I wan't you to honestly tell me that work ethic is either the same or better than it was 20 years ago, 30 years ago, 40 years ago, 50 years ago. Nobody spends "billions of dollars a years" on "political consulting agencies." Slave labor was the way of the world around the time this country was founded and its funny you should mention it because it was the at the time political left who fought to keep it while "right wing extremists" fought to abolish it.
@Vlaxitov 50 years ago? Apartheid, Irish Need Not Apply, and fear of a Catholic president. 20? I grew up in the rust belt, so you're barking up the wrong tree there. Slave labor was the way of the NEW World when the U.S. was founded.... already illegal to practice in most of Europe, and militarily opposed by much of it. Royal opposition to the colonial slave trade provided much of the impetus to rebel (see "molasses tax").
@TheCarruths Half of my family is Apache Irish from VA, so I guess were both just barking. If you actually look at the abolition timeline, slavery was not already illegal to practice in most of europe during the founding of the US. As a matter of fact, many of the original colonies fall right in line or are ahead of europe in abolition legislation. For example, the oh so progressive french outlaw slavery in 1794 then they re-legalize it in 1804.
That they imagine the government will help them in their cause is the only stupid thing I've heard from the Occupiers. I haven't followed it closely, but it's what stood out to me.
I live in a 30 ft. travel trailer. My 1 gal. water jugs r frozen. I don't wanna change clothes, 'til the sun warms stuff up. So, I work in a bathrobe most mornings. I LOVE your arguments in this! SPOT ON! Good job!
The truth is that work isn't the right thing to focus on. What does work give us? Connection to the system and the illusion of influence. The currency we need for using the system for our own enjoyment. The opportunity to gain social status and rank. The opportunity to display competency to others.
Now take all those things and imagine a society where NONE of them come from "work" or a "job".
Ouch on ze punch line!! The irony is lost ( it was stolen last year by a drunken student).
Meanwhile in the uk.... If you can't find a job ( because there are none) you will have to work for 20% of minimum wage, for a private company of course... How did Mussolini define it again? ;)
...available for consumption were almost entirely the direct result of human labor. Now, however, the goods available for consumption are almost entirely produced with extraneous (i.e., nonhuman) energy. Thus, less human labor is needed to produce more goods, yet the only way for someone to obtain consumption rights is through purchasing power which in turn, is usually only obtainable through labor. In other words, because we now have an abundance of finished goods, there is never enough...
According to most self-styled "conservatives," who are actually economic liberals, the great invisible hand of the market does reward people appropriately for their work. At one point, that may have been true. You're probably familiar with the fact that before 1800, about 98% of all physical work was done by humans. After 1920, machine work accounted for >98% and that has continued to rise. The implication here is that prior to 1800, since humans did virtually all of the work, the goods..[cont.]
I can't believe the comments below, you mean the American dream and the music and film industry
cardellacole4 3 months ago
Good point.
goonsnak2k 3 months ago
I wan't you to honestly tell me that work ethic is either the same or better than it was 20 years ago, 30 years ago, 40 years ago, 50 years ago. Nobody spends "billions of dollars a years" on "political consulting agencies." Slave labor was the way of the world around the time this country was founded and its funny you should mention it because it was the at the time political left who fought to keep it while "right wing extremists" fought to abolish it.
Vlaxitov 3 months ago
@Vlaxitov 50 years ago? Apartheid, Irish Need Not Apply, and fear of a Catholic president. 20? I grew up in the rust belt, so you're barking up the wrong tree there. Slave labor was the way of the NEW World when the U.S. was founded.... already illegal to practice in most of Europe, and militarily opposed by much of it. Royal opposition to the colonial slave trade provided much of the impetus to rebel (see "molasses tax").
TheCarruths 3 months ago
@TheCarruths Half of my family is Apache Irish from VA, so I guess were both just barking. If you actually look at the abolition timeline, slavery was not already illegal to practice in most of europe during the founding of the US. As a matter of fact, many of the original colonies fall right in line or are ahead of europe in abolition legislation. For example, the oh so progressive french outlaw slavery in 1794 then they re-legalize it in 1804.
Vlaxitov 3 months ago
That they imagine the government will help them in their cause is the only stupid thing I've heard from the Occupiers. I haven't followed it closely, but it's what stood out to me.
msa1985 3 months ago
oh my god I love you so fucking much!
SassiBoB 3 months ago
Disturbing... (not you in the bathrobe)
Arbeit macht frei!
DackIsBack 3 months ago
I live in a 30 ft. travel trailer. My 1 gal. water jugs r frozen. I don't wanna change clothes, 'til the sun warms stuff up. So, I work in a bathrobe most mornings. I LOVE your arguments in this! SPOT ON! Good job!
rriverstone1 3 months ago
The truth is that work isn't the right thing to focus on. What does work give us? Connection to the system and the illusion of influence. The currency we need for using the system for our own enjoyment. The opportunity to gain social status and rank. The opportunity to display competency to others.
Now take all those things and imagine a society where NONE of them come from "work" or a "job".
A.G.
AussieGriffin 3 months ago
Under-compensated? You’re just not putting enough of your back into it! Concentrate, now, workers.
Arbeit macht frei!
SecularAstronomer 3 months ago
Zeitgeist Moving Forward
RewardHonesty 3 months ago
...purchasing power to keep cyclical consumption going without large market oscillations and dislocations.
AceObrin 3 months ago
Ouch on ze punch line!! The irony is lost ( it was stolen last year by a drunken student).
Meanwhile in the uk.... If you can't find a job ( because there are none) you will have to work for 20% of minimum wage, for a private company of course... How did Mussolini define it again? ;)
gratex 3 months ago
...available for consumption were almost entirely the direct result of human labor. Now, however, the goods available for consumption are almost entirely produced with extraneous (i.e., nonhuman) energy. Thus, less human labor is needed to produce more goods, yet the only way for someone to obtain consumption rights is through purchasing power which in turn, is usually only obtainable through labor. In other words, because we now have an abundance of finished goods, there is never enough...
AceObrin 3 months ago
According to most self-styled "conservatives," who are actually economic liberals, the great invisible hand of the market does reward people appropriately for their work. At one point, that may have been true. You're probably familiar with the fact that before 1800, about 98% of all physical work was done by humans. After 1920, machine work accounted for >98% and that has continued to rise. The implication here is that prior to 1800, since humans did virtually all of the work, the goods..[cont.]
AceObrin 3 months ago
That's hilarious. They steal from us and tell us that we just don't work hard enough.
DivergentMind 3 months ago