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  • I love how people use this to take a swing at FOX News.

    Economists have said this for years. Hell, Liberal economists have been in this camp. Young people have been devastated by rising minimum wage laws. Young black males, who were employed at a better rate than young white males before this laws, now face over 50% unemployment. Studies also show that the vast majority (99%) of min wage workers are 2nd, even 3rd, income earners of households, and receive large raises within a year.

  • Forget should we lower minimum wage...COULD we lower it has to be asked first! People are barely making enuff as it is...what are these people supposed to do...live in a fuckin' igloo? A job that does not support a life is not a job at all, it's called slavery. We have two different words because they mean two different things.

  • @NBTY4ever

    Minimum wage jobs aren't meant to be career jobs. They are jobs for workers with little to no work skills to gain some work experience so they can eventually move on to better paying jobs. In many cases minimum wage laws price people out of work. Instead of a business owner paying a kid to complete menial tasks in his shop he will just complete them himself or assign the work to someone else who already works for him. That job may have been worth $5 but at $7.25 or more its not.

  • So sad that all you left wing hacks who hate the minimum wage actually get to vote.

  • It is awful that there is are so many economic illiterates out there who want to raise the minimum wage law, especially in these kind of times.

    Question to all of you: if the minimum wage really raised wages, instead of just creating unemployment, why not make it $100? Or a million, we'll all be rich!

  • @Sondre7 Lowering minimum wage would make things worse. Big businesses like Wal Mart would drop down their wages, and since it's already too hard to like on minimum wage, even more people would not be able to support themselves. If a business can't afford to give a few people $10 an hour, it's a miracle they are still in business.

  • @RedSandStudios No, what they're trying to do is make it possible to pay lazy punks less money and more dedicated, but still low-skilled more.

  • A lower minimum wage is better than NO wage at all. The government wants higher wages so they can collect more in taxes. They do no care about the worker, the more the worker makes the more they collect in taxes.

  • @classicvox

    The government wants a higher minimum wage to pander for easy votes from ignorant people who believe that a higher minimum wage translates to greater prosperity. Higher minimum wages destroy jobs. More people without jobs means less taxable income and less revenue for the government.

  • @conservakid85 You completely contradicted yourself.

  • @RedSandStudios

    A job that a business owner once deemed to be worth $5/hr may no longer be worth $7.25+/hr. They can eliminate the need for that labor or divert that labor to someone else earning more rather than pay the mandated wage to someone else. This would be a job loss and when the job is destroyed so is the taxable income that came from the job.

  • interresting.. Btw anyone up for some dity talk^^ ?

  • Hey Dems, lets raise the minimum wage to $50.00/hr! That would really help those at the minimum wage level wouldn't it? NOT. It would cost many their jobs and hurt the economy. There should be no min. wage imposed by government at all.

  • You are right we should be paying people 1 dollar an hour $1,160 minus taxes is way more than a family needs to live off.

    If there was no such thing as a minimum wage companies would be paying a dollar an hour to people, if companies are not told what they can and can not do there is no limit to what evils they would do for profit .

    Having a minimum wage does not hurt the economy, not having a minimum wage would put us on the same level as third world countries.

  • i love when people say that there are people only worth 2 bucks an hr how demoralizing i think

  • Okay consider that we now have your average american working 2 or more full time jobs on the min. wage level to support himself.

    Lowering min. wage would be political suicide on the working poor.

    While Bush said "good job" to those working 2+ jobs, encouragement alone does not create a comfortable standard of living.

  • I can live off minimum wage. Its easy, I don't buy unnecessary things. Too bad you won't be able to have the nicest cars, best groceries or nicest house. Oh wait, I'm sorry, we're already giving those things to people that can't afford them in the first place.

    Its funny how people say its fair to raise minimum wage but no one thinks about how they just screwed over people that needed jobs too. Small business can't afford more employees when their janitor is at $20 an hour.

  • Dude, minimum wage is not a living wage. It is impossible to pay for basic necessity living off minimum wage especially here in California.

    Say your rent was $700 (Average rent in the poorest areas of California is over $1,000)

    Gas + Electric $150, Food $100

    Total: $950

    Full time employment on minimum wage = $1,280 - taxes = $1,000 or less.. Which means you have $50 for everything else, it means no car, no bus pass or anything else.

  • The minimum wage ISNT meant to be a LIVING WAGE! Its just a entry level job so people can gain at least some experience in the workforce. A minimum wage is better than no wage at all!

  • If a slave owner provides the bare essentials in food, clothing and shelter, can it be said that the slaves are being "paid" and therefore, are not really slaves?

    When the USA signed into law NAFTA the race to the bottom began. You want to compete with China?, then you will have to accept living standards like that in China.

    Anyway, why bother lowering the Minimum wage, the dollars losing 20% of its value this year, Isn't that enough of a pay cut?

  • slaves are forced to work for their slave owner and if they runaway they get shot, if the slaves work for their slave owner because there is no better oppurtunity they aren't slaves even if they don't get paid anything more than bare essentials.

  • "if the slaves work for their slave owner because there is no better opportunity, they aren't slaves"

    -------Really? What would you like to call them?

    Maybe if the slaves were able to compete with the masters there would be better opportunity.

  • if thats the case then anyone who works for anyone else is a slave.

    but i dont think so, i think if u voluntarily work for someone you are choosing to do that, its not compulsary work which is the work of the slave.

  • Lower min. wage?!?!

    Let's see....

    They are about to push for amnesty for illegals. Illegals already get paid lower wages. If illegals get amnesty, lowering the min. wage will ensure they keep their jobs.

    Obama thinks illegals are more important than American citizens. He just proves to be a Corporate whore over and over.

  • Fox continues its Goebbels style mind garbage, the content continues to the spew out the dogma of scared old men.

  • This is most likely the dumbest idea I've ever heard, from anyone, ever. The minimum wage as it is now can barely support a single person, living on their own, if even do that. In fact, the minimum wage hasn't even kept up with inflation or the minimum wage would be at about $10. Scaling back the minimum wage would effectively give people jobs, yes but it would NOT allow people to LIVE on those jobs. Who wants to work 80 hours a week so they can live?

  • what if yu don't have a job, but a business can't profitably hire you for 10$ but can hire you for 8$, you are then not allowing poor people without skills without jobs to get jobs. minimum wage law decreases production, increases prices of products, you get rid of minimum wage and the prices of the things will drop significantly.

  • Well you're in luck because the minimum wage is not $10. It's $7.25. Trying to make a point with inflated numbers is dishonest. The minimum wage exists to prevent exploitation of the poor which in many places without these laws results in people living in slave like conditions. Why doesn't this administration instead focus on promoting training of laborers so they wouldn't be "unskilled". Only teenagers in high school should be flipping burgers for a living.

  • thats bullshit, minimum wage exists because unions went to the government and made it law. And it shuts out people who are willing to work for less. It hurts competition, it hurts poor people, it hurts the youth. Helps the people who already have jobs. There are tons of people who don't want to be part of a union. Alot of mexicans immigrants who rather work for 4.50$ a hour in america than live in mexico. But they never could get the job at 7.25$, you are taking away their only weapon.

  • It doesnt SHUT OUT people that want to work for less. If the minimum wage is $7 an hour and you want $3 an hour,, after you get paid that $7 for working one hour, why dont you throw $4 of it in the garbage.

    THAT WAY YOU GOT WHAT YOU WANTED! YOU WERE WILLING TO WORK LESS, RIGHT?

  • @tatomuck18 you still don't get it, when u work for 3$ that doesn't mean your employer keeps that extra 4$, it means the product you produce costs less which means more people can buy more of what you produce. If all the businesses do this your 3$ will buy much more than your 7.25$... Right now if you have 10mill in the bank, by next year the number will say 10,025,000. You gained 25,000$ in interest. But in reality you lost 500,000$ in purchasing power. You lost 5% because of 5% inflation.

  • and you are making people illegal, asshole

  • @Koramauf If you can't support yourself off living minimum wage then don't take that job and find and seek a better job that pays you more. No one holding a gun to your head and say you have to work for this wage, you have the choice to choose. You think if they get rid of minimum wage every single business will start paying $1/hr? They can't do that because no one will work for them and eventually the price of wage needs to increase to a point where people is willing to work for.

  • Go back to a gold and silver standard like the constitution specifically demands. If we didn't have "fake money" the value of currency wouldn't fluctuate and therefore the minimum wage wouldn't have to be adjusted every couple of years. It is thanks to endless printing of money, to pay for govt. programs, that we all have to ask for a raise every year just to stay at the same purchasing power.

  • people need to wake up , obama just said if healthcare isnt passed the country will go bankrupt , i dont know who he is working for , but that healthcare will sink this country fast... he is working for somebody but not the american people.

  • the new wealthy industrial nations such as china ,india ,middle east oil nations, will get sick of floating the u.s and great britain and our worthless paper.

  • im waiting for the government to collapse , its coming that or some kinda of martial law when Govenment cant pay for itself anymore .

  • lol yes cut wages create shit jobs , when you are creating hellish inflation long term that is going to kill us all.

  • Here's the funny part. The AFL-CIO spent millions to lobby at getting the Minimum Wage up.

    Not just once, but twice. if they drop Minimum Wage it will make union scale look even more great.

    Oh wait Obama and his team of mobsters are pushing unions. Unions get a healthy tax break in the healthcare bill.

  • like the rich got a tax break under bush?

  • @nfwvideo yep, that made them more money, then it help to creat more work the help to creat more jobs.

    See how that shit works.

    They can give layed people tax breaks all day long, but if they don't have a job it means nothing.

  • what good is a job if you cant pay bills or live off of? if i made say 20 bucks a day and 10 wnet to gas and 5 to buy food how do i pay rent with 5 bucks left?

  • @nfwvideo Now you do know GM has more plants over seas then they have in the USA. So when Obama gave them the $50 billion in bailout money, most of it went over seas to give jobs to everyone but Americans.

    Most of the cars that were being sold last in in the "cars for clunkers" were made over seas. Remember our plants were shut down.

  • im looking at the lack of job creation under bush's tax cuts

    but yes i agree there should have been provisions in cash for clunckers to buy american same should have wnet for the bail out

  • @nfwvideo Cash for clunkers turned out to be a blunder. Most of teh money went on cars for companies from over seas.

  • and that was wrong it was not set up correctly

    but again i ask how come the bush tax cuts for the rich outsourced jobs overseas?

  • @nfwvideo the tax cut for the rich you speak of wasn't corporate tax cuts. But Tax cut for thsoe people that were already rich. Where their millions that was sitting in banks and in investments were being tax to no end. When he put tax hikes on corporates, they just uped and moved to countries where the taxs were less than 12% and not 35%.

  • now jusy as the state of Oregon just raise taxes on the wealthy and on businesses. The rich are saying they are going to just pack up and move. The businesses are saying they have no choice by to lay half their work force off. some are talking of moving to other states, others are talking about moving over seas. Already.

    There's and old phrase, "you don't bite the hand that feeds you".

    These taxs do just that.

  • yea if they kept those plants in america so many more people would have jobs. sure maybe cars would be more expensive but at least you can find work. thats the reason america is fucking up. there are barely any working class jobs left

  • yea u are exactly right even with minimum wage now in califorinia you cant afford to live even in the nasty part of town with a full time minimum wage job. food is expensive and so is car insurance, gas, and rent. either way you are fucked

  • @dasmushroomcult and the sad part is that those that say prices go down if minimum wage goes away, fuck prices went up in the 10 years minimum wage stayed at 5:15 hr

  • yea they pocket the money and dont pass it down to the customers what it comes down to is greed. man i figure theres a certain point where more money doesnt matter if you are already a rich man. give me a job that gives 30$ and hour and a 40h work week thats more than enough money for me its pointless to have much more than that really.

  • @nfwvideo AMEN brother , what do all of the haters have to say about that little piece of minimum wage vs. prices history? They are so fuckin stupid drunk on the Government Kool Aid they dont know shit .

  • it only created jobs overseas by outsourceing them it did notthing for job creation here in america

  • @nfwvideo Right, they moved over seas for 3 reasons.

    cheap labor

    less regulations

    LESS TAXS

    But I'm with you on taxing them 75% for every penny of profit they make over seas.

    As well as not allow they to ship any product made over seas to come to the US. Even through other countries like Mexico or Canada.

  • That wasn't Fox's plan, they were just reporting on it. Government run zombies

  • Well, it beats Obamas plan to create 3 million jobs but loses 4 million. Hoooorah for Mr. Obama!!!!!!!!!!

  • Yep, no more rewarding people for dropping out of school. Here's a hint: Apply yourself and get the most out of the free public education that the nation provides, so you can get a position earning a respectable wage and *contribute* to society, instead of being a burden upon it. And while you're at it, stop voting for buffoons like obama that kill jobs and wreak havoc on the economy. If you want to drop out of school, expect a marginal paying job.

  • Leave it to Fox News' wealthy anchors to champion the ONE job-creating idea that puts less money in more workers' pockets. Wjy not slash the military's annual budget in HALF? That's $300 BILLION saved right.there. Clinton did it and it helped fuel the greatest economic expansion in world HISTORY. But Fox News would never agree to that. In their eyes, we NEED a huge military to counter those 10,000 raggedy, poorly equipped terrorists.

  • whoever came up with this idea truly gives new meaning to the word FUCKTARD. a better idea would be to cut profit margins on the overpaid, over-profiting cocksuckers pulling the strings.

  • Thats what the right wing nuts wanted to do for the last 8 years. Bankrupt everybody that worked, and than shut everything down and than do away with taxes on the rich and do away with the minimum wage, and pay everybody 2 bucks an hour work 12 hour days with no overtime,and no vacation pay, and no health insurance. Than we would be slaves to the rich just like in the industrial revolution. And than everybody will be happy. neo cons are idiots.

  • More absurdity from FOX.

    I do believe the min wage can be too high.

    But it's not now & where it is now makes it difficult to survive & you certainly can't support a family on it.

  • holy shit this might be the stupidest thing I have seen in at least 3 days.

  • Are they not allowed to report the news ?  Watch ed schultz for a week and try to call that news.

  • This ain't exactly a NEW idea.

    The conserva-nuts have been saying this for the last 70 years.

  • @BlueSkies360

    Yeah, I can tell you're just a troll. After reading your bizarre and unsubstantiated claim that the top 20% of Americans somehow pay out 85% of taxes, I see that you have already answered my earlier question for me. I'm pretty sure you do work for Fox, or probably the Republican party. Mainly because you are using the buzzwords that members of either organization uses. And I definitely don't see how a whopping 50% of working Americans somehow don't pay taxes.

  • how many more would be added to medicaid if they lowered minimum wages ?

    look how many walmart employee are on medicaid now,

  • try selling a car/house to someone making minimum wage LOL, and all of you people from the chamber of commerce how many people do you have as customers that make minimum wage ?

  • So this is supposed to work, but capping CEO pay for bailed out companies is communist? What the.....?!?

  • Fascist idea.

  • The FOX brainwashing is almost complete. I know people who have no money and never will, yet are Republicans.

  • Lower the minimum wage? How will Fox News viewers be able to pay their cable bills and tune in if this occurs?

  • @Towncrier123 Easy. There will be a lot more jobs available, with a lot easier skill and experience requirements. People will have no trouble getting a 2nd job to make up the wage losses, or even a 1st job given the current unemployment rate. What's better, making $5/hour or making $0/hour? Also, think about the unskilled family members. Wives and teenagers who might not have the $7.25/hour of work value necessary to get hired can now get a real easy job for maybe $4/hour a couple hours a week.

  • It's the GOP propaganda arm telling us that America would be better off if Americans were reduced to low wage slaves living under a form of corporate tyranny.

  • Our civilization is based on a base of workers with the money to buy the products of our factories. What we have right now is a civilization based on borrowing to afford the products made by others cheaply. This system has a time limit, an expiration date. Once it is reached there is a general collapse. Last year's mess was but a warning. The big one is still to come.

  • Holy shit lower minimum wage, That is about as socialist as they get, American workers can't compete with Chineese, Only way it would work if they give the people a place to live, Food, health care,Pay there electric ,heat fucking Idiots, How about we put the congress people on a minimum wage income, and see how they make out,

  • I really don't see how rolling back the minimum wage is going to help spur job creation. The recession is being caused by people who used to have the luxury of spending their incomes, curtailing their expenses and saving in response to a collapse in the values of their assets(for most people, that's mainly their house). Paying the people selling them goods and services less may lower the prices of goods, but it's not going to replace those lost assets, nor spur a greater demand for the goods.

  • WWJD

  • @Justwosweet

    What would Justwosweet do? ;-)

  • What if you have a job that you can not afford to go to? How big of help is that? Why not eleimante beck and limbaugh - how skilled is that to have a big fat fucking lyin mouth?

  • blueskies, working as a community organizer is a noble and decent thing to do for people in a community who need assistance.

    on the other hand, sitting in front of a computer and posting inane moronic comments on a YT video board to earn five cents per post demonstrates what a pathetic loser you are.

  • I think he is only online as long as the Public Library is open.

  • @FKASG9SSM  hilarious!! :)

  • The whole discussion on minimum wage is just a distraction from the reality that corporations own the government and will exploit people so the fat cats can make more money. The McDonalds worker making $7/hr isn't the problem. It's the 1% at the top that control 99% of the money that is the problem. Don't let FOX or anyone fool you into thinking that economic problems can be solved so simply. The system is a mess from the top down not from the bottom up.

  • @BlueSkies360

    50 percent (I'll assume your number is correct for argument sake) of people get a return or do not owe on their income taxes. That is not to say that they do not pay taxes. The way taxes work is you pay the taxes through payroll. If your income is low or you have dependents you will get a return from the IRS or you will not owe anything to the IRS.

  • @BlueSkies360

    My point is that it appears you are suggesting that those who are already making the lowest wages should make even less. While the percentage of people with low incomes who get tax returns shouldn't be getting tax returns.

    Is it really that difficult for you to see how this is creating two classes that are moving further away from eachother?

    You're basically promoting corporate slavery.

  • So 50%, although they use most of the services, should NOT pay any taxes? How is that fair? And if they start paying taxes for services they use, how can that make them slaves? BTW... taxes go to the government, not businesses. Are you promoting slavery to the government? The people who pay taxes already work 6 months of the year to pay for the programms that support the 50% who don't.

  • @BlueSkies360

    First of all 50% is the number you came up with. You haven't provided any evidence for this number. The most recent statistics I've seen are roughly 40%.

    Now I'm not saying that people with low incomes or dependents shouldn't have to pay taxes. I'm saying if the solution is to lower minimum wage and raise taxes on the lowest earners then what you are doing is creating a further divide between upper and lower class and eliminately the middle class.

  • "taxes aren't fair"?

    We live in a Capitalist society, you Communist pig. Capitalism isn't fair.

    You want "fair"? Then move to the Soviet Union, commrade!!!!

    Oh thats right, it no longer exists. Take a hint.

  • What the fuck are you talking about?

    If someone hates taxes, they will definitely not like communism.

    Just saying.

  • ???

    You don't pay taxes in the Soviet Union, everyone works for the government. Everyone made the same amount of money, because that's the fair thing to do.

    Capitalism is different, its not Fair. The rich are treated better then the poor. So if you don't like taxes, it means your a Communist.

  • they need to lower the overall cost of rent.

  • Let me repeat this again. You are a shitty business owner. IF you even own a business.

    Whatever employees you have left are dumbfucks. No wonder small businesses get stomped-you hire 2 employee's and you start acting like corporate CEO's.

    Just consider yourself lucky there are people stupid enough to work for you and buy your worthless shit.

    What business are you in, anyway? Telemarketing?

  • IAMtheNewWorldOrder : I am sorry that you are unsuccesful. But there is nothing I can do about that. Take more classes?

  • I agree with Schiff on a lot of issues concerning the economy but the issue of minimum wage doesn't address the cost of living. Yes, lowering minimum wage would create more jobs but what good are these jobs if people cannot afford to live? I'm from NJ. Whether you rent or have a mortgage it's VERY expensive. Between inflation and taxes the cost of living just keeps going up and up. It would be great if we could hire people for $1/hour. Business would flourish but everyone would be broke.

  • How would everyone be broke if businesses would flourish? Businesses are the engine of economy.

  • @BlueSkies360

    I should have worded that better. Assume that minimum wage is lowered. At first businesses would be able to hire more workers and produce more product at a lower cost. Initially the business owners would make more money. However, now you have a workforce made up of people who can no longer afford to live, let alone buy the product. So ultimately the issue is about COST OF LIVING. If we can't afford to live, we can't afford to shop.

  • @BlueSkies360

    So you see I agree with Schiff in regards to inflation and the federal reserve but unless we get our war mongering, money printing, unsustainable empire under control, we can't just lower or abolish minimum wage. People couldn't afford live then.

    Also corporations have already found a way around minimum wage by producing stuff overseas for much cheaper than it would be in America. Why pay an American $7/hr to stitch Nikes when we could exploit third world countries for profit?

  • how many business owners say "thingy"?

    you're an idiot and very bad at being a troll. you won't get your 10 cents per post from the stink-tank now

  • Kata: I said it! You will just have to live with that.

  • Blueskies you are so stupid - you are so worried about redistribution of wealth by creating rights for everyone - you Bernie M is a prime example of how corporate america redistributes the wealth to only a few you dumb fucking red neck asshole. No one should go to jail for robbing becausse that is capitilism in it's finest -

  • Sounds like a lame-ass troll trying to prove a debunked conservative argument...

    Good luck with that..

  • im sure a workplace shooting would be in order if u fired someone after minimum wage went up

    tell me do u have a sign saying "no negro's allowed" would u support that? i mean y not a business owner has a right to hire who ever right?

  • Ok, reality check America:

    These are the people waiting to take over if we vote Obama out of office. These are their IDEAS.

    Oh yes, because if we lower minimum wage then people can work 2 jobs to barely pay their rent instead of one! Brilliant!

    That way, we can keep the MAXIMUM wage EXACTLY where it is. After all, the rich had nothing to do with this, it was all caused by poor people who were being too frivolous with the $7 an hour they made at Burger King.

  • "Lowering minimum wage, so that lower-skilled workers can earn more money."

    Uh, what?!?

    How about increasing the skill of the worker? Wouldn't that help employers (especially in manufacturing) produce more? And how about lowering the wage of the executives of a company? What about taking some of the bonuses that companies give out to executives (oh I don't know maybe folks like Citibank, AIG, etc.) and using those to help pay lower-income employees. Just throwing out ideas here.

  • Are you 12?

  • My guess from reading your many posts is that YOU are a homeless person hanging out at the Public Library playing make-believe in the Internet because we will never know who you really are....YOU do seem to have a LOT of time on your hands for a "successful businessman".

  • my post was directed @ BlueSkies360

  • @BlueSkies360

    No. Do you work for Fox?

  • blueskies is one of those paid posters from a think tank. you can spot them a mile away. the most banal, simplistic, nursery school talking points is all they're capable of spewing

  • Do you work for a communithy organizer?

  • @BlueSkies360

    No. Answer my question, do you work for Fox?

  • "Community Organizer" Another one of those buzz words that get the GOP base all riled up...

    Yep you're definitely a troll...

  • let's start by lowering wages at fox

  • @KataVideo

    LMAO. Indeed!

  • I know, surely Fox News is willing to demonstrate their commitment to our economic well being by lowering their wages.

    Or is spewing batshit crazy opinions on national TV a necessity?

  • Well based on the level of batshit crazy opinions spewing forth from the Fox "News" dittoheads, I would say that must be a primary qualification to be a "news anchor" on the prestigious network.

    :D

  • How about lowering the top wages at insurance companies?

  • Lower the minimum wage?  What the fuck are they talking about? If you lower the minimum wage and the cost of living stays the same then you're just adding to the problem. Unless they have some way of drastically reducing the cost of living in America, lowering the minimum wage is only going to make the poor poorer.

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  • BlueSkies. educate yourself. "College".

  • @blueskies360

    you lie.  you're not an employer.

  • You're a shitty business owner. You deserve to fail.

  • sorry, I have to dissapoint you. I am a great business owner.

  • @blueskies360

    you lie.

    you are not a business owner.

  • Sorry kid:

    I am a great business owner and you are a nobody.

  • @BlueSkies360

    What type of business do you own?

  • @BlueSkies360 minimum wage went up under bush you idiot

  • @nfwvideo We did not talk about your beloved Bush, so shut up.

  • @BlueSkies360 i couldnt stand but i just know mw went up under him not obama

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