Nice pastor, but this really didn't address the "problem of evil" very much; maybe in the longer video? The pastor didn't answer a single question about his theology or the reasons for preferring a religious moral framework over a secular one.
You can tell that the pastor is a great human being, regardless of theological differences. He uses Christianity as his baseline, but the life lessons he's endured fuels him to try and help others. A real mensch!
The "original sin" argument is nonsense. If god loved humanity even REMOTELY, he would not hold them accountable for the sins of their ancestors. That's the equivalent of punishing German youth for the crimes of the Nazis, or Russian youth for the crimes of Stalin; unwaranted punishment is not loving!
@SamuelRust i agree with you.... the whole time i was watching this video i was like... he asked how the pastor explains this, not what he does when shit happens...
@thetvuser666 Yeah, but that excuse only takes in to account the perspective of the people who survive the hardship. If your death strengthens those around you, whoopee for them. But you're dead. Arbitrarily choosing who dies and who gets "strengthened" isn't the tuff of a benevolent deity but a tyrant. Also, how does heaven get around the free will problem? Obviously they do something to make it such a swell place- is there no free will in heaven? A problem no matter the answer.
I swear, debate is useless with any theist; you never debate the existence of the same god twice. It's just like "So, which version with what theology do you believe?" renders the whole thing pretty pointless
@singapore7773 My mother also cannot wait to die, but then when she gor really sick, she was willing to do anything to get better to stay alive. Strange huh?
This is the first time I've seen this and I thought I watched most of the back episodes of The Atheist Experience. I am extremely disappointed. This wasn't a debate at all, it was this guy's life story. I mean, they have a Christian on for the first time ever and this is how they "debate" him. They should do it again as a real debate.
What the f*** the hosts keep asking the pastor about how he reconciles the notions of the 3 omni's with evil and then instead of giving an answer he talks about how it doesn't say he''l do that in the bible and then changes the subject to how he's witnessed suffering. That's not an answer.
What was the point of this video. We are all well aware what christians believe, and philanthropy and charity do not help prove that god is "all the omni's" as the pastor put it or even for the existence for god. If they didn't plan on debating him, then don't have him on. Yes he seems nice, reasonable, and level headed, but the basis for his beliefs cannot be backed by anything other than faith.
"His holiness is what fuels love and you have to take it on faith."
Exactly, man. Total. Complete. Bullshit.
Seriously, do these people listen to themselves talk in circles???? Why can't they see it? Why are they so blind to logic, but ONLY in regards to "god"?
If it was anything else, I think most people like this pastor are intelligent people, and would see their folly!!!
I think he's invest his whole life into it, so.....
Saying "God fuels our love" (5:00) discredits the person performing the act. It's dehumanizing to say this, but I guess that's how Christianity manages to keep a lot of its followers - you are guilty, sinful and imperfect and only God can make you better... what a boat load of crap.
@gupsphoo completely agree. at least he is honest to say 'that's life' or 'it is accepted by faith, not evidence' and 'i dont have all the answers'. tell that to william lane craig.
@bonk926: They let him get away with too much. He was there for a debate...but he gave answers they totally would have roasted callers on. Jeff should have been on this show. :P
@CrypticMantisTX55 I agree. They're wrong, the Problem of Evil is more than enough reason not to believe an all loving and all powerful god exist. The preacher said there isn't a scripture saying God(at least he's honest) should stop sufferring but if he's just and cares so much, he should at try. Is a father who watches his children get beaten and raped and can stop it but doesn't a loving father? What is loving about a God would punishes unborn people for actions they had nothing to do with?
@HybridD91 ANswer: Its a trick question!!! nothing in this life matters at all because afterwards we all live forever and ever and ever. this is a pretty typical response. but by far, the most common answer, and impressively the worst, and the answer i'm guessing the pastor used on this show (i havent watched it yet) is we have free will. which seems pretty insufficient as it only adresses like killing or rape or things, not earthquakes etc. AND if i'm raped, thats not MY will.
@CrypticMantisTX55 Its the first time they had a christians on the show I think the last thing they should do is tear him apart. It would be negative ,and this show has been consistent in showing that they want to be positive Atheist.
@CrypticMantisTX55 Its the first time they had a christians on the show I think the last thing they want to do is tear him apart. It would be negative ,and this show has been consistent in showing that they want to be positive Atheist.
@CrypticMantisTX55 I actually prefer this to making asses out of the idiot callers they get. This guy is a very moderate Christian who is firm in his beliefs but does not make any extreme assertions and seems to have no problem at all with having an intelligent and heartfelt discussion about what constitutes his entire world-view. There are a lot more people like this Pastor out there, but most don't seem to want to call into the show since they aren't looking for a debate. I enjoyed this ^^
I'm not attacking you, I'm attacking your believes.
Again... Jesus insulted trees.
Why do we have to kill in order to live?. Why does the grain have to die?.
Jesus said a lot of nonsense, like for instance:
"And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils (..) They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."
So... they were vipers?.. they were reptiles?. Uhm sorry, no way around it for you, it IS an insult, calling names. If they were so evil that even your God had to insult them, then why did He created them in the first place?.
Let me try to figure it out... you're saying that there is a GOOD form of SLAVERY?.
In buddha's time, there was something similar to slavery called caste system.
The pharisees didn't murder Jesus, they weren't beliving his petty miracles which is different.
That justifies insults?... Your God has to lower himself to insulting people?. Pathetic.
Slavery in the bible is different?.
LOL... how many slavery types are there?.
There is only one for me... being forced to serve someone against your will. Don't try to cover it up... the bible endorses slavery quite clear, and it's the same slavery everywhere, including the usa.
Matt 23:31-33 "Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers' guilt. Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?"
What's the intent of those insults?, it also goes on rambling how hypocrites they are.
And let me get one thing clear... are you saying the bible DOES NOT condone, instruct and enable the use of slavery?.
"jesus had a reason to insult others. he was trying to wake them up."
Sooo mature, let's insutl others because they're simply stupid. I would have literally punched him in the face.
The buddha, never insulted anyone, neither did Socrates and they were trying to WAKE people up... what's your excuse, that allows any form of violence?.
And by Insult I mean, meaningless insults followed with a sentence of eternal damnation:
Jesus was an end of days preachers, just like the ones you cross in the streets, he was utterlly convinced that in the lifetime of his disciples, the kingship of God will come down to Earth.
@singapore7773 Are you serious, there are starbucks on every corner to, maybe I should start praying to a cup of coffee...... lame argument man!!!!!!!!!!
That's because Christianity has a lot of followers in the US, go to other religious countries and you won't see the same.
But I ask you again.
Why is the ammount of churches on YOUR area, establish if a religion is true or not?. Do you know how many Mormon Churches and Scientology ones are there?.
They're not hiding their teachings... they simply can't afford, no religion can a church every block.
You don't have it down the *block*, THAT'S your explanation how Catholicsism is THE true religion. Surely you can see how ilogical that is.
If you're looking for information regarding other religions, you can go to a bookstore or look up books on the internet, sheesh even wikipedia will work sometimes.
The King didn't founded buddhism, he was simply a buddhist. If you don't find the "church" then you're not looking enough, there are several in Santa Cruz, Ca. Try the one in 5800 Prescott Road.
And there are literally thousands of temples in India, several in Ahmedabad, like the Iskon Temple... but care to explain me the logic besides this asinine arguement you're positing?.
Oh I'd also recomend you look up on the history of King Asoka.
The greatest of all kings that inhabited the world according to many historians.
He turned to buddhism, and did REAL good, his works alone bring to shame whatever the Vatican or the Catholic faith may have done for others, specially considering the price they demmand.
She didn't... get your facts right, she started 400 CONVENTS, to train nuns (to spread her pleasure, from other people's suffering. She hated doctors and killed thousands of people by refusing to give them medical treatment.
It's just lies, and propaganda, she accepted money from the worse genocidal regime in Haiti, and condoned it.
I'd recomend you read up on other religions, instead of automatically asuming *yours* is the correct one. Saying nothingness=me, is profoundly mistaken from a buddhist standpoint.
"no catholic is not violent. where did u get that from....sheeesh."
History... sheesh, ever read a book about the middle ages?.
Again with the utilitaristic fallacy:
All religions combined outnumber Christianity, greatly.
Is the world flat?. Most people thought so. Why isn't it then?.
"the catholic bishop of shanghai. imprisioned for 30yrs. for being catholic."
Exactly my point. It's against the law to be Catholic in so many countries.
So they ask again: "Where is your religion?, aha! in Jail... why would I belive in it then, if God dosen't help them, my religion is thriving in temples and pagodas".
It was your own originial point. They could very well make the exact same statement.
"sex is way more than that in the catholic church. and it will always be more."
Glad that our ancestors didn't mind what the church said, otherwise we woulden't be here.
Are you aware that if you trace your geneaology up to 4 generations (grandparents), there's over a 120% chance that it was an "affair" and not a marriage, that gave birth to a child?.
Addictive self destructive behaviours do not need to be flagged as "sin" in order for us to understand, it's detrimental for both our mental and physical health. Sex for instance, wether in marriage or in a simply healthy monogamous relationship is healthy.
This austerity from "worldy pleasures" existed on religions across the glob centruies before Christyanity or Judaism.
It dosen't prove the Catholic church is right, any more than it validates Hinduism.
1) You ignored the intrinsincate fallacy within the Genesis story. So until you adress that point I raised, you don't get to use Genesis to back up other arguments.
2) You haven't adressed any of my points regarding the cultural diversity and the 10 commandments, that prove St. Agustine (one of the founders of the inquisition), was utterlly wrong.
If I make an imaginary rule that anyone who says the word "God" will be punished forever...
@singapore7773 So Eve created the apple and ate it? I didn't know that. I'm sure God did though, since he's all knowing and all. And we can't do anything to deceive him... or trick him... or surprise him... since he knows the future...
"interpretation of" Is not an interpretation, it's a direct commandment.
Promiscuos behaviour with proper lubrication that dosen't lead to the break of tissue and cells, has very low chances of transfering HIV from the host.
On the other hand, rape has very high chances.
And if you use condoms on both cases, the chances are virtually 0.
AND, they DO listen to the pope. They're very religious, and that's the only educationt hey have.
"i think we designed the virus. by eating the apple we were told not to eat."
How did Eve do a "bad" thing by eating the apple?. She didn't knew what good or bad was UNTIL she ate it.
Would you punish a child for pressing the launch button on a nuclear missile?. No the fault lies with the autorities (God) that led the child into that situtation.
Are you saying God is irresponsible and can't admit his own mistakes?.
The fact remains, Catholic church is the only source of education on these countries (because of a political move on their part). They intentionally tell thousands of people with aids (even in marrige), that condoms cause aids.
Killing thousands upon thousands.
It's not marriage that prevents aids, it's not getting raped, not being born with it, etc.
And that's the same Man, that said the Earth was a disc... talking about retards.
Why did napoleon wanted to stop the Chruch?, ever thought of that?, ever thought of the spanish inquisition that he set on to stop?.
Hinduism, buddhism daosim, and countless other religious institutions lasted LONGER than the church.
Are you done with arguments from authority (logical fallacies), scientology is popular, does that mean scientology is true?. Socialism, is popular does the same apply?.
"the bible says it rains on just and unjust" so what , does that matter what the bible says.. does not change the idea why would all loving GOD create a system like that then?
It's called cultural propagation by force in the middle ages. And then you ask why catholicism is so popular...
It's like asking, why does a virus spread so rapidly...
Anyways, do you have any decent arguments at all or you're just gonna keep on ranting how much good catholiscism does?.
Why don't you ask the africans who constantly die (millions of them) over aids, because the Chruch prohibits and misinforms about condoms, and how using these give aids?.
Uh?... I read blah, blah, blah, Ad Hominem, blah blah blah.
You want me to compare myself to an institution that has been coning people for money for over 1600 years?.
Secular colleges are better in both numbers and education.
Yes I agree it's sad the catholic church has been around for so long, but you know that's what you get when anyone that questions you get's burned alive.
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."
Hope you go killing all those pesky children and homosexuals now.
Your boss, never said anything about the 10 commandments. He upheld all of Jewish law, including of course the 613 commandments.
You have no evidence for your "boss", much less for him "rising from the dead".
Show me which passage he mentioned we should follow specifically the 10 commandments?. On which one he mentioned we should discard the old law (but not the 10 commandments)?.
The ones that specify how to kill unruly children, how and which slaves you can own, what's deemed "unclean" that requires an animal sacrifice to atone for.
To stone homosexuals, people working on the "sabbath", etc.
I could go on, but the point is.
YOU chose what to belive, how to behave. Don't claim it's the bible or that if you never read (or reject) the 10 commandments, you're a genocidal mass murdering/raping ass.
Denmark, Sweden, Netherlands, Finland and those other countries that have over 80% atheist population, that are as surveys suggest... the Happiest places of the world?. Sure would suck to be them.
Give me just one "atheist" country, of those you mentioned. Just one whose population is 80% atheist or higher.
Have you read the 10 commandments? The first 4 are usless. The others are common sense. Shame you didn't read the 603 ones that came just after.
"it is the other side who says we are equal to monkeys and then acts like it."
It's not any side that tells us we're "equals" to monkies, we're simply advanced apes. We share a common ancestor. And that "side" is the same one that makes your vaccines against diseases and enabled us to live past the age of 20. It's called biology.
Do you really belive too much skeptical inquiry is afoul at north korea?. All those countries, including the socialistic/marxistic regimes have nothing to do with atheism. They're religions of their own. For crying out loud people are "forced" to worship their leader in North Korea.
If you want to look at atheists countries where religion dosen't pollute almost nothing, look at Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Netherlands, etc.
But the main question is, do you trully belive that without somesort of God or divine authority, we would commit the most heinous of crimes such as murder, rape, torture etc.?
Well in the larger context, the most naive and sorry for the word "stupid" of the brothers, uses that phrase to try to instill some fear into a servant. But it backfires, giving him hallucinations about the devil.
Are you aware the guy who said that was the most stupid character in Brothers Karamazov?. It was ment as a satire, and yet you repeat his words as if they had some wisdom.
We know rain falls on good and bad that is one of the best reasons not believe in a moral God. So far as all religions are concerned, human beings deserve whatever happens to them, since we cannot blame God, since he is all good.
If you are going to have a "debate" you really ought to find someone represents the brightest the opposition has to offer. With all due respect to Pastor Miller, he isn't it.
So god made a computer, designed a virus, infected his computer, and cannot tolerate this virus. He's not all-good though, he's "holy", which doesn't mean "all good." However it's funny that murder, lying, thievery, rape, hatred, anger and all the like are labeled as "unholy", as in "not like god." So if god is not unholy and thus does not contain all these attributes... then he's all-good. But we know he's not because he IS a murderer and he DOES hate people...
wishy-washy mush... This if anything illustrates how any conversation about absurdity, tends to be absurd itself. Perhaps a Rabbi would have been a better choice since they fear the Elohim like a strict loving parent prone to fits of murderous rage.
Put sunglasses on the pastor and you got Agent Smith from the Matrix. Especially when he says "computer virus"
Matt Dillahunty put it best. The concept of Christianity is like saying God threw us all in a pool of water and waved a lifesaver in front of us and said "ok who doesn't want to drown?"
Thats not god. It is an equally irrational chemically induced state.
TrooFaX
Although I never have crushed up, washed down or otherwise rinsed out then powdered any bark nor have I researched any chemicals given the choice DMT or religion DMT hands down.
My name is downfurlife. Gimme a break. This is my WoW toons name. Its not even my main at that. Hopefully that tells you a lot about me. :) With that in mind my comments are not intended to be internet tough guy words. Rather what I believe is a necessary shift in mind set for many non-theists who desire to crush or otherwise end theism. If you do not care about mine, I will still stick up for yours as my time permits. As for mine well, religion can keep its hands off her throat.
OMG this is one of those people who molest little boys...... I have been watching this video for about 3 minutes now and have YET to see the christian take his eyes off of the host. I mean he is like STARING!! If that were me I would be freakin out. Like DUDE STOP STARING AT ME
Why would you let a dumb piece of shit like this on your show and not call him a dumb shit. The problem with atheists is the vast majority are pussies. Fuck this guy and any non-theist who wants to give this prick an equal platform. Have a nice day :)
@Downfurlife fuck you great you have nuts to talk shit about theists on youtube this is an educational program whos gonna listen if we show them the true nature of thier false logic
@DawahFilms - I'd love to see the statistics that show which people converted to religion when (i.e. before or after they entered prison) and where that study cites exactly their reasons for converting (e.g. "for reform purposes"). The Federal Bureau of Prisons survey of 93,112 inmates showed about 20% who did not answer OR stated "no preference," which can't be interpreted any other way than "none of your business." 83.76% were Christian. Over 99.7% were "non-atheist."
"Evil" as such doesn't exist. Natural disasters are not evil. They just are. Humans have free will and can therefore commit crimes against each other but that isn't "evil" per se.
I think it would have been much like Genghis Khan vs care bears had Matt shown up. I mean this was a one sided debate as it was. The pastor did not address directly how he reconciles the problem of evil. He simply stated what he believed about it and pretty much ignored that there is a problem with it altogether. Matt might have destroyed him altogether along with any hopes of a future generation with his insight on church doctrine.
So he ("god") is holy meaning he is good etc. and he is also all powerful .......... >.> way to dodge the question pastor.
LogicalStatements3 1 day ago
Great guest... I felt a lot of respect for this guy. He sounds like a genuinely compassionate human being. Different from what you normally see.
dannytibi 1 month ago
poor guy was lost,no clue but plenty of delusion.
MrEnlightenup 3 months ago
A nice guy, with a good heart, but a horrible defense.
jedi1love 3 months ago
I buy only cage free eggs, and I don't eat red meat, but I do eat fish a couple times a week.
ndrthrdr1 5 months ago
Nice pastor, but this really didn't address the "problem of evil" very much; maybe in the longer video? The pastor didn't answer a single question about his theology or the reasons for preferring a religious moral framework over a secular one.
CVEcal 5 months ago
You can tell that the pastor is a great human being, regardless of theological differences. He uses Christianity as his baseline, but the life lessons he's endured fuels him to try and help others. A real mensch!
YouGotsTheRabies 5 months ago
Matt Damon really is a great character actor. I can't believe he would lose all that weight for this small role though. Emmy!!!
ilikelazers 7 months ago
They just let him talk. These are the kinds of people that they should be burning on the stake, they should be making him sweat
debnadaviebna 7 months ago
@debnadaviebna Dude, you're crazy!
JohnOfPinebrook 2 months ago
nice guy, pretty good at dancing around the question
jiveturkey86 8 months ago
The "original sin" argument is nonsense. If god loved humanity even REMOTELY, he would not hold them accountable for the sins of their ancestors. That's the equivalent of punishing German youth for the crimes of the Nazis, or Russian youth for the crimes of Stalin; unwaranted punishment is not loving!
QuatFax 8 months ago
Ladys and gentleman yes.. he is nice but totaly NOT answered the question
SamuelRust 9 months ago
@SamuelRust i agree with you.... the whole time i was watching this video i was like... he asked how the pastor explains this, not what he does when shit happens...
MzDark 9 months ago
He looks like Matt Damon's nerdy brother.
blarson12 10 months ago
@thetvuser666 Yeah, but that excuse only takes in to account the perspective of the people who survive the hardship. If your death strengthens those around you, whoopee for them. But you're dead. Arbitrarily choosing who dies and who gets "strengthened" isn't the tuff of a benevolent deity but a tyrant. Also, how does heaven get around the free will problem? Obviously they do something to make it such a swell place- is there no free will in heaven? A problem no matter the answer.
rrpostalagain 10 months ago
I swear, debate is useless with any theist; you never debate the existence of the same god twice. It's just like "So, which version with what theology do you believe?" renders the whole thing pretty pointless
BennickGAdeus 1 year ago
@BennickGAdeus Well.. there are more atheists now...
rangergxi 11 months ago
Is God a doughnut? Since he's holey :P
Link0X 1 year ago 4
@singapore7773 Almost 60.
TomsFriendKake 1 year ago
@singapore7773 My mother also cannot wait to die, but then when she gor really sick, she was willing to do anything to get better to stay alive. Strange huh?
TomsFriendKake 1 year ago
This is the first time I've seen this and I thought I watched most of the back episodes of The Atheist Experience. I am extremely disappointed. This wasn't a debate at all, it was this guy's life story. I mean, they have a Christian on for the first time ever and this is how they "debate" him. They should do it again as a real debate.
June73kmm 1 year ago
I found a nice lecture series called "Christianity and the problem of Evil" by Dr. Bruce Little. It's on the cross.tv website. Worth a look!
this is the link: cross.tv/tvshows/1252
shaloop007 1 year ago
This guy just basically said ... "I dunno."
MrMZaccone 1 year ago
What the f*** the hosts keep asking the pastor about how he reconciles the notions of the 3 omni's with evil and then instead of giving an answer he talks about how it doesn't say he''l do that in the bible and then changes the subject to how he's witnessed suffering. That's not an answer.
MichaelDruggan 1 year ago
What was the point of this video. We are all well aware what christians believe, and philanthropy and charity do not help prove that god is "all the omni's" as the pastor put it or even for the existence for god. If they didn't plan on debating him, then don't have him on. Yes he seems nice, reasonable, and level headed, but the basis for his beliefs cannot be backed by anything other than faith.
JSmith1560 1 year ago
Intellectual disgrace
MuLLenTaLitY 1 year ago
this was a great episode!
I didn't buy into what the Pastor was selling, but I had to respect him. Good Man. Good head on his shoulders (mostly..) : P
AxisOfEternity 1 year ago
This has to be Matt Damons, best performance ever.
timmieturner 1 year ago
Holy circular logic, pastor!!!
"His holiness is what fuels love and you have to take it on faith."
Exactly, man. Total. Complete. Bullshit.
Seriously, do these people listen to themselves talk in circles???? Why can't they see it? Why are they so blind to logic, but ONLY in regards to "god"?
If it was anything else, I think most people like this pastor are intelligent people, and would see their folly!!!
I think he's invest his whole life into it, so.....
TheOrcasRule 1 year ago
i can honestly say that this is the one time episode of the show that i liked! great work on here!
gerinja 1 year ago
Saying "God fuels our love" (5:00) discredits the person performing the act. It's dehumanizing to say this, but I guess that's how Christianity manages to keep a lot of its followers - you are guilty, sinful and imperfect and only God can make you better... what a boat load of crap.
simcult 1 year ago
This Pastor has a cool sounding voice :)
Jayjon81 1 year ago
I wish all Christians were like this pastor.
gupsphoo 1 year ago 18
@gupsphoo
Keep wishin
Wordlaw12 1 year ago
@gupsphoo many of them are :)
stephjh2006 1 year ago
@gupsphoo amen
Wened 1 year ago
@gupsphoo I wish there were no Christians.
dutchbb1979 11 months ago
@gupsphoo completely agree. at least he is honest to say 'that's life' or 'it is accepted by faith, not evidence' and 'i dont have all the answers'. tell that to william lane craig.
sirdelrio 10 months ago
@gupsphoo
*I* wish all religious people would decide to give up on their myths and become rationalists.
TheSkunkCat 10 months ago
He seems like a nice enough guy, but more often than not just seems to dance around the topic.
bonk926 1 year ago
@bonk926: They let him get away with too much. He was there for a debate...but he gave answers they totally would have roasted callers on. Jeff should have been on this show. :P
CrypticMantisTX55 1 year ago 16
@CrypticMantisTX55 I agree. They're wrong, the Problem of Evil is more than enough reason not to believe an all loving and all powerful god exist. The preacher said there isn't a scripture saying God(at least he's honest) should stop sufferring but if he's just and cares so much, he should at try. Is a father who watches his children get beaten and raped and can stop it but doesn't a loving father? What is loving about a God would punishes unborn people for actions they had nothing to do with?
HybridD91 1 year ago
@HybridD91 ANswer: Its a trick question!!! nothing in this life matters at all because afterwards we all live forever and ever and ever. this is a pretty typical response. but by far, the most common answer, and impressively the worst, and the answer i'm guessing the pastor used on this show (i havent watched it yet) is we have free will. which seems pretty insufficient as it only adresses like killing or rape or things, not earthquakes etc. AND if i'm raped, thats not MY will.
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qzetu 1 year ago
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@CrypticMantisTX55 Its the first time they had a christians on the show I think the last thing they should do is tear him apart. It would be negative ,and this show has been consistent in showing that they want to be positive Atheist.
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@CrypticMantisTX55 Its the first time they had a christians on the show I think the last thing they want to do is tear him apart. It would be negative ,and this show has been consistent in showing that they want to be positive Atheist.
qzetu 1 year ago
@CrypticMantisTX55 Indeed, I think on the Non Prophets show after this Jeff says he wanted to be on there to rip into him!
shawndimery 1 year ago
@CrypticMantisTX55 Matt would have eaten this guy alive.
MrMZaccone 1 year ago
@CrypticMantisTX55 I actually prefer this to making asses out of the idiot callers they get. This guy is a very moderate Christian who is firm in his beliefs but does not make any extreme assertions and seems to have no problem at all with having an intelligent and heartfelt discussion about what constitutes his entire world-view. There are a lot more people like this Pastor out there, but most don't seem to want to call into the show since they aren't looking for a debate. I enjoyed this ^^
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<----- Click on my name. The video has the answer to the Problem of Evil.
TheDefenceOfTruth 1 year ago
@singapore7773
I'm nothing, I don't belive in God, and I'm pretty sure a God doesn't exist.
Let me simplify my point.
Why do you belive in God?. How do you know a God exists, how do you know the Bible God exists?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
That was a bit of nonsense.
If there is no objective morality, there can't be an objective judge (God).
Therefor, a logical conclusion is that God doesn't exist.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
So, there is no objective morality then?.
That means there is no God.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Not at all, is what I was saying, you just kept validating my point.
We MUST kill... so why is "Thou Shalt NOT kill" a commandment?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Thank the pink unicorn I don't belive in pixies...
We have to kill, is necesary you made it clear.
So how can we preserve the "Thou shalt not kill" as universal then?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
So the ten commandments are bogus?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
The grain actually doesn't die.
If I see someone insulting a tree, I would instantly recomend him psychiatric help.
You cut down trees... how many have you insulted?.
The dirt isn't alive. God made us dependent on killing other sentient beings in order to live.
How can you say then. that killing is wrong?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
I'm not attacking you, I'm attacking your believes.
Again... Jesus insulted trees.
Why do we have to kill in order to live?. Why does the grain have to die?.
Jesus said a lot of nonsense, like for instance:
"And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils (..) They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."
Doesn't happen uh?
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
The caste system is due to hinduism, not buddhism.
Why is death here?. Why is god so evil to create all this mess?.
Why does your God have to result to such base notions, like slavery, death, commanding genocide and rape, even human sacrifice?.
Doesn't sound divine at all.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
I'm not from any religion...
My point was... buddhism completly rejects slavery, Christianity dosen't.
How is that possible?.
So slavery is wrong?... the bible is wrong?... interesting.
In which universe is an insult a wake up call?. The Pharisees, refused to belive the miracle in which Jesus sends possessed pigs down a cliff...
I wouldn't belive it neither, there is nothing divine in sensless death.
How is calling them reptiles, validate Jeuss divinity?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
So... they were vipers?.. they were reptiles?. Uhm sorry, no way around it for you, it IS an insult, calling names. If they were so evil that even your God had to insult them, then why did He created them in the first place?.
Let me try to figure it out... you're saying that there is a GOOD form of SLAVERY?.
In buddha's time, there was something similar to slavery called caste system.
He completly destroyed it.
What's your excuse?.
God is above culture.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
The pharisees didn't murder Jesus, they weren't beliving his petty miracles which is different.
That justifies insults?... Your God has to lower himself to insulting people?. Pathetic.
Slavery in the bible is different?.
LOL... how many slavery types are there?.
There is only one for me... being forced to serve someone against your will. Don't try to cover it up... the bible endorses slavery quite clear, and it's the same slavery everywhere, including the usa.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Matt 23:31-33 "Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers' guilt. Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?"
What's the intent of those insults?, it also goes on rambling how hypocrites they are.
And let me get one thing clear... are you saying the bible DOES NOT condone, instruct and enable the use of slavery?.
Read on the history of Dr. King...
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bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
"jesus had a reason to insult others. he was trying to wake them up."
Sooo mature, let's insutl others because they're simply stupid. I would have literally punched him in the face.
The buddha, never insulted anyone, neither did Socrates and they were trying to WAKE people up... what's your excuse, that allows any form of violence?.
And by Insult I mean, meaningless insults followed with a sentence of eternal damnation:
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
You should read regarding Demon possesion.
Matthew 4:23-24, 9:32-33, 12:22, 17:14-18,
Mark 1:23-26, 32-34, 5:2-16, 9:17-29, 16:9,
Luke 11:14, 4:33-35, 8:2, 27-36, 9:38-42, AC 8:7, 16:16-18
Jesus insulted the Pharisees. Even Socrates, or Buddha when faced with oppostion, would never insult others back.
Jesus endorsed slavery by issuing commands on how slaves should act, and behave so their master will get to go to heaven.
Put simply, he was an ass.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Show me a passage where he commanded the preaching of the gospel. He wasn't even aware that the "gospel" existed...
Mark 9:1:
"And he said to them, "I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God come with power."
He wasn't that peaceful then uh?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
He also said that phsycial and mental illness was caused only because of Demon possesion.
He agreed with slavery.
He insulted entire ethinic groups and condemned them to Hell.
He practically invented the modern vision of Hell.
How can you say he was a nice guy?.
How do you know we have a soul?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Jesus was an end of days preachers, just like the ones you cross in the streets, he was utterlly convinced that in the lifetime of his disciples, the kingship of God will come down to Earth.
Read John 8:51, for the inmortality statement.
The rest, read the Gospels, if you really want references I'll look them up... but if you read the bible, it should be self evident.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
If it was ilegal, why was it allowed to be taught in the streets of Rome?.
Yup, he does a lot of weird stuff... like saying if you belive in him you "literally" won't physically die.
The other points:
Is thunder caused by Zeus?. Is the world Flat?.
Everyone thought so at their time... why is it wrong then?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
When was Christianity ever outlawed in the entire globe?.
The founder Christianity insulted fig trees (Matthew 11:21-21), starbucks founder never did.
Nor did other religion founders.
It is a lame utilitaristic argument which I have rebuked over and over, what MOST of the population belive it's not TRUE.
Otherwise lightning is caused by Zeus. And if you walk long enough, you fall off the Earth.
Why is your argument correct... can you prove God or Jesus even existed?.
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bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773 Are you serious, there are starbucks on every corner to, maybe I should start praying to a cup of coffee...... lame argument man!!!!!!!!!!
mrgetrealpeople 1 year ago
@singapore7773
The Buddha wasn't a God, he was just a man.
He didn't do miracles, he was just a man.
But he WAS more compassionate than Jesus, he helped more people than Jesus, and he actually gave mature answers when faced with doubts and problems.
10 commandments again?. Do you obey the 613 commandments?.
You can't even prove Jesus existed...
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Unless if by impact you mean mass murder, flying into buildings, lying and abusing little children, murdering people with lies about aids, etc.
As to make EVERY headline in the world.
Then yes, buddhism dosen't have that.
You know... bad publicity IS NOT good publicity.
If you read anything about buddhis philosophy, it will bring st. Thomas, and Agustin notions to shambles.
Aha... Jesus demands, that you kill homosexuals, that you murder children, that you own slaves...
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Actually I've read Aquinas, wasen't impressed. You do know he vouched for the death of unbelivers?.
When all humans are dead... how much will 'truth' survive then?.
And wrong beliefs do survive, just as much as right ones, that was my point. The pope think the Earth is flat...
You went to Buddha's hometown?, can you name it?. Can you name the temple in there?.
They don't impact the world enough?... Have you actually read ANYTHING about buddhism?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Actually thanks to thermodynamics, EVERYTHING will wither and die.
And I'm sorry but, truth dosen't last, it depends on the people and how gulible they want to be. A clear example of this is religion.
Buddhism is OLDER than Jesus, Hinduism is ANCIENT. They both have shirnes and temples across the globe.
Let's asume I live in Sri Lanka, everywhere I go, I see a buddhist temple
How can you convince ME, that my religion is false, because YOU have christian temples there?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
That's because Christianity has a lot of followers in the US, go to other religious countries and you won't see the same.
But I ask you again.
Why is the ammount of churches on YOUR area, establish if a religion is true or not?. Do you know how many Mormon Churches and Scientology ones are there?.
They're not hiding their teachings... they simply can't afford, no religion can a church every block.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
You don't have it down the *block*, THAT'S your explanation how Catholicsism is THE true religion. Surely you can see how ilogical that is.
If you're looking for information regarding other religions, you can go to a bookstore or look up books on the internet, sheesh even wikipedia will work sometimes.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
The King didn't founded buddhism, he was simply a buddhist. If you don't find the "church" then you're not looking enough, there are several in Santa Cruz, Ca. Try the one in 5800 Prescott Road.
And there are literally thousands of temples in India, several in Ahmedabad, like the Iskon Temple... but care to explain me the logic besides this asinine arguement you're positing?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Oh I'd also recomend you look up on the history of King Asoka.
The greatest of all kings that inhabited the world according to many historians.
He turned to buddhism, and did REAL good, his works alone bring to shame whatever the Vatican or the Catholic faith may have done for others, specially considering the price they demmand.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
You clearly don't know anything about other religions, you wouldn't have made that statement regarding buddhism paraphrasing the pope otherwise.
Catholicism is UNITY?, tell that to northern Ireland. And Poland.
You know who Colombus was?.
Well the Church forced everyone to THINK the world was flat.
Everyone thought the world was flat then
By your logic (that superior numbers, grant veracity):
The world IS flat.
Is it?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
The Catholic church was NOT violent?!.
How far are you gonna go?, you gonna claim that the genocide never happend now, and 9/11 is an alien conspiracy?.
You know what the INQUISITION is?. The Catholic church, was THE source of utmost violence in the middle ages.
With hundreds of corrupt popes.
What happend to the templar order, in Paris is just a tiny example of the practices they did.
Get off your cloud, seariously... the Church has an EVIL past, and present.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
ROFL... mother teresa starting 400 hospitals.... LOL.
Sorry, but it REALLY was funny.
She didn't... get your facts right, she started 400 CONVENTS, to train nuns (to spread her pleasure, from other people's suffering. She hated doctors and killed thousands of people by refusing to give them medical treatment.
It's just lies, and propaganda, she accepted money from the worse genocidal regime in Haiti, and condoned it.
Just look up her real story.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
I'd recomend you read up on other religions, instead of automatically asuming *yours* is the correct one. Saying nothingness=me, is profoundly mistaken from a buddhist standpoint.
"no catholic is not violent. where did u get that from....sheeesh."
History... sheesh, ever read a book about the middle ages?.
Again with the utilitaristic fallacy:
All religions combined outnumber Christianity, greatly.
Is the world flat?. Most people thought so. Why isn't it then?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
"buddism = nothingness"
Yes nothingness is a very profound philosophical concept in buddhism.
Our Universe, came from nothing.
Nothing, literally nothing composes 90% of your weight.
Nothing is essential to physics and how our universe works.
There is soo much to nothing, you wouldn't belive me.
And trust me, there are millions in all those countries. Millions of muslims and hiduists as well.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Buddha was from Kapilavatsu, and there are millions... of followers in America?! Oh no!.
Btw, Jesus was from Nazareth.
All those countries and more, know buddhism. Sheez, I'm from south america and I'm talking to you now... it's called globalization.
"about me".. sorry mate, you know nothing of eastern religions. It's about EVERYONE, and the erradication of "me".
How do YOU fit in, God, Jesus and Holy Spirit?. Your name isn't there is it?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
"it goes outside itself. eastern religions dont"
I'm not sure what you mean by that... could you elucidate a bit more?.
Your other arguement is that Catholicism is violent?!?
That Catholic church was victim of violence?.
So was every other major religion in the plante. The Christian religions, were the least victimized amongst them all.
How's that an arguement that Catholicism is the RIGHT religion?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
"the catholic bishop of shanghai. imprisioned for 30yrs. for being catholic."
Exactly my point. It's against the law to be Catholic in so many countries.
So they ask again: "Where is your religion?, aha! in Jail... why would I belive in it then, if God dosen't help them, my religion is thriving in temples and pagodas".
It was your own originial point. They could very well make the exact same statement.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
"it last. these religions u speak of... where r they? i dont c them in my town."
If you go to eastern countries you will have the opposit scenario.
They'll say, where is your religion?, I don't see it on my town.
And they're more in number than yours.
So.. how do you know THEIRS is false and yours are true?.
Those "truths" are simple common sense. And the excuses to name them "sins" are completley different.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
"sex is way more than that in the catholic church. and it will always be more."
Glad that our ancestors didn't mind what the church said, otherwise we woulden't be here.
Are you aware that if you trace your geneaology up to 4 generations (grandparents), there's over a 120% chance that it was an "affair" and not a marriage, that gave birth to a child?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Addictive self destructive behaviours do not need to be flagged as "sin" in order for us to understand, it's detrimental for both our mental and physical health. Sex for instance, wether in marriage or in a simply healthy monogamous relationship is healthy.
This austerity from "worldy pleasures" existed on religions across the glob centruies before Christyanity or Judaism.
It dosen't prove the Catholic church is right, any more than it validates Hinduism.
Is Hinduism true?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Does the fact that everyone on the world broke my rule, lends any validity to the divine origin of the rule?. No.
You must prove that the rule was derived from divine mandate, which of course you haven't, no one ever has.
"we want pleasure now even if it hurts us in the long run. which is sin"
That's stupid, I apologize for the language but it is.
I derive pleasure from doing things I enjoy, healthy ones too.
Since when reading an enjoyable physics book is a sin?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
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@singapore7773
Does that lend any validity to the rule I just created?. No.
You must provide evidence that it was a commandment from God, wheres you have none.
"we want pleasure now even if it hurts us in the long run. which is sin"
That's stupid, sorry for the language but it is.
I don't wan't pleasure at all, I derive pleasure from doing things I enjoy, which is different.
Since when feeling pleasure when reading a book about physics is a sin?.
Since when being happy is a sin?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Two points:
1) You ignored the intrinsincate fallacy within the Genesis story. So until you adress that point I raised, you don't get to use Genesis to back up other arguments.
2) You haven't adressed any of my points regarding the cultural diversity and the 10 commandments, that prove St. Agustine (one of the founders of the inquisition), was utterlly wrong.
If I make an imaginary rule that anyone who says the word "God" will be punished forever...
Everyone broke my rule.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
You claimed that the 10 commandments are embedded within humans, since birth.
How would you account for people who:
a) Don't belive in God, violating the first 4.
b) Other religions with different deities, violating again the first 4.
c)Societies, that violate the remmaining ones?
We are not born with the concept of God, specially not the Christian God hardwired in our brain. This is one of the reasons I don't belive in Him.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
About Genesis or about the "we're born with the 10 commandments" statement?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
I don't belive in a God, I'm a living proof of the stupidity of that statement.
"Thou shall have no other God besides me".
That's why Christianity is the ONLY religion in the world?.
Because everyone KNOWS that by heart?. Everyone KNOWS Yaweh exists?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Why didn't God made Eve hate fruits?, Why didn't he made her depend on other sources for nourishmente, like.. rocks?.
God KNEW Eve was gonna eat the fruit. He's omniscient.
Besides, you haven't answered me.
How is it WRONG to defy God, if you don't know what right from wrong is?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
How is it bad to disobey God, if they don't know what bad is?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Adam didn't knew good from evil either. Besides de point spiffythealien made, about the omniscience fallacy.
How could God punish Adam and Eve for something they DID NOT know it was BAD?.
He's that much of an ass?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773 So Eve created the apple and ate it? I didn't know that. I'm sure God did though, since he's all knowing and all. And we can't do anything to deceive him... or trick him... or surprise him... since he knows the future...
Whoops. God Fail.
Thanks for playing!
spiffythealien 1 year ago
@singapore7773
How did Eve do a "bad" thing by eating the apple?. She didn't knew good from bad UNTIL she ate the apple.
It's like blaming a child for activating a nuclear missile, the fault lies not on the child but on the irresponsible parents.
Are you saying God is irresponsible and can't admit his own mistakes?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
"interpretation of" Is not an interpretation, it's a direct commandment.
Promiscuos behaviour with proper lubrication that dosen't lead to the break of tissue and cells, has very low chances of transfering HIV from the host.
On the other hand, rape has very high chances.
And if you use condoms on both cases, the chances are virtually 0.
AND, they DO listen to the pope. They're very religious, and that's the only educationt hey have.
Calling you sane, won't make me one.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
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"i think we designed the virus. by eating the apple we were told not to eat."
How did Eve do a "bad" thing by eating the apple?. She didn't knew what good or bad was UNTIL she ate it.
Would you punish a child for pressing the launch button on a nuclear missile?. No the fault lies with the autorities (God) that led the child into that situtation.
Are you saying God is irresponsible and can't admit his own mistakes?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
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@singapore7773
"i think we designed the virus. by eating the apple we were told not to eat."
Why was eating the apple a bad thing?.
Eve didn't knew good from bad UNTIL she ate the apple, she didn't do anything *bad*.
So why was she punished?.
It's like punishing a child for pressing the launch button on a nuclear missile.
The responsability lies with the parent, not the child.
So God is irresponsible?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
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@singapore7773
"i think we designed the virus. by eating the apple we were told not to eat."
Why was eating the apple a bad thing?.
Eve didn't knew good from bad UNTIL she ate the apple, she didn't do anything *bad*.
So why was she punished?.
It's like punishing a child for pressing the launch button on a nuclear missile.
The responsability lies with the parent, not the child.
So God is irresponsible?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
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@singapore7773
"i think we designed the virus. by eating the apple we were told not to eat."
Why was eating the apple a bad thing?.
Eve didn't knew good from bad UNTIL she ate the apple, she didn't do anything *bad*.
So why was she punished?.
It's like punishing a child for pressing the launch button on a nuclear missile.
The responsability lies with the parent, not the child.
So God is irresponsible?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
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@singapore7773
"i think we designed the virus. by eating the apple we were told not to eat."
Why was eating the apple a bad thing?.
Eve didn't knew good from bad UNTIL she ate the apple, she didn't do anything *bad*.
So why was she punished?.
It's like punishing a child for pressing the launch button on a nuclear missile.
The responsability lies with the parent, not the child.
So God is irresponsible?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
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@singapore7773
"i think we designed the virus. by eating the apple we were told not to eat."
Why was eating the apple a bad thing?.
Eve didn't knew good from bad UNTIL she ate the apple, she didn't do anything *bad*.
So why was she punished?.
It's like punishing a child for pressing the launch button on a nuclear missile.
The responsability lies with the parent, not the child.
So God is irresponsible?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
"i think he said that helps spread aids."
There you go, that shows the scope of both the Pope and your insanity. Condoms do not help the spread of aids, nor does promiscious behaviour.
If 2/3 of the women get raped by HIV carriers... that helps the spread of aids.
About the deposit of faith, or whatever that is:
Yes or No:
Do you belive a rape victim should be forced to marry her rapist?.
They're forced by biblical law.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
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@singapore7773
"i think he said that helps spread aids."
There you have the scope of his ignorance. Condoms do help the spread of aids. Your backward mentality does not.
But fine, if you want "deposit of fait" (or church commandments)
YES or NO:
Do you belive a rape victim should be forced to marry her rapist?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
I'm not biased as you make me sound.
Le'ts do it simple, since you have a knack for blowing things out of proportion:
YES OR NO?:
Does the pope or not instruct people that if you use condoms you get aids?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
I don't give a damn, what the church law is.
The fact remains, Catholic church is the only source of education on these countries (because of a political move on their part). They intentionally tell thousands of people with aids (even in marrige), that condoms cause aids.
Killing thousands upon thousands.
It's not marriage that prevents aids, it's not getting raped, not being born with it, etc.
And that's the same Man, that said the Earth was a disc... talking about retards.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Why did napoleon wanted to stop the Chruch?, ever thought of that?, ever thought of the spanish inquisition that he set on to stop?.
Hinduism, buddhism daosim, and countless other religious institutions lasted LONGER than the church.
Are you done with arguments from authority (logical fallacies), scientology is popular, does that mean scientology is true?. Socialism, is popular does the same apply?.
Are you gonna prove God exists or keep ranting?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
So this bloke's answer to the theodicy question was, " I don't know."
Fair enough. But we know - it's because there are no no gods. Next question.
purbrookian 1 year ago
"the bible says it rains on just and unjust" so what , does that matter what the bible says.. does not change the idea why would all loving GOD create a system like that then?
gskowal 1 year ago
@singapore7773
It's called cultural propagation by force in the middle ages. And then you ask why catholicism is so popular...
It's like asking, why does a virus spread so rapidly...
Anyways, do you have any decent arguments at all or you're just gonna keep on ranting how much good catholiscism does?.
Why don't you ask the africans who constantly die (millions of them) over aids, because the Chruch prohibits and misinforms about condoms, and how using these give aids?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Uh?... I read blah, blah, blah, Ad Hominem, blah blah blah.
You want me to compare myself to an institution that has been coning people for money for over 1600 years?.
Secular colleges are better in both numbers and education.
Yes I agree it's sad the catholic church has been around for so long, but you know that's what you get when anyone that questions you get's burned alive.
What does the basilica has to do with anything?.
Are you suffering somesort of epileptic fit?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Yes I agree, it's sad I'm right.
It's sad you belive nonsense.
It's sad God is the most evil fictional character in history.
Like Voltaire said:
"Those who can make you belive absurdities, can make you commit attrocities."
No one is a saint.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
I dug it up for another debate I'm having, here it is:
Jesus' words:
Matthew 5:17-18:
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."
Hope you go killing all those pesky children and homosexuals now.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Your boss, never said anything about the 10 commandments. He upheld all of Jewish law, including of course the 613 commandments.
You have no evidence for your "boss", much less for him "rising from the dead".
Show me which passage he mentioned we should follow specifically the 10 commandments?. On which one he mentioned we should discard the old law (but not the 10 commandments)?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
What you just stoped reading at the 10 commandments? (how convenient). Turn the page over there are 613 more.
Read Exodus 21:15 and on.
Gives 3 or 4 commandments about killing children, then its reapeated on other books.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
The ones that specify how to kill unruly children, how and which slaves you can own, what's deemed "unclean" that requires an animal sacrifice to atone for.
To stone homosexuals, people working on the "sabbath", etc.
I could go on, but the point is.
YOU chose what to belive, how to behave. Don't claim it's the bible or that if you never read (or reject) the 10 commandments, you're a genocidal mass murdering/raping ass.
That's ignorance.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Denmark, Sweden, Netherlands, Finland and those other countries that have over 80% atheist population, that are as surveys suggest... the Happiest places of the world?. Sure would suck to be them.
Give me just one "atheist" country, of those you mentioned. Just one whose population is 80% atheist or higher.
Have you read the 10 commandments? The first 4 are usless. The others are common sense. Shame you didn't read the 603 ones that came just after.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
"it is the other side who says we are equal to monkeys and then acts like it."
It's not any side that tells us we're "equals" to monkies, we're simply advanced apes. We share a common ancestor. And that "side" is the same one that makes your vaccines against diseases and enabled us to live past the age of 20. It's called biology.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Do you really belive too much skeptical inquiry is afoul at north korea?. All those countries, including the socialistic/marxistic regimes have nothing to do with atheism. They're religions of their own. For crying out loud people are "forced" to worship their leader in North Korea.
If you want to look at atheists countries where religion dosen't pollute almost nothing, look at Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Netherlands, etc.
Look at the definition of atheism.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
But the main question is, do you trully belive that without somesort of God or divine authority, we would commit the most heinous of crimes such as murder, rape, torture etc.?
Do you think so little of humans?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Well in the larger context, the most naive and sorry for the word "stupid" of the brothers, uses that phrase to try to instill some fear into a servant. But it backfires, giving him hallucinations about the devil.
It's something to ponder about eh?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Are you aware the guy who said that was the most stupid character in Brothers Karamazov?. It was ment as a satire, and yet you repeat his words as if they had some wisdom.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
We know rain falls on good and bad that is one of the best reasons not believe in a moral God. So far as all religions are concerned, human beings deserve whatever happens to them, since we cannot blame God, since he is all good.
47saeed 1 year ago
This is boring. The pastors analogies are poor. Computer virus of sin?!?!
AdamWho 1 year ago
These "atheists" are fools and make a mockery! Hilarious BS come from their mouths!
mondocaneman 1 year ago
If you are going to have a "debate" you really ought to find someone represents the brightest the opposition has to offer. With all due respect to Pastor Miller, he isn't it.
GeneralDelta 1 year ago
So god made a computer, designed a virus, infected his computer, and cannot tolerate this virus. He's not all-good though, he's "holy", which doesn't mean "all good." However it's funny that murder, lying, thievery, rape, hatred, anger and all the like are labeled as "unholy", as in "not like god." So if god is not unholy and thus does not contain all these attributes... then he's all-good. But we know he's not because he IS a murderer and he DOES hate people...
god fail.
spiffythealien 1 year ago 2
Can't say that the pastor really answered any question, but he was one of the most non bullshit Christian I've seen.
finalcloud13 1 year ago 3
wishy-washy mush... This if anything illustrates how any conversation about absurdity, tends to be absurd itself. Perhaps a Rabbi would have been a better choice since they fear the Elohim like a strict loving parent prone to fits of murderous rage.
TigerLeahu 1 year ago
Wish Matt would have been there:)
bekka1969 1 year ago
@bekka1969 yeah, me too, I mean they went so freaking easy on him,..Matt or Tracy would've been way better
Atheist603 1 year ago
Executive pastor? WTF!! Religion really has become commercial these days. No wait! All the church ever wanted was your money...
huntmatuk 1 year ago
This theist talks a lot but he doesn't seem to have any explanation for gratuitous suffering other than "stuff happens, I don't know why".
Phage0070 1 year ago
They should`ve cracked him more...
GabbeTek 1 year ago
Jesus=God right? Why would he need training?...just curious.
Ecite 1 year ago
@Ecite some say Jesus is and some say he was just God's son. Depends which fan club you ask.
anzwertree 1 year ago
@anzwertree LOL!
Ecite 1 year ago
Baptists would never have an Atheist preach to their congregation.
tallsmile28 1 year ago
Wow yes, only now I see they have an Africa centered logo, nice!
Guess I didn't spot it since I'm from Europe.
jolarti 1 year ago
Put sunglasses on the pastor and you got Agent Smith from the Matrix. Especially when he says "computer virus"
Matt Dillahunty put it best. The concept of Christianity is like saying God threw us all in a pool of water and waved a lifesaver in front of us and said "ok who doesn't want to drown?"
RockBanned 1 year ago
Thats not god. It is an equally irrational chemically induced state.
TrooFaX
Although I never have crushed up, washed down or otherwise rinsed out then powdered any bark nor have I researched any chemicals given the choice DMT or religion DMT hands down.
Downfurlife 2 years ago
My name is downfurlife. Gimme a break. This is my WoW toons name. Its not even my main at that. Hopefully that tells you a lot about me. :) With that in mind my comments are not intended to be internet tough guy words. Rather what I believe is a necessary shift in mind set for many non-theists who desire to crush or otherwise end theism. If you do not care about mine, I will still stick up for yours as my time permits. As for mine well, religion can keep its hands off her throat.
Downfurlife 2 years ago
OMG this is one of those people who molest little boys...... I have been watching this video for about 3 minutes now and have YET to see the christian take his eyes off of the host. I mean he is like STARING!! If that were me I would be freakin out. Like DUDE STOP STARING AT ME
upplsuckimcool16 2 years ago
i dont know why they titled this as a "debate". its not really. its just a discusdion
executionerofgod 2 years ago
you could have a dead plant on your show.. the same thing as a christian
XceptionalXistence 2 years ago
Why would you let a dumb piece of shit like this on your show and not call him a dumb shit. The problem with atheists is the vast majority are pussies. Fuck this guy and any non-theist who wants to give this prick an equal platform. Have a nice day :)
Downfurlife 2 years ago 2
@Downfurlife fuck you great you have nuts to talk shit about theists on youtube this is an educational program whos gonna listen if we show them the true nature of thier false logic
PIKLEWEAZL95 1 year ago
My god talk about yapping and yapping and saying nothing.......
gwaelin 2 years ago
@DawahFilms - I'd love to see the statistics that show which people converted to religion when (i.e. before or after they entered prison) and where that study cites exactly their reasons for converting (e.g. "for reform purposes"). The Federal Bureau of Prisons survey of 93,112 inmates showed about 20% who did not answer OR stated "no preference," which can't be interpreted any other way than "none of your business." 83.76% were Christian. Over 99.7% were "non-atheist."
artgoat 2 years ago
"Evil" as such doesn't exist. Natural disasters are not evil. They just are. Humans have free will and can therefore commit crimes against each other but that isn't "evil" per se.
1noen1 2 years ago
hell to the yeah bro....it was a weak sauce debate. Not even a debate really
avilesnba 2 years ago
I can't believe Matt didn't show up for this.
youtuubematters 2 years ago 2
I think it would have been much like Genghis Khan vs care bears had Matt shown up. I mean this was a one sided debate as it was. The pastor did not address directly how he reconciles the problem of evil. He simply stated what he believed about it and pretty much ignored that there is a problem with it altogether. Matt might have destroyed him altogether along with any hopes of a future generation with his insight on church doctrine.
x1tekja 2 years ago