One way you can tell it's the Moiré pattern is by how it moves and changes in time with how you move the camera. If it were some kind of visible wave form it would move independently.
If your interested in actually measuring EMF it's not that hard to do. You can build a simple device from easy to obtain parts that will give you very good results. PM me and I can give you a part's list and instructions. A tool from my ghost-hunting days. :)
@JuryDutySummons Why is it pulsating almost beat to beat to the sound of the train that is over a mile away ? Another thing, we never use to be able to hear the train like that on our East side of our town where this Kmart is located
dbootsthediva, I've greatly enjoyed your videos. I've been a bit disappointed that I haven't been able to comment on them to explain what's going on, but I have I've enjoyed them anyway.
What your seeing here is a well known and well understood drawbacks of digital camera technology. Simply put, digital camera don't do well with thin parallel lines. In addition, compressing an image stream will cause various kinds of distortion. Pause the video at 1:51 for an extreme example. Msg me for links
@JuryDutySummons Yes that is right IT DOESN'T DO GOOD WHEN THEIR ARE BOTH THIN VERTICAL AND HORIZONITAL LINES Difference here it isn't a thin line like someone wearing a tie where the lines would be considered thin, it is lines that are 1 and half inches apart and those type of BROAD LINES it should have no trouble with Their is some form of the gov remote sensing technology pulsing our environments and our camera lens are picking up what our naked eyes cannot
Perhaps but normally the type of sine/saw waves seen in this video normally do not modulate in beat to sounds like the train that is heard So maybe our camera lens are picking up what the eye can't see Maybe
@dbootsthediva Not really. As someone stated below, it's a "Moiré pattern". Notice how you only see it when your looking at something with lots of thin lines? Notice how it only moves when your camera moves? Google Moiré pattern and check out the wikipedia article on the topic. You can replicate the same effect within a faraday cage to prove it's not caused by outside EMF interference.
Frequencys come in many forms Like the frequency range of visible light (the portion of the EM spectrum) Each of the colors has a frequency, and the value grows higher from red to orange, and so on through yellow, green, blue, indigo, and violet
Higher freq's r usually measured with a frequency counter. This is an electronic instrument which measures the frequency of an applied repetitive electronic signal and displays the result in hertz on a digital display. Cyclic processes, such as the rotation rate of a shaft, mechanical vibrations, sound waves, and radio waves are converted to a repetitive electronic signal by transducers and the signal is applied to a frequency counter Now add into the mix the advacing tech of nanoelectronics
I see no "frequencies". There's the shadow of a tree, the light reflecting off of the corrigated surface, and that weird thing you get when you video parallel lines (there's a logical scientific reason for that if you're interested - it's to do with the angles bending the light), but no strange waves...
OK, I've come to the conclusion that you're just misinterpretting the line phenomenon. Sorry, but this time at least you're entirely wrong about there being something strange here...
aslomage one of our resident sleepers, I believe let us in on something all of us r going to start to experience It will not matter whether you have an
expensive recording device or an inexpensive
recording device. Expect to start picking up moire type
wave patterns on emitting light forms like
building lights,streetlights n such. I assume by his comment,red is the color
Moire effect is.. basically an illusion (google it, go to the WhatIs for a good illustration of it); a trick of the eye.
The colors (around the building light) you are referring to are called 'halos' more often: "optical phenomenon that appears near or around the Sun or Moon, and sometimes near other strong light sources such as street lights. ...may split up into colors because of dispersion, similarly to the rainbow." <-- wiki [I'm feeling lazy atm].
Aww Miss Kitty U have gone out of your way on many videos today to infer UNTRUTHS happening in my videos. THAT BUILDING LIGHT WAS NOT ON,SO COLORS
OF A HALO NOT DUE TO BUILDING LIGHT.
But very good try. U R OUT TO PRETEND TO OTHERS THAT THEY SHOULD START TO CONSIDER IT NORMAL WHEN THEY START SEEING THE HALOS AROUND STREETLIGHTS N MOON N SUN AS U KNOW THEY R GOING TO START TO SEE Neither r common, both r because of the
chemicals they have been dumping on us of chemcontrails
It's an artifact due to the way a CCD/CMOS sensor converts an image to digital format. It's called aliasing (look it up on wikipedia, cannot post link, youtube = crap). Actually I know you won't, this is more for other readers.
Wanna have fun with something a camera really picks up but the eye doesn't? Infrared light. Especially cheap cameras, so with yours it will work wonders.
And yeah, your total lack of science knowledge (real or pretended) is really entertaining ;-)
The truth is even the more costly cameras and camcorders have already started picking up near nightfall,a strange moving field of blue/green/purple spinning mix of hues of CMOS sensing induced field instead of the nevermind red of have fun with infrared.
i see you post a lot of vids on this. why dont you do a more sufficient method cant you test the energy somehow on the objects its appearing on and compare it with other surfaces.
Thanks, very interesting. Do you know of anything that is plainly seen by the eye but does not get picked up by a camera except for a flicker where object was?
It is a signal-processing artifact (within your camera) known as "aliasing".
Try this experiment: Find a long black comb. Hold it straight-on between your camera and a dim light such that you can clearly see all the teeth in the video, but the light isn't washing it out. Then slowly back away until the teeth blur, and have someone rotate the comb.
You'll see the exact same effect because your camera can't pick up the rapid change in contrast along the comb.
Okay good folks. It has begun. The moire effect they wanted all of us to be aware about is now being inserted into our digital media of our TV signal. Those of you thinking you are seeing more white of a 3D effect you are correct. On Apr 04 08, was watching Showgirls on VHI at 5PM. Where the actress walks into the strip lounge with that half outfit, check out the moire effect emerging off of it. Don't believe their lies of moire effect. It is an abnormal effect of chemtrails
A CCD or CMOS sensor is a grid of pixels, each have three to four subpixels which pick up light in either red/green/blue (for camcorders) or red/green/emerald/blue (for digital cameras, for enhanced quality, because the human eye recognizes green more than other colors) - there's your grid.
recording device of constant non stop of color changes as something
of light is moving, so it has to be
picking up light in a continuing changing
field of colors. So what is making the ever so constant grid changes of colors on the majority of my videos like this building of KMART and our home? Something must be causing the grid color
If it was the positioning or wobbling of the camera then the same wouldn't of happen on each of my videos of our house. And since it MOST DEFINITELY DID NOT HAPPEN WHEN I WAS ACTUALLY VIDEOTAPING THE TV (see channel page and last video of the group of 9 showing of my videos), just maybe you might reconsider rethinking this concept
I agree. But I don't think he's crazy. He just isn't understanding how video works. And that's a bit tough to expect of anyone. How all the different imagers (usually CCD) and compression formats work along with videological phenomena like moiré patterns and etc. is a lot to learn. I know professionals in the field for 10 years that still don't understand it all.
iT SEEMS MIT researchers have shown that it's possible to wirelessly power a 60-watt lightbulb from two meters away. A coil creates a magnetic field that is able to pass through an obstruction. The coil resonates at the frequency of the magnetic field, picking up its energy to power the bulb.
you seem very young to be taking hallucinogens. you are making absolutely no sense at all. if you really think your videos display anything other than the laws of nature, which are analog and infinite, interacting with your camera, which is digital and finite; part of your brain is missing. an important part.
you bought the magic camera. when the masses know that you have a digital camera that can percieve "digital wavelenths" that by all appearances are completely analog, i tremble. my mind is blown when I see the way diffracted light appears to actually be "moving" in your incredible footage. you should tell everyone about your unique camera's magical powers. or maybe you just haven't a clue about the properties of light and digital recording.
Carrie You are right. The signal is analog. I was incorrect. Our govt is working on "CONNECTIONLESS NETWORKS" using analag signals only.See " darpa" Maybe this will make a believer out of you, where it says in pdg "EVERY TREE A CELL TOWER" n they
digital is ones and zeros on and off. the waves your talking about would be analog. once again the ccds in your camra have a clock tick and only work on the ticks hence flashing and "waves" also these waves your refering to are out of the visual range and i really dout even if your camra picks up waves out of this range that it would display them in a manor that is precptable to the human eye. as for your waves on kmart, im sorry i dont see anything out of the ordinary .
well, the government can now "hack" into your cell phone and listen to the sounds around it even when its off. the only way to protect from this is to remove the batttery, maybe they're doing it to your camera too!
I don't think HAARP is responsible for the waves. I
believe our governement is testing an OFF GRID
DIGITAL ELECTRONIC SOURCE, and the energy is being stored on Earth's surfaces like our houses, trees, ground, etc. But no matter what it must be part of
an EM digital signal.
Oh carrie, I heard a weird sound in my car, so I flipped on my electronic camera as you say, and the
same digital geiger counter sound emerged fromt he
camera just sitting on the seat of my car as I drove
your camra is electronic, it has clock ticks like any compter devie its ccd work on a frequencey you can see this by video taping different moniters tv sets of lcd scrrens youll clearly notice the mismatch between the timing of your camra and the timing of the moniter.
if haarp is responsible for the waves in yur vid souldnt they be lowfrecncy and arnt they at like 3 to 5 rads or sumthing arnt those waves huge? like 5 ft in wave length?
... cnt
One way you can tell it's the Moiré pattern is by how it moves and changes in time with how you move the camera. If it were some kind of visible wave form it would move independently.
If your interested in actually measuring EMF it's not that hard to do. You can build a simple device from easy to obtain parts that will give you very good results. PM me and I can give you a part's list and instructions. A tool from my ghost-hunting days. :)
JuryDutySummons 1 year ago
@JuryDutySummons Why is it pulsating almost beat to beat to the sound of the train that is over a mile away ? Another thing, we never use to be able to hear the train like that on our East side of our town where this Kmart is located
dbootsthediva 1 year ago
dbootsthediva, I've greatly enjoyed your videos. I've been a bit disappointed that I haven't been able to comment on them to explain what's going on, but I have I've enjoyed them anyway.
What your seeing here is a well known and well understood drawbacks of digital camera technology. Simply put, digital camera don't do well with thin parallel lines. In addition, compressing an image stream will cause various kinds of distortion. Pause the video at 1:51 for an extreme example. Msg me for links
JuryDutySummons 1 year ago
@JuryDutySummons Yes that is right IT DOESN'T DO GOOD WHEN THEIR ARE BOTH THIN VERTICAL AND HORIZONITAL LINES Difference here it isn't a thin line like someone wearing a tie where the lines would be considered thin, it is lines that are 1 and half inches apart and those type of BROAD LINES it should have no trouble with Their is some form of the gov remote sensing technology pulsing our environments and our camera lens are picking up what our naked eyes cannot
dbootsthediva 1 year ago
i think you need a new camera love.
bandito71 2 years ago
Perhaps but normally the type of sine/saw waves seen in this video normally do not modulate in beat to sounds like the train that is heard So maybe our camera lens are picking up what the eye can't see Maybe
dbootsthediva 2 years ago
@dbootsthediva Not really. As someone stated below, it's a "Moiré pattern". Notice how you only see it when your looking at something with lots of thin lines? Notice how it only moves when your camera moves? Google Moiré pattern and check out the wikipedia article on the topic. You can replicate the same effect within a faraday cage to prove it's not caused by outside EMF interference.
JuryDutySummons 1 year ago
What kind of camera are you using to film this?
MultiTalentedMan 2 years ago
Ok, I'm going to have to stop you right there. you can hear frequencies, but you can not see them...you can see the effects of them.
timebomb15 2 years ago
Frequencys come in many forms Like the frequency range of visible light (the portion of the EM spectrum) Each of the colors has a frequency, and the value grows higher from red to orange, and so on through yellow, green, blue, indigo, and violet
dbootsthediva 2 years ago
Higher freq's r usually measured with a frequency counter. This is an electronic instrument which measures the frequency of an applied repetitive electronic signal and displays the result in hertz on a digital display. Cyclic processes, such as the rotation rate of a shaft, mechanical vibrations, sound waves, and radio waves are converted to a repetitive electronic signal by transducers and the signal is applied to a frequency counter Now add into the mix the advacing tech of nanoelectronics
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dbootsthediva 2 years ago
I see no "frequencies". There's the shadow of a tree, the light reflecting off of the corrigated surface, and that weird thing you get when you video parallel lines (there's a logical scientific reason for that if you're interested - it's to do with the angles bending the light), but no strange waves...
OK, I've come to the conclusion that you're just misinterpretting the line phenomenon. Sorry, but this time at least you're entirely wrong about there being something strange here...
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i heard the government was stealing our history supply
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dbootsthediva 3 years ago
Nice investigative work - keep up the heart!
aerostockians 3 years ago 3
I noticed the same pattern in your videos? The aero dotting effect
What state or country do you live in?
dbootsthediva 3 years ago
What are aeros? Nanosubstrates of viritual
machines of data code language graphics? Keep on looking for the abnormal yourself.
Thanks
dbootsthediva 3 years ago
aslomage one of our resident sleepers, I believe let us in on something all of us r going to start to experience It will not matter whether you have an
expensive recording device or an inexpensive
recording device. Expect to start picking up moire type
wave patterns on emitting light forms like
building lights,streetlights n such. I assume by his comment,red is the color
of choice that will be emerging.But some
of you will also experience it with your
naked eye,no camera needed
dbootsthediva 3 years ago
Sat. nite,after his comment,I saw the moire
effect on the neightbor's outstretching building light with my naked eyes,no camera. It was like 5 or 6 colored rings pulsating.
The light was yellow. The color that was
pulsing waves separating the yellow WAS RED. WAS IT INFRARED,I DON'T KNOW. Building light 20-25 ft away Red and yellow
was pulsing ontop of the light form, not
under it N I could clearly see it by tilting my head. No I didn't have my
camera.I didn't need it ANYONE ELSE?
dbootsthediva 3 years ago
Moire effect is.. basically an illusion (google it, go to the WhatIs for a good illustration of it); a trick of the eye.
The colors (around the building light) you are referring to are called 'halos' more often: "optical phenomenon that appears near or around the Sun or Moon, and sometimes near other strong light sources such as street lights. ...may split up into colors because of dispersion, similarly to the rainbow." <-- wiki [I'm feeling lazy atm].
Both are common, neither are bad.
kittyrae522 3 years ago
Aww Miss Kitty U have gone out of your way on many videos today to infer UNTRUTHS happening in my videos. THAT BUILDING LIGHT WAS NOT ON,SO COLORS
OF A HALO NOT DUE TO BUILDING LIGHT.
But very good try. U R OUT TO PRETEND TO OTHERS THAT THEY SHOULD START TO CONSIDER IT NORMAL WHEN THEY START SEEING THE HALOS AROUND STREETLIGHTS N MOON N SUN AS U KNOW THEY R GOING TO START TO SEE Neither r common, both r because of the
chemicals they have been dumping on us of chemcontrails
dbootsthediva 3 years ago
exactly!
i have had these experiences also
other ones i care not to discuss
i knew it wasn't me just seeing this
good work!
METALSTYGIAN 3 years ago
It's an artifact due to the way a CCD/CMOS sensor converts an image to digital format. It's called aliasing (look it up on wikipedia, cannot post link, youtube = crap). Actually I know you won't, this is more for other readers.
Wanna have fun with something a camera really picks up but the eye doesn't? Infrared light. Especially cheap cameras, so with yours it will work wonders.
And yeah, your total lack of science knowledge (real or pretended) is really entertaining ;-)
aslomage 3 years ago
The truth is even the more costly cameras and camcorders have already started picking up near nightfall,a strange moving field of blue/green/purple spinning mix of hues of CMOS sensing induced field instead of the nevermind red of have fun with infrared.
dbootsthediva 3 years ago
(comments blocked? or just my computer being crappy?)
aslomage 3 years ago
i see you post a lot of vids on this. why dont you do a more sufficient method cant you test the energy somehow on the objects its appearing on and compare it with other surfaces.
Brett32324 3 years ago
Tell me how to test the energy?
dbootsthediva 3 years ago
Thanks, very interesting. Do you know of anything that is plainly seen by the eye but does not get picked up by a camera except for a flicker where object was?
kraken45 3 years ago
No, do you? Do you know of anything that the naked eye
can't see but is planly seen by the eye of
the lens of the camera?
dbootsthediva 3 years ago
It is not a "digital signal".
It is a signal-processing artifact (within your camera) known as "aliasing".
Try this experiment: Find a long black comb. Hold it straight-on between your camera and a dim light such that you can clearly see all the teeth in the video, but the light isn't washing it out. Then slowly back away until the teeth blur, and have someone rotate the comb.
You'll see the exact same effect because your camera can't pick up the rapid change in contrast along the comb.
celestrion 3 years ago 2
Scalar longitude waveforms
dbootsthediva 3 years ago
huh? how does that rebuke celestrion's comment?
nairb202 3 years ago 5
dbootsthediva 3 years ago
nice moireé effect :)
pixelcomet 4 years ago 2
Moire effects need both a horizonital and
a vertical. This building only has
vertical lines. I am told, this cannot be
a moire effect without the map grid of the
horizonital lines too. So why, pixelcomet would you call it
a "moire effect" when it doesn't have
also horizonital lines on the building?
dbootsthediva 4 years ago
make a paper with fine lines. and a foil with the same lines. layer them and move and rotate the upper foil. u'll see what I mean :)
a geometrical pattern(CCD/CMAS pixels) on another geometrical pattern makes moireé. thats all. try it. it works on many things.
HAARP exists and makes weird things but IMHO no pattern like yours.
pixelcomet 4 years ago
nO MOIRE WORKS ON TIGHTER PATTERNS LIKE
PLAIDS OR CLOSE KNIT STRIPES. MOIRE EFFECTS
LIKE THIS ARE NOT NORMAL. See my other video Haarps Radiation Hidden
Cipher Blocks. MOIRE EFFECTS DO NOT ACT LIKE A FOUR POLED
MAGNETIC FIELD, WITH IT RADIATING IN 4 DIRECTIONS WITH A MID POINT.
dbootsthediva 4 years ago
A CCD or CMOS sensor is a grid of pixels, each have three to four subpixels which pick up light in either red/green/blue (for camcorders) or red/green/emerald/blue (for digital cameras, for enhanced quality, because the human eye recognizes green more than other colors) - there's your grid.
ubuntututorials 3 years ago
So according to your explaination,
something would have to be causing the
recording device of constant non stop of color changes as something
of light is moving, so it has to be
picking up light in a continuing changing
field of colors. So what is making the ever so constant grid changes of colors on the majority of my videos like this building of KMART and our home? Something must be causing the grid color
changes in some capacity, by your
explaination.Grids change by themselves?
dbootsthediva 3 years ago
The positioning /wobbling of the camera
coffee115 2 years ago
If it was the positioning or wobbling of the camera then the same wouldn't of happen on each of my videos of our house. And since it MOST DEFINITELY DID NOT HAPPEN WHEN I WAS ACTUALLY VIDEOTAPING THE TV (see channel page and last video of the group of 9 showing of my videos), just maybe you might reconsider rethinking this concept
dbootsthediva 2 years ago
moiree doesn't use perpendicular lines
two parallel sets of lines together, then altered slightly
yesturtle 3 years ago
moire will alter slighly when the two parrel
sets of lines are too closely compacted
together. The too closely compacted together is
missing of the so called two parrallel
sets of lines
dbootsthediva 3 years ago
No, no pattern like mine will appear in
real moire patterns. Some of the videos
show the energy radiating in 4 diff directions
but with a middle sort of circle (the 4 poled
Quadapole field probably) that keeps the
nergy waves closer to the house in a type
of hover pattern
dbootsthediva 4 years ago
hey deBUMKR RFID055, since when do walls have circular analog 1, 0 patterns pulsating on them
like a new type of broadband signal?
dbootsthediva 4 years ago
Thats what lines do to cameras, the wall has lines on it... your crazy!
bumr055 4 years ago
I agree. But I don't think he's crazy. He just isn't understanding how video works. And that's a bit tough to expect of anyone. How all the different imagers (usually CCD) and compression formats work along with videological phenomena like moiré patterns and etc. is a lot to learn. I know professionals in the field for 10 years that still don't understand it all.
Tesselator 4 years ago 2
Tesselator
The moire effect cannot
be a moire effect unless videotape is a closer knit
map grid of horizonital n vertical lines
on buildings. Their R no horizontal lines
on the Kmart Video outside wall, nor are their
any vertivcal ines intersecting with the vertical lnes on my house.
spectroscopys inlcuding Agomic
emission's
dbootsthediva 4 years ago
I live in a town with a population of about 63,000
and I hear a sizzle sound at night too. It gets
louder like it is sychronized with the automatic
city sprinkler system in some way
dbootsthediva 4 years ago
How very strange, but I do see the pulsation of
some type of wave form on that building.
Maybe those wave forms have something to do with
the sizzle sound in the air I hear at night now.
becausetptb 4 years ago
iT SEEMS MIT researchers have shown that it's possible to wirelessly power a 60-watt lightbulb from two meters away. A coil creates a magnetic field that is able to pass through an obstruction. The coil resonates at the frequency of the magnetic field, picking up its energy to power the bulb.
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dbootsthediva 4 years ago
Evidently not the part that your bosses want to take
from me and make me a drone, a slave.
Or else you wouldn't of been sent to make this comment on my video.
dbootsthediva 4 years ago
you seem very young to be taking hallucinogens. you are making absolutely no sense at all. if you really think your videos display anything other than the laws of nature, which are analog and infinite, interacting with your camera, which is digital and finite; part of your brain is missing. an important part.
leadbones 4 years ago
Give me a break leadbones. Yeah 10 foot waveforms
hovering like a broadband signal pulsating to a train whistle, you are so correct it must have to do with
properties of light. Digital records digital. Since
signal I am being told is ANALOG,well thats probably why the digital camera eye sees it.
dbootsthediva 4 years ago
you bought the magic camera. when the masses know that you have a digital camera that can percieve "digital wavelenths" that by all appearances are completely analog, i tremble. my mind is blown when I see the way diffracted light appears to actually be "moving" in your incredible footage. you should tell everyone about your unique camera's magical powers. or maybe you just haven't a clue about the properties of light and digital recording.
leadbones 4 years ago
Carrie You are right. The signal is analog. I was incorrect. Our govt is working on "CONNECTIONLESS NETWORKS" using analag signals only.See " darpa" Maybe this will make a believer out of you, where it says in pdg "EVERY TREE A CELL TOWER" n they
go on to include buildings.
Only a blind person can't see the analog waves so
obvious on the KMART video
dbootsthediva 4 years ago
digital is ones and zeros on and off. the waves your talking about would be analog. once again the ccds in your camra have a clock tick and only work on the ticks hence flashing and "waves" also these waves your refering to are out of the visual range and i really dout even if your camra picks up waves out of this range that it would display them in a manor that is precptable to the human eye. as for your waves on kmart, im sorry i dont see anything out of the ordinary .
123carrie 4 years ago
Carrie How do you explain away the digital wave form
that is obvious in this video on my local KMART?
dbootsthediva 4 years ago
try filming a cell tower, radio station, tv station, power station, powerlines
and see what happens
factsnow 4 years ago
Facts One of my towns power stations is surrounding n
hidden by trees. I noticed about a year ago that almost every tree that can be seen has branches dying
on it. The green living and the brown dying are really obvious.
dbootsthediva 4 years ago
Well a digital sound for a digital wave pattern.
You only sort of explained away something.
How do you explain away the digital wave forms
hovering around my house like a broadband signal?
dbootsthediva 4 years ago
well, the government can now "hack" into your cell phone and listen to the sounds around it even when its off. the only way to protect from this is to remove the batttery, maybe they're doing it to your camera too!
123carrie 4 years ago
"even when its turned off"
why would they do that to a cell phone if no one is using it?
factsnow 4 years ago
They would do that to a cell phone just because
they can. They like to test their technology
on us unsuspecting citizens.
dbootsthediva 4 years ago
cell phones are mobile... meaning its on your person.
bumr055 4 years ago
I don't think HAARP is responsible for the waves. I
believe our governement is testing an OFF GRID
DIGITAL ELECTRONIC SOURCE, and the energy is being stored on Earth's surfaces like our houses, trees, ground, etc. But no matter what it must be part of
an EM digital signal.
Oh carrie, I heard a weird sound in my car, so I flipped on my electronic camera as you say, and the
same digital geiger counter sound emerged fromt he
camera just sitting on the seat of my car as I drove
dbootsthediva 4 years ago
your camra is electronic, it has clock ticks like any compter devie its ccd work on a frequencey you can see this by video taping different moniters tv sets of lcd scrrens youll clearly notice the mismatch between the timing of your camra and the timing of the moniter.
if haarp is responsible for the waves in yur vid souldnt they be lowfrecncy and arnt they at like 3 to 5 rads or sumthing arnt those waves huge? like 5 ft in wave length?
123carrie 4 years ago