Nice pastor, but this really didn't address the "problem of evil" very much; maybe in the longer video? The pastor didn't answer a single question about his theology or the reasons for preferring a religious moral framework over a secular one.
You can tell that the pastor is a great human being, regardless of theological differences. He uses Christianity as his baseline, but the life lessons he's endured fuels him to try and help others. A real mensch!
The "original sin" argument is nonsense. If god loved humanity even REMOTELY, he would not hold them accountable for the sins of their ancestors. That's the equivalent of punishing German youth for the crimes of the Nazis, or Russian youth for the crimes of Stalin; unwaranted punishment is not loving!
@SamuelRust i agree with you.... the whole time i was watching this video i was like... he asked how the pastor explains this, not what he does when shit happens...
@thetvuser666 Yeah, but that excuse only takes in to account the perspective of the people who survive the hardship. If your death strengthens those around you, whoopee for them. But you're dead. Arbitrarily choosing who dies and who gets "strengthened" isn't the tuff of a benevolent deity but a tyrant. Also, how does heaven get around the free will problem? Obviously they do something to make it such a swell place- is there no free will in heaven? A problem no matter the answer.
I swear, debate is useless with any theist; you never debate the existence of the same god twice. It's just like "So, which version with what theology do you believe?" renders the whole thing pretty pointless
This is the first time I've seen this and I thought I watched most of the back episodes of The Atheist Experience. I am extremely disappointed. This wasn't a debate at all, it was this guy's life story. I mean, they have a Christian on for the first time ever and this is how they "debate" him. They should do it again as a real debate.
What the f*** the hosts keep asking the pastor about how he reconciles the notions of the 3 omni's with evil and then instead of giving an answer he talks about how it doesn't say he''l do that in the bible and then changes the subject to how he's witnessed suffering. That's not an answer.
What was the point of this video. We are all well aware what christians believe, and philanthropy and charity do not help prove that god is "all the omni's" as the pastor put it or even for the existence for god. If they didn't plan on debating him, then don't have him on. Yes he seems nice, reasonable, and level headed, but the basis for his beliefs cannot be backed by anything other than faith.
"His holiness is what fuels love and you have to take it on faith."
Exactly, man. Total. Complete. Bullshit.
Seriously, do these people listen to themselves talk in circles???? Why can't they see it? Why are they so blind to logic, but ONLY in regards to "god"?
If it was anything else, I think most people like this pastor are intelligent people, and would see their folly!!!
I think he's invest his whole life into it, so.....
Saying "God fuels our love" (5:00) discredits the person performing the act. It's dehumanizing to say this, but I guess that's how Christianity manages to keep a lot of its followers - you are guilty, sinful and imperfect and only God can make you better... what a boat load of crap.
@gupsphoo completely agree. at least he is honest to say 'that's life' or 'it is accepted by faith, not evidence' and 'i dont have all the answers'. tell that to william lane craig.
@bonk926: They let him get away with too much. He was there for a debate...but he gave answers they totally would have roasted callers on. Jeff should have been on this show. :P
@CrypticMantisTX55 I agree. They're wrong, the Problem of Evil is more than enough reason not to believe an all loving and all powerful god exist. The preacher said there isn't a scripture saying God(at least he's honest) should stop sufferring but if he's just and cares so much, he should at try. Is a father who watches his children get beaten and raped and can stop it but doesn't a loving father? What is loving about a God would punishes unborn people for actions they had nothing to do with?
@HybridD91 ANswer: Its a trick question!!! nothing in this life matters at all because afterwards we all live forever and ever and ever. this is a pretty typical response. but by far, the most common answer, and impressively the worst, and the answer i'm guessing the pastor used on this show (i havent watched it yet) is we have free will. which seems pretty insufficient as it only adresses like killing or rape or things, not earthquakes etc. AND if i'm raped, thats not MY will.
@CrypticMantisTX55 Its the first time they had a christians on the show I think the last thing they should do is tear him apart. It would be negative ,and this show has been consistent in showing that they want to be positive Atheist.
@CrypticMantisTX55 Its the first time they had a christians on the show I think the last thing they want to do is tear him apart. It would be negative ,and this show has been consistent in showing that they want to be positive Atheist.
@CrypticMantisTX55 I completely agree. He seems like a nice guy but im sorry if someone wishes to have a relationship with a god that would condemn unbelievers, or believers of other religions, has a problem. The christian god, no matter how you try to rationalize it, is wicked.
@CrypticMantisTX55 I actually prefer this to making asses out of the idiot callers they get. This guy is a very moderate Christian who is firm in his beliefs but does not make any extreme assertions and seems to have no problem at all with having an intelligent and heartfelt discussion about what constitutes his entire world-view. There are a lot more people like this Pastor out there, but most don't seem to want to call into the show since they aren't looking for a debate. I enjoyed this ^^
NO that is not part of the deposit of faith. i do not as a catholic have to follow anything the pope says, unless it is part of the deposit of faith. if u can show me where that is part of the deposit of faith. im all ears. i think i heard the pope once say that the mentallity of condoms. in other words the modern idea of just do whatever u want. i think he said that helps spread aids.
@bluesrockfan36 they mite be forced by biblical law or your interpretation of . but catholics dont go by that we go by the one true church. the deposit of faith or as u call it. whatever that is.!!!!!!!!!!
promiscuous behavior doesnt spread aids? wow. cool i can go do whatever the hell i want... i think u just proved the popes words. if millions of rapist are runnin loose do u thinnk for a second they are listening to the pope? u dream.
"interpretation of" Is not an interpretation, it's a direct commandment.
Promiscuos behaviour with proper lubrication that dosen't lead to the break of tissue and cells, has very low chances of transfering HIV from the host.
On the other hand, rape has very high chances.
And if you use condoms on both cases, the chances are virtually 0.
AND, they DO listen to the pope. They're very religious, and that's the only educationt hey have.
@bluesrockfan36 eve is not the guilty party. ADAM is. God told adam not to eat of the tree. and he ate it anyways. this is not part of the deposit of faith. this is a story we use to show that something went wrong with our first parents. be careful when and how u get hung up on christianity. i see people all the time say christianity is false for reasons that don count... even my own bio brothers and sisters.
@bluesrockfan36 i didnt st. augustine did. he is a doctor of the church. he is one of the highest ranking catholics in 2000yrs. how would i account for people breaking the 10 commandments? the same reason i do. we have free will. and we have....
concupiscence. which is the downward pull from adam and eves original sin. we want pleasure now even if it hurts us in the long run. which is sin
1) You ignored the intrinsincate fallacy within the Genesis story. So until you adress that point I raised, you don't get to use Genesis to back up other arguments.
2) You haven't adressed any of my points regarding the cultural diversity and the 10 commandments, that prove St. Agustine (one of the founders of the inquisition), was utterlly wrong.
If I make an imaginary rule that anyone who says the word "God" will be punished forever...
@bluesrockfan36 the language dont bother me. u r right i am wrong. enjoying proper pleasures is not sin. of course i meant like sex outside of marriage, getting drunk and cheating on wife or taxes.... this is not the forum for proving what u ask in my opinion. it is much more of a complex question than this forum lends itself to. lets just say i think the church has "proved" it. i think Jesus porved it. i think the history and the teaching of the church proves it. i think the lives of the saints
Addictive self destructive behaviours do not need to be flagged as "sin" in order for us to understand, it's detrimental for both our mental and physical health. Sex for instance, wether in marriage or in a simply healthy monogamous relationship is healthy.
This austerity from "worldy pleasures" existed on religions across the glob centruies before Christyanity or Judaism.
It dosen't prove the Catholic church is right, any more than it validates Hinduism.
@bluesrockfan36 they mite not need to b flagged as sin to u. but they do to the church.
sex is way more than that in the catholic church. and it will always be more.
"this austerity from worldly pleasures existed in religions across the globe cent. before christian. or judism... ok so... where in my town can i go to one of their churches? one of the main characteristics of truth is it never changes. it last. these religions u speak of... where r they? i dont c them in my town.
"sex is way more than that in the catholic church. and it will always be more."
Glad that our ancestors didn't mind what the church said, otherwise we woulden't be here.
Are you aware that if you trace your geneaology up to 4 generations (grandparents), there's over a 120% chance that it was an "affair" and not a marriage, that gave birth to a child?.
the catholic bishop of shanghai. imprisioned for 30yrs. for being catholic.
cardinal ignatius kung
same in vietnam. the president of s. korea converted to catholicism. there are millions of catholics in india and philippines. its almost against the law to b catholic in russia. the bishop of turkey murderered by jihadist. it is against the law to b catholic in saudi.
"the catholic bishop of shanghai. imprisioned for 30yrs. for being catholic."
Exactly my point. It's against the law to be Catholic in so many countries.
So they ask again: "Where is your religion?, aha! in Jail... why would I belive in it then, if God dosen't help them, my religion is thriving in temples and pagodas".
It was your own originial point. They could very well make the exact same statement.
@bluesrockfan36 the difference between catholic and the eastern religions is huge. catholicism takes on the world. it goes outside itself. eastern religions dont
catholicism took on islam in 1571 and was predicted to loss. the pope won. protestants sacked rome in 1527. we are still here. not to mention tons of other examples. or differences
jesus was from bethlehem. and there are millions of his followers in china?
korea? india? brazil? chile? these places are no where near bethlehem .... i personally dont see eastern religions doing this.. y.... because they dont think the same. christianity is not about me... its about us.. eastern religion is about me.. remember when the pope went to sri lanka recently he got in trouble for saying something about buddism = nothingness!!!
@bluesrockfan36 eastern religion is about me. jesus is about us.(trinity) i dont see millions of white buddist in utah. or nebraska. or germany. or aussie. i do see millions of christians in. china.oppressed. korea. brazil. chile. philippines. india. ireland. africa. canada. jesus wasnt from any where near these places. outside itself
remember when the pope went to sri lanka he got in trouble for saying buddist highest = nothingness= me..... big difference.
I'd recomend you read up on other religions, instead of automatically asuming *yours* is the correct one. Saying nothingness=me, is profoundly mistaken from a buddhist standpoint.
"no catholic is not violent. where did u get that from....sheeesh."
History... sheesh, ever read a book about the middle ages?.
Again with the utilitaristic fallacy:
All religions combined outnumber Christianity, greatly.
Is the world flat?. Most people thought so. Why isn't it then?.
@bluesrockfan36 who said i automatically assume.... i have read. i dont see no buddhist mother teresa starting 400 hospitals by herself. . the catholic church was not violent in the middle ages compared to everyone around her. she just out lasted them all. and now she is hated for it. all religions combined have no unity. catholicism is unity. unity is everything. i dont think most people thought the world was flat? reference.? even if they did so? they didnt know germs existed either? so
She didn't... get your facts right, she started 400 CONVENTS, to train nuns (to spread her pleasure, from other people's suffering. She hated doctors and killed thousands of people by refusing to give them medical treatment.
It's just lies, and propaganda, she accepted money from the worse genocidal regime in Haiti, and condoned it.
Oh I'd also recomend you look up on the history of King Asoka.
The greatest of all kings that inhabited the world according to many historians.
He turned to buddhism, and did REAL good, his works alone bring to shame whatever the Vatican or the Catholic faith may have done for others, specially considering the price they demmand.
@bluesrockfan36 again u miss my point.... exactly where do i go to his church here in santa cruz ca. ? address please.
u can go to catholic church the world over. i went to catholic church in ahmedabad india recently!!!! where is the good kings church in ahmedabad india? i didnt see it. can u help me find it?
The King didn't founded buddhism, he was simply a buddhist. If you don't find the "church" then you're not looking enough, there are several in Santa Cruz, Ca. Try the one in 5800 Prescott Road.
And there are literally thousands of temples in India, several in Ahmedabad, like the Iskon Temple... but care to explain me the logic besides this asinine arguement you're positing?.
@bluesrockfan36 again u miss my point.... exactly where do i go to his church here in santa cruz ca. ? address please.
u can go to catholic church the world over. i went to catholic church in ahmedabad india recently!!!! where is the good kings church in ahmedabad india? i didnt see it. can u help me find it? i dont have to look up catholic stuff. i just walk down the block.
You don't have it down the *block*, THAT'S your explanation how Catholicsism is THE true religion. Surely you can see how ilogical that is.
If you're looking for information regarding other religions, you can go to a bookstore or look up books on the internet, sheesh even wikipedia will work sometimes.
@bluesrockfan36 u and me are talking past each other. obviously...
i can walk down the block to my catholic church....
y cant i walk down the block to a buddhist church or whatever?
y cant i walk down the block to a king asoka church or whatever?
i dont see anything illogical about that. if its true it should b available . truth is good it is not hidden its out in the open. for your information. catholics believe when we go to church...... heaven comes to earth....
That's because Christianity has a lot of followers in the US, go to other religious countries and you won't see the same.
But I ask you again.
Why is the ammount of churches on YOUR area, establish if a religion is true or not?. Do you know how many Mormon Churches and Scientology ones are there?.
They're not hiding their teachings... they simply can't afford, no religion can a church every block.
@bluesrockfan36 u ask y does it matter how many churches in my area.? simple.
truth last... error falls apart and doesnt last... a tooth that is healthy last your whole life.... a tooth with a cavity will get worse and die. in fact my grandmother died from a tooth infection at 33. if this king asoka was truth. he would have churches or whatever around my block. like jesus does. jesus is truth
@bluesrockfan36 um yes i think there are churches in sri lanka. in fact the catholic bishop from sri lanka came to my church to ask for money. truth doesnt last? u r kidding right? so if 2+2= 4 now and that is true and u say it wont last.? what is it going to b 1000yrs from now? 5? yes my friend truth lasts. u c the catholic church is not some little thing.. it studies everything. i dont think u have any idea. like i said if u read AQUINAS. your head would spin.
@bluesrockfan36 buddhism is older than jesus.? ok. i went to buddhas home town to tell the truth..... but the thing is .. they dont impact the world. like christianity does. they mite have temples around the world but they dont impact the world... truth impacts the world.. the reason jesus is different than buddha is jesus is demanding. the 10 commandments. and jesus said i am god.. which buddha never did. truth is different than buddha. jesus is truth
@singapore7773 Are you serious, there are starbucks on every corner to, maybe I should start praying to a cup of coffee...... lame argument man!!!!!!!!!!
Jesus was an end of days preachers, just like the ones you cross in the streets, he was utterlly convinced that in the lifetime of his disciples, the kingship of God will come down to Earth.
@bluesrockfan36 with all due respect u r sorely mistaken... JESUS told his apostles to go preach the gospel to the whole world!!!! doesnt sound like end of days to me. i know where u r coming from. jesus said a lot of mystical stuff. and it has been widely and wrongly interpreted. even catholics go crazy from time to time. but we have the pope to bring us back. st. francis of assisi is synonomous with peace and love. yet still his brothers started killing soon after died..!!!!!
"jesus had a reason to insult others. he was trying to wake them up."
Sooo mature, let's insutl others because they're simply stupid. I would have literally punched him in the face.
The buddha, never insulted anyone, neither did Socrates and they were trying to WAKE people up... what's your excuse, that allows any form of violence?.
And by Insult I mean, meaningless insults followed with a sentence of eternal damnation:
Matt 23:31-33 "Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers' guilt. Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?"
What's the intent of those insults?, it also goes on rambling how hypocrites they are.
And let me get one thing clear... are you saying the bible DOES NOT condone, instruct and enable the use of slavery?.
@bluesrockfan36 slavery in the bible is way different than slavery in the usa. that is what i am saying. u dont make that distinction...
what was the intent of those insults. i thought he was clear. God sent them wonderful people to help them... what did they do to show thanks? they murdered them.!!!! and furthermore Jesus is a prophet that they are scheming to murder so he is telling them that i know what u r thinking. jesus is throwing down a challenge. yes they are hypocrites
The pharisees didn't murder Jesus, they weren't beliving his petty miracles which is different.
That justifies insults?... Your God has to lower himself to insulting people?. Pathetic.
Slavery in the bible is different?.
LOL... how many slavery types are there?.
There is only one for me... being forced to serve someone against your will. Don't try to cover it up... the bible endorses slavery quite clear, and it's the same slavery everywhere, including the usa.
So... they were vipers?.. they were reptiles?. Uhm sorry, no way around it for you, it IS an insult, calling names. If they were so evil that even your God had to insult them, then why did He created them in the first place?.
Let me try to figure it out... you're saying that there is a GOOD form of SLAVERY?.
In buddha's time, there was something similar to slavery called caste system.
@bluesrockfan36 buddhism may reject slavery but the caste system is alive and well.
u r all hung up on slavery. i really dont know how to help u with that. is the world perfect. no. is there slavery in the bible yes. is there murder in the bible yes. did jesus have relatives who were prostitutes yes. so what is your point.?
life is messy. and jesus is not going to run from the mess. so?
@bluesrockfan36 one guy in here is attacking me from the exact different angle as you are. i love it. catholics are guilty from by both sides. soo funny. you cant make stuff like this up!!!!!!
I'm not attacking you, I'm attacking your believes.
Again... Jesus insulted trees.
Why do we have to kill in order to live?. Why does the grain have to die?.
Jesus said a lot of nonsense, like for instance:
"And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils (..) They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."
a protestant phd. was going to convert to catholicism. he had lunch with a priest and told him his story. he told the priest. "if i think catholicism is true is it ok for me to not join?" the priest said..... what do u think?
u say .... so there is no objective morality then?
why do we have to step on dirt? isnt that according to your logic an insult to dirt?
thats the neat thing about catholicism. we dont go off the deep end and worry about insulting trees. by the way my job for the last 20yrs is cutting down trees.
@bluesrockfan36 only because of demon possesion.? i think u r using poetic license if i must say so myself. he agreed with slavery? whatever u do dont tell DR MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. about this...lol....he insulted ethnic groups? thats it im not catholic no more....lol...he invented hell? yep thats Gods job.
@singapore7773 My mother also cannot wait to die, but then when she gor really sick, she was willing to do anything to get better to stay alive. Strange huh?
"the bible says it rains on just and unjust" so what , does that matter what the bible says.. does not change the idea why would all loving GOD create a system like that then?
Are you aware the guy who said that was the most stupid character in Brothers Karamazov?. It was ment as a satire, and yet you repeat his words as if they had some wisdom.
Well in the larger context, the most naive and sorry for the word "stupid" of the brothers, uses that phrase to try to instill some fear into a servant. But it backfires, giving him hallucinations about the devil.
Great guest... I felt a lot of respect for this guy. He sounds like a genuinely compassionate human being. Different from what you normally see.
dannytibi 1 month ago
poor guy was lost,no clue but plenty of delusion.
MrEnlightenup 3 months ago
A nice guy, with a good heart, but a horrible defense.
jedi1love 3 months ago
I buy only cage free eggs, and I don't eat red meat, but I do eat fish a couple times a week.
ndrthrdr1 4 months ago
Nice pastor, but this really didn't address the "problem of evil" very much; maybe in the longer video? The pastor didn't answer a single question about his theology or the reasons for preferring a religious moral framework over a secular one.
CVEcal 4 months ago
You can tell that the pastor is a great human being, regardless of theological differences. He uses Christianity as his baseline, but the life lessons he's endured fuels him to try and help others. A real mensch!
YouGotsTheRabies 4 months ago
Matt Damon really is a great character actor. I can't believe he would lose all that weight for this small role though. Emmy!!!
ilikelazers 7 months ago
They just let him talk. These are the kinds of people that they should be burning on the stake, they should be making him sweat
debnadaviebna 7 months ago
@debnadaviebna Dude, you're crazy!
JohnOfPinebrook 2 months ago
nice guy, pretty good at dancing around the question
jiveturkey86 8 months ago
The "original sin" argument is nonsense. If god loved humanity even REMOTELY, he would not hold them accountable for the sins of their ancestors. That's the equivalent of punishing German youth for the crimes of the Nazis, or Russian youth for the crimes of Stalin; unwaranted punishment is not loving!
QuatFax 8 months ago
Ladys and gentleman yes.. he is nice but totaly NOT answered the question
SamuelRust 9 months ago
@SamuelRust i agree with you.... the whole time i was watching this video i was like... he asked how the pastor explains this, not what he does when shit happens...
MzDark 9 months ago
He looks like Matt Damon's nerdy brother.
blarson12 10 months ago
@thetvuser666 Yeah, but that excuse only takes in to account the perspective of the people who survive the hardship. If your death strengthens those around you, whoopee for them. But you're dead. Arbitrarily choosing who dies and who gets "strengthened" isn't the tuff of a benevolent deity but a tyrant. Also, how does heaven get around the free will problem? Obviously they do something to make it such a swell place- is there no free will in heaven? A problem no matter the answer.
rrpostalagain 10 months ago
I swear, debate is useless with any theist; you never debate the existence of the same god twice. It's just like "So, which version with what theology do you believe?" renders the whole thing pretty pointless
BennickGAdeus 11 months ago
@BennickGAdeus Well.. there are more atheists now...
rangergxi 11 months ago
Is God a doughnut? Since he's holey :P
Link0X 11 months ago 4
This is the first time I've seen this and I thought I watched most of the back episodes of The Atheist Experience. I am extremely disappointed. This wasn't a debate at all, it was this guy's life story. I mean, they have a Christian on for the first time ever and this is how they "debate" him. They should do it again as a real debate.
June73kmm 1 year ago
I found a nice lecture series called "Christianity and the problem of Evil" by Dr. Bruce Little. It's on the cross.tv website. Worth a look!
this is the link: cross.tv/tvshows/1252
shaloop007 1 year ago
This guy just basically said ... "I dunno."
MrMZaccone 1 year ago
What the f*** the hosts keep asking the pastor about how he reconciles the notions of the 3 omni's with evil and then instead of giving an answer he talks about how it doesn't say he''l do that in the bible and then changes the subject to how he's witnessed suffering. That's not an answer.
MichaelDruggan 1 year ago
What was the point of this video. We are all well aware what christians believe, and philanthropy and charity do not help prove that god is "all the omni's" as the pastor put it or even for the existence for god. If they didn't plan on debating him, then don't have him on. Yes he seems nice, reasonable, and level headed, but the basis for his beliefs cannot be backed by anything other than faith.
JSmith1560 1 year ago
Intellectual disgrace
MuLLenTaLitY 1 year ago
this was a great episode!
I didn't buy into what the Pastor was selling, but I had to respect him. Good Man. Good head on his shoulders (mostly..) : P
AxisOfEternity 1 year ago
This has to be Matt Damons, best performance ever.
timmieturner 1 year ago
Holy circular logic, pastor!!!
"His holiness is what fuels love and you have to take it on faith."
Exactly, man. Total. Complete. Bullshit.
Seriously, do these people listen to themselves talk in circles???? Why can't they see it? Why are they so blind to logic, but ONLY in regards to "god"?
If it was anything else, I think most people like this pastor are intelligent people, and would see their folly!!!
I think he's invest his whole life into it, so.....
TheOrcasRule 1 year ago
i can honestly say that this is the one time episode of the show that i liked! great work on here!
gerinja 1 year ago
Saying "God fuels our love" (5:00) discredits the person performing the act. It's dehumanizing to say this, but I guess that's how Christianity manages to keep a lot of its followers - you are guilty, sinful and imperfect and only God can make you better... what a boat load of crap.
simcult 1 year ago
Pastor Kyle Miller is a Gay!
groundzerobuild 1 year ago
This Pastor has a cool sounding voice :)
Jayjon81 1 year ago
I wish all Christians were like this pastor.
gupsphoo 1 year ago 18
@gupsphoo
Keep wishin
Wordlaw12 1 year ago
@gupsphoo many of them are :)
stephjh2006 1 year ago
@gupsphoo amen
Wened 11 months ago
@gupsphoo I wish there were no Christians.
dutchbb1979 11 months ago
@gupsphoo completely agree. at least he is honest to say 'that's life' or 'it is accepted by faith, not evidence' and 'i dont have all the answers'. tell that to william lane craig.
sirdelrio 10 months ago
@gupsphoo
*I* wish all religious people would decide to give up on their myths and become rationalists.
TheSkunkCat 10 months ago
He seems like a nice enough guy, but more often than not just seems to dance around the topic.
bonk926 1 year ago
@bonk926: They let him get away with too much. He was there for a debate...but he gave answers they totally would have roasted callers on. Jeff should have been on this show. :P
CrypticMantisTX55 1 year ago 16
@CrypticMantisTX55 I agree. They're wrong, the Problem of Evil is more than enough reason not to believe an all loving and all powerful god exist. The preacher said there isn't a scripture saying God(at least he's honest) should stop sufferring but if he's just and cares so much, he should at try. Is a father who watches his children get beaten and raped and can stop it but doesn't a loving father? What is loving about a God would punishes unborn people for actions they had nothing to do with?
HybridD91 1 year ago
@HybridD91 ANswer: Its a trick question!!! nothing in this life matters at all because afterwards we all live forever and ever and ever. this is a pretty typical response. but by far, the most common answer, and impressively the worst, and the answer i'm guessing the pastor used on this show (i havent watched it yet) is we have free will. which seems pretty insufficient as it only adresses like killing or rape or things, not earthquakes etc. AND if i'm raped, thats not MY will.
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qzetu 1 year ago
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@CrypticMantisTX55 Its the first time they had a christians on the show I think the last thing they should do is tear him apart. It would be negative ,and this show has been consistent in showing that they want to be positive Atheist.
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@CrypticMantisTX55 Its the first time they had a christians on the show I think the last thing they want to do is tear him apart. It would be negative ,and this show has been consistent in showing that they want to be positive Atheist.
qzetu 1 year ago
@CrypticMantisTX55 Indeed, I think on the Non Prophets show after this Jeff says he wanted to be on there to rip into him!
shawndimery 1 year ago
@CrypticMantisTX55 Matt would have eaten this guy alive.
MrMZaccone 1 year ago
@CrypticMantisTX55 I completely agree. He seems like a nice guy but im sorry if someone wishes to have a relationship with a god that would condemn unbelievers, or believers of other religions, has a problem. The christian god, no matter how you try to rationalize it, is wicked.
sakdiesel86 1 year ago
@CrypticMantisTX55 I actually prefer this to making asses out of the idiot callers they get. This guy is a very moderate Christian who is firm in his beliefs but does not make any extreme assertions and seems to have no problem at all with having an intelligent and heartfelt discussion about what constitutes his entire world-view. There are a lot more people like this Pastor out there, but most don't seem to want to call into the show since they aren't looking for a debate. I enjoyed this ^^
RadgarEleding 10 months ago
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TheDefenceOfTruth 1 year ago
NO that is not part of the deposit of faith. i do not as a catholic have to follow anything the pope says, unless it is part of the deposit of faith. if u can show me where that is part of the deposit of faith. im all ears. i think i heard the pope once say that the mentallity of condoms. in other words the modern idea of just do whatever u want. i think he said that helps spread aids.
singapore7773 1 year ago
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@singapore7773
"i think he said that helps spread aids."
There you have the scope of his ignorance. Condoms do help the spread of aids. Your backward mentality does not.
But fine, if you want "deposit of fait" (or church commandments)
YES or NO:
Do you belive a rape victim should be forced to marry her rapist?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
"i think he said that helps spread aids."
There you go, that shows the scope of both the Pope and your insanity. Condoms do not help the spread of aids, nor does promiscious behaviour.
If 2/3 of the women get raped by HIV carriers... that helps the spread of aids.
About the deposit of faith, or whatever that is:
Yes or No:
Do you belive a rape victim should be forced to marry her rapist?.
They're forced by biblical law.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 they mite be forced by biblical law or your interpretation of . but catholics dont go by that we go by the one true church. the deposit of faith or as u call it. whatever that is.!!!!!!!!!!
promiscuous behavior doesnt spread aids? wow. cool i can go do whatever the hell i want... i think u just proved the popes words. if millions of rapist are runnin loose do u thinnk for a second they are listening to the pope? u dream.
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
"interpretation of" Is not an interpretation, it's a direct commandment.
Promiscuos behaviour with proper lubrication that dosen't lead to the break of tissue and cells, has very low chances of transfering HIV from the host.
On the other hand, rape has very high chances.
And if you use condoms on both cases, the chances are virtually 0.
AND, they DO listen to the pope. They're very religious, and that's the only educationt hey have.
Calling you sane, won't make me one.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 calling me or the pope insane doesnt strengthen your opinion
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
How did Eve do a "bad" thing by eating the apple?. She didn't knew good from bad UNTIL she ate the apple.
It's like blaming a child for activating a nuclear missile, the fault lies not on the child but on the irresponsible parents.
Are you saying God is irresponsible and can't admit his own mistakes?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 eve is not the guilty party. ADAM is. God told adam not to eat of the tree. and he ate it anyways. this is not part of the deposit of faith. this is a story we use to show that something went wrong with our first parents. be careful when and how u get hung up on christianity. i see people all the time say christianity is false for reasons that don count... even my own bio brothers and sisters.
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Adam didn't knew good from evil either. Besides de point spiffythealien made, about the omniscience fallacy.
How could God punish Adam and Eve for something they DID NOT know it was BAD?.
He's that much of an ass?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 God told them.
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
How is it bad to disobey God, if they don't know what bad is?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 God told them, u can eat of any tree but this one. they ate of that one.. they knew what bad is. thats y they hid from God.
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Why didn't God made Eve hate fruits?, Why didn't he made her depend on other sources for nourishmente, like.. rocks?.
God KNEW Eve was gonna eat the fruit. He's omniscient.
Besides, you haven't answered me.
How is it WRONG to defy God, if you don't know what right from wrong is?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 st. augustine said the 10 commandments are stamped on the heart of man..... we know
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
I don't belive in a God, I'm a living proof of the stupidity of that statement.
"Thou shall have no other God besides me".
That's why Christianity is the ONLY religion in the world?.
Because everyone KNOWS that by heart?. Everyone KNOWS Yaweh exists?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 i have no idea what u b saying
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
About Genesis or about the "we're born with the 10 commandments" statement?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 i dont beleive in a God. im living proof of the stupidity ot
that statement. ............ that post. i have no idea what u r getting at.
singapore7773 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 i dont beleive in a God. im living proof of the stupidity ot
that statement. ............ that post. i have no idea what u r getting at. im going to bed see u tomorrow. after church.....
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
You claimed that the 10 commandments are embedded within humans, since birth.
How would you account for people who:
a) Don't belive in God, violating the first 4.
b) Other religions with different deities, violating again the first 4.
c)Societies, that violate the remmaining ones?
We are not born with the concept of God, specially not the Christian God hardwired in our brain. This is one of the reasons I don't belive in Him.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 i didnt st. augustine did. he is a doctor of the church. he is one of the highest ranking catholics in 2000yrs. how would i account for people breaking the 10 commandments? the same reason i do. we have free will. and we have....
concupiscence. which is the downward pull from adam and eves original sin. we want pleasure now even if it hurts us in the long run. which is sin
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Two points:
1) You ignored the intrinsincate fallacy within the Genesis story. So until you adress that point I raised, you don't get to use Genesis to back up other arguments.
2) You haven't adressed any of my points regarding the cultural diversity and the 10 commandments, that prove St. Agustine (one of the founders of the inquisition), was utterlly wrong.
If I make an imaginary rule that anyone who says the word "God" will be punished forever...
Everyone broke my rule.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
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@singapore7773
Does that lend any validity to the rule I just created?. No.
You must provide evidence that it was a commandment from God, wheres you have none.
"we want pleasure now even if it hurts us in the long run. which is sin"
That's stupid, sorry for the language but it is.
I don't wan't pleasure at all, I derive pleasure from doing things I enjoy, which is different.
Since when feeling pleasure when reading a book about physics is a sin?.
Since when being happy is a sin?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Does the fact that everyone on the world broke my rule, lends any validity to the divine origin of the rule?. No.
You must prove that the rule was derived from divine mandate, which of course you haven't, no one ever has.
"we want pleasure now even if it hurts us in the long run. which is sin"
That's stupid, I apologize for the language but it is.
I derive pleasure from doing things I enjoy, healthy ones too.
Since when reading an enjoyable physics book is a sin?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 the language dont bother me. u r right i am wrong. enjoying proper pleasures is not sin. of course i meant like sex outside of marriage, getting drunk and cheating on wife or taxes.... this is not the forum for proving what u ask in my opinion. it is much more of a complex question than this forum lends itself to. lets just say i think the church has "proved" it. i think Jesus porved it. i think the history and the teaching of the church proves it. i think the lives of the saints
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Addictive self destructive behaviours do not need to be flagged as "sin" in order for us to understand, it's detrimental for both our mental and physical health. Sex for instance, wether in marriage or in a simply healthy monogamous relationship is healthy.
This austerity from "worldy pleasures" existed on religions across the glob centruies before Christyanity or Judaism.
It dosen't prove the Catholic church is right, any more than it validates Hinduism.
Is Hinduism true?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 they mite not need to b flagged as sin to u. but they do to the church.
sex is way more than that in the catholic church. and it will always be more.
"this austerity from worldly pleasures existed in religions across the globe cent. before christian. or judism... ok so... where in my town can i go to one of their churches? one of the main characteristics of truth is it never changes. it last. these religions u speak of... where r they? i dont c them in my town.
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
"sex is way more than that in the catholic church. and it will always be more."
Glad that our ancestors didn't mind what the church said, otherwise we woulden't be here.
Are you aware that if you trace your geneaology up to 4 generations (grandparents), there's over a 120% chance that it was an "affair" and not a marriage, that gave birth to a child?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
"it last. these religions u speak of... where r they? i dont c them in my town."
If you go to eastern countries you will have the opposit scenario.
They'll say, where is your religion?, I don't see it on my town.
And they're more in number than yours.
So.. how do you know THEIRS is false and yours are true?.
Those "truths" are simple common sense. And the excuses to name them "sins" are completley different.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 they'll say where is your religion?
u r kidding right? u have got to b kidding!
the catholic bishop of shanghai. imprisioned for 30yrs. for being catholic.
cardinal ignatius kung
same in vietnam. the president of s. korea converted to catholicism. there are millions of catholics in india and philippines. its almost against the law to b catholic in russia. the bishop of turkey murderered by jihadist. it is against the law to b catholic in saudi.
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
"the catholic bishop of shanghai. imprisioned for 30yrs. for being catholic."
Exactly my point. It's against the law to be Catholic in so many countries.
So they ask again: "Where is your religion?, aha! in Jail... why would I belive in it then, if God dosen't help them, my religion is thriving in temples and pagodas".
It was your own originial point. They could very well make the exact same statement.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 the difference between catholic and the eastern religions is huge. catholicism takes on the world. it goes outside itself. eastern religions dont
catholicism took on islam in 1571 and was predicted to loss. the pope won. protestants sacked rome in 1527. we are still here. not to mention tons of other examples. or differences
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
"it goes outside itself. eastern religions dont"
I'm not sure what you mean by that... could you elucidate a bit more?.
Your other arguement is that Catholicism is violent?!?
That Catholic church was victim of violence?.
So was every other major religion in the plante. The Christian religions, were the least victimized amongst them all.
How's that an arguement that Catholicism is the RIGHT religion?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 it goes outside itself .... sure..
jesus was from bethlehem. and there are millions of his followers in china?
korea? india? brazil? chile? these places are no where near bethlehem .... i personally dont see eastern religions doing this.. y.... because they dont think the same. christianity is not about me... its about us.. eastern religion is about me.. remember when the pope went to sri lanka recently he got in trouble for saying something about buddism = nothingness!!!
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Buddha was from Kapilavatsu, and there are millions... of followers in America?! Oh no!.
Btw, Jesus was from Nazareth.
All those countries and more, know buddhism. Sheez, I'm from south america and I'm talking to you now... it's called globalization.
"about me".. sorry mate, you know nothing of eastern religions. It's about EVERYONE, and the erradication of "me".
How do YOU fit in, God, Jesus and Holy Spirit?. Your name isn't there is it?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 eastern religion is about me. jesus is about us.(trinity) i dont see millions of white buddist in utah. or nebraska. or germany. or aussie. i do see millions of christians in. china.oppressed. korea. brazil. chile. philippines. india. ireland. africa. canada. jesus wasnt from any where near these places. outside itself
remember when the pope went to sri lanka he got in trouble for saying buddist highest = nothingness= me..... big difference.
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
"buddism = nothingness"
Yes nothingness is a very profound philosophical concept in buddhism.
Our Universe, came from nothing.
Nothing, literally nothing composes 90% of your weight.
Nothing is essential to physics and how our universe works.
There is soo much to nothing, you wouldn't belive me.
And trust me, there are millions in all those countries. Millions of muslims and hiduists as well.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
I'd recomend you read up on other religions, instead of automatically asuming *yours* is the correct one. Saying nothingness=me, is profoundly mistaken from a buddhist standpoint.
"no catholic is not violent. where did u get that from....sheeesh."
History... sheesh, ever read a book about the middle ages?.
Again with the utilitaristic fallacy:
All religions combined outnumber Christianity, greatly.
Is the world flat?. Most people thought so. Why isn't it then?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 who said i automatically assume.... i have read. i dont see no buddhist mother teresa starting 400 hospitals by herself. . the catholic church was not violent in the middle ages compared to everyone around her. she just out lasted them all. and now she is hated for it. all religions combined have no unity. catholicism is unity. unity is everything. i dont think most people thought the world was flat? reference.? even if they did so? they didnt know germs existed either? so
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
ROFL... mother teresa starting 400 hospitals.... LOL.
Sorry, but it REALLY was funny.
She didn't... get your facts right, she started 400 CONVENTS, to train nuns (to spread her pleasure, from other people's suffering. She hated doctors and killed thousands of people by refusing to give them medical treatment.
It's just lies, and propaganda, she accepted money from the worse genocidal regime in Haiti, and condoned it.
Just look up her real story.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
The Catholic church was NOT violent?!.
How far are you gonna go?, you gonna claim that the genocide never happend now, and 9/11 is an alien conspiracy?.
You know what the INQUISITION is?. The Catholic church, was THE source of utmost violence in the middle ages.
With hundreds of corrupt popes.
What happend to the templar order, in Paris is just a tiny example of the practices they did.
Get off your cloud, seariously... the Church has an EVIL past, and present.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
You clearly don't know anything about other religions, you wouldn't have made that statement regarding buddhism paraphrasing the pope otherwise.
Catholicism is UNITY?, tell that to northern Ireland. And Poland.
You know who Colombus was?.
Well the Church forced everyone to THINK the world was flat.
Everyone thought the world was flat then
By your logic (that superior numbers, grant veracity):
The world IS flat.
Is it?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Oh I'd also recomend you look up on the history of King Asoka.
The greatest of all kings that inhabited the world according to many historians.
He turned to buddhism, and did REAL good, his works alone bring to shame whatever the Vatican or the Catholic faith may have done for others, specially considering the price they demmand.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 again u miss my point.... exactly where do i go to his church here in santa cruz ca. ? address please.
u can go to catholic church the world over. i went to catholic church in ahmedabad india recently!!!! where is the good kings church in ahmedabad india? i didnt see it. can u help me find it?
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
The King didn't founded buddhism, he was simply a buddhist. If you don't find the "church" then you're not looking enough, there are several in Santa Cruz, Ca. Try the one in 5800 Prescott Road.
And there are literally thousands of temples in India, several in Ahmedabad, like the Iskon Temple... but care to explain me the logic besides this asinine arguement you're positing?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 again u miss my point.... exactly where do i go to his church here in santa cruz ca. ? address please.
u can go to catholic church the world over. i went to catholic church in ahmedabad india recently!!!! where is the good kings church in ahmedabad india? i didnt see it. can u help me find it? i dont have to look up catholic stuff. i just walk down the block.
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
You don't have it down the *block*, THAT'S your explanation how Catholicsism is THE true religion. Surely you can see how ilogical that is.
If you're looking for information regarding other religions, you can go to a bookstore or look up books on the internet, sheesh even wikipedia will work sometimes.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 u and me are talking past each other. obviously...
i can walk down the block to my catholic church....
y cant i walk down the block to a buddhist church or whatever?
y cant i walk down the block to a king asoka church or whatever?
i dont see anything illogical about that. if its true it should b available . truth is good it is not hidden its out in the open. for your information. catholics believe when we go to church...... heaven comes to earth....
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
That's because Christianity has a lot of followers in the US, go to other religious countries and you won't see the same.
But I ask you again.
Why is the ammount of churches on YOUR area, establish if a religion is true or not?. Do you know how many Mormon Churches and Scientology ones are there?.
They're not hiding their teachings... they simply can't afford, no religion can a church every block.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 u ask y does it matter how many churches in my area.? simple.
truth last... error falls apart and doesnt last... a tooth that is healthy last your whole life.... a tooth with a cavity will get worse and die. in fact my grandmother died from a tooth infection at 33. if this king asoka was truth. he would have churches or whatever around my block. like jesus does. jesus is truth
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Actually thanks to thermodynamics, EVERYTHING will wither and die.
And I'm sorry but, truth dosen't last, it depends on the people and how gulible they want to be. A clear example of this is religion.
Buddhism is OLDER than Jesus, Hinduism is ANCIENT. They both have shirnes and temples across the globe.
Let's asume I live in Sri Lanka, everywhere I go, I see a buddhist temple
How can you convince ME, that my religion is false, because YOU have christian temples there?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 um yes i think there are churches in sri lanka. in fact the catholic bishop from sri lanka came to my church to ask for money. truth doesnt last? u r kidding right? so if 2+2= 4 now and that is true and u say it wont last.? what is it going to b 1000yrs from now? 5? yes my friend truth lasts. u c the catholic church is not some little thing.. it studies everything. i dont think u have any idea. like i said if u read AQUINAS. your head would spin.
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Actually I've read Aquinas, wasen't impressed. You do know he vouched for the death of unbelivers?.
When all humans are dead... how much will 'truth' survive then?.
And wrong beliefs do survive, just as much as right ones, that was my point. The pope think the Earth is flat...
You went to Buddha's hometown?, can you name it?. Can you name the temple in there?.
They don't impact the world enough?... Have you actually read ANYTHING about buddhism?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 buddhism is older than jesus.? ok. i went to buddhas home town to tell the truth..... but the thing is .. they dont impact the world. like christianity does. they mite have temples around the world but they dont impact the world... truth impacts the world.. the reason jesus is different than buddha is jesus is demanding. the 10 commandments. and jesus said i am god.. which buddha never did. truth is different than buddha. jesus is truth
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Unless if by impact you mean mass murder, flying into buildings, lying and abusing little children, murdering people with lies about aids, etc.
As to make EVERY headline in the world.
Then yes, buddhism dosen't have that.
You know... bad publicity IS NOT good publicity.
If you read anything about buddhis philosophy, it will bring st. Thomas, and Agustin notions to shambles.
Aha... Jesus demands, that you kill homosexuals, that you murder children, that you own slaves...
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
The Buddha wasn't a God, he was just a man.
He didn't do miracles, he was just a man.
But he WAS more compassionate than Jesus, he helped more people than Jesus, and he actually gave mature answers when faced with doubts and problems.
10 commandments again?. Do you obey the 613 commandments?.
You can't even prove Jesus existed...
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773 Are you serious, there are starbucks on every corner to, maybe I should start praying to a cup of coffee...... lame argument man!!!!!!!!!!
mrgetrealpeople 1 year ago
@mrgetrealpeople u missed the argument... when was starbucks outlawed for 300yrs.? i must of missed that.
when did starbucks founder say u must be perfect? i missed that.
when did starbucks founder say to give all u have to the poor? i missed that too.
its only a lame argument if u miss it.......
"when has the whole world taken on the pope and not found him alone too many?"
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
When was Christianity ever outlawed in the entire globe?.
The founder Christianity insulted fig trees (Matthew 11:21-21), starbucks founder never did.
Nor did other religion founders.
It is a lame utilitaristic argument which I have rebuked over and over, what MOST of the population belive it's not TRUE.
Otherwise lightning is caused by Zeus. And if you walk long enough, you fall off the Earth.
Why is your argument correct... can you prove God or Jesus even existed?.
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bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 when was it ever outlawed.... let me see.. i think the 12 apostles were KILLED BY THE STATE. ...
Jesus insults fig tree.... not to self.
the rest of your stuff i cant make sense of.
can i prove Jesus existed? thanks for the compliment.
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
If it was ilegal, why was it allowed to be taught in the streets of Rome?.
Yup, he does a lot of weird stuff... like saying if you belive in him you "literally" won't physically die.
The other points:
Is thunder caused by Zeus?. Is the world Flat?.
Everyone thought so at their time... why is it wrong then?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 allowed. i think they were killed.
i dont think Jesus said that.
show me a ref. please for everyone thinking that at that time?
please
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Jesus was an end of days preachers, just like the ones you cross in the streets, he was utterlly convinced that in the lifetime of his disciples, the kingship of God will come down to Earth.
Read John 8:51, for the inmortality statement.
The rest, read the Gospels, if you really want references I'll look them up... but if you read the bible, it should be self evident.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 with all due respect u r sorely mistaken... JESUS told his apostles to go preach the gospel to the whole world!!!! doesnt sound like end of days to me. i know where u r coming from. jesus said a lot of mystical stuff. and it has been widely and wrongly interpreted. even catholics go crazy from time to time. but we have the pope to bring us back. st. francis of assisi is synonomous with peace and love. yet still his brothers started killing soon after died..!!!!!
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Show me a passage where he commanded the preaching of the gospel. He wasn't even aware that the "gospel" existed...
Mark 9:1:
"And he said to them, "I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God come with power."
He wasn't that peaceful then uh?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 JESUS talked about life and death a lot.
i dont recall him saying what u said he said. "literally wont physically die"
especially when the reason for jesus birth was to physically die!!!!!
jesus concern was and always will b our souls. not our bodies.. i thought he made
that clear. but i guess not. my mom used to alway say. "i cant wait to die"
my mom was worried about her soul. not her body.
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
He also said that phsycial and mental illness was caused only because of Demon possesion.
He agreed with slavery.
He insulted entire ethinic groups and condemned them to Hell.
He practically invented the modern vision of Hell.
How can you say he was a nice guy?.
How do you know we have a soul?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 who is he? Jesus? im confused.
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
You should read regarding Demon possesion.
Matthew 4:23-24, 9:32-33, 12:22, 17:14-18,
Mark 1:23-26, 32-34, 5:2-16, 9:17-29, 16:9,
Luke 11:14, 4:33-35, 8:2, 27-36, 9:38-42, AC 8:7, 16:16-18
Jesus insulted the Pharisees. Even Socrates, or Buddha when faced with oppostion, would never insult others back.
Jesus endorsed slavery by issuing commands on how slaves should act, and behave so their master will get to go to heaven.
Put simply, he was an ass.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 put simply u misunderstand what he is talking about.
he insulted the pharisees.? u mean like when he said.
" no matter what. always follow the pharisees.
u mean like that?
tell dr. king about jesus and slavery. again u miss his point.
u do understand that jesus wasnt in the usa right?
jesus had a reason to insult others. he was trying to wake them up.
u dont have to believe me, but that is what jesus was doing. its a very
effective style of polemics.
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
"jesus had a reason to insult others. he was trying to wake them up."
Sooo mature, let's insutl others because they're simply stupid. I would have literally punched him in the face.
The buddha, never insulted anyone, neither did Socrates and they were trying to WAKE people up... what's your excuse, that allows any form of violence?.
And by Insult I mean, meaningless insults followed with a sentence of eternal damnation:
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
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bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Matt 23:31-33 "Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers' guilt. Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?"
What's the intent of those insults?, it also goes on rambling how hypocrites they are.
And let me get one thing clear... are you saying the bible DOES NOT condone, instruct and enable the use of slavery?.
Read on the history of Dr. King...
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 slavery in the bible is way different than slavery in the usa. that is what i am saying. u dont make that distinction...
what was the intent of those insults. i thought he was clear. God sent them wonderful people to help them... what did they do to show thanks? they murdered them.!!!! and furthermore Jesus is a prophet that they are scheming to murder so he is telling them that i know what u r thinking. jesus is throwing down a challenge. yes they are hypocrites
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
The pharisees didn't murder Jesus, they weren't beliving his petty miracles which is different.
That justifies insults?... Your God has to lower himself to insulting people?. Pathetic.
Slavery in the bible is different?.
LOL... how many slavery types are there?.
There is only one for me... being forced to serve someone against your will. Don't try to cover it up... the bible endorses slavery quite clear, and it's the same slavery everywhere, including the usa.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 THE truth is not an insult.
yes slavery is very different in the bible.
newsflash. the bible culture is different than ours. way different
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
So... they were vipers?.. they were reptiles?. Uhm sorry, no way around it for you, it IS an insult, calling names. If they were so evil that even your God had to insult them, then why did He created them in the first place?.
Let me try to figure it out... you're saying that there is a GOOD form of SLAVERY?.
In buddha's time, there was something similar to slavery called caste system.
He completly destroyed it.
What's your excuse?.
God is above culture.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 um the caste system is alive and well in Buddhas home town.
it mite b an insult to you. it mite b a wake up call to someone else. the bible says God chastise those he loves.
i never said there is a good slavery. nice try though
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
I'm not from any religion...
My point was... buddhism completly rejects slavery, Christianity dosen't.
How is that possible?.
So slavery is wrong?... the bible is wrong?... interesting.
In which universe is an insult a wake up call?. The Pharisees, refused to belive the miracle in which Jesus sends possessed pigs down a cliff...
I wouldn't belive it neither, there is nothing divine in sensless death.
How is calling them reptiles, validate Jeuss divinity?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 buddhism may reject slavery but the caste system is alive and well.
u r all hung up on slavery. i really dont know how to help u with that. is the world perfect. no. is there slavery in the bible yes. is there murder in the bible yes. did jesus have relatives who were prostitutes yes. so what is your point.?
life is messy. and jesus is not going to run from the mess. so?
death is here .... get use to it.
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
The caste system is due to hinduism, not buddhism.
Why is death here?. Why is god so evil to create all this mess?.
Why does your God have to result to such base notions, like slavery, death, commanding genocide and rape, even human sacrifice?.
Doesn't sound divine at all.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 Jesus said......
unless a grain of wheat dies , it remains a grain of wheat.
but if it dies it creates a great harvest!!!!!!!!!!!! < jesus....
thank God i am catholic
singapore7773 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 one guy in here is attacking me from the exact different angle as you are. i love it. catholics are guilty from by both sides. soo funny. you cant make stuff like this up!!!!!!
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
I'm not attacking you, I'm attacking your believes.
Again... Jesus insulted trees.
Why do we have to kill in order to live?. Why does the grain have to die?.
Jesus said a lot of nonsense, like for instance:
"And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils (..) They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."
Doesn't happen uh?
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 Jesus insulted trees? quick somebody call CNN!!!
u r one funny guy. y does the grain have to die.? i thought Jesus just said y in my last post. i guess u werent reading too closely.....
TO GAIN A RICH HARVEST
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
The grain actually doesn't die.
If I see someone insulting a tree, I would instantly recomend him psychiatric help.
You cut down trees... how many have you insulted?.
The dirt isn't alive. God made us dependent on killing other sentient beings in order to live.
How can you say then. that killing is wrong?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 arguing with u is like pulling teeth..
the grain doesnt die....... can u say metaphor? i guess not.
killing is not wrong per se. killing is wrong if u have not good reason.
i cant kill my wife because we argue. i can kill a home intruder a robber.
in war we can kill to hold up justice. we can kill to eat a chicken. or a pig.
we cant kill because we are bored. if u never kill all dies any ways. its called the circle of life
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
So the ten commandments are bogus?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 wow u r something...
commandment=bogus
commandment = metaphor
how u get that from what i say is mindboggling
i will say it again. thank god im catholic.
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Thank the pink unicorn I don't belive in pixies...
We have to kill, is necesary you made it clear.
So how can we preserve the "Thou shalt not kill" as universal then?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 COPS can kill soldiers can kill and u can kill if u have a justifiable reason. u cant kill for no reason. now was that hard?
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Not at all, is what I was saying, you just kept validating my point.
We MUST kill... so why is "Thou Shalt NOT kill" a commandment?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 thou shalt not kill is pretty simple.
u cant kill with out just cause. i dont know y u have a problem with that
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
So, there is no objective morality then?.
That means there is no God.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 where do u get these ideas?
a protestant phd. was going to convert to catholicism. he had lunch with a priest and told him his story. he told the priest. "if i think catholicism is true is it ok for me to not join?" the priest said..... what do u think?
u say .... so there is no objective morality then?
i say.. what do u think?
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
That was a bit of nonsense.
If there is no objective morality, there can't be an objective judge (God).
Therefor, a logical conclusion is that God doesn't exist.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 im glad im catholic. what u r and what u mean i have no idea.
lets just hope when your head gets done spinning its facing forwards.
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
I'm nothing, I don't belive in God, and I'm pretty sure a God doesn't exist.
Let me simplify my point.
Why do you belive in God?. How do you know a God exists, how do you know the Bible God exists?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 How about this ....
why do we have to step on dirt? isnt that according to your logic an insult to dirt?
thats the neat thing about catholicism. we dont go off the deep end and worry about insulting trees. by the way my job for the last 20yrs is cutting down trees.
singapore7773 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 only because of demon possesion.? i think u r using poetic license if i must say so myself. he agreed with slavery? whatever u do dont tell DR MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. about this...lol....he insulted ethnic groups? thats it im not catholic no more....lol...he invented hell? yep thats Gods job.
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773 My mother also cannot wait to die, but then when she gor really sick, she was willing to do anything to get better to stay alive. Strange huh?
TomsFriendKake 1 year ago
@TomsFriendKake how old is she? just curious
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773 Almost 60.
TomsFriendKake 1 year ago
@TomsFriendKake sickness can do that. bring out the truth
singapore7773 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 no catholic is not violent. where did u get that from....sheeesh.
i said they were out numbered and all experts said this is it. your done. islam is unstoppable. and the pope beat islam oct. 7 1571
singapore7773 1 year ago
So this bloke's answer to the theodicy question was, " I don't know."
Fair enough. But we know - it's because there are no no gods. Next question.
purbrookian 1 year ago
"the bible says it rains on just and unjust" so what , does that matter what the bible says.. does not change the idea why would all loving GOD create a system like that then?
gskowal 1 year ago
IF THERE IS NO GOD, ANYTHING IS PERMISSABLE, -DOSTOYEVSKI
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Are you aware the guy who said that was the most stupid character in Brothers Karamazov?. It was ment as a satire, and yet you repeat his words as if they had some wisdom.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago
@bluesrockfan36 no i wasnt aware. sometimes the first shall be last and the last shall be first. they have more than some wisdom.
singapore7773 1 year ago
@singapore7773
Well in the larger context, the most naive and sorry for the word "stupid" of the brothers, uses that phrase to try to instill some fear into a servant. But it backfires, giving him hallucinations about the devil.
It's something to ponder about eh?.
bluesrockfan36 1 year ago