An offer to surrender is to be ALWAYS accepted - it's from a group of fighters to another, all men who should know what fighting means. and that guy with an umbrella... where does he think to be,on the Strand??!!! Typical english snotty behaviour
This is one of my favourite war scenes. However, is there a scene from the same film/event where they are asked to surrender and they reply by opening a massive volley of fire?
I'm American, but i love this movie. It gives you a picture of how god awful stubborn the British were, not submitting to Germany when fighting alone, and not giving up a damn bridge when tired and outnumbered.
@spokesey55 Patton was an american with an ego and someone who didn't like the english. There is no secret that Patton didn't like english people, that american VS english thing. BUT, Patton was not responsible for Market Garden. I believe he opposed it, as did many others.
Murdering bastards. Watching the footage of that priest in Derry wave the blood-stained handkerchief at you people while the Irishmen next to him carried a dying Irish child stirs up more emotion than any of you people could conceive of. At least your current Prime Minister had the honour to say sorry. Derek Wilford and the rest should have been imprisoned in 1972. To see people here glorify the murder of innocent Irish people by the Parachute Regiment is repulsive on an ineffable scale.
@essertpitay It's documented in Cornellius Ryan's book of the same name. Not sure it went down quite like this but the English officer certainly mistook the gesture. My favourite quote from the book, not shown in the film, after a ceiling had collapsed and a wash basin fell into the room by Frost's feet. He looked up and said "My god they're even throwing the kitchen sink at us!"
No - this is a fictionalized account of something that did happen nearby though.
Frost's HQ was not near the bridge. He received a surrender request from a Brit POW sent by the Germans. Frost had no intention of surrendering, and the POW broke his oath to return and stayed to fight at the battle again.
Nearby though to the north east of the bridge there was a Royal Engineers Captain with a troop holding a large building. He made the similar exchange this scene is based on.
The person you might like to research on, was actually a very bizarre humoured Brit soldier that exactly puzzled the Germans who spoke with him like in this movie; he described his role in the battle> and adventurous escape from captivity. His name was Captain Eric Mackay of the Royal Engineers.
I hate Bernard Law Montgomery for what he did to these brave men. He basically wasted the 1st Parachute Division. He also wasted the Polish paratroopers, causing them, also, to be nearly destroyed. This plan was shite. There was one, I repeat one, road for Guards Armored to reach these men. No way it was going to happen before they were lost.
@lebarosky He was an englishman with an ego and someone who was in constant battering with Patton. That, together with political stupidity paved the way for the disaster. People can argue this ALL day long, but his rivalry with Patton wasted the lives of these men. Monty felt he needed to be better than Patton. He had to have all the glory. Monty resided in another realm, namely in that of his ego. It not only clouded his judgment but, IMMHO, suspended common military sense.
Actually- the Allies had a miracle in capturing Nijmegen bridge intact - it was amazing bravery that tanks went across suicidally- expecting the bridge to blow up at any moment.
The operation had a chance of succeeding at that point- because in fact, the road from Nijmegen to Arnhem was almost completely undefended. Patton would have thrown his tanks ahead at that decisive moment. It was bizarre that the bravery in going across a bridge set to blow was followed by hesitant caution.
@slizzler1 Perhaps, perhaps, but not very likely. I have played numerous simulations of this plan. Almost impossible to do what you say, because the axis of advance is basically a causeway bordered by polders for much of its length. 82nd AB, I believe, (Gen. Gavin's Division) was lucky to take the Nijmegen bridge using an improvised coup de main. But, after that, sir, the axis could be defended by one 88 supported by a couple of heavy machine guns for half a day. And then another, etc.
Playing game simulations is different from the freak opportunities that arise in actual combat. Board games and computer AI do not account for these illogical circumstances. In a game, an Allied player would rush the highway with at least a Recce force to see if anything was hiding in a very apparently empty way ahead.
I wonder IF in hindsight the Brit 1st airborne should have dropped north of Nijmegen - to make a combo attack with the 82nd
@slizzler1 Have tried almost every conceivable iteration of drop zones. Tried something like that. Tried using the Poles to help out N of Nij. If you have seen the ground I bow to your superior knowledge. But, basically, I think we have nothing to argue about.
From what I understand of the ground at that time, some of it was considered too marshy for gliders and other areas around cities were too full off AA defences.
I wasn't arguing....
I was speculating - like all good armchair military history analysts have fun doing. Not every conflicting idea needs to be considered argument or hostile confrontation- in my opinion.
@slizzler1 No I haven't played any MG scenarios on newer programs except TOAW3. I played on another computer sim but for the life of me cannot recall it. It had a Crusader scenario, MG, and a few others. Wish I could recall the game.
The one I mentioned actually goes back a few years ago- it's an easy learning curve but with a poor defensive AI if you play as German attackers. Playing as allied attackers is a very good challenge- the German counter attacking is good in the Arnhem sector scenarios.
@squamish4244 -It's such a great scene that it's almost criminal to ruin it by saying that's not how it happened. According to Major Frost (Hopkins in this film) a captured British soldier was sent by the Germans to suggest that Frost meet with the Germans to discuss their surrender. "Tell them to go to hell' he told the soldier. "Do I really have to go back?" asked the soldier. "No, you can stay, I think they'll get the message" replied Frost. This bit of the film really pissed Frost off.
No matter what video I watch, Im always astounded by how quick and pleased commenters are to viciously destroy eachother over all matters big and small.
No matter what video I watch, Im always astounded by how quick and pleased commenters are to viciously destroy eachother over all matters big and small.
In the interests of not glorifying war and keeping Market-Garden's horrors endured realistic, there was in the 1st Airborne Division main positions In the Oosterbeek perimeter actually a house where not just a few Brit soldiers had had enough of the battle and didn't want to fight anymore. Many could be described as suffering from shell-shock. The movie a bridge too far barely touches on the massive weight of bombardment the Germans used -> nor 30 Corps own devastating arty support
A friend of my dad's fought with Frost's Battalion, he was in a house just below the bridge..not sure if it was the house depicted in this scene but it was certainly nearby. He said that when they were captured by the SS they all expected to be lined up and shot, but the German troops shook their hands, gave them captured 'Players' cigarettes and congratulated them on a 'good fight, ja?'.
@timmittytim My dad had a great uncle in the Scots Guards. He fought at Anzio. The battle was famous for a counter-attack by the Germans that nearly pushed the Allies back into the sea. My dad's great uncle was very badly wounded & ended up in a large foxhole. All of a sudden German soldiers started piling into the hole with him. They bandaged him up. Upon retreating, the Germans left him cigarettes & chocolate. Just regular German troops, definitely not SS or Nazis, helping out a fellow human.
Well now it's probably the German's turn to laugh. "My general says there is no point in continuing this [rioting]. He would like to [arrange some assistance for you]." " We don't have the proper facilities to [stop all this rioting]."
@RedStarRogue If ABTF fails to strike the appropriate mood with you, then I would recommend seeking out a film called "Theirs Is the Glory." This movie about Arnhem used to get shown in Australia on every ANZAC Day because of its analogy to the heroic defeat at Gallipoli. Although I've not seen it for 35 years, I recall that it was rather a grim accounting of the actual events and not easily forgotten either. One of the best post war movies made by the Brits in my view.
WWII films these days sorta lack that dedication to portraying actual events and people from both sides of the conflict. The Longest Day and A Bridge too Far also had nearly every A-list actor involved as well. Maybe the closest we have these days is Flags of our Fathers and Letters from Iwo Jima, but they still aren't based on anything Cornelius Ryan wrote. I think someone has to do a film based on his book The Last Battle. The Ryan trilogy must be completed!
"One does not plan and then try to make the circumstances fit those plans One tries to make plans fit circumstances. I think the difference between success and failure in high command depends on the ability, or lack of it, to do just that."
@slizzler1 The SS units with low unit numbers were the best of that corps. Higher numbered waffen SS were typically made up of foreign volunteers who were unable to join the regular German army. They were not generally well armed or had any special training. However to compare them with Al Qa'ida is stretching things a bit.
Try this one "Highway to the Reich" - not the greatest A.I engine for a military opponent, but it is really very good.... it's kind of old now though, but still great play; if you like it then play-by-mail is possible I think.
Someone ought to write a properly programmable Arnhem/Mkt Garden Strat Game. Microsoft bought out a pretty good one about 10 years ago - but far too rigid game-play. Anyway Sliz, old man. Pleasure chatting to you.
@constablenapweed I used to play Close Combat: A Bridge Too Far all the time back in the day. Man that was fun. I probably have the CD somewhere, dunno if it will play on modern computers though.
@HenryvKeiper We actually used to use Close Combat Russian Front to teach our young officers the principles of Platoon tactics; use of ground, fire support, manouvre etc :-). ..then go out on the training area and do it with a real platoon! BTW, not sure why mine and Sliz's conversation got so many negative votes (YT have now hidden our posts), perhaps we weren't trolly enough?
"not sure why mine and Sliz's conversation got so many negative votes (YT have now hidden our posts), "
Yes- Strategic wargames are mind-progressive.
re- trolls> Our civilized society has anti-social deviants who are too weak to fit in as functioning and capable citizens. That is why they sneak around incognito wreaking as much mayhem and childish activities [like trolls]; their way of angrily lashing out at society that has no use for them and which ignores deviant chimps.
@constablenapweed - If you go to 'Abandonia' and download the V for Victory series it has an excellent battalion level Market Garden. Also in the series are the D-Day simulations for Utah and Gold-Juno-Sword as well as one modelling the battle for Velikye Luki on the eastern front. You can run these on a modern computer using the 'DOS box' application also available at the same site. These are just the shot for hard-core gamers like myself and I recommend them highly. Best of all, it's free.
@stephaniebrugel you wouldn't exist without the english to begin with, let alone the french...so calm down (:
if you refer to the war of independence then you should know that it was actually english people fighting english people, that's right, even the southerner himself (from the old dominion, Virginia) George Washington, said "fighting for the right of every englishman", perhaps you should study your countries history a bit more before hitting "post" ?
@stephaniebrugel You are such a troll. But I'm leaving your comment to let people know that I, an American myself, display the idiocy of everyone equally.
@stephaniebrugel & @HenryvKeiper: it s hard NOT to start insulting such retards. just to let you both know: there are a lot germans who feel grateful for the sacrifice of the allied troops and who feel the shame and burden of two unjust wars. i personally often go to henry chapelle cemetry to pay hommage to YOUR heroes - god bless america and all your soldiers in harms way so f***heads like stephanie may rant on
It is based on two incidents during that battle though.
The surrender request was brought by a Brit airborne POW who promised to return to German Lines. He didn't bother returning after delivering the message. He chose to fight again.
There was the incident of a Brit engineer platoon commander in a fortified building near the bridge telling Germans who asked his unit about surrendering, who replied he had no room for German prisoners.
@slizzler1 It's British Paras, but all i remember is this magnificent continuous shot of them fighting accross the bridge with explosions in the water etc. It might be a different film though. :P
@HenryvKeiper Cos I've seen the same actor playing in alot of Dutch movies. and besides, he doesnt have a German accent, I know cos im Dutch myself, and I reconised his Dutch accent from the start :)
@europachef british there were welsh scottish irish regements in the british army m8,during ww1 a scottish regeiment led the charge at the first day of the Somme and welsh regiments were the last to be evacuated at dunkirk
But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.
They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.
Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.
What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?
Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.
The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.
@MrCromwellsGhost Even after the British beat Napoleon, they were effectively beaten at Plattsburgh and Baltimore. The war was a draw for both sides, and need not have been fought. The only good reason we had for being pissed off with the English is that they were enslaving our sailors.
@ericvandenhaas humour is the entire basis of English culture, the ability to joke even though the situation, as in the case, was most grim. Regarding some of the comments made here, well....more dumb talk from agenda-filled arm-chair generals hell bent on making the rest of the world as stupid and simple minded as themselves, spreading both disinformation, ignorance and blatant lies with abandon.
If you actually read Cornelius Ryan's book 'A Bridge Too Far', you would know the facts; ie, that this movie scene is pure fantasy. There was no funny joking going on in the intense 4 day battle at the bridge. The battle was a raging inferno from start to grisly finish.
Only chumps with no capability to read real historical accounts [ ie, too lazy] will show up here with delusional ideas that WW2 battles was a constant joke to British soldiers.
It truly was an operation that was jinxed from the start really. I could list many...but, we're all familiar with what went wrong from ignored intel, to supplies being dropped in the wrong areas etc....
@Chaosmarine1 History, like life in general, is not en exact science. Heck, even science isn't exact! Many of today's academic conventions with regard to history, in fact with regard to almost anything, will be ridiculed tomorrow. Therefore it is perhaps naive to treat what you have been told about history as gospel. And so the endless movement of progress will continue. Or will it?
@kenns9 The Scottish and the Welsh may lack a sense of humour but in my experience the English doesn't, your experience with the English may be different.
@EJLSWE The German response was also so stereotypically straightforward that it actually kind of adds to the hilarity: their not amused in the slightest. It's so what you would expect...
@phatmonk6195 Technically no. IRL, the Germans sent a British POW over to deliver the demand for surrender. The British officer said no, but the POW decided to stay with them rather than give the message back to the Germans :)
@HenryvKeiper The guy who said that they didn't have the space to accept the surrender was Captain Mackay and he said it to a german. Frost was in a different place and it was PoW who asked him to surrender. Mackay was on the other side of the bridge.
@guywith3 I think you misunderstood the scene. The Germans were not surrendering. They were calling on the British to surrender. Rather than simply refuse, the Brits decided to fuck with them.
@slizzler1 too funny he just said nuts, and left came back hours later and the germans were still there and said wat do i say, and the other guy whos rank i forget was just like "i liked ur first answer" thts hilarious!
I watched an interview with the british soilder who has the umbrella. At the time time they asked him did he really do that and why. His answer was he was crap at remembering passwords at checkpoints and what bloody nazi would be carrying a umbrella and it worked. This is one of the best scenes from the film I think and always makes me chuckle to watch it.
This scene makes me SO proud to be British. We can say fuck off in way that seems to leave peoples of other nations confused. Plus we are ridiculously stubborn and we always stick to the four golden principles: Honor, Dignity, Family, and Valor. You will never meet anyone quite like us
The scene is totally fictional. That did not happen at all- the movie played up with make believe humour scenes for people like you; but if you read the book, the fact is that this movie scene did not happen, In fact the initial surrender was sent by the Germans through a Brit POW who promised to return with an answer.
from the Brit HQ where Frost met him [not next to the bridge -but close though] . The Brit prisoner broke his promise and decided to stay and fight.
I can also cite British airborne witness accounts in which there were instances in the fighting where Brit-Airborne soldiers did some acts that were not about honor/ dignity/ valour.
'Pride before the Fall'
Read history books rather than outrightly believe Hollywood recreations of history events.
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An offer to surrender is to be ALWAYS accepted - it's from a group of fighters to another, all men who should know what fighting means. and that guy with an umbrella... where does he think to be,on the Strand??!!! Typical english snotty behaviour
Gheorgyi 1 day ago
Favourite scene right here. "Is there anything else?" LOL. Laughed so hard
911Legomaster 1 week ago
when they shoot there gun it sounds like BEEP
armyevan101 1 week ago
"Was there anything else?" Classic!
goatboyful 3 weeks ago
the look on Mathius's face is brilliant when the surrender is rejected.
xance1 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
This is one of my favourite war scenes. However, is there a scene from the same film/event where they are asked to surrender and they reply by opening a massive volley of fire?
SGTGerman 2 months ago
epic win
tommid08 2 months ago
Arnhiem Auslöschen
Stevezom 3 months ago
i love that last line. 'Flatten Arnhem'. LOL
TheAdam159 3 months ago
Flatten Arnhem!
wolfff77 3 months ago
willi bittrich is my grand-granduncle =)
Nice movie, greetings from Germany
Nachtweystudios 3 months ago 6
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Google "PARACHUTE 2 CLUB". Genuine comments and photos from guys who have served in 2 PARA,
Whatever81417 3 months ago
I never tire of the Digby line. It's fantastic.
DarkingGirl 3 months ago
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Haha The Look on the German Soldier's face is priceless at such a classic British response to the surrender! "What?" haha simply priceless!
You have to admire such courage!
Vonstadt 3 months ago
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I'm American, but i love this movie. It gives you a picture of how god awful stubborn the British were, not submitting to Germany when fighting alone, and not giving up a damn bridge when tired and outnumbered.
Trashcansam123 3 months ago
@spokesey55 Patton was an american with an ego and someone who didn't like the english. There is no secret that Patton didn't like english people, that american VS english thing. BUT, Patton was not responsible for Market Garden. I believe he opposed it, as did many others.
EJLSWE 3 months ago
Remeber Lt. Cornish? I don't remember what happened to that character, but he was based off Eric Mackay, who survived in real life.
Trashcansam123 4 months ago
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its so british 0.30 onwards :)
19james89 4 months ago
I was Rolling on the floor loughing my ass of when i first saw this! Thumbs up if you did also!
jonagal 4 months ago
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Murdering bastards. Watching the footage of that priest in Derry wave the blood-stained handkerchief at you people while the Irishmen next to him carried a dying Irish child stirs up more emotion than any of you people could conceive of. At least your current Prime Minister had the honour to say sorry. Derek Wilford and the rest should have been imprisoned in 1972. To see people here glorify the murder of innocent Irish people by the Parachute Regiment is repulsive on an ineffable scale.
DrStrangelove0101 4 months ago
Did this exchange of niceties really took place ?
essertpitay 4 months ago
@essertpitay It's documented in Cornellius Ryan's book of the same name. Not sure it went down quite like this but the English officer certainly mistook the gesture. My favourite quote from the book, not shown in the film, after a ceiling had collapsed and a wash basin fell into the room by Frost's feet. He looked up and said "My god they're even throwing the kitchen sink at us!"
chiefmungomartin 4 months ago 12
@chiefmungomartin I must get the book.
essertpitay 3 months ago
@chiefmungomartin
yes- I wonder if they didn't put that sink scene in the movie because of fear it wouldn't be believed.
As for the surrender scene- it is pure fiction;
Check this Arnhem clip for real facts-
watch?v=WgG0rBvBD74
slizzler1 3 months ago
@essertpitay
No - this is a fictionalized account of something that did happen nearby though.
Frost's HQ was not near the bridge. He received a surrender request from a Brit POW sent by the Germans. Frost had no intention of surrendering, and the POW broke his oath to return and stayed to fight at the battle again.
Nearby though to the north east of the bridge there was a Royal Engineers Captain with a troop holding a large building. He made the similar exchange this scene is based on.
slizzler1 3 months ago
@essertpitay
The person you might like to research on, was actually a very bizarre humoured Brit soldier that exactly puzzled the Germans who spoke with him like in this movie; he described his role in the battle> and adventurous escape from captivity. His name was Captain Eric Mackay of the Royal Engineers.
see this clip; watch?v=WgG0rBvBD74
slizzler1 3 months ago
1:04 Come at me bro, I will take you on with my umbrella.
AngryWTF 4 months ago
I hate Bernard Law Montgomery for what he did to these brave men. He basically wasted the 1st Parachute Division. He also wasted the Polish paratroopers, causing them, also, to be nearly destroyed. This plan was shite. There was one, I repeat one, road for Guards Armored to reach these men. No way it was going to happen before they were lost.
lebarosky 5 months ago
@lebarosky He was an englishman with an ego and someone who was in constant battering with Patton. That, together with political stupidity paved the way for the disaster. People can argue this ALL day long, but his rivalry with Patton wasted the lives of these men. Monty felt he needed to be better than Patton. He had to have all the glory. Monty resided in another realm, namely in that of his ego. It not only clouded his judgment but, IMMHO, suspended common military sense.
EJLSWE 5 months ago 4
@lebarosky
Actually- the Allies had a miracle in capturing Nijmegen bridge intact - it was amazing bravery that tanks went across suicidally- expecting the bridge to blow up at any moment.
The operation had a chance of succeeding at that point- because in fact, the road from Nijmegen to Arnhem was almost completely undefended. Patton would have thrown his tanks ahead at that decisive moment. It was bizarre that the bravery in going across a bridge set to blow was followed by hesitant caution.
slizzler1 3 months ago
@slizzler1 Perhaps, perhaps, but not very likely. I have played numerous simulations of this plan. Almost impossible to do what you say, because the axis of advance is basically a causeway bordered by polders for much of its length. 82nd AB, I believe, (Gen. Gavin's Division) was lucky to take the Nijmegen bridge using an improvised coup de main. But, after that, sir, the axis could be defended by one 88 supported by a couple of heavy machine guns for half a day. And then another, etc.
lebarosky 3 months ago
@lebarosky
Yes- I did say 'had a chance'.
Playing game simulations is different from the freak opportunities that arise in actual combat. Board games and computer AI do not account for these illogical circumstances. In a game, an Allied player would rush the highway with at least a Recce force to see if anything was hiding in a very apparently empty way ahead.
I wonder IF in hindsight the Brit 1st airborne should have dropped north of Nijmegen - to make a combo attack with the 82nd
slizzler1 3 months ago
@slizzler1 Have tried almost every conceivable iteration of drop zones. Tried something like that. Tried using the Poles to help out N of Nij. If you have seen the ground I bow to your superior knowledge. But, basically, I think we have nothing to argue about.
lebarosky 3 months ago
@lebarosky
From what I understand of the ground at that time, some of it was considered too marshy for gliders and other areas around cities were too full off AA defences.
I wasn't arguing....
I was speculating - like all good armchair military history analysts have fun doing. Not every conflicting idea needs to be considered argument or hostile confrontation- in my opinion.
;)
slizzler1 3 months ago
@lebarosky
Have you played the Market Garden computer simulation game > Highway to the Reich
I think you'll love it.
slizzler1 3 months ago
@slizzler1 No I haven't played any MG scenarios on newer programs except TOAW3. I played on another computer sim but for the life of me cannot recall it. It had a Crusader scenario, MG, and a few others. Wish I could recall the game.
lebarosky 3 months ago
@lebarosky
I don't recall that one.
The one I mentioned actually goes back a few years ago- it's an easy learning curve but with a poor defensive AI if you play as German attackers. Playing as allied attackers is a very good challenge- the German counter attacking is good in the Arnhem sector scenarios.
slizzler1 3 months ago
If that exchange took place pretty much as described, well, it's funny and badass at the same time.
squamish4244 5 months ago 5
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@squamish4244 -It's such a great scene that it's almost criminal to ruin it by saying that's not how it happened. According to Major Frost (Hopkins in this film) a captured British soldier was sent by the Germans to suggest that Frost meet with the Germans to discuss their surrender. "Tell them to go to hell' he told the soldier. "Do I really have to go back?" asked the soldier. "No, you can stay, I think they'll get the message" replied Frost. This bit of the film really pissed Frost off.
Biggus63 4 months ago
@Biggus63 It's too bad they changed it, it would have been just as dramatic that way!
squamish4244 4 months ago
No matter what video I watch, Im always astounded by how quick and pleased commenters are to viciously destroy eachother over all matters big and small.
tombeenken 5 months ago
No matter what video I watch, Im always astounded by how quick and pleased commenters are to viciously destroy eachother over all matters big and small.
tombeenken 5 months ago
A veteran of the SS I saw in a documentary about Market Garden said, "They knew how to fight, there wasn't a single mommy's boys amongst them!"
Anders2185 6 months ago 18
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@Anders2185
In the interests of not glorifying war and keeping Market-Garden's horrors endured realistic, there was in the 1st Airborne Division main positions In the Oosterbeek perimeter actually a house where not just a few Brit soldiers had had enough of the battle and didn't want to fight anymore. Many could be described as suffering from shell-shock. The movie a bridge too far barely touches on the massive weight of bombardment the Germans used -> nor 30 Corps own devastating arty support
slizzler1 3 months ago
A friend of my dad's fought with Frost's Battalion, he was in a house just below the bridge..not sure if it was the house depicted in this scene but it was certainly nearby. He said that when they were captured by the SS they all expected to be lined up and shot, but the German troops shook their hands, gave them captured 'Players' cigarettes and congratulated them on a 'good fight, ja?'.
Respect to all who fought.
timmittytim 6 months ago in playlist timmittytim's Favourited Videos 69
@timmittytim
check out this Arnhem clip;
watch?v=WgG0rBvBD74
and feel free to send me the complete details of that war story; I am very interested in veterans accounts.
slizzler1 3 months ago
@timmittytim
thanks for posting this! I hope that this will show certain "uneducated people" that germans weren't all hate and brutal killing.
loocsiyeltsakcir 2 months ago 2
@timmittytim My dad had a great uncle in the Scots Guards. He fought at Anzio. The battle was famous for a counter-attack by the Germans that nearly pushed the Allies back into the sea. My dad's great uncle was very badly wounded & ended up in a large foxhole. All of a sudden German soldiers started piling into the hole with him. They bandaged him up. Upon retreating, the Germans left him cigarettes & chocolate. Just regular German troops, definitely not SS or Nazis, helping out a fellow human.
glasfurd31 1 month ago
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"Was there anything else?" Howe utterly British! I love it! :D
solbergsindre 6 months ago in playlist solbergsindre sine favorittvideoer
Cornelious Ryan was never there.....try reading the John frost book instead.
icycoldfrost 6 months ago
Was there anything else, standing there with an umbrella - so darn English
knut761 6 months ago 49
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"Was there anything else" - I love that, so British.
tdcpm27 6 months ago
Well now it's probably the German's turn to laugh. "My general says there is no point in continuing this [rioting]. He would like to [arrange some assistance for you]." " We don't have the proper facilities to [stop all this rioting]."
historyman9 7 months ago
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@RedStarRogue If ABTF fails to strike the appropriate mood with you, then I would recommend seeking out a film called "Theirs Is the Glory." This movie about Arnhem used to get shown in Australia on every ANZAC Day because of its analogy to the heroic defeat at Gallipoli. Although I've not seen it for 35 years, I recall that it was rather a grim accounting of the actual events and not easily forgotten either. One of the best post war movies made by the Brits in my view.
ilGrandeCornuto 7 months ago
He clearly did not word himself properly and fell hard for that joke. =P
comrade44 7 months ago
Yeah i think after massive bombing raids on their country and Gas Attacks they weren't going to accept a surrender that easily. lol
VulcanofWar 7 months ago
WWII films these days sorta lack that dedication to portraying actual events and people from both sides of the conflict. The Longest Day and A Bridge too Far also had nearly every A-list actor involved as well. Maybe the closest we have these days is Flags of our Fathers and Letters from Iwo Jima, but they still aren't based on anything Cornelius Ryan wrote. I think someone has to do a film based on his book The Last Battle. The Ryan trilogy must be completed!
RedStarRogue 7 months ago
I love being a "deviant chimp" and tripping up the smug, the arrogant and pretty much all comers who are full of their own self importance.
ilGrandeCornuto 7 months ago
"One does not plan and then try to make the circumstances fit those plans One tries to make plans fit circumstances. I think the difference between success and failure in high command depends on the ability, or lack of it, to do just that."
General George S. Patton, Jr.
ilGrandeCornuto 7 months ago
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@slizzler1 The SS units with low unit numbers were the best of that corps. Higher numbered waffen SS were typically made up of foreign volunteers who were unable to join the regular German army. They were not generally well armed or had any special training. However to compare them with Al Qa'ida is stretching things a bit.
ilGrandeCornuto 7 months ago
Try this one "Highway to the Reich" - not the greatest A.I engine for a military opponent, but it is really very good.... it's kind of old now though, but still great play; if you like it then play-by-mail is possible I think.
slizzler1 7 months ago
Someone ought to write a properly programmable Arnhem/Mkt Garden Strat Game. Microsoft bought out a pretty good one about 10 years ago - but far too rigid game-play. Anyway Sliz, old man. Pleasure chatting to you.
constablenapweed 7 months ago
@constablenapweed I used to play Close Combat: A Bridge Too Far all the time back in the day. Man that was fun. I probably have the CD somewhere, dunno if it will play on modern computers though.
HenryvKeiper 7 months ago
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@HenryvKeiper We actually used to use Close Combat Russian Front to teach our young officers the principles of Platoon tactics; use of ground, fire support, manouvre etc :-). ..then go out on the training area and do it with a real platoon! BTW, not sure why mine and Sliz's conversation got so many negative votes (YT have now hidden our posts), perhaps we weren't trolly enough?
constablenapweed 7 months ago
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@constablenapweed
"not sure why mine and Sliz's conversation got so many negative votes (YT have now hidden our posts), "
Yes- Strategic wargames are mind-progressive.
re- trolls> Our civilized society has anti-social deviants who are too weak to fit in as functioning and capable citizens. That is why they sneak around incognito wreaking as much mayhem and childish activities [like trolls]; their way of angrily lashing out at society that has no use for them and which ignores deviant chimps.
slizzler1 7 months ago
@HenryvKeiper It does it works fine!
tubewontletmepost 5 months ago
@tubewontletmepost Ah OK, whew.
HenryvKeiper 5 months ago
@constablenapweed Have you tried the game Company of Heroes: Oposing fronts
By any chance ??
in this game you play as the German Panzer Elite during Market Garden and the British 2nd army at Caen its an RTS game
Men of war assault squard features two missions from Market Garden
or if Grand Stratagy is your thing you could try Hearts of Iron 2 or a bit more complex hearts of Iron 3
Apart from the im not sure hope it helps though
thebritish25 6 months ago
@constablenapweed - If you go to 'Abandonia' and download the V for Victory series it has an excellent battalion level Market Garden. Also in the series are the D-Day simulations for Utah and Gold-Juno-Sword as well as one modelling the battle for Velikye Luki on the eastern front. You can run these on a modern computer using the 'DOS box' application also available at the same site. These are just the shot for hard-core gamers like myself and I recommend them highly. Best of all, it's free.
Biggus63 5 months ago
@constablenapweed
New clip up I actually made;
about Arnhem - watch?v=WgG0rBvBD74
slizzler1 3 months ago
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fuck the english,we kicked their ass.
stephaniebrugel 7 months ago
@stephaniebrugel you wouldn't exist without the english to begin with, let alone the french...so calm down (:
if you refer to the war of independence then you should know that it was actually english people fighting english people, that's right, even the southerner himself (from the old dominion, Virginia) George Washington, said "fighting for the right of every englishman", perhaps you should study your countries history a bit more before hitting "post" ?
europachef 7 months ago 6
@stephaniebrugel You are such a troll. But I'm leaving your comment to let people know that I, an American myself, display the idiocy of everyone equally.
HenryvKeiper 7 months ago 33
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@stephaniebrugel & @HenryvKeiper: it s hard NOT to start insulting such retards. just to let you both know: there are a lot germans who feel grateful for the sacrifice of the allied troops and who feel the shame and burden of two unjust wars. i personally often go to henry chapelle cemetry to pay hommage to YOUR heroes - god bless america and all your soldiers in harms way so f***heads like stephanie may rant on
martinmercenary 7 months ago in playlist A Bridge Too Far Highlights
@stephaniebrugel 2 world wars and 1 world cup do da, do da...
8Ball2221 7 months ago
@stephaniebrugel your a mong
RangerYorki 7 months ago
@stephaniebrugel correction France,spain and the thirteen colonies beat us.
TheLloydA1 6 months ago
@stephaniebrugel You're an American. WHEN did you - America, kick England's ass?
Factnotfictionpeople 6 months ago
LOL
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Wallonische 7 months ago 4
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The scene is make believe; it never happened.
It is based on two incidents during that battle though.
The surrender request was brought by a Brit airborne POW who promised to return to German Lines. He didn't bother returning after delivering the message. He chose to fight again.
There was the incident of a Brit engineer platoon commander in a fortified building near the bridge telling Germans who asked his unit about surrendering, who replied he had no room for German prisoners.
slizzler1 7 months ago
A Toilet Too Far.
cla52470 7 months ago
Where can i find that amazing shot of them running accross the bridge? If it even is this film...
whowantsabighug 8 months ago
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You mean -them- as in the Paras charging the pillbox on the first evening they get to the bridge?
slizzler1 7 months ago
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@slizzler1 It's British Paras, but all i remember is this magnificent continuous shot of them fighting accross the bridge with explosions in the water etc. It might be a different film though. :P
whowantsabighug 7 months ago
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yes- may be you mean 'Longest Day' - it has a scene I think where Brit Paras capture Pegasus Bridge.
slizzler1 7 months ago
That german soldier, is Dutch -_-' ... im just saying, If you wanna do it the right way, you should do it the right way.
KoesKoes99 8 months ago 3
@KoesKoes99 How do you know he's Dutch?
HenryvKeiper 8 months ago
@HenryvKeiper Cos I've seen the same actor playing in alot of Dutch movies. and besides, he doesnt have a German accent, I know cos im Dutch myself, and I reconised his Dutch accent from the start :)
KoesKoes99 8 months ago
@KoesKoes99 Ah OK :) I wasn't necessarily doubting you, I was just curious.
HenryvKeiper 8 months ago
@HenryvKeiper Yeah yeah I know :) many people confuse Dutch people with German people .... shit happens XD
KoesKoes99 8 months ago
@KoesKoes99 It sounds german enough to me to give the right notion. I know cos I'm German myself.
Kleinalrik 7 months ago
@Kleinalrik your name sounds german enough to give ME the right notion, I know cos im Dutch myself.
KoesKoes99 7 months ago
"Was there anything else" HAHAHAHAHH XD
JSLegoMaster 8 months ago 2
The English sure gave the Germans a run for their money. You don't "screw" with the English!! (:
europachef 8 months ago 79
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@europachef Or indeed the British.
glasfurd31 7 months ago
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@europachef british there were welsh scottish irish regements in the british army m8,during ww1 a scottish regeiment led the charge at the first day of the Somme and welsh regiments were the last to be evacuated at dunkirk
frazledazzle11 7 months ago
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@europachef And Welsh, Scottish and Irish.
GUnitSeanAKAmong 5 months ago
It appears you have bought an umbrella to a tank battle.
tokenminds 8 months ago
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But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.
They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
whitegeNOcide14 9 months ago
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How long would it take anyone to realise I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?
And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?
whitegeNOcide14 9 months ago
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Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.
What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?
whitegeNOcide14 9 months ago
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Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.
The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.
whitegeNOcide14 9 months ago
@m52spy Reminds me of the Alamo.... One of the stupidest last stands in history
BryantFinlay 9 months ago
@MrCromwellsGhost Even after the British beat Napoleon, they were effectively beaten at Plattsburgh and Baltimore. The war was a draw for both sides, and need not have been fought. The only good reason we had for being pissed off with the English is that they were enslaving our sailors.
BryantFinlay 9 months ago
Gotta love Anthony Hopkins (Frost)! XD
calendanime 9 months ago
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Eternal cheers to the British 1st Airborne Division.
jporcel100 9 months ago
This scene epitomizes the English wit. (:
ericvandenhaas 9 months ago 29
@ericvandenhaas humour is the entire basis of English culture, the ability to joke even though the situation, as in the case, was most grim. Regarding some of the comments made here, well....more dumb talk from agenda-filled arm-chair generals hell bent on making the rest of the world as stupid and simple minded as themselves, spreading both disinformation, ignorance and blatant lies with abandon.
knut761 7 months ago 6
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@knut761
Stop sobbing.
If you actually read Cornelius Ryan's book 'A Bridge Too Far', you would know the facts; ie, that this movie scene is pure fantasy. There was no funny joking going on in the intense 4 day battle at the bridge. The battle was a raging inferno from start to grisly finish.
Only chumps with no capability to read real historical accounts [ ie, too lazy] will show up here with delusional ideas that WW2 battles was a constant joke to British soldiers.
slizzler1 7 months ago
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That is the definition of British wit.
NathanH97 9 months ago
Of course, we Americans prefer one word replies....
"Nuts!"
Evilmike42 9 months ago
lol lthis is my favorite part.
Ksgamer103 9 months ago
Final radio message from Arnem was "out of ammunition God Save the King!
CHANNELOMD 10 months ago 6
@hypocriticallysaying He said when the aid asked "What now"? He replied, "Flatten Arnham".
MegaWolfgang 10 months ago
only a englishman would bring a bloody umbrella XD
MrFrenchie36 10 months ago 37
@hypocriticallysaying he said "Arnheim auslöschen", which means "erase Arnheim"
Sicklehead88 10 months ago
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@hypocriticallysaying There are subtitles. He says, "Flatten Arnhem." Meaning they were going to push the British out at all costs.
HenryvKeiper 10 months ago
It truly was an operation that was jinxed from the start really. I could list many...but, we're all familiar with what went wrong from ignored intel, to supplies being dropped in the wrong areas etc....
BuddyFantastic 10 months ago
@BuddyFantastic Not to mention using only one crappy road for the XXX Corps
BryantFinlay 9 months ago
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i had sex the other day
liamjordan2297 10 months ago
Awesome!That german's expression was priceless.
WILLIEHUNTZ 10 months ago
My favourite scene in the whole of what is a brilliant film. It makes me proud to be British!
Lorax2005 10 months ago 2
@Chaosmarine1 History, like life in general, is not en exact science. Heck, even science isn't exact! Many of today's academic conventions with regard to history, in fact with regard to almost anything, will be ridiculed tomorrow. Therefore it is perhaps naive to treat what you have been told about history as gospel. And so the endless movement of progress will continue. Or will it?
robsargent4 10 months ago
Typical English dry humour: was there anything else? so darn English. (:
EJLSWE 10 months ago 54
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and to think that most Brits don't have a sense of humor!
kenns9 10 months ago
@kenns9 The Scottish and the Welsh may lack a sense of humour but in my experience the English doesn't, your experience with the English may be different.
EJLSWE 10 months ago
@EJLSWE
The humor expressed in this scene is very ...Pythonish.
kenns9 10 months ago
@EJLSWE the scots lack a sense of humour are you serious lol
relmmih6 10 months ago
@EJLSWE The German response was also so stereotypically straightforward that it actually kind of adds to the hilarity: their not amused in the slightest. It's so what you would expect...
ObssesedNuker 9 months ago 4
@ObssesedNuker
That movie scene is pure fiction; that did not happen. Read back in these comments to see what that seen was based on though.
slizzler1 8 months ago
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EJLSWE 10 months ago
did this shit really happen!?? they should have accepted it!!
phatmonk6195 11 months ago
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@phatmonk6195 Technically no. IRL, the Germans sent a British POW over to deliver the demand for surrender. The British officer said no, but the POW decided to stay with them rather than give the message back to the Germans :)
HenryvKeiper 11 months ago
@HenryvKeiper The guy who said that they didn't have the space to accept the surrender was Captain Mackay and he said it to a german. Frost was in a different place and it was PoW who asked him to surrender. Mackay was on the other side of the bridge.
TheAli985 10 months ago
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Gotta love cheeky Brits
haddock1941 11 months ago
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WHAT? oh well, let's go back to Berl-oh shit Russia, of course.
WolfytheWolf5667 11 months ago
HOLY CRAP, IF THEY SAID YES, THEY WOULD OF WON THE BATTLE, AND THE WAR MIGHT HAVE ACUTALLY BEN OVER BY CHRISTMAS!!!
guywith3 11 months ago
@guywith3 That would have led to a hilarious conversation afterward.
Soldier: "Good news, sir! They accepted our surrender!"
Bittrich: "..."
Soldier: "They were very nice about it too!"
Bittrich: "..."
Soldier: "That's...what you sent me for...right?"
Bittrich: *pulls out a pistol and shoots the soldier*
HenryvKeiper 11 months ago 15
@guywith3 That would be WW1 (1914).... this is WW2 (1944) .... the time lines are slightly different.
DarkingGirl 11 months ago
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@guywith3 the brits are stupid like that. lol
Sk8onURown 10 months ago
@guywith3
How can you win a battle by surrendering, you cretin
gone2ground 9 months ago
@guywith3 You needn't scream.
erloriel 9 months ago
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@guywith3 I think you misunderstood the scene. The Germans were not surrendering. They were calling on the British to surrender. Rather than simply refuse, the Brits decided to fuck with them.
BrendanSFA 8 months ago
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@guywith3 i think u misunderstood wat happened.
the germans offered the brittish a chance to surrender, the brits were just being smart arses by saying we cannot accept ur surrender.
the germans wernt surrendering.
shiyboy4 8 months ago
@shiyboy4
It is only a movie fictional scene- this scene did not happen at all in the battle at the bridge.
slizzler1 7 months ago
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@slizzler1 but the Germans did offer the brittish a chance to surrender
shiyboy4 7 months ago
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yes- in this clip and other similar ones I detailed the two actual surrender offers from the Germans that this invented movie scene is based on.
slizzler1 7 months ago
@slizzler1 yea, my fav story is of the U.S general who replied nuts, thts a good one
shiyboy4 7 months ago
@shiyboy4
yes- lol- that story's true!
slizzler1 7 months ago
@slizzler1 too funny he just said nuts, and left came back hours later and the germans were still there and said wat do i say, and the other guy whos rank i forget was just like "i liked ur first answer" thts hilarious!
shiyboy4 7 months ago
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Haha.. Oh god, I love the British. Their humor is incredibly dry, but it never fails to make me smile.
zombrilliance 11 months ago
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I watched an interview with the british soilder who has the umbrella. At the time time they asked him did he really do that and why. His answer was he was crap at remembering passwords at checkpoints and what bloody nazi would be carrying a umbrella and it worked. This is one of the best scenes from the film I think and always makes me chuckle to watch it.
videomonkey2009 11 months ago
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@videomonkey2009 The character actually says just that later on in the movie, when Anthony Hopkins' character asks him why he always has an umbrella.
I'm aware of another British soldier who carried an umbrella around. When asked why, he replied, "In case it rains."
HenryvKeiper 11 months ago
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In the movie the guy with the umbrella died.
slizzler1 7 months ago
tell him to go to hell. so politely
usmc1942 11 months ago
hahahaha. ''tell em to go to hell'' .......... '' we haven't the proper facillity's to take you all prisoner, sorry''
hahaha
SPR1944 11 months ago
This scene makes me SO proud to be British. We can say fuck off in way that seems to leave peoples of other nations confused. Plus we are ridiculously stubborn and we always stick to the four golden principles: Honor, Dignity, Family, and Valor. You will never meet anyone quite like us
mrjack037907 11 months ago 2
@mrjack037907 Yeah Honor and Valor are American, but I know what you mean. Not that how you spell a word makes any difference to the sentiment.
robsargent4 11 months ago
@mrjack037907 Agreed, sadly, the younger generations in this country are forgetting the meaning of those 4 words.
Well, apart from the few hundred thousand in the armed forces.
UNSCForwardontodawn 11 months ago
@mrjack037907
The scene is totally fictional. That did not happen at all- the movie played up with make believe humour scenes for people like you; but if you read the book, the fact is that this movie scene did not happen, In fact the initial surrender was sent by the Germans through a Brit POW who promised to return with an answer.
from the Brit HQ where Frost met him [not next to the bridge -but close though] . The Brit prisoner broke his promise and decided to stay and fight.
slizzler1 7 months ago
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I can also cite British airborne witness accounts in which there were instances in the fighting where Brit-Airborne soldiers did some acts that were not about honor/ dignity/ valour.
'Pride before the Fall'
Read history books rather than outrightly believe Hollywood recreations of history events.
slizzler1 7 months ago
i am german and this scene always makes me smile! good humour!
TelumehtarOriOn 11 months ago
makes you glad to be british , its the fuck you attitude that has made us the great nation we are !
bigrider2806 1 year ago