deposit again, which gives a clear motive for "rigging" the system.
MrTalkingSense 1 year ago
@MrTalkingSense The same people who say Full Tilt is rigged are the same people who threw their Nes.. Snes... N64.. XBOX even... Controllers at their t.v.s saying "-cries- This game is cheating!!!!!" Anyone who can't take a lose ALWAYS finds something other than themselves for making a stupid call. Enough said.
BTW, what you call a 'clear motive' for rigging is just... mentally challenged? If they 'rigged' Full Tilt, that = fraud, extortion, money laundering, not to mention
Zem0nkey 1 year ago
@MrTalkingSense COUNTLESS other laws that would be broken.Yeah,they are going to risk going to jail for 50 years to steal someones 50 bucks.Don't be an idiot.They rake anywhere between 30 AND EVEN UP TO 60%! of tournament entry fees (which is why tournaments can be afforded to be held, don't whine "SEE!" because they give you great odds.) They could never accept another deposit and they'd still be raking in what is left of their customers money as people continue to play.
Zem0nkey 1 year ago
@Zem0nkey
What do you think will happen if they do not rig the game for parity and action flops so that more ppl keep playing. If the room wasn't rigged, it would have gone empty a long time ago. Instead of allowing this they just rig it for the weakest players, who think for a moment they are good and keep playing.
ZeratulHONOR 1 year ago
@ZeratulHONOR Lol, you are retarded. Have you ever even been into a casino? Or, even played real poker before?
Zem0nkey 1 year ago
@Zem0nkey Listen until you can prove otherwise then you are just guessing, I repeat you are not privy to any of the systems Full Tilt use, so in reality you are basically guessing, you are assuming that they don't "rig" it, but the fact remains, the only people who would know if it's "rigged" would be Full Tilt, not some internet monkey like yourself...to say they have no reason to "rig" the system is a poor argument, they can (and do) make tenfold of what they would make otherwise
MrTalkingSense 1 year ago
Of course it's rigged, they "let" you win initially (because that is the bait), so therefore the user will forever be chasing that "easy" win in the future...Full Tilt is a business, and are in the business of making money, it's NOT in their interests for people to win, so the system decides who will win each game, based on that persons individual stats
MrTalkingSense 1 year ago 2
@MrTalkingSense
Exactly correct. The scum that runs these sites are no better than the crack dealer on the street.
rimmyou69 1 year ago
@burrirlo lol, you're clueless, but honestley it's people like you, that make poker profitable. You assume you never make mistakes, and then when you see your aces get beat a couple times you have too blame somthing, soo why not blame a "rig" lol?
All you gotta do, is what I posted, and what people seemed too agree with, too prove it's "fixed" just do what I said.. duh
Hmm.. I wonder why no one has done this, and showed people..? OOO because it's always EVEN!
People ALWAYS remember bad beats.
mmnmnmmmnmmn 1 year ago
Fulltilt and pokerstars use algorithms to make more premium hands dealt at the beginning of hand. This allows more players to play bet and increase the rake. Thus the reason you 3 and 4 pocket pairs in the same hand AK and AQ are paired up continually 4 card flushes and 4 card straights on the board. These sites want people to have good hands so they will stay and play increasing the rake. Live poker you see these things rarely. They cheat due to greed period.
2325jd 1 year ago
It's so amazing that you know you're beat and still call.
HenningDIF 1 year ago
I dont think it is rigged. however, has anybody else noticed that after you make a deposit or dont play for a while, you seem to get a good run of the cards?
ken3b 1 year ago
full tilt poker is kinda shady
everytime Im in a 9 way tournament I will be on the bubble
and Im ahead until the river then they suck out on the river EVERY TIME
its literally uncanny and makes me sick after awhile
TheCleetz 1 year ago
Have exactly the same exp. with those winning/loosing streaks. Seems strange, when youre loosing its no point playing any hands at all. If its not programmed to do that, it could possible be linked to the state of mind (thinking positive or negative)? At least I have seen what often happens when I think in a negative way even before the cards are put on the table, during these periods its common to loose something like 9 out of 10 preflop allins despite always massive advantage like KK vs 77.
Djuret3 1 year ago
I have holdem manager.. and i have realized fulltilt adjust to your playing style..i admit i use to donk off chips with one pair ect...i thought maybe its my bad play..i have greatly adjust my game play showing down monster hands only to get rivered.. my holdem manager reads over 50,000 hands i have won with a straight two card nuts only 33.3% of the time..and when i look back how the hand was played out on numerous occasions i got rivered for a flush or a full house.. and alwaaaays the river!!!
maltliq 1 year ago
lol why did mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm comment then comes a week later and comments again. LOL!
dh144498 1 year ago
its true wot ur saying, but end of the day u do get win streaks and lose streaks, the thing about on line poker is simple, stick to principles, play high cards, play higher stake tourneys as ppl play the cards and dont go all in like fish in the lower tourneys. it could be rigged but its agenst the law to fix cards etc. shit happens wen u lose just deal with it and move on to the next tourney, and live within your means
welshhardman 1 year ago
I play in the grosvenor casino every weekend. I walk away with profit nearly every time maybe 8 out of 10 times i go. This isn't down to skill ( reading ppl, spotting tells, bluffing when I know an opponents weak etc..) coz I can't do that. It's the cards. I been going for around 18 months now and it's been good I play tight and wait for a v strong starting hand or if I hit the flop nicely. I used the same method online and it's just bullshit It's rigged. The flop turn and rivers just rigged up
worzel183 1 year ago
I will tell you something.
Those people who complain that online poker is rigged because they suffer too many bad beats are most of the time (if not always) pathetic losers who cannot accept the fact that poker is first and foremost a gambling game. Keep on crying how your AA got cracked by 2-7 or how you lost to your set to a backdoor flush. You are just looking for excuses to explain your poor results. Online Poker is NOT RIGGED, Just get over it bunch of worthless DONKEYS
twinsmastermind 1 year ago
You are being extremely paranoid. If the site was rigged and someone could prowe it, that would crush and bestroy their business. And open up for massive lawsuits.
As long as you play at the wery low stakes tables you will run into more bizarre situations, because there are more idiots present.
kaspermj 1 year ago
I don't know about this...many hands I play never make it past preflop and if they do they almost never make it past the flop...if your getting drawn out on with Top Pair maybe try raising your initial raise to pot sized so the pot odds dont warrant a drawing hand to call. You can't always beat the cards but you can always beat the other player unless he flops the nuts.
MafiaWars23 1 year ago
@MafiaWars23 You can also filter it too after the flop, vs a specific situation, no matter what the odds are, they will matchup ( give or take a % or 2 ) ( but the more hands u have, the more it will be dead even )
If you or anyone is skeptical of a rigg, then just do that, it's that simple!!!
Not too mention, what does giving a certian player more bad beats, achomplish? How would they benefit from that? They make 100k's a day, yet they want to purposefully bad beat you in a $2 game becasue?
mmnmnmmmnmmn 1 year ago 6
@mmnmnmmmnmmn it might be rigged to inspire action and increase the rake...but If you read my earlier comment to this you will see my full position on it :)
MafiaWars23 1 year ago
It keeps the donks on the site, if they can win sometimes with any two cards they will stay:) that's a huge benefit for them.
Patoooo05 8 months ago
Of course it's rigged. I move in with the best hand about 80% of the time and looses about 80% of the time, mostly on the river.
MrLunafied 1 year ago
Heh, It's amusing how people just make up percentages, and think they lose way more often then they should.
If anyone wants to see if its legit or "rigged" lol, Then just do this:
Play a substantial number of hands, use your HEM, or w/e hand tracking software you have, Filter the hands too w/e matchup you want (IE.. AA vs "XX" all in preflop) and see if the %'s matchup, because they will be nearly what they should be.. ALWAYS!!! lol. The more hands you have, the more it evens out.
Simple. :)
mmnmnmmmnmmn 1 year ago 12
It once went the other way. I had been trying to win a point satelite all day and eventually I made the final 3 and one of them just folded every hand. THen it was 1 on 1 and almost every hand I got was AA, full house, trips and quads - this is also not possible - it makes no sense.
purdeythedog 10 months ago
I quit full tilt when it kept being rediculous and went to pokerstars - I have not had the same problem there.
It has been absolutely fine but I don't like playing there because the software is ugly and people use pictures of babies and weird stuff which I don't like.
purdeythedog 10 months ago
@mmnmnmmmnmmn i bet you feel stupid today lol....... bet you can hit homeruns in batting cages to lol
thug8707 10 months ago
@mmnmnmmmnmmn to quote you: 1. They have a gaming license and would not risk it. it just isn't worth it.
Maybe they should have hired you to be their Risk management consultant. Apparently, "They" are all being indicted for no gaming license. Don't worry dude, you'll smarten up one day : /
scaper37 10 months ago
Struggler10 10 months ago 5
@Struggler10 Thank you! Finally someone puts in some work to prove what I've KNOWN now for 2 years, yet people still think I'm crazy, when in fact they're so set in their smug, ass-kissing, sub-par poker-playing ways that they are blind.
Peanoob 10 months ago
@Struggler10 How dumb u have to be to believe that game is fair when u do not see the cards but only a easilly manipulated screen object :D Cmon
Rastamanjungle 9 months ago
@Struggler10
Those stats are entirely typical for a fish who has failed to learn that slowplaying big pairs for stacks means getting action from hands that have you crushed: 2pair, sets, 13+ out combo draws. Doyle Brunson wrote decades ago that big pairs usually win a small hand or lose a big one. Its amazing how many people still don't get it.
SunshineMcGillicutty 3 months ago
@mmnmnmmmnmmn its all good you saying that but it only tracks your cards and not the action rigging, full tilt is the master software to tilt players, i saw pocket aces over 30 times in 2 hours and if you play any good hands you will lose them 95% of the time. if you get jj you will play it and i guarantee someone has aces. plus wheres the customer service. its non existant for such a big company and they know how many complaints they would get. theifs
tmsteve640 9 months ago
@MrLunafied haha :P
mmnmnmmmnmmn 1 year ago
@MrLunafied that is true tho I did have a stretch of hands the other night 4/4 premium hands in a row...Each hand ended up all in. I had a couple hands completely dominated ie QQ vs Q9 and I got rivered 3/4 times ...
...board comes t 9 3 7 9 and he flops trips. It was annoying. I did river the first all in hand so that was nice...I folded pocket Tens tho before I lost all the money I made off the drunks on New Years
MafiaWars23 1 year ago
Live poker is RIGGD!
tesil123 1 year ago
I don't think the cards you get dealt are fixed. I fink the board is rigged for action a lot of the time. The amount of times I've seen bullshit like 66 vs 99 vs JJ with a flop j96 online is unreal. Also king high flush vs ace high flush happens a ridiculas amount of times. And quads 3 hands in a row is complete horse shit. Bad beats obviously happen in the real world and ino u play a lot more hands online but there's something that's not right on some of these sites I blame world hunger
worzel183 1 year ago
was it a risk for Madoff to cheat? ENRON?> People made millions off ENRON cheating and they didnt goto jail. Russ hamilton Cheated on poker online and he didnt goto jail.
i won 6k my first year and now i never win. my last 30 hands on full tilt i flopped hi pair and lost to rivered str8s. ( iplay lowest level limit now just to document the craziness.) u can play kenny tran on the lowest level often. its obviously rigged even on his table with all the flushes and full houses flying around.
bostoncommonterry 1 year ago
1. They have a gaming license and would not risk it. it just isn't worth it.
2. you play more hands online ---> more bad beats
3. people remember a lot better when they get sucked out versus when they suck out on someone else.
4. the majority of online players are losing ---> more people on here comparing bad beat stories and talking about how it's rigged
5. if you're all so smart, and it is rigged...
-why are you still playing?
-why don't you sue them?
Let me know how the lawsuit goes
schafer18 1 year ago 6
@schafer18 Hey Wise guy Full-tilt m Absolute , poker stars executives just indicted for FRAUD so apologize for your silly list then go to CNN web site read article .
'Risk Gaming license " Why do you think they are off shore and besides Fulltilt programmer said they haven't been audited for years , they can rig software ANYWAY they want ..
franz909 10 months ago
@schafer18
Don't worry Einstein , they'll cheat banks , cheat tax laws , cheat wire laws, cheat governments but they no way , no way cheat some guy on the internet , See how nonsensical you sound .
Absolute and UB already CHEAT players out of MILLIONS and guess what , still have their license and nobody went to PRISON & those are just 2 more have been caught CHEATING .
Contrary to your bullshit , there's little risk cheating because when it happened NOTHING NOTHING happen to them , NADA
franz909 10 months ago
@franz909 they can't prove that they're cheating cuz even if you get pocket aces cracked by 7-2 a hundred times in a row, in mathematics, it's a STILL A POSSIBILITY and that will end the case. this is the tricky part cuz if there's a small chance of it happening and if it does then the claim for cheating is out the door. the only way u can get a case for cheating is if somehow the prog fucks up dealing out say an ace of spade to a player and another one on the board.
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schafer18 1 year ago
im up 20k in 3 years playing $20 sitngos on full tilt. i just have to laugh at all u people complaining that its rigged, no your just not smart enough nor disciplined enough to swing the odds permanently in your favor. its a lot of work, its real work, thats why 99% of the people lose online, they dont view it as such. just some advice from "The Siphoner"
frogger1017 1 year ago 4
:) aww man.. always funny to read the, "rigged" comments, you guys just dont get it.. lol, but hey, doesnt bother me..
I guess every single poker site just happens to be rigged in some giant consipriacy, every owner got together and decided too. :) lol's
Anyway, my favorite and best sayings, "The only reason i dont win is because i get bad beated ALL THE TIME!"
I sware these comments just crack me up lol, sorry although there not aimed toward anyone particular, but it's just amusing :)
mmnmnmmmnmmn 1 year ago 6
@mmnmnmmmnmmn okay i dont need to shout the rigged theory because i have won a little bit from online poker, but you only need to google the ultimate bet scandal and the absolute poker scandal to see the intergrity of these sites. Maybe they're not as legit as you thought they were. In both scandals a "rogue employee or employees" could see opponents hole cards. Both sites used the "rogue employee" cover up as an excuse imo. They havent been shut down and people stillplay. why wouldnt they rigit
MrAlio101 1 year ago
@MrAlio101 its not rigged you idiots full tilt poker does not care if you win or lose they take a small amount of money from each pot weather you win or lose so why would it be rigged?? lol fuckin dumbass dont matter if you win or lose they still take there rake out of every pot you guys are just bad players if you think its rigged.. if you go all in and the other player goes all in. weather you win or lose they still take the same amount of cash from the pot
GODXSMOKESXHASH 1 year ago
@GODXSMOKESXHASH Well said, and also
Blamming an imagineary rigg, is alot easier, then putting in the nessasry work you need to, and how much disipline is needed, too turn the long term profit.
People assume there rigging there $2 games, because obviously getting ur extra $2, is way more important then making the hundreds of thousands a day, they do, by just taking a rake.. I mean honestly who wouldnt risk there entire oporation, for your extra few bucks!
If you think it's rigged, ur clueless
mmnmnmmmnmmn 1 year ago
@mmnmnmmmnmmn yea and plus theres no way to prove it everyone gets bad beats I was in the top 150 for the daily doller yesterday and there was this donk pissing everyone off lol like always, anyway pre-flop KA spades river 83A so I raise Him 60K he goes all in having over 400k chips and I had 390K I was like yea this guy is bullshittin me 4 sure so I call all in He has a 8Q next cards on the river 8K so 83A8K I took my $20 and went on without complaining saying its rigged I was real mad though
GODXSMOKESXHASH 1 year ago
@GODXSMOKESXHASH No one cares about you're bad beats, If someone has played the same amount of hands as you, he's going too experience nearly the same beats, coolers, and wins.. and I gurentee I have more hands played then almost anyone on here..
Anyway, just saying, no one is going too care about ur beat, I understand people want sympothy, and want people too think " the only reason i lost, is because i got unlucky" but no ones gonna care man.
Beats happen, gotta accept the realities
GL man
mmnmnmmmnmmn 1 year ago 3
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@GODXSMOKESXHASH how wrong you were you fucking DUMBASS cunt
MrAlio101 7 months ago
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mmnmnmmmnmmn 1 year ago
For everyone saying its fake its real cards being dealt and send to the computeres in LA
BlackOpslox 1 year ago
The reson i say this is because casual players (ie players that play one table at a time) generate far less rake than teh regulars out there. If you do not know what a regular is go look it up. So teh regular will often generate up to 20x more rake than a casual player. Working on this theory shouldnt the reg be more lucky because he is giving the company more rake. Shouldnt the company want him to win more so that he can keep giving them money?????
Laggsy1 1 year ago
Do you guys even know about multitabling?? The reason people play more tables is to even out the variance. So you cop one bad beat on one table but the other 15 tables are still running according to plan. Also, once you play at limits where people are able to fold hands, you are actually able to bet to make ppl pay for draws and they pay u off with weaker hands. Also, why would the online sites bother rigging it so that casual players win more???
Laggsy1 1 year ago
@ajtoulson Thankyou, somebody that understands that online is not rigged. Majority of the players that believe online poker is rigged are just casual players that play for enjoyment. They might deposit $100 and put it all on a NL100 table. They cop one 'bad beat' and they believe that it is rigged. They lose their entire bankroll. Every bad beat is multiplied when u arent using any form of Bankroll management. It is natural variance.
Laggsy1 1 year ago
also watching these hands your playing, you're making mistakes playing 5/10c. checking round top-pair on a draw heavy board and then min betting the river isn't good play, don't you think you should plug these leaks first before you start making vids about how the software is rigged?
ajtoulson 1 year ago
why would it be rigged for you and not for anybody else, thats just how poker is!!! It happens when you play live as well, I cant tell you how many bad beats ive gotten at live tables, or sessions where i dont hit the board for days, the game is just random cards that can either swing your way, or swing towards your oponents, the only advantage one can get is by trying to implement bluffing to try and get your oponenets off hands, still hard to do when they are hitting the board...
jfar8504 1 year ago
What are you talking about no reads? 3:25 I bet Sgranzo has a ace high flush draw and bets it. And Murp494 has top pair top kicker or a set or something. Of course you have reads in online poker. Just learn to play.
redantidote 1 year ago
Yesterday on PokerStars I lost a flopped full house to runner-runner quads at the same time on two tables - I managed to fold one of them.
The only sites I see runner-runner suck out hands on are PokerStars and Full Tilt - I'm on Europe so can play on any sites. Unfortunately the US are limited to which sites they can use and many of them think JokerStars and FullRiggedPoker offer a real poker game
PokerStarsIsSoRigged 1 year ago
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PokerStarsIsSoRigged 1 year ago
It's called VARIANCE, here's a question if your playing 5/10c stakes online are you really playing that much poker off-line to notice a difference? minimum stakes would be like $1/2. Every time I see a video about online poker being rigged it is always posted by micro stakes players and even play money folk, people play awful poker at these levels hence the constant bad beats and berating of software.
ajtoulson 1 year ago
@ajtoulson It's called RIGGED. Other sites like Party and Cake play nothing like Stars and Tilt. It's no coincidence they have the biggest player bases - they offer up a fruit machine style of poker that favours the donk on the river.
PokerStarsIsSoRigged 1 year ago
@PokerStarsIsSoRigged erm, no its not your comment is ridiculous and has no substance to it, this or any other shit you tube link is NOT EVIDENCE of anything, it's just your own paranoia. Trust me now when I say it's only 'donks' that believe the game is rigged.
ajtoulson 1 year ago
@ajtoulson - I believe it's rigged - my winrate on Stars 6-max Limit Hold'em is 9BB/100
I don't trust you now or ever
I suspect you work for PokerStars or the PPA - trust me now when I say you're a shill
PokerStarsIsSoRigged 1 year ago
@PokerStarsIsSoRigged are you serious, do you also believe in aliens and supernatural ghosts and spirits?
ajtoulson 1 year ago
@ajtoulson It's a fact that Full Tilt employ people to post on forums - they advertise the jobs over here in the UK (FTP is based in Ireland). Not quite sure why knowing that fact would also lead me to believe in UFOs, ghosts and spirts, but that's the typical shill response I would expect... How much do they pay your per hour? At least minimum wage, I hope.
Btw, I assumed you meant UFOs and not alien life anywhere in the known universe? You're not that small-minded, surely?
PokerStarsIsSoRigged 1 year ago
@PokerStarsIsSoRigged nope I was, actually, in-fact, mocking you. Fact –noun
1. something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact. What your talking about is not fact, it's fiction, you've made it up. Fact is backed up by evidence, you have no evidence, therefore it is fiction so stop spouting shit and get a reality check, capiche?
ajtoulson 1 year ago
@PokerStarsIsSoRigged I bet it's the aliens that are rigging you're $2 games, hahaha :P
You got funny posts bro, but continue believing w/e you want lol :)
mmnmnmmmnmmn 1 year ago 2
@mmnmnmmmnmmn While you're laughing, read this news out today. See, it's YOU that's the mug, not the uploader:-
""Full Tilt had been operating as a $330m (£210m) Ponzi scheme, milking its own players' funds for the benefit of executives" (Manhattan attorney Preet Bharara)
Eldomina22 4 months ago
online poker isnt rigged u just dont know how to play poker
Laggsy1 1 year ago
@Laggsy1 I'm a winning player on Full Tilt and I think it's rigged
PokerStarsIsSoRigged 1 year ago
online poker isnt rigged
Laggsy1 1 year ago
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PokerStarsIsSoRigged 1 year ago
Fergusonnnnnnnnnnnnn and company
facking man we are the dead of poker
ottone74 1 year ago
@specialfx34 Why compare play chips with real money ?? They both use the same algorithm. Every online site is programmed for maximum action and rake. Are you that naïve that you think you will get a fair game from an unregulated oh shore company ?? Just wait until hr2267 passes, Stars and Tilt will be toast .
musicman102357 1 year ago
my tacker at FT shows..the analogy is..after 66000 hands my AA preflop loses 59 percent of time...worsehands at preflop win showdown 59 percent..it should be opposite..according to the math....lol..and FT is rigged indirectly...are you ok knowing that the cards that ar eleft in the deck are constantly being shuffled until one is called...im not....if my opponents cards are not at the top of the deck to beat me...then why should he have a chance to get them shuffled to the top...BS to that..lol
santagirl1 1 year ago
@santagirl1 You are looking at the wrong stats girl.Are you using poker tracker?Maybe you have selected the stats of one game only.
mhtsos12 1 year ago
check out onlinepokercrack. com if you play with REAL money, pretty amazing stuff.
j753k 1 year ago
You are so dumb. You are really dumb. For real.
lymanb 1 year ago
sir u are a moron and u still dont know anything about poker i watch the hands you play and u play them horrible... who folds Q 10 6 handed? do u wait for Kings Aces or aceking the only time u get involved ? and you use a tracker
alyasn06 1 year ago
sir u are a moron and u still dont know anything about poker i watch the hands you play and u play them horrible... who folds Q 10 6 handed? do u wait for Kings Aces or aceking the only time u get involved ?
alyasn06 1 year ago
You sound like patrik antionus
itzterrify 1 year ago
I have played Full Tilt Poker for years now. I started seeing patterns in the cards recently during tournaments. Hold cards started to be reflected in the chip amounts of players. This gives an unfair advantage to anyone that may know that. For example, one hand a player had 525 chips. They received 1010 for hold cards. Jacks pushed all in knowing that the hand was covered. Another play the player had 2335. The hand after hitting this chip amount the player received pocket 55 w/trips.
Sundance010 1 year ago
75% to 25 % is a suckout when they hit their 25% like 8 times in a row. Try the heads up 500 chip stack you will see what I meen.
six80ususus 1 year ago
I agree bad beats happen but the amount of bad beats you see on full tilt is incredible. I recently started playng heads up a lot and I swear to god almost every time I get all my chips in with a dominating hand like AK and they have A 4 or something smiliar they almost always hit their card or get a straight LOL, Its unbelievable. IF I have a higher pair they hit their set if they need only one card on the river to win the hand they hit it. I know 55% to 45% is not suckout but 75% to 25% is
six80ususus 1 year ago
@six80ususus who are they?Aren't they players like you?
mhtsos12 1 year ago
@mhtsos12 Considering you never played me your comment makes no sense but thanx for the feedback anyway : )
six80ususus 1 year ago
@six80ususus This has nothing to do with you or your play,what makes no sense to some people makes absolute sense to others.Btw that was a question how can a question make no sense?I didn't claim anything i just asked,dumpass.
mhtsos12 1 year ago
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@mhtsos12" who are they?Aren't they players like you?" If I ment players like myself I would have said me or I. They usually means other people from my understanding anyway, maybey not yours though. But would I come in here and complain about my own playing that pretty much makes absolutely no sense. Your comment was obviously ment sarcasticaly so stop acting like a moron.
six80ususus 1 year ago
@six80ususus who are they?Aren't they players like you? If I ment players like myself I would have said me or I, they usually means other people not including oneself from my understanding, maybey not yours though. But why would I complain about my own play , that makes absolutely no sense. You pretty much know exactly what I was saying and deviced to make a sarcastic remark so stop acting like a moron.
six80ususus 1 year ago