@themaxster100 You don't die just because you get cut open. Eventually they will die but it could take several minutes or even hours to loose enough blood to lose consciousness.
Helen Mirren is a very special women, when acting she captures the screen or stage, she has a special aura, once I saw a photo of her in a two piece bathing suit and thanked God, you see were the same age, and she looked fantastic, even flirtatious I would say but please don't tell her.
@nomorespooks Globalization cannot be stopped and that is in part thanks to the world market and interdependence of the industrial and technological societies we live in today. Get used to it bud. The UN, WTO, NATO are not pipe dreams. Almost all of which by the way are working towards ending the death penalty. :) Alot of girls dig unity and all that jazz you know? Ever wonder why so many are social science majors of which all are horny btw. And yes, Star Trek is awesome.
@nomorespooks LOL you dont even know what cultural relativism is. Its the respect of the values of other societies around the world. So we should ignore others by shoving it up their ass? You don't even know where Im from lol so how can you say WE. I may be one of the smart ones in YOUR CULTURE. I am not for a divided world I am for a united world. In a united world, MURDER DOES NOT JUSTIFY MURDER. An eye for an eye makes the world go blind. It takes more spine to forgive then to kill
@nomorespooks Who decides what the filth is? YOU? No wait, that was Hitler who got to do that and look what happened. Each society has its own definition of filth. It's called cultural relativism or did you think every society was the same? I suppose we should argue and kill each over now as to what the correct one is? Hmmm.. maybe according to our standards your just a piece of filth too because you have a couple of parking tickets and speed too much. Lets hang you for it. idiot.
@TickleMehNancy I disagree with you good sir and so does alot of the world but some people still agree with you, like those in Iran, the middle east, the sourthern states in the USA.
@LeMightySabre and Japan and China and Russia...just because the rest of the industrialized world (Europe, Australia, Canada) don't have the death penalty it doesn't mean the populace doesn't agree with it. I know many british people who think there should be a death penalty.
@TickleMehNancy Hmmm.. That don't make sense. If they (the majority) of people want the death penalty so bad then why don't they have it? Representitives not listening? The government must really hate the people to not want to listen and kill them legally or the people must really hate themselves to want to kill themselves legally. More and more countries every year are going away from capital punishment every year. Dont tell me "many" people want it back.
@LeMightySabre really name a country each year from 2000 to now that has taken away the death penalty? Since every single year more countries are turning away from it? A lot of people in those countries agree with the death penalty in certain situations. When an unapologetic child killer who is proud of what he did doesn't get killed then there is NO justice.
@TickleMehNancy 2000- Malta, 2001- Bosnia-Herz, 2002-Cyrus, yugoslavia, 2003-Armenia, 2004- Bhutan, Greece, Samoa, Sengal, Turkey, 2005-Mexico, 2006- Phillipines, 2007- Albania, Cook Islands, Rwanda, Kryzigstan, 2008-Uzbekistan, Argentina, 2009- Togo, Burundi, 2010- Gabon. Courtesy of Amnesty International. Satisfied? By the way, an eye for an eye makes the world go blind. Death Penalty doesn't deter criminals in any way.
@LeMightySabre less people would gouge out someone's eye if they knew their eye would be gouged out as well. My dad grew up in Franco's Spain and he said there was no crime and he rode the train when he was 10 alone because if you did something bad they would shoot you. When the punishment is dire enough trust me it deters criminals!
@TickleMehNancy Do you want to live under a government that has the right to take your life? I don't . Their is a reason Franco's Spain no longer exists anymore along with East Germany. People no longer wanted it. Saying that violence prevents violence isn't a viable argument because as history shows us, it doesn't. Im sure you could walk around Hitler's Germany too and not be afraid of anything if you listened and obeyed the rules but at what cost? Your liberty.
@LeMightySabre The death penalty is viable in certain situations. That is my belief and I am glad that most states have it. The norwegian shooter is only going to jail for a maximum of like 40yrs for killing 70ppl. That is BS. He deserves to die.
@TickleMehNancy OF the 192 countries that are part of the UN or recognized only 22% maintain the death penalty in both law and practice. Far short of what you label "most states." The norwegian shooter did wrong and he will pay for it. But killing him would not bring the victims back to life would it? Why stain our hands with his blood?
@LeMightySabre because why should the parents of those kids pay for his sustenance in jail (which isn't so bad in Norway)? He is going to get free when he is old and will also be able to live off the state...after killing 70 people! Are you even thinking here? And I am saying thankfully most states (U.S. States) have the death penalty.
@TickleMehNancy His death will solve nothing. The dead are still dead. He will be a social outcast for the rest of his life and an individual to be studied. The real issue isn't the crime itself but what leads up to it. How one was raised, his family, moral being, religion, community all factor into his crime. The United States (I have hope) will follow Europe and bring an end to the death penalty. Being able to kill someone isn't something to be thankful for imo.
@LeMightySabre of course his death won't bring anyone back neither will keeping him alive. you must have not had anyone killed. I bet you the parents of those dead kids would rather him shot than for them to support him for the rest of his life.
@TickleMehNancy An eye for an eye is NOT how the modern world works. Revenge is below us. You think we should cut the hand off of thieves too? or take away money and belongings from robbers? Or let rapists get raped in prison? I doubt it. Why then do you think death is necessary for death? It is not. Reducation, therapy, work camps, prison, etc would be better imo.
@LeMightySabre stealing isn't the same as killing someone. if someone kills people cold bloodedly then they should die there is no reason why I have to pay for their therapy. I wish we can send killers over to your house so you can take care of them instead of them getting lethally injected. but nooooo, you only want other people to deal with them.
Wish they would have shown more of the execution part. It must be known that it was a very fair punishment for very serious crimes against England. Good guys 1 bad guys 0.
Queen Elizabeth is shown in here as an emotional woman who is also able to ice-cold rational calculations, a woman bound to duty and reigning, but not impartial, flawless and gracious, but moody, insecure and sometimes even cruel; also I am not secure that this movie does her all justice, though it seeks to excuse some of her deeds by blaming her councillors; since this Elizabeth lacks many times the ceremonial royalty of the renaissance age which no old monarch would have ever forgotten.
It is quite strange that Madame Mirren played in her young and wild days so many of Shakespeare’s heroines like Roland or Imogen and now in her old age she plays his most beloved Queen Elizabeth; who is not only venerated in several plays but also her birth in celebrated in Henry VIII! Which was quite brave of Shakespeare since James VI was already in power and he might not be so very much amused to hear that the murderess of his mother Marry is adored thus in his new realm.
@citizenlen Standards of beauty -- especially among royals -- differs from what they are now. back when royals had absolute power, one dare not call them homely. Consider Henry VIII -- yet a woman in her right mind would dare not have refused him
I've read Scarlett Johansson's suppose to play Mary Stuart in a remake of "Mary, Queen of Scots" which starred Glenda Jackson (Elizabeth I) and Vanessa Redgrave (Mary Stuart) I think she'd be good for the part.
No doubt Mirren is outstanding. Especially when compared to all the blue eyed blond haired kewpie dolls that Hollywood keeps trying to tell us are "great actresses".
One more reason why Hollywood is slowly dying as a relevant force in the entertainment business.
They are more concerned with telling us how we should think politically and all manner of ubequitous propaganda. With no concern of our ability to think for ourselves.
The thing is Mary queen of scotts was greedy,hense she fell into her enemys trap,Elizabeth had no other chose then what she did.
As for her(elizabeths sister)Mary it is clear she was populer in beginning however her desissions werent for best of her pepol(hense her reputation),Elizabeth however never killed anyone for religion ,and she made peace for england,and she did everything for england,hense she is as loved as she is
lets not forget that it was mary 1 a ctholic who set fire to 300 protestants in an open field because a pope demanded it. hence the name bloody mary anytime in history when the catholic church was thrown out of a country you saw that country prosper. long live the queen!
wow the things that have been done for "religion." not really. many have used and continue to use religion as an easy excuse to entangle those of different opinions into their wicked webs. whether under the guise of righteousness, tradition, entitlement, honor, or justice, there will always be those that exploit others' beliefs of 'right' and 'wrong.' there will always be those that seek to ensnare us into fulfilling their own desires. be mindful of this, and perhaps you can remain free.
Interesting that Walsingham proclaims Mary of Scotland to be a traitor, yet she is no subject of Elizabeth's and thus cannot be a traitor against her.
The english royal family are from the tribe of Dan in the Bible. The tribe of Dan is blot out of the twelve tribes of Israel because this is the tribe were the antichrist takes hold. They may have followed God at one time since they were decendantsof King David but the tribe followed pagan ways. They only pretend to be protestants. People who follow God wouldn't execute let alone treat others horribly because they are catholic.
Maybe not the biggest, but certainly among the biggest. I wholeheartedly agree with you, as the genocide against Irish Catholics, the "shutting away" of Jews, and the general killings of English Catholics attest. The winners write history, and they are the ones who demonize Mary (whom I agree is not without her horrific attributes) yet glorify Elizabeth, who killed far more than her sister.
@midwest26 Many a queen was a murderer. Actually, Elizabeth was a good Queen, for her people. She was far from whatt you say, in comparison to many others...
is it possible to upload the scene where earl of essex runs away to join the army and elizabeth goes into a panic attack and starts throwing shoes at her advisors
back then people tried 2 kill or tell lies about mary......but none of them were true...i dont think she should have died....and elisabeth was a great queen
Historically & psychologically Helen's version is much more correct & meaningful. Kate is an excellent actress, but in fact we know very little of the young queen's heart, therefore it is certainly easier to make an authentic picture about the later decades of her life. To say the least: Helen's Elizabeth is as far as I know the only comprehensive illustration of that unequalled queen's soul in action, in everyday circumstances. :)
Cate and Helen are very excellent actresses two of the best. Hellen is good in these TV series. I agree with you that Cate version of QE1 is the best ever seen in a movie/TV serie.
Did you know that in those days there was talk of a marring between the Queen Elizabeth And Willem of Orange but never happened. Both where in a war/fight with King Fillips of Spain.
I read somewhere that Anthony Babington(blond guy getting his guts ripped out) was a page boy of Earl of Shrewsbury( jailer of Queen of Scots). That's when he developed his fatal schoolboy crush.
Tony was so dumb that he had a group portrait made of his fellow conspirators. I have to thank Helen Mirren, Barbara Flynn, and that blonde guy getting his balls cut off in clip. They make history so damn interesting!
it makes me cring wen they r bing hung drawn and quertered that is just too harsh a punishment.......................nothing less from a bitch of a queen
No its beacuse Elizabeths Mother Anne Boelyn Had a sister which was French marie of geuse who was marys mother. so its not though Henry its through her mother.
No, if I read my facts straight it is through Henry VIII. You should research it, and I'm not being rude, Henry's older sister Margaret is Mary's paternal grandmother. Anne Boleyn's sister was Mary Boleyn who is believed to be a one-time mistress to Henry VIII.
Mary Boleyn was Henry mistress it was believed that her children were his the reason they know she was his mistress b/c this was the reason for Henry and Anne annulment before her execution
Okay, Mary is believed to be Henry's mistress-I can handle. Her children, well, I have to do more research on that. But I don't think she was the reason for the annulment. I think it was the lack of male heirs and the accusations of incests and adultry on Anne's part. Not saying it was true.
Every thing you said is true. Henry need a legal reason to annul the marriage in the Bible it says you cannot sleep w/ a women and her sister it was immoral. Henry's really cause we all know. She was execute on accuation of incests and adultry but this was after the he annuled the marriage people forget Henry annuled each of his marriage (expect Jane, and Katherine Parr) before killing them
The reason he did annul the marriage so that all his children w/ Jane would have no worries when they came to the throne. Henry didn't know at the time how short his marriage Jane would be and that he would eventually need both his daughters to secure the throne
This is the greatest performance by an actress playing Elizabeth 1st on screen, apart from Glenda Jackson's performance in the 1970's, Helen mirren is just pure class!
Re: Hanged, Drawn, and Quartered. "It is the sentence of this court that you be hanged by the neck until you are not quite dead; that your privy member be cut off and burned before you; that your entrails be removed and likewise burnt; that your body be beheaded and divided into four quarters and disbursed at the king's pleasure."
At least that's how I heard it explained in the old Enc. Brit., albeit in Latin to hide the horror of it all.
I gotta say, Geoffrey Rush as Walsingham is so bad ass... although McDiramid is not bad, Rush has got that killer's instinct... oh so brilliantly evil.
sometimes inccent priest and monks were drawn and quarted and people who pratice the catholic faith these peaple were not tratiors but were killed for ther faith and loyalty to the pope.
Drawing a person mean - the convicted person will be placed on either a cart or a peice of wooden plank and will be drawn by horse to the place of execution before he is hung and quartered. Instead of drawing, hanging & quartering as per the priorfity of act, they call it as hanging, drawing & quartering which I dont know why...
as I heard it, it really was being "hung", "drawn" by cart as an act of humiliation and pulled apart by carts "quartered", I might be wrong as I did hear it in school about 20 years ago.
To say that Elizabeth I was week misses a great point. If for no other reason to have a space of time named after you in History is no small matter. Many great men never had such a honor as did Elizabeth I. Her intelligences is amazing in that she survived in a mans world in such brutal times is as well amazing. She did what she had to do. plain and simple and to live to be 69 and die of natural causes is even more amazing.She should have died at 21 at Queen Mary's hand via her Husband.
If I may be so bold, King Henry VIII put Elizabeth in the line of succession as did Queen Mary I. Although King Edward VI did not. Bastard or not Elizabeth was made Queen by her Father and her half sister in there wills. Also by law Queen's Mary and Elizabeth where Bastards,This was by law from Henry VIII. Interesting fact in any argument is by Henry VIII's own laws he only had two wives. Queen Jane Seymour and Queen Cathrine Parr. All the rest where annulled. Interesting arguments all round
In reality, Elizabeth didn't support drawing hanging and quartering. When she saw what they were doing to the traitors, she ordered that the rest simply be hanged.
Yes, I read that she was so horrified by the reports of the executions that she ordered that the next batch of traitors who were being executed the following day, be allowed to hang until dead before being disembowelled.
Gah, I HATE Elizabeth I. She was the worst thing to happen to Britain. Such a crude, and illogical Queen. Women like her are not fit for such high office. England has always had weirdos running the country though.
Walsingham and the rest of Elizabeth's councillors look so severe and fanatic in their black clothes. Is it true that Walsingham was a virulent anti-Catholic with an obsession to see Mary Queen of Scots dead?
According to what I read, it's true. Walshinghan barely escaped death at the St. Bartholomew massacre in Paris. And when he returned to England, he made every effort to get Queen Mary tricked into one of his schemes.
Thanks for the warning about graphic scenes of torture, but I had to giggle: those scenes were more of a Cambridge class production of Monty Python reenacting Braveheart. :P
In reality, the executions were much more gruesome, the condemned were fully naked, and after being hung, they were emasculated and castrated first before disemboweled, most died after being cut open, but some remained alive agonizing terribly as their entrails were slowly removed.
...and the guys who's being disemboweled seems to be dozing off, in historical accounts even the magistrates were so horrified of the suffering and screams of the executed that they often threw up or fainted.
Sorry, but even Cate said that her version is an historically inaccurate piece of sh---!. Walshingham did not murder Mary of Guise or had a brother.
In the second version, there was no mention of William Cecil, Robert Dudley, Essex, all whom were more significant in the latter part of Elizabeth's reign than Raleigh.
Unfortunately not even the talented Cate/Geoff can erase this stink.
What I don't get is why Mary choose to flee to Protestant England instead of France. At least in France, Mary had her estates and help from her Catholic relatives.
Yeah, but some men didn't deserve this gruesome punishment.
Francis Dereham-He was sentence to a traitor's for having pre-marital affairs with Henry VIII's Catherine Howard. Ironically, Thomas Culepper(the one who was shagging Miz Howard) got away with a simple beheading.
Rodrigo Lopez- The death of Queen Elizabeth 1's doctor is another tragic story. His only crime was being a foreigner and a Jew.
You are right. Mary was born on 1542, while Elizabeth was born in 1533. A nine years difference. BUT imo Helen Mirren looks a lot older than the actress who plays Mary and she probably is older than her in real life too. Elizabeth was much younger than the other Mary though (her half-sister, daughter of Henry and Catherine).
The '' English'' royal family are not even british, they are german so why they are royals of britain i dont know... the scots cant stand the english royals, dirty protestant rats
The Queen of Scots was insanely lucky to have Elizabeth respect her as a fellow Sovereign and Anointed Queen.
TheNuharoo 15 hours ago
Nobody has the right to take somebodys life for punishment, especialy like that.
1991Hatcher 1 month ago
She makes a wonderful Queen Elizabeth I.
Asrith19 1 month ago
ok, how where those dudes STILL alive when they where being cut open :P
themaxster100 2 months ago
@themaxster100 You don't die just because you get cut open. Eventually they will die but it could take several minutes or even hours to loose enough blood to lose consciousness.
CambridgeHeights 2 months ago
@CambridgeHeights really? huh i always just assumed people automatically die after getting cut open ...i should watch 1000 ways to die more often..
themaxster100 2 months ago
@themaxster100 If you died as soon as you were cut open, they wouldn't be able to perform surgery on people.
bldudas 1 month ago
@bldudas well i guess this is a sign i shouldn't plan a career in medicine :)
themaxster100 1 month ago
@themaxster100 I guess not then. :)
bldudas 1 month ago
@bldudas which is good, i don't like surgery on live people, im more of a "bones" person
themaxster100 1 month ago
now thats what i love to see lots of blood and guts
tapdancegirl88 2 months ago
@nomorespooks Murder and manslaughter I can agree with but car theft? Hanging maybe not but breaking the arms or cuting off the feet I could go with.
jck148 4 months ago
Helen Mirren is a very special women, when acting she captures the screen or stage, she has a special aura, once I saw a photo of her in a two piece bathing suit and thanked God, you see were the same age, and she looked fantastic, even flirtatious I would say but please don't tell her.
MrLProfeta 5 months ago
@nomorespooks Globalization cannot be stopped and that is in part thanks to the world market and interdependence of the industrial and technological societies we live in today. Get used to it bud. The UN, WTO, NATO are not pipe dreams. Almost all of which by the way are working towards ending the death penalty. :) Alot of girls dig unity and all that jazz you know? Ever wonder why so many are social science majors of which all are horny btw. And yes, Star Trek is awesome.
LeMightySabre 5 months ago
@nomorespooks LOL you dont even know what cultural relativism is. Its the respect of the values of other societies around the world. So we should ignore others by shoving it up their ass? You don't even know where Im from lol so how can you say WE. I may be one of the smart ones in YOUR CULTURE. I am not for a divided world I am for a united world. In a united world, MURDER DOES NOT JUSTIFY MURDER. An eye for an eye makes the world go blind. It takes more spine to forgive then to kill
LeMightySabre 5 months ago
@nomorespooks Who decides what the filth is? YOU? No wait, that was Hitler who got to do that and look what happened. Each society has its own definition of filth. It's called cultural relativism or did you think every society was the same? I suppose we should argue and kill each over now as to what the correct one is? Hmmm.. maybe according to our standards your just a piece of filth too because you have a couple of parking tickets and speed too much. Lets hang you for it. idiot.
LeMightySabre 5 months ago
The execution was very gross.
uniquelyanonymoslyme 6 months ago
No more death penalty ftw. Amnesty International.
LeMightySabre 6 months ago
@LeMightySabre the death penalty is fine as long as it is humane like shooting someone. some people should die.
TickleMehNancy 5 months ago
@TickleMehNancy I disagree with you good sir and so does alot of the world but some people still agree with you, like those in Iran, the middle east, the sourthern states in the USA.
LeMightySabre 5 months ago
@LeMightySabre and Japan and China and Russia...just because the rest of the industrialized world (Europe, Australia, Canada) don't have the death penalty it doesn't mean the populace doesn't agree with it. I know many british people who think there should be a death penalty.
TickleMehNancy 5 months ago
@TickleMehNancy Hmmm.. That don't make sense. If they (the majority) of people want the death penalty so bad then why don't they have it? Representitives not listening? The government must really hate the people to not want to listen and kill them legally or the people must really hate themselves to want to kill themselves legally. More and more countries every year are going away from capital punishment every year. Dont tell me "many" people want it back.
LeMightySabre 5 months ago
@LeMightySabre really name a country each year from 2000 to now that has taken away the death penalty? Since every single year more countries are turning away from it? A lot of people in those countries agree with the death penalty in certain situations. When an unapologetic child killer who is proud of what he did doesn't get killed then there is NO justice.
TickleMehNancy 5 months ago
@TickleMehNancy 2000- Malta, 2001- Bosnia-Herz, 2002-Cyrus, yugoslavia, 2003-Armenia, 2004- Bhutan, Greece, Samoa, Sengal, Turkey, 2005-Mexico, 2006- Phillipines, 2007- Albania, Cook Islands, Rwanda, Kryzigstan, 2008-Uzbekistan, Argentina, 2009- Togo, Burundi, 2010- Gabon. Courtesy of Amnesty International. Satisfied? By the way, an eye for an eye makes the world go blind. Death Penalty doesn't deter criminals in any way.
LeMightySabre 5 months ago
@LeMightySabre less people would gouge out someone's eye if they knew their eye would be gouged out as well. My dad grew up in Franco's Spain and he said there was no crime and he rode the train when he was 10 alone because if you did something bad they would shoot you. When the punishment is dire enough trust me it deters criminals!
TickleMehNancy 5 months ago
@TickleMehNancy Do you want to live under a government that has the right to take your life? I don't . Their is a reason Franco's Spain no longer exists anymore along with East Germany. People no longer wanted it. Saying that violence prevents violence isn't a viable argument because as history shows us, it doesn't. Im sure you could walk around Hitler's Germany too and not be afraid of anything if you listened and obeyed the rules but at what cost? Your liberty.
LeMightySabre 5 months ago
@LeMightySabre The death penalty is viable in certain situations. That is my belief and I am glad that most states have it. The norwegian shooter is only going to jail for a maximum of like 40yrs for killing 70ppl. That is BS. He deserves to die.
TickleMehNancy 5 months ago
@TickleMehNancy OF the 192 countries that are part of the UN or recognized only 22% maintain the death penalty in both law and practice. Far short of what you label "most states." The norwegian shooter did wrong and he will pay for it. But killing him would not bring the victims back to life would it? Why stain our hands with his blood?
LeMightySabre 5 months ago
@LeMightySabre because why should the parents of those kids pay for his sustenance in jail (which isn't so bad in Norway)? He is going to get free when he is old and will also be able to live off the state...after killing 70 people! Are you even thinking here? And I am saying thankfully most states (U.S. States) have the death penalty.
TickleMehNancy 5 months ago
@TickleMehNancy His death will solve nothing. The dead are still dead. He will be a social outcast for the rest of his life and an individual to be studied. The real issue isn't the crime itself but what leads up to it. How one was raised, his family, moral being, religion, community all factor into his crime. The United States (I have hope) will follow Europe and bring an end to the death penalty. Being able to kill someone isn't something to be thankful for imo.
LeMightySabre 5 months ago
@LeMightySabre of course his death won't bring anyone back neither will keeping him alive. you must have not had anyone killed. I bet you the parents of those dead kids would rather him shot than for them to support him for the rest of his life.
TickleMehNancy 5 months ago
@TickleMehNancy An eye for an eye is NOT how the modern world works. Revenge is below us. You think we should cut the hand off of thieves too? or take away money and belongings from robbers? Or let rapists get raped in prison? I doubt it. Why then do you think death is necessary for death? It is not. Reducation, therapy, work camps, prison, etc would be better imo.
LeMightySabre 5 months ago
@LeMightySabre stealing isn't the same as killing someone. if someone kills people cold bloodedly then they should die there is no reason why I have to pay for their therapy. I wish we can send killers over to your house so you can take care of them instead of them getting lethally injected. but nooooo, you only want other people to deal with them.
TickleMehNancy 5 months ago
Wish they would have shown more of the execution part. It must be known that it was a very fair punishment for very serious crimes against England. Good guys 1 bad guys 0.
jck148 7 months ago
@jck148 Yeah she really gave Mary every chance in the world.
itsjustme2919 7 months ago
@jck148 are you kidding me, you think GOOD people would kill someone like that? Your definitions are a little fuck up.
TickleMehNancy 5 months ago
@TickleMehNancy It's the way they did it back then. Not much different than capital punishment these days.
jck148 5 months ago
@jck148 um...lethal injection vs. that is a big difference.
TickleMehNancy 5 months ago
Queen Elizabeth is shown in here as an emotional woman who is also able to ice-cold rational calculations, a woman bound to duty and reigning, but not impartial, flawless and gracious, but moody, insecure and sometimes even cruel; also I am not secure that this movie does her all justice, though it seeks to excuse some of her deeds by blaming her councillors; since this Elizabeth lacks many times the ceremonial royalty of the renaissance age which no old monarch would have ever forgotten.
FireEyedMaidOfWar 9 months ago
It is quite strange that Madame Mirren played in her young and wild days so many of Shakespeare’s heroines like Roland or Imogen and now in her old age she plays his most beloved Queen Elizabeth; who is not only venerated in several plays but also her birth in celebrated in Henry VIII! Which was quite brave of Shakespeare since James VI was already in power and he might not be so very much amused to hear that the murderess of his mother Marry is adored thus in his new realm.
FireEyedMaidOfWar 9 months ago
that´s the way u should punish muslims when they r behaving like shit again!
PigSlaughter1988 9 months ago
getting the hook up.
diggyu 9 months ago
them gus are getting the hook up. sucks to be them.
diggyu 9 months ago
WTF! Mary Queen of Scots was known for her great beauty even locked away in the towers, her face was still alluring and regal
citizenlen 10 months ago
@citizenlen Standards of beauty -- especially among royals -- differs from what they are now. back when royals had absolute power, one dare not call them homely. Consider Henry VIII -- yet a woman in her right mind would dare not have refused him
jonwiley 8 months ago
In Elizabeth's head she was probably thinking of her mother Anne's execution and couldn't bring herself to kill a Queen.
citizenlen 10 months ago
didn't elizabeth also ordered the execution of hundreds of catholics? Elizabeth was all head while Mary of Scotts was all heart.
citizenlen 10 months ago
@md991free humm!,..not bad yes !..not bad at all,.indeed !
APhilCollinsFan 10 months ago
Mary Stuart was not fat, especially after twenty years of being cooped up in a castle on a sparing diet.
ligreekguy 11 months ago
Betrayal gets you executed!
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
Geoffrey Rush did a good Walsingham too!
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
She is not Probably the most amazing actress, .... she is most and without doubt the best one , .. its a fact .
APhilCollinsFan 1 year ago
@APhilCollinsFan The only other person that has played Elizabeth I better would be Glenda Jackson in Elizabeth R series 1971
md991free 10 months ago
Very tough acting in this wonderful production.
hineni53 1 year ago
At brief times I feel as if the boy were trying to understand what the adults were hushing about at the dinner table.
you almost need a transcript to take in all that the passionate language conveys through such a convincing actress.
KevinR242 1 year ago
She never fully appreciated Walsingham in my opinion. He was her pitbull! But I absolutely think she was one of the best monarchs of all time.
hnoel79 1 year ago
Thumb up if u liked Geoffrey Rush's portrayal as Francis Walsingham.
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago 4
Michael Hirst creator of "The Tudors" will be doing a movie on Mary Stuart I've read!
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
Look out for the new Showtime series "The Borgias' jeremy irons will be playing the infamous Pope Alexander IV.
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
If The Tudors had returned for a 4th season, it would've been nice to have seen Elizabeth and Robin's young romance.
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
Vote up if u Loved The Tudors too.
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
This was a good miniseries.
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
I've read Scarlett Johansson's suppose to play Mary Stuart in a remake of "Mary, Queen of Scots" which starred Glenda Jackson (Elizabeth I) and Vanessa Redgrave (Mary Stuart) I think she'd be good for the part.
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
No doubt Mirren is outstanding. Especially when compared to all the blue eyed blond haired kewpie dolls that Hollywood keeps trying to tell us are "great actresses".
One more reason why Hollywood is slowly dying as a relevant force in the entertainment business.
They are more concerned with telling us how we should think politically and all manner of ubequitous propaganda. With no concern of our ability to think for ourselves.
Good riddance.
DalonCole 1 year ago
The thing is Mary queen of scotts was greedy,hense she fell into her enemys trap,Elizabeth had no other chose then what she did.
As for her(elizabeths sister)Mary it is clear she was populer in beginning however her desissions werent for best of her pepol(hense her reputation),Elizabeth however never killed anyone for religion ,and she made peace for england,and she did everything for england,hense she is as loved as she is
Flohaug81 1 year ago
lets not forget that it was mary 1 a ctholic who set fire to 300 protestants in an open field because a pope demanded it. hence the name bloody mary anytime in history when the catholic church was thrown out of a country you saw that country prosper. long live the queen!
vain4u 1 year ago
wow the things that have been done for "religion." not really. many have used and continue to use religion as an easy excuse to entangle those of different opinions into their wicked webs. whether under the guise of righteousness, tradition, entitlement, honor, or justice, there will always be those that exploit others' beliefs of 'right' and 'wrong.' there will always be those that seek to ensnare us into fulfilling their own desires. be mindful of this, and perhaps you can remain free.
jstb0b 1 year ago 2
Interesting that Walsingham proclaims Mary of Scotland to be a traitor, yet she is no subject of Elizabeth's and thus cannot be a traitor against her.
warp9p65 1 year ago 2
eww, sick!
brookedillman81 1 year ago
Helen Mirren is probably the most amazing actress in the past 100 years.
MrZebraZombie 1 year ago 39
Why are you having a historical debate on here? Just admire Dame Helen's amazing work!
thesungodterry 1 year ago 11
The english royal family are from the tribe of Dan in the Bible. The tribe of Dan is blot out of the twelve tribes of Israel because this is the tribe were the antichrist takes hold. They may have followed God at one time since they were decendantsof King David but the tribe followed pagan ways. They only pretend to be protestants. People who follow God wouldn't execute let alone treat others horribly because they are catholic.
midwest26 1 year ago
Elizabeth was not a queen she was a murderer. She was the biggest b--ch in history.
midwest26 1 year ago
@midwest26
Maybe not the biggest, but certainly among the biggest. I wholeheartedly agree with you, as the genocide against Irish Catholics, the "shutting away" of Jews, and the general killings of English Catholics attest. The winners write history, and they are the ones who demonize Mary (whom I agree is not without her horrific attributes) yet glorify Elizabeth, who killed far more than her sister.
ligreekguy 1 year ago
@midwest26 Many a queen was a murderer. Actually, Elizabeth was a good Queen, for her people. She was far from whatt you say, in comparison to many others...
1toscany 1 year ago 3
is it possible to upload the scene where earl of essex runs away to join the army and elizabeth goes into a panic attack and starts throwing shoes at her advisors
Srhana 1 year ago
@Srhana I agree, but does anyone know where I can watch the part where he comes back to court and kisses the hem of her dress?
StrangeShipper 11 months ago
back then people tried 2 kill or tell lies about mary......but none of them were true...i dont think she should have died....and elisabeth was a great queen
TheBrennabob 1 year ago
they try to traitor elizabeth. they get dismembered.
JabbaMoonlight 1 year ago
this is cool we watched this in out eupropean history class
ratman959 1 year ago
Helen Mirren's performance gives me life
quenek 1 year ago 3
mesmerizing.
whosdestinysdaddy 1 year ago
Historically & psychologically Helen's version is much more correct & meaningful. Kate is an excellent actress, but in fact we know very little of the young queen's heart, therefore it is certainly easier to make an authentic picture about the later decades of her life. To say the least: Helen's Elizabeth is as far as I know the only comprehensive illustration of that unequalled queen's soul in action, in everyday circumstances. :)
v79benno 1 year ago 5
Cate and Helen are very excellent actresses two of the best. Hellen is good in these TV series. I agree with you that Cate version of QE1 is the best ever seen in a movie/TV serie.
Did you know that in those days there was talk of a marring between the Queen Elizabeth And Willem of Orange but never happened. Both where in a war/fight with King Fillips of Spain.
Maasdam1993 1 year ago
I read somewhere that Anthony Babington(blond guy getting his guts ripped out) was a page boy of Earl of Shrewsbury( jailer of Queen of Scots). That's when he developed his fatal schoolboy crush.
Tony was so dumb that he had a group portrait made of his fellow conspirators. I have to thank Helen Mirren, Barbara Flynn, and that blonde guy getting his balls cut off in clip. They make history so damn interesting!
BellaGoth12 2 years ago
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ScottishAlkie1 2 years ago
The only thing that was true was that it was not a fair trial. But Elizabeth herself should not be blamed. Her advisors were the corrupted ones.
RoonJazz 2 years ago 5
If anyone knows where I can find the soundtrack to this movie, please please tell me, I want it and don't know where to find it! I love this movie!
Nephphantom 2 years ago
4:59 to 5:45
Now that's a party!
chodaboy51500 2 years ago
gross eww yo
gravityhammer25 2 years ago
Why were they all gettting Tortured???
MsTiny72 2 years ago
They're actually being hung, drawn and quartered - back in Tudor times it was the traditional method of execution for traitors.
Lionstar16 2 years ago 4
Thanks I did not realise they were traitors, its horrible to see,
MsTiny72 2 years ago
Why did she freak out and why was Walsingham´s spy kild? I am sorry I am not an english speaker so I don´t catch things quickly enough
alonelychild 2 years ago
What a shitty period of time to live in. Torture, hanging, disemboweling and beheading people. Sick.
bluesuedeshuze7603 2 years ago 4
agreed
alonelychild 2 years ago 2
being hang drawn and quartered is one of the most brutalest things that i ever seen in my life...that is just sad and down right fucked up
dominiquen210 2 years ago 4
it makes me cring wen they r bing hung drawn and quertered that is just too harsh a punishment.......................nothing less from a bitch of a queen
deano545 2 years ago
what is the relative relation between elizabeth and mary?
IRAQ20072006 2 years ago
second cousins
deano545 2 years ago
Mary is Elizabeth's cousin by Henry VIII. Henry's older sister Margaret is Mary's paternal grandmother.
kasumi421 2 years ago 5
No its beacuse Elizabeths Mother Anne Boelyn Had a sister which was French marie of geuse who was marys mother. so its not though Henry its through her mother.
xchaveybabex 2 years ago
No, if I read my facts straight it is through Henry VIII. You should research it, and I'm not being rude, Henry's older sister Margaret is Mary's paternal grandmother. Anne Boleyn's sister was Mary Boleyn who is believed to be a one-time mistress to Henry VIII.
kasumi421 2 years ago 2
Mary Boleyn was Henry mistress it was believed that her children were his the reason they know she was his mistress b/c this was the reason for Henry and Anne annulment before her execution
kaybbayyy2362 2 years ago
Okay, Mary is believed to be Henry's mistress-I can handle. Her children, well, I have to do more research on that. But I don't think she was the reason for the annulment. I think it was the lack of male heirs and the accusations of incests and adultry on Anne's part. Not saying it was true.
kasumi421 2 years ago
Every thing you said is true. Henry need a legal reason to annul the marriage in the Bible it says you cannot sleep w/ a women and her sister it was immoral. Henry's really cause we all know. She was execute on accuation of incests and adultry but this was after the he annuled the marriage people forget Henry annuled each of his marriage (expect Jane, and Katherine Parr) before killing them
kaybbayyy2362 2 years ago
OH! Thank you for clearing that up.
kasumi421 2 years ago
You're Welcome
kaybbayyy2362 2 years ago
also that's why Elizabeth was a bastard, his father annuled the marriage making her illegitimate
kaybbayyy2362 2 years ago
He sure did...the jerk.
kasumi421 2 years ago
The reason he did annul the marriage so that all his children w/ Jane would have no worries when they came to the throne. Henry didn't know at the time how short his marriage Jane would be and that he would eventually need both his daughters to secure the throne
kaybbayyy2362 2 years ago 3
@kaybbayyy2362 Elizabeth made her cousins Henry a privy councilour and Catherine a maid of honour.
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
ohhhhhhhh
my God
where is the Human Rights?
IRAQ20072006 2 years ago
Well, they're kinda nonexistent around this time. John Locke didn't come around until the enlightenment, so.
V0str0yan 2 years ago
in the 16th century? Are you serious?
bulked 2 years ago
HOLY FUCKING SHIT.
I never saw anything like this in a movie before! Damn. I'm speechless.
Are there any other scenes like this in the movie? Just curious.
deimosfire 2 years ago
The greatest monarch of all time
lamplight5 2 years ago 23
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jerry! jerry! jerry! jerry!
sweenytodd101 2 years ago
looks like the tactics needed on US government
IndependentPhillyPA 2 years ago
She is such a amazing actress - I can't help believing it's actually Queen Elizabeth I
Aarontlondon 2 years ago 5
@Aarontlondon Ikr! Helen Mirren really did do awesome justice to the part, she captured Elizabeth's personality perfectly. Love her portrayal of her!
HistoryLover1550 1 year ago
This is the greatest performance by an actress playing Elizabeth 1st on screen, apart from Glenda Jackson's performance in the 1970's, Helen mirren is just pure class!
nicziw 2 years ago 2
your right, the problem with the jackson ER was the sets, a low budget tv series.
unigateman 2 years ago
Re: Hanged, Drawn, and Quartered. "It is the sentence of this court that you be hanged by the neck until you are not quite dead; that your privy member be cut off and burned before you; that your entrails be removed and likewise burnt; that your body be beheaded and divided into four quarters and disbursed at the king's pleasure."
At least that's how I heard it explained in the old Enc. Brit., albeit in Latin to hide the horror of it all.
ursprach 2 years ago 2
Oh torture seen was so disguisting. I feel like I am going to puke.
bellcms 2 years ago
I gotta say, Geoffrey Rush as Walsingham is so bad ass... although McDiramid is not bad, Rush has got that killer's instinct... oh so brilliantly evil.
dzee127 2 years ago
Can anyone tell me where I can watch this movie from beginnning to end, in ORDER?
MyEarsROpen 2 years ago
its on hbo and fios tv on demand still
MsCarter90 2 years ago
HIRE it
shelzo 2 years ago
I thought that Catholic Inquisition was very very sexy... but angicanism is too much!
Rendorseg88 2 years ago
when Cate Blanchett played as the Queen..
Sidneius 2 years ago
sometimes inccent priest and monks were drawn and quarted and people who pratice the catholic faith these peaple were not tratiors but were killed for ther faith and loyalty to the pope.
coolbrian15 2 years ago 3
drawing a person is mean
coolbrian15 2 years ago
sadly that wa the point-treason was, and to some still is the most heinous crime, deserving the most agonising, degrading punishment imaginable
bulked 2 years ago
Drawing a person mean - the convicted person will be placed on either a cart or a peice of wooden plank and will be drawn by horse to the place of execution before he is hung and quartered. Instead of drawing, hanging & quartering as per the priorfity of act, they call it as hanging, drawing & quartering which I dont know why...
rangy8888 2 years ago
as I heard it, it really was being "hung", "drawn" by cart as an act of humiliation and pulled apart by carts "quartered", I might be wrong as I did hear it in school about 20 years ago.
lintthief 2 years ago
yeah just Wiki'ed it as I heard it differently but yeah nasty stuff.
lintthief 2 years ago
There are two interpretations of drawing: either being dragged on a hurdle to their deaths or to be cut open and disembowelled.
Watch the version in Elizabeth R. Not explicit at all but much creepier.
Apparently, the first round of executions were so bad, Elizabeth ordered to second lot to be quicker.
lamenzies 2 years ago 5
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the most evil of queens
unigateman 2 years ago
To say that Elizabeth I was week misses a great point. If for no other reason to have a space of time named after you in History is no small matter. Many great men never had such a honor as did Elizabeth I. Her intelligences is amazing in that she survived in a mans world in such brutal times is as well amazing. She did what she had to do. plain and simple and to live to be 69 and die of natural causes is even more amazing.She should have died at 21 at Queen Mary's hand via her Husband.
regszikora 2 years ago 3
If I may be so bold, King Henry VIII put Elizabeth in the line of succession as did Queen Mary I. Although King Edward VI did not. Bastard or not Elizabeth was made Queen by her Father and her half sister in there wills. Also by law Queen's Mary and Elizabeth where Bastards,This was by law from Henry VIII. Interesting fact in any argument is by Henry VIII's own laws he only had two wives. Queen Jane Seymour and Queen Cathrine Parr. All the rest where annulled. Interesting arguments all round
regszikora 2 years ago
This queen ,Costant ,is Elizabeth I , or Joan of Arch?...XDD.
And the Nobel Prize goes to...Betsy Tudor!!!. Come on...
crvdelis 2 years ago
Mary was not fat.
oxCrystalProductions 2 years ago
In reality, Elizabeth didn't support drawing hanging and quartering. When she saw what they were doing to the traitors, she ordered that the rest simply be hanged.
Elfendied11 3 years ago
Yes, I read that she was so horrified by the reports of the executions that she ordered that the next batch of traitors who were being executed the following day, be allowed to hang until dead before being disembowelled.
mirrorofsin 2 years ago
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Gah, I HATE Elizabeth I. She was the worst thing to happen to Britain. Such a crude, and illogical Queen. Women like her are not fit for such high office. England has always had weirdos running the country though.
VersaillesLaNuit 3 years ago
Helen Mirren is amazing!! great actress to portrait great queen.
morganka 3 years ago 5
England once had a tradition of great rulers--true maybe ruthless at times.
But you can see now why this was a country that built an empire "on which the sun never set".
zooeyhall 3 years ago
Yea they were cruel but fair!
leonardoboy2 3 years ago
Walsingham and the rest of Elizabeth's councillors look so severe and fanatic in their black clothes. Is it true that Walsingham was a virulent anti-Catholic with an obsession to see Mary Queen of Scots dead?
frantic1971 3 years ago 2
According to what I read, it's true. Walshinghan barely escaped death at the St. Bartholomew massacre in Paris. And when he returned to England, he made every effort to get Queen Mary tricked into one of his schemes.
CondorFlyingHigh 3 years ago 2
Excellent production. Queen Elizabeth I has always been one of my favorites. Tough and wise.
AinsleysRevenge 3 years ago 2
Thanks for the warning about graphic scenes of torture, but I had to giggle: those scenes were more of a Cambridge class production of Monty Python reenacting Braveheart. :P
marisbosquet 3 years ago
In reality, the executions were much more gruesome, the condemned were fully naked, and after being hung, they were emasculated and castrated first before disemboweled, most died after being cut open, but some remained alive agonizing terribly as their entrails were slowly removed.
23en73 2 years ago
...and the guys who's being disemboweled seems to be dozing off, in historical accounts even the magistrates were so horrified of the suffering and screams of the executed that they often threw up or fainted.
23en73 2 years ago
I love how Mary stands her ground and never admits her guilt...not an effective queen but an effective woman
Bdawg9891 3 years ago
Notice it says, "a COPY of the original!"
This was a faked letter...and has never been proved otherwise...Elizabeth did not believe it was not a forgery....
girlznguitarz 3 years ago
i like better the version with Geoffrey Rush as Sir Francis Walsingham and Richard Attenborough as Sir William Cecil :)
bogdyi89 3 years ago
Sorry, but even Cate said that her version is an historically inaccurate piece of sh---!. Walshingham did not murder Mary of Guise or had a brother.
In the second version, there was no mention of William Cecil, Robert Dudley, Essex, all whom were more significant in the latter part of Elizabeth's reign than Raleigh.
Unfortunately not even the talented Cate/Geoff can erase this stink.
BellaGoth12 3 years ago 8
Well my opinion is my opinion and I like better the other versions !! Happy New Year
bogdyi89 3 years ago
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BellaGoth12 3 years ago
What I don't get is why Mary choose to flee to Protestant England instead of France. At least in France, Mary had her estates and help from her Catholic relatives.
BellaGoth12 3 years ago
well Mary wanted the throne of England because Philip wanted the same thing
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bogdyi89 3 years ago
euuw
UAYfiller 3 years ago
i fell sorry for thats mans guts
ckueste 3 years ago
Check out 4:59 - those guys won't have the guts to commit treason ever again!!!
wardenphil 3 years ago 4
I'd be avoiding red meat for a while.
BellaGoth12 3 years ago 2
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mirrorofsin 2 years ago
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BellaGoth12 3 years ago
Obviously word didn't spread too well, because it seemed to happen to quite a few people. You'd think it would act as a deterrent.
drummrgy 3 years ago
Yeah, but some men didn't deserve this gruesome punishment.
Francis Dereham-He was sentence to a traitor's for having pre-marital affairs with Henry VIII's Catherine Howard. Ironically, Thomas Culepper(the one who was shagging Miz Howard) got away with a simple beheading.
Rodrigo Lopez- The death of Queen Elizabeth 1's doctor is another tragic story. His only crime was being a foreigner and a Jew.
Some of these guys were simply on the wrong side.
BellaGoth12 3 years ago 4
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BellaGoth12 3 years ago
MQOS was Elizabeth I's cousin she was henry VIII's eldest sisters daughter and also married the king of france
amandamason08 3 years ago
theyve made mary queen of scots really old, when in fact elizabeth was alot older than mary... weird
jpmac23 3 years ago
You are right. Mary was born on 1542, while Elizabeth was born in 1533. A nine years difference. BUT imo Helen Mirren looks a lot older than the actress who plays Mary and she probably is older than her in real life too. Elizabeth was much younger than the other Mary though (her half-sister, daughter of Henry and Catherine).
MaxDexus 3 years ago
The '' English'' royal family are not even british, they are german so why they are royals of britain i dont know... the scots cant stand the english royals, dirty protestant rats
jpmac23 3 years ago