Summit Series 74 Game 8 - Canadian Complaints

[hanksnow2]

Canada made the mess of it, as usual!

[hanksnow2]

I don't think he flicked it, it looks like he slapped him in the face. Stapleton was responsible for the high sticks just after the slash he gave.

But with out this low brow style of play by Canada, the inferior team Canada would be beaten by 12 or 15 goals, that's how much better the Russians were.

[MrDaemonB]

at around 4:37 you can count 7 skaters for Canada, none of them within 20 feet of bench...good call by the ref

[hammerwielder]

Your video does not support your position. First, it was the announcers, not the Canadian players, who were complaining (and bitter) about the too many men call.

The other incident you include in support of your position is the high-sticking of Stapleton by 21. It was a non-call of a blatant high-stick by 21. Then the idiot Kompalla gives Stapleton a misconduct for going over and trying to point out his error and pointing out the blood from the high stick. Kompalla was indeed incompetent.

[unnamed00]

@hammerwielder

The players were also complaining about the too many men call. The commentators whining is even worse since fans in Canada get the information and impressions on the game based on what they say.

So nothing wrong with Stapleton flicking blood at Kompalla?

He called the penalty right away, but the commentators were too busy whining over nothing to realize it.

[hammerwielder]

@unnamed00

No, Stapleton was the captain and as all captains do approached the referee for an explanation. There was apparently confusion on the Canadian side in the heat of the moment because a player was coming out of the penalty box and another Canadian jumped over the boards. Once Stapleton got the explanation, he skated away andlet the bench know. The coaches clearly accepted the explanation and knew they made a mistake.

The team was understandably dejected, they weren't whining.

[unnamed00]

@hammerwielder

Well eventually the Canadian team realized they were wrong, but the commentators were still lost...

[hammerwielder]

@unnamed00

Chevrier, the main commentator, was a really nice guy but knew nothing about hockey. No knowledgeable Canadian put any stock in what he said during the tournament. Meeker, the color commentator, was a great player from the 40s but famously error-prone in relating facts, so what he said wasn't taken at face value either. Most Canadian fans reached their own conclusions when watching and were very critical of the play by play because it was so often uninformed.

[unnamed00]

@hammerwielder

Most often fans go by what the commentators say, especially in heated and confusing situations like this.

[hammerwielder]

No, Kompalla did not signal any penalty. His arm wasn't up, he wasn't pointing at Shadrin, etc. That's why Stapleton was incensed, because while it was typical of Kompalla to call a penalty on any Canadian who moved he was slow to call Soviet infractions. If Stapleton flicked blood, he deserved a misconduct, but there was a context you ignore in terms of the history with Kompalla. Tretiak knew knew Stapleton was mild-mannered and did it out of frustration thus he showed Stapleton respect.

[unnamed00]

@hammerwielder

Well it looks like he blew the whistle when he saw that both players had their sticks up.

When he saw that Stapleton was really bleeding he called the penalty.

All Stapleton had to do was show the blood but he chose to flick it...

[hammerwielder]

@unnamed00

Kompalla called the penalty only after Mahovlich, Keon and Hull went over and pointed out his error. How is that good officiating? Keon also waved away Stapleton from the discussion and handled Kompalla's incompetence with professionalism. The commentators were not "whining over nothing"; if Kompalla had been competent, Stapleton wouldn't have had to take a misconduct penalty. This was not an isolated incident with Kompalla, he was reliably incompetent and biased against Canada.

[unnamed00]

@hammerwielder

If Stapleton was professional and controlled his temper he would not have gotten the misconduct.

Again Kompalla called the penalty when he saw that Stapleton was cut.

[JamieM63]

The whole series in Russia was just one outrageous referee call after another favoring the Russians. The fact that the Russian ref makes one correct call with 3 seconds left is irrelevant.

I saw the series live on TV when I lived in Montreal.

Why don't you show a clip of the end of game 7? (see below)

[unnamed00]

@JamieM63

There were no Russian referees.

For this game the referee was German and in game 7 it was a Canadian referee who disallowed the goal. So there goes your conspiracy theory...

[JamieM63]

The timekeeper who let many seconds tick away in Game 7, after the whistle, costing Canada the game, was RUSSIAN.

Why not show the end of Game 7 and let people decide for themselves?

Kompalla was known as a Russian puppet from the '72 series. The day before Game 8 of the '72 series, the scheduled Swedish ref got suspiciously ill from food poisoning. (Russians would do anything to cheat.) The Russians first pick to replace him, over Canadian protests, was Kompalla.

[unnamed00]

More conspiracy theories from you...

If the Canadian referee did not add back enough seconds, that is his fault.

[JamieM63]

The Canadians were so upset because, at the end of game 7, with the score tied, the timekeeper let the clock tick away after the whistle blew. Many seconds were lost - only three seconds were added back. Team Canada then scored a goal as the buzzer sounded, making it 5 to 4, but it didn't count. The instant reply showed the puck crossing the line a fraction of a second after the light went on ending the game.

Team Canada would have won game 7 but for the Russian time keeping "mistake."

[tomtrh]

Simple math 5+1=6! Kompalla's Math 5 +1=7?!?!

[unnamed00]

No 5 + 2 = 7; Kompalla's math was correct here, as I have shown.

[grimdetermination]

@unnamed00 - I don't understand; there was only 6 skaters on the ice? The goalie was pulled.

[unnamed00]

@grimdetermination

There were seven skaters for Canada.

[krezzykrezz]

This was the second summit series. '72 was the famous one with the Paul Henderson series winning goal. '74 Team Canada was made up of WHA players (who had been excluded from the '72 series.) Hull, Howe, Cheevers, Stapleton, JC Tremblay were in the WHA along with other fine players. It was not the caliber of the NHL but it was good, exciting hockey for fans shut out by the NHL. BTW the play-by-play man is Don Chevrier, who was far from the top of the ladder. This was on CTV, not CBC.

[popman648]

this aint the summit series

[abc1000001]

Kompalla was horrible. The referees in Europe were extremely incompetent. As well, it has been proven that they were intimidated to side with the Russians.

[unnamed00]

Horrible and incompetent? Well this video shows otherwise...

[abc1000001]

Look at 72 and you can undeniably see his incompetence. I sincerely doubt that he had a change of heart and/or all of a sudden became competent in a 2 year span. Ridiculous.

[unnamed00]

Well you can see here that the Canadians complain over nothing out of frustration.

This leads me to believe the same happened in 72.

[abc1000001]

One would need to see the whole series where Kompalla was officiating. Your assumption of 72 would be extremely offbase.

[unnamed00]

I already saw enough of it to conclude otherwise.

[abc1000001]

Then you're obviously very partisan.

[wrangler4banger]

The main Canadian complaint was that the Soviet team played with professionals at the olympics between 1956-1988. The last Soviet era gold was in 1992, since then, what happened?

[unnamed00]

Well the USSR fell apart if you did not notice... And with it hockey and sports in general.

As for professionals, the only players who were not allowed in the Olympics were NHL players. This mostly affected Canada and the US back then, as only a few European players played in the NHL.

[wrangler4banger]

The russians were the best in 70-80s. No doubts.

[grimdetermination]

@unnamed00 - Kompalla called 31 penalties against Canada in Game 6 of the 72 series.

[unnamed00]

@grimdetermination

Not 31 penalties but 31 minutes of penalties, which included a 10 minute misconduct.

[mav3196]

i love how this video DOES NOT show why the canadians were so frustrated with the officials..haha.....typical...­.......watch the whole series and SEE what the canadians had to put up with...and ask yourself.....what would you do with such crap officiating.........the canadians got pissed off for good reason....but the hell with ya all...we still won it...and we are the best.......

[unnamed00]

You did not win this...

These examples show that the Canadians were making faulty accusations out of frustration.

[abc1000001]

@mav3196

I agree with what you've said except for the end. The WHA Canadian team lost the series.

[ottvalley]

I'm Canadianand I'm ashamed that we did so much whining about the bad refs.The Russians beat us fair and square

[mav3196]

@ottvalley maybe you should watch again.....or maybe your really a russian...cause its fairly obvious....

[mav3196]

@ottvalley im ashamed you canadian too....and how little you know about the rules....

[spacerazer]

Canada won game 7 . If you saw the game you know what I am talking about.

[unnamed00]

Well the commentators here say the referee made the right call in game 7.

[Jordan8789]

I' m sorry who has the number one ranking... oh ya Canada. Russia can only win the world chapionships because all of Canada's top players are in the NHL playoffs...

[unnamed00]

All of Canada's top players? You mean many. Same thing for Russia now, so what is your point?

And also Russia is #1 in the rankings now.

[mav3196]

80 - 90 percent of canadas best players as compared to 30 percent of russian players....fact!..look it up....and canada is ranked number 1 for the olympics.....we could actually field 2 teams for the olympics..and get the gold and silver...,,russia has actually fallen to third behind the americans...check you facts dude....cause you sound like and idiot...

[unnamed00]

You idiot, go look at the rankings on iihf . com...

Canada can send two teams? Was not that what the Canadians were saying in 2006 also...

And don't know where you get 80-90% for Canada and 30% for Russia.

[Yamer17]

Obviously two different opinions.

[Yamer17]

Surely you have better arguments than this.

In the end Canada won '72 which was a far better, more competitive series than '74. And Kompalla couldn't grasp the physical play and the emotion of such a series. And Canada isn't the only country that thinks so.

[unnamed00]

What other country thought so?

Remember what the Swedes were saying about the Canadians in 72?

[Yamer17]

My God man, what have I said in the last two posts? The Swedes were just as upset as Canada in 72. The Swedes complained that Canada was dirty, and the Canadians did the same thing. BOTH countries complained about the officiating. It just plain looked bad on the game of hockey.

How can you possibly defend a referee who didn't do his job? And defend him so helplessly? Maybe he was the greatest referee in the history of Germany, but he was still a hockey liability.

[unnamed00]

Well I am defending him here and here he did his job, while the Canadians complained and whined over nothing.

I don't know if Sweden complained about the officiating in 72, but they clearly did about how dirty Canada played.

Of course the referees had trouble; they never had to deal with such disgusting play.

[Yamer17]

He was icompetent. The myth's are true to the sense that they are terrible with NHL rules.

Maybe this poster should check out the exhibition game from the 72 series that was played in Sweden. Niether side deserved that kind of officiating. Part of Wayne Cashman's tongue is still frozen to the ice.

Kharlamov kicked some serious ass, and Tretiak is a legend who is way undersold.

Anyone who thought the WHA players had a chance after what happened in 72 was into some bad borsh.

[unnamed00]

Terrible with NHL rules?? Well this was not the NHL...

[Yamer17]

WHA vs NHL, name the major differences.

To my understanding North American rules are often referred to as NHL rules, as the NHL dominates the North American Market. Either way physical contact was much more prevalent in the North American/NHL side of things than the European/International side. Like Eagleson said before the 72 series "Every bodycheck will be a God damn major penalty." At that time it was, and I don't things changed much in 2 years. I suspect WHA players demanded NA rules.

[unnamed00]

Demanded? These games were not played under NA "rules" only.

It was more about NA style being too dirty than too physical.

[Yamer17]

Actually, checking into the series and from the footage I've seen on my WHA dvd (which includes a game from this series) it WAS North American rules. And just like the NHL players did in 72, the WHA players refused to play under International rules.

I can understand your defense of Kompalla as a lot of what was said of him at the time was overblown, but don't label him as a complete scapegoat.

European players were just as 'dirty' as North Americans. They just used their sticks instead.

[unnamed00]

Stop using the stick excuse.

If you are slashing and punching your opponents, you can expect to be hit back.

As for the rules, they were playing on IIHF sized rinks and with IIHF referees, so why should the game be officiated by how the Canadian players want it? It does not make sense and it was not done so.

[Yamer17]

You said slashing, destroying your 'Stop using the stick excuse' argument. Just because they played on international sized ice in RUSSIA ONLY doesn't mean they didn't use North American rules. Come on.

And the reason they went with NA rules is because the NHL and WHA didn't need this tournament to market their game. Russia did, because all they did was play internationally. What good is dominating the Olympics when the best Canadian players aren't even there?

[unnamed00]

The WHA did not need international tournaments to market their game??

Where did you get that they had to use NA rules? What was the difference in rules?

It was more about the styles of officiating (what to call, what not to call).

And I meant that Canadian players were slashing.

[wg390]

Canada team is a bunch of monkeys on the ice, who coulnt play hockey and always looking for banana from Rusians

[chapaev36]

I should mention that Canadians destroyed all of the footage of the 74 series they could find and the recent DVD set was only released due to an uncovering of a pirated copy.

[chapaev36]

It was the refs' fault! Wink:)

[Flamesfan7]

No one cares about this series anyways.

[unnamed00]

Well obviously you don't since Canada lost...

[ProbertFire]

Sure.

[Yamer17]

But we won '72. And I would say that most Canadians don't even remember this. Russia had the WHA beaten in every aspect of the game. Goaltending to scoring, hitting to team play.

But the WHA was a cast-off of the NHL, probably a quarter of the talent pool.

[DarknessOfIce]

Did I hear that one of the announcers was named Cole? Perhaps homerism is genetic?

[tomtrh]

Bob Cole called the games for CBC Radio & because of a glitch in the satellite, his commentary was heard on the TV broadcast of one of the Moscow games.

[tnix80]

Canadian hockey is just dirty and ugly.  No wonder americans don't watch hockey.

[tomtrh]

The Soviets threatened to call off Game 8 at the FIRST SIGN of anything untoward.Totally unprecedented!!!! Game 6 was positively loopy while Game 7 was one of the best games of the series.

Btw, Game 1 was the best of the series. Even though the Soviets won 4-1-3, it could have been very easily a tied series.

Before I scoot, I agree with Wpg about Kompalla....he was the most incompetent referee in the history of Hockey.

[unnamed00]

Well that is what they keep whining about on your TV.

You just wish he would have been like Koharski...

[WpgLwr007]

Josef Kompalla again, the best referee the Russians ever had.

Yeah, I know he was a German. So what? The way he reffed, he was always biased in favor of the Soviets.

Face facts -- Kompalla was a lousy ref and had no consistency -- unless you want to meniton that he was consistently bad.

As for the commentators here, yes, they were bad; but then again, with one of them being Howie Meeker, what do you expect?

[unnamed00]

What did Kompalla do wrong here?

[maksim82tallin]

canada sometime plays very dirty

[okpapereat]

there still no excuses NHL or not do you even know the roster they had some great canadian pleyer for the 1974 series with gordie howe, bobby hull you have to know its the ref that made canada loose because with these kinda player you can not loose you know

[atolk]

The PA announces Shadrin's high-sticking major at 1:06 of the clip. The Canadian commentators spend the next 2 minutes complaining about the no-call, and eventually figure out the penalty had been called a minute and a half after the play resumes. They got the too-many-men situation equally wrong, as the clip clearly demonstrates.

There was no lack of excuses from either side in '72 and '74, depending on who lost.

[djob2676]

At that time, the way hockey was played in Europe and North America were so different that there was really no way to officiate it without really pissing off one (or both) sides. What was considered acceptable and part of the game on one side of the pond was considered outrageous and terrible on the other, and vice versa. It's still like that a bit, but to a much lesser extent.

[fvckoffzhirkov87]

lmao, this is why I hate Canadian hockey. Shadiest team with the shadiest fans.

[dome1972]

Calm down sweety. The hate and contiversy between these hockey super powers is what makes these games so incredibly intense.

[Audioquest56]

??? Are you some kind of idiot ???

GO CANADA GO!

[jacobean]

The Canada team was represented by the WHA players instead of the NHL players

[atolk]

I dunno, there are some pretty big names being mentioned in the clip. You win some, you lose some. Get over it.

[chichigord]

Gordie Howe is like 50 here and Bobby Hull 40...So, congratulations on beating our senior team

[unnamed00]

Hull a senior player? So I guess the 76 Canada Cup team was also senior...

[wearemisled2]

This is pretty funny. It reminds me of the '96 World cup final game that Canada played against the U.S.A. They complained about almost every goal. It is really kind of sad. We all know that the Canadians have the best hockey players in the world, but that doesn't mean you can win everything all the time.

[mrhiway420]

...by the way your 7 person count included the jerk referee, my god u must be as blind and dumb as the ref

[unnamed00]

Ok, so I guess the referee was a Siamese twin?

[djob2676]

No, there were 7 Canadians on the ice. There is one player to the left of the referee. Obviously, there was some poor commentating here. But that doesn't mean the officiating wasn't awful. It's no myth. It's a lot better today than it was then, however.

[mrhiway420]

come on buddy! these ref's were crooked jerks, stapleton got cut wide open, ref didnt call it, remember game 8 of the '72 series?? ..GIVE YOUR HEAD A SHAKE!!!

[unnamed00]

He did call it, but the Canadian commentators were too busy whining to realize it.