humans need to respect the nature of wildlife and leave them alone. These people breed the foxes to get tame ones and simply kill all the others because of their aggresive nature. So if the fox remains a natural fox and would not want to be touched by humans, it is killed.
Dogs Decoded (Nova) documentary explains everything about this experiment - amazing how shying away from aggressiveness changes biological features in foxes. Begs the question, are we a product of a similar experiment?
It took man centuries to turn wolves to dogs, and another few thousand years to get the tea cup puppies. Think of what this will be like in a few hundred years
@legokid375 You Definitely need watch Nova's Dogs Decoded... it explains how the foxes were domesticated in three generations and had major physical changes at eight. It would only take about fifty years to turn a wolf into a dog, and then selective breeding for specific traits takes over and you can acquire "Lab Like" characteristics by then only breeding for color, size and shape since the temperament would already be present from the 3rd-8th generations.
This is based on how theorist believed ancient man domesticated the wolves. They bred in friendly behavior, and generally made the first pets, which would protect their villages, and even help with hunting.
With growing human population and urbanization, the future for many species, maybe even all, may only be as either attractions in a park or pets in a home, so I think that the domestication of as many species as possible through behavioral selection is a very good field to be involved in. I applaud what these people have done.
So the institute have taken things even further and applied the same behavioral selection to minks...and succeeded. Plus points too, for CibFox and the institute on always making sure the friendly foxes are spayed/neutered when they are adopted as pets. Ugh, I genuinely wished I actually had the money to help fund this and improve living conditions, because this is groundbreaking science. The lack of funding and exposure this has is quite sad, to be honest, because this really is a big deal.
the aggressive ones are genetically predisposed to being irritable to people, whilst the domesticated ones are more likely to cooperate and be friendly. what do you see more of, domesticated dogs, or wolves? it's natural selection in action
@XpoldingToast uhhhhhh when you see what happens on a fur farm there's NO question this is better. Think about it, lack of food, getting wounds from sores, SMALLER cages, and then getting electrocuted in the butt many many times... painfully as you won't die the first time.
Frankly, they're not rich people and they do the best they CAN to give these guys a good home. No, it's not as nice as going free but they don't know how to hunt, fend for themselves. blame the fur farmers.
I disagree with you. I think it is a bad excuse, that they dont have the money.To put them in bigger cages. Im study animelcare and have learnt of the 5 freedoms of animal welfare. Animals must behave like they do in the wild. But in these smal cages it impossibles.I dont know what is sader =/ Animals cant talk they dont have a choice. And the fur farmers are horrible, i take the big blame on the buyers!If no one buys it there no business.
@lachattenoire27 It's actually part of the experiment. They put many and severe stressers on the foxes. The original experiment was actually to test factors influencing domestication.
They need to breed fur colours other than black and silver. Or breed them super small with cute big ears. As is, these look way too intimidating for pets.
Sure, you can try to use that to their advantage and train them as "guard dogs", but the first instinct of foxes are to run from humans, not confront them.
I have noticed that the common denominator with regards to 'domesticated' species like the humans, the dogs, as well as now the foxes is neoteny. That is, somehow retaining much of juvenile traits even into adulthood. Perhaps this is one of the secret behind the humanity's ability to build complex societies; impossible to pull it off if there are too many aggressive individuals in charge.
Scientifically speaking, Human beings are domesticated apes. It is exactly the same principle as what those Russian guys are doing, and what we have been clumsily doing to horses, dogs, sheep and the works.
ur an idiot of course its going to be "agressive" if you poke at the poor fox. it feels threatene, and what do animals do when they feel thretened? they bit you dip-shit. have some common frickin knowledge.
i feel srry for these foxes though :(, it wasnt meant to be how they're supposed to live their lives, you'll never really domesticate a wild animal. it's like saying that you've taken the fox out of the fox, it wont ever happen. c'mon people.
@howlingserenity im not against having them as pets, but there's no way that they will be domesticated house pets. if you want a domesticated fox just go get yourself a frickin pomeranian,
@howlingserenity, once again: Where the fuck did all the domesticated farm animals and pets come from if we didn't domesticate them? Believe it or not, there are wild chicken species. These scientists have found the formula for quicker domestication. Our ancestors didn't understand the importance of genes, so it took much longer to domesticate dogs and cats.
@howlingserenity Pomeranians are domesticated WOLVES. And the domestic subgroup of these foxes *is* domesticated. They are genetically inclined to human-friendly behavior.
Similar experiments were done with Gambian pouched rats, and it took five generations to achieve domestic behavior.
@howlingserenity, dogs, Chickens, pigs, cattle, these things didn't just come from nowhere. These researchers are doing important work so that we can understand genes. The aggressive foxes have been bred to be more aggressive and the docile ones are now so docile that they can live peacefully with rabbits. Yes, it's sad that the experiment has so little funding that these foxes live in cages. But, they have done great work that will help scientists everywhere understand animal genes.
@howlingserenity thats what the experiment was all about.where do you think dogs came from? they come from wolves. the video dident give you very much information but dident you wonder why the foxes where blue and white and back? they dont know either. the what they did in the biggening is they bread the least natraly aggressive ones and slow got a friendly fox! in the same way the wolves where tamed. but also in the same what they started to change in apperance as well. like flopped ears
Aww, i could give one of my leg just to be with a pet fox the rest of my life, unfortunately all kinds of fox are illegal as pets in Canada, i think now even fennecs are, oh well, way to go Canada, you know how to make me sad...
Wow even mink? the science in domestication is amazing. Maybe instead of people getting hard to handle wild animals like tigers and wolves, we should domesticate them first like these foxes, wait, thats where the cat and dog came from huh? lol well then since people want the "look" of these beautiful wild animals, we should try breeding certain dogs or cats to just look like the wild thing. someone once wanted a "miniature husky" then after careful breeding, out came the Alaskan Klee Kai.
@merefin They don't have much funding. They had to greatly reduce the project after the breakup of the Soviet Union. I agree, though, that the cages should be more comfortable.
I think it's a good thing that Russia is not allowing other countries to breed them, and only selling them spayed and neutered. If intact foxes were to get into the hands of people who don't care for their well-being, they could end up in the same situations as dogs and cats. We would have "fox mills" just as we have puppy mills. They would be bred not just as pets, but to be killed for their fur.
@TheBlissfulCalamity I agree completely, these guys are selling them as loving companions, and guarantee healthy foxes, and i would hate to see foxes bred by an uneducated public, or as u said, in a horrible fox mill.
I would like to eventually purchase one of these tame foxes but after seeing the conditions they live in is anyone else concerned this is nothing more than a puppy mill?
@AnnaMariaPureblood Had me concerned too. Russia is maybe not as pet caring as Europe (I don't know about the US?). Nothing was worth than Japan from what I could experience... But still we don't know how they are treated on their daily life. Maybe they get a lot more interactions among each other, nature and human beings.
@Gatchan2 I think i may eventually make a substantial donation to their experiment with it being contractually conditioned on the improvement of both the fox's quality of life and living quarters. If they're willing to make those changes i may invest and purchase a fox :). The experiment itself is really fascinating and i think could make tremendous strides in understanding domestication of animals in general, but those conditions, they were a bit off-putting!
im drunk, about to post a vid of me and boxxy playing. Foxes do bit. If you trian them correctly they do not draw blood. Even though my spelling is all shit right now, I trained her to bite me only so hard. although, their cat like claws is another story. I gave you my yahoo contact if you wanna see so stfu if your just going to troll.
@M4ST3RL1NKX88 Should we thank you both for showing that youtube is filled with minus type of homo sapiens? Do yourselves a favor, read your discussion again from the start and reflect on how aggressive and pointless everything you said was. Except for the first comment of course. Although it's not a dog indeed :P
@M4ST3RL1NKX88 Wow, you must be a sad person for spouting so much hate on others. But it's none of my business, you're right.
Some may call that trolling, but I saw several people react positively to such teasing and stop the stupid fights. Sorry for trying to make you think and reflect, you're more of a lost cause anyway (or so it seems).
2:10 is sooooooooooooooooooo cool
chrisdyang 3 days ago
humans need to respect the nature of wildlife and leave them alone. These people breed the foxes to get tame ones and simply kill all the others because of their aggresive nature. So if the fox remains a natural fox and would not want to be touched by humans, it is killed.
safeek73 6 days ago
Does anyone know what happens to the tame fox breed? Are they adopted out? What about the aggressive?
Nbrito06 1 week ago
This is sad... poor animals
ana2703 2 weeks ago
@ana2703 I agree, putting them in cages is disgusting. Taming isn't bad, but taming in a cage, horrible.
bman6661 3 days ago
Dogs Decoded (Nova) documentary explains everything about this experiment - amazing how shying away from aggressiveness changes biological features in foxes. Begs the question, are we a product of a similar experiment?
sasamuraki 2 weeks ago
@sasamuraki You got that right... I just wish there was an easier way to obtain one of their foxes, other than flying to Siberia myself.
SierraCanine 1 week ago
thunbs up if you think these people are fucktards
menfolk1 3 weeks ago
It took man centuries to turn wolves to dogs, and another few thousand years to get the tea cup puppies. Think of what this will be like in a few hundred years
legokid375 1 month ago
@legokid375 You Definitely need watch Nova's Dogs Decoded... it explains how the foxes were domesticated in three generations and had major physical changes at eight. It would only take about fifty years to turn a wolf into a dog, and then selective breeding for specific traits takes over and you can acquire "Lab Like" characteristics by then only breeding for color, size and shape since the temperament would already be present from the 3rd-8th generations.
SierraCanine 1 week ago
This is based on how theorist believed ancient man domesticated the wolves. They bred in friendly behavior, and generally made the first pets, which would protect their villages, and even help with hunting.
WhiteFoxva 1 month ago
With growing human population and urbanization, the future for many species, maybe even all, may only be as either attractions in a park or pets in a home, so I think that the domestication of as many species as possible through behavioral selection is a very good field to be involved in. I applaud what these people have done.
BIytheisGreat 1 month ago
Sad really :(
IsmokeTouch 1 month ago
I died a little when the white fox came on >.<
AtomicLemonade 1 month ago
So the institute have taken things even further and applied the same behavioral selection to minks...and succeeded. Plus points too, for CibFox and the institute on always making sure the friendly foxes are spayed/neutered when they are adopted as pets. Ugh, I genuinely wished I actually had the money to help fund this and improve living conditions, because this is groundbreaking science. The lack of funding and exposure this has is quite sad, to be honest, because this really is a big deal.
clovera 2 months ago
thumbs up if you want a domesticated mink too!
Mintyflip 2 months ago
the aggressive ones are genetically predisposed to being irritable to people, whilst the domesticated ones are more likely to cooperate and be friendly. what do you see more of, domesticated dogs, or wolves? it's natural selection in action
dominsu 2 months ago
i wanna fox D:
22IceEye 3 months ago
why do you have to keep them in such unnatural cages??
hortulanus94 3 months ago
"rescued from fur farms..." I wonder if these conditions are much better.
XpoldingToast 3 months ago
@XpoldingToast uhhhhhh when you see what happens on a fur farm there's NO question this is better. Think about it, lack of food, getting wounds from sores, SMALLER cages, and then getting electrocuted in the butt many many times... painfully as you won't die the first time.
Frankly, they're not rich people and they do the best they CAN to give these guys a good home. No, it's not as nice as going free but they don't know how to hunt, fend for themselves. blame the fur farmers.
SCeles 2 months ago
@SCeles
I disagree with you. I think it is a bad excuse, that they dont have the money.To put them in bigger cages. Im study animelcare and have learnt of the 5 freedoms of animal welfare. Animals must behave like they do in the wild. But in these smal cages it impossibles.I dont know what is sader =/ Animals cant talk they dont have a choice. And the fur farmers are horrible, i take the big blame on the buyers!If no one buys it there no business.
Thebonefireful 1 month ago
@lachattenoire27 It's actually part of the experiment. They put many and severe stressers on the foxes. The original experiment was actually to test factors influencing domestication.
Shinjinumero1 3 months ago
They need to breed fur colours other than black and silver. Or breed them super small with cute big ears. As is, these look way too intimidating for pets.
Sure, you can try to use that to their advantage and train them as "guard dogs", but the first instinct of foxes are to run from humans, not confront them.
kovona 3 months ago
@kovona That white gray one was perfect.
kovona 3 months ago
I have noticed that the common denominator with regards to 'domesticated' species like the humans, the dogs, as well as now the foxes is neoteny. That is, somehow retaining much of juvenile traits even into adulthood. Perhaps this is one of the secret behind the humanity's ability to build complex societies; impossible to pull it off if there are too many aggressive individuals in charge.
Waterflux 3 months ago in playlist Fox Domestication
@Waterflux Neoteny. I will have to remember that term.
unifiedreality 3 months ago
Scientifically speaking, Human beings are domesticated apes. It is exactly the same principle as what those Russian guys are doing, and what we have been clumsily doing to horses, dogs, sheep and the works.
unifiedreality 3 months ago
@unifiedreality shut up monkey
FristOneStoned 3 months ago
@FristOneStoned Your mamma... was a monkey.
unifiedreality 3 months ago
@unifiedreality loool bitch ! how stupid you sound, how u gona get mad when u was calling ur self an ape before i was . . stupid bitch !
FristOneStoned 3 months ago
ur an idiot of course its going to be "agressive" if you poke at the poor fox. it feels threatene, and what do animals do when they feel thretened? they bit you dip-shit. have some common frickin knowledge.
i feel srry for these foxes though :(, it wasnt meant to be how they're supposed to live their lives, you'll never really domesticate a wild animal. it's like saying that you've taken the fox out of the fox, it wont ever happen. c'mon people.
howlingserenity 4 months ago
@howlingserenity im not against having them as pets, but there's no way that they will be domesticated house pets. if you want a domesticated fox just go get yourself a frickin pomeranian,
howlingserenity 4 months ago
@howlingserenity, once again: Where the fuck did all the domesticated farm animals and pets come from if we didn't domesticate them? Believe it or not, there are wild chicken species. These scientists have found the formula for quicker domestication. Our ancestors didn't understand the importance of genes, so it took much longer to domesticate dogs and cats.
TVSheShe 4 months ago
@howlingserenity Pomeranians are domesticated WOLVES. And the domestic subgroup of these foxes *is* domesticated. They are genetically inclined to human-friendly behavior.
Similar experiments were done with Gambian pouched rats, and it took five generations to achieve domestic behavior.
tinkerbom 3 months ago
@howlingserenity, dogs, Chickens, pigs, cattle, these things didn't just come from nowhere. These researchers are doing important work so that we can understand genes. The aggressive foxes have been bred to be more aggressive and the docile ones are now so docile that they can live peacefully with rabbits. Yes, it's sad that the experiment has so little funding that these foxes live in cages. But, they have done great work that will help scientists everywhere understand animal genes.
TVSheShe 4 months ago
@howlingserenity thats what the experiment was all about.where do you think dogs came from? they come from wolves. the video dident give you very much information but dident you wonder why the foxes where blue and white and back? they dont know either. the what they did in the biggening is they bread the least natraly aggressive ones and slow got a friendly fox! in the same way the wolves where tamed. but also in the same what they started to change in apperance as well. like flopped ears
22IceEye 3 months ago
Poor animals.
I wonder if those researchers would want to be locked up in a 2 on 2 meters cage most of the day for the rest of their lives.
the cages also have no proper floor, it must be a torture to be forced to stand and walk in those cages for long periods of time.
dzhibrish 4 months ago
They are ridiculously adorable. Maybe one day I'll have 7,000 extra dollars laying around and can get one. :P
nbaronzzi 5 months ago
Aww, i could give one of my leg just to be with a pet fox the rest of my life, unfortunately all kinds of fox are illegal as pets in Canada, i think now even fennecs are, oh well, way to go Canada, you know how to make me sad...
keven977 5 months ago
Wow even mink? the science in domestication is amazing. Maybe instead of people getting hard to handle wild animals like tigers and wolves, we should domesticate them first like these foxes, wait, thats where the cat and dog came from huh? lol well then since people want the "look" of these beautiful wild animals, we should try breeding certain dogs or cats to just look like the wild thing. someone once wanted a "miniature husky" then after careful breeding, out came the Alaskan Klee Kai.
Disneydreamgirl33 5 months ago
I live in America but I am gonna get one :3
rosie5685 5 months ago
mamma mia che animale stupendo!!!
MegaFragger 5 months ago
omfg I want the one at 2:12 so badly! Just adorable <3
ChantelleBritney 5 months ago
The conditions for the project could be VASTLY improved.
merefin 5 months ago
@merefin They don't have much funding. They had to greatly reduce the project after the breakup of the Soviet Union. I agree, though, that the cages should be more comfortable.
suicune690 4 months ago
brilliant..foxes in small cages and waiting for being domesticated..ppl are just genius
sErna97 6 months ago
I think it's a good thing that Russia is not allowing other countries to breed them, and only selling them spayed and neutered. If intact foxes were to get into the hands of people who don't care for their well-being, they could end up in the same situations as dogs and cats. We would have "fox mills" just as we have puppy mills. They would be bred not just as pets, but to be killed for their fur.
TheBlissfulCalamity 6 months ago
@TheBlissfulCalamity I agree completely, these guys are selling them as loving companions, and guarantee healthy foxes, and i would hate to see foxes bred by an uneducated public, or as u said, in a horrible fox mill.
Disneydreamgirl33 5 months ago
GASP!!!! I WANT ONE!!!! To bad they coast like 7,000 billion dollars. Maybe i should get a puppy.
underage4men 6 months ago
thumbs up if you think that foxes should be domesticated
SuperCODfreak99 7 months ago 26
@SuperCODfreak99 They already are domesticated -_-
iCyFlaMeZ96 7 months ago 51
@SuperCODfreak99 They are.
FeliDJrah 2 months ago
thumbs up if you think foxes should be domesticated
SuperCODfreak99 7 months ago
I would like to eventually purchase one of these tame foxes but after seeing the conditions they live in is anyone else concerned this is nothing more than a puppy mill?
AnnaMariaPureblood 7 months ago
@AnnaMariaPureblood Had me concerned too. Russia is maybe not as pet caring as Europe (I don't know about the US?). Nothing was worth than Japan from what I could experience... But still we don't know how they are treated on their daily life. Maybe they get a lot more interactions among each other, nature and human beings.
Gatchan2 6 months ago
@Gatchan2 I think i may eventually make a substantial donation to their experiment with it being contractually conditioned on the improvement of both the fox's quality of life and living quarters. If they're willing to make those changes i may invest and purchase a fox :). The experiment itself is really fascinating and i think could make tremendous strides in understanding domestication of animals in general, but those conditions, they were a bit off-putting!
AnnaMariaPureblood 6 months ago
@AnnaMariaPureblood That would be nice!
Gatchan2 6 months ago
ever since i was a kid i wanted a fox there sooo cute :)
i love u people for domesticating foxes :)
randomcandyhello 8 months ago
im drunk, about to post a vid of me and boxxy playing. Foxes do bit. If you trian them correctly they do not draw blood. Even though my spelling is all shit right now, I trained her to bite me only so hard. although, their cat like claws is another story. I gave you my yahoo contact if you wanna see so stfu if your just going to troll.
sum0f1 8 months ago
Why is that jerk cameraman teasing the aggressive ones?
lachattenoire27 8 months ago
@lachattenoire27
Probably mostly to show how aggressive the "aggressive ones" are
iCyFlaMeZ96 8 months ago 19
knowing that camara man i wow be angry too.
2ChicksAndCamara 8 months ago
AWWWWWWWWWWW
M4ST3RL1NKX88 9 months ago
lol, that dog in the back's got crack
Extimous 9 months ago
@Extimous
Not. A. Dog.
M4ST3RL1NKX88 9 months ago
@M4ST3RL1NKX88 you just put 3 incomplete sentences dont correct me for shit
Extimous 9 months ago
@Extimous
It's for emphasis you stupid fuck. I'm in advanced English, you're in grade school.
M4ST3RL1NKX88 8 months ago
@M4ST3RL1NKX88 1.) i knew you were using it for emphasis, dont you think i see other dumbasses doing the same thing?
2.) then use those skills that you dont have. even if you are in advanced english, that doesn't mean you aren't a psychopath
Extimous 8 months ago
@Extimous
1.) Then don't say it was 3 incomplete sentences.
2.) I'm not a psychopath, how old are you?
M4ST3RL1NKX88 8 months ago
@M4ST3RL1NKX88 1.) it WAS 3 incomplete sentences
2.) if you're not a psychopath, then don't act like one
Extimous 8 months ago
@M4ST3RL1NKX88 it WAS 3 incomplete setences
Extimous 8 months ago
@Extimous
How the fuck old are you, dumb shit?
M4ST3RL1NKX88 8 months ago
@M4ST3RL1NKX88 i dont have to tell you you rapist
Extimous 7 months ago
@Extimous
11. I can tell by your retarded way of typing and your "rapist" insult.
M4ST3RL1NKX88 7 months ago
@M4ST3RL1NKX88 oh yeah, no im instantly retarded because i called you a potential rapist
Extimous 7 months ago
@Extimous
No, you type like a retard and 11 year olds call eachother rapists. Tell me how old you are, right fucking now.
M4ST3RL1NKX88 7 months ago
@M4ST3RL1NKX88 Should we thank you both for showing that youtube is filled with minus type of homo sapiens? Do yourselves a favor, read your discussion again from the start and reflect on how aggressive and pointless everything you said was. Except for the first comment of course. Although it's not a dog indeed :P
Gatchan2 6 months ago
@Gatchan2
This isn't your conversation. By the way, I won.
M4ST3RL1NKX88 6 months ago
@M4ST3RL1NKX88 Of course sweetheart. You're full of win, superclever and an overall top-quality conversationalist. Obviously.
Gatchan2 6 months ago
@Gatchan2
And you're a smartass douchebag who sticks his nose in other people's business.
M4ST3RL1NKX88 6 months ago
@M4ST3RL1NKX88 Wow, you must be a sad person for spouting so much hate on others. But it's none of my business, you're right.
Some may call that trolling, but I saw several people react positively to such teasing and stop the stupid fights. Sorry for trying to make you think and reflect, you're more of a lost cause anyway (or so it seems).
Gatchan2 6 months ago
@Gatchan2
Believe what you want to, you aren't part of this.
M4ST3RL1NKX88 6 months ago