@TheUltimateBeing01 Oh and the damn bills are writen so fucking broadly that the makers are gonna be little smart asses and use it to take millions in lawsuits....dumbass. I'll bet you're one of those people that think all video games are evil and are turning this generations youth into murderers.
@TheUltimateBeing01 I think I forgot an important part of whatever it is that I said that got you attention. Our economy is going to down shit creek without a paddle already with barly any hope of getting out. And these bills were made because of the greedy bastards that just can't stand someone getting something for free are being little bitches about it and are tryng to just shutdown the internet rather than to their damn job.
On top of the suggested courses of action, we should ALL boycot ALL the media that is part of it.
Not buy music or DVD's. Stop going to the cinema or renting films and only get our news from open sources.
Sure it will suck, But I doubt they will hold out for long.
A few months of limited media access, is better than complete destuction of our most important media. Perhaps even the most important invention in history. The internet.
its more expensive and laborious to protect intellectual property than its worth. the solution is to make the media so inexpensive that none would bother trying to steal it and then they just buy it. this would require the riaa to live life as just millionaires instead of multibillionaires!
Now SOPA has been suspended, EVERYBODY go now and protest against ACTA! I am sure if you saw the stuff about it, you will realise it is 3000000000x worse!!
He doesnt agree with people being held accoutnable with what they say and do online, I dissagree.
"make fun of his ears. Thank you so much."
By your response since you hold me accountable for a joke, you should not be against people being accountable for actions online including slander or breach of copyright online......
as i recall the government was supposed to serve the people, as i recall "the people" were not classified as the 10 fatass media and business bosses that decide to fuck everyone over for their own selfish gain
Here's the funny part. THis is just a little part of a big story in which a few big corporations buy up everything that once was free. and charge you to use it. It's funny because while the power elites who own the media in America have kept up a relentless "opinion-forming" assault on Socialism, to the pount were most Americans use "socialist" as a term oif abuse, those same corporations have been stripping out and privatising the public space. And public resources like oil and water.
I didn't deem you american, and why would there be any difference anyway? the fact remains that the bill have merely been signed, it hasn't been taken to effect and whether Obama and the parliament accept the proposal is yet to be seen. it sure is nervewrecking
@KayAteChef Yes, I remember Tiananmen Square and I don't want this country to become China. If China wants to spy on me that's fine..but google has no right and I think they crossed the line.
@tommytalks77 Nope, they didn't just remove megaupoad from the DNS. The FBI raided megaupload servers in 5 different countries and took it down completely.
Fuck SOPA, PIPA and ACTA. Obama's State Of The Union is on YouTube LIVE in about 20 minutes. Flood the comments about these acts of corporate terrorism!!!
What these media companies seem to fail to realize is that if they got their way in the first place, then industries that produce billions of dollars for them wouldn't even exist today, like CD, MP3, DVD, Bluray, etc. Instead of stifling, they need to innovate.
Thank you for posting this. I've read enough of the bill to see how right he is, but I wouldn't have asked the questions he's proposing without seeing this video. A thousand thanks.
The speaker forgets another critical point. If you hate how the big content creators are treating us with their efforts to restrict legal copying, then do not consume their content. At All. Don't pay for it, don't borrow it, don't copy it. Just ignore it. If no one consumes their products, their products become worthless.
Please forgive me, but I have transcribed this video for my friends across the ocean who can well enough read English but may have trouble understanding what is being said:
[Clay Shirky]: Let me start here. This is a hand-lettered sign that appeared in a mom-and-pop bakery in my old neighborhood in Brooklyn a few years ago. The store owned one of those machines that can print on plates of sugar. And kids could bring in drawings and have the store print a sugar plate for the top of their birthday cake. But unfortunately, one of the things kids like to draw was cartoon characters. They like to draw The Little Mermaid; they'd like to draw Smurf; Mickey Mouse.
But it turns out to be illegal to print a child's drawing of Mickey Mouse onto a plate of sugar. It's a copyright violation. And policing copyright violations for children's birthday cakes was such a hassle that the college bakery said, You know what? We're getting out of that business. If you're an amateur, you don't have access to our machine anymore. If you want a printed sugar birthday cake, you have to use one of our prefab images. Only for Professional.
So there's two bills in Congress right now. One of them's called SOPA; the other is called PIPA. SOPA stands for the Stop Online Piracy Act; it's from the Senate. PIPA is short for Protect IP, which is itself short for Preventing Real Online Threats to Economic Creativity and Theft of Intellectual Property, because the Congressional aides who name these things have a lot of time on their hands. And what SOPA and PIPA want to do is they want to do this.
They want to raise the cost of copyright compliance to the point where people simply get out of the business of offering it as a capability to amateurs. And the way they propose to do this is to identify sites that are substantially infringing on copyright, although how those sites are identified is never fully specified in the bills. And then they want to remove them from the domain name system. They want to take them out of the domain name system.
Now the domain name system is the thing that turns human readable names like Google.com into the kinds of addresses machines expect: 74.125.226.212. Now the problem with this model of censorship, of identifying a site and then trying to remove it from the domain name system is that it won't work. And you'd think that would be a pretty big problem for a law, but Congress seems not to have let that bother them too much.
Now the reason it won't work is that you can still type 74.125.226.212 into the browser or you can make it a clickable link and you'll still go to Google. So the policing layer around the problem becomes the real threat of the act. Now to understand how Congress came to write a bill that won't accomplish its stated goals but will produce a lot of pernicious side effects, you have to understand a little bit about the back story. And the back story is this.
SOPA and PIPA as legislation were drafted largely by media companies that were founded in the 20th century. The 20th century was a great time to be in a media company because the thing you really had on your side was scarcity. If you were making a TV show, it didn't have to be better than all other TV shows ever made, it only had to be better than the two other shows that were on at the same time, which is a very low threshold of competitive difficulty.
Which meant that if you fielded average content, you got a third of the US public for free. Tens of millions of users for simply doing something that wasn't too terrible. This is like having a license to print money and a barrel of free ink. But technology moved on as technology is wont to do, and slowly, slowly at the end of the 20th century, that scarcity started to get eroded. And I don't mean by digital technology, I mean by analog technology.
Cassette tapes, video casette recorders, even the humble Xerox machine, created new opportunities for us to behave in ways that astonished the media business. Because it turned out, we're not really couch potatoes. We're don't really like only to consume. We do like to consume, but every time one of these new tools came along, it turned out we also like to produce and we like to share. And this freaked the media businesses out. It freaked them out every time.
Jack Valenti, who was the head lobbyist for the Motion Picture Association of America, once likened [misspoken as 'licensed'] the ferocious video cassette recorder to Jack the Ripper, and poor, helpless Hollywood to a woman at home alone. That was the level of rhetoric. And so the media industries begged, insisted, demanded that Congress do something. And Congress did something. By the early nineties, Congress passed the law that changed everything.
And that law was called the Audio Home Recording Act of 1992. What the Audio Home Recording Act of 1992 said was, look it, if people are taping stuff off the radio and then making mix tapes for their friends, that is not a crime. That's okay. Taping and remixing and sharing with your friends is okay. If you make lots and lots of high quality copies and you sell them, that's not okay. But this taping business? Fine, let it go.
And they thought that they'd clarified the issue because they'd set out a clear distinction between legal and illegal copying. But that's not what the media businesses wanted. They had wanted Congress to outlaw copying full stop. So when the Audio Home Recording Act of 1992 was passed, the media businesses gave up on the idea of legal versus illegal distinctions for copying because it was clear that if Congress was acting in their framework,
they might actually increase the rights of citizens to participate in our own media environment. So they went for plan B. Took them a while to formulate Plan B, but Plan B appeared in its first full-blown form in 1998. Something called the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. It was a complicated piece of legislation. A lot of moving parts. But the main thrust of the DMCA was that it was legal to sell you uncopyable digital material.
Except that there's no such thing as uncopyable digital material, it would be, as Ed Felton once famously said, Like handing out water that wasn't wet. Bits are copyable. That's what computers do. That is a side effect of their ordinary operation. So in order to fake the ability to sell uncopyable bits, the DMCA also made it legal to force you to use systems that broke the copying function of your devices.
Every DVD player and game player and television and computer you brought home, no matter what you thought you were getting when you bought it, could be broken by the content industries if they wanted to set that as a condition of selling you the content, and to make sure that you didn't realize, or didn't enact their capabilities as general purpose computing devices, they also made it illegal for you to try to reset the copyability of that content.
The DMCA marks the moment when the media industries gave up on the legal system of distinguishing between legal and illegal copying and simply tried to prevent copying through technical means. Now, the DMCA had, and is continuing to have, a lot of complicated effects, but in this one domain, limiting sharing, it has mostly not worked. And the main reason it hasn't worked is the internet has turned out to be far more popular and far more powerful than anyone imagined.
All right? The mix tape, the fanzine, that was nothing compared to what we're seeing now with the internet. We are in a world where most American citizens over the age of 12 share things with each other online. We share written things; we share images; we share audio; we share video. Some of the stuff we share is stuff we've made; some of the stuff we share is stuff we've found; some of the stuff we share is stuff we've made out of what we've found. And all of it horrifies those industries.
So PIPA and SOPA are Round 2. But where the DMCA was surgical: we want to go down into your computer; we want to go down into your television set; down into your game machine and prevent it from doing what they said it would do at the store, PIPA and SOPA are nuclear. They are saying we want to go anywhere in the world and censor content. Now the mechanism, as I said, for doing this is you need to take out anybody pointing to those IP addresses.
You need to take them out of search engines; you need to take them out of online directories; you need to take them out of user lists. And because the biggest producers of content on the internet are not Google and Yahoo, they're us, we're the people getting policed. Because in the end, the real threat to the enactment of PIPA and SOPA is our ability to share things with one another.
So what PIPA and SOPA risk doing is taking a centuries old legal concept: innocent until proven guilty, and reversing it: guilty until proven innocent. You can't share until you show us that you're not sharing something that we don't like. Suddenly the burden of proof for legal versus illegal falls affirmatively on us and on the services that might be offering us any new capabilities, and if it costs even a dime to police a user, that will crush a service with 100 million users.
So this is the internet they have in mind. Imagine this sign everywhere. Except imagine it doesn't say College Bakery. Imagine it says YouTube and Facebook and Twitter. Imagine it says TED. Because the comments can't be policed at any acceptable cost. The real effects of SOPA and PIPA are going to be different from the proposed effects. The threat, in fact, is this inversion of the burden of proof.
Where we suddenly are all treated like thieves at every moment we're given the freedom to create, to produce or to share. And the people who provide those capabilities to us: the YouTubes and Facebooks; the Twitters and TEDs, are in the business of having to police us or being on the hook for contributory infringement. There's two things you can do to help stop this, a simple thing and a complicated thing, an easy thing and a hard thing.
The simple thing, the easy thing is this: if you're an American citizen, call your representative, call your Senator. Now when you look at the people who have co-signed on the SOPA bill, people who have co-signed on PIPA, what you see is that they have cumulatively received millions and millions of dollars from the traditional media industries. You don't have millions and millions of dollars. But you can call your representatives, and you can remind them that you vote.
And you can ask not to be treated like a thief. And you could suggest that you prefer that the internet not be broken. And if you're not an American citizen, you can contact American citizens that you know and encourage them to do the same. Because this seems like a national issue, but it is not. These industries will not be content with breaking our internet. If they break it, they will break it for everybody. That's the easy thing. That's the simple thing.
The hard thing is this: Get ready, because more is coming. SOPA is simply a re-version of COICA, which was proposed last year, which did not pass. And all of this goes back to the failure of the DMCA to disallow sharing as a technical means. And the DMCA goes back to the Audio Home Recording Act, which horrified those industries. Because the whole business of actually suggesting that someone is breaking the law? and then gathering evidence and proving that?
That turns out to be really inconvenient. All right? We'd prefer not to do that, says the content industries. And what they want is not to have to do that. They don't want legal distinctions between legal and illegal sharing. They just want the sharing to go away. PIPA and SOPA are not oddities; they're not anomalies; they're not events. They're the next turn of this particular screw which has been going on twenty years now. And if we defeat these, as I hope that we did, more is coming.
Because until we convince Congress that the way to deal with copyright violation is the way copyright violation was dealt with with Napster, with YouTube, which is to have a trial with all the presentation of evidence and the hashing out of facts, and the assessment of remedies that goes on in democratic societies, that's the way to handle this. In the meantime, the hard thing to do is to be ready. Because that's the real message of PIPA and SOPA.
Hey thunderf00t, do me a favor and tell your brainless followers that I'm the one who DMCA'd you. William Lane Craig didn't do the DMCAing. I did. Thanks, buddy. Oh, and I have to thank your minions for at least mentioning my name and channel. That helps!
Pirate everything, bankrupt the guys who can't function in this new world. Don't see ANY MOVIES in the theater, don't watch television unless you pirated the episode.
@types10000 Gee, does everyone have permission to blanket-hate Australia for the bad stuff that a few people in its government do? Yeah, screw America...its corrupt politicians... its fast food...its tv shows... oh, wait a minute...
@types10000 Btw, you can watch Young Turks on YT, and TDS and TCR on their own sites. At least those particular effing Americans are happy for the entire world to watch their content for nothing. So stop with the whingeing, mate.
I'm willing to accept some advertising if it meant that I could see, hear and read everything for free online when I want. It's already happening with most TV stations so why can't the movie, music and publishing industries follow suit? If it's because there's not as much money in it then so be it. It's their job to adapt, not ours.
"You are free to copy and mirror it as much as you want, [as long as its non profit and unaltered.]"
The last sentence in the video tag... a perfect example of the HYPOCRISY of the argument against SOPA!
Nothing stops the 'mom & pop bakery' from entering onot a very profitable lisencing agreement with Disney, or Marvel, or any other content creating company.
I am so sick of hearing all the moaning of talentless hacks wnating to use my hard work and creativity for free!!!
I find it simply stupifying that the people we entrust to regulate these issues for us are so fundamentally ignorant of the potential (and/or likely) consequences.
My personal take is that its symptomatic of the generral trend towards ignorance that is the result of the perevailing sentiment that there is no way to differentiate between facts and mere interpration - that there`s no way to distinguish betwen one "opinion" and another.
I agree with this video however I wish somebody would at least ACKNOWLEDGE the problems faced by the media industry as a result of mass copyright infringement online.... People should still have the right to create a media product and sell it if they want to.. it doesn't just affect these big evil corporates you speak of.
@andychaos1 Are you referring to the artists? Because I grew up seeing MTV "Cribs" and after seeing for the nth time that most musicians in the business have mansions and enough vehicles to field a small army I lost sympathy.
@jazon345 yes, I don't disagree with you... I think SOPA is the wrong way to fix the problem. However I think more is needed to money back into the hands of artists, as you don't hear about the majority who struggle to make a living despite massive demand for their work.
@andychaos1 I see you're a musician so I can completely understand your position on this matter. However, an artist who is signed to a record label will be payed - it is simple as that. If an independent artist uploads his/her music to the internet he can either make it free or make people pay. If that artist were to let's say..upload their song to YouTube they take the risk of having it downloaded with video downloading software. I understand completely how an artist struggles. - (continuted)
@jazon345 I'm not taking a position on your argument with andychaos1 here - but just to let you know, if an artist has a label contract, they will most likely NOT be paid unless they are already successful. 90%+ of major label contracts are effectively loans, which the artist must pay back with CD sales and airplay royalties. So essentially, when you free-download them, it takes away their power to get out from under their contract. The company doesn't really care - so guess who getting screwed?
@OrchestrationOnline As much as I would love to argue with you about some of the affects of copyright infringement, I have to agree with what you are saying for the most part. (I do see somethings differently for instance I have no intention of buying a $2,500 application, but if I get a free copy then I'll take it - and since I wouldn't normally buy it the company is not actually losing any money). But I think the fear and reaction most people are putting out there stems from the fact that...
@1n354a I oppose SOPA/PIPA - see my other comments here. But I do firmly believe that part of the social contract means that we don't take things that don't belong to us.
I can't go with your justification of helping yourself to free software that you wouldn't normally use. If you end up using that software, and it makes a difference to your quality of life or work, then indeed the company has lost money.
SOPA/PIPA wouldn't be needed if we all had more respect for individual creators.
@OrchestrationOnline Oh I have no intention of trying to convince you to accept my rationalizations - after five years my wife still doesn't buy them, why try in 500 characters or less with a complete stranger. That being said, I grew up in the era of tape cassettes and I don't think that I had more than two store bought tapes in my collection. This issue of sharing has more to do with the reality that this has been the culture of the business for many years before Napster and the internet. All
...the internet did was make it a lot easier to share files/music/videos. While I agree with you in principle regarding the theft and cost and whatnot, I really don't see any way that they are going to stop the activity without destroying the internet. It is too big...but hey, I guess tomorrow will tell, eh?
@OrchestrationOnline But they go out of lengths by taking down youtube videos that happens to have a radio in the background playing a song, and so on.
@soulextracter "They" are bored underlings who are paid to scout through YT (very ineffectively) and do take-downs. The major companies that pay them could care less most of the time. What they don't want is all 12 seasons of their hit show uploaded for free viewing.
I'm more interested in the motivation behind your statement. If your grocer is a jerk, do you have the right to shoplift? No. Shop elsewhere, right?
..these two bills are not targeting the copyright material and how it is used, rather decimating the process of file sharing whether it is copyrightable material or not. There is a real chance that this would turn private organizations into an unregulated police force...and that is terrifying. I'm all for people paying a reasonable price for a product, but there is a point at which shrinkage needs to be calculated into the price and left at that.
@andychaos1 I see you're a musician so I can completely understand your position on this matter. However, an artist who is signed to a record label will be payed - it is simple as that. If an independent artist uploads his/her music to the internet he can either make it free or make people pay. If that artist were to let's say..upload their song to YouTube they take the risk of having it downloaded with video downloading software.
@andychaos1 I understand your passion for music and realize how hard it is to be signed. If an artist is so concerned with his/her music they will upload it to iTunes in order to make profit. Well then you may be asking yourself, "Well how do I get people to know what I sound like?" Teasers are relevant, people will notice you if you upload teasers. No one is going to illegally download a teaser. An artist is not going to be robbed these days without first making a profit.
@makaveliThadon100 That's why calling your representatives is important. Having huge slabs of money for re-election campaigning is useless if the electorate has already made it clear that they won't be voting for you.
Right now the European government is deciding on ACTA, a law similar to SOPA and PIPA, I’m a European and I ask you all to help… Save us from a law that will restrict our freedom! Look up ACTA, and help. I signed against SOPA although I’m not an American: because I know that we might not be in the same country, but we are all on the same internet. Save us from this threat to our freedom!
All of this talk of awakening minds? Freeing people? Damn, people need to look at the PHYSICAL space that's taken up by internet users. How many of you know mothers who don't pay attention to their kids 'cause they come home and go straight to facebook? Or kids who don't go out and get enough activity or even sunshine? That's not the product of free, creative artists! That's the bubblegum shit that's put out by the people who run the net like a fancy TV, stick advertising in your faces and make$
@SoyBoySigh Point well made but I submit to you that the forces seeking tirelessly to limit our online experience are the very same forces which have also worked tirelessly to limit our physical experience and thus, the desperation and neglect that is mirrored in the society of which you speak. We don't start stemming the tide of these forces and it will only get much, much worse.
I think the real war, (of which consumers will be manipulated to fight for one side or the other, as in all other wars before it will be the little man who pays the price and does the fighting) is over advertising dollars the big internet corporations (google/facebook/twitter/youtube) are raking in, and the companies who publish media who are seeking to protect royalties. But SOPA/PIPA might actually kill the internet as we know it NOW, and leave something much more democratic, even meritocratic
@SoyBoySigh While I will give a salute. I will say this.
Seeing is believing...but seeing isn't knowing, believing isn't knowing. Whether SOPA/PIPA is passed or not will tell us which was the better road to go. Now heres the hard part! When you look at where we stand if SOPA/PIPA are passed or not, what perspective are you looking from?
As an individual who can pick & choose where or what is posted online of their own accord? Or as what it has done to the nation as a whole?
@SoyBoySigh What makes this a hard thing to do, is that u are, no matter which side u stand on an individual.
& if it is such an inconvience to u that u can't police what people say or show, then the heats on u! What u can do however is police people if & ONLY IF they do something that is overtly negative to the rest of us. If its not hurting or causing people to hurt others than don't stress urself over it. Let those people who are there handle it themselves.
@SoyBoySigh Now I'm not that naive! I know there will always be more than a few cases! But thats life! It has high points & low!
How u choose to handle them is what ultimately decides ur alligence. But ur still a person w/ flaws & virtues, u are more capable than u think! But don't use that as an end-all-be-all justification for what u do!
I'm a copyright holder of about 70 original works of intellectual property, and a member of ASCAP, from which I derive royalties. SOPA and PIPA will do more harm to me than good. Petty shut-downs, harassment, and chilling of the internet are bound to occur. International law enforcement already has the capacity to shut down the major copyright violators, which are the mega-upload sites. They don't need to bust some middle school chorus for posting "Tears In Heaven" on YouTube. That's ridiculous.
If they post it in order to generate a profit without paying for usage then they should be busted. That's the issue here. I too am a copyright holder (commercial photographer) with hundreds of registered images at the Library of Congress. I have the right to control how my hard work and creativity are used, and I have a right to earn a fair living.
"That's the issue here. I too am a copyright holder (commercial photographer) with hundreds of registered images at the Library of Congress. I have the right to control how my hard work and creativity are used..."
- there already are copyright laws and they are pretty harsh, the issue is that this new legislation puts an unreasonable burden on websites; Whereby any one person with a grudge could potentially take-out an entire forum by posting a single link to illegal content
This guy's name is Clay Shirky by the way.
georgemargaris 4 hours ago
I remember when the phonograph killed the live music business.
leerman22 2 days ago
@TheUltimateBeing01 Oh and the damn bills are writen so fucking broadly that the makers are gonna be little smart asses and use it to take millions in lawsuits....dumbass. I'll bet you're one of those people that think all video games are evil and are turning this generations youth into murderers.
shadowknight311 1 week ago
@TheUltimateBeing01 I think I forgot an important part of whatever it is that I said that got you attention. Our economy is going to down shit creek without a paddle already with barly any hope of getting out. And these bills were made because of the greedy bastards that just can't stand someone getting something for free are being little bitches about it and are tryng to just shutdown the internet rather than to their damn job.
shadowknight311 1 week ago
On top of the suggested courses of action, we should ALL boycot ALL the media that is part of it.
Not buy music or DVD's. Stop going to the cinema or renting films and only get our news from open sources.
Sure it will suck, But I doubt they will hold out for long.
A few months of limited media access, is better than complete destuction of our most important media. Perhaps even the most important invention in history. The internet.
qwiksquirrel 2 weeks ago 2
Someone should show this to Bill Maher.
FreeFragSGS 2 weeks ago
@FreeFragSGS Just curious, what's Bill Maher got to do with it?
TwistedLemniscate 1 week ago
It's not about protecting intellectual property, it's about government censorship through the back door.
Guncriminal 2 weeks ago 4
@Guncriminal And taking out reviewers who criticize too much.
HolyknightVader999 5 days ago
Lol pipa means vagina in polish (|)
mrkamil775 2 weeks ago
Just from reading most of the comments, I find it awesome how sopa and pipa mean hilarious things in other languages.
jensenthejman 2 weeks ago in playlist Liked videos
sopa = garbage in swedish...
pipa = garbage disposal in spanish
bigfproblem 2 weeks ago 2
@bigfproblem and blowjob in Greek
SatiricalStewie 2 weeks ago
its more expensive and laborious to protect intellectual property than its worth. the solution is to make the media so inexpensive that none would bother trying to steal it and then they just buy it. this would require the riaa to live life as just millionaires instead of multibillionaires!
casperghozd 3 weeks ago
@casperghozd exactly right ppl are greedy though so....
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In Russian "sopa" and "pipa" are slight misspellings of "ass" and "little dick" accordingly.
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Piracy is a service issue, not a state one. It's up to businesses to crack down on piracy, not the government.
It should still be illegal, but it's up to the owners of intellectual property to protect it directly.
Kinda like how in a store, there are cameras to catch shoplifters, not cops standing by the door watching everyone who comes in
Omegashadowyoshi 3 weeks ago 6
Now SOPA has been suspended, EVERYBODY go now and protest against ACTA! I am sure if you saw the stuff about it, you will realise it is 3000000000x worse!!
Go to:
avaaz.org/en/eu_save_the_internet_spread
(Remember the 3 'w's at the beginning)
Come on, let's save OUR Internet!
MrSinisterSausage 3 weeks ago 6
next step
those who now speak out against the SOPA to be called terrorists, or better yet the Communists
WeirdD1986 3 weeks ago
He really needs to get those ears fix, especially since he has a shaved head!
gorilla199uncensored 3 weeks ago
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Thanks for your brilliant contribution. Just ignore everything the man said and make fun of his ears. Thank you so much.
SideWaysThinker 3 weeks ago 2
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"Just ignore everything the man said"
He doesnt agree with people being held accoutnable with what they say and do online, I dissagree.
"make fun of his ears. Thank you so much."
By your response since you hold me accountable for a joke, you should not be against people being accountable for actions online including slander or breach of copyright online......
gorilla199uncensored 3 weeks ago
as i recall the government was supposed to serve the people, as i recall "the people" were not classified as the 10 fatass media and business bosses that decide to fuck everyone over for their own selfish gain
xxxassasinatedxxx 3 weeks ago
WHAT ABOUT ACTA!
casperghozd 3 weeks ago
@casperghozd Ikr! That's the real problem!
MrSinisterSausage 3 weeks ago
Here's the funny part. THis is just a little part of a big story in which a few big corporations buy up everything that once was free. and charge you to use it. It's funny because while the power elites who own the media in America have kept up a relentless "opinion-forming" assault on Socialism, to the pount were most Americans use "socialist" as a term oif abuse, those same corporations have been stripping out and privatising the public space. And public resources like oil and water.
CobinRain 3 weeks ago
What about ACTA?
flamevulture17 3 weeks ago 3
im guessing we need to pay The Summy Company every single time we sing Happy Birthday, huh?
72dew 3 weeks ago 4
What!? Look at that lecture hall they look so cozy.... Jellin.
Blodslav 3 weeks ago
It's fun to note that "sopa" means "garbage" in Swedish...
pyromanuel69 3 weeks ago 58
that is not a coincidence
Ryagful 3 weeks ago
@pyromanuel69
"Sopa" also means "stop talking" in Greek.
WhereTheyAre 3 weeks ago
@pyromanuel69 sopa means soup in spanish... so great... serving garbage soup from the US perfect
scratchfg212 3 weeks ago
@pyromanuel69 "SOPA" means shutup in Greek and "PIPA" means blowjob. Awesome names :)
ThanosPapathanasiou 3 weeks ago
@pyromanuel69
Sopa is Soup in spanish lol
Zerox001001 3 weeks ago
@pyromanuel69 pipa is a word for pipe in slovenian
and is usualy called as penis is sleng...
TheHaloCEfan 2 days ago
@pyromanuel69 in greek its even funnier.
SOPA means "Shut up".
PIPA means "Blow job".
So SOPA & PIPA for the greek people sounds like: "Shut up & give me a blowjob"...
Cant be anymore fitting than that!
georgemargaris 4 hours ago
Watch out for ACTA, it have passed
kn1b1s95 4 weeks ago
@kn1b1s95 it still has to be ratified by the parlament and president
tarkeke 3 weeks ago
@tarkeke when did I say i was American. Im swedish
kn1b1s95 3 weeks ago
I didn't deem you american, and why would there be any difference anyway? the fact remains that the bill have merely been signed, it hasn't been taken to effect and whether Obama and the parliament accept the proposal is yet to be seen. it sure is nervewrecking
tarkeke 3 weeks ago
@kn1b1s95 I'm hella lucky though. I'm norwegian
tarkeke 3 weeks ago
He's Tom Hanks with no hair.. xD
Quinns0Channel 4 weeks ago 44
@Quinns0Channel Is it his brother? because he even sounds like him too :)
tcla75 3 weeks ago
@Quinns0Channel fuck thats who he reminded me of lol
9aight 1 week ago
@Quinns0Channel no sereously, is he?
TheHaloCEfan 2 days ago
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ARent you just DMCA'ing Ted's Video Thunderfoot...?
It looks so Hypocritical of you when you speak out against Doctor WLC...
VenomFangXP 4 weeks ago
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VenomFangXP 4 weeks ago
at 3:00 the guy in back is probably trying to type in 74.125.226.212 to try and see what happened
bssmain 4 weeks ago
Found a great Chinese search engine...Baidu. I don't think any block would work from there.
zookeeper220 1 month ago
@zookeeper220 Tiananmen Square
KayAteChef 4 weeks ago
@KayAteChef Yes, I remember Tiananmen Square and I don't want this country to become China. If China wants to spy on me that's fine..but google has no right and I think they crossed the line.
zookeeper220 4 weeks ago
So now the movie industry wants to suspend selling DVDs to libraries for one year to see how much money they are losing. Disgusting, greedy people.
zookeeper220 1 month ago
so, what is teh actual adress of MEGAUPLOAD? can we access it that way?
tommytalks77 1 month ago
@tommytalks77 Nope, they didn't just remove megaupoad from the DNS. The FBI raided megaupload servers in 5 different countries and took it down completely.
entehrend 4 weeks ago
Fuck SOPA, PIPA and ACTA. Obama's State Of The Union is on YouTube LIVE in about 20 minutes. Flood the comments about these acts of corporate terrorism!!!
Oh and 74.125.226.212 is actually Google, haha!
AdamShumpisxXx 1 month ago
The only channel i find more educational that thunderf00t is TED.
BenFosterism 1 month ago
What these media companies seem to fail to realize is that if they got their way in the first place, then industries that produce billions of dollars for them wouldn't even exist today, like CD, MP3, DVD, Bluray, etc. Instead of stifling, they need to innovate.
DarkMatter2525 1 month ago
Tom Hanks looks mad without hair.
FreindlyRanger 1 month ago
@Thunderf00t,
Thank you for posting this. I've read enough of the bill to see how right he is, but I wouldn't have asked the questions he's proposing without seeing this video. A thousand thanks.
attheveryend 1 month ago
Thank you, Thunderf00t TED and Clay Shirky
vermanshane 1 month ago
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ThatHauntFreak2 1 month ago
but.... sharing is caring!!!
dondondodo 1 month ago 2
34 "old media" companies dislike this video. The rest of us may boycott them by never share the media content they produce.
samuelvelhomusic 1 month ago
this guy reminds me of forrest gump!
ozdrummer83 1 month ago
The speaker forgets another critical point. If you hate how the big content creators are treating us with their efforts to restrict legal copying, then do not consume their content. At All. Don't pay for it, don't borrow it, don't copy it. Just ignore it. If no one consumes their products, their products become worthless.
Suraky 1 month ago
Awesome
Benable7 1 month ago
Please forgive me, but I have transcribed this video for my friends across the ocean who can well enough read English but may have trouble understanding what is being said:
brucenator 1 month ago
[Clay Shirky]: Let me start here. This is a hand-lettered sign that appeared in a mom-and-pop bakery in my old neighborhood in Brooklyn a few years ago. The store owned one of those machines that can print on plates of sugar. And kids could bring in drawings and have the store print a sugar plate for the top of their birthday cake. But unfortunately, one of the things kids like to draw was cartoon characters. They like to draw The Little Mermaid; they'd like to draw Smurf; Mickey Mouse.
brucenator 1 month ago
But it turns out to be illegal to print a child's drawing of Mickey Mouse onto a plate of sugar. It's a copyright violation. And policing copyright violations for children's birthday cakes was such a hassle that the college bakery said, You know what? We're getting out of that business. If you're an amateur, you don't have access to our machine anymore. If you want a printed sugar birthday cake, you have to use one of our prefab images. Only for Professional.
brucenator 1 month ago
So there's two bills in Congress right now. One of them's called SOPA; the other is called PIPA. SOPA stands for the Stop Online Piracy Act; it's from the Senate. PIPA is short for Protect IP, which is itself short for Preventing Real Online Threats to Economic Creativity and Theft of Intellectual Property, because the Congressional aides who name these things have a lot of time on their hands. And what SOPA and PIPA want to do is they want to do this.
brucenator 1 month ago
They want to raise the cost of copyright compliance to the point where people simply get out of the business of offering it as a capability to amateurs. And the way they propose to do this is to identify sites that are substantially infringing on copyright, although how those sites are identified is never fully specified in the bills. And then they want to remove them from the domain name system. They want to take them out of the domain name system.
brucenator 1 month ago
Now the domain name system is the thing that turns human readable names like Google.com into the kinds of addresses machines expect: 74.125.226.212. Now the problem with this model of censorship, of identifying a site and then trying to remove it from the domain name system is that it won't work. And you'd think that would be a pretty big problem for a law, but Congress seems not to have let that bother them too much.
brucenator 1 month ago
Now the reason it won't work is that you can still type 74.125.226.212 into the browser or you can make it a clickable link and you'll still go to Google. So the policing layer around the problem becomes the real threat of the act. Now to understand how Congress came to write a bill that won't accomplish its stated goals but will produce a lot of pernicious side effects, you have to understand a little bit about the back story. And the back story is this.
brucenator 1 month ago
SOPA and PIPA as legislation were drafted largely by media companies that were founded in the 20th century. The 20th century was a great time to be in a media company because the thing you really had on your side was scarcity. If you were making a TV show, it didn't have to be better than all other TV shows ever made, it only had to be better than the two other shows that were on at the same time, which is a very low threshold of competitive difficulty.
brucenator 1 month ago
Which meant that if you fielded average content, you got a third of the US public for free. Tens of millions of users for simply doing something that wasn't too terrible. This is like having a license to print money and a barrel of free ink. But technology moved on as technology is wont to do, and slowly, slowly at the end of the 20th century, that scarcity started to get eroded. And I don't mean by digital technology, I mean by analog technology.
brucenator 1 month ago
Cassette tapes, video casette recorders, even the humble Xerox machine, created new opportunities for us to behave in ways that astonished the media business. Because it turned out, we're not really couch potatoes. We're don't really like only to consume. We do like to consume, but every time one of these new tools came along, it turned out we also like to produce and we like to share. And this freaked the media businesses out. It freaked them out every time.
brucenator 1 month ago
Jack Valenti, who was the head lobbyist for the Motion Picture Association of America, once likened [misspoken as 'licensed'] the ferocious video cassette recorder to Jack the Ripper, and poor, helpless Hollywood to a woman at home alone. That was the level of rhetoric. And so the media industries begged, insisted, demanded that Congress do something. And Congress did something. By the early nineties, Congress passed the law that changed everything.
brucenator 1 month ago
@brucenator
wtf bro? Make a video.
BusinessIDBAI 1 month ago
@BusinessIDBAI Genius!
brucenator 1 month ago
@brucenator
LoL, just saying, I'm not even gonna try to read all those comments. XD
BusinessIDBAI 1 month ago
And that law was called the Audio Home Recording Act of 1992. What the Audio Home Recording Act of 1992 said was, look it, if people are taping stuff off the radio and then making mix tapes for their friends, that is not a crime. That's okay. Taping and remixing and sharing with your friends is okay. If you make lots and lots of high quality copies and you sell them, that's not okay. But this taping business? Fine, let it go.
brucenator 1 month ago
And they thought that they'd clarified the issue because they'd set out a clear distinction between legal and illegal copying. But that's not what the media businesses wanted. They had wanted Congress to outlaw copying full stop. So when the Audio Home Recording Act of 1992 was passed, the media businesses gave up on the idea of legal versus illegal distinctions for copying because it was clear that if Congress was acting in their framework,
brucenator 1 month ago
they might actually increase the rights of citizens to participate in our own media environment. So they went for plan B. Took them a while to formulate Plan B, but Plan B appeared in its first full-blown form in 1998. Something called the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. It was a complicated piece of legislation. A lot of moving parts. But the main thrust of the DMCA was that it was legal to sell you uncopyable digital material.
brucenator 1 month ago
Except that there's no such thing as uncopyable digital material, it would be, as Ed Felton once famously said, Like handing out water that wasn't wet. Bits are copyable. That's what computers do. That is a side effect of their ordinary operation. So in order to fake the ability to sell uncopyable bits, the DMCA also made it legal to force you to use systems that broke the copying function of your devices.
brucenator 1 month ago
Every DVD player and game player and television and computer you brought home, no matter what you thought you were getting when you bought it, could be broken by the content industries if they wanted to set that as a condition of selling you the content, and to make sure that you didn't realize, or didn't enact their capabilities as general purpose computing devices, they also made it illegal for you to try to reset the copyability of that content.
brucenator 1 month ago
The DMCA marks the moment when the media industries gave up on the legal system of distinguishing between legal and illegal copying and simply tried to prevent copying through technical means. Now, the DMCA had, and is continuing to have, a lot of complicated effects, but in this one domain, limiting sharing, it has mostly not worked. And the main reason it hasn't worked is the internet has turned out to be far more popular and far more powerful than anyone imagined.
brucenator 1 month ago
All right? The mix tape, the fanzine, that was nothing compared to what we're seeing now with the internet. We are in a world where most American citizens over the age of 12 share things with each other online. We share written things; we share images; we share audio; we share video. Some of the stuff we share is stuff we've made; some of the stuff we share is stuff we've found; some of the stuff we share is stuff we've made out of what we've found. And all of it horrifies those industries.
brucenator 1 month ago
So PIPA and SOPA are Round 2. But where the DMCA was surgical: we want to go down into your computer; we want to go down into your television set; down into your game machine and prevent it from doing what they said it would do at the store, PIPA and SOPA are nuclear. They are saying we want to go anywhere in the world and censor content. Now the mechanism, as I said, for doing this is you need to take out anybody pointing to those IP addresses.
brucenator 1 month ago
You need to take them out of search engines; you need to take them out of online directories; you need to take them out of user lists. And because the biggest producers of content on the internet are not Google and Yahoo, they're us, we're the people getting policed. Because in the end, the real threat to the enactment of PIPA and SOPA is our ability to share things with one another.
brucenator 1 month ago
So what PIPA and SOPA risk doing is taking a centuries old legal concept: innocent until proven guilty, and reversing it: guilty until proven innocent. You can't share until you show us that you're not sharing something that we don't like. Suddenly the burden of proof for legal versus illegal falls affirmatively on us and on the services that might be offering us any new capabilities, and if it costs even a dime to police a user, that will crush a service with 100 million users.
brucenator 1 month ago
So this is the internet they have in mind. Imagine this sign everywhere. Except imagine it doesn't say College Bakery. Imagine it says YouTube and Facebook and Twitter. Imagine it says TED. Because the comments can't be policed at any acceptable cost. The real effects of SOPA and PIPA are going to be different from the proposed effects. The threat, in fact, is this inversion of the burden of proof.
brucenator 1 month ago
Where we suddenly are all treated like thieves at every moment we're given the freedom to create, to produce or to share. And the people who provide those capabilities to us: the YouTubes and Facebooks; the Twitters and TEDs, are in the business of having to police us or being on the hook for contributory infringement. There's two things you can do to help stop this, a simple thing and a complicated thing, an easy thing and a hard thing.
brucenator 1 month ago
The simple thing, the easy thing is this: if you're an American citizen, call your representative, call your Senator. Now when you look at the people who have co-signed on the SOPA bill, people who have co-signed on PIPA, what you see is that they have cumulatively received millions and millions of dollars from the traditional media industries. You don't have millions and millions of dollars. But you can call your representatives, and you can remind them that you vote.
brucenator 1 month ago
And you can ask not to be treated like a thief. And you could suggest that you prefer that the internet not be broken. And if you're not an American citizen, you can contact American citizens that you know and encourage them to do the same. Because this seems like a national issue, but it is not. These industries will not be content with breaking our internet. If they break it, they will break it for everybody. That's the easy thing. That's the simple thing.
brucenator 1 month ago
The hard thing is this: Get ready, because more is coming. SOPA is simply a re-version of COICA, which was proposed last year, which did not pass. And all of this goes back to the failure of the DMCA to disallow sharing as a technical means. And the DMCA goes back to the Audio Home Recording Act, which horrified those industries. Because the whole business of actually suggesting that someone is breaking the law? and then gathering evidence and proving that?
brucenator 1 month ago
That turns out to be really inconvenient. All right? We'd prefer not to do that, says the content industries. And what they want is not to have to do that. They don't want legal distinctions between legal and illegal sharing. They just want the sharing to go away. PIPA and SOPA are not oddities; they're not anomalies; they're not events. They're the next turn of this particular screw which has been going on twenty years now. And if we defeat these, as I hope that we did, more is coming.
brucenator 1 month ago
Because until we convince Congress that the way to deal with copyright violation is the way copyright violation was dealt with with Napster, with YouTube, which is to have a trial with all the presentation of evidence and the hashing out of facts, and the assessment of remedies that goes on in democratic societies, that's the way to handle this. In the meantime, the hard thing to do is to be ready. Because that's the real message of PIPA and SOPA.
brucenator 1 month ago
Time-Warner has called. And they want us all back on the couch, just consuming. Not producing, not sharing. And we should say no. Thank-you.
brucenator 1 month ago
Gordon Gekko: The point is ladies and gentlemen that greed, for lack of a better word, is good.
Yeah, and sometimes it's really, really bad!
pumpstations 1 month ago
Hey thunderf00t, do me a favor and tell your brainless followers that I'm the one who DMCA'd you. William Lane Craig didn't do the DMCAing. I did. Thanks, buddy. Oh, and I have to thank your minions for at least mentioning my name and channel. That helps!
drcraigvideos 1 month ago
@drcraigvideos
LoL, you're gonna regret that when you're in court. :D
BusinessIDBAI 1 month ago
@drcraigvideos zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
FreindlyRanger 1 month ago
Pirate everything, bankrupt the guys who can't function in this new world. Don't see ANY MOVIES in the theater, don't watch television unless you pirated the episode.
Bankrupt these guys, media will find a way.
BusinessIDBAI 1 month ago
@BusinessIDBAI everyone start developing P2P networks!
azmanabdula 1 month ago
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iriezonapsychonaut 1 month ago
fucking america again.......
(not the people, the goverment)
TheDeathMetalFan666 1 month ago
looks like a bald tom hanks
deliman 1 month ago
But... Sharing, is Caring?
M2TheAcAc 1 month ago
stupid America closing down megaupload/megavideo, the bill hasnt even passed yet!
i want my Real Time
i want my Young Turks
i want my Daily show
i want my Colbert Report
AND I WANT THEM NOW
this shit doesnt air in Australia :'(
Fuck you America, fuck you.
types10000 1 month ago
@types10000
A big boo-boo was MU having servers on U.S. soil. You have good taste in television.
frededison 1 month ago
@types10000
LOL!!!
BusinessIDBAI 1 month ago
@types10000 Gee, does everyone have permission to blanket-hate Australia for the bad stuff that a few people in its government do? Yeah, screw America...its corrupt politicians... its fast food...its tv shows... oh, wait a minute...
OrchestrationOnline 1 month ago
@types10000 Btw, you can watch Young Turks on YT, and TDS and TCR on their own sites. At least those particular effing Americans are happy for the entire world to watch their content for nothing. So stop with the whingeing, mate.
OrchestrationOnline 1 month ago
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@OrchestrationOnline
"you can watch Young Turks on YT"
- great i can watch extracts from one show of the list, that's a great help, NOT
types10000 4 weeks ago
I'm willing to accept some advertising if it meant that I could see, hear and read everything for free online when I want. It's already happening with most TV stations so why can't the movie, music and publishing industries follow suit? If it's because there's not as much money in it then so be it. It's their job to adapt, not ours.
ampoules1 1 month ago
Not to change the subject, but if you put hair on this guy, he looks like Tom Hanks. BTW, nice video.
TheOptimistiCynic 1 month ago
"You are free to copy and mirror it as much as you want, [as long as its non profit and unaltered.]"
The last sentence in the video tag... a perfect example of the HYPOCRISY of the argument against SOPA!
Nothing stops the 'mom & pop bakery' from entering onot a very profitable lisencing agreement with Disney, or Marvel, or any other content creating company.
I am so sick of hearing all the moaning of talentless hacks wnating to use my hard work and creativity for free!!!
fyimediaworld 1 month ago
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UK gov petition against ACTA (close spaces)
girlhitsbus 1 month ago
Oh god! its TOM HANKS! i didnt know he was TED speaker?!?
MaZe741 1 month ago
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jazon345 1 month ago
This is awesome. Everyone in the world should be sat down and shown this.
Deathworg1 1 month ago
I find it simply stupifying that the people we entrust to regulate these issues for us are so fundamentally ignorant of the potential (and/or likely) consequences.
My personal take is that its symptomatic of the generral trend towards ignorance that is the result of the perevailing sentiment that there is no way to differentiate between facts and mere interpration - that there`s no way to distinguish betwen one "opinion" and another.
steveb0503 1 month ago
@steveb0503 Cory Doctorow had an excellent talk about politicians not understanding the Internet on 28C3. The talk is on YouTube: watch?v=HUEvRyemKSg
nextghost 1 month ago
I agree with this video however I wish somebody would at least ACKNOWLEDGE the problems faced by the media industry as a result of mass copyright infringement online.... People should still have the right to create a media product and sell it if they want to.. it doesn't just affect these big evil corporates you speak of.
andychaos1 1 month ago
@andychaos1 Are you referring to the artists? Because I grew up seeing MTV "Cribs" and after seeing for the nth time that most musicians in the business have mansions and enough vehicles to field a small army I lost sympathy.
banditopants 1 month ago
@banditopants I can assure you they represent an ABSOLUTE minority... It would be like saying Mark Zuckerberg represents your average website owner
andychaos1 1 month ago
@andychaos1 Trust me friend, even if the world was perfect and no one stole from other musicians, the Government would of still made this bill.
jazon345 1 month ago
@jazon345 yes, I don't disagree with you... I think SOPA is the wrong way to fix the problem. However I think more is needed to money back into the hands of artists, as you don't hear about the majority who struggle to make a living despite massive demand for their work.
andychaos1 1 month ago
@andychaos1 I see you're a musician so I can completely understand your position on this matter. However, an artist who is signed to a record label will be payed - it is simple as that. If an independent artist uploads his/her music to the internet he can either make it free or make people pay. If that artist were to let's say..upload their song to YouTube they take the risk of having it downloaded with video downloading software. I understand completely how an artist struggles. - (continuted)
jazon345 1 month ago
@jazon345 I'm not taking a position on your argument with andychaos1 here - but just to let you know, if an artist has a label contract, they will most likely NOT be paid unless they are already successful. 90%+ of major label contracts are effectively loans, which the artist must pay back with CD sales and airplay royalties. So essentially, when you free-download them, it takes away their power to get out from under their contract. The company doesn't really care - so guess who getting screwed?
OrchestrationOnline 1 month ago
@OrchestrationOnline As much as I would love to argue with you about some of the affects of copyright infringement, I have to agree with what you are saying for the most part. (I do see somethings differently for instance I have no intention of buying a $2,500 application, but if I get a free copy then I'll take it - and since I wouldn't normally buy it the company is not actually losing any money). But I think the fear and reaction most people are putting out there stems from the fact that...
1n354a 1 month ago
@1n354a I oppose SOPA/PIPA - see my other comments here. But I do firmly believe that part of the social contract means that we don't take things that don't belong to us.
I can't go with your justification of helping yourself to free software that you wouldn't normally use. If you end up using that software, and it makes a difference to your quality of life or work, then indeed the company has lost money.
SOPA/PIPA wouldn't be needed if we all had more respect for individual creators.
OrchestrationOnline 1 month ago
@OrchestrationOnline Oh I have no intention of trying to convince you to accept my rationalizations - after five years my wife still doesn't buy them, why try in 500 characters or less with a complete stranger. That being said, I grew up in the era of tape cassettes and I don't think that I had more than two store bought tapes in my collection. This issue of sharing has more to do with the reality that this has been the culture of the business for many years before Napster and the internet. All
1n354a 1 month ago
...the internet did was make it a lot easier to share files/music/videos. While I agree with you in principle regarding the theft and cost and whatnot, I really don't see any way that they are going to stop the activity without destroying the internet. It is too big...but hey, I guess tomorrow will tell, eh?
1n354a 1 month ago
@OrchestrationOnline But they go out of lengths by taking down youtube videos that happens to have a radio in the background playing a song, and so on.
soulextracter 1 month ago
@soulextracter "They" are bored underlings who are paid to scout through YT (very ineffectively) and do take-downs. The major companies that pay them could care less most of the time. What they don't want is all 12 seasons of their hit show uploaded for free viewing.
I'm more interested in the motivation behind your statement. If your grocer is a jerk, do you have the right to shoplift? No. Shop elsewhere, right?
OrchestrationOnline 1 month ago
..these two bills are not targeting the copyright material and how it is used, rather decimating the process of file sharing whether it is copyrightable material or not. There is a real chance that this would turn private organizations into an unregulated police force...and that is terrifying. I'm all for people paying a reasonable price for a product, but there is a point at which shrinkage needs to be calculated into the price and left at that.
1n354a 1 month ago
@andychaos1 I see you're a musician so I can completely understand your position on this matter. However, an artist who is signed to a record label will be payed - it is simple as that. If an independent artist uploads his/her music to the internet he can either make it free or make people pay. If that artist were to let's say..upload their song to YouTube they take the risk of having it downloaded with video downloading software.
jazon345 1 month ago
@jazon345
"However, an artist who is signed to a record label will be payed - it is simple as that"???
Where exactly do you think the money to pay an artist comes from???
fyimediaworld 1 month ago
@andychaos1 I understand your passion for music and realize how hard it is to be signed. If an artist is so concerned with his/her music they will upload it to iTunes in order to make profit. Well then you may be asking yourself, "Well how do I get people to know what I sound like?" Teasers are relevant, people will notice you if you upload teasers. No one is going to illegally download a teaser. An artist is not going to be robbed these days without first making a profit.
jazon345 1 month ago
@jazon345
Thiis is a rediculous statement.
fyimediaworld 1 month ago
This is turning into Skynet.
The Terminator movies were wrong about it being a military problem!
sigudian 1 month ago
I have never before clapped for a YouTube video in the privacy of my own room. I clapped for this.
rickadlib 1 month ago 2
Was Lars Ulrich the leader of sopa/pepa?
sukablianah2 1 month ago
Vevo music and stuff is understandable, but shit shit is just crazy...
sukablianah2 1 month ago
This is a great vid, Thanks for sharing.
MrRedshadowX 1 month ago
Who sees Tom Hanks?
CortHBS 1 month ago 5
If the opposite of pro is con... is the opposite of progress congress?
shadowradiohead 1 month ago 4
It says "released under creative commons license"... WHICH ONE???????? Not all of them are free you know.
volodyanarchist 1 month ago
Good luck getting the congress to listen, They only listen when you deliver them big sums of money.
makaveliThadon100 1 month ago
@makaveliThadon100 That's why calling your representatives is important. Having huge slabs of money for re-election campaigning is useless if the electorate has already made it clear that they won't be voting for you.
Scintillations314 1 month ago
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Right now the European government is deciding on ACTA, a law similar to SOPA and PIPA, I’m a European and I ask you all to help… Save us from a law that will restrict our freedom! Look up ACTA, and help. I signed against SOPA although I’m not an American: because I know that we might not be in the same country, but we are all on the same internet. Save us from this threat to our freedom!
Thank you in advance
littelcreepygirl 1 month ago
All of this talk of awakening minds? Freeing people? Damn, people need to look at the PHYSICAL space that's taken up by internet users. How many of you know mothers who don't pay attention to their kids 'cause they come home and go straight to facebook? Or kids who don't go out and get enough activity or even sunshine? That's not the product of free, creative artists! That's the bubblegum shit that's put out by the people who run the net like a fancy TV, stick advertising in your faces and make$
SoyBoySigh 1 month ago
@SoyBoySigh Point well made but I submit to you that the forces seeking tirelessly to limit our online experience are the very same forces which have also worked tirelessly to limit our physical experience and thus, the desperation and neglect that is mirrored in the society of which you speak. We don't start stemming the tide of these forces and it will only get much, much worse.
st0rmeknight 1 month ago
I think the real war, (of which consumers will be manipulated to fight for one side or the other, as in all other wars before it will be the little man who pays the price and does the fighting) is over advertising dollars the big internet corporations (google/facebook/twitter/youtube) are raking in, and the companies who publish media who are seeking to protect royalties. But SOPA/PIPA might actually kill the internet as we know it NOW, and leave something much more democratic, even meritocratic
SoyBoySigh 1 month ago
@SoyBoySigh While I will give a salute. I will say this.
Seeing is believing...but seeing isn't knowing, believing isn't knowing. Whether SOPA/PIPA is passed or not will tell us which was the better road to go. Now heres the hard part! When you look at where we stand if SOPA/PIPA are passed or not, what perspective are you looking from?
As an individual who can pick & choose where or what is posted online of their own accord? Or as what it has done to the nation as a whole?
Yujifanik 1 month ago
@SoyBoySigh What makes this a hard thing to do, is that u are, no matter which side u stand on an individual.
& if it is such an inconvience to u that u can't police what people say or show, then the heats on u! What u can do however is police people if & ONLY IF they do something that is overtly negative to the rest of us. If its not hurting or causing people to hurt others than don't stress urself over it. Let those people who are there handle it themselves.
Yujifanik 1 month ago
@SoyBoySigh Now I'm not that naive! I know there will always be more than a few cases! But thats life! It has high points & low!
How u choose to handle them is what ultimately decides ur alligence. But ur still a person w/ flaws & virtues, u are more capable than u think! But don't use that as an end-all-be-all justification for what u do!
Yujifanik 1 month ago
I'm a copyright holder of about 70 original works of intellectual property, and a member of ASCAP, from which I derive royalties. SOPA and PIPA will do more harm to me than good. Petty shut-downs, harassment, and chilling of the internet are bound to occur. International law enforcement already has the capacity to shut down the major copyright violators, which are the mega-upload sites. They don't need to bust some middle school chorus for posting "Tears In Heaven" on YouTube. That's ridiculous.
OrchestrationOnline 1 month ago 2
@OrchestrationOnline
If they post it in order to generate a profit without paying for usage then they should be busted. That's the issue here. I too am a copyright holder (commercial photographer) with hundreds of registered images at the Library of Congress. I have the right to control how my hard work and creativity are used, and I have a right to earn a fair living.
fyimediaworld 1 month ago
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"That's the issue here. I too am a copyright holder (commercial photographer) with hundreds of registered images at the Library of Congress. I have the right to control how my hard work and creativity are used..."
- there already are copyright laws and they are pretty harsh, the issue is that this new legislation puts an unreasonable burden on websites; Whereby any one person with a grudge could potentially take-out an entire forum by posting a single link to illegal content
types10000 1 month ago
@types10000
Linking to content is not a copyright infringement. Reporducing content without authorization is.
fyimediaworld 1 month ago
@types10000
Also, copyright laws are not that harsh and litigation is very expensive.
fyimediaworld 1 month ago
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"Also, copyright laws are not that harsh and litigation is very expensive."
- the DMCA system works fine, however this new system is horribly flawed for reasons i've already outlined.
types10000 4 weeks ago