Canada has the same election systems, so the parties are kind of like ours. Actually Canadians have more leftists in their parliament so its not so bad. But for a real change try someplace other than Canada or the UK.
You are missing the boat on this one Cenk, its YOU that believe the THEM! A couple staffers sell you the "BOO!" theory and you swallow the hook. The staffers themselves justify it that way so they can sleep at night, who knows what nasty little secrets the wiretapping has turned up. If you think Senators can't be bought then why no clean election laws, public campaign finance or term limits? There is the Washington DC bubble and then there is the pundit bubble, but they are both bubbles Cenk.
Here's something that, if true, supports the blackmail theory:
"Spare me, I know full well the overwhelming majority of my constituency is in favor of impeachment. The current autocratic executive (the Bush admin) would attack Iran from the air, declare a national emergency, institute martial law and call off the 2008 elections, were the Democrats to initiate impeachment."
- congressman John Olver, confronted with a 2/3 majority of his constituency for impeachment of Bush and Cheney
There's another theory besides evil or stupid: blackmail.
Blackmail would explain why Dems 'believe' Cheney even though they know it's bullshit insofar that it's not a real outside threat, while at the same time knowing that the threat is real.
It would fit with Sibel Edmonds' accusations of infiltration of the government by foreign agents and certain insiders being complicit.
Republican goals are ECONOMIC, not social or political. They have massive corporate funding and control the mass media, who keep Americans anesthetized and distracted while they loot the nation. Democrats don't think in business terms, where laws are merely obstacles that prevent the competition from winning. That's why they lose.
Yeah, not like Democratic Senator Jay Rockefeller, who was, when supporting the telecom immunity provisions in the FISA bill, "cocky" about having "won". Don't worry about the combined over 100,000 dollars he apparently received from telephone utilities and telecom companies, though. Has nothing to do with his advocacy for telecom immunity.
i think to be a strong politician you have to be fanatical to some degree... and i have the feeling that there are more fanatics with hard line right-wing views than fanatics with tolerant and moderate left-wing views
It may be a little oversimplified to try and characterize the entire Dem party one way or the other. Each Rep and Sen has a variety of interest groups that they try and appeal to with many being very specific to their own Districts. That being aid, most of them are complicit pansies for protecting the Bushies.
Neither. They just triangulate. They don't have to appeal to the left-wing, since the left-wing's votes are guaranteed [in their minds]. So instead they spend all their time trying to appeal to the center and right.
actually....they are stupid also. Because, like Cenk has said before, they think they country is farther right than it actually is. And they underestimate the voters on the left rebelling and not coming to vote for them in the future.
I am switching from Democrat to Independent and will work on moving to Canada by the end of 2009.
THe Democrats have pissed me off. They are no different from republicans.
trublueone 3 years ago
Canada has the same election systems, so the parties are kind of like ours. Actually Canadians have more leftists in their parliament so its not so bad. But for a real change try someplace other than Canada or the UK.
OmarAlQaseer 3 years ago
yeah man with all the reports, studies, and evidence you have shown there is no way anyone can argue. oh wait u just went on an idiotic rant.
CobraStyleDevil 4 years ago
You are missing the boat on this one Cenk, its YOU that believe the THEM! A couple staffers sell you the "BOO!" theory and you swallow the hook. The staffers themselves justify it that way so they can sleep at night, who knows what nasty little secrets the wiretapping has turned up. If you think Senators can't be bought then why no clean election laws, public campaign finance or term limits? There is the Washington DC bubble and then there is the pundit bubble, but they are both bubbles Cenk.
erkd1 4 years ago
is it joe lieberman or is it diane fienstein, that is the only two democrat that i can think off.
lgrf4evr 4 years ago
And what do people base opinions on? The news they hear. Watch "Cenk goes Ballistic" and try and come back to us with the blame-the-people shtick.
Uberbah 4 years ago
Here's something that, if true, supports the blackmail theory:
"Spare me, I know full well the overwhelming majority of my constituency is in favor of impeachment. The current autocratic executive (the Bush admin) would attack Iran from the air, declare a national emergency, institute martial law and call off the 2008 elections, were the Democrats to initiate impeachment."
- congressman John Olver, confronted with a 2/3 majority of his constituency for impeachment of Bush and Cheney
rspawn 4 years ago 2
There's another theory besides evil or stupid: blackmail.
Blackmail would explain why Dems 'believe' Cheney even though they know it's bullshit insofar that it's not a real outside threat, while at the same time knowing that the threat is real.
It would fit with Sibel Edmonds' accusations of infiltration of the government by foreign agents and certain insiders being complicit.
rspawn 4 years ago
deeper cenk. it goes deeper.
keep digging, newsman.
CheeezMaster 4 years ago 2
Republican goals are ECONOMIC, not social or political. They have massive corporate funding and control the mass media, who keep Americans anesthetized and distracted while they loot the nation. Democrats don't think in business terms, where laws are merely obstacles that prevent the competition from winning. That's why they lose.
getplaning 4 years ago
Yeah, not like Democratic Senator Jay Rockefeller, who was, when supporting the telecom immunity provisions in the FISA bill, "cocky" about having "won". Don't worry about the combined over 100,000 dollars he apparently received from telephone utilities and telecom companies, though. Has nothing to do with his advocacy for telecom immunity.
PrezAlex 4 years ago
Part of any corporate strategy is to buy out the opposition when necessry.
getplaning 4 years ago 2
i think to be a strong politician you have to be fanatical to some degree... and i have the feeling that there are more fanatics with hard line right-wing views than fanatics with tolerant and moderate left-wing views
lublinkid 4 years ago
It may be a little oversimplified to try and characterize the entire Dem party one way or the other. Each Rep and Sen has a variety of interest groups that they try and appeal to with many being very specific to their own Districts. That being aid, most of them are complicit pansies for protecting the Bushies.
adamsfall 4 years ago
Neither. They just triangulate. They don't have to appeal to the left-wing, since the left-wing's votes are guaranteed [in their minds]. So instead they spend all their time trying to appeal to the center and right.
elshizzo 4 years ago
actually....they are stupid also. Because, like Cenk has said before, they think they country is farther right than it actually is. And they underestimate the voters on the left rebelling and not coming to vote for them in the future.
elshizzo 4 years ago
Maybe it's both?
Encyclopeteia 4 years ago
politicians
ferrariModenas 4 years ago
Your politians are the reflection of your society, the way you are the way they are.
ferrariModenas 4 years ago
you're almost as pissed as me. minus this huge slit in my wrist and your full head of hair, you're almost there.
souljaEXVOTO 4 years ago 2