Iran is in the news all the time now because it is next on the target list of the USA, which is on a quest to dominate the greatest oil producing region in the world. The west wants nothing less than a puppet regime that will open the country to their own industry and control. If and when this happens the people will lose their sovereignty in the name of "democracy" which will be an empty word representing the domination of their nation by transnational financial powers.
Why should the US, or any other country for that matter, be so concerned about sticking their collective noses into another country's matters? This is why America has become so hated across the globe. We're not supposed to be the World's Cop. Nowhere within the Constitution is it allowed for America to establish it's hegemony across the world.
You seem greatly concerned for international issues, which in truth, do affect the US domestically, but we have our own problems at home in the US, which somehow I seem to notice, do not seem to concern you as much. I wonder why.
Democracy: 51% of the people say 49% should be killed, so, they are killed.
Republic: Even if 99.9% of the people say that 0.01% of the people should be killed, abused, robbed, kicked out of their homes, etc, regardless, their inalienable rights must be upheld.
their inalienable rights in iran aren't upheld. they are imprisoned, raped and tortured for expressing themselves. the smart ones know the difference between theocracy and a republic.
@Matanldelman: Who says Iran wants to "wipe Israel off the map"? The MSM? I can't recall the last time the MSM told us the truth. The MSM has lied, and distorted current events on a regular basis. Besides, Israel is well-capable of defending itself. The US has given them enough armaments, cold-hard-cash, and technology, to thwart any perceived assault from any country.
Wrong, we discuss eliminating other nations. We are a threat to Iran, watch the Bill O Reiley Interview with the leader of the Ayn Rand Institute, he said we should eliminate the Entire country of Iran INCLUDING the people. We are a HUGE threat to the Middle east so by your logic they should bomb our asses.
Sorry, I gave instruction to watch an OReilley interview, so the "we" is clear. I also was responding to someone that acts like "WE" don't do that, so if you're following the conversation you wouldn't be asking me this. Answer= Western Powers
I understand that you can use "Think tank" to win the argument, but in reality, listening to Dick Cheney over the years and others, one does not have to believe in Conspiracies to know that some in the US elite would like to war with Iran, AND basic study of US actions on the Global scene even since the 80's shows that we should be considered a rogue nation that violates or just doesn't care one iota about international law or standards. Read Chomsky (I'm sure you know him) Good Video BTW!
2005 The Leader of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has issued the Fatwa that the production, stockpiling and use of nuclear weapons are forbidden under Islam and that Iran shall never acquire these weapons.
thats why less then 1 mounth ago, a secret cartification has been published that iran wants to buy a atmic bomb connecting terminal?
if thats so careless why they want to keep those nuclear places active when all the word is telling them to stop? just for electricity? i dont think so
Do you mean the document published in the Times on December 14? Former CIA say its fake, and yes they have the right to use electricity. Find out who Philip Giraldi is.
This is what I was saying the first week that this all happened. Then everyone called me a people hater for standing up for the majority in Iran. If the majority wants to continue with a Theocratic state then they vote and thats what they get. They have voted and their voice was heard.
revolutions take years to happen, don't jusde too fast.
most people in protests were working class.
workers cant go on strike yet, workers unions are in control of govornment, 10% of iranian workers are NOT permanent employees.
look at the demos again. there are women with chador, old men and women clearly from working classes.
Ahmadinejad's supporters are far richer (Sepah) and have access to all sorts of media, including internet- phone etc mobile phone is not such a luxury in Iran
funny. you ignore the head of this revolt, the clerics involved are oil guys. you ignore that none of the older men identified were working class (most of the same faces we saw were professors and in jail now). the women in chador were students. lol. there is nothing clearly about it. lol. the working class did not strike. ahmadenijads supporters by all account are the poor. lol. your info is bad.
How would the reformists who say they want a more open dialogue with the west will react to being attacked by Israel?
Do the reformists want to scale back the nuke program? Do they agree with us when we claim the regime is developing weapons? Do they think they have a right to the weapons anyway? Will Israel's destroying it (and inevitably killing a civilian or two) harden them back up, change their stance, bring them more in line with the hardline government that sees enemies everywhere?
Israhell doesn't have much sense, but they do have enough sense not to invade Iran. The zionazis are keeping plenty busy murdering innocence. Check out Amnesty Internation and B'Tselem to see the WAR CRIMES THEY'VE COMMITTED.
Most religions are ran by evil cults, Muslims are no exception.
If China adapts to hamburger eating democracy, then China will have 20 million prisoners. Look at the Amerikan jails, 2.5 million prisoners at the costs of 75 billion USD each and every year.
I do not know if it's true, but I read over 90% of Americans would not take their family to the park due to fear of extremely bad elements.
The most important group of religious leaders in Iran has called the disputed presidential election and the new government illegitimate, an act of defiance against the country's supreme leader and the most public sign of a major split in the country's clerical establishment.
The statement by the Association of Researchers and Teachers of Qum represents a significant setback for the government and the authority of the supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, whose word is supposed to be final
I know it's not internet cool to not support the protesters but after giving it a lot of thought I simply cannot do so. Perhaps it's due the the skewed facts we are getting through our media but I cannot see the "butcher of Beirut" as a shining symbol of anything if Iran truly does desire change.
Seeing interviews with Evgeny Morozov is enough for me to sit in disbelief that they are actually done in The Washington Post and then brushed off as truth and unbiased.
I know some really brave Iranians who are risking their lives over there translating Atheist vids and books from english to farsi. They say the protestors are mostly "secular", and they may be as you say, the english speaking educated elites.....still, I think going after religion in general might help loosen the grip that it has over Iran.
I'm good, excellent. Don't comment as much as I used to, but I still enjoy your videos. Much of You Tube's regulars have suffered inflated egos of disgustingly nauseating proportions which you have completely managed to avoid by just being yourself. You've been quite genuine, which is still quite respectable.
Lol. Ahmadouchebag. Total BS that Persians are coerced by Western media. That's one step away from making it into a Reptilian Jewish World Order conspiracy.
There will be a nuke blast in Israel, no doubt about that. Afterwards, New Jewish World order will start to fuck ev1 on this planet, but it will fail in the end. And Battim seem be be gaining weight.
The funny thing is, from a (S.P. Huntington thinks Israel isn't western,I agree) developed point of view your video entices Persians not to protest,but if they be selfish and cowardly like us no generation of Persians will ever grow up to be spoiled as we are.Then again, those who are protesting are de facto those who are closer to our existentialist mind frame...
Yup,for a revolution you need a whole lot of peasants with nothing to lose don't you?
Not a smartass question: Does it really matter that Ahmadinejad's re-election has evidently carried? I was under the impression that he was a straw man at best (or worst).Is he an impotent figurehead or not?
There is a video interview with author/journalist Reese Erlich. Video Title; Iran not a twitter Revolution, on channel "The Real News" (similar to democracy now)
Say's the uprising crosses all classes, it's neither the result of internet access nor CIA involvement
I only semi-enjoyed in the way a rational, logical person enjoys watching someone pontificate bullcrap for the sake of arguing in a most psychotic way. I grew bored with the pet in your last video...dude just likes to see himself type, hence my nonsense comment above.
"The way they r monitoring is not a trick just to scare us,they are taking actions against the info they have found So I am just going to lay low for a while.
Take care all and wish us luck."
Very Scary. My guess is that it is totally accurate.
If nothing else its obvious her fear is real. I have little doubt its even deeper than this...and hence my concern in this video for the folks with their courage to stand up and speak. I fear for them. Perhaps history will be ob their side...but that is hardly a consolation.
Yeh, the scary thing is that with all the internet/video "evidence" the government can stalk these protesters for years in a way that has never been possible in history. They can take their time and be very through.
Every tweet, blog, message, text is "evidence". Landline, e mail, mobil phone, website.
One second of your face on video is evidence.
The spy technology is pushing all the info through one choke point scanning for key words.
We will try to somehow pass the news as much as we can,but things are getting too risky over here,there is a lot that you guys don't know about how they r arresting ppl and what happens to some of them,where they are taken and how they are tortured(all I can say is that it is worst than what happened in revolution).
Don't talk about any of this stuff over the phone when you call Ir.I know it sounds scary,but it is true
Hey guys, I would not be around that much,we have real security issues over here and I have confirmed news that a lot of people are being arrested through Cyber stuff like videos,photos and internet posts.
They r monitoring everything closely now that they are a little bit free.
From a reader: "I got a very disturbing good bye message on Facebook from my cousin (who has been active in the Tehran protests). Please share my cousin's words with the world because I don't think people will know how many people are being killed and tortured until years from now (this is what happened during the crack down after the revolution) and please share this website with the people in Iran who need to know how to protect themselves."
The following is an account that I consider more accurate and credible than anything the Iran government or academics have to say. It is an account from a citizen of Iran, and with almost no details it conveys great truth regarding the level of corruption that gives me NO reason to trust ANYTHING the government has to say.(from huffington post) cont..
The Iranian people will soon be free to drink Coca cola! Yah for 'freedom. You're a sweet guy and i know you mean well, but take a long hard look at your own country.
My brother in law lived in iran for six years working for a chinese oil company...he said they drink coke...smuggled in from azerbhijan and they take the labels off and drink it warm for breakfast...and watch my other vlogs I am very critical of american policy
Yes but rafsanjani seems content playing this from the inside...trying to sway the theocrats to his way of thinking and that may be irans best hope for gradual bloodless change.
Let's not forget the ethnic divide that is older than islam. Persians and arabs have been fighting forever...and its an interesting note that barring syria...none of the arab nations like hamas at all. Hezbollah. A shiite arab group lost big in lebanon last election. I do see a change...but pendulums swing quick in this region
Hope you are doing ok my one eyed being friend. As for blaming technology for how it is abused...do we blame a knife company for a stabbing? I'm torn on that one
One thing the video response pointed out that I agree with--thie excuse of not being perceived as "meddling",etc. I can't take that seriously since on April 22 Sec of State Clinton announced the threat of "new sanctions" on Iran if continued its non compliance on nuclear issues. Well that's meddling! My point is that according to US and Israeli insiders they seem to want the "devil they know" Ahmedi etc etc...so the "non meddling" excuse is invoked, but just for this issue lol.
Del is a certfiable tunnel visioned neocon crackhead. Meddling in an election is not the same as nuclear proliferation. Comparing the two is simply silly. The devil doesn't change with the president. To think it does means you don't know how the iranian system works...the iman guardians are the policy makers...not the president. He is but a puppet. Regardless of who it is
Out of curiosity, if "the devil doesn't change with the president"...why is the clerical elite/Guardian council making a big deal about the election? Why don't they just let Mousavi win...they rule the roost anyways? I'm assuming they rigged the election...so why would they rig it against mousavi, if they rule anyways?
Whoa battim, you are right, it would be silly to compare meddling based on nukes and this internal uprising...but I am just wondering, what if meddling on the nuke issue wont' create a backlash & re-stimulate Iran to pursue nuclear weaponization (supposedly suspended in 2003, according to N.I.E.)...and what about the$400 million passed by Congress in 2008, having nary to do with the nukes issue, to support the terrorist MUK in Iran...that's more than meddling!
Two reasons. The oil ministry being the big one. As long as cash is being poured into the guard...the celiphate doesn't care much about the oil as long as its paying bills. Rafsanjani and moussavi has close self interested ties to oil...ahmehdinajhad does not. The second is clear...ahmejinadad has a clear disdain for independant clerics...a rafsanjani led moussavi puppeted presidency gives these cleric more local control. None of this affects foreign policy. Its internal policy.
You know, this may sound like blasphemy, but I think there would be a bigger problem (for the ayatollah) if they rigged it for Mousavi. Then theyed have an angry peasant mob, rather than a friendly bunch of students (exaggeration).
From that point of view you get a whole new perspective on Persia, as an extremely unstable ununited nation tending not only to revolution, but civil war! Then again,zthe peasants probably wouldn't bother as long as things stayed stable economically(as if they are).
In the end...it doesn't matter. In fact ahmadinejad might make for a better negotiating nemnesis considering world opinion is against him. The mullahs underestimated the rage the world felt over their theocratic rule...and didn't realize it was festering within.
good vid. we saw the same people when the US forced a coup on Venezuela. the wealthy elite.
I personally have nothing against Akmadeenajaad, because there isn't any proof that he said he would wipe Israel off the face of the map. he was speaking of the land robbing Zionists.
I think those Mousavi elite will be damn near squeezed out of power one way or another. I don't see them forgiving or forgetting this. And looking at Ahmadinejad's "generosity" i.e. sending checks to people, it is going to pay to be loyal. Liberalization is an undercard issue politically, for any system, it really boils down to how much support the opposition has when all the dust settles. Opposition now has time to fine-tune their new media weapons, while the entrenched have time to censor it.
I don't know if I can bare to watch, it takes a certain degree of mental preparation to stomach is bullshit. I'll check it out when his last ignorant comment wears off...
The preparation was well worth it. The way he twisted everything, as usual, doesn't even warrant a response. 7 minutes of bullshit revisionism that would take hours to re-educate him about things like history and politics, only to be handed back a straw man because he knows his stance is indefensible when challenged with reason.
I don't know about Mousavi not being reformist, anything involving women's rights in a Islamic republic is what the Iranian Bill O'reilly's would call the "far left extremists", or what they actually call them, "zionist western invaders". I would also disagree about that cross section, I have heard that there are some unions involved, to what extent I don't know.
P.S. That CNN "phone call" sounded really weird, I might have to agree with Iranian state media and say that might have been staged.
I'm basically on the fence about the whole thing, I think this needs to play out a little more before making any long term definitive calls. Its clear all parties are bullshitting to some degree.
Oh loookee, someone who looked at my user name, ignored the actual points, and decided to judge me with a fail straw man. Occupying other countries and wondering why they hate your guts, well that's just Jew hating obviously. I'm not going to sit here and do this again with you until you take your head out of your ass.
dude revolution just makes it up as he goes. he doesnt discuss idea,s he attack people. twain spoke of folks who talk about people...instead of ideas.
He tried to basically paint Israel as an angel in one of his bullshit videos where he feigns his support for Iranian "revolution", and how we'll all live happily ever after if Iran just does what neocons have been egging it to do for years. I called him out on it, he took one look at my user name, and claimed I wanted to see Jews dead in the street. Completely avoided the points. He has his little "don't tread on me" flag, but throws a hissy fit when our enemies adopt that same idea.
No country fighting for its survival is an angel. I can't wrap my mind around what it must be to govern a country all its neighbors want to see go byebye. I sympathize with both isreal's plight and the plight of the palestinian people. i see fault and merit on both sides.
No doubt, and I specifically brought up the settlement expansion and illegal outposts (which eventually become settlements), those are completely inflammatory to a peace process, but mentioning those things on CG's channel is asking for an ad hominem. I don't think extremist groups can maintain power if the border laws are obeyed and they aren't being sanction/bombed on a whim, the moderates will see who the problem is. I don't think Mousavi is anti-Hezbollah, so CG's wet dream is bull anyway.
even most jews in israel agree the settlements have to stop. i think mousavi is very pro-hezbollahm in fact irans supprt of them was ramped up during his tenure.
Of course he's power structure, he ran for president the legal way. I'm just saying, throwing the baby out with the bathwater isn't a good idea even if he is for baby steps. Take what you can get. How is he not for women's rights? He said he would review laws that discriminate them.
im not thrwoing the baby out with the bathwater, i just don't feel the president has any real power other than a mouthpeice for the guardians. HE said he'd review them, of course, but the way iranians government works it has to pass through the guardians first. his review will be disregarded. in fact, because of the recent insurrection, i fear women will lose power, not gain it. the house is ruled by islamic law, doesnt bode well for the XY gene.
Well I don't think that's a reason to call him a non-reformist, I'd say he is up against a non-reformist political machine. I think everyone is going to lose power over this, and a large section of government supporters don't mind anyway because they think their government has kept them safe (who have we heard that from before). In a sense though, the Mousavi camp does have some capital. The educated are the future of Iran, if they lose them, they'll cave in eventually. Basijis won't save them.
the reasno to call him a non reformist is because in all his years, even we he was president, he did nothing. it would be like saying bush could come back in 15 years and be a reformist. cmon. he was trying to get the female vote, no more, no less. his previous actions indicate no reform.
If he courts a constituency, he is obligated to uphold his promises or they will can him (in an ideal democracy). Then again, the 80s were a completely different time, look at our own tolerance for homosexuality, discussing aids, tons of social issues. Also, some priorities were more important than women's rights then, like their safety from American stooge Saddam. One of Mousavi's daughters doesn't even wear the hijab, I think that at least tells us where his heart is.
well.his heart doesnt make policy. the imans do. we will see a reshuffling among the elite. Those who backed Mousavi will be on the defensive. By contrast, those who supported Ahmadinejad are in a powerful position. There is a massive crisis in the elite, but this crisis has nothing to do with liberalization: It has to do with power and prerogatives among the elite.
We don't really know what is happening in Iran. We have the vagueness of twitter and amateur video. Of course, there is no Revolution. This is merely a step in the process. We could facilitate that with the right attitude. The Iranian government has a virtual media blackout.
a small step in a very long process. i'm not sure persians give a shit what we think either way, honestly. i hear folks blaming bush for iran, and that is crap and i hear people giving obama credit for the demonstrations, and i think thats crap too. i think the spirit of democracy has always been there...regardless of america
i was teasing about alex jones, i know youre not a 911 truther. i never claimed i wanted a world without border, ever. i'd like you to point out where i made that statement, ever. now a north american union was something bush was pushing for, thats for certain.
I was speaking of absolutism in the sense of the notion that one supports everything a candidate does just because he supports one position. Don't obfuscate. You are all over the map in your video and in this discourse.
Values are a separate issue and aren't a bad thing, and defending them is necessary.
how am i all over the map, sir? because i dont have a narrow minded view of the world you mean? or is it the fact that you simply can't stand to think that maybe its none of our goddamned business what happens in iran. i mean, talk about all over the map, as a patriot, wy would you ignore washington warning of meddling in other countries affairs? or is it simply to admonish obama again?
You support many of Obama's positions. Not the least of which is Globalism, which Gordon Brown and Obama discussed by NAME, no less as virtuous. Your comments of 'a world without borders' is exactly that.
When called out on it, you defend with 'Alex Jones' accusations towards me in a joking manner when you should know better...
You say great things are happening, but still speak in conspiratorial nonsense while accusing others of that.
i never said anything about a world without borders. you did. i simply stated i have never advocated such a thing, i simply stated your boy, bush, advocated such a thing and reagan and bush 41 also were big fans of it. when did i ever defend alex jones, sir? ive done a half dozen videos making fun of him. when have i ever supported a world without borders. you make a claim, source it. what is conspiratorial about saying there is a power play happnening, there is.
BTW, You are the one referring to 'Power Brokers'. Might as well call them 'Neocons'. It's just the new name for the bogeyman which people like yourself can't provide evidence of.
power brokers within the iranian system. to ignore there are power brokers is to not see reality. obama is a power broker. emmanuel is. the neocons are. all of them are. to not see that is to ignore reality. but i was speaking to power brokers within iran...and they are power brokers. thats why they are electorally vying for power. lol.
I appreciate your interest in Iran. there are a lot of clashes in small cities too. today, some clerics joined too wearing green ribbons. this is growing
i hope it is. the point i am making is we need to see the other signs of successful revolution before we can act, either as a country or as a community of people.
the protesters are not all of the educated middle class. you underestimate the chance of regime change
i agree that it will take time to really know what happened. The 79 revolution took a year to play out. If there is a change in regime it is not likely to be more isolationist than the current one.
The guys leading the opposition are motivated by getting iran more involved in global commerce. They are fed up with the country not making economic progress.
certainly and i speak to that. its their economic self interest that guides them. nothing i've seen indicates regime change. nothing. its amazing how quiet rafsanjani and moussavi are of late, huh?
Yeah, Battim, I'm one of those NWO talkers, so I'll refrain from adding any of the instability for nefarious ends conspiracies and wag the dog/strawman type stuff.
I will say, that being one of these people has made me less interested in any of the particulars of alot of current events, so I don't keep up with it, cuz I know the outcome anyway. That said, if I'm gunna watch vid on Iran, I'll watch yours. You seem to really care about these people.
Thanks. I don't think competive forces are as in synch as nwo theories seem to think they are...hence the reasons they constantly work against each other. Spy on each other, and have proxies mess up their plans. I think there is a differerence between competitive forces manipulating markets and geopolitics and the idea they are all in cohoots...
Oh dude, don't get me started, I was willing to leave this discussion to Iran.
Battim, pretend people like you and me are in control of these nefarious covert forces. Wouldn't we stage such things to throw off suspicion of conspiracy between our groups and operatives? We're not fools, we could cook that shit up over a few bong hits. Then laugh it up as we see our little play unfold on the news exactly as we planned. It is what I know I can do in their place that makes me afraid.
Let me add, that not everyone is in on these black ops, and people are bungling things all the time that aren't in the know. They are just doing their job or have political/ideological reservations about the activities they are witness to.
well i do know that there are coersive secret workings where different groups are worknig against each other for their own self interests and national interests. i don't see an indication that these competitive forces are working in conjunction with each other any more than they have to for there own goals, not the goal of a one world government.
Nothing in that article indicates a government is complicit in how iran chose to use that technology. nothing. and of course surveillance happens, it always has. privately and publically. i've done a few vlogs on this being the wave of the future, does that imply that the governments wanted iran to abuse it? certainly not.
I don't know what tbgx1's article says, I'm busy getting counter-strike on this laptop for a up coming vid, pouring a clay skull out of a plaster mold and getting ready to make a vid about Michael Jackson's passing. Like I said I don't have time to dig through the articles anymore, I'll just watch Battim vidz on this affair.
Battim, I want to respect your wishes to keep this Iran focused. I wonder how far you've looked into what I am talking about though. Bilderberg is a nice google search.
no, he and i disagree on quite a bit. i only rip into folks who come to my videos and start insulting me from the get. as you did. you set the tone. not me. he has seen my alex jones videos where i giggle at alex jones and his theories...but he comes here with respect, even when we disagree, you come here from the get and ridicule. so you get it back, and you are so fun to fuck with, you get so upset, its so much fun watching your paranoid little delusions get the best of you
Additionally, Alex Jones does excellent coverage of what I talk of, his movies are on google video and youtube. WATCH THEM ALL!! to get a clear picture of what these NWO people believe. I know you don't see much evidence of these activities, but have you ever seen a billion dollars? Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I'll refrain from this talk from here out. Thank you for your patience.
Well, you are free to make that choice. Academics only tell the official story, which could have slight fabrication. Written history will always be subjective tales based on facts.
i just don't consider alex jones who scares folks into not giving their kids vaccines as academic sources. i am not dismissing that there are groups who think they can do things, i simply look at history and realize too many competitors with big weapons will never allow it.
WoW, this full pack steam installer is taking forever, so I have a few more moments.
Battim, I understand your point, but I still think there is much truth in his research. He uses the same official reports you have access to. I don't want to go into the lengthy details, here in a comment stream I just swore I wouldn't do that in. I'll keep it all 1979 hostage crisis, uranium enrichment, Iraq vs Iran and Ayatollahs for ya. :)
i think he weaves truth with disasscoiated facts to make generalizations with no merit. do i beleive bilderburg thinks it makes a difference, yes. do i believe they actually do? not really. not on a macro scale.
Well, you are free to make that decision. And we can agree to disagree. We can just focus on Iran. I think Iran is gunna be what touches off some major shit. China and Russia don't want us or the Israelis going in there, into their backyard. They have many interests in that country, oil for one. Ahmadouchebag, is able to operate like he does knowing this. I actually keep my eye on Pakistan whenever I actually watch the news and see a report on it. However, that is off topic.
Pakistan is a whole other beast. lots more people and very very diverse in its culture. pakistan is a scary place. you are correct about china and russia and its these very poins that make my cynical of any one world government
Iran is in the news all the time now because it is next on the target list of the USA, which is on a quest to dominate the greatest oil producing region in the world. The west wants nothing less than a puppet regime that will open the country to their own industry and control. If and when this happens the people will lose their sovereignty in the name of "democracy" which will be an empty word representing the domination of their nation by transnational financial powers.
undeadpresident 1 year ago
Thanks for your reflective and inquisitive attitude, very educational
norehct 2 years ago
Why should the US, or any other country for that matter, be so concerned about sticking their collective noses into another country's matters? This is why America has become so hated across the globe. We're not supposed to be the World's Cop. Nowhere within the Constitution is it allowed for America to establish it's hegemony across the world.
joe80dman 2 years ago
You seem greatly concerned for international issues, which in truth, do affect the US domestically, but we have our own problems at home in the US, which somehow I seem to notice, do not seem to concern you as much. I wonder why.
bhibatsu 2 years ago
everyone has their own sphere of study. foeign policy is a global economy isn't disconnected from foreign policy.
battim 2 years ago
Democracy: 51% of the people say 49% should be killed, so, they are killed.
Republic: Even if 99.9% of the people say that 0.01% of the people should be killed, abused, robbed, kicked out of their homes, etc, regardless, their inalienable rights must be upheld.
Democracy, is a dirty word dude.
You said you're always learning.
So are the smart ones among us.
So learn.
bhibatsu 2 years ago
their inalienable rights in iran aren't upheld. they are imprisoned, raped and tortured for expressing themselves. the smart ones know the difference between theocracy and a republic.
battim 2 years ago
This goes on all over the world
jedimasterbooboo 2 years ago
mussavi wants that iran will have a nuclear weapons so hes the same like ahmednijad, both should die
MatanIdelman 2 years ago
@Matanldelman: Well, so does the US, Pakistan, Israel, and India. Should they all die as well?
joe80dman 2 years ago
no one of the countries that you mentioned says that they will eliminate another nation.
they go by the same way as hitler did.
MatanIdelman 2 years ago
@Matanldelman: Let us not forget history now. The US has been the only country in history to use an atomic weapon against another country.
joe80dman 2 years ago
so ur sayin that we should let iran keep nuclear weapon even they say they gonna erase israel from the map?
MatanIdelman 2 years ago
@Matanldelman: Who says Iran wants to "wipe Israel off the map"? The MSM? I can't recall the last time the MSM told us the truth. The MSM has lied, and distorted current events on a regular basis. Besides, Israel is well-capable of defending itself. The US has given them enough armaments, cold-hard-cash, and technology, to thwart any perceived assault from any country.
joe80dman 2 years ago
common man.
every speech of ahmednijad he says that he want to wipe israel and they will erase us.
doesnt matter how capable we are, we cant take the chance that nuclear bomb will fall here, am i right?
if there is even 0.00001% that it will happen, we will do anything to stop it, and bombing their nuclear facilities.
MatanIdelman 2 years ago
Wrong, we discuss eliminating other nations. We are a threat to Iran, watch the Bill O Reiley Interview with the leader of the Ayn Rand Institute, he said we should eliminate the Entire country of Iran INCLUDING the people. We are a HUGE threat to the Middle east so by your logic they should bomb our asses.
jedimasterbooboo 2 years ago
who is "we"?
MatanIdelman 2 years ago
Sorry, I gave instruction to watch an OReilley interview, so the "we" is clear. I also was responding to someone that acts like "WE" don't do that, so if you're following the conversation you wouldn't be asking me this. Answer= Western Powers
jedimasterbooboo 2 years ago
the fanatical islam is the threat here, not the western nations.
the western nation just trys to protect the citizens.
MatanIdelman 2 years ago
@ M blah blah blah, same old drum beating. People that know the way that the US behaves globally don't barf the party line like you're doing now.
jedimasterbooboo 2 years ago
someone from a think tank is not who makes policy. who is government is discussing eliminating iran? noone.
battim 2 years ago
I understand that you can use "Think tank" to win the argument, but in reality, listening to Dick Cheney over the years and others, one does not have to believe in Conspiracies to know that some in the US elite would like to war with Iran, AND basic study of US actions on the Global scene even since the 80's shows that we should be considered a rogue nation that violates or just doesn't care one iota about international law or standards. Read Chomsky (I'm sure you know him) Good Video BTW!
jedimasterbooboo 2 years ago
2005 The Leader of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has issued the Fatwa that the production, stockpiling and use of nuclear weapons are forbidden under Islam and that Iran shall never acquire these weapons.
norehct 2 years ago
thats why less then 1 mounth ago, a secret cartification has been published that iran wants to buy a atmic bomb connecting terminal?
if thats so careless why they want to keep those nuclear places active when all the word is telling them to stop? just for electricity? i dont think so
MatanIdelman 2 years ago
Do you mean the document published in the Times on December 14? Former CIA say its fake, and yes they have the right to use electricity. Find out who Philip Giraldi is.
norehct 2 years ago
fhinancy, its not good for them.
they can keep the old way of electricity and waste more money but to save the western countrys, or to save the nuclear and to get the sanctions.
but they keep the nucler->makes the full legitimacy to attack them\put sanctions on them cuz of the big risk.
they keep threat the westen+they got nucler= it wont end in a good way.
MatanIdelman 2 years ago
Iran has a right to develop nuclear power under the Non-Proliferation Treaty
norehct 2 years ago
when its for good means, and not for killing peoples.
and now they are doing it for killing peoples
MatanIdelman 2 years ago
This is what I was saying the first week that this all happened. Then everyone called me a people hater for standing up for the majority in Iran. If the majority wants to continue with a Theocratic state then they vote and thats what they get. They have voted and their voice was heard.
ROFLGeek 2 years ago 3
revolutions take years to happen, don't jusde too fast.
most people in protests were working class.
workers cant go on strike yet, workers unions are in control of govornment, 10% of iranian workers are NOT permanent employees.
look at the demos again. there are women with chador, old men and women clearly from working classes.
Ahmadinejad's supporters are far richer (Sepah) and have access to all sorts of media, including internet- phone etc mobile phone is not such a luxury in Iran
ela03nb 2 years ago
funny. you ignore the head of this revolt, the clerics involved are oil guys. you ignore that none of the older men identified were working class (most of the same faces we saw were professors and in jail now). the women in chador were students. lol. there is nothing clearly about it. lol. the working class did not strike. ahmadenijads supporters by all account are the poor. lol. your info is bad.
battim 2 years ago
How would the reformists who say they want a more open dialogue with the west will react to being attacked by Israel?
Do the reformists want to scale back the nuke program? Do they agree with us when we claim the regime is developing weapons? Do they think they have a right to the weapons anyway? Will Israel's destroying it (and inevitably killing a civilian or two) harden them back up, change their stance, bring them more in line with the hardline government that sees enemies everywhere?
benjamin015 2 years ago
do you think Israel will eventually attack Iran to stop the alleged military nuclear program?
a2tis 2 years ago
a lot has to happen yet....
battim 2 years ago
Israhell doesn't have much sense, but they do have enough sense not to invade Iran. The zionazis are keeping plenty busy murdering innocence. Check out Amnesty Internation and B'Tselem to see the WAR CRIMES THEY'VE COMMITTED.
itrainsinoctober 2 years ago 2
Hello battim,
Long time no chat.
Most religions are ran by evil cults, Muslims are no exception.
If China adapts to hamburger eating democracy, then China will have 20 million prisoners. Look at the Amerikan jails, 2.5 million prisoners at the costs of 75 billion USD each and every year.
I do not know if it's true, but I read over 90% of Americans would not take their family to the park due to fear of extremely bad elements.
DogshitLama 2 years ago
yea i hear ya bat tim fuck the middle east
pooshitcrapturds 2 years ago
the tsunami was an inside job the wave traveled faster than free fall speed only possible with a false flag wave
TsunamiTruth 2 years ago
ahaha you are kidding me right?
RaindropsFantasia 2 years ago
The most important group of religious leaders in Iran has called the disputed presidential election and the new government illegitimate, an act of defiance against the country's supreme leader and the most public sign of a major split in the country's clerical establishment.
The statement by the Association of Researchers and Teachers of Qum represents a significant setback for the government and the authority of the supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, whose word is supposed to be final
tbgx1 2 years ago
from huffington post,
tbgx1 2 years ago
Israel is not the way. Revo is.
J1Goro 2 years ago
I know it's not internet cool to not support the protesters but after giving it a lot of thought I simply cannot do so. Perhaps it's due the the skewed facts we are getting through our media but I cannot see the "butcher of Beirut" as a shining symbol of anything if Iran truly does desire change.
Seeing interviews with Evgeny Morozov is enough for me to sit in disbelief that they are actually done in The Washington Post and then brushed off as truth and unbiased.
childofares 2 years ago
I know some really brave Iranians who are risking their lives over there translating Atheist vids and books from english to farsi. They say the protestors are mostly "secular", and they may be as you say, the english speaking educated elites.....still, I think going after religion in general might help loosen the grip that it has over Iran.
ATHEISTIQ 2 years ago
pretty blonde man
bruisedcunt 2 years ago
reform is not the way, revolution is.
sexdrugsRnR 2 years ago
This is sparta
ANALFINISH 2 years ago
good vid
Greensborrow210 2 years ago
Obviously it would be more comforting had Mir-Hossein been elected, but I'm not certain it is our place to interfere with their country.
Unfortunately this is their civil war, and the more our country interferes the more dangerous it could be for us in the long run.
Bennetttt 2 years ago
hello old friend, how ya been?
battim 2 years ago
I'm good, excellent. Don't comment as much as I used to, but I still enjoy your videos. Much of You Tube's regulars have suffered inflated egos of disgustingly nauseating proportions which you have completely managed to avoid by just being yourself. You've been quite genuine, which is still quite respectable.
Bennetttt 2 years ago
thanks, ill put on the mask again one day...if i can find it
battim 2 years ago
Lol. Ahmadouchebag. Total BS that Persians are coerced by Western media. That's one step away from making it into a Reptilian Jewish World Order conspiracy.
VonHOG 2 years ago 2
There will be a nuke blast in Israel, no doubt about that. Afterwards, New Jewish World order will start to fuck ev1 on this planet, but it will fail in the end. And Battim seem be be gaining weight.
TempletonIII 2 years ago
Well those are big predictions. And I've lost five pounds since last year...must be video
battim 2 years ago
Beside all the discussions, please do not forget Iranians and follow the news. This is beginning of the end.
zehtabech 2 years ago
Smacked the issue right on you did.
The funny thing is, from a (S.P. Huntington thinks Israel isn't western,I agree) developed point of view your video entices Persians not to protest,but if they be selfish and cowardly like us no generation of Persians will ever grow up to be spoiled as we are.Then again, those who are protesting are de facto those who are closer to our existentialist mind frame...
Yup,for a revolution you need a whole lot of peasants with nothing to lose don't you?
NWO!!!
Dgrainboy 2 years ago
Not a smartass question: Does it really matter that Ahmadinejad's re-election has evidently carried? I was under the impression that he was a straw man at best (or worst).Is he an impotent figurehead or not?
MSWmson 2 years ago
your impression was correct, i speak to that in the vlog.
battim 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
If you believe..... you can never lose
If you keep true to yourselves... you will never lose
If you go on... because you count... you will taste victory
If you continue to be smart and strong.... you will enjoy the brighter future
innergy111 2 years ago
except the thousands in prison
battim 2 years ago
Amazing vid, one of your best. I couldn't agree more with everything you said (and you know I usually dont).
DuffMc81 2 years ago
watch tunnel viioned boys response. he's like rush limbaugh after an eight ball.
battim 2 years ago
On top of all the crazy stuff this week, our cat died today :(
faithm 2 years ago
im sorry to hear that.
battim 2 years ago
thanks. :D (now billy mays too!)
faithm 2 years ago
There is a video interview with author/journalist Reese Erlich. Video Title; Iran not a twitter Revolution, on channel "The Real News" (similar to democracy now)
Say's the uprising crosses all classes, it's neither the result of internet access nor CIA involvement
tbgx1 2 years ago
briefs, boxers or boxer briefs?
Michelle5451 2 years ago
did you enjoy angry rush limbaugh boys response?
battim 2 years ago
I only semi-enjoyed in the way a rational, logical person enjoys watching someone pontificate bullcrap for the sake of arguing in a most psychotic way. I grew bored with the pet in your last video...dude just likes to see himself type, hence my nonsense comment above.
Michelle5451 2 years ago
This last part is crucial.
"The way they r monitoring is not a trick just to scare us,they are taking actions against the info they have found So I am just going to lay low for a while.
Take care all and wish us luck."
Very Scary. My guess is that it is totally accurate.
tbgx1 2 years ago
If nothing else its obvious her fear is real. I have little doubt its even deeper than this...and hence my concern in this video for the folks with their courage to stand up and speak. I fear for them. Perhaps history will be ob their side...but that is hardly a consolation.
battim 2 years ago
Yeh, the scary thing is that with all the internet/video "evidence" the government can stalk these protesters for years in a way that has never been possible in history. They can take their time and be very through.
Every tweet, blog, message, text is "evidence". Landline, e mail, mobil phone, website.
One second of your face on video is evidence.
The spy technology is pushing all the info through one choke point scanning for key words.
tbgx1 2 years ago
We will try to somehow pass the news as much as we can,but things are getting too risky over here,there is a lot that you guys don't know about how they r arresting ppl and what happens to some of them,where they are taken and how they are tortured(all I can say is that it is worst than what happened in revolution).
Don't talk about any of this stuff over the phone when you call Ir.I know it sounds scary,but it is true
cont..
tbgx1 2 years ago
The note from her cousin
Hey guys, I would not be around that much,we have real security issues over here and I have confirmed news that a lot of people are being arrested through Cyber stuff like videos,photos and internet posts.
They r monitoring everything closely now that they are a little bit free.
cont
tbgx1 2 years ago
From a reader: "I got a very disturbing good bye message on Facebook from my cousin (who has been active in the Tehran protests). Please share my cousin's words with the world because I don't think people will know how many people are being killed and tortured until years from now (this is what happened during the crack down after the revolution) and please share this website with the people in Iran who need to know how to protect themselves."
cont..
tbgx1 2 years ago
The following is an account that I consider more accurate and credible than anything the Iran government or academics have to say. It is an account from a citizen of Iran, and with almost no details it conveys great truth regarding the level of corruption that gives me NO reason to trust ANYTHING the government has to say.(from huffington post) cont..
tbgx1 2 years ago
I am certain the crackdown will get worse before it gets better...thanks for sharing this
battim 2 years ago
The Iranian people will soon be free to drink Coca cola! Yah for 'freedom. You're a sweet guy and i know you mean well, but take a long hard look at your own country.
youhadmeathello29 2 years ago
My brother in law lived in iran for six years working for a chinese oil company...he said they drink coke...smuggled in from azerbhijan and they take the labels off and drink it warm for breakfast...and watch my other vlogs I am very critical of american policy
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TheMercilessEye 2 years ago
Yes but rafsanjani seems content playing this from the inside...trying to sway the theocrats to his way of thinking and that may be irans best hope for gradual bloodless change.
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TheMercilessEye 2 years ago
Let's not forget the ethnic divide that is older than islam. Persians and arabs have been fighting forever...and its an interesting note that barring syria...none of the arab nations like hamas at all. Hezbollah. A shiite arab group lost big in lebanon last election. I do see a change...but pendulums swing quick in this region
battim 2 years ago
Hope you are doing ok my one eyed being friend. As for blaming technology for how it is abused...do we blame a knife company for a stabbing? I'm torn on that one
battim 2 years ago
One thing the video response pointed out that I agree with--thie excuse of not being perceived as "meddling",etc. I can't take that seriously since on April 22 Sec of State Clinton announced the threat of "new sanctions" on Iran if continued its non compliance on nuclear issues. Well that's meddling! My point is that according to US and Israeli insiders they seem to want the "devil they know" Ahmedi etc etc...so the "non meddling" excuse is invoked, but just for this issue lol.
KingOfAllMorons 2 years ago
Del is a certfiable tunnel visioned neocon crackhead. Meddling in an election is not the same as nuclear proliferation. Comparing the two is simply silly. The devil doesn't change with the president. To think it does means you don't know how the iranian system works...the iman guardians are the policy makers...not the president. He is but a puppet. Regardless of who it is
battim 2 years ago
Out of curiosity, if "the devil doesn't change with the president"...why is the clerical elite/Guardian council making a big deal about the election? Why don't they just let Mousavi win...they rule the roost anyways? I'm assuming they rigged the election...so why would they rig it against mousavi, if they rule anyways?
KingOfAllMorons 2 years ago
Whoa battim, you are right, it would be silly to compare meddling based on nukes and this internal uprising...but I am just wondering, what if meddling on the nuke issue wont' create a backlash & re-stimulate Iran to pursue nuclear weaponization (supposedly suspended in 2003, according to N.I.E.)...and what about the$400 million passed by Congress in 2008, having nary to do with the nukes issue, to support the terrorist MUK in Iran...that's more than meddling!
KingOfAllMorons 2 years ago
Two reasons. The oil ministry being the big one. As long as cash is being poured into the guard...the celiphate doesn't care much about the oil as long as its paying bills. Rafsanjani and moussavi has close self interested ties to oil...ahmehdinajhad does not. The second is clear...ahmejinadad has a clear disdain for independant clerics...a rafsanjani led moussavi puppeted presidency gives these cleric more local control. None of this affects foreign policy. Its internal policy.
battim 2 years ago
Honestly, I just don't know enough about Iran. So I will read up more on the internal dynamics, thanks for this response.
KingOfAllMorons 2 years ago
Want me to send you some good sources? I'm on my google phone now but when I get home I can. As always thanks for your response
battim 2 years ago
Sure, please do! Send me the sources and thanks to you as well.
KingOfAllMorons 2 years ago
You know, this may sound like blasphemy, but I think there would be a bigger problem (for the ayatollah) if they rigged it for Mousavi. Then theyed have an angry peasant mob, rather than a friendly bunch of students (exaggeration).
From that point of view you get a whole new perspective on Persia, as an extremely unstable ununited nation tending not only to revolution, but civil war! Then again,zthe peasants probably wouldn't bother as long as things stayed stable economically(as if they are).
Dgrainboy 2 years ago
At least you understand it's not a revolution.
staringintotheabyss 2 years ago
Its boils down to this question i believe, whom will US be better off Ahmadi or Mousavi?
h0tie 2 years ago
In the end...it doesn't matter. In fact ahmadinejad might make for a better negotiating nemnesis considering world opinion is against him. The mullahs underestimated the rage the world felt over their theocratic rule...and didn't realize it was festering within.
battim 2 years ago
you think your any better than revofcg? your just as clueless
Justice4all311 2 years ago
Care to take a stab at an actual idea their swami or like revolutionofcg you just like being personal and not discuss ideas chacha?
battim 2 years ago
good vid. we saw the same people when the US forced a coup on Venezuela. the wealthy elite.
I personally have nothing against Akmadeenajaad, because there isn't any proof that he said he would wipe Israel off the face of the map. he was speaking of the land robbing Zionists.
LouieArrighi 2 years ago
I think those Mousavi elite will be damn near squeezed out of power one way or another. I don't see them forgiving or forgetting this. And looking at Ahmadinejad's "generosity" i.e. sending checks to people, it is going to pay to be loyal. Liberalization is an undercard issue politically, for any system, it really boils down to how much support the opposition has when all the dust settles. Opposition now has time to fine-tune their new media weapons, while the entrenched have time to censor it.
abortabraham 2 years ago
did you see revolutions respnse to this video? its quite comical.
battim 2 years ago
I don't know if I can bare to watch, it takes a certain degree of mental preparation to stomach is bullshit. I'll check it out when his last ignorant comment wears off...
abortabraham 2 years ago
The preparation was well worth it. The way he twisted everything, as usual, doesn't even warrant a response. 7 minutes of bullshit revisionism that would take hours to re-educate him about things like history and politics, only to be handed back a straw man because he knows his stance is indefensible when challenged with reason.
abortabraham 2 years ago
Rock on Batman
JohnLWright 2 years ago
hey hey johnny boy
battim 2 years ago
I don't know about Mousavi not being reformist, anything involving women's rights in a Islamic republic is what the Iranian Bill O'reilly's would call the "far left extremists", or what they actually call them, "zionist western invaders". I would also disagree about that cross section, I have heard that there are some unions involved, to what extent I don't know.
P.S. That CNN "phone call" sounded really weird, I might have to agree with Iranian state media and say that might have been staged.
abortabraham 2 years ago
I'm basically on the fence about the whole thing, I think this needs to play out a little more before making any long term definitive calls. Its clear all parties are bullshitting to some degree.
abortabraham 2 years ago
Oh, loookee... It's our friend, the Jew-hater.
RevolutionOfCG 2 years ago
Oh loookee, someone who looked at my user name, ignored the actual points, and decided to judge me with a fail straw man. Occupying other countries and wondering why they hate your guts, well that's just Jew hating obviously. I'm not going to sit here and do this again with you until you take your head out of your ass.
abortabraham 2 years ago 2
dude revolution just makes it up as he goes. he doesnt discuss idea,s he attack people. twain spoke of folks who talk about people...instead of ideas.
battim 2 years ago
He tried to basically paint Israel as an angel in one of his bullshit videos where he feigns his support for Iranian "revolution", and how we'll all live happily ever after if Iran just does what neocons have been egging it to do for years. I called him out on it, he took one look at my user name, and claimed I wanted to see Jews dead in the street. Completely avoided the points. He has his little "don't tread on me" flag, but throws a hissy fit when our enemies adopt that same idea.
abortabraham 2 years ago
No country fighting for its survival is an angel. I can't wrap my mind around what it must be to govern a country all its neighbors want to see go byebye. I sympathize with both isreal's plight and the plight of the palestinian people. i see fault and merit on both sides.
battim 2 years ago
No doubt, and I specifically brought up the settlement expansion and illegal outposts (which eventually become settlements), those are completely inflammatory to a peace process, but mentioning those things on CG's channel is asking for an ad hominem. I don't think extremist groups can maintain power if the border laws are obeyed and they aren't being sanction/bombed on a whim, the moderates will see who the problem is. I don't think Mousavi is anti-Hezbollah, so CG's wet dream is bull anyway.
abortabraham 2 years ago
even most jews in israel agree the settlements have to stop. i think mousavi is very pro-hezbollahm in fact irans supprt of them was ramped up during his tenure.
battim 2 years ago
moussavi's history as a member of iranian power core has never been one of womens rights. ever. the unions ignored the strike.
battim 2 years ago
Of course he's power structure, he ran for president the legal way. I'm just saying, throwing the baby out with the bathwater isn't a good idea even if he is for baby steps. Take what you can get. How is he not for women's rights? He said he would review laws that discriminate them.
Well we have different sources on the unions.
abortabraham 2 years ago
im not thrwoing the baby out with the bathwater, i just don't feel the president has any real power other than a mouthpeice for the guardians. HE said he'd review them, of course, but the way iranians government works it has to pass through the guardians first. his review will be disregarded. in fact, because of the recent insurrection, i fear women will lose power, not gain it. the house is ruled by islamic law, doesnt bode well for the XY gene.
battim 2 years ago
Well I don't think that's a reason to call him a non-reformist, I'd say he is up against a non-reformist political machine. I think everyone is going to lose power over this, and a large section of government supporters don't mind anyway because they think their government has kept them safe (who have we heard that from before). In a sense though, the Mousavi camp does have some capital. The educated are the future of Iran, if they lose them, they'll cave in eventually. Basijis won't save them.
abortabraham 2 years ago
the reasno to call him a non reformist is because in all his years, even we he was president, he did nothing. it would be like saying bush could come back in 15 years and be a reformist. cmon. he was trying to get the female vote, no more, no less. his previous actions indicate no reform.
battim 2 years ago
If he courts a constituency, he is obligated to uphold his promises or they will can him (in an ideal democracy). Then again, the 80s were a completely different time, look at our own tolerance for homosexuality, discussing aids, tons of social issues. Also, some priorities were more important than women's rights then, like their safety from American stooge Saddam. One of Mousavi's daughters doesn't even wear the hijab, I think that at least tells us where his heart is.
abortabraham 2 years ago
well.his heart doesnt make policy. the imans do. we will see a reshuffling among the elite. Those who backed Mousavi will be on the defensive. By contrast, those who supported Ahmadinejad are in a powerful position. There is a massive crisis in the elite, but this crisis has nothing to do with liberalization: It has to do with power and prerogatives among the elite.
battim 2 years ago
Go reformers!! I love it! Fight!
Rh1no1 2 years ago
what i fear is, that fight might kill them all.
battim 2 years ago
We don't really know what is happening in Iran. We have the vagueness of twitter and amateur video. Of course, there is no Revolution. This is merely a step in the process. We could facilitate that with the right attitude. The Iranian government has a virtual media blackout.
RevolutionOfCG 2 years ago
a small step in a very long process. i'm not sure persians give a shit what we think either way, honestly. i hear folks blaming bush for iran, and that is crap and i hear people giving obama credit for the demonstrations, and i think thats crap too. i think the spirit of democracy has always been there...regardless of america
battim 2 years ago
Globalism is the enemy.
RevolutionOfCG 2 years ago
you getting all alex jones on me too?
battim 2 years ago
No, I am patriotic. Nothing about Globalism is Patriotism.
You want a world without borders? Move to the hellhole formerly known as Europe.
An effete combination of various former great nations and cultures that have castrated themselves for the sake of the 'common welfare'.
You could also try to locate a fictional Star Trek Universe. Globalism existed on the show, but not Galacticism. haha.
RevolutionOfCG 2 years ago
i was teasing about alex jones, i know youre not a 911 truther. i never claimed i wanted a world without border, ever. i'd like you to point out where i made that statement, ever. now a north american union was something bush was pushing for, thats for certain.
battim 2 years ago
Yes, and I oppose that.
Agreeing on some things doesn't mean one agrees with everything a candidate stands for.
I am a tired of addressing absolutist nonsense that people think I should defend or something.
RevolutionOfCG 2 years ago
oh come now, your defense of a lot of conservative ideals in aboslutist, no? not that thats a bad thing, but its certainly absolutist.
battim 2 years ago
I was speaking of absolutism in the sense of the notion that one supports everything a candidate does just because he supports one position. Don't obfuscate. You are all over the map in your video and in this discourse.
Values are a separate issue and aren't a bad thing, and defending them is necessary.
RevolutionOfCG 2 years ago
how am i all over the map, sir? because i dont have a narrow minded view of the world you mean? or is it the fact that you simply can't stand to think that maybe its none of our goddamned business what happens in iran. i mean, talk about all over the map, as a patriot, wy would you ignore washington warning of meddling in other countries affairs? or is it simply to admonish obama again?
battim 2 years ago
Like Obama you play both ends against the middle.
You support many of Obama's positions. Not the least of which is Globalism, which Gordon Brown and Obama discussed by NAME, no less as virtuous. Your comments of 'a world without borders' is exactly that.
When called out on it, you defend with 'Alex Jones' accusations towards me in a joking manner when you should know better...
You say great things are happening, but still speak in conspiratorial nonsense while accusing others of that.
RevolutionOfCG 2 years ago
i never said anything about a world without borders. you did. i simply stated i have never advocated such a thing, i simply stated your boy, bush, advocated such a thing and reagan and bush 41 also were big fans of it. when did i ever defend alex jones, sir? ive done a half dozen videos making fun of him. when have i ever supported a world without borders. you make a claim, source it. what is conspiratorial about saying there is a power play happnening, there is.
battim 2 years ago
BTW, You are the one referring to 'Power Brokers'. Might as well call them 'Neocons'. It's just the new name for the bogeyman which people like yourself can't provide evidence of.
RevolutionOfCG 2 years ago
power brokers within the iranian system. to ignore there are power brokers is to not see reality. obama is a power broker. emmanuel is. the neocons are. all of them are. to not see that is to ignore reality. but i was speaking to power brokers within iran...and they are power brokers. thats why they are electorally vying for power. lol.
battim 2 years ago
I appreciate your interest in Iran. there are a lot of clashes in small cities too. today, some clerics joined too wearing green ribbons. this is growing
amanzour 2 years ago
i hope it is. the point i am making is we need to see the other signs of successful revolution before we can act, either as a country or as a community of people.
battim 2 years ago
isnt democracy there agenda?
battim 2 years ago
the protesters are not all of the educated middle class. you underestimate the chance of regime change
i agree that it will take time to really know what happened. The 79 revolution took a year to play out. If there is a change in regime it is not likely to be more isolationist than the current one.
The guys leading the opposition are motivated by getting iran more involved in global commerce. They are fed up with the country not making economic progress.
Peace.
cambridgee 2 years ago
certainly and i speak to that. its their economic self interest that guides them. nothing i've seen indicates regime change. nothing. its amazing how quiet rafsanjani and moussavi are of late, huh?
battim 2 years ago
that said, can you give me an example of the working class or rural class getting involved? at all?
battim 2 years ago
I Always appreciate the information and your views Tim.
1dockthorwho23 2 years ago
thanks doc
battim 2 years ago
Ahmadouchebag, HA! :D priceless.
Yeah, Battim, I'm one of those NWO talkers, so I'll refrain from adding any of the instability for nefarious ends conspiracies and wag the dog/strawman type stuff.
I will say, that being one of these people has made me less interested in any of the particulars of alot of current events, so I don't keep up with it, cuz I know the outcome anyway. That said, if I'm gunna watch vid on Iran, I'll watch yours. You seem to really care about these people.
AlexGrim 2 years ago
Thanks. I don't think competive forces are as in synch as nwo theories seem to think they are...hence the reasons they constantly work against each other. Spy on each other, and have proxies mess up their plans. I think there is a differerence between competitive forces manipulating markets and geopolitics and the idea they are all in cohoots...
battim 2 years ago
Oh dude, don't get me started, I was willing to leave this discussion to Iran.
Battim, pretend people like you and me are in control of these nefarious covert forces. Wouldn't we stage such things to throw off suspicion of conspiracy between our groups and operatives? We're not fools, we could cook that shit up over a few bong hits. Then laugh it up as we see our little play unfold on the news exactly as we planned. It is what I know I can do in their place that makes me afraid.
AlexGrim 2 years ago
Let me add, that not everyone is in on these black ops, and people are bungling things all the time that aren't in the know. They are just doing their job or have political/ideological reservations about the activities they are witness to.
AlexGrim 2 years ago
well i do know that there are coersive secret workings where different groups are worknig against each other for their own self interests and national interests. i don't see an indication that these competitive forces are working in conjunction with each other any more than they have to for there own goals, not the goal of a one world government.
battim 2 years ago
Alex..."It is what I know I can do in their place that makes me afraid." You understand human nature.
It's not rocket science. More like taking candy from a baby. Just get him to "look at the silly little monkey".
Check out this new info.
YT Video, "Europe helps Iran censor internet, technology widely used in US" on IWantDemocracyNow channel.
And google "The Wall street journal" June 22, 2009.
Title: "Iran's web spying aided by western technology"
tbgx1 2 years ago
Nothing in that article indicates a government is complicit in how iran chose to use that technology. nothing. and of course surveillance happens, it always has. privately and publically. i've done a few vlogs on this being the wave of the future, does that imply that the governments wanted iran to abuse it? certainly not.
battim 2 years ago
I don't know what tbgx1's article says, I'm busy getting counter-strike on this laptop for a up coming vid, pouring a clay skull out of a plaster mold and getting ready to make a vid about Michael Jackson's passing. Like I said I don't have time to dig through the articles anymore, I'll just watch Battim vidz on this affair.
Battim, I want to respect your wishes to keep this Iran focused. I wonder how far you've looked into what I am talking about though. Bilderberg is a nice google search.
AlexGrim 2 years ago
will do. and thanks. look forward to your jacko the whacko vlog...
battim 2 years ago
WHAT!
Tim, you are not going to RIP into the kid for mentioning BILDERBURG??
Don't tell me u don't know who they are. Then again no one really does.
It's one of the worlds best kept secrets. Yet they meet EVERY YEAR since 1954! That much IS known.
tbgx1 2 years ago
no, he and i disagree on quite a bit. i only rip into folks who come to my videos and start insulting me from the get. as you did. you set the tone. not me. he has seen my alex jones videos where i giggle at alex jones and his theories...but he comes here with respect, even when we disagree, you come here from the get and ridicule. so you get it back, and you are so fun to fuck with, you get so upset, its so much fun watching your paranoid little delusions get the best of you
battim 2 years ago
bildderburg is not a secret. lol. how else would we all know about it...
battim 2 years ago
Additionally, Alex Jones does excellent coverage of what I talk of, his movies are on google video and youtube. WATCH THEM ALL!! to get a clear picture of what these NWO people believe. I know you don't see much evidence of these activities, but have you ever seen a billion dollars? Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I'll refrain from this talk from here out. Thank you for your patience.
AlexGrim 2 years ago
i avoid alex jones like the pague now. i'll stick to academic sources.
battim 2 years ago
Well, you are free to make that choice. Academics only tell the official story, which could have slight fabrication. Written history will always be subjective tales based on facts.
AlexGrim 2 years ago
i just don't consider alex jones who scares folks into not giving their kids vaccines as academic sources. i am not dismissing that there are groups who think they can do things, i simply look at history and realize too many competitors with big weapons will never allow it.
battim 2 years ago
WoW, this full pack steam installer is taking forever, so I have a few more moments.
Battim, I understand your point, but I still think there is much truth in his research. He uses the same official reports you have access to. I don't want to go into the lengthy details, here in a comment stream I just swore I wouldn't do that in. I'll keep it all 1979 hostage crisis, uranium enrichment, Iraq vs Iran and Ayatollahs for ya. :)
AlexGrim 2 years ago
i think he weaves truth with disasscoiated facts to make generalizations with no merit. do i beleive bilderburg thinks it makes a difference, yes. do i believe they actually do? not really. not on a macro scale.
battim 2 years ago
Well, you are free to make that decision. And we can agree to disagree. We can just focus on Iran. I think Iran is gunna be what touches off some major shit. China and Russia don't want us or the Israelis going in there, into their backyard. They have many interests in that country, oil for one. Ahmadouchebag, is able to operate like he does knowing this. I actually keep my eye on Pakistan whenever I actually watch the news and see a report on it. However, that is off topic.
AlexGrim 2 years ago
Pakistan is a whole other beast. lots more people and very very diverse in its culture. pakistan is a scary place. you are correct about china and russia and its these very poins that make my cynical of any one world government
battim 2 years ago