purgatory is quite a smart idea as there is a poem called limbo which is about a slave ship (black Rock) and about purgatory and the metaphorical concept of it but over all it probably not what the creators were aiming for.
I still feel that the purgatory theory WAS the original real twist, but because fans picked it up so fast, the writers panicked and rewrote what their secret twist was. The first season or two really works with the notion of purgatory, and you can definitely feel a forceful shift away from it in the later seasons, almost as an indication of them trying to veer away from their original intent.
This guy looks really smart but there's just something about the way he speaks that pisses me off, in the end he's not "communicating" any subtext that's clear enough
@roofrack101 Dude- really? you need to seriously rethink that statement. J.J not only created, he wrote and directed episodes of LOST. basically made no contribution to the show after? Get your facts right man
I disagree with the theory of Purgatory is the coolest. It is the most mundane and simple idea. Since most were inclined to believe in the possibility that all were dead. But the director would never make things easier. So I'm surprised to see that the Director said that he found the idea of purgatory just so amazing. It seems like he is enjoying with our face. Since it is obvious that he would create something much more extraordinary that an idea has long explored: purgatory.
The impression I have is that the TV series Lost is like the Bible. There are those who like and dislike. And for all those who saw the series, had different interpretations. And they claim to be correct.
"The survivors are not in purgatory. They are alive and living somewhere in the space-time continuum. " Lost Co creator Damon Lindelof 2006, How some people still think the island was purgatory is beyond me.
"This show is about people who are metaphorically lost in their LIVES, who get on an airplane, SURVIVE a crash on an island, and become physically lost ON THE PLANET EARTH. And once they are able to metaphorically find themselves in their LIVES again, they will be able to physically find themselves in the world again. When you look at the entire show, that's what it will look like. That's what it's always been about." - Lost co-creator Damon Lindelof, IGN interview, January 16, 2006
inherent means base in its nature. incoherant means it is logically flawed and chaotic
a magic island full of crazy people and time travel and nuclear bombs and a smoke monster? you can't exactly make a coherant narrative starting from that
u clearly have never heard of e e cummings. I know sentence structure perfectly well, I just dont choose to employ it because this isnt a fucking high school essay contest
@vtran31 I was merely pointing out the contradictory nature of your fragment, because it was not a sentence. You calling the people who watch a TV show stupid while you yourself do not understand basic sentence structure or spelling.
My theory was (SPOILERS) that the island itself was a gateway to limbo (flash-sideways). Look at it like this, when desmond was in contact with the electromagnatism generated from the island, he was able to go into the flash-sideways. Also John's father came to the island in season 3 i think and said that he "crashed his car" and then *boom* was on the island, who is to say he didn't get taken to the island by Jacob who was able to get him from limbo somehow, using the island. Just a theory
@smokeyhatch14 Did you read what i wrote correctly? I never implied the island was not real. I said that it was a gateway using the electromagnetic energy. I know the island was real. And if you remember correctly Locke's Dad said he was in a car crash instantly before he got to the island, then awoke to see Locke. He did not look like he had been in an accident and was NOT conning them, he believed he was in hell giving him no reason to lie. I said Jacob USED the island to get Anthony there.
@iPlayARG He really did think they were in hell, but he was wrong, we found out he was kidknapped by the others pretending to be paramedics, Ben wanted him to fuck with Locke's head and belittle him, as he felt threatened by Locke as the island healed him and some of the others wanted him as their leader.
@smokeyhatch14 Yeah i know the island was not hell, but the fact he was convinced by it led him to have no reason to lie about his story. But i didn't know of the others pretending to be paramedics? Was that in an episode or an assumption? Because Ben talked of this "Magic Box" on the island which made things come to the island. Said things would have no way of getting there on their own, i.e. Kate's Horse, from Season 2. Which couldn't have been an island hallucination because Sawyer saw it too
@iPlayARG Remember that the Dahrma Initiative brought a lot of wild animals to the island to run experiments on, like the polar bears. Horses have been on the island since long before then. Charles Widmore rode a horse back when he was still the leader of the "Others."
@44excalibur VERY Good point.. LOL I can't believe i didn't notice that. That was in the episode after Daniel died right? He hit Jack on the head when he rode in. But i still think the horse was drawn to Kate somehow. Still doesn't explain my theory about the island bringing people to the island too though (read my most recent comment). Sorry for replying so late, Your comment didn't show up till now.
@iPlayARG Yes, that was around the time Daniel was shot by Eloise, his own mother. As for why ships like the Blackrock keep crashing there, who knows? It seems all of the island's inhabitants are Europeans who came there(by accident?) and no trace of the original inhabitants are left; the ones who built the statue, the temple, and whatever the hell that big pool with the plug that Jack and Desmond had to pull out and replace was. And no problem!
@44excalibur The Original inhabitants I believe are the Hostiles, or 'Others'. As seen in the episode where Jacob and the Man in black are kids, they have been on the island for a VERY, VERY long time.
@RandomBoxTV Do you mean the people that the Man in Black left to go join as a boy, and helped him build "the wheel"? That's possible, but remember that those people came to that island from a ship that crashed there, much like the Blackrock years later. Jacob and MIB's biological mother came from that ship. The question is, where did Jacob and MIB's "adopted" mother come from? The one who killed their biological mom? I think the "original" inhabitants were whoever built the temple and statue.
@iPlayARG NO cooper wasnt lying, he thought they were in "Hell" because he thought Locke had died in a plane crash, but we know he ddnt, The magic box thing was a metaphor by the writers, and a trick by ben, again to make Locke think he knew more about the island than he acctually did. The horse Kate and sawyer saw was The smoke monster.
@smokeyhatch14 Yeah i realise he wasn't lying and about him thinking Locke was dead to lead him to that assumption. Yes the "magic box" was a metaphor, but i don't think Ben was technically lying on this one. But I don't think he understood what he was talking about. Because the Horse was not a manifestation of the smoke monster, it was the island reaching out to her. Many times the island had made things appear out of nowhere in order to get through to the candidates.
the main characters have died, are in a "limbo" before they can "let go" and go into a fucking bright light. bye!! thats every fucking story thats ever been written
not watched this yet. Yes, the island was real. It existed as a real place within a real universe (i.e. the island was real)
However, without watchig this. Purgatory???!!! It was too obvisous, YES. The writers yous choose to continue your legacy, were obvisously fucking limited.
The island was only symbolic of purgatory, because it is connected to the other side, but that's as far as it goes. Everyone who thinks the island was imaginary and they all died in the crash need to pay more attention!
What he said there was very important. "We're doing the story that we're doing", but it can be whatever people want it to be. Especially if the maker(s) themselves don't really know. There doesn't have to be one true account.
People, eveything happened on the island. Now the flash-sideways could be interpreted as a place where everyine goes when they die but the important thing is that they were able to be together with the ones who matter most. Wouldn't you want to be with your parents or friends when you die? These people were lost and flawed, and at the end, they were able to be together.
@123attivo he said the island wasnt purgatory, this wasafter season 1, if you rewatch and look at the evidence its absolutely clear they always intended ending it this way, Ie season 1 ep 1, When locke talks about backgammon with Walt he gives hints to 2 questions, 1.What is the island, LOCKE: Backgammon is the oldest game in the world. Archeologists found sets when they excavated the ruins of ancient Mesopotamia. Five thousand years old. That's older than Jesus Christ. = The garden of eden.
@123attivo And 2How will it end. = The afterlife, The reward for winning the origional version of backgammon..Senet, the game mib and jacob played was ....THE AFTERLIFE.
1) Clearly, the alt was purgatory; fan theory screwed the original plan.
2) Really? Religious debate here? If your argument for/egainst religion fits into this many characters (a debate taken on by centuries and centuries of scholars since the beginning of time), you automatically lose. No winners. But you lose. Does God exist? Whatever your 400 character belief is, I immediately lean the other way despite my extensive education. You lose.
The earliest example of the state which came to be given the name of Purgatory in Christian literature is in the account of the Passion of Saints Perpetua and Felicity, which is from the beginning of the 3rd century. Dinocrates, who has died, is seen to be poorly clothed and in need. Perpetua prays for him, and he is found to be happy and finely clothed.
All those in Purgatory are saved, but they are being prepared for heaven. It is not a "second chance." CCC 1031
The doctrine of Purgatory is a false Gospel, which presumes that prayers PURCHASED from the church by the living, can somehow balance the "merits" (good works) of long dead "saints" against the sins of the unforgiven dead, to atone for them! This iniquitous invention of the Devil, offers a deliverance from the penalty of sin, which is not based on true repentance and which is not taught anywhere in the Bible.
If purgatory is true then the 'catholic' Christ didn't accomplish anything on the cross, wasted his time and died for nothing. The 'catholic' Christ should have hired a pro instead of doing the job himself. The Christ of Christianity is the Pro. He got the job on the cross done right the first time. And.....He did it for free!
@ginnoveffect I am sorry, my friend, but the Christ taught by the roman catholic "church" is not the same Christ of the Bible. God teaches there is only ONE mediator, the rcc says there is another.God says that Christ paid the price for ALL our sins ONCE, the rcc teaches He did not.God says do not make statues of things,yet the rcc is full of idolatry.Christ said HE was the way, the truth and the life, the rcc says that IT is the way, the truth and the life, etc.
@kiwichristian2009 It saddens me that the Flying Spaghetti Monster has not touched you with His noodly appendage. But it will happen someday. May His Noodliness be with you. R'amen.
@bkisme Hahahaha. Idiots wasting time commenting about a show they never watched, which they clearly did NOT understand, it WAS NOT about religion. IMO LOST is unrivalled by any other tv show, but i also thin k religion is the biggest pile of shit ever, so why do i love LOST? Because it was more about spirituality than religion.
@Jemma19 The final episode didn't ruin anything. It just brought a closure to all the themes introduced in season 6 (and 5). Lost didn't suddenly mess up at the end, the mistake was choosing to abandon old storylines/questions in favour of resolving new ones. So as a finale for what the show became, it was brilliant. It just felt oddly removed from the first four seasons.
I still believe in the purgatory theory, but I changed it. I believe it was more like Dante's rings of hell. The alternative universe is simply another test. The first test was the island. The point of it was to determine if they could change their lives for the better. The second test, the alternative universe was meant to determine whether or not they had learned there lesson. Will they repeat and regress into their old selves or move on?
@bstm500 I see why you would think this theory, but there are interviews out from the cast and creators that say differently. The island life was all real, but the flash sideways was purgatory. Its nothing like the rings of hell. You probably already know this considering this comment was made 3 weeks ago.
@bstm500 Purgatory is a man-made money-making thing invented by the unbiblical rcc.Heb1:3 "When He had by Himself PURGED OUR SINS.".Rom8:1 "There is therefor now NO CONDEMNATION to them that are in Christ Jesus.". Psalms49:7 "None of them can redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him.".Dont forget Prov10:12 which never mentions purgatory. Acts4:12"Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
@Rude666 Nope, he isn't retarded, he's absolutely CORRECT. This thing the show's creators have talked about, this "evolving story," is just a spruced up way of saying "We made shit up as we went and we hope to GOD nobody noticed that shit was flying every whichaway, with absolutely no cohesion, and that we intended all along to make this just another nobody-dun-it instead of a who-dun-it because that's easier to write. So, we call the show's fans 'incredibly smart' to kiss their asses." LOL
@Gorshkin111 Stop talking absolute crap, just because you and many other people didnt pay attention/get it dosent mean it was "incoherent" Theres soooooo many clues and hints that PROVE they were NOT "Making it up as they went along" Thats just an excuse those that didnt get it say. Obviously they didnt have the whole story planned out from the beginning, thats just how tv works, but they had the beginning, a middle and an end from day 1, THEY KNEW WHERE THEY WERE GOING.
im confused as to how kate and sawyer died tho.....did the plane LePeitas was flying crash too? if so, why isnt miles in the church at the end or lePitas? i still enjoyed it but that bit is nagging me
@tonybaa83 the people on the plane lived out the rest of there lives and died naturally, ben and hurly stayed protecting the island untill they died "spin off?" in the church kate says to jack "iv waited so long" because she lived her life .its the whole saying "when u die your loved ones are waiting for u" hope that helps
@DeadEnterprise Oops! Sorry about that. Some people who did see it got the whole ending so wrong I just had to correct them. But you're right, for those who haven't seen LOST yet, I'll delete my post. Thanks.
So, If the premise is that the characters involved are in limbo or purgatory then the writers have the creative freedom to put whoever they want in the show. Just like the premise for Star Trek is the future, Lost souls in purgatory or limbo gives the writers an open canvas where anything goes!!! The premise of purgatory is just a means for the writers to make compelling stories that keep the tv viewer watching. Kudos to the writers.Just be happy it kept you entertained, bitches!!!
@ddave00712 Uh no, you got it (somewhat) wrong. Or that article did at least... Everything on the island happened just as it showed, in the real world. Everyone died when they died. The flash sideways is purgatory, a world they created to meet eachother in the afterlife. Basically when someone died on the island they went to the flash sideways. Since this happened on season 6 i wonder if JJ Abrams actually didn't have the purgatory flash sideways planned out then.
The six season shows the characters confronting and resolving their issues, whereas the finale shows them realizing, one by one, their own death and gathering to leave limbo for somewhere .. better. All along the writing misdirected viewers to consider the island's secrets to be paramount, but instead it turns out it was the lives, foibles, weaknesses and strengths of the dead in limbo around which and from which everything, including the machinations of the island, revolved and evolved.
For those people trying to overanalyze the plot , whteher the island was 'real' or not, This about sums it up...from comment in NY Times...
Oceanic Flight 815 did indeed crash and all on board were lost. The series begins as the dead awaken in limbo but unaware of their own deaths. Lost explores each character's former life's baggage while the limbo world surrounds them with it in various clever and interesting ways.
@ddave00712 ..thats wrong, maybe not your quoting but the thing you said. they did not die once they landed on the island, the hydrogen bomb didnt even kill them. In season 6 the 'flash-sideways' (you will understand if you watch the show) was not a alternate reality but a afterlife-flash and the plot should be analyzed its a great script.
@ddave00712 Well that's not what the Finale said at all so whoever wrote that obviously had their own interpretation, which is not the general consensus.
Sorry, but you obviously misunderstood the finale. The finale never said that the island was purgatory; everything that happened on the island was real. It was only the flash-sideways reality in the final season which depicted what the characters' lives would be like if the plane never crashed that was an illusion. It was a limbo that they all created for themselves so that they could all find each other in the afterlife.
@44excalibur Yeah, cause that makes SOO much more sense. Face it, the shows creators had no idea what they were doing, or how to tie the whole stupid plot together and whipped the ending out of their ass.
@doomdood183 Well, J.J. Abrams left the show after the third season, so who knows what would've happened if he stayed. But the point is that everything that happened right up to when Kate, James(Sawyer), Claire, Miles, Richard Alpert, and Frank Lapidus fly off the island, Hugo(Hurley) inherits the island and makes Ben Linus his assistant, and Jack dies in the jungle is all the real world. The alternate world where no one ever crashed on the island was the afterlife they all created.
@44excalibur yeah, but why didn't he leave them any directions? he could have mapped out where the show could go from there, but he left them hanging out in the wind....personally I think they all should have just died and been trying to get to the afterlife or whatever.
@doomdood183 Because after Abrams left, the show pretty much belonged to Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse, and they charted the show's direction from there. J.J. was busy making movies and developing Fringe for FOX.
@doomdood183 Damon Lindeloff was the Main creator, Abrams left half way through season 1, and they knew from the pilot episode exactly how it would end Locke-"Backgammon is the oldest game in the world...two sides ..one is dark(Mib) one is light (Jacob) The reward for winning backgammon??? THE AFTERLIFE.
@smokeyhatch14 Really? In the credits it lists him as being involved with the series at least until the start of season three, when he started doing movies.
Exactly....if you pay attention to what some of the various characters have said at various points ( especially Sayid and later hugo). Sayid telling kate that they shouldn't have survived. hugo telling Jack while he was suppposedly back on the mainland that they never got off the island that they were all dead. naiomi telling miles there are a number of dead people residing on the island..
the most interseting thing to me is How John Locke telling jack that he had looked into the eye of the island with in the 1st 5 episodes of the 1st season. As we learn in season 6 in across the sea only Jacob MIB and the crazy woman who raised them had looked into the eye/heart of the island. So how the hell could Locke have already looked into the eye/heart already when only jacob could have lead john to it. The survivors all thought it was just a regular island initially
no locke was not chosen to be the new jacob. it was jack who volunteered to be the new jacob for a little bit before passing it to hugo. i think that the scenes where locke seemed to either have one white eye and one black whas actually MIB posing as locke
@darrelincanada When I say "chosen" I mean like it was meant to be him but because he died it had to be Jack. The smoke man tried to convince people that Locke was not special, just a sucker who got used, but it's clear he was no normal person. His mother was hit by a car while pregnant with him and he still survived, also he was the only one from flight 815 that knew about what the island was and everything.
I think originally the creators and writers wanted to include some form or purgatory that they had to mask it from the viewers. We the viewers, changed the way the show was written. I think if the community were not as involved in solving and analyzing the show, the show would have been predictable and ended a long time ago.
yes they are in purgatory and this obviously confirms the rumours (now that lost is finished) that the writers NEVER had an ending and were just going with the flow. so some viewer who came up with that theory basicly wrote the ending of lost.
@Laugh0rDie You are so right... and the discussion board at ABC's LOST site has been aflame for past 3 weeks with fans bitter about how rapidly this season went to hell especially with Across the Sea, and then the further nonsensical "Why they Died" where they gather round the campfire and in 30 seconds invalidate 5 years worth of seeking .... not to mention never answer "why DID sun and jin die?"... A crying shame how poorly this season was conceived and series wrapped. sad.
here is what the producers said roughly, we've always had a rough skeleton story for the show a beginning middle & end. We didn't know how much of a hit lost would be & if it would survive its first season, as time went on we expanded on the rough skeleton due to having 6 seasons to complete the show.
There were times when things were changed eg Ben was only meant to feature on 3 episodes yet became a main character, but overall the major plot has remained consistent
Sure the ending changed i'd say as die-hard fans had predicted the more obvious ways of how the show would end that would have been seen as ''copping-out'' had it gone ahead (all were brilliant theories with plenty of evidence eg the time loop)
If you ask me Jacob & MIB probably weren't meant to appear at all, there is VERY similar traits & scenes between MIB/Jacob & Locke/Jack in the first season
@spoty212 that the island was actually purgatory and the Losties in the island are souls that need to purge their own demons to ascend into heaven.. if they don't.. they descend to hell
the purgatory theory is the idea that the losties are dead and are in a heaven/earth realm, where they must stay until they accomplish a personal goal they didn't do in their previous life.
@darrelincanada they were in purgatory. they needed to meet with one another in order to move on. Purgatory is like a trial you need to complete to get into heaven. Limbo is just where you go when you die when you don't believe in god.
Actually I googled it and it appears you are mostly right as pertains to the lost characters. Limbo was for those souls from the old testament predating Jesuses price to cancel original sin and unbaptied infants. So now my question is.. how could Aaron be on the island if the island represents purgatory. He should be in limbo while claire is in purgatory
@darrelincanada The island is neither limbo or purgatory. the afterlife which was throughout season six was purgatory (which is was i thought you were referring to). However Aaron was baptized by Mr. Echo in season two. so there never was any limbo in lost
@mylifeisablur When I was looking up the difference between purgatory and limbo.. one of the things that was mentioned about purgatory.. was that it is a teating ground to see if a soul/spirit is worth of heaven. Seems to me that everyone on the island was being tested. So yes the island rather then the alternate time line IS purgatory
Have you seen the video about the Island in Islam. There is an Island talked about in the ocean. Referenced by Prophet Muhammad. Check out the HotConflict LOST videos.
I bet that the characters go back in time and are responsible for many of the coincidences and incidents on the Island (and maybe even before they got to the island).
(For example, Locke is considered "special" by the others, in part because he told richard so in the past)
The "man of science, man of faith" dilemma is central, and the lesson will be that "you make your own luck". They cannot escape their destiny but they created it in the first place.
i think you may well be right i heard a comment the other day that the fourtoed statue will be of sawyer, as he stepped on something and it came to nothing for now, but this gut hypothesised that his toe would have to come off and his heroic actions will be lauded enough to make a statue.
the poetic lesson you speak off seems definitely central to all the stories, thank you :)
no, locke is special because jacob says so. if he was just special because he self-prophesized himself in some way, jacob wouldnt have given him dreams and said help me and healed him.
1) Locke is likely the only person other than Ben that has come to Jacob's cabin in a long time (hence "help me"). Jacob could have forseen that Locke was the most likely candidate to "help" his as a CONSEQUENCE of him being considered a new leader by the others.
Jacob heals other people. E.g. Rose (and maybe Ben as a child).
We don't know who jacob is. Maybe jacob is jack, or locke himself, or someone else who came in contact with Locke during his time-travels.
jacob is definitely not any of the Losties. Ben would not have tried to kill Locke, or treated the other Losties like he has if one of them were the great Jacob.
locke is special because although the island heals others, it choses who it heals. like when ben got a tumor and was slow to heal. plus, the island brought locke back from the dead. if thats not special, i dont know what is.
He imprisons jacob with the ash circle, Jacob doesn't talk to him, and when Locke is asked to move the island, Ben tries to replace him, thus disobbeying Jacob.
I'm just throwing the Idea out there. It's not impossible.
@xzMrxSpoofzx actually your wrong christian shepard is the smoke monster technically...since mib is smokie and smokie is locke and locke admitted to jack that he also took the form of his father...so everyone thumbing you up and your wrong atleast on a technicality anyway lol
@Project811 same thing!!! and without stating it as a technacality you sound like a retard christian was not the smoke monster you gobshite thats not what i said
@Laugh0rDie Actually Christian wasn't the smoke monster nor was MIB or Locke.. They were forms that the smoke monster usurped to create havok amongst the survivors. And since it could only borrow the forms of presumably already dead people It could borrow anyone...John Locke died after landing on the ground from 8 stories up by Anthony Cooper. Jacob brought him back to life. Locke wasn't breathing before jacob touched him
@darrelincanada ok your right tbh it sickens me to give this show further analysis it was a soap opera nothing more (thats what it turned out to be anyway)
Of course it is and was...and if i werer analysing the show I would have held forth on analogies and subtexts and so on.. but all i was doing was discussing what is there and how the writers were adept enough to use the tool of misdirection ( ok that was analysis)
purgatory is quite a smart idea as there is a poem called limbo which is about a slave ship (black Rock) and about purgatory and the metaphorical concept of it but over all it probably not what the creators were aiming for.
vZynq 1 month ago
I still feel that the purgatory theory WAS the original real twist, but because fans picked it up so fast, the writers panicked and rewrote what their secret twist was. The first season or two really works with the notion of purgatory, and you can definitely feel a forceful shift away from it in the later seasons, almost as an indication of them trying to veer away from their original intent.
eji313 1 month ago
GENIUS!!
HorizontalShuffle 1 month ago
This guy looks really smart but there's just something about the way he speaks that pisses me off, in the end he's not "communicating" any subtext that's clear enough
DanielRodd 1 month ago
Why is JJ there, he only created the show and basically made no contribution to the show after that.
roofrack101 2 months ago
@roofrack101 Dude- really? you need to seriously rethink that statement. J.J not only created, he wrote and directed episodes of LOST. basically made no contribution to the show after? Get your facts right man
dimarie2421 1 month ago
I disagree with the theory of Purgatory is the coolest. It is the most mundane and simple idea. Since most were inclined to believe in the possibility that all were dead. But the director would never make things easier. So I'm surprised to see that the Director said that he found the idea of purgatory just so amazing. It seems like he is enjoying with our face. Since it is obvious that he would create something much more extraordinary that an idea has long explored: purgatory.
oandarilhocinzento 2 months ago
Simplifying the Director said, "You fans of the series, are very smart! It's got great ideas and amazing theories. But we'll keep you rolling"
oandarilhocinzento 2 months ago
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The impression I have is that the TV series Lost is like the Bible. There are those who like and dislike. And for all those who saw the series, had different interpretations. And they claim to be correct.
oandarilhocinzento 2 months ago
"The survivors are not in purgatory. They are alive and living somewhere in the space-time continuum. " Lost Co creator Damon Lindelof 2006, How some people still think the island was purgatory is beyond me.
smokeyhatch14 4 months ago
"This show is about people who are metaphorically lost in their LIVES, who get on an airplane, SURVIVE a crash on an island, and become physically lost ON THE PLANET EARTH. And once they are able to metaphorically find themselves in their LIVES again, they will be able to physically find themselves in the world again. When you look at the entire show, that's what it will look like. That's what it's always been about." - Lost co-creator Damon Lindelof, IGN interview, January 16, 2006
smokeyhatch14 4 months ago
also inherently incoherant is not an oxymoron
inherent means base in its nature. incoherant means it is logically flawed and chaotic
a magic island full of crazy people and time travel and nuclear bombs and a smoke monster? you can't exactly make a coherant narrative starting from that
thus, Lost is inherently incoherant
vtran31 4 months ago
u clearly have never heard of e e cummings. I know sentence structure perfectly well, I just dont choose to employ it because this isnt a fucking high school essay contest
and I was being facetious, regardless
vtran31 4 months ago
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yea lost fans are idiots who try to explain every detail of a flawed and inherantly incoherant story
vtran31 4 months ago
@vtran31 "Lost Fans are idiots"
"Inherently"
"Incoherent"
My job here is done.
akline666 4 months ago
@akline666 lol what??
vtran31 4 months ago
@vtran31 I was merely pointing out the contradictory nature of your fragment, because it was not a sentence. You calling the people who watch a TV show stupid while you yourself do not understand basic sentence structure or spelling.
akline666 4 months ago
JJ. Abrams on the Purgatory Theory: "It isn't REALLY what it is.."
THEN WHAT IS IT? >:O
TheWarcraftchick 6 months ago
@TheWarcraftchick The island was REAL.
smokeyhatch14 4 months ago
My theory was (SPOILERS) that the island itself was a gateway to limbo (flash-sideways). Look at it like this, when desmond was in contact with the electromagnatism generated from the island, he was able to go into the flash-sideways. Also John's father came to the island in season 3 i think and said that he "crashed his car" and then *boom* was on the island, who is to say he didn't get taken to the island by Jacob who was able to get him from limbo somehow, using the island. Just a theory
iPlayARG 7 months ago
@iPlayARG Lockes dad was clearly brought to the island by the others, he did not die until Sawyer Strangled him, THE ISLAND WAS REAL.
smokeyhatch14 4 months ago
@smokeyhatch14 Did you read what i wrote correctly? I never implied the island was not real. I said that it was a gateway using the electromagnetic energy. I know the island was real. And if you remember correctly Locke's Dad said he was in a car crash instantly before he got to the island, then awoke to see Locke. He did not look like he had been in an accident and was NOT conning them, he believed he was in hell giving him no reason to lie. I said Jacob USED the island to get Anthony there.
iPlayARG 4 months ago
@iPlayARG He really did think they were in hell, but he was wrong, we found out he was kidknapped by the others pretending to be paramedics, Ben wanted him to fuck with Locke's head and belittle him, as he felt threatened by Locke as the island healed him and some of the others wanted him as their leader.
smokeyhatch14 4 months ago
@smokeyhatch14 Yeah i know the island was not hell, but the fact he was convinced by it led him to have no reason to lie about his story. But i didn't know of the others pretending to be paramedics? Was that in an episode or an assumption? Because Ben talked of this "Magic Box" on the island which made things come to the island. Said things would have no way of getting there on their own, i.e. Kate's Horse, from Season 2. Which couldn't have been an island hallucination because Sawyer saw it too
iPlayARG 4 months ago
@iPlayARG Remember that the Dahrma Initiative brought a lot of wild animals to the island to run experiments on, like the polar bears. Horses have been on the island since long before then. Charles Widmore rode a horse back when he was still the leader of the "Others."
44excalibur 4 months ago
@44excalibur VERY Good point.. LOL I can't believe i didn't notice that. That was in the episode after Daniel died right? He hit Jack on the head when he rode in. But i still think the horse was drawn to Kate somehow. Still doesn't explain my theory about the island bringing people to the island too though (read my most recent comment). Sorry for replying so late, Your comment didn't show up till now.
iPlayARG 4 months ago
@iPlayARG Yes, that was around the time Daniel was shot by Eloise, his own mother. As for why ships like the Blackrock keep crashing there, who knows? It seems all of the island's inhabitants are Europeans who came there(by accident?) and no trace of the original inhabitants are left; the ones who built the statue, the temple, and whatever the hell that big pool with the plug that Jack and Desmond had to pull out and replace was. And no problem!
44excalibur 4 months ago
@44excalibur The Original inhabitants I believe are the Hostiles, or 'Others'. As seen in the episode where Jacob and the Man in black are kids, they have been on the island for a VERY, VERY long time.
RandomBoxTV 2 months ago
@RandomBoxTV Do you mean the people that the Man in Black left to go join as a boy, and helped him build "the wheel"? That's possible, but remember that those people came to that island from a ship that crashed there, much like the Blackrock years later. Jacob and MIB's biological mother came from that ship. The question is, where did Jacob and MIB's "adopted" mother come from? The one who killed their biological mom? I think the "original" inhabitants were whoever built the temple and statue.
44excalibur 2 months ago
@iPlayARG No problem! My theory has always been that the island is sitting on a pocket of dark matter, but what do I know? :P
44excalibur 2 months ago
@iPlayARG NO cooper wasnt lying, he thought they were in "Hell" because he thought Locke had died in a plane crash, but we know he ddnt, The magic box thing was a metaphor by the writers, and a trick by ben, again to make Locke think he knew more about the island than he acctually did. The horse Kate and sawyer saw was The smoke monster.
smokeyhatch14 4 months ago
@smokeyhatch14 Yeah i realise he wasn't lying and about him thinking Locke was dead to lead him to that assumption. Yes the "magic box" was a metaphor, but i don't think Ben was technically lying on this one. But I don't think he understood what he was talking about. Because the Horse was not a manifestation of the smoke monster, it was the island reaching out to her. Many times the island had made things appear out of nowhere in order to get through to the candidates.
iPlayARG 4 months ago
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CptCryBaby 7 months ago
the main characters have died, are in a "limbo" before they can "let go" and go into a fucking bright light. bye!! thats every fucking story thats ever been written
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dpboyle20 7 months ago in playlist Lost 2
not watched this yet. Yes, the island was real. It existed as a real place within a real universe (i.e. the island was real)
However, without watchig this. Purgatory???!!! It was too obvisous, YES. The writers yous choose to continue your legacy, were obvisously fucking limited.
They went with religion.
dpboyle20 7 months ago in playlist Lost 2
JJ Abrams, Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse are Genius.
smokeyhatch14 9 months ago 2
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1. heaven can wait
2. Lord of the Flies
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MyImpressionz 11 months ago
The island was only symbolic of purgatory, because it is connected to the other side, but that's as far as it goes. Everyone who thinks the island was imaginary and they all died in the crash need to pay more attention!
CosmicUndeadElf 11 months ago 19
@CosmicUndeadElf tottaly agree.
smokeyhatch14 9 months ago
What he said there was very important. "We're doing the story that we're doing", but it can be whatever people want it to be. Especially if the maker(s) themselves don't really know. There doesn't have to be one true account.
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Youbian 1 year ago
People, eveything happened on the island. Now the flash-sideways could be interpreted as a place where everyine goes when they die but the important thing is that they were able to be together with the ones who matter most. Wouldn't you want to be with your parents or friends when you die? These people were lost and flawed, and at the end, they were able to be together.
smsman1 1 year ago
the show ended with the purgatory platform. either he had no idea at this point the way the show was going to end or he decided later to go with it.
123attivo 1 year ago
@123attivo he said the island wasnt purgatory, this wasafter season 1, if you rewatch and look at the evidence its absolutely clear they always intended ending it this way, Ie season 1 ep 1, When locke talks about backgammon with Walt he gives hints to 2 questions, 1.What is the island, LOCKE: Backgammon is the oldest game in the world. Archeologists found sets when they excavated the ruins of ancient Mesopotamia. Five thousand years old. That's older than Jesus Christ. = The garden of eden.
smokeyhatch14 9 months ago
@123attivo And 2How will it end. = The afterlife, The reward for winning the origional version of backgammon..Senet, the game mib and jacob played was ....THE AFTERLIFE.
smokeyhatch14 9 months ago
1) Clearly, the alt was purgatory; fan theory screwed the original plan.
2) Really? Religious debate here? If your argument for/egainst religion fits into this many characters (a debate taken on by centuries and centuries of scholars since the beginning of time), you automatically lose. No winners. But you lose. Does God exist? Whatever your 400 character belief is, I immediately lean the other way despite my extensive education. You lose.
furiousdan 1 year ago
they screwed up.
Duphe 1 year ago
The earliest example of the state which came to be given the name of Purgatory in Christian literature is in the account of the Passion of Saints Perpetua and Felicity, which is from the beginning of the 3rd century. Dinocrates, who has died, is seen to be poorly clothed and in need. Perpetua prays for him, and he is found to be happy and finely clothed.
All those in Purgatory are saved, but they are being prepared for heaven. It is not a "second chance." CCC 1031
jlarson88 1 year ago
The doctrine of Purgatory is a false Gospel, which presumes that prayers PURCHASED from the church by the living, can somehow balance the "merits" (good works) of long dead "saints" against the sins of the unforgiven dead, to atone for them! This iniquitous invention of the Devil, offers a deliverance from the penalty of sin, which is not based on true repentance and which is not taught anywhere in the Bible.
hoffabrando 1 year ago
@hoffabrando HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
MrJohnnyazn 1 year ago
purgtory is part of dante's inferno. So is other theory.
EncikShogun 1 year ago
If purgatory is true then the 'catholic' Christ didn't accomplish anything on the cross, wasted his time and died for nothing. The 'catholic' Christ should have hired a pro instead of doing the job himself. The Christ of Christianity is the Pro. He got the job on the cross done right the first time. And.....He did it for free!
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@kiwichristian2009 Catholics are Christians too you know.
ginnoveffect 1 year ago
@ginnoveffect I am sorry, my friend, but the Christ taught by the roman catholic "church" is not the same Christ of the Bible. God teaches there is only ONE mediator, the rcc says there is another.God says that Christ paid the price for ALL our sins ONCE, the rcc teaches He did not.God says do not make statues of things,yet the rcc is full of idolatry.Christ said HE was the way, the truth and the life, the rcc says that IT is the way, the truth and the life, etc.
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@kiwichristian2009 It saddens me that the Flying Spaghetti Monster has not touched you with His noodly appendage. But it will happen someday. May His Noodliness be with you. R'amen.
ginnoveffect 1 year ago
Hahahah. Idiots wasting time watching a show about a religious fallacy.
bkisme 1 year ago
@bkisme I'm Atheist. But I still loved this show. And how it ended.
strutnoodle 1 year ago 3
@strutnoodle me too.
smokeyhatch14 9 months ago
@bkisme Hahahaha. Idiots wasting time commenting about a show they never watched, which they clearly did NOT understand, it WAS NOT about religion. IMO LOST is unrivalled by any other tv show, but i also thin k religion is the biggest pile of shit ever, so why do i love LOST? Because it was more about spirituality than religion.
smokeyhatch14 4 months ago
Keybord solo.
ssj19 1 year ago 2
The final episode destroyed the amazingness of the whole series.
Eamon 1 year ago
@Eamon : so true...The final was ridiculous.
Jemma19 1 year ago
@Jemma19 The final episode didn't ruin anything. It just brought a closure to all the themes introduced in season 6 (and 5). Lost didn't suddenly mess up at the end, the mistake was choosing to abandon old storylines/questions in favour of resolving new ones. So as a finale for what the show became, it was brilliant. It just felt oddly removed from the first four seasons.
red157 1 year ago
@red157 Its a MYTH that lost "abandoned old storylines/questions"
smokeyhatch14 4 months ago
Little did we know...
Boonitic 1 year ago
It was purgatory in the end. Well kind of
Squarehead29 1 year ago 2
God is the only way,truth and life
footymad346 1 year ago
The lost writers should have stuck with the purgatory theory instead of stuffing the whole plot up
Tehui1974 1 year ago
I still believe in the purgatory theory, but I changed it. I believe it was more like Dante's rings of hell. The alternative universe is simply another test. The first test was the island. The point of it was to determine if they could change their lives for the better. The second test, the alternative universe was meant to determine whether or not they had learned there lesson. Will they repeat and regress into their old selves or move on?
bstm500 1 year ago
@bstm500 I see why you would think this theory, but there are interviews out from the cast and creators that say differently. The island life was all real, but the flash sideways was purgatory. Its nothing like the rings of hell. You probably already know this considering this comment was made 3 weeks ago.
fxsaberboy 1 year ago
@bstm500 Purgatory is a man-made money-making thing invented by the unbiblical rcc.Heb1:3 "When He had by Himself PURGED OUR SINS.".Rom8:1 "There is therefor now NO CONDEMNATION to them that are in Christ Jesus.". Psalms49:7 "None of them can redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him.".Dont forget Prov10:12 which never mentions purgatory. Acts4:12"Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
why were/are people so hung up on the Purgatory idea???
The flash sideways just made it worse, they made up their minds that it was purgatory and it wasnt going to be anything else.
The flash sideways seemed more like a fever dream than anything else.
ValisX 1 year ago
interesting!
prisonshadows 1 year ago
LIE
tinkizm21 1 year ago
Ant thats, my friends, is JJ Abrams lying.
tifaucz 1 year ago 2
@tifaucz Why does this guy say JJ is lying and has 7 thumbs up? Are people really this retarded?
Rude666 5 months ago 11
@Rude666 Nope, he isn't retarded, he's absolutely CORRECT. This thing the show's creators have talked about, this "evolving story," is just a spruced up way of saying "We made shit up as we went and we hope to GOD nobody noticed that shit was flying every whichaway, with absolutely no cohesion, and that we intended all along to make this just another nobody-dun-it instead of a who-dun-it because that's easier to write. So, we call the show's fans 'incredibly smart' to kiss their asses." LOL
Gorshkin111 5 months ago
@Gorshkin111 Stop talking absolute crap, just because you and many other people didnt pay attention/get it dosent mean it was "incoherent" Theres soooooo many clues and hints that PROVE they were NOT "Making it up as they went along" Thats just an excuse those that didnt get it say. Obviously they didnt have the whole story planned out from the beginning, thats just how tv works, but they had the beginning, a middle and an end from day 1, THEY KNEW WHERE THEY WERE GOING.
smokeyhatch14 4 months ago
im confused as to how kate and sawyer died tho.....did the plane LePeitas was flying crash too? if so, why isnt miles in the church at the end or lePitas? i still enjoyed it but that bit is nagging me
tonybaa83 1 year ago
@tonybaa83 the people on the plane lived out the rest of there lives and died naturally, ben and hurly stayed protecting the island untill they died "spin off?" in the church kate says to jack "iv waited so long" because she lived her life .its the whole saying "when u die your loved ones are waiting for u" hope that helps
innotime2008 1 year ago 3
@innotime2008 actually that does make sense. thanks!!!!!
tonybaa83 1 year ago
@tonybaa83 it's LAPIDUS
Paraesmic 1 year ago
@Paraesmic LaPenis?
tonybaa83 1 year ago
@tonybaa83 they died later not right then like hurley for example probably lived more then a hundred years after that because was the new jacob
Project811 1 year ago
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44excalibur 1 year ago 17
@44excalibur SHH, some ppl haven't seen Lost yet, don't ruin shit
DeadEnterprise 1 year ago
@DeadEnterprise Oops! Sorry about that. Some people who did see it got the whole ending so wrong I just had to correct them. But you're right, for those who haven't seen LOST yet, I'll delete my post. Thanks.
44excalibur 1 year ago
So, If the premise is that the characters involved are in limbo or purgatory then the writers have the creative freedom to put whoever they want in the show. Just like the premise for Star Trek is the future, Lost souls in purgatory or limbo gives the writers an open canvas where anything goes!!! The premise of purgatory is just a means for the writers to make compelling stories that keep the tv viewer watching. Kudos to the writers.Just be happy it kept you entertained, bitches!!!
ddave00712 1 year ago
@ddave00712 Uh no, you got it (somewhat) wrong. Or that article did at least... Everything on the island happened just as it showed, in the real world. Everyone died when they died. The flash sideways is purgatory, a world they created to meet eachother in the afterlife. Basically when someone died on the island they went to the flash sideways. Since this happened on season 6 i wonder if JJ Abrams actually didn't have the purgatory flash sideways planned out then.
parabola27 1 year ago 6
The six season shows the characters confronting and resolving their issues, whereas the finale shows them realizing, one by one, their own death and gathering to leave limbo for somewhere .. better. All along the writing misdirected viewers to consider the island's secrets to be paramount, but instead it turns out it was the lives, foibles, weaknesses and strengths of the dead in limbo around which and from which everything, including the machinations of the island, revolved and evolved.
ddave00712 1 year ago
For those people trying to overanalyze the plot , whteher the island was 'real' or not, This about sums it up...from comment in NY Times...
Oceanic Flight 815 did indeed crash and all on board were lost. The series begins as the dead awaken in limbo but unaware of their own deaths. Lost explores each character's former life's baggage while the limbo world surrounds them with it in various clever and interesting ways.
ddave00712 1 year ago
@ddave00712 ..thats wrong, maybe not your quoting but the thing you said. they did not die once they landed on the island, the hydrogen bomb didnt even kill them. In season 6 the 'flash-sideways' (you will understand if you watch the show) was not a alternate reality but a afterlife-flash and the plot should be analyzed its a great script.
Project811 1 year ago 3
@ddave00712 Well that's not what the Finale said at all so whoever wrote that obviously had their own interpretation, which is not the general consensus.
DjNemes1s 1 year ago
Sorry, but you obviously misunderstood the finale. The finale never said that the island was purgatory; everything that happened on the island was real. It was only the flash-sideways reality in the final season which depicted what the characters' lives would be like if the plane never crashed that was an illusion. It was a limbo that they all created for themselves so that they could all find each other in the afterlife.
44excalibur 1 year ago 56
@44excalibur Yeah, cause that makes SOO much more sense. Face it, the shows creators had no idea what they were doing, or how to tie the whole stupid plot together and whipped the ending out of their ass.
doomdood183 7 months ago
@doomdood183 Well, J.J. Abrams left the show after the third season, so who knows what would've happened if he stayed. But the point is that everything that happened right up to when Kate, James(Sawyer), Claire, Miles, Richard Alpert, and Frank Lapidus fly off the island, Hugo(Hurley) inherits the island and makes Ben Linus his assistant, and Jack dies in the jungle is all the real world. The alternate world where no one ever crashed on the island was the afterlife they all created.
44excalibur 7 months ago
@44excalibur yeah, but why didn't he leave them any directions? he could have mapped out where the show could go from there, but he left them hanging out in the wind....personally I think they all should have just died and been trying to get to the afterlife or whatever.
doomdood183 7 months ago
@doomdood183 Because after Abrams left, the show pretty much belonged to Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse, and they charted the show's direction from there. J.J. was busy making movies and developing Fringe for FOX.
44excalibur 7 months ago
@doomdood183 Damon Lindeloff was the Main creator, Abrams left half way through season 1, and they knew from the pilot episode exactly how it would end Locke-"Backgammon is the oldest game in the world...two sides ..one is dark(Mib) one is light (Jacob) The reward for winning backgammon??? THE AFTERLIFE.
smokeyhatch14 4 months ago
@44excalibur Acctually JJ Abrams left after the first 8 episodes of season 1,
smokeyhatch14 4 months ago
@smokeyhatch14 Really? In the credits it lists him as being involved with the series at least until the start of season three, when he started doing movies.
44excalibur 4 months ago
@44excalibur He was still an executive, but played no active role after half of season 1, Carlton Cuse Joined to replace him.
smokeyhatch14 4 months ago
@smokeyhatch14 That lazy ass! LOL J.J. also seems to be taking his sweet time with the next Star Trek movie.
44excalibur 4 months ago
@ddave00712
Exactly....if you pay attention to what some of the various characters have said at various points ( especially Sayid and later hugo). Sayid telling kate that they shouldn't have survived. hugo telling Jack while he was suppposedly back on the mainland that they never got off the island that they were all dead. naiomi telling miles there are a number of dead people residing on the island..
darrelincanada 1 year ago
@ddave00712
the most interseting thing to me is How John Locke telling jack that he had looked into the eye of the island with in the 1st 5 episodes of the 1st season. As we learn in season 6 in across the sea only Jacob MIB and the crazy woman who raised them had looked into the eye/heart of the island. So how the hell could Locke have already looked into the eye/heart already when only jacob could have lead john to it. The survivors all thought it was just a regular island initially
darrelincanada 1 year ago
@darrelincanada Probably because he was chosen to be the new Jacob, the island probably showed him where it was... or something
CosmicUndeadElf 11 months ago
@CosmicUndeadElf
no locke was not chosen to be the new jacob. it was jack who volunteered to be the new jacob for a little bit before passing it to hugo. i think that the scenes where locke seemed to either have one white eye and one black whas actually MIB posing as locke
darrelincanada 10 months ago
@darrelincanada When I say "chosen" I mean like it was meant to be him but because he died it had to be Jack. The smoke man tried to convince people that Locke was not special, just a sucker who got used, but it's clear he was no normal person. His mother was hit by a car while pregnant with him and he still survived, also he was the only one from flight 815 that knew about what the island was and everything.
CosmicUndeadElf 10 months ago
@darrelincanada you are absolutely right
darrelincanada 10 months ago
I think originally the creators and writers wanted to include some form or purgatory that they had to mask it from the viewers. We the viewers, changed the way the show was written. I think if the community were not as involved in solving and analyzing the show, the show would have been predictable and ended a long time ago.
thearaban 1 year ago 4
yes they are in purgatory and this obviously confirms the rumours (now that lost is finished) that the writers NEVER had an ending and were just going with the flow. so some viewer who came up with that theory basicly wrote the ending of lost.
they writers copped out !!!!
Laugh0rDie 1 year ago 2
@Laugh0rDie You are so right... and the discussion board at ABC's LOST site has been aflame for past 3 weeks with fans bitter about how rapidly this season went to hell especially with Across the Sea, and then the further nonsensical "Why they Died" where they gather round the campfire and in 30 seconds invalidate 5 years worth of seeking .... not to mention never answer "why DID sun and jin die?"... A crying shame how poorly this season was conceived and series wrapped. sad.
quicksite 1 year ago
@quicksite yeah i kinda lost interest half way thru this season aswell
Laugh0rDie 1 year ago
@Laugh0rDie
here is what the producers said roughly, we've always had a rough skeleton story for the show a beginning middle & end. We didn't know how much of a hit lost would be & if it would survive its first season, as time went on we expanded on the rough skeleton due to having 6 seasons to complete the show.
There were times when things were changed eg Ben was only meant to feature on 3 episodes yet became a main character, but overall the major plot has remained consistent
tvrulesnation 1 year ago
@Laugh0rDie
Sure the ending changed i'd say as die-hard fans had predicted the more obvious ways of how the show would end that would have been seen as ''copping-out'' had it gone ahead (all were brilliant theories with plenty of evidence eg the time loop)
If you ask me Jacob & MIB probably weren't meant to appear at all, there is VERY similar traits & scenes between MIB/Jacob & Locke/Jack in the first season
tvrulesnation 1 year ago
WHATS THE PERGUATORY THEORY??
spoty212 2 years ago
@spoty212 that the island was actually purgatory and the Losties in the island are souls that need to purge their own demons to ascend into heaven.. if they don't.. they descend to hell
kuyarey2k9 2 years ago
the purgatory theory is the idea that the losties are dead and are in a heaven/earth realm, where they must stay until they accomplish a personal goal they didn't do in their previous life.
plasticfelinerodent 2 years ago
Errmm.... that they're in Purgatory?
janetzki1 2 years ago
@janetzki1
no they were in Limbo which is quite different from purgatory
darrelincanada 1 year ago
@darrelincanada What's the difference?
janetzki1 1 year ago
@janetzki1
the difference on what?
darrelincanada 1 year ago
@darrelincanada they were in purgatory. they needed to meet with one another in order to move on. Purgatory is like a trial you need to complete to get into heaven. Limbo is just where you go when you die when you don't believe in god.
mylifeisablur 1 year ago
@mylifeisablur
Actually I googled it and it appears you are mostly right as pertains to the lost characters. Limbo was for those souls from the old testament predating Jesuses price to cancel original sin and unbaptied infants. So now my question is.. how could Aaron be on the island if the island represents purgatory. He should be in limbo while claire is in purgatory
darrelincanada 1 year ago
@darrelincanada The island is neither limbo or purgatory. the afterlife which was throughout season six was purgatory (which is was i thought you were referring to). However Aaron was baptized by Mr. Echo in season two. so there never was any limbo in lost
mylifeisablur 1 year ago
@mylifeisablur When I was looking up the difference between purgatory and limbo.. one of the things that was mentioned about purgatory.. was that it is a teating ground to see if a soul/spirit is worth of heaven. Seems to me that everyone on the island was being tested. So yes the island rather then the alternate time line IS purgatory
darrelincanada 1 year ago
@mylifeisablur
that should read testing not teating
darrelincanada 1 year ago
What is the theorie he though was cool?
feelerr 2 years ago
The purgatory theory
FRANCISDFG 2 years ago
Have you seen the video about the Island in Islam. There is an Island talked about in the ocean. Referenced by Prophet Muhammad. Check out the HotConflict LOST videos.
HotConflict 2 years ago
J.J is really hot.
DONTBRINGDAVID 2 years ago
for a hobbit :)
LA3226 2 years ago
i feel like jj abrams has nothing to with LOST tho. Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse are the true geniuses behind the show.
WhySoGr33n 2 years ago 2
Yeah, hopefull JJ will at least write on and direct the final episode
lvl100pokemans 2 years ago
JJ stopped working on Lost after season 1, I believe. That's what he said on Jimmy Kimmel a few weeks ago.
seraphinapandora 2 years ago 3
and it's been confirmed that jack bender will direct the final episode. Well deserved in my opinion.
jbunpluggedrock 2 years ago 20
jack bender was part of the ALIAS team as well^^ that's awesome!!!!!
(i love both lost & ALIAS)
sydtz47 2 years ago
well that's wrong. he's the exec producer.
GoHiltyGo 2 years ago
He said he stopped after season one. I don't care either way, as long as it's good.
seraphinapandora 2 years ago
Thank you for the video!
JJAbramsVideos 2 years ago
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MyYuToobAccount 3 years ago
I hope you meant to be funny cause I laughed my ass off!
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xzMrxSpoofzx 2 years ago
does anyone have the whole of this like interview thing
would really apreciate it thanks
woah182 3 years ago
I bet that the characters go back in time and are responsible for many of the coincidences and incidents on the Island (and maybe even before they got to the island).
(For example, Locke is considered "special" by the others, in part because he told richard so in the past)
The "man of science, man of faith" dilemma is central, and the lesson will be that "you make your own luck". They cannot escape their destiny but they created it in the first place.
Any opinions?
Paulginz 3 years ago 2
i think you may well be right i heard a comment the other day that the fourtoed statue will be of sawyer, as he stepped on something and it came to nothing for now, but this gut hypothesised that his toe would have to come off and his heroic actions will be lauded enough to make a statue.
the poetic lesson you speak off seems definitely central to all the stories, thank you :)
outled 3 years ago
no, locke is special because jacob says so. if he was just special because he self-prophesized himself in some way, jacob wouldnt have given him dreams and said help me and healed him.
WhySoGr33n 2 years ago
It's a possibility, However:
1) Locke is likely the only person other than Ben that has come to Jacob's cabin in a long time (hence "help me"). Jacob could have forseen that Locke was the most likely candidate to "help" his as a CONSEQUENCE of him being considered a new leader by the others.
Jacob heals other people. E.g. Rose (and maybe Ben as a child).
We don't know who jacob is. Maybe jacob is jack, or locke himself, or someone else who came in contact with Locke during his time-travels.
Paulginz 2 years ago
jacob is definitely not any of the Losties. Ben would not have tried to kill Locke, or treated the other Losties like he has if one of them were the great Jacob.
locke is special because although the island heals others, it choses who it heals. like when ben got a tumor and was slow to heal. plus, the island brought locke back from the dead. if thats not special, i dont know what is.
WhySoGr33n 2 years ago
Ben doesn't seem to like jacob that much.
He imprisons jacob with the ash circle, Jacob doesn't talk to him, and when Locke is asked to move the island, Ben tries to replace him, thus disobbeying Jacob.
I'm just throwing the Idea out there. It's not impossible.
Rose and Jin were also healed by the island.
Paulginz 2 years ago
christian is not jacob christian shepard or possiblly the smoke monster which he is hinted to be a lot is the one who told locke to move the island
xzMrxSpoofzx 2 years ago 5
you mean Jack´s father?
enginecof 2 years ago
@xzMrxSpoofzx actually your wrong christian shepard is the smoke monster technically...since mib is smokie and smokie is locke and locke admitted to jack that he also took the form of his father...so everyone thumbing you up and your wrong atleast on a technicality anyway lol
Laugh0rDie 1 year ago
@Laugh0rDie no the smoke monster was Christian Sheppard, not the other way around
Project811 1 year ago
@Project811 same thing!!! and without stating it as a technacality you sound like a retard christian was not the smoke monster you gobshite thats not what i said
Laugh0rDie 1 year ago
@Laugh0rDie no thats different, the way you said it christian sheppard was the smoke monster before his body came to the island
Project811 1 year ago
@Project811 no!! thats how you interpetited it !!!!!!!!!!!1
Laugh0rDie 1 year ago
@Laugh0rDie thats wat my comment says that he is the smoke monster reread it plz
xzMrxSpoofzx 1 year ago
@Laugh0rDie Actually Christian wasn't the smoke monster nor was MIB or Locke.. They were forms that the smoke monster usurped to create havok amongst the survivors. And since it could only borrow the forms of presumably already dead people It could borrow anyone...John Locke died after landing on the ground from 8 stories up by Anthony Cooper. Jacob brought him back to life. Locke wasn't breathing before jacob touched him
darrelincanada 1 year ago
@darrelincanada ok your right tbh it sickens me to give this show further analysis it was a soap opera nothing more (thats what it turned out to be anyway)
Laugh0rDie 1 year ago
@Laugh0rDie
Of course it is and was...and if i werer analysing the show I would have held forth on analogies and subtexts and so on.. but all i was doing was discussing what is there and how the writers were adept enough to use the tool of misdirection ( ok that was analysis)
darrelincanada 1 year ago
u were right!!
kuuku88 2 years ago