The only way for any European country to hold its position in the world as a Great Power is to Unite. Then not only becoming a great power but a Superpower , a Superpower able to stand tall against American agression and Chinese Totalitarianism
In unseren Köpfen ist fälschlich ein Bild einer freien Welt aufgebaut. Dies ist nicht die Wirklichkeit. Marx hat die Anleitung zum Aufbau des dritten Reiches ausgearbeitet, der Hitler und Stalin haben es in Praxis umgesetzt. Im Ostblock wurde die sozialistisch , kommunistische Idee der Diktatur des dritten Reiches in Praxis umgesetzt , die EU -Kloake wird einheitlech dazu umgebaut. 2012 wird dies Offenbart und so wird die freie Scheinwelt in unseren Köpfen untergehen.
Barusso is right to keep up the strong-arm tactics against the UK and its veto... he needs to push home all the pro's of the EU argument, and how the UK economy benefits from the EU.
That way, he will prove ever more to we the UK electorate that Cameron was right. The EU is a FAILURE
3:45 its a very successful experiment.... its an experiment, but not successful anymore.
also if you look what happened to greece or italie´s leaders (not that i am a fan of berlusconi). bureaucrats from brussels replaced democratic elected leaders...
Unique??!! Hardly you are morphing into the EUSSR. You Mr Barroso are an unelected President. A former passionate Maoist. Your 20 plus autocrats are mostly post communist and also unelected.A Politburo whilst Brussels are the Supreme Soviet paper pushers at your behest. The founders were former Nazis and the recent IMF Lagaarde admitted sovereignty of nations must be ceeded for economic unity. You are a liar imposing technocrats on sovereign democracies.
Unique??!! Hardly you are morphing into the EUSSR. You Mr Barroso are an unelected President. A former passionate Maoist. Your 20 plus autocrats are mostly post communist and also unelected.A Politburo whilst Brussels are the Supreme Soviet paper pushers at your behest. The founders were former Nazis and the recent IMF Lagaarde admitted sovereignty of nations must be ceeded for economic unity. You are a liar imposing technocrats o sovereign democracies.
thank you europe .!! for not accepting our (turkey's) membership to the union ,,,,, although we knowcked door for many years you just rejected ...otherwise we would collapse all together.. wishing good luck to european friends in this mess ;)...
@istanbultravellers Turkey was not accepted because Turkey does not recognize Cyprus. You can't negotiate with someone that does not recognize the existence of ALL the member states. Period. good luck Turkey.
Time to resign for Barosso, with his "leadership" he destroyed Europe within 10 years. And now he comes up with eurobonds. LMFAO.. means we would all get a CC status. From AAA to CC.. that's probably what we always wanted when we got ourselves into the EU. Fuck the EU.
Congratulations you have managed to do the Greek people to hate who is not Greek. Soon not wonder if you are all unwelcome in Greece.something else. For us Greeks, you'll always barbarians. because as they said and my ancestors. who is not Greek, a barbarian.
@sikjes123 Yes the Greek people blame their vote, while he knows how useless and thief. And the Greek people will send them to the gallows with the charge of high treason, against the Greek people.
bs a non-imperial empire is a contradiction on its own theyre right that they dont decide what the empire does those decisions are made by the international bankers
FUCK JOSE MANUAL BARROSO AND FUCK THE GLOBALISTS AND THEIR ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT OF GOVERNING COMMUNIST ELITES,
FUCK OFF OUT OF AUSTRALIA JOSE MANUAL BARROSO AND FUCK YOUR DEAD HORSE COMMUNIST ALLY JULIA GILLARD AND STICK YOUR CARBON PRICING SCHEME UP YOUR ASS AND MEASURE YOUR OWN CARBON OUTPUT YOU FILTHY COMMUNIST GAY FUCK
Barroso:Suerte manteniendo calma en Mercados contra shorters-especuladores ( ahora contra Italia para tratar derrumbar Euro ) , un HedgeFund (Jana) quiere comprar S&P=absurdo!, exije un cambio total en Credit Rating Agencies ( cobran comision de las mismas empresas que clasifican=tecnicamente fraude) , EU-USA tienen que restructurar esto=Independientes ! se comenta que los HedgeFunds-shorters van a ir ahora contra America-Sur-Centro para distraer de Murdoch-NewsCorp! unionyenergia.blogspot.com
..the EU are now bankrupt...They want ALL EU member states (euro or not) to contribute a tiny percentage of stealth tax ..VAT increase ...to the EUbank account to solve this mess.....THIS IS ILLEGAL..In the Lisbon Treaty if they start interfering with member tax policies , that member (country) must have a REFERENDUM if they want to LEAVE the EU!!! Write (dont text or email) WRITE to your MPs and demand this , or threaten to bring this to court. Please pass this message on, for all our sakes X
I suggest 1/1000 time and space buying assets within europe and keeping it for 40 years. Rules can always be changed. Moral before. We don't need trillion Chinese in our landscape.. to pay off Chinese debts. African should use condoms.
Again as telepath.. Barosso wants to be a Napoleon. He favour the French approach. When it comes to finances. I like the North European approach. Calvanism, sober, sparing. Not walking in the gutter.. with your vision made up mule, that doesn't seem to fit anyone.
EU doesn't have borders. That's what we understand, they've got weak knees. They don't tell Turkey to go fuck off for instance. Instead they give loots of money to all countries that don't deserve it. So nobody knows where the EU stands for, but it does seem to have a lot of money (not, everybody knows). We're a poor continent, thanks to the eurozone.
@Spenner56 This was a quicky. Letting insovable countries in a eurozone. Causes them to export less and blocks all their economical growth. Let it rot for a while.. and tattaaah.. result. A fucked up Europe. Great coocking.
Barroso:The neocon's media in USA is already attacking Lagarde : yesterday by a reporter in WashingtonPost, Schneider, who switches every day between rumouring the collapse of the Euro and the EU while never mentioning the corrupt illegal double standard of the 3 big Credit Rating Agencies that promoted the 2008 Financial Disaster by giving AAA ratings to junk mortgages/swaps for fees and now supports their attack against the Euro and EU, so Lagarde must expect constant neocon attacks,shame !
The global economy focus of Revelation 18 will be ruled over by the world dictator known as the Antichrist. By the way, the Antichrist comes out of the EU, the precursor to the revived Roman Empire, and will control the buying and selling of the world in the last days, Revelation 13:16, 17. China will join with the Antichrist to stop the Messiah, Jesus Christ from coming back to the earth, Revelation 16:13-16.
@NetherDrakeye I don't think he was referring to true Communism which is actually pure equality and a stateless society. I think he was referring to Communism in the Soviet definition. The EU is a capitalist super state but it acts and makes legislation and destroys democracy just like the Soviets did. I think that is what he was trying to say. Freedom for all around the globe! Human rights for all, not just the rich!
Unique..... Because this empire was created without arms. But everyone knows. EVery empire has itsdown fall. Imagine people thinking the Roman empire would fall at its height. Would have laughed. This evil shit will fall. one day.
more developed than what they are admitting today. Just keep in mind that the Eurofighter was developed in the 1980ies.... that airplane is now 30 years old and they are being used since the beginning of the 1990ies. What is being developed right now? we will know in 30 years.
proven beyond doubt that when you learn 2 or more languages, your memory becomes broader, or more sensitive to remember things. Theres a really study done on this that resulted in this fact.
It would boost human rendability and it would force a excuse to further fund education. Something many countries in the world today, need more off.
I cant hardly imagine that european countries were once in total war.
Whenever I see a european whether hes from france, austria, germany, uk, theyre like totally similar.
They only bark differently compared to one another. And I think we should have a european language. For 2 causes. Firstly iit will enable easier talking, and theirfore economic trafficing. It would require us to learn 2 languages by default. I think this idea isnt far fetched. The other cause is that scientific studies have
@Armigo91 That is quite possible,we can have a language which remembers to each citizen that the great majority of this cultures(which we will want to preserve) are the fruits of one single culture,what I mean is the reconstruction of proto indo european as the official EU language,the other cultural traits of that culture will be impossible to rebuild,I believe language is more than sufficient.
To really unite the EU,the return to the past in some areas is the best solution.
@Armigo91 European language is impossible and people wont accept it because they like their own language and will not want to lose that piece of culture.. Besides people in Europe are not similar at all, just look at Greece for example.. Why do you think they are bankrupt? Because they work untill they are like 50 years? Here in The Netherlands we work untill we're fucking 65. Now thats a huge difference isnt it? EU has Slavic, Latin and Germanic people, differences are too big to be similar..
Having a language of unification(in my choice,the proto indo european,the source of slavic,latin,germanic languages) doesn´t mean the end of national languages,we can retain the best parts of our past while advancing into the future.
@ViriathusVingathor Still the pure Indo European language doesnt even exist anymore, so why bring it back.. Besides there are also countries in Europe that speak a language that isnt coming from Indo european .. Hungarian Finnish Greek Maltese to call some examples. Besides, why go back to a language that nobody speaks? Im proud to speak my own unique language (Dutch) and its something of my culture, shows the unique differently cultures in Europe. I say no to a language of unification.
A question of legitimacy,and as a remembrance,of common origins of our many cultures.
Hungarian,Finnish(greek comes also from indo european)we can´t please all,at least we can please the great majority.
You are proud of speaking dutch,and what do you think,it will uphold that language and culture,disunity or unity in Europe,may the first thrive,and its likely that your descendants will end solely speaking chinese,russian,or english.
@ViriathusVingathor All im saying is, I do want to unify Europe but it isnt necessary to make on purpose a language of it. You could also live along eachother if you speak different languages.Take a look in The Netherlands for example, here we have Frisian people who speak Frisian, which is a different language then Dutch. Frisian people live perfectly along the Dutch and thats also what we need in Europe. All different cultures and languages to be proud of, learn to live with eachother to unify
we are ruled by reptils .. about the real problem nobody is speaking .. our communitysystems are damaged for many decades .. the German SPD was bringing this toxin inside the communitysystems.
Some part of cooperation between the countries, yes, but not total domination by the EU. Lets get out of the EU, they are forcing immigration. We had enough! Get out now!
Normal people??? He gets payed more than most people on the planet.. Like most politicians and state leaders it would not have any effect on his life if the economy goes APE SHIT!! Like it more or less has already.. Democracy is truly an illusion!! Just think about it.. How many times do YOU get the chance to vote about anything? I guess they know whats "best" for us...
Doesnt matter though, EU population is much larger then USA thus their government doesnt have the money to waste on things like military, as the US does. This is why USA military, unfortunately, is almost 5 times larger then the whole 27 nations that make EU combined.
@taurenmilkco USAF is by far the best airforce & best equipped airforce in the world.
US navy is by far the largest & best equipped navy on earth.
Though Europe has more personell, US military expendiature is 4 times larger then EU's, our military technology is decades ahead of yours, only England [who buys much of US weponry] is technologically close to USA & by close i mean f-35, which is still $hit compared to our F-22 & x-45 [& derivatives].
@prjerry7 Please note: Eurofighter. Eurocopter. EUROFOR. The Challenger-2 and Leopard 2. The ability to annihilate the US economy without effort. Twice the ideological support the US gets. Four times the operational efficiency. Most modern assault rifles in the world. The ability to disable half the US's nuclear arsenal. Almost every US serviceman's weapons were developed in Belgium, Switzerland, Austria, or Germany. England has less tech than most EU countries.
Also; USA has more working nuclear weapons then the whole European continent, more satellite power then the whole Euro continent. Notice, im comparing 1 nation with a whole continent [your more populous then us]. Many European states also buy US weaponry. Also, if US economy is destroyed, China & Europe will come tumbling down [result of globalized economy]
EU military isnt big enough for military operations like the current in Iraq/Afghanistan, most of your tax $ goes to free healthcare [good].
@prjerry7 Note: The EU has a larger civilian space program. The US satellites do not support europe, and Europe is smaller and requires less satellites. Nuclear weapons cannot be used in a normal combat situation; more than half of the US nuclear arsenal is useless since it would be blowing up an already-dead world, while Europe has enough nukes to blow up the earth just once.
European states do buy US weaponry, but mostly the trade is from the EU to the US.
@taurenmilkco Im sorry if i sound ignorant but i dont see the significance of a civilian space program, USA still has far more satellite power then the whole continent of Europe combined, including Russia.
Half of US nuclear arsenal is more then what the European continent has & more then enough to destroy the world [cold war crap, i dont c y we made so much].
USA is capable of destroying most of EU's nuclear arsenal. EU's nuclear missile-defense is & has always been very dependent on USA.
@prjerry7 Civillian sattelites can easily be used to crash into military ones, or be converted for a military purpose. In general, the EU space program receives more funding.
Everyone always, ALWAYS mentions nuclear weapons, even though they can't be used as the entire world would just blow itself up.
If the US launches missiles at the EU, the EU launches missiles back simultaneously- only a quarter of each side's missiles would have to arrive to annihilate both countries.
@taurenmilkco US has the capasity & technology to prevent most EU missles from entering US airspace, EU in the other hand mostly depends on US missle defence/technology to defend itself from possible nuclear warfare.
USA still has MUCH more satellite power then the whole continent of Europe combined, & our military expendiature is still 4 times larger then the whole continent of Europe combined [im not proud of that].
@taurenmilkco EU’s population is much larger then USA’s, you do have more land though thus you may be right on EU not needing as much satellites.
Every nation depends on another except for undeveloped agriculture based nations & marginalized nations like Cuba or N. Korea.
If EU nations disappeared USA, China & most nations exports would plumit, the same goes if USA disappears. If China disappeared our exports would plummet but industrialization in 3rd world countries would boom.
@taurenmilkco imo it is neccesary to a certain level if they want their common interests taken care of. USA has a huge military expenditure but we cant over-stretch it, USA left Libyan airzone clearance in the hands of England & France, USA is already in debt due to many things including their Iraq/Afghanistan efforts. EU also couldnt have the military projects USA currently has in the middle east, USA+EU are stronger together.
I did not even compare them, I just pointed out why the Eu does not need the US.
US expenditure is so large because they import weapons from Belgium, Austria, Germany, and Switzerland, and only occasionally develop their own small arms, increasing costs.
Germany has the most cutting-edge army in the World.
England has an underdeveloped military compared to the Western EU states, they do, however, win when it comes to tanks.
@taurenmilkco the world is globalized, materials for US wepons come from all over the world, not just European states. Materials for European states weponry & Chinese weponry, aswell as Russian, come from all over the world, not just from the European continent.
This has NOTHING to do with technology. F-22 is more advanced then any European aircraft. M1 Abram is more costly/advanced then any European tank. B-2 bomber is more advanced/expensive then any EU bomber, the list goes on & on.
F-22 was a failure,its production was cancelled, Abrahams is more costly due to the integrated systems it has attached,as a tank Leopard 2 is considered the best tank ever produced even by US experts,you have better bombers,but we have much better submarines like the undetectable Gottemburg class,we also have the best snipers,and machineguns which are exported even to the US,as the best AA weaponry said to be capable to detect and destroy any flying object.
@ViriathusVingathor USAF has enough F-22 to destroy any airforce on earth, also note; F-22 was cancelled due to costs, not because it failed as an airsuperiority fighter. RAAF, which had classified info on eurofighter & f-22 proclaimed F-22 as undoubtedly superior.
Its controversial [due to classified information] to which nation has the best tank in the world, many European experts claim the M1 due to its advanced technology interface [more so then L2], what is for sure is that M1costs more
And I should remember that we have several industrial military complexes,not a single one,so most those weapons were produced just with one EU country tech, EU invests just 1.2% to 2% of its GDP in the military,US spends 4% to 5 %,and we already dominate in many areas and with our outdated equipment,we have almost more active troops than the US,China,Russia combined,with mobilization and further investment we have enough troops and material to pursue any objective we trace.
@ViriathusVingathor Many EU nations are in chaos & in the brink of bankrubt, i doubt EU could pay to fight a war like the current one without US air. Their current effort, which is miniscule in comparison with USA, has raised many of their members national debt to unsustainable points [gov. spends allot on things like healthcare]. EU cant even make its own missle defence system in s.e. block.
EU also cant produce a 5th gen. fighter while USAF has already flown X-45 & derivatives.
EU invests very little in defense comparing to what it would be capable,as it has no immediate conventional menaces,still we have the best weaponry in most fields,to think EU is dedicated in Afghanistan is naive,no one gives a damn about that war,its not even secondary matter to address.
EU has no 5th generation fighter, as EU regarding airforce favored a defensive(cheaper and smarter for EU goals) doctrine until 2020, with the medium ranged EF thyphoon,considered the best multirole in the world,specially in the role of a interceptor,said to be more than able to compete with any 5th generation fighters,and is 2 (depends of the sources) times cheaper per unit ,than the raptor.
@ViriathusVingathor Russia, China & even India have 5th generation fighters, the last two arent militaristic nations.
You cant claim that the Eurofighter is the best multirole fighter, military aircrafts have classified information. What we do know about these aircrafts [includes raffael & f-35] is that today, the only 5th generation multirole fighter is the f-35 [has MUCH more capabilities then EF, according to experts]. Even England decided to have F-35's in its arsenal.
@prjerry7 For what I read those anti warhead tests were a utter failure,not even were able to stop slow missiles,which is pathetic,if there is an nuclear attack there is no chance to stop it,and the most recent ICBMs,have´systems that detect interceptions,and change trajectory if necessary.
You are right about the satellites, EU satellite coverage will be enhanced in the coming years,with the galilleo project,a system that will be incorporated in european satellites,several times more precise than the US developed GPS.
Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning developed In the JSF ( a joint project of the US and some EU countries) it still undergoing test flights,it still to be known if it is reliable.
It might be another failure,if it is not it most likely will be far better than the partially stealthy EF,a fighter that will also protect the EU air.
EU even sold the EF,and the Leopard II(copied in China Type-99) to unreliable countries,such as Saudi Arabia,and others,which in turn might sell them secretly to countries such as China,thats a proof that the EF and the Leopard II do not represent a tip of the military technological knowledge EU has.
@ViriathusVingathor F-22 isnt what i would call a failuse. F-22, according to most experts, including Europeans, is the best air superiority fighter EVER. The program was cut because of costs but USAF has more then enough F-22's to disable any airforce on earth.
USAF, like always, is keeping secrets. Their f-35 program is small in comparison with what they usually buy, my bet is 6th generation fighters derived from x-45 program.
@prjerry7 england is cooperating with the EU (anyway a part of the EU to) to build the Eurofighter Typhoon. They have plans to purchase more than 200 Eurofighters within the next 8 years.
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anyway, we do not know what the military is doing. the real weapons are kept as secret for generations. What the EU is building and flying today, we will know in 0-30 years. And yes, the eurofighter is being sold to many countries outside the EU and i belive it is because the EU have airplains that are
@BelijaNero US has already test flown manless stealth fighters derived from X-45 program, i dont want to know what the US military is hiding. I have a felling F-22 stopped being produced for more then just high costs.
Afghanistan and mostly Iraq were both unpopular moves mostly Iraq,a giant shame,so EU peoples support is very low.
If the US economy was destroyed EU and China would suffer mostly financially, but they would be far from collapsing as they are the 2 main world centers of industrial production, economies that never fall beyond a certain level.
@ViriathusVingathor Chinas economy was built on US consumption, EU's economy mostly depends on US consumption. If US economy failed, TRUST ME, EU/China would lose more then just finance. The economy is globalized, its that simple. If any giant economic giant, like Japan, had troubles, consumption would drop & global crisis begin. A few US citizens couldnt pay their morgage in 2008 & global crisis began, now Greece & Spain are in chaos because of its ripple
@ViriathusVingathor i personally think EU would disintegrate before it, as a whole, collapses economically. If Germany were to have the same problems as Greece today, EU would likely disappear [even though German economic problems would send shockwaves around the world like USA in 08].
The capitalistic free market system depends on you selling to me & viceversa, if any big economy falls, it will take all of its partners down with it.
@prjerry7 "EU doesnt have the money to waste on things like military, as the US does." the USA's economy is in BIG trouble as you may know. They import by far more then export, so they spent more then they earn which is a huge problem for their economy. Fact is, USA is know loaning money from the rest of the world to compare that lose. But the problem only gets bigger because the dept is getting higher and they still spent more then they earn. Your gov is dumb to spent that much
@bordkrijt dont confuse private sector with public. USA is capitalist, the governments does NOT keep the economy running. In fact, in 1949 USA national debt was much larger then what it is today. The fact is USA economy [grows almost 2% annually] is out competing Eurozone [grows around .1% annually].
If US government wants to cut its debt it simply has to cut its huge spending [i prefer on military].
Also, if any economy is in trouble its Eurozone [thanks to Greece, Spain, Italy, etc.etc.etc.]
@prjerry7 you have no idea what you are talking about.. Look at the price of the dollar.. and get your 101 of Economics going..!! Americans are still living because they are printing the reserve currency, thats the only thing that keeps you alive.. USA is an economy of consumption and is hardly producing anything anymore!! Only shit the world doenst need..but people will eventually get tired of it.. its a matter of time..USA is history kid..!!
@Blankito2007 Your a fool if you really think that. I'm not an american, but I don't think you grasp the nature of america. What does it mean to you when the leader of the IMF is in an american prison, greece is on the verge of defult (soon portugal then irland), Russia is selling hydro to China instead of Eu, france and germany are devided, Turkey is in a state of denile, and the middle-east is has sprung up on your doorstep. And surprise; the world bank is going to pick up the peices.
The real question is; Who will pay the most for american military intervention, (you know that their the only military game in town, right?), when the real problems start for the countries in the curent EU... Maybe you really don't get it, but I'd expect even a smart strain of ecoli to see what you cant.
@yellowhue30 Well your pretty much missing the point. But i don't expect americans, nor canadians to not feel like a superpower anymore. You guys are getting butt fucked on daily dosage! And all the facts you were pointing out i almost agree on, but it doesn't change the fact that the US is going down, the dollar is going down! The world is laughing at you, following a prick, the world doesn't know anything about. Germany is devided? Uh.. haha..
@yellowhue30 see yellowhue and prjerry7,I'm an American living in Germany, and i can tell you that the 'attitude' of Blankito is quite common here.Sometimes when you're introduced to people, say you're from the states, they bring up bombing right away. I counter this by saying yeah we bombed the shit out of Germany, too.But the vitriol of Blank's comments, is an example of the extreme nature of anti-Americanism in Germany and Europe today, in many areas. But stills many good things about Germany
@Blankito2007 USA nominal gdp is $14 trillion [largest of ANY nation], this is all about US production/ownership, this titan economy which the US controls can only be eliminated with competition, it wont fall for a long time [like any other post-modern economy :D].
US economy is the consumer of the world & your right its consumer-expansion is unsustainable, but your stupid to think this will derail US hyperpower status. EU, China & most of the world's economies DEPEND on US consumption.
@prjerry7 I see, i don't debate with economists here. USA is the largest debtor nation in the world. The debt is higher than the GDP. So what are you talking about? And I'm from Germany, our exports to the USA are not that significant anymore,since we were focussing on the markets of the future. The US is consuming themselves to death with credit.And they're doing this since 1995. And to be honest, if there would be european rating agencies this shithole would have been downgraded long time ago!
@Blankito2007 USA national debt per capita was much larger in 1949 then today, USA is accustomed to debt. How can government lower this debt? More tax, less spendings, etc., there are multiple options we have taken in the past which can work today.
USA economy is more advanced then any European economy in the world.
Also, global markets depend on eachother, if USA suffers so will the rest of the world, look at 2008.
USA gdp growth is outcompeting EU including Germany C:
US economy is far more undeveloped than central European and northern European economies,US today depends on the strength of the dollar when the dollar stops being the world reserve currency US economy falls titanically acquiring its real value,and not its speculative value,and to reinforce this claim it shouldn´t be forgotten USA is the only country in the west that didn´t signed of the Kyoto protocol,due to the immense consequences that would have on its economy.
@ViriathusVingathor im ok if you try 2 compare Chinas economy to USA but EU economy is insulting;
EU economy is also very dependent on its reserve & speculative status. EU's central economies have a larger debt to gdp ratio then USA, ALL of EU's largest economies have a larger debt to gdp ratio then USA & NONE, including Germany [EU bull] have gdp growth as fast as USA;
@prjerry7 It is not comparable to the speculative value of the US economy,who holds the WB,and the IMF main Headquaters in its territory.
Obviously if the EU does like the USA and China and starts consuming oil its productivity will rise titanically.,EU has more debt,but its also known that EU has a greater capacity to repay its debt, being by 2020 a booming economy,maybe holding 1000 M people by 2100,while US will continue indebted for decades to come.
@ViriathusVingathor EU can't consume more oil because its too expensive in most EU nations & its ALWAYS been that way, oil prices is determined by demand & offer here & in EU.
I wouldn't say EU has a better capacity of pay'ng debt since per capita EU economy is smaller then USA & we spend much more or things like military then the rest of the world [sadly].
Your speculations on EU economy in 2020 or 2100 are not realistic.
I will admit EU economies are more stable & less dependent on oil then US
@prjerry7 Its more expensive,because EU buys it from Russia,unlike the US,whom has it in its own territory(which adds a lot to the GDP)and has it so cheap by blackmailing Saudi Arabia/others,with military might,something EU doesn´t do as its not a militaristic power,despite it could perfectly be.
We are far less dependent on oil,and that is worth trillions in prejudices per year,as renewable sources are currently far less efficient(cost/expenditure) than oil,by 2020 not only we already recover,we might be booming,and we already have cut 30% of our emissions.
@ViriathusVingathor I dont see what makes you think EU dependence on oil would make it stronger, if anything your independence from oil has made EU more competitive [yet still weak growth].
EU not militaristic? EU's largest powers have all helped in rather the Iraq war or the Afghanistan war, unfortunately EU can't afford such a war & with their little effort theiv gotten into large debt, EU's biggest economy's ALL have larger debt to gdp ratio then USA. EU's economy has been slowing, what boom?
@prjerry7 Because obviously oil is far more effective,in other words it generates far more energy with much cheaper structural costs.
Its not because EU sends some hundreds of soldiers here and there while EU could send millions that makes EU militaristic.
And you are crazy if those thousands of troops had any influence in our debt,sometimes you seem to believe EU is like a desert,while its almost the contrary, half of the US is a desert,while EU has no deserts.
@ViriathusVingathor Also, i personally hope USA follows Germany's trail & puts lots of cash on renewable energy to become more independent from foreign oil, this is kind of a counterbalance because when this happens the demand for oil will go down, the supply will stay thus prices will drop thus more Americans will be enticed to use cheap fossil fuels.
A problem is USA gov. can't spend much now on these projects since weve got all of this debt for many reasons, wars being the least util.
I also hope US and China starts spending more on renewable energy sources,and progress in that area, EU and Japan alone will not solve this vital issue,we need everyone,we just have this planet,if we cripple it,we are all doomed.
@ViriathusVingathor many will suffer with global warming but im sure humans will survive & im 100% sure nature will survive, check out global temperature & co2 levels in the Triassic.
@prjerry7 That debt is in great part towards other EU countries,this is mostly a internal affair,with worldwide consequences.
What boom despite the crisis Germany is growing 4 % a year,imagine a european federation with german/nordic infraestructure,what the EU attempts to accomplish, do you think it would not grow titanically,it will take time but thats what is going to happen sooner or later.
@ViriathusVingathor Germany's infrastructure is mostly renewable energy, this is good because it makes them less dependent on Russia. Still Germany's going to have some problems; they recently shut off some nuclear plants for dumb scares sparked from fukushima in japan, now their buying lots of energy from France.
Also Germany gdp grew a mere .4% at the end of 2010, their economy is growing MUCH slower then USA, i know your source is wikip. but try tradingeconomics. com, its valid
What a pile of bullcrap . "non - imperal impire " yeah right ! what about Yugoslavia Borosso you imperialistic pig ..... I cant belive people actually listen to this without laughing ....
Europe needs a new empire like the Roman Empire. We should conquer Asia again like our forefathers did - especially the lands the muslims stole from us - such as Roman Egypt, Roman Syria etc. Europe will rise and dominate again, it's only a matter of time. If we stick together, there is nothing we can't do.
At the moment, the EU is still a pussy state. But it'll evolve into a superpower soon. Europe will conquer the whole Eurasia - it's in our history. From Alexander the Great, to the Roman Empire, to the British Empire. Europe is built to rule. The new European empire is coming, and all shall be in awe of it. We'll conquer mecca and destroy the kaaba and in its place put a pole with the European flag. God Bless Europe
@GP850mAh You know what? I am done argueing! You will no change your mind and I know what I'm talking about.
You are indeed a funny man though,saying the EU is one of the most democratic organisations on Earth!
You may believe that the EU is good and all it wants is to do good, but I tell you that the EU are masters of propaganda. And if Norway joins the EU, then may God help us all! Thank you and goodbye!
@GP850mAh Nothing to do with the Soviet Union, you say? watch?v=bM2Ql3wOGcU
The President is not elected by the people. The European paralament does't dised a shit except how much money they are going to take from us and the only difference is that the EU didn't begin with an army, but look! They are making one now!
Answer me this dear youtubers. What is it that unites european nations these days ? Is it the ideology or is it the wealth ? I think if it wasn't for the money the ideology would collapse. On the other hand ideology is always first because it is being created in human mind . Wealth is the result of ideology.
@GP850mAh LOL You obviously don't know much about Norway! Sceptism hasn't shrinked in Norway, it has raised by 10%! And soon UK will leave the EU!
And we still got on other country in it! And Norway has the 4th best economy by trade in all of Europe!
The EEC trade agreemeant is good enough! The only thing about Iceland leaving is that we feel sorry for our Nordic brother being lured into a new Sovit Union!
I doubt Iceland will get much help from joining the EU!
The only way for any European country to hold its position in the world as a Great Power is to Unite. Then not only becoming a great power but a Superpower , a Superpower able to stand tall against American agression and Chinese Totalitarianism
bigtyppi 23 hours ago
before he was President of the European Commission, he did lot of shit in my country <.<
laracroftleon 5 days ago
Lord of the Flies
totiflosz 2 weeks ago
bitte übersetzen
In unseren Köpfen ist fälschlich ein Bild einer freien Welt aufgebaut. Dies ist nicht die Wirklichkeit. Marx hat die Anleitung zum Aufbau des dritten Reiches ausgearbeitet, der Hitler und Stalin haben es in Praxis umgesetzt. Im Ostblock wurde die sozialistisch , kommunistische Idee der Diktatur des dritten Reiches in Praxis umgesetzt , die EU -Kloake wird einheitlech dazu umgebaut. 2012 wird dies Offenbart und so wird die freie Scheinwelt in unseren Köpfen untergehen.
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obizin 1 month ago
Do I hear drums playing in the background?
Corvin666 1 month ago
Barusso is right to keep up the strong-arm tactics against the UK and its veto... he needs to push home all the pro's of the EU argument, and how the UK economy benefits from the EU.
That way, he will prove ever more to we the UK electorate that Cameron was right. The EU is a FAILURE
LeamingtonSteve 1 month ago
@LeamingtonSteve You are a failure, by not believing the ideals of the EU... Traitor!
obizin 1 month ago
@obizin ha ha Ok believe what you like
LeamingtonSteve 1 month ago
3:45 its a very successful experiment.... its an experiment, but not successful anymore.
also if you look what happened to greece or italie´s leaders (not that i am a fan of berlusconi). bureaucrats from brussels replaced democratic elected leaders...
thats the wrong way
kurosawa71 1 month ago
very very good
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Unique??!! Hardly you are morphing into the EUSSR. You Mr Barroso are an unelected President. A former passionate Maoist. Your 20 plus autocrats are mostly post communist and also unelected.A Politburo whilst Brussels are the Supreme Soviet paper pushers at your behest. The founders were former Nazis and the recent IMF Lagaarde admitted sovereignty of nations must be ceeded for economic unity. You are a liar imposing technocrats on sovereign democracies.
arcanus121 2 months ago
Unique??!! Hardly you are morphing into the EUSSR. You Mr Barroso are an unelected President. A former passionate Maoist. Your 20 plus autocrats are mostly post communist and also unelected.A Politburo whilst Brussels are the Supreme Soviet paper pushers at your behest. The founders were former Nazis and the recent IMF Lagaarde admitted sovereignty of nations must be ceeded for economic unity. You are a liar imposing technocrats o sovereign democracies.
arcanus121 2 months ago
thank you europe .!! for not accepting our (turkey's) membership to the union ,,,,, although we knowcked door for many years you just rejected ...otherwise we would collapse all together.. wishing good luck to european friends in this mess ;)...
istanbultravellers 2 months ago
@istanbultravellers Turkey was not accepted because Turkey does not recognize Cyprus. You can't negotiate with someone that does not recognize the existence of ALL the member states. Period. good luck Turkey.
brakaduun 2 months ago
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tuosai 2 months ago
massone di merda
ComandantePardo 2 months ago
@Kenobazaar
Of course they have,its needed to go back in history enough time to realize it.
ViriathusVingathor 3 months ago
I would really like to see The United States of Europe! I pray for that.
aleterra 3 months ago
@aleterra wouw, really? even if you know that the eu is only a political class and not really a democracy?
I would like to see it too.. but first the whole way it works there has to change
inspirationisntevery 3 months ago
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scarymary2k8 2 months ago
ROMAN EMPIRE
12 Stars = 12 Caesars
thone2008 3 months ago
WHERE IS THE GUILLOTINE? THIS BARROSO NEEDS A GUILLOTINE TREATMENT!
takemybreathawayok 3 months ago
FUCK THIS COMMUNIST CUNT BARROSO
HE HAS NO POSITIVE POLITICAL RECORD IN PORTUGAL AND NOW HE THINKS HE HAS THE RIGHT TO ADVICE THE WHOLE OF EUROPE WHAT TO DO?
FUCK THIS SHIT, FUCK THIS BARROSO! MERDE! IL EST CORROMPU!
flowerpuff2001 3 months ago
@flowerpuff2001 Its exactly because he is weak,that he was put there by France and Germany interests.
ViriathusVingathor 3 months ago
Time to resign for Barosso, with his "leadership" he destroyed Europe within 10 years. And now he comes up with eurobonds. LMFAO.. means we would all get a CC status. From AAA to CC.. that's probably what we always wanted when we got ourselves into the EU. Fuck the EU.
Brulluhman 4 months ago
What a mess in his head. He tries to justify his 60000 employees.
EU should be officialised as organisations like NATO.
Commissioners provide only projects from the states and to be stamped by the EU recording parliament. It needs a strong clean up.
theDLebon 4 months ago
More than a superstate,this EU(not the one intended to be before german/french meddling) is more like a supershit.
I like it......
StellandBlood 4 months ago
@StellandBlood
A "supershit"and you like it,LOL.
You are fucked up.
ViriathusVingathor 3 months ago
Congratulations you have managed to do the Greek people to hate who is not Greek. Soon not wonder if you are all unwelcome in Greece.something else. For us Greeks, you'll always barbarians. because as they said and my ancestors. who is not Greek, a barbarian.
nekrothaftis88 4 months ago
@nekrothaftis88 Who's fault is it that your politicians can't govern???
sikjes123 4 months ago
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@sikjes123 Yes the Greek people blame their vote, while he knows how useless and thief. And the Greek people will send them to the gallows with the charge of high treason, against the Greek people.
nekrothaftis88 4 months ago
@nekrothaftis88
"who is not Greek, a barbarian."
Which makes greeks the greatest of barbarians.
StellandBlood 4 months ago
@nekrothaftis88
"who is not Greek, a barbarian."
Which makes those greeks who believe it to be amongst the greatest of barbarians.
StellandBlood 4 months ago
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you can see the evil in his eyes
Dark1ne78 4 months ago
bs a non-imperial empire is a contradiction on its own theyre right that they dont decide what the empire does those decisions are made by the international bankers
robZzdaboss 4 months ago
recognise!
Synthiotics 4 months ago
shupershtate... i'd recognisse that accent anywhere...
Synthiotics 4 months ago
FUCK JOSE MANUAL BARROSO AND FUCK THE GLOBALISTS AND THEIR ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT OF GOVERNING COMMUNIST ELITES,
FUCK OFF OUT OF AUSTRALIA JOSE MANUAL BARROSO AND FUCK YOUR DEAD HORSE COMMUNIST ALLY JULIA GILLARD AND STICK YOUR CARBON PRICING SCHEME UP YOUR ASS AND MEASURE YOUR OWN CARBON OUTPUT YOU FILTHY COMMUNIST GAY FUCK
MsTsarbomba 4 months ago
Federal Union
Fascist Oligarchy, corporate bureaucrats protectcionism
Manipulated info (soviet model)
Politician = corporatism puppet, professional liar
Goal = Globalization, the great gnostic masonian work, (the perfect brainwashed happy slave).
OrgonVpH7 4 months ago
Fuuuuuuuuuuu
vj198 4 months ago
Kill Barroso.
guerriero667 5 months ago
MADELEINE MCCANN IS OURS SHE BELONGS TO US BEAUTIFULL PORTUGUESES MEN AND SHES IN HELL SUCKING LUCIFER COCK
AdrianoLima12 5 months ago
shame on you
oui empire de l´euro et celui des Banque Finance,
mais pas une europe SOCIAL.....
MrZouggar 5 months ago
Barroso:Suerte manteniendo calma en Mercados contra shorters-especuladores ( ahora contra Italia para tratar derrumbar Euro ) , un HedgeFund (Jana) quiere comprar S&P=absurdo!, exije un cambio total en Credit Rating Agencies ( cobran comision de las mismas empresas que clasifican=tecnicamente fraude) , EU-USA tienen que restructurar esto=Independientes ! se comenta que los HedgeFunds-shorters van a ir ahora contra America-Sur-Centro para distraer de Murdoch-NewsCorp! unionyenergia.blogspot.com
unionyenergia 5 months ago
YHEAA PORTUGUESE MAN <3
raqueldaphne 6 months ago
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RIP EURO
SAY NO TO THE EU
UKProtector 6 months ago
yea right... WE are the empire...
v4lkyr 6 months ago
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UN UN UN Why does the UN not help the people in Somalia since 20 years.
They are responsible for the people and innocent children dying of hunger.!!!
News107 6 months ago
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UN UN UN Why does the UN not help the people in Somalia since 20 years.
They are responsible for the people and innocent children dying of hunger.!!!
News107 6 months ago
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..the EU are now bankrupt...They want ALL EU member states (euro or not) to contribute a tiny percentage of stealth tax ..VAT increase ...to the EUbank account to solve this mess.....THIS IS ILLEGAL..In the Lisbon Treaty if they start interfering with member tax policies , that member (country) must have a REFERENDUM if they want to LEAVE the EU!!! Write (dont text or email) WRITE to your MPs and demand this , or threaten to bring this to court. Please pass this message on, for all our sakes X
rewind161 6 months ago
EU is awesome! Love it.
PowerOfTheMirror 6 months ago
Freely joined .....bullshit
161rewind 6 months ago 2
I suggest 1/1000 time and space buying assets within europe and keeping it for 40 years. Rules can always be changed. Moral before. We don't need trillion Chinese in our landscape.. to pay off Chinese debts. African should use condoms.
Brulluhhman 6 months ago
Again as telepath.. Barosso wants to be a Napoleon. He favour the French approach. When it comes to finances. I like the North European approach. Calvanism, sober, sparing. Not walking in the gutter.. with your vision made up mule, that doesn't seem to fit anyone.
Brulluhhman 6 months ago
EU doesn't have borders. That's what we understand, they've got weak knees. They don't tell Turkey to go fuck off for instance. Instead they give loots of money to all countries that don't deserve it. So nobody knows where the EU stands for, but it does seem to have a lot of money (not, everybody knows). We're a poor continent, thanks to the eurozone.
Brulluhhman 6 months ago
Everyone knows what happens to empires...sooner or later.
Spenner56 6 months ago
@Spenner56 This was a quicky. Letting insovable countries in a eurozone. Causes them to export less and blocks all their economical growth. Let it rot for a while.. and tattaaah.. result. A fucked up Europe. Great coocking.
Brulluhhman 6 months ago
Barroso:The neocon's media in USA is already attacking Lagarde : yesterday by a reporter in WashingtonPost, Schneider, who switches every day between rumouring the collapse of the Euro and the EU while never mentioning the corrupt illegal double standard of the 3 big Credit Rating Agencies that promoted the 2008 Financial Disaster by giving AAA ratings to junk mortgages/swaps for fees and now supports their attack against the Euro and EU, so Lagarde must expect constant neocon attacks,shame !
financialtools1 6 months ago
@finni100
Yes i know that, but i mean 'bigger' in a other way.
The euro and the pound are more worth than the us dollar BUT: the most of world trade and especially big deals and oilprices are still in US dollars.
We have to get rid off that worthless us dollar currency on a global scale.
The euro,pound and the chinese currency are the ones for the future.
America played the casino game and lost.
Flyingdutchmen0317 6 months ago
To all americans: stop that ignorant behaviour, and just see what's really going on.
Usa has major debts by japan,china and the europeans.
Your country depends fully of these country's, if they take the loaned money out now: youre screwed.
The only reason that these country's 'resceud' the usa is because of the dollar.
Now the involved country's are starting to trade in other currency to become independent from us dollars.
The day us dollar isn't the biggest currency anymore: youre fucked.
Flyingdutchmen0317 6 months ago
@Flyingdutchmen0317 The pound and the euro is bigger than the US Dollar
Finni100 6 months ago
"The EU Is Hitlers Dream Come True" Anthony J Hilder
mranthonyjhilder 7 months ago
The global economy focus of Revelation 18 will be ruled over by the world dictator known as the Antichrist. By the way, the Antichrist comes out of the EU, the precursor to the revived Roman Empire, and will control the buying and selling of the world in the last days, Revelation 13:16, 17. China will join with the Antichrist to stop the Messiah, Jesus Christ from coming back to the earth, Revelation 16:13-16.
stealthblack6 7 months ago
illuminati tactic to control protest includes these agents dressed as revolutionaries
***
see 1977 video of agent Barroso dressed as maoist
watch?v=wAHv3UnXvmM
For the basics
who-are-the-illuminati DOT blogpost DOT com.
Truth666 7 months ago
A communist union.... What a great idea.....
What are they going to do when they have destroyed Europe? Criminals.
With all their thousands and thousands of laws and taxes, they want to introduce...
They have no vision, whatsover, and do not understand finance.... They will destroy Europe when they proceed with their corrupt "empire"...
Criminals.
alexusdelarge 7 months ago
@alexusdelarge Communist? These people are greedy capitalists...
NetherDrakeye 7 months ago
@NetherDrakeye I don't think he was referring to true Communism which is actually pure equality and a stateless society. I think he was referring to Communism in the Soviet definition. The EU is a capitalist super state but it acts and makes legislation and destroys democracy just like the Soviets did. I think that is what he was trying to say. Freedom for all around the globe! Human rights for all, not just the rich!
UKJay92 7 months ago
You don't need a European Union to get along with your neighbors. It's a silly argument.
rtgoodson 7 months ago
Unique..... Because this empire was created without arms. But everyone knows. EVery empire has itsdown fall. Imagine people thinking the Roman empire would fall at its height. Would have laughed. This evil shit will fall. one day.
Olekander 7 months ago
this evil man attended the bilderberg group meetings
graham640 7 months ago
antidemocratic pigs i hope and pray for the day that your evil europe is consined to the dustbin of political history forever
graham640 7 months ago
more developed than what they are admitting today. Just keep in mind that the Eurofighter was developed in the 1980ies.... that airplane is now 30 years old and they are being used since the beginning of the 1990ies. What is being developed right now? we will know in 30 years.
BelijaNero 7 months ago
proven beyond doubt that when you learn 2 or more languages, your memory becomes broader, or more sensitive to remember things. Theres a really study done on this that resulted in this fact.
It would boost human rendability and it would force a excuse to further fund education. Something many countries in the world today, need more off.
Armigo91 7 months ago
I cant hardly imagine that european countries were once in total war.
Whenever I see a european whether hes from france, austria, germany, uk, theyre like totally similar.
They only bark differently compared to one another. And I think we should have a european language. For 2 causes. Firstly iit will enable easier talking, and theirfore economic trafficing. It would require us to learn 2 languages by default. I think this idea isnt far fetched. The other cause is that scientific studies have
Armigo91 7 months ago
@Armigo91 That is quite possible,we can have a language which remembers to each citizen that the great majority of this cultures(which we will want to preserve) are the fruits of one single culture,what I mean is the reconstruction of proto indo european as the official EU language,the other cultural traits of that culture will be impossible to rebuild,I believe language is more than sufficient.
To really unite the EU,the return to the past in some areas is the best solution.
ViriathusVingathor 7 months ago
@Armigo91 European language is impossible and people wont accept it because they like their own language and will not want to lose that piece of culture.. Besides people in Europe are not similar at all, just look at Greece for example.. Why do you think they are bankrupt? Because they work untill they are like 50 years? Here in The Netherlands we work untill we're fucking 65. Now thats a huge difference isnt it? EU has Slavic, Latin and Germanic people, differences are too big to be similar..
bordkrijt 7 months ago
@bordkrijt
Having a language of unification(in my choice,the proto indo european,the source of slavic,latin,germanic languages) doesn´t mean the end of national languages,we can retain the best parts of our past while advancing into the future.
ViriathusVingathor 7 months ago
@ViriathusVingathor Still the pure Indo European language doesnt even exist anymore, so why bring it back.. Besides there are also countries in Europe that speak a language that isnt coming from Indo european .. Hungarian Finnish Greek Maltese to call some examples. Besides, why go back to a language that nobody speaks? Im proud to speak my own unique language (Dutch) and its something of my culture, shows the unique differently cultures in Europe. I say no to a language of unification.
bordkrijt 7 months ago
@bordkrijt
"Why go back to a language that nobody speaks?"
A question of legitimacy,and as a remembrance,of common origins of our many cultures.
Hungarian,Finnish(greek comes also from indo european)we can´t please all,at least we can please the great majority.
You are proud of speaking dutch,and what do you think,it will uphold that language and culture,disunity or unity in Europe,may the first thrive,and its likely that your descendants will end solely speaking chinese,russian,or english.
ViriathusVingathor 7 months ago
@ViriathusVingathor All im saying is, I do want to unify Europe but it isnt necessary to make on purpose a language of it. You could also live along eachother if you speak different languages.Take a look in The Netherlands for example, here we have Frisian people who speak Frisian, which is a different language then Dutch. Frisian people live perfectly along the Dutch and thats also what we need in Europe. All different cultures and languages to be proud of, learn to live with eachother to unify
bordkrijt 7 months ago
we are ruled by reptils .. about the real problem nobody is speaking .. our communitysystems are damaged for many decades .. the German SPD was bringing this toxin inside the communitysystems.
Dubconferencedotorg 7 months ago
Some part of cooperation between the countries, yes, but not total domination by the EU. Lets get out of the EU, they are forcing immigration. We had enough! Get out now!
swissmaid 7 months ago
We need a crisis to give people an incentive to united, democratic Europe. I think this could be easily arranged.
TheVoiceOfReason93 8 months ago
4 years later - Greeks and Irish would say "it's a financial empire".
juujuuuujj 8 months ago
The Eurabian empire.
chemerich 8 months ago
european scumbags all of you
graham640 8 months ago
usa is the boss of europa
krisnnaabraham 8 months ago
i dont know
banjaxedbuscrew 8 months ago
Long live the EU!
EndlessLaymon 8 months ago
Normal people??? He gets payed more than most people on the planet.. Like most politicians and state leaders it would not have any effect on his life if the economy goes APE SHIT!! Like it more or less has already.. Democracy is truly an illusion!! Just think about it.. How many times do YOU get the chance to vote about anything? I guess they know whats "best" for us...
MrSonne86 8 months ago
European federal Superstate!
I can't wait...
please plaese Unify faster...
screw the detractors, they are financed from america in order to keep europe weak and small so that america can dominate.
Go EU go
MrGibeno 8 months ago
@MrGibeno you should keep an eye on europeunited . eu ;)
woopeea 8 months ago
@MrGibeno EU needs USA & USA needs EU.
Doesnt matter though, EU population is much larger then USA thus their government doesnt have the money to waste on things like military, as the US does. This is why USA military, unfortunately, is almost 5 times larger then the whole 27 nations that make EU combined.
prjerry7 8 months ago
@prjerry7 The EU nations have their own independent, powerful military.
The gigantic US military is far less well-trained and equipped than the average European Army.
Europe has five of the best militaries in the world in it.
It can beat Russia in a conflict, alone.
The US is also not dependent on the EU.
NATO is simply desperately trying to continue existing so that people pour money into it.
taurenmilkco 8 months ago
@taurenmilkco USAF is by far the best airforce & best equipped airforce in the world.
US navy is by far the largest & best equipped navy on earth.
Though Europe has more personell, US military expendiature is 4 times larger then EU's, our military technology is decades ahead of yours, only England [who buys much of US weponry] is technologically close to USA & by close i mean f-35, which is still $hit compared to our F-22 & x-45 [& derivatives].
Dont ever compare Europes military to Americas :l
prjerry7 8 months ago
taurenmilkco 8 months ago
Also; USA has more working nuclear weapons then the whole European continent, more satellite power then the whole Euro continent. Notice, im comparing 1 nation with a whole continent [your more populous then us]. Many European states also buy US weaponry. Also, if US economy is destroyed, China & Europe will come tumbling down [result of globalized economy]
EU military isnt big enough for military operations like the current in Iraq/Afghanistan, most of your tax $ goes to free healthcare [good].
prjerry7 8 months ago
@prjerry7 Note: The EU has a larger civilian space program. The US satellites do not support europe, and Europe is smaller and requires less satellites. Nuclear weapons cannot be used in a normal combat situation; more than half of the US nuclear arsenal is useless since it would be blowing up an already-dead world, while Europe has enough nukes to blow up the earth just once.
European states do buy US weaponry, but mostly the trade is from the EU to the US.
Gotta agree on the economy.
taurenmilkco 8 months ago
@taurenmilkco Im sorry if i sound ignorant but i dont see the significance of a civilian space program, USA still has far more satellite power then the whole continent of Europe combined, including Russia.
Half of US nuclear arsenal is more then what the European continent has & more then enough to destroy the world [cold war crap, i dont c y we made so much].
USA is capable of destroying most of EU's nuclear arsenal. EU's nuclear missile-defense is & has always been very dependent on USA.
prjerry7 8 months ago
@prjerry7 Civillian sattelites can easily be used to crash into military ones, or be converted for a military purpose. In general, the EU space program receives more funding.
Everyone always, ALWAYS mentions nuclear weapons, even though they can't be used as the entire world would just blow itself up.
If the US launches missiles at the EU, the EU launches missiles back simultaneously- only a quarter of each side's missiles would have to arrive to annihilate both countries.
taurenmilkco 8 months ago
@taurenmilkco US has the capasity & technology to prevent most EU missles from entering US airspace, EU in the other hand mostly depends on US missle defence/technology to defend itself from possible nuclear warfare.
USA still has MUCH more satellite power then the whole continent of Europe combined, & our military expendiature is still 4 times larger then the whole continent of Europe combined [im not proud of that].
prjerry7 8 months ago
@prjerry7 Wait, slow down a minute here-
We were talking about whether the EU depends on the US and vice versa, weren't we?
Because I'm fairly certain I've proved that it doesn't.
No country has so far had the capacity to create a proper missile shield.
Europe doesnt have as many sattelite because it neither builds nor needs them (It is smaller.)
Nuclear warfare won't happen. Probably ever.
War between the EU and US won't happen.
taurenmilkco 8 months ago
@taurenmilkco EU’s population is much larger then USA’s, you do have more land though thus you may be right on EU not needing as much satellites.
Every nation depends on another except for undeveloped agriculture based nations & marginalized nations like Cuba or N. Korea.
If EU nations disappeared USA, China & most nations exports would plumit, the same goes if USA disappears. If China disappeared our exports would plummet but industrialization in 3rd world countries would boom.
prjerry7 8 months ago
@prjerry7 Well, if you talk about it THAT way, yes, all countries depend on each other.
But I was talking strictly about the fact that a military alliance between Europe and America is unneccesary.
taurenmilkco 8 months ago
@taurenmilkco imo it is neccesary to a certain level if they want their common interests taken care of. USA has a huge military expenditure but we cant over-stretch it, USA left Libyan airzone clearance in the hands of England & France, USA is already in debt due to many things including their Iraq/Afghanistan efforts. EU also couldnt have the military projects USA currently has in the middle east, USA+EU are stronger together.
prjerry7 8 months ago
@prjerry7 I can certainly agree with that last sentence.
taurenmilkco 8 months ago
@prjerry7 Please do note:
Europe has no military. European states do.
I did not even compare them, I just pointed out why the Eu does not need the US.
US expenditure is so large because they import weapons from Belgium, Austria, Germany, and Switzerland, and only occasionally develop their own small arms, increasing costs.
Germany has the most cutting-edge army in the World.
England has an underdeveloped military compared to the Western EU states, they do, however, win when it comes to tanks.
taurenmilkco 8 months ago
@taurenmilkco the world is globalized, materials for US wepons come from all over the world, not just European states. Materials for European states weponry & Chinese weponry, aswell as Russian, come from all over the world, not just from the European continent.
This has NOTHING to do with technology. F-22 is more advanced then any European aircraft. M1 Abram is more costly/advanced then any European tank. B-2 bomber is more advanced/expensive then any EU bomber, the list goes on & on.
prjerry7 8 months ago
@prjerry7
F-22 was a failure,its production was cancelled, Abrahams is more costly due to the integrated systems it has attached,as a tank Leopard 2 is considered the best tank ever produced even by US experts,you have better bombers,but we have much better submarines like the undetectable Gottemburg class,we also have the best snipers,and machineguns which are exported even to the US,as the best AA weaponry said to be capable to detect and destroy any flying object.
ViriathusVingathor 8 months ago
@ViriathusVingathor USAF has enough F-22 to destroy any airforce on earth, also note; F-22 was cancelled due to costs, not because it failed as an airsuperiority fighter. RAAF, which had classified info on eurofighter & f-22 proclaimed F-22 as undoubtedly superior.
Its controversial [due to classified information] to which nation has the best tank in the world, many European experts claim the M1 due to its advanced technology interface [more so then L2], what is for sure is that M1costs more
prjerry7 8 months ago
@prjerry7
And I should remember that we have several industrial military complexes,not a single one,so most those weapons were produced just with one EU country tech, EU invests just 1.2% to 2% of its GDP in the military,US spends 4% to 5 %,and we already dominate in many areas and with our outdated equipment,we have almost more active troops than the US,China,Russia combined,with mobilization and further investment we have enough troops and material to pursue any objective we trace.
ViriathusVingathor 8 months ago
@ViriathusVingathor Many EU nations are in chaos & in the brink of bankrubt, i doubt EU could pay to fight a war like the current one without US air. Their current effort, which is miniscule in comparison with USA, has raised many of their members national debt to unsustainable points [gov. spends allot on things like healthcare]. EU cant even make its own missle defence system in s.e. block.
EU also cant produce a 5th gen. fighter while USAF has already flown X-45 & derivatives.
prjerry7 8 months ago
@prjerry7
EU invests very little in defense comparing to what it would be capable,as it has no immediate conventional menaces,still we have the best weaponry in most fields,to think EU is dedicated in Afghanistan is naive,no one gives a damn about that war,its not even secondary matter to address.
ViriathusVingathor 8 months ago
@prjerry7
EU has no 5th generation fighter, as EU regarding airforce favored a defensive(cheaper and smarter for EU goals) doctrine until 2020, with the medium ranged EF thyphoon,considered the best multirole in the world,specially in the role of a interceptor,said to be more than able to compete with any 5th generation fighters,and is 2 (depends of the sources) times cheaper per unit ,than the raptor.
Technology was not the issue,goals/cost was.
ViriathusVingathor 8 months ago
@ViriathusVingathor Russia, China & even India have 5th generation fighters, the last two arent militaristic nations.
You cant claim that the Eurofighter is the best multirole fighter, military aircrafts have classified information. What we do know about these aircrafts [includes raffael & f-35] is that today, the only 5th generation multirole fighter is the f-35 [has MUCH more capabilities then EF, according to experts]. Even England decided to have F-35's in its arsenal.
prjerry7 8 months ago
@prjerry7 For what I read those anti warhead tests were a utter failure,not even were able to stop slow missiles,which is pathetic,if there is an nuclear attack there is no chance to stop it,and the most recent ICBMs,have´systems that detect interceptions,and change trajectory if necessary.
ViriathusVingathor 8 months ago
@prjerry7
You are right about the satellites, EU satellite coverage will be enhanced in the coming years,with the galilleo project,a system that will be incorporated in european satellites,several times more precise than the US developed GPS.
Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning developed In the JSF ( a joint project of the US and some EU countries) it still undergoing test flights,it still to be known if it is reliable.
ViriathusVingathor 8 months ago
@prjerry7
It might be another failure,if it is not it most likely will be far better than the partially stealthy EF,a fighter that will also protect the EU air.
EU even sold the EF,and the Leopard II(copied in China Type-99) to unreliable countries,such as Saudi Arabia,and others,which in turn might sell them secretly to countries such as China,thats a proof that the EF and the Leopard II do not represent a tip of the military technological knowledge EU has.
ViriathusVingathor 8 months ago
@ViriathusVingathor F-22 isnt what i would call a failuse. F-22, according to most experts, including Europeans, is the best air superiority fighter EVER. The program was cut because of costs but USAF has more then enough F-22's to disable any airforce on earth.
USAF, like always, is keeping secrets. Their f-35 program is small in comparison with what they usually buy, my bet is 6th generation fighters derived from x-45 program.
prjerry7 8 months ago
@prjerry7 england is cooperating with the EU (anyway a part of the EU to) to build the Eurofighter Typhoon. They have plans to purchase more than 200 Eurofighters within the next 8 years.
@ All:
anyway, we do not know what the military is doing. the real weapons are kept as secret for generations. What the EU is building and flying today, we will know in 0-30 years. And yes, the eurofighter is being sold to many countries outside the EU and i belive it is because the EU have airplains that are
BelijaNero 7 months ago
@BelijaNero US has already test flown manless stealth fighters derived from X-45 program, i dont want to know what the US military is hiding. I have a felling F-22 stopped being produced for more then just high costs.
prjerry7 7 months ago
@prjerry7
Afghanistan and mostly Iraq were both unpopular moves mostly Iraq,a giant shame,so EU peoples support is very low.
If the US economy was destroyed EU and China would suffer mostly financially, but they would be far from collapsing as they are the 2 main world centers of industrial production, economies that never fall beyond a certain level.
ViriathusVingathor 8 months ago
@ViriathusVingathor Chinas economy was built on US consumption, EU's economy mostly depends on US consumption. If US economy failed, TRUST ME, EU/China would lose more then just finance. The economy is globalized, its that simple. If any giant economic giant, like Japan, had troubles, consumption would drop & global crisis begin. A few US citizens couldnt pay their morgage in 2008 & global crisis began, now Greece & Spain are in chaos because of its ripple
Also, EU isnt a nation, its 27 nations
prjerry7 8 months ago
@prjerry7 You are right,China´s economy was built on american and european consumption.
EU is a political block with 31% of the worlds economy,more than any other entity,so the implications of EU collapse would be bigger.
ViriathusVingathor 8 months ago
@ViriathusVingathor i personally think EU would disintegrate before it, as a whole, collapses economically. If Germany were to have the same problems as Greece today, EU would likely disappear [even though German economic problems would send shockwaves around the world like USA in 08].
The capitalistic free market system depends on you selling to me & viceversa, if any big economy falls, it will take all of its partners down with it.
prjerry7 8 months ago
@prjerry7 "EU doesnt have the money to waste on things like military, as the US does." the USA's economy is in BIG trouble as you may know. They import by far more then export, so they spent more then they earn which is a huge problem for their economy. Fact is, USA is know loaning money from the rest of the world to compare that lose. But the problem only gets bigger because the dept is getting higher and they still spent more then they earn. Your gov is dumb to spent that much
bordkrijt 7 months ago
@bordkrijt dont confuse private sector with public. USA is capitalist, the governments does NOT keep the economy running. In fact, in 1949 USA national debt was much larger then what it is today. The fact is USA economy [grows almost 2% annually] is out competing Eurozone [grows around .1% annually].
If US government wants to cut its debt it simply has to cut its huge spending [i prefer on military].
Also, if any economy is in trouble its Eurozone [thanks to Greece, Spain, Italy, etc.etc.etc.]
prjerry7 7 months ago
@prjerry7 you have no idea what you are talking about.. Look at the price of the dollar.. and get your 101 of Economics going..!! Americans are still living because they are printing the reserve currency, thats the only thing that keeps you alive.. USA is an economy of consumption and is hardly producing anything anymore!! Only shit the world doenst need..but people will eventually get tired of it.. its a matter of time..USA is history kid..!!
Blankito2007 7 months ago
@Blankito2007 Your a fool if you really think that. I'm not an american, but I don't think you grasp the nature of america. What does it mean to you when the leader of the IMF is in an american prison, greece is on the verge of defult (soon portugal then irland), Russia is selling hydro to China instead of Eu, france and germany are devided, Turkey is in a state of denile, and the middle-east is has sprung up on your doorstep. And surprise; the world bank is going to pick up the peices.
yellowhue30 7 months ago
The real question is; Who will pay the most for american military intervention, (you know that their the only military game in town, right?), when the real problems start for the countries in the curent EU... Maybe you really don't get it, but I'd expect even a smart strain of ecoli to see what you cant.
yellowhue30 7 months ago
@yellowhue30 Well your pretty much missing the point. But i don't expect americans, nor canadians to not feel like a superpower anymore. You guys are getting butt fucked on daily dosage! And all the facts you were pointing out i almost agree on, but it doesn't change the fact that the US is going down, the dollar is going down! The world is laughing at you, following a prick, the world doesn't know anything about. Germany is devided? Uh.. haha..
Blankito2007 7 months ago
@yellowhue30 see yellowhue and prjerry7,I'm an American living in Germany, and i can tell you that the 'attitude' of Blankito is quite common here.Sometimes when you're introduced to people, say you're from the states, they bring up bombing right away. I counter this by saying yeah we bombed the shit out of Germany, too.But the vitriol of Blank's comments, is an example of the extreme nature of anti-Americanism in Germany and Europe today, in many areas. But stills many good things about Germany
parkt6792 7 months ago
@Blankito2007 USA nominal gdp is $14 trillion [largest of ANY nation], this is all about US production/ownership, this titan economy which the US controls can only be eliminated with competition, it wont fall for a long time [like any other post-modern economy :D].
US economy is the consumer of the world & your right its consumer-expansion is unsustainable, but your stupid to think this will derail US hyperpower status. EU, China & most of the world's economies DEPEND on US consumption.
prjerry7 7 months ago
@prjerry7 I see, i don't debate with economists here. USA is the largest debtor nation in the world. The debt is higher than the GDP. So what are you talking about? And I'm from Germany, our exports to the USA are not that significant anymore,since we were focussing on the markets of the future. The US is consuming themselves to death with credit.And they're doing this since 1995. And to be honest, if there would be european rating agencies this shithole would have been downgraded long time ago!
Blankito2007 7 months ago
@Blankito2007 USA national debt per capita was much larger in 1949 then today, USA is accustomed to debt. How can government lower this debt? More tax, less spendings, etc., there are multiple options we have taken in the past which can work today.
USA economy is more advanced then any European economy in the world.
Also, global markets depend on eachother, if USA suffers so will the rest of the world, look at 2008.
USA gdp growth is outcompeting EU including Germany C:
prjerry7 7 months ago
@prjerry7
US economy is far more undeveloped than central European and northern European economies,US today depends on the strength of the dollar when the dollar stops being the world reserve currency US economy falls titanically acquiring its real value,and not its speculative value,and to reinforce this claim it shouldn´t be forgotten USA is the only country in the west that didn´t signed of the Kyoto protocol,due to the immense consequences that would have on its economy.
ViriathusVingathor 7 months ago
@ViriathusVingathor im ok if you try 2 compare Chinas economy to USA but EU economy is insulting;
EU economy is also very dependent on its reserve & speculative status. EU's central economies have a larger debt to gdp ratio then USA, ALL of EU's largest economies have a larger debt to gdp ratio then USA & NONE, including Germany [EU bull] have gdp growth as fast as USA;
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prjerry7 7 months ago
@prjerry7 It is not comparable to the speculative value of the US economy,who holds the WB,and the IMF main Headquaters in its territory.
Obviously if the EU does like the USA and China and starts consuming oil its productivity will rise titanically.,EU has more debt,but its also known that EU has a greater capacity to repay its debt, being by 2020 a booming economy,maybe holding 1000 M people by 2100,while US will continue indebted for decades to come.
ViriathusVingathor 7 months ago
@ViriathusVingathor EU can't consume more oil because its too expensive in most EU nations & its ALWAYS been that way, oil prices is determined by demand & offer here & in EU.
I wouldn't say EU has a better capacity of pay'ng debt since per capita EU economy is smaller then USA & we spend much more or things like military then the rest of the world [sadly].
Your speculations on EU economy in 2020 or 2100 are not realistic.
I will admit EU economies are more stable & less dependent on oil then US
prjerry7 7 months ago
@prjerry7 Its more expensive,because EU buys it from Russia,unlike the US,whom has it in its own territory(which adds a lot to the GDP)and has it so cheap by blackmailing Saudi Arabia/others,with military might,something EU doesn´t do as its not a militaristic power,despite it could perfectly be.
ViriathusVingathor 7 months ago
@prjerry7
We are far less dependent on oil,and that is worth trillions in prejudices per year,as renewable sources are currently far less efficient(cost/expenditure) than oil,by 2020 not only we already recover,we might be booming,and we already have cut 30% of our emissions.
EU is only beginning.
ViriathusVingathor 7 months ago
@ViriathusVingathor I dont see what makes you think EU dependence on oil would make it stronger, if anything your independence from oil has made EU more competitive [yet still weak growth].
EU not militaristic? EU's largest powers have all helped in rather the Iraq war or the Afghanistan war, unfortunately EU can't afford such a war & with their little effort theiv gotten into large debt, EU's biggest economy's ALL have larger debt to gdp ratio then USA. EU's economy has been slowing, what boom?
prjerry7 7 months ago
@prjerry7 Because obviously oil is far more effective,in other words it generates far more energy with much cheaper structural costs.
Its not because EU sends some hundreds of soldiers here and there while EU could send millions that makes EU militaristic.
And you are crazy if those thousands of troops had any influence in our debt,sometimes you seem to believe EU is like a desert,while its almost the contrary, half of the US is a desert,while EU has no deserts.
ViriathusVingathor 6 months ago
@ViriathusVingathor Also, i personally hope USA follows Germany's trail & puts lots of cash on renewable energy to become more independent from foreign oil, this is kind of a counterbalance because when this happens the demand for oil will go down, the supply will stay thus prices will drop thus more Americans will be enticed to use cheap fossil fuels.
A problem is USA gov. can't spend much now on these projects since weve got all of this debt for many reasons, wars being the least util.
prjerry7 6 months ago
@prjerry7
I also hope US and China starts spending more on renewable energy sources,and progress in that area, EU and Japan alone will not solve this vital issue,we need everyone,we just have this planet,if we cripple it,we are all doomed.
ViriathusVingathor 6 months ago
@ViriathusVingathor many will suffer with global warming but im sure humans will survive & im 100% sure nature will survive, check out global temperature & co2 levels in the Triassic.
prjerry7 6 months ago
@prjerry7
I will,thanks.
ViriathusVingathor 6 months ago
@prjerry7 That debt is in great part towards other EU countries,this is mostly a internal affair,with worldwide consequences.
What boom despite the crisis Germany is growing 4 % a year,imagine a european federation with german/nordic infraestructure,what the EU attempts to accomplish, do you think it would not grow titanically,it will take time but thats what is going to happen sooner or later.
ViriathusVingathor 6 months ago
@ViriathusVingathor Germany's infrastructure is mostly renewable energy, this is good because it makes them less dependent on Russia. Still Germany's going to have some problems; they recently shut off some nuclear plants for dumb scares sparked from fukushima in japan, now their buying lots of energy from France.
Also Germany gdp grew a mere .4% at the end of 2010, their economy is growing MUCH slower then USA, i know your source is wikip. but try tradingeconomics. com, its valid
prjerry7 6 months ago
Dont let it become a super-state. Show your nationality and be proud of it, but accept other nationalities. There will be alot of conflicts in Europe
IamIndestructible6 8 months ago
What a pile of bullcrap . "non - imperal impire " yeah right ! what about Yugoslavia Borosso you imperialistic pig ..... I cant belive people actually listen to this without laughing ....
HK379 8 months ago
Barroso, you fuckin asshole
289gerald 8 months ago
Barroso you fuckin asshole
289gerald 8 months ago
Barroso you fuckin asshole
289gerald 8 months ago
Europe needs a new empire like the Roman Empire. We should conquer Asia again like our forefathers did - especially the lands the muslims stole from us - such as Roman Egypt, Roman Syria etc. Europe will rise and dominate again, it's only a matter of time. If we stick together, there is nothing we can't do.
CallMetheDon77 8 months ago
At the moment, the EU is still a pussy state. But it'll evolve into a superpower soon. Europe will conquer the whole Eurasia - it's in our history. From Alexander the Great, to the Roman Empire, to the British Empire. Europe is built to rule. The new European empire is coming, and all shall be in awe of it. We'll conquer mecca and destroy the kaaba and in its place put a pole with the European flag. God Bless Europe
CallMetheDon77 8 months ago
EU = evil union
JosephStalin11 8 months ago
@SamsSpaghetti loooooooooool!!!!!!!!!!! It was actually implied for you.. Which you pretty much support with this comment loool :D:D
TTFLS2 8 months ago
@SamsSpaghetti Don't act retarded m8 -_- Don't use silly words for subjects not yet meant for your Lego ears :P
TTFLS2 8 months ago
@GP850mAh You know what? I am done argueing! You will no change your mind and I know what I'm talking about.
You are indeed a funny man though,saying the EU is one of the most democratic organisations on Earth!
You may believe that the EU is good and all it wants is to do good, but I tell you that the EU are masters of propaganda. And if Norway joins the EU, then may God help us all! Thank you and goodbye!
Finni100 8 months ago
@GP850mAh ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME! YOU HAVE OBVIOUSLY BEEN POISENED BY EUROPEAN PROPAGANDA!!!
Jesus!
And Germany refuses to help Greece out with bail out money!
Those countries economy went twice, perhaps even more, the times as they had before!
They should never have joined the euro and they should never ever have gone itno the treaty.
It's dunny that you should mention the market saying that they wouldn't get to trade with EU.
EEC?!
Finni100 8 months ago 2
@GP850mAh First off, your wrong. The President is not elected by the parlament, he is elected in secret.
Even people in the Parlament are saying that they are angry cause they aren't allowed to elect the president.
Do some research!
Second, Ever heard of NATO? we're a part of those guys you know? And they are also military peackeepers.
And they got an athem too!
I don't know how much propaganda the EU has gotten into you, but it is al to much!
Finni100 8 months ago 2
@GP850mAh You think so?
Look at Greece, Ireland, Spain or Italy! Their Economy is colapsing, thanks to the Euro.
Finni100 8 months ago
@GP850mAh Nothing to do with the Soviet Union, you say? watch?v=bM2Ql3wOGcU
The President is not elected by the people. The European paralament does't dised a shit except how much money they are going to take from us and the only difference is that the EU didn't begin with an army, but look! They are making one now!
Finni100 8 months ago
@GP850mAh The EU hates democracy, it hates nationalism and it hates others opinion about the treaty that are not good.
The Icelanders will soon come to relize that they would be better off without the EU.
The English are looking up to us! They love how we can trade with the EU and still not need to pay taxes and give away our reccources and Democracy!
The EU will eventually fall. You may disagree, you may hate it, but history doesn't lie!
It will fall just like every Empire will and have!
Finni100 8 months ago
Answer me this dear youtubers. What is it that unites european nations these days ? Is it the ideology or is it the wealth ? I think if it wasn't for the money the ideology would collapse. On the other hand ideology is always first because it is being created in human mind . Wealth is the result of ideology.
TheZagiello 8 months ago
@GP850mAh LOL You obviously don't know much about Norway! Sceptism hasn't shrinked in Norway, it has raised by 10%! And soon UK will leave the EU!
And we still got on other country in it! And Norway has the 4th best economy by trade in all of Europe!
The EEC trade agreemeant is good enough! The only thing about Iceland leaving is that we feel sorry for our Nordic brother being lured into a new Sovit Union!
I doubt Iceland will get much help from joining the EU!