Ministry - Stigmata (12/12/88)

[JFK0429]

OMG! This was the Riv....I was there....too cool

[BowDownBltcH]

was this recorded in chicago at metro or riviera? i think i was there that night! awesome show..

[hellchild65]

this song always sounded more badass live!

[NTVRDfmv]

ogre with guitar?

[engelwyre]

Don't bump Grandpa Al when he's singing! 103s

[d00derman]

@andywhorehall Year later reply, the reason I brought it up is because Al J and Michael J are born on the same year and just doing a comparison.

[biturica]

This sounds much more innovative on the album. Here it just looks like Alain / Al's descent from an interesting guy into just another redneck like he is today, who just wants to say f--k all the time. What is he overcompensating for? A legit interest in synthpop or darkwave a few years earlier? I wish I could freeze Al back at a time when he was interesting. And the number of guitarists at a live Ministry show always seems overkill.

[777Lateralus]

This is what gay men listen to while having sex...

[nonicknamekid2010]

@777Lateralus lmao

[kevagonia]

@777Lateralus this is actually a proven fact. how does it work for you? heh

[d00derman]

@777Lateralus Good to know, thanks for sharing your experience.

[erreur]

the only one actually playing guitar is the guy to Al's left whoever that it. LOL. They geetars look cool as props tho.

[Jauly]

fuckin love the hexagon pads to their metal-rockabilly outfits!!!!! this was like the future and you see that al had tons of fun doing this :)

[TheUndert0ker]

oh boy you know ogre and al got fucked up on massive amounts of heroin and weed after this show!

[gangurobitch]

@TheUndert0ker And then they made sweet, sweet love to each other.

[ranrio70]

P.s. Not all Klute and Psychpomps had guitars in there music.

[ranrio70]

To silks. I suppose you think Kmfdm and thrill kill kult are industrial. Synthetic,abrassive,loops,samp­les, 100% electronic computer generated is old industrial music. Try Skinny Puppy (pre rabies). Front Line Assembly(pre millenium),Leather Strip(behind the laughter) ,.Klute,Psychopomps,Cyberactif­, You ever heard of Zoth Omog? How about Metropolis? Learn your shit before you send me a comment amateur! Go listen to your pop music NIN,powerman500,ramstein,white zombie,Ministry Psalm 69.

[itstimetospill]

Damn he played well and thanks for uploading this.

[itstimetospill]

is that drummer dead now?

[Phil741]

@itstimetospill Yeah it's Jeff Ward.

[ranrio70]

Yes TG did use guitars. . I know TG are suppose to be the Gods of industrial. But I was raised on Einstuerzende Neubauten! They are the roots of industrial for me!

[Smyrk420]

@ranrio70 HirnLego

[bigtonable]

shit ya

[Rivermanga]

I LOVE this band (up to a certain point in time). But, it kills me to know that Al is wearing a rug here.

[poolpig]

@Rivermanga its 1988 here if he did here he always did like those dreads?

[ranrio70]

This is industrial rock! Anything with guitars is not true industrial. Leather Strip,Wumpscut,Combichrist . Even old Skinny Puppy before Rabies was good industrial. Partied with Al,Kmfdm,and Ogre back in late 80's and Al was an asshole! Me and Ogre smoked some weed he was cool as shit. he wanted some speed but i didnt fuck with the shit. I still say fuck Nin posers always!

[mlc3]

@ranrio

Didn't Throbbing Gristle use Guitars?

[Silks]

@ranrio70 Since when was there a rule about what instruments an "industrial" group can use? I think what you mean is anything where guitars are the prominent instruments?  Otherwise, that smells like a lot of bs.

[gangurobitch]

@ranrio70 He probably would have been nicer if you'd offered to give him a hummer. Of course, then you'd have to deal with a jealous Paul, but life is never easy.

[ranrio70]

@gangurobitch I know. Next time I'll ask your toothless mother to give me and Al a hummer and we'll both be in a better mood. Then again life is always easier with a good hummer.

[gangurobitch]

@ranrio70 Well, if that's what you really want. My mom is kind of a castrating bitch, though. Just a fair warning.

[thegame890]

This was recorded in Toronto, Canada. there's a bootleg DVD-version of this gig looming around torrent sites. They even played Revolting Cocks classic "No Devotion"

[The4rfvbgt5]

this band is smart they can see the trends and make music a head of the trend to cash in

[thrashmetalfiend]

It's badass how Al pushes off that kid at 1:45.

[scrumblednuts]

this is so raw I love it

[munkefuk]

none of them r dead.

[TheUndert0ker]

Haha is that Ogre on guitar?

[smallfatty]

... wow, i love how people actually try and say ministry are better and that NIN copied them... al is a fucking dick, and should probs take a singing lesson. and dont even pull the NIN are sell outs thing, cause its just fucking lame.

[thrashmetalfiend]

NIN is faggot goth music. Ministry is true industrial.

[nathanel1313]

that's the stupidest thing i've ever read. (and I mean the first sentence, don't know about the second, but this song rocks! especially in the Hardware movie)

[jon5ish]

nin rules go suck your max cavalera and sepultura dick bitch

[thrashmetalfiend]

Wow, how did Sepultura get dragged into the conversation? Jon5ish, your ultimate lack of intelligence on this matter makes you a perfect candidate of post-birth abortion. Go eat a shotgun barrel, you NIN fanboy jackoff.

[Aggiechilds]

smallfatty,

No Ministry = no Nine Inch Nails. Without Al's influence and dare I say help (1000 Homo Djs, Rev. Co, etc), Trent would have amounted to very little.

That being said, without Skinny Puppy and Kevin Oglvie's help, Al would not have progressed the way he did.

[ifutureman]

@Aggiechilds You correctly cite Skinny Puppy, but nobody here seems to remember Big Black. I've always thought that Jourgenson's transformation in the late 80's was heavily influenced by stuff like "Racer X" and "Jordan Minnesota". I disagree about Trent Reznor, though. He was destined to succeed on his own terms and ultimately I'd say he's been more influential than Ministry. After the "Mind" album, Ministry did nothing but coast.

[MzSlowkid]

all the way down to the dropped suspenders on the security guard!!!! al and paul both!!!!!!! Bad fucking Ass!!!!!!

[quasar23]

I have this bootleg also. Much better quality(the video, not this download) than the 1-28-90 bootleg I have. Love the "you're nothing. you're shit" at the end.

[jrquilty]

someone please clean up the audio just a little or give me the file and I can try and but it in digital 2.0 awesome vid tho bro

[jrquilty]

damn...i didn't know Jeff played for Ministry and NIN...sucks his addiction got the best of him. Wonder what Al was on that night lol. fuck it don't matter. I remember I was a kid"well jr. high" just getting into industrial music. Stigmata then PHM by Reznor was like amazing time for me

[KellyBKitten]

Everytime I see Al and Ogre together it just makes my day. My two favorite guys... I don't know who I love more ...Al can rock harder but Ogre is more creative and artistic. What u think?

[TheUndert0ker]

Ogre all the way

[finditfuckitforgetit]

Really sweet! LOL

[ktsITTE]

that's fuckin tough. but first off i wouldn't say alien is less artistic. nivek's just more indirect with his delivery. they are both god's and with any luck something will happen between them again no that revco's back and ministry's dead... check out the new skinny puppy tour this fall. starts this month!

[nukecat]

i dont know about orge being more creative and artistic? maybe more autisitc you dont know what the fuck your talking about. al reigns supreme in every endeavor hes behind.plus, hes a genius and extremely creative. its not what i think its what i know baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[readandburn]

The lineup left to right: Paul Barker (bass), Nivek Ogre (guitar), Jeff Ward (drums), Al Jourgensen (guitar), Bill Rieflin (guitar)

[skindancer01]

anyone know the line up here?, is that Atkins on drums?

[superserial1]

Quite possibly the ultimate mosh song in the history of the earth..........

[oblane1]

i wanna kick someone inthe face

[casbfd]

yes!!!! haha

[BillClintonn]

oblane1: Ha!

[xxxIzekeIxxx]

80s ministry is good for me

[poorandsick]

ogre with guitar next to al?

[grodriguez171]

the land of rape and honey is a classic industrial metal record...my other favorite ministry records are the mind is a terriblething to taste and psalm 69...

[Ferdan75]

Saw their farewell gig Finland year ago. Great. Hard to understand how a band this furious can just leave it. Also, I think this version is on the "In case you didn't feel like showing up" album.

[d00derman]

Not trying to disrespect the dead but Al Jourgensen had a richer, more dynamic, more heterogeneous catalog through the years than Michael Jackson, plus I never saw Michael Jackson play the wide array of instruments that Al has (guitar, keyboard, mandolin, I mean who makes a mandolin sound bad ass?). Al will probably die not recognized for what he deserves.

[Realworstnightmare]

you're right. But he's not the only one who should be noticed, and I don't think he will ever get as much recognition as he deserves.

[natesot]

@d00derman Also all plays a meen hamonika, as it is now people still think NIN were the ones the bring industrial to the masses , thoe NIN is good but anyone in the no new Trent was playing on early Ministry songs. I dont think Ministry will ever get the respect they deserve but fuck it who wants the status quo saying what you did was good we know al knows.

[azynkron]

@d00derman No doubt that they are a large part of why the metal scene looks the way it does. Many times copied, but there's only one Uncle Al. I would have liked them to stay more on the industrial side though then going for a heavy metal cross over. But respect where respect is due.

[djanzon]

@d00derman

Don´t forget the Harmonica and (I think, the Ukulele)

[CathedralOfGhosts]

@d00derman But he couldn't dance like MJ.... nobody can.

[612Crewz]

@d00derman Al is alive and about to tour again, weird analogy you've came up with.

[d00derman]

@612Crewz Check the date.....I posted it when Michael Jackson died. Not weird at all.

[GaryNumanAlbums]

Still my favriote band of all time, thanks for this. It rocks

[MarlaMora]

al is so sexy

[r1hender]

Wow, this is awesome! As I remember them back when I listened to them in college from '87 to '91! Great to see, thanks!

[heathselin]

This version is so raw, I had always thought this song come out later than 88 for some reason, I would have loved to been into ministry back in the 80s. "Just like a car crash, just like a knife, my favorite weapon is the look in your eyes." Is there better lyrics to another song ever? I just dont think so.

[brabblebrum]

oops! i swore! sorry.

[brabblebrum]

Al is so f***ing bad he should be in detention. I wonder what happened to him to cause the transformation from "Haloween is Everyday" Al to "So Fucking What?" Al?

[cmhenator]

Heroin.

[slurm1]

Hahahaha.

[clickslither7]

revco needs to tour again

[hillbilly1339]

its not the music its the recording.

[boohowdy]

definitely the recording.

[420dAn]

I hate to say it, but music these is terrible. And I think it's because heroin is not as popular as it used to be in the music scene! I mean, come on, all my favorite artists were on it when they made their best hits!

[spitndecay]

one of the best bands ever!! wish i couldve seen them back in tha day--ps where did this type of music go-----

[XRatedLiquid]

Fuckin' awsome plus it's the first time I've seen oger playing guitar, fuck I want a time machine!!!

[nokilt1]

music to kill by

fuck art

lets kill

[cephal0p0d]

Ministry with they guys from Puppy! I still have a chipped tooth from this show 20 years later. =] And they even have the old SImmons pads in the drum kit. I bet that the clipping in the sound is from him nailing the kick drum on that thing, heheh. Boooom. This tour ruled hard. =]

[sexydominatrix3]

i love this band

[kretankooper]

You put up the masterpieces

[cyolag]

very good i love ministry

[4evernate28]

Who's on drums? Is it Jeff Ward? I ask because it doesn't look like Bill Rieflin...but then again, maybe it does.

[romeodigital]

drool hits keyboard :D

[louisunderwood]

This is great! Thanks for sharing. Is that Ogre sharing guitar and vocal duties?

[scumfuck20x3]

yes

[LASTCRY123]

Wow Wow Wow so pure so real

[d00derman]

Thanks for sharing.

[jessehanson1981]

wtf are they really playing their instruments? it doesn't look like it

[ketaminebean]

its not busted

[Sesquipedaliantique]

My favourite weapon...IS A LOOOOOOK IN YOUR EEEEEEYES!!!!

[etgod]

Wow amazing.

[spacefly2000]

yes indeed best transistion in music styles...from love & happy to fuck & evil.

[mahmut0815]

wow shit

[jerejive]

great vid

[LASTCRY123]

Al is god!!!

[Andre2010]

their change was like duran duran turn into rammstein

[MikMan89]

nope, not that harsh.

With sympathy might have been synth pop, but it wasn't no bubblegum bullshit. It was still dark.

[AustinKronix]

hahah OGRE ON GUITAR!!! WTF?!!!

THIS IS GREAT!!!

REASONS FOR A TIME MACHINE!!!

[stillared]

Fukin' awesome. I saw them about two months after this and it's one of the best memories I have. I begged change on the corner for door money, all five dollars of it!

[friendsofthefruitsof]

where was this venue? i saw this show at mississippi nights back then.

[dyssolve]

I'd kill to be at this show with Ohgre.

[ionia23]

yup, that's him. Imagine the shock of people who had seen him sing "Work For Love" a mere 4 years prior. Now THAT'S comedy!

[Labyrinthman]

Is that Ogre from Skinny Puppy who's playing second guitar ?

[peace0ff]

cool