Southland Golf Magazine - Hip turns and instruction

[ootietang]

lol hahahahahahhahahahahahhaah welcome to the golf swing....

[MsSmitty13]

Try this with a driver! Good Luck!!!!!

[dorfenwell]

This is very interesting. I have been experimenting with many swings...Peak Performance, Stack and Tilt, Natural Golf, Swing the Club head, Tour Tempo, ect.

Yesterday I decided to do what comes natural to me, which was allowing the right leg to straighten. I was hitting the ball extremely well and consistant. I was pleased to see you have had the same discovery and are teaching it! Mark

[srfin24]

stack and tilt

[fumanchuchi]

SLIIIIICCCCEEEE!!!

[swingtrade2]

um um um um lots of problems, um um

headache!

[zoso56]

1:45 - excellent technique... for crimping one off while standing up

[juicyfruitzy]

welcome to slice city. This will never allow you to draw the ball as it forces the club to the inside too much and releases to the left. Higher handicap players will exaggerate this and slice the ball like crazy. I disagree with this method. Too leaks of power sources.

[eddiebutt1]

who is that nugget with his gimp

[jcthejazzmaster]

i am sorry, what he is describing may 'work' for some people because certain people might avoid bad habits. But for most people, this will generate a reverse pivot. Look at practically any professionals swing and you will see that the coil in their right knee does not let all the torque and power subside until release. this is bad advice, sorry

[Julod78]

Dana and Mike

Good show lads. Took up the newfangled stack and tilt a few months ago. This really helps.

To doubters: Well it doesn't look pretty but it works. My Handicap went from 18 to 11 in six months.

Cheers.

[p01argentina]

PURE stack and tilt !!!

[35kang35]

stack and titlt

[brown547]

Watch the golf channel folks, the majority of all pros will do two things when they swing the club. 1. straighten the right leg, 2. flex the left knee toward the target line. They do this because it purposely avoids a weight shift off the ball. Flexing the right knee and tilting the hips allows ones swing centers to remain over the ball without the rearward shift. In case no one has figured it out, "Duh," this why tour pros are so much more consistent in their ball striking.

[rgmmiller93]

well said brown547!

[juicyfruitzy]

@brown547 that's one way to do it. What you're describing sounds like stack and tilt.

Not all tour pros swing that way. There are many different ways of getting done. What you are talking about is something I've seen Zach Johnson, Aaron Baddeley and many other tour pros do. Not everyone tour player swings that way. Tiger has a slight flex in his right knee. Not incorrect by me depending of other factors.

[NikeGolf118]

@brown547 I disagree. As noted by Butch Harmon in working with tour Pros Nick Watney and Phil Mickelson, keeping flex in the right knee is key during the swing. When the flex gives out, it is a power killer. There is no pro of significance who straightens the right knee, if they do, it is because of just that--they are a tour pro. The stack and tilt method for amateurs will cause a reverse weight shift--especially without a proper teacher to guide them.

[kdcc103]

Looking at both swings right now and neither one of them are doing what you speak of. Both have extremely level hips and shoulders are in excellent rotation to the spine angle. Also, especially Moe, his left shoulder is very high compared to your teachings and this allows the club to stay shallow and around the core. If you spent any time with Moe (and I have) you would know that your explanation is very misrepresentational.

[kdcc103]

Guys I have to tell you. Sam Snead is rolling over in his grave. The best teachers in the world do not adhere to this. Nick Faldo, Karrie Webb, Tom Kite, Justin Leonard, Annika Sorenstam, Jim Furyk and the list goes on all get behind the golf ball due to the use of posting up on the right leg and instituting a level hip turn. Guys, a steep over the top motion isn't going to help anyone. If you are PGA guys aren't you supposed to make this game simpler not more difficult?

[brown547]

Actually, what they are teaching in video, will make the game simpler. The problem is that modern golf instruction. Instructors are frustrating a lot of people up by teaching a "one size fits all" 2 plane swing with the rear weight shift off the ball and back on it.

Alot of teaching pros don't have a clue as to how to teach one plane mechanics mainly because it goes against how they have been taught to teach people.

[zero123456789ten]

folks, this is stack-n-tilt.

[bobgsearch]

to all those who object to the recommendations, keep in mind that there are many different theories or ways golf club swings can be executed. every few years another "true theory" comes on the scene. One should be tolerant of different techniques. I just wonder if this technique could be used as effectively with a driver, since this technique emphasizes the hitting down aspect of the swing.

[KalaniSurf]

Technically speaking, perhaps the worst advice you could give to an amateur! Watch the student on his downswing as he is WAY above his backswing plane on the downswing...the clubhead would've imparted a left-to-right sidespin banana slice...also the teacher should take a public speaking class...to many "umms" and contradicts himself by explaining that he is on a much flatter plan, but much steeper? huh?, that is polar opposite. Please don't insult our intelligence with this poor advice.

[trapsmv9]

Hogan was UNDER, then ON plane in the downswing, and he never hit a banana slice. There's no technical reason people can't do things with different patterns (swings), even with less practice.

This said, that also appears to be a CP swing. (Dana has since admitted he is rusty, too.) Love the sound of compression at the end. Solid. =)

[KalaniSurf]

Hogan gave excellent advice & was indeed ON plane, however Mike & Dana in the video above promote a left-to-right, watch Mike's ballstrike at the end of the video...its heading right (slice, not a push or a block...but a SLICE!)...I am a voracious reader of Hogan and he NEVER, EVER promoted a "steeper" plane on the downswing...he was ALWAYS UNDER, then ON plane as you put it. Still wondering if Mike & Dana truly understand the bad advice they are giving to the weekend amateur.

[trapsmv9]

Isolating the action of the hips in the downswing, as the title of the video does state, seems to be what they want to teach. The fact that they hit a mid-low cut (which is what I meant by CP) doesn't mean that the hip action for a high draw is really much, or any, different.

I guess it's part semantics and part that you don't like the action of the upper body at the end? Fair enough, but I still don't think it'll hurt a golfer to hit down and in front of the ball in this manner.

[KalaniSurf]

I still disagree...most CW promotes a smooth level hip turn, with a tilt at the waist. By straightening your knees as these guys suggest, it leaves amateurs in a "non-athletic" position thereby resulting in a possible hanging back /reverse pivot slice. Look at the footage closely, its not a mid-low cut...its a slice. Showing how to hit a fade is fine, but this swing has much more downside than upside for the weekend golfer. Balanced and smooth will always win out over straight and abrupt.

[ddahlquist]

Kalani,

Thanks for looking at the video. Having a on plane swing is what we teach if you happen to look at our students video's. The leg we are talking about does not have anything to do with the shaft being over the baseline plane on the downswing. I was hitting a cut shot and Mike was hitting a draw in the video, the balls crossed.

[nesbie]

Lies lies lies!!! That's the worse swing I've seen and right leg straight? WTF!?!?

You don't work for Callaway and the other guy probably just purchased a camera and decided to try it out at the golf course...

[trapsmv9]

Watch video of Hogan and Moe Norman... What did their right legs look like?

[foundt]

hahhaa this is the best!

[alanceh]

what happens when i'm in the right tree line off the tee and I'm forced to hit a draw around a tree and I have to try to incorporate your idiot pivot?

[juicyfruitzy]

right knee straightening up????

that equals loss of power.

Your advice is bad. I stopped listening after that point.

[Roxiedice]

Hmmm.... I wonder what Andy and Mike would think of that explanation. Not good.

[Jimbojangles]

hmm, sit down, have a cup of tea, then try again

[shyamvijay123]

thanks.. was really looking to see how the 'new' tour swing works! off to practice now

[mattmuz01]

well thats crap, the left knee is well out on the downswing... and too much lateral body body movement aswell..! might work for you 2, but new golfers would hook/slice all day.