Opie & Anthony: Reverend Al and Africa Talk [11 - 22 - 2011]

[dthendon]

Anthony is suuuch a honkey. Gotta laugh.

[mike35514]

egypt and ethopia where far ahead of europeans,sorry he's wrong there.

[thrashmetalfiend]

Al Sharpton is an opportunistic, racist shitbag.

[1tvirus]

I guess in terms of accomplishments Northern Africans pass the paper bag test.

[goldpants504]

Shit's mind boggling. Martin Luther King, Jr. gets assassinated, but this piece of shit is walking around a millionaire. Somebody please tell me I'm in the fucking twilight zone right now.

[reigns09]

@goldpants504

typical cracker inbred hillbilly hick american scum of the earth vermin.

[goldpants504]

@reigns09 Typical Nigerian pussy who has to steal from people on the internet, because he doesn't have the balls to steal from someone in person.

[reigns09]

@goldpants504

thank god for AIDS and the taliban, who are gradually but steadily reducing the numbers of you, american fuck hole.

[nag73]

@goldpants504 I gave you a Red Thumb by accident, sorry. Could someone please correct that terrible atrocity by giving a Green Thumb. Cheers in advance.

[goldpants504]

@nag73 No problem at all. :)

[cehuno]

Africans invented gun powder.

No excuse for Sub-Saharan Africa.

It just happens that Sub-Saharan Africa is and has always been a shithole.

[cehuno]

FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACKKK

BLACK PEOPLE DONT COME FROM MESOPOTAMIA

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[cehuno]

Fuck man, this black caller is fucking stupid.

Just because the word Africa is there, he wants to claim it all as his.

Sub Saharan Africa never accomplished ANYTHING.

[cehuno]

I agree with Ant, North Africans are mainly Arabs.

[cehuno]

He doesn't have the right to even claim any of that shit if he's a damned baptist. Everything he named was done by Muslims, except for the Pyramids.

[cehuno]

Reverand Al aint no fucking Egyptian.

[firemarshall007]

stacy was kinda right aboutethiopia being attached to the middle east in ancient times. The empire of sheba spanned both sides of the gulf of aden. But that was thousands of years ago.

[BIGH07]

@sprimusp1

[Messyman16]

Nice empire dick!

[sprimusp1]

Mesopotamia was a part of Iraq and some of Syria. It was not anywhere on the African continent. 

[ezzthemc]

No empires? How about Nubia, Kush, Abassinia, Axum, Punt, Mali, Ancient Ghana, Ancient Kongo etc.? lol!! I love Ant and his stubborn bigotry.

[whysers]

@ezzthemc He is a stubborn bigot but he means major empires with technology and actual influence. Those empires were merely winning on numbers and many of those you named are only large by comparison competitors on the same continent at the same time. Ant read the "bellcurve" which is a ridiculous book and he lets it influence his opinion and thinks its scientific he's a victim of pseudoscience.

[Edubbplate]

@whysers How is the "The Bellcurve" pseudoscience? I've read the unabridged version and couldn't find one bit of bigotry. The book is higly specific and well-done. The authors are well-respected and go out of their way not to make any claims they can't prove.

[cantilever]

@Edubbplate It's called "pseudoscience" by people who don't like what the book says: viz., that IQ is real, heritable, and not equally distributed amongst human racial categories...

[whysers]

@Edubbplate Because neither Author know much about evolution and as Stephen Jay Gould one of the most lauded professors in any profession said the whole book hinges on a massive theory about how intelligence has to do with heredity and societal influence and nobody has ever proved to any degree that populations pass on through birth IQ. So you see that the whole book is actually a large claim that they cannot prove. Any group reacts poorly to poverty.

[cantilever]

@whysers Stephen Jay Gould was a Marxist ideologue whose political beliefs vitiated his science. See this article in the NY Times:

nytimes.com/2011/06/14/science­/14skull.html

("Any group reacts poorly to poverty": tell that to the Jews who came through Ellis Island and worked their asses off...or the Vietnamese who came to America after Saigon fell with nothing and have made something of themselves...)

[whysers]

@cantilever Stephen Jay Gould was a life long Christian and he was the guy who came up with NOMA, your link didn't work for me. The Jews from Ellis island eh... Some sort of memory about Jewish mobsters comes to mind. Vietnamese... Like the ones who started gangs? Groups respond poorly to poverty its simple I don't know why people want to be racist so much.

[cantilever]

@whysers Just copy and paste the link into Google's search field...and hit the first link that pops up. (Gould was Jewish but referred to himself as "agnostic".)

So you think of "mobsters" when you think of Jews...? Not doctors, lawyers, accountants, college professors, business owners, etc.? (How many Jewish mobsters operating currently can you name?) Anent the Vietnamese, check this out: pbs.org/newshour/bb/asia/jan-j­une00/vietnam_6-19.html

[Edubbplate]

@whysers What do you make of all the "twinning" studies?

[whysers]

@Edubbplate Could you be more specific about your question please. I mean I find it interesting reading I assume your talking about trying to distinguish genetic and environmental causes. Few real claims are put forward and its very hard to test definitively because twins usually grow up together doing very much of the same things. I have 3 sets of friends who are twins and in all cases are violently different from each other though in intelligence. Please specify if I missed the point though.

[Edubbplate]

@whysers European Studies with Twins growing up seperately, in vastly different environments, showing the same relationship in IQ regardless of educational, social class, or economic status. And those IQs match those of the target race, regardless of environmental status of the adopting parents.

[whysers]

@Edubbplate No that's not true. Stop justifying your racism with science it won't work.

[Edubbplate]

@whysers I don't know why you say it's not true, but okay, I will quit using science to prove my objective points.

[whysers]

@Edubbplate Points are always objective you idiot they don't have feelings to bias them like your racist ass hahaha. Just saying your objective and saying studies exist won't trick anyone either provide evidence or stop saying its science. By the way admit your a racist while your at it and get the elephant in the room out in the open.

[Edubbplate]

@whysers What race am I being racist against. I'm white, but I know east Asians have higher IQs (in general) than all other races. That's why I married one!

[whysers]

@Edubbplate Than in the last comment in an answer to your question "What race am I being racist against." you solved your own puzzle by saying east Asians have higher IQ's in general than all other races. So you failed all at once in realizing you were being racist to all ethnic groups except east Asians and that we are all the same race and species, (TIP: its the reason why we can have sex and then make babies) so well done on your near perfect score of 99 out of a 100 on the racist test!

[Edubbplate]

@whysers Shit! Busted...  =(

[ezzthemc]

@whysers Ancient Ghana had Timbuktu which was an educational focal point that people flocked to from places around Europe and Arabia. If you subscribe to the absurd notion that Ancient Egyptians weren't black, well Nubia ruled over Egypt for a number of centuries and the Nubians of those days were as black as they come. Axum, Punt and Abassinia were dominant trading powers in their respective eras. Kush was as well, and it also developed sophisticated methods of agriculture.

[cantilever]

@ezzthemc Timbuktu was an enclave of Islamic thought and scholarship...and credit for that goes to the non-Negroid Arabians and not the indigenous culture. And Europeans were not welcome there, and certainly didn't "flock" there to be educated...

[ezzthemc]

@cantilever Go on Google images and type in Ahmad Baba. He is considered Timbuktu's greatest scholar.

[cantilever]

@ezzthemc Uh-huh. He appears to be Negroid and has an Arabic (i.e., non-African) name...and he studied in an Islamic milieu. He'd be analogous to someone such as Neil deGrasse Tyson today--a black guy, with a European name, who studied in a Western milieu...

The fact remains that the scholarship which engaged Ahmad Baba emanated from the cultural force of Islam, which is not endemic to Mali/Africa...

[ezzthemc]

@cantilever Is it that Black Africans did not make significant contributions throughout human history? Or is it that Black African culture did not make these contributions? Your arguments don't appear to be consistent.

[cantilever]

@ezzthemc Here's the point, which you persist in missing: Islam is responsible for Timbuktu's efflorescence of scholarship, not any homegrown African/Malian cultural development/innovation...

(Scott Joplin--another black man with a non-African name--I would argue made a significant contribution to civilization...luckily for us he was born in America and had a German music teacher...)

[ezzthemc]

@cantilever I asked you these questions so you can commit to one point as you seem to be switching from another in our Egypt discussion. As far as Islam's influence on Timbuktu, I don't think it can be denied. But you are denying the African's involvement in in Timbuktu's development which is absurd. That city's peak of enlightenment was under many black kings like Mansa Musa I and many of the manuscripts regarding medicine, astronomy, philosophy were written in the local languages of Timbuktu

[cantilever]

@ezzthemc Timbuktu has nothing to do with Egypt. Separate issues. I don't deny that there were many great black scholars in Timbuktu...but the catalyst for their greatness, the reason why Timbuktu was (at the time) such a center of knowledge and scholarship is due to the influence of Islam, which is of non-African origin...

Let me ask you a germane question: these great manuscripts you refer to...in what language were they written?

[cantilever]

@ezzthemc "...were written in the local languages of Timbuktu..."

What script was used?

[ezzthemc]

@cantilever "What language were they written in? Oops, uh I mean What script was used?"

You're argument is falling apart. It is ridiculous to dismiss the validity of a culture's contributions because it was heavily influenced by another. That's how a culture is born and civilizations are built.

[cantilever]

@ezzthemc You didn't answer the question. Duly noted. I'm not dismissing that black scholars existed in Timbuktu...but what I am saying is that they did not innovate the culture that allowed for that scholarship to take place. Without Islam, there is no intellectual tradition in Timbuktu...and Islam originated in Arabia, not Africa...

[cantilever]

@ezzthemc And could you provide some names of black scholars during Timbuktu's Golden Era which aren't Arabic...? I'd like to look them up...

[ezzthemc]

@cantilever So far we went from languages to script and now we're onto names. Really?

[cantilever]

@ezzthemc Again you don't answer the question. I'm not surprised...

[ezzthemc]

@cantilever They were mostly Muslims and Muslims often adopt Arabic names. But they were African and Timbuktu is one of Africa's many contributions to the world

[cantilever]

@ezzthemc Let me give you another analogue: Cordoba--located in Spain--might've been the most advanced city on Earth during its heyday. And that was due entirely to Islam. Over time, due to intermarriage, the Islamic rulers of Cordoba became fair-skinned, but Cordoba's majesty was not a "European" contribution, despite the fact that it was located in Europe. No Islam, no Cordoba. Same with Timbuktu--despite being in Africa, it was ISLAM'S contribution. No Islam, no Timbuktu...

[ezzthemc]

@cantilever So, since Islam introduced much of these innovations to Timbuktu and Islam came from the Arabian peninsula, Africa does not deserve the credit? Well, if you look at the Arabian peninsula they have been influenced by the Horn of Africa, Persians and Indians. Does that negate their contributions? How about India; they received a lot from the Chinese. Are India's contributions invalid? You can keep going further back in history to find nations influencing each other.

[cantilever]

@ezzthemc No, Africa doesn't deserve the credit, because Timbuktu was a reflection of ISLAMIC culture--not native African culture. Think of Timbuktu as an Arabian outpost of literacy. Of course there are intercultural contributions made--but that's not what happened in Timbuktu. This was Islam in Africa. India didn't ape China--their cultures are separate. Indian scholars have Indian names. They wrote in Sanskrit. Again: can you name one scholar from Timbuktu without an Arabic name?

[cantilever]

@ezzthemc "Set on the Islamic world's southwestern edge, Timbuktu was the product of an eclectic mixture of West African and Arab influences that found in Islam a common denominator."

saudiaramcoworld/issue/199506/­the.islamic.legacy.of.timbuktu­.htm

Islam, a non-African religion/ideology/cultural innovation, was the reason for Timbuktu's reputation...

[cantilever]

@ezzthemc "Heavy" influence...? That's underrating it...and let's not lose sight of from whence Islam came...

(Did you mark your own comment as spam...? I think you dih-iiiid...)

[ezzthemc]

@cantilever Mark my own comment as spam? Oh, your trying to hurt my credibility here. lol by lying your tactic just backfired.

[cantilever]

@ezzthemc I marked it as "Not Spam"...

[whysers]

@ezzthemc I am missing your point? I don't know why your telling me this.

[Edubbplate]

@ezzthemc Where are the ancient ruins and / or literature, philosophy, sculpture, architecture? There isn't much.

[ezzthemc]

@Edubbplate Are you sure about that? Every single civilization I mentioned were left behind ruins, architechture and artwork. Ancient Greek philosophers drew influence from Egypt (yes the Egyptians were black). Iron metallurgy was practiced in Africa as far back as 2000 BC, well before the Iron Age

[Edubbplate]

@ezzthemc What race the Egyptians were, and who built the pyramids in fact, is highly debatable. I have no doubt the Greeks took much inspiration from the Egyptians.

[ezzthemc]

@Edubbplate What about the many sculptures and sphinxes (excluding the Great Sphinx with his nose shot off)? Don't they have Black features? Or the paintings of the Egyptians on the walls of the pyramids. What colour did they use to paint the Pharaohs?

[cantilever]

@ezzthemc Ancient Egypt was a multi-racial society...and the folks in power during the Old and Middle Kingdoms weren't black. (Ramses II had red hair, and you can google "statue of Nofret and Rahotep" to see what the ancient Egyptian aristocracy looked like around 4500 B.C.) Black Nubians did take over Egypt around 700 B.C., but this was long after Egypt's Golden Age had ended...and then they were kicked out by the Macedonian Greeks...

[ezzthemc]

@cantilever It was a multi-racial society that was predominantly black, as were the Pharaohs (yes, even in Egypt's Golden Age). It seems you're seeing what you want to see because you seem to be ignoring Hor-Aha, Djoser, Huni, Khafre, Menkaure, Amenhotep III and I can go on.

[cantilever]

@ezzthemc Now you're just trumpeting Afrocentrist claptrap. (And projecting, with the "seeing what you want to see" line.) Where is the proof that they were black...? The sculpture I saw of Zoser at the Egyptian museum in Cairo wasn't black. The famous diorite sculpture of Khafre in the same museum did not have Negroid features...

And then there is Nofret and Rahotep, the son and daughter-in-law of Sneferu (builder of the Red Pyramid, which I explored) who are clearly not black...

[ezzthemc]

@cantilever Rahotep is black enough to get pulled over on the freeway. The fact that his wife was white which only strengthens my point. To say Sneferu was CLEARLY not black, you really must be seeing what you want to see :/

[cantilever]

@ezzthemc "Rahotep is black enough to get pulled over on the freeway." And there we have it! The piece-de-resistance of Afrocentric casuistry. Rahotep wasn't black. Marcus Garvey is black. Rahotep is bronze. Like most present-day Egyptians. Like Hosni Mubarak or Omar Sharif. Or the vast multitude of people I saw THROUGHOUT Egypt when I was there...

N.B.: I didn't write that "Sneferu" was clearly not black...I wrote that Nofret and Rahotep clearly weren't. You're reading carelessly.

[ezzthemc]

@cantilever Modern day Egypt is predominantly Arab. The Arabs did not settle in Egypt until 7 CE. The Ancient Egyptians are said to be descendants of the Puntites who were, as you call them, 'Negroids'. If you go to Eritrea or Somalia you will find many guys who look like Rahotep and will have to admit they are black.

[cantilever]

@ezzthemc Wrong. *Islam* overtook Egypt in the 7th Century...but there was no massive external population transfer. If you look at friezes built during the reign of Ramses the Great, you'll see Libyan prisoners of war, along with Nubian prisoners of war. The Libyans look Semitic, the Nubians Negroid. (The Egyptians were aware of racial differences in appearance and depicted them accurately.) The ancient Egyptians themselves--google "seated scribe, Louvre"--were mainly Semitic...

[ezzthemc]

@cantilever First, the Libyans were berber, not semetic. Second, yes as Islam took over the ethnic composition of Egypt changed dramatically.

[cantilever]

@ezzthemc I wrote the Libyans "looked" Semitic...which they do. (Dark straight hair, big beaked noses on the friezes outside of Abu Simbel.) They don't look Negroid, like the Nubians. And you're simply wrong (and behaving eristically) about the population composition...there was never a mass depopulation/influx. If you walk around Cairo today, you'll see dead ringers for the Seated Scribe everywhere you look...

[cantilever]

@ezzthemc The present-day populations of Eritrea and Somalia (and Sudan, i.e, ancient Nubia) are Negroid. But Rahotep wasn't. If he was, he would have been depicted with black skin. Many tombs have reliefs from the period where skin color is shown accurately...you'll see a noble with bronze skin attended to by servants, some with bronze skin, some with black skin. Zoser's seated statue has bronze skin and a mustache...if he were black, he would've been painted as such...

[ezzthemc]

@cantilever Then you obviously don't know how skin colour works genetically. I'm bronze skinned. My brother is dark brown. Our parents have the same complexion as me. Sometimes dark skinned parents will produce a lighter skinned child and visa versa. This is especially true if they have a mixed ethnic background like many did from Puntland to Egypt and still do today.

[cantilever]

@ezzthemc Your comment is a non sequitur. I'll say it again: If Rahotep had been black, he would have been depicted as such. He wasn't depicted as such. The existing evidence then is that he was not black.

Here is a picture of his statue: visualphotos[dot]com/photo/1x7­061270/rahotep_and_his_wife_no­fret_egyptian_art-_egyptian_21­02-972.jpg

He is bronze-skinned...not black. His phenotype is Middle Eastern, not Negroid. You've claimed the ancient Egyptians were "black." You're wrong...

[ezzthemc]

@cantilever Do you have to be charcoal black to be considered black? Black people come in many different colours. If we go on your standard of blackness, then at least half of Sub-Saharan Africans wouldn't be black, and it most definitely eliminates a large bulk of the Sudanese and people from the Horn of Africa.

But if you are not convinced Rahotep was black that's fine. How about Queen Tiye? Is chocolate black enough?

[cantilever]

@ezzthemc Let's not use the word "black"--let's use "Negroid." (Some Indians and Aborigines have black skin, but they aren't Negroid. Would you refer to Vijay Singh as "black"?) Rahotep wasn't Negroid. Nor was Nofret. Nor was red-haired Ramses the Great. Nor was Tut.

Here is Tiye's mummy: ib205.tripod[dot]com/amarna/ti­ye/mummy.jpg

Her hair doesn't strike me as particularly Negroid, so I'd say the evidence is against it...

[ezzthemc]

@cantilever Now all of the sudden you wanna get away from the word 'black' when you've been using it in our discussion. And you want to avoid all the depictions of Queen Tiye and look at her decomposed body, when we've been discussing the depictions of other Egyptian royalty. Can you just say that Queen Tiye is black? Because if you do, you can say that she is among the few and you'd atleast have a grain of credibility. I don't know what you're afraid of.

[cantilever]

@ezzthemc I think "Negroid," as a term, helps to avoid confusion. You seem to have a pretty loose definition of what "black" constitutes--which is understandable, because only that way can you claim that ancient Egyptian royalty were, en masse, "black." I wouldn't say that Tiye is Negroid, because her hair--which is quite well-preserved--is long and straight, not short and kinky. (BTW, going by the available evidence--which is what I do--confers credibility...)

[ezzthemc]

@cantilever I don't subscribe to these racial classifications because of the lack of solid science behind them. But ok lets use "Negroid". You said earlier that Sudanese, Eritreans and Somalians are "Negroid". Guess what? A large portion of them don't have short kinky hair. Black people's or 'Negroids'' hair come in different varieties as well. Take former Somali President Abdulahi Yusef for example.

[cantilever]

@ezzthemc "I don't subscribe to these racial classifications because of the lack of solid science behind them."

Hmmmm...so I guess you're unaware that a forensic anthropologist can determine whether a skull is Caucasoid, Mongoloid, or Negroid by its morphology...

"A large portion of them don't have short kinky hair."

What kind of hair do they have? Long and straight like Tiye's...?

[ezzthemc]

@cantilever I just mentioned Abdulahi Yusef. You know how to use google. And for you're information I am Eritrean. My brown skinned brother I refered to earlier has very straight hair. My mother also has straight hair. Yes, it's annecdotal but it's true. Another example that I can prove is supermodel Iman. She has naturally straight hair (you're gonna say it's a weave. It's not, check Wikipedia). It's really not hard to find East Africans with straight hair, especially Somalis.

[cantilever]

@ezzthemc I use Google a lot...it's indispensable in coming up with "facts," and "information," and "data." That Abdulahi is quite dark-skinned--way darker than Rahotep or Tut, for example. I'm bettin' he has some Arabic blood, too...not only based on his name, but also on his gooood hair...

So you're Eritrean, huh...? Well, that explains why you might be emotionally invested in the thought of ancient black Egyptian royalty. (I've known two Eritreans--both had tight, kinky hair.)

[ezzthemc]

@cantilever No, I'm not emotionally invested. I just know what I see. :D

[cantilever]

@ezzthemc Perhaps you'd benefit from a visit to the optometrist then...

*snicker-chortle-guffaw*

[cantilever]

@ezzthemc "Because if you do, you can say that she is among the few and you'd atleast have a grain of credibility. I don't know what you're afraid of."

Among the "few"...who are Negroid...? Elsewhere you blanketly state that the ancient Egyptians were "black." False. Re: credibility: I've been to Egypt--have you? I've been inside tombs, temples, and museums all over the country--have you? I have no agenda aside from the truth--do you? What are YOU so afraid of...?

[ezzthemc]

@cantilever "Among the "few"...who are Negroid...? Elsewhere you blanketly state that the ancient Egyptians were "black." "

Just to clarify I meant for the sake of YOU'RE credibility and arguement. I believe that the Egyptian people and royalty were predominanlty black.

[cantilever]

@ezzthemc You're the LAST person to be doling out credibility...because, as you yourself write, you "believe" that the Egyptians were "predominantly black." It's an article of faith with you--impervious to evidence (of which I've provided a lot)...

I reckon if you were to be psychoanalyzed, the reasons for your need to believe in the "blackness" of the ancient Egyptians would correspond to any other Afrocentrist's. I'm sorry you have that need, but my fealty is to the truth...

[ezzthemc]

@cantilever Now you're on to semantics just because I typed the word 'believe'. lol you have no leg to stand on. And you still won't admit Tiye was black. 

[ezzthemc]

@cantilever 'Re: credibility: I've been to Egypt--have you? I've been inside tombs, temples, and museums all over the country--have you? I have no agenda aside from the truth--do you? What are YOU so afraid of...?'

You're lack of credibility comes from you're inability to just say that Queen Tiye was black. Just say it. What's gonna happen?

[cantilever]

@ezzthemc I'll take that as a "no, you haven't been to Egypt." Not surprising...

Again, amigo, you don't have any credibility to dispense on this issue. That's been established to the point of absurdity... :)

[cantilever]

@ezzthemc "When we look at the representation of the Egyptian royalty on the walls of tombs, we see a range of sort of moderate, tan-colored skin on the royalty," Jablonski said. "This probably is a fairly close approximation of what skin color these people actually had." (Google the text for the source article.)

I've been to the tombs. Not just of royals in the Valley of the Kings, but also of nobles in Aswan. They definitely were not Negroid--they looked like present-day Egytpians.

[cantilever]

@ezzthemc "But if you are not convinced Rahotep was black that's fine."

It actually is fine, because it's true that he wasn't black. If you're convinced otherwise, you're engaging in wish-thinking...you know why? Because a statue of him exists that shows him not to be black. (He looks quintessentially Egyptian...)

Here is the wall painting of Tut's tomb: heritage-key[dot]com/files/ass­ets/egypt_tutstombpaintings2.j­pg

Tut is in the center wearing the nemes. He's also not black...

[cantilever]

@ezzthemc Two more things: Nofret's whiteness doesn't strengthen your "point." You don't have a point--you have a debunked mythology that serves perhaps to give you an unwarranted sense of pride or self-esteem. And I invite you to go to Egypt today--Cairo, Luxor, Abu Simbel, etc.--and ask the populace if the ancient Egyptians were black...see what THEY have to say...

[ezzthemc]

@cantilever Obviously my joke about being pulled over on the freeway and having a white wife escapes you.

[cantilever]

@ezzthemc Nofret wasn't really white...she was Semitic. The female members of the ancient Egyptian aristocracy spent most of their time indoors, so they became pale-skinned as a result. Rahotep, as a male, spent much time outside, and would have been burnished by the sun...

(Your joke was hilarious...you should go on Def Jam...)

[cantilever]

@ezzthemc The Nubian pharaohs (e.g., Taharka) were definitely black, but they ruled Egypt LONG after the great civilization had ended...

[cantilever]

@cantilever Correction: Instead of 4500 B.C., it should read 2500 B.C.

[firemarshall007]

@ezzthemc Well what about space exploration? Did Africans pioneer that?

[MrPatrickbourassa]

@Edubbplate

You obviously did not bother to look on the internet or in books you racist scumbag. Keep thinking the way you do.

[Edubbplate]

@MrPatrickbourassa I would never stoop to being racist or calling people such. I said nothing that was racist. The facts speak for themselves.

[snappy452]

Holy shit, this guy trying to claim Hannibal for black people is like myself trying to claim Julius Caesar (or for that matter Scipio Africanus, the mother fuckin Roman who whooped Hannibal) for white people. THEY ARENT RELATED TO US TODAY. Besides, if you really want to claim Hannibal, fine, but CARTHAGE LOST DUMBASS.

[snappy452]

I believe if MLK could walk out of the grave and see ol Reverend Al today, he would attempt to kill him. Reverend Al is a pathetic piece of GARBAGE.

[EricLynchSucks]

Hannibal was German....Not African...Carthage was Ancient Germany...

[snappy452]

@EricLynchSucks I really hope thats a joke. I understand it might be a revisionist history joke, but I HAVE heard that before....

[Reviresco]

@EricLynchSucks Carthage is modern-day Tunisia.

[123jataylor]

ughh the revisionist bullshit is just that, but ant's view of african and european history is pretty dire too.