Gordon Magee (oneness) vs Trinity (Toddy / COC) debate part 1-1of 8

[MrHellowwww1]

Jews for Jesus, Zola Levitt, Dr Mike Brown, and many more Jewish/Christians believe in the Trinity. The Zohar which is Jewish talks about God plurality. Elohim or Gods in Hebrew, is used 2340+ and El or God in Hebrew is used 200+. Both Elohim and El speak of the God of Israel and both use a singular verb. The Shema has 3 names for God in 1st verse with 3 parts while Rabbi s pray with 3 fingers making the Hebrew character shin. God has a purpose for everything, so these facts mean something

[shrekgriffin]

Where is the rest of the debate?

[TheLayman316]

The title of this video claims that "Gordon Magee UPCI Oneness demolishes the Trinitarian." The title of this video begins with a lie, therefore it must end with a lie. I'm not familiar with COC so I can't defend it. But anyone who denies the deity of Christ is not a true Trinitarian. Oneness like to create their own version of the Trinity doctrine, and for that I say beware of the lies that come out of the Oneness church regarding the doctrine of the Trinity.

[rudyavelino1982]

@TheLayman316 true trinitarians are pagan and  true oneness are jewish Christian or judail christian. Deep down in your heart, you know UPC r more 1 God believers then you who seperate his power into a pagan god in which God hates. why would you believe God needs 3 persons to beat 1 devil? you believe in one God you do well, satan also believes and trembles. If you say we lie and God said hes 1 not 3, u lie. i rather believe, great is the mystery of Godlyness than to believe paganism3. 1GOD

[Str8Talker365]

@baliveforchrist1

If you do your research and compare scripture with scripture the correct translation of Acts 20:28 is:

"... that GOD purchased with the blood of His Own." (Son inferred)

"...with His own blood" is a mistranslation. The preferred Greek variant reading "dia tou aimatos tou Idiou" should be translated "with the blood of His Own". "Tou Idio" is a synomym for "beloved", a designation for the Son of God.

Jesus was flesh and blood, now flesh and bone. God is spirit.

[Brucev7]

Pastor Magee is good.

[Str8Talker365]

BOTH Oneness and Trinitarian dogma are heresies because Jesus is not God, either by "substance" or "person". These theologies are actually the same, making "GOD" "three 'something'". Oneness teaches that God is three "substances", not "persons", and Trinitarians teach that God is three "persons" not "substances".

The truth is that GOD is ONE and is the FATHER ALONE. Jesus Christ is His Son, who DIED (a thing GOD could not do), and was raised to life by the ONLY ONE WHO GIVES LIFE, GOD.

[ETHANGELIST]

I'm a Trinitarian and I affirm that Jesus is the supreme deity, He is sovereign and eternal and the creator of all things. The Son is not 1/3 God, He is 100% God and has 100% access to the divine nature of God.

[Thia911]

yes wow!!! I agree God is no trinity, but He is ONE. Hear O Israel the LORD our God, the LORD is ONE. Jesus is God who is the ONE LORD!!! amen great video. :-)

[HARLANGENEPARROTT]

@Thia911

GRACE AND PEACE FROM ALL 3

Revelation 1:4-5 (KJV)

4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

[HARLANGENEPARROTT]

@Thia911 2 Corinthians 13:14 (KJV)

14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

John 1:33-34 (KJV)

33 And I knew him not: but HE THAT SENT ME to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt SEE THE SPIRITdescending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the SON OF GOD.

[HARLANGENEPARROTT]

I have given multiple scriptures which state GOD THE FATHER has HANDS, FEET, FACE, FINGERS, HANDS, RIDES ON CHERUB, SITS ON A THRONE, NOSTRILS AND EYES.

YOU SAY IT IS FIGURES OF SPEECH?

PRODUCE 1 SCRIPTURE THAT STATES GOD DOES NOT HAVE THESE THINGS, JUST 1

[Jaysen1976]

@HARLANGENEPARROTT ??? You forgot wings... PS 91:4 There are many such examples of human characteristics given to things these are called anthropomorphisms. They can often be discerned by the context

[HARLANGENEPARROTT]

@Jaysen1976

you take ONE SCRIPTURE, and deny all the other plainly stated facts that GOD HAS BEEN SEEN with the eyes in both testaments.

The scripture NO MAN HATH SEEN GOD AT ANY TIME, simply means that no man has FULLY COMPREHENDED GOD. Moses spoke to God FACE TO FACE as a man speaketh to his friend.

74 people saw GOD AT ONE TIME.Exodus 24:9-11

[HARLANGENEPARROTT]

@Jaysen1976

John 5:37

37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

Matthew 18:10 (KJV)

10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

[mihaka15]

@HARLANGENEPARROTT JOHN 4;24 God is a spirit,and they that worship him,must worship him in spirit and in truth.

[HARLANGENEPARROTT]

@mihaka15

angels and all spirit beings are SPIRITS, yet they have spirit forms.

GOD THE FATHER AND THE SON are seen TOGETHER in Daniel 7:9-14, and since god is spirit and the father of SPIRITS, are you to say that all those serif, cherub, Michael Gabriel and all spirits also have no form?

Poor old Father is formless.

How sad is it to see such a DENIAL OF PLAINLY STATED SCRIPTURES.

The fact is Jesus said plainly in Matt 18:10 that the angels are ALWAYS LOOKING UPON THE ""FACE"" of GOD THE FATHER

[HARLANGENEPARROTT]

@mihaka15

Exodus 24:9-11 (KJV)

9 Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel:

10 And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.

11 And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.

[1Ladyclj]

Let everyone who believes in Jesus Christ - come together like the other multitudes to hear ( HIM ) Jesus , since HE is the Way, The Truth, The Life, The Light of the world, The Saviour, The One who came from heaven, crucified , rose from the dead, and ascended into heaven. That means everyones have to call on His name expecting to hear Him speak, and we together shut up , listen, then do what He , Himself will instruct us to do. No, Veil between Him and those that seek Him .

[erichathy222]

we really need to be winning souls i really enjoy the anointing in the debates you never feel anointing in trinity but when we exalt Jesus there is anointing and people who see the truth and get baptized in Jesus name ACTS 2 38 have a much stronger faith and deeper relationship with God it is our duty to seek all truth and share it with the world I believe in preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ to the whole world the bible says there is one spirit and God is spirit and the Lord is that spirit

[liberatedvialove]

@erichathy222 judging by the statement you made i'm assuming you are young and inexperienced. God doesn't look at worship and examining the doctrinal standing of the individual, anointing are not based upon that either...i have see things happen in "trinitarian" churches that i have yet to see in most UPC.healings and deliverances but im sure it happens.

[HARLANGENEPARROTT]

@erichathy222

I know there is a divine trinity, and I feel the almighty power of GOD THE HOLY GHOST surging through my being as I type these simple truths.

Where trinity miss it is that they say god is one being in three persons, but the truth is that there are three beings working together in unity to make the ONE GOD everyone is raving about.

[erichathy222]

i love this cd but i lost it thanks for posting i could not find it until now its really funny and informative

[HARLANGENEPARROTT]

Zechariah 2:8-11 (Septuagint) "He behind glory sent Me" against the nations that plundered you. JESUS IS speaking here for the Lord of Hosts, and the one referred to as "I" and "Me." He tells Israel that the Lord of Hosts has sent Me unto the nations (Gentiles) which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of His (the Lord of Host's) eye . I (Messiah) will shake My hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and you shall know that the Lord of Hosts hath sent Me

[dktacts23]

@HARLANGENEPARROTT This does not support a trinity, this passage is speaking of the future messiah which is God himself, and this is supported by Isaiah 7:14. God did not send a second person in his nature, but God came himself, Matt 1:23, I Timothy 316.

[HARLANGENEPARROTT]

@dktacts23

Philippians 2:5-7 (GW)

5 Have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had.

6 Although he was in the form of God and equal with God, he did not take advantage of this equality.

7 Instead, he emptied himself by taking on the form of a servant, by becoming like other humans, by having a human appearance.

8 He humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, death on a cross.

[HARLANGENEPARROTT]

@dktacts23

Philippians 2:5-8 (ISV)

5 Have the same attitude among yourselves that was also in Christ Jesus:

6 In God's own form existed he, And shared with God equality, Deemed nothing needed grasping.

7 Instead, poured out in emptiness, A servant's form did he possess, A mortal man becoming. In human form he chose to be,

8 And lived in all humility, Death on a cross obeying.

[HARLANGENEPARROTT]

@dktacts23

Philippians 2:5-8 (ASV)

5 Have this mind in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped,

7 but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men;

8 and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, becoming obedient even unto death, yea, the death of the cross.

[HARLANGENEPARROTT]

@dktacts23

this is plain

Philippians 2:5-8 (WEY)

5 Let the same disposition be in you which was in Christ Jesus.

6 Although from the beginning He had the nature of God He did not reckon His equality with God a treasure to be tightly grasped.

7 Nay, He stripped Himself of His glory, and took on Him the nature of a bondservant by becoming a man like other men.

8 And being recognized as truly human, He humbled Himself and even stooped to die; yes, to die on a cross.

[HARLANGENEPARROTT]

@dktacts23

Hebrews 2:17-18 (ISV)

17 Thus he had to become like his brothers in every way, so that he could be a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God and could atone for the people's sins.

18 Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.

[HARLANGENEPARROTT]

@dktacts23

Hebrews 2:14-16 (ISV)

14 Since the children have flesh and blood, he also shared the same things, so that by his death he might destroy the one who has the power of death (that is, the devil)

15 and might free those who were slaves all their lives because they were terrified by death.

16 For it is clear that he did not come to help angels. No, he came to help Abraham's descendants.

[HARLANGENEPARROTT]

@dktacts23

Hebrews 2:11-13 (ISV)

11 For both the one who sanctifies and those who are being sanctified all have the same Father. That is why Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers

12 when he says, "I will announce your name to my brothers. I will praise you within the congregation."

13 And again, "I will trust him." And again, "I am here with the children God has given me."

[HARLANGENEPARROTT]

@dktacts23 This is very clear:

Hebrews 2:10 (ISV)

10 In bringing many children to glory, it was fitting that God, for whom and through whom everything exists, should make the source of their salvation perfect through suffering.

[HARLANGENEPARROTT]

@dktacts23

III. Here wehave a grace and peace from jesus christ

Revelation 1:5 (ISV)

5 and from Jesus Christ, the witness, the faithful one, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To the one who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood

[dktacts23]

@HARLANGENEPARROTT Have'nt heardback from you,

[HARLANGENEPARROTT]

@dktacts23

WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR?

[dktacts23]

@HARLANGENEPARROTT Nothing that you have given has held to God being a triune in nature, and you left for that?

[HARLANGENEPARROTT]

@dktacts23

YOU READ THE GRACE AND PEACH FROM 3 INDIVIDUALS IN REV. 1:4-5?

[HARLANGENEPARROTT]

@dktacts23

II. Here we have a grace and peace from god the Goly Ghost

Revelation 1:4b (KJV)

and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

[HARLANGENEPARROTT]

@dktacts23

THE PROBLEM WITH ONENESS PEOPLE IS THAT THEY FELT IN THE SPIRIT THE UNITY OF THE TRINITY AND THE FACT JESUS IS GOD AND CREATOR, AND OLD TESTAMENT PASSAGES WHICH SHOW ONE GOD AND JESUS BEING GOD IN THE O.T. AND RAN WITH IT, NOT CONSIDERING THE OTHER PASSAGES WHICH CONTRADICT THE THEORY.

[mihaka15]

@HARLANGENEPARROTT the bible does not contradict itself it is the ignorance of men who think they have the answers, that are contrary to the word of the Lord,as such as yourself.

[mihaka15]

@HARLANGENEPARROTT you have no idea what you are saying listen and you will learn,

[HARLANGENEPARROTT]

@mihaka15

I was oneness 36 yrs ordained upc 20 yrs, and always knew there were scriptures I could not explain.

1. Matt 18:10 GOD THE FATHER HAS A FACE the angels ALWAYS LOOK UPON.

2. John 5:37 GOD THE FATHER has a SHAPE and VOICE

Just admit there are scriptures you cannot do away with and at least you will not be so hard on the TRINITY PEOPLE.

[Belkiss4Jesus]

That is an awesome video, brother Gorden is a man of God. He breaks it down clearly, that JESUSCHRIST is the true GOD and EVERLASTING LIFE!! may the PEACE of our LORD JESUSCHRIST be in your hearts! ONE GOD AND ONE FAITH!

[SupremeHero777]

Wow!

[Truthorfable]

This by is far the best overall around debate that I ever came across.. Classic that just blows Toddy away he even misquoted scriptures... This is over 5 hours long, to bad I cant upload over hour long videos..

To bad there isnt another younger Gordon Magee who would take on James White..

God Bless in Jesus name

[jon210tx]

@Truthorfable There is. His name is David K. Bernard.

[Brucev7]

@Truthorfable Don't worry, there are. Check out Ravi Zacharias, Greg Koukl-Stand To Reason, Dave Hunt-Berean Call, SWRC-Watchmen on the Wall, Proclamhisword Channel-Mark, John Ankerberg, Dr, Martin-Bible Answer Man-Hanegraaff, GTY-MacArthur.

[MrRunningwolfe]

I guess I willl never know why. . .But why should I ? I am just thinking out loud as I type. Only if they could just Lift Up Yeshua ! and stop fighting. I hope they all stop fighting, and preach only Jesus !!!

[Truthorfable]

This is to honor all the glory and honor due to Jesus Christ not another person that was conceived in a man made doctrine..

God Bless in Jesus name

[ETHANGELIST]

@Truthorfable Has Gorden Magee passed away now?

[dktacts23]

@MrRunningwolfe The debate all comes down to the deity of Christ. Jesus said in that day many will say unto me Lord, Lord, but will not enter in, but he will say depart from me for I never knew you. If people do not really have the revelation of Jesus christ, than they don't know him like oneness Apostolics do. We have the revelation of the Mighty God in Christ, Jesus is not a second person in the nature of God, but Jesus is the Almighty God. In flesh.......Thats why..

[MrRunningwolfe]

@dktacts23 ....I don't want to be misunderstood, or to sound like I am being mean. . .but from what I am hearing, it sounds like the Apostolics are being arrogant. Isn't that also in part what happened to the Children of Israel ? The Apostolics add to the Word of God. They teach doctrines of men as the Gospel and commands of God. I know they teach some truths, but neglect the whole. I love the Apostolics, but there is something missing.

[dktacts23]

@MrRunningwolfe If we did teach a doctrine of men I would be more than glad to talk about it, but its the dcotrine of the trinity that is a doctrine of men, something that is not found in the bible. That's not at all being arrogant, but we must take a strong look at what the bible does teach, and God being triune in nature is not one of them.

[MrRunningwolfe]

They are actually are saying the same thing. . .just wording things differently. This I know because I was brought up under the Oneness Doctrine.

I always wondered if they layed aside the fussing, just what could be done under for Yeshua !!! Why they could be preaching Jesus to a lot of souls. If they would lay aside this bickering and lift up Yeshua's Name and Him Alone !!!!