a great guitar player can make a $99.00 sound worth buying. I have never paid retail for gibsons fenders or anything else. What ive learned in buying instruments is a well maid peice of wood is electronics away from being a great instrument. We often pay good money for a label only to put gaff tape over it when the manufactuer screws us over the phone? If it has 6 strings and you can make it burn then by all means give er hell. :o)
I think the dislikes are because it's a Chinese copy, we can all agree he's a pretty good guitar player, and to be honest that guitar doesn't sound bad at all! Not everyone has or is willing to shell out of a Gibson, he never said it was real, he tells us it's fake, he's doing no harm, I see no reason for dislikes! Cheers mate!
Y would you buy one of these. They are sometimes built wrong with no way to intonate. True some are real epiphones with a relogo. And y would you support a company stealing from a company that already offers a great alternative. So you can have the logo? Il chose quality and resale value over a stupid label that any real guitar player will spot and laugh the ass off. Because you can get a sweet Epi with a a set neck mahogany body and real alnico picups for $300 brand new. I see them used for $1
@battletoad01 The fakes need some work but they make good project guitars. Some guitarists gig with their fake and save their expensive & fragile Gibson for the recording studio & photo shoots. With the fake, you don't have to worry about scratches, dings or dents...or having it stolen!
I recommend swapping those out for some dimarzio's and you'll be good to go, but you have to keep the gold covers if it says custom on the headstock :P
I have a 2008 Gibson SG (guitar of the month) three s/c pick ups, six way knob, blond body and neck this thing is a tone machine. I would not trade for the world.
I've never found Gibson copies to measure up to the real thing at all, be they official Epiphones or no-name far east stuff. I could partscaster-up a Tele tomorrow from spare bits and bobs for £250 that might rival a US Fender Standard but nothing comes close to my Gibson ES335 - my relatively good Epi Sheraton sounded like crap next to it.
@jcbluefunk The woods vary but they are solid hardwoods like Maple, Asian Mahogany (Nato), Basswood and Alder. Same woods found on many namebrand guitars.
@OddTimeMan but they sound like shit compared to real American made Gibsons, just like japanese and mexican made Fenders suck compared to real American made axes
@jcbluefunk Don't assume or jump to conclusions. How many have you actually played? The ones I've seen, examined & played didn't "sound like shit" at all. Japanese Strats & Mexican Strats are very well made. They've received great reviews. Guitars are woods & simple electronics, it isn't rocket science. Decent woods & decent electronics will produce decent tone. It's really that simple. A good guitar is a good guitar. It shouldn't matter where it was made or what name is on the headstock.
@OddTimeMan It's not where it's made they're complaining about. This is a counterfeit guitar. It isn't made by Gibson, it's made illegally by unskilled workers.
@that1stupidkid613 Japanese & Mexican Fenders are NOT counterfeit (that's what jcbluefunk and I were talking about). And as for the counterfeit Gibsons made in China, I don't believe they're made by "unskilled workers" at all. They are pretty well made. They're most likely coming out of the Epiphone factories after hours. They come loaded with Epi parts & features. China is the counterfeit capital of the world.
Check the headstock angle. What you have is an Epiphone copy (14 degrees) not a Les Paul copy (17 degrees), with cheap hardware and electronics. (or to be more accurate, with even cheaper hardware and electronics than an Epiphone).
@phillyfrankb Most of these Chinese fakes come loaded with Epiphone parts & features. The hardware is korean (Sung-il). They supply hardware for MANY different brands. These fakes are most likely illegally made in the Epi factories in China (China is the counterfeit capital of the world). Some of the newer fakes have 17 degree headstock angles. Gibson actually switched to 14 degrees back during the Norlin era...but then they switched back to 17.
@OddTimeMan Gibson owns the factory that makes Epiphones in China so they do not make fakes. I don't know how many factories make fakes. If this wanker is typical of the kind of guitar player that buys fakes then I can understand why they can't tell the difference. Fake guitars are like the drug cartels. If American's did not buy them the Chinese could not sell them at least in the U.S. Buy a fake and vote with your money against good jobs,pensions and medical insurance hopefully for yourself
@scottduncan44 Epiphones are made in MANY different factories in China, not just one. Here are the Epi serial # codes for China: DW = DaeWon/Dalian, EA = QingDao, EE = QingDao, MC = Muse China, SJ = SaeJung China, Z = Zaozhuang Saehan, BW = China, UC = Unsung China. None of these factories are owned by Gibson. The QingDao factory makes Epi's exclusively, while the others make guitars for MANY different brands.
@scottduncan44 China is the counterfeit capital of the world and they have been for a long time. Gibson should have never moved production there. In my lifetime, Epi production went from USA to Japan to Korea to China. Gibson is constantly searching for cheaper parts & labor. That's corporate greed for ya!
Oddtimeman Epiphone usa now makes and designes there own pick ups for Epiphone. The Epiphone 57 humbucker pu's are double vacum waxed and wound with enamel wireing (classic) the Epiphone (classic plus) is over wound. They are the very same pu's in Gibsons
Oddtimeman here we go again. Gibson usa/Epiphone and fender all use top quality electronics in most of there guitars. As you see i said most not all you make it sound like they dont at all.
@stratdem Gibson, Epiphone, Fender, Ibanez, ESP, Dean, etc. ALL get their pots & caps from Asia. Hardware comes from the same sources too...Korea, Japan, & China. Plastic parts come from China. USA doesn't make that stuff anymore. If you want a guitar with American made parts, you need to buy a vintage one. Amps are the same way. Marshall, Peavey, Carvin, Fender, Vox, etc. are all filled with Asian parts. And they all use the same Asian suppliers. This is common knowlege.
The Epiphone les pauls and sg's are some of the best guitars crafted in the world (usa consumer report) and there real endorsed LP's. So why would you even bother with this shit and i do mean shit.
Theres only 2 guitar companys in the world that have the real endorsed les pauls and sg's. They are Gibson USA and Epiphone period. The chinese fakes at the end are only going to cost you hard ache and lots of jail time.
u guys hear gibson had all their wood confiscated by the fbi? they were illegally smuggling it from protected forests... i bet china has it legally lol
@ OddTimeMann. Just sayin. You don't have to say that the nicer "fakes" are made in Chinese epiphone factories. epiphone is owned by Gibson and licensed to make les Pauls. Yes the Gibsons are better quality but I still don't think the epiphones should be called fakes. I think fakes are copies made without the companies permission and their quality is crap.
@JakeyJake805 Saying the fakes have crappy quality is a generalization. Some of them are actually very well-made. Many of these Chinese fakes are merely Epiphones with Gibson style headstocks. Epiphone production moved to China (the counterfeit capital of the world) back in 2002...which is when we started seeing these fake Gibsons. And they usually come loaded with Epi parts & features.
@kobrw There's a website called tradetang. you just ahve to watch some of the sellers but other than that it's a pretty great sight. There's a seller on there that goes by "Dave" that is supposed to be the best for the gibson copies.
piece of shit, and shame on you for buyin that shit... their fucking junk owned and played 2 until I saw the light and bought a real Gibson Les Paul, no match in ANY way what so ever, lol. they are PIECES OF SHIT, do NOT buy one of these guitars, their fucking junk.
@futureunknown My friend bought one that was very well made. It was made with solid hardwoods, good construction, and a really nice finish. In fact it was so nice, he ended up buying another one. Many people that own these fakes also own genuine Gibsons too. And many people end up being repeat customers. The nicer fakes are most likely made in the Epiphone factories in China. They come loaded with Epi parts & features. The QC wasn't good though. They make good project guitars.
@futureunknown Many guitarists save their expensive & fragile Gibsons for the recording studio, and they'll gig with their fakes. After some upgrades, fret-dress & set-up, they feel/play/sound/look pretty damn good...and still cost a fraction of the Gibson price.
I have a basswood Austin LP copy that sounds better than that. It's cool to buy one of those fakes if you can find a mahogany one to mod but it seems to be a real crap shoot to get one.
My cousin bought a fake Les Paul gold flake. Said Gibson on the head, Gibson USA on the case and would've fooled anybody that didn't plug it in. He paid $1700 for it, until I told him it was fake, he thought it was real. Needless to say the pawn shop gave his money back. Like this one, when plugged in they sound like cheap pickups.
Going a step further, Roger Murillo (a native Venezuelan and an ace luthier if ever I saw one) improved things tri-fold by setting up the aforementioned electronics in such a matter that would permit COIL-SPLITTING. Just by my simply pulling up or pushing down each pickup's tone knob, I can go from classic Gibson warmth (down) to gorgeously crystaline Fender clean (up). Thus, thanks to Roger, my Davison Les Paul Custom copy is now truly just that: CUSTOM. If you guys get a chance, look Roger up.
This wouldn't happen to be a Davison LPC copy per chance, would it??? I bought one (the "Black Beauty" version) back in 2004, and it's been my #1 axe ever since {smiles}. Granted, the stock p'ups were pure shite (microphonic as hell, feeding back like crazy every time I'd so much as goose the gain up one notch), but I remedied this situation the following Xmas ('05) when I had my local luthier install two new Seymour Duncan Alnico Pro IIs plus GENUINE Gibson pots and toggle switch...
@InstantReverbPro A few years ago, my friend bought a fake Gibson LP Custom from China for $300. It was very well made, but it did need some work (pickups, tuners, bridge, nut, and a few other things, plus a fret-dress & set-up). Total cost came to $650 but now it feels/plays/sounds/looks amazing...like it cost thousands. He was so impressed, he bought another one. By the way, a genuine Gibson LP Custom costs $3,900.
found a fucken jem for 80 dollars USD, plus 100 dollars shipping making it 180 dollars, too good to be true of course cuz its chinese, but one day ill get one and see wat all this hype is all about
@Jackiesstash08 You do realize that this was recorded years ago with a cellphone, right? There are many other videos of these fakes with MUCH better sound.
@Jackiesstash08 That's a complete ignorant assumption on your part. Guitars are wood & simple electronics, it isn't rocket science. Any decent guitar with good electronics will perform well in the studio or on the stage. Jimmy Page often played a cheap Danelectro guitar & a cheap Harmony acoustic guitar. Eddie Van Halen's first guitars were put together himself using inexpensive parts. And that's just 2 examples, there are hundreds more!
@OddTimeMan i was only messing about, in a studio of course you can make 'anything' sound good, even the spice girls sound good in a studio, what deception. I wonder what these chinese monstrositys actually 'feel' like to hold and play though, as for Van Halen, he did actually have an American standard strat (the black and white striped one) that he loaded with a decent humbucker and that stripey Kramer, hardly cheap and nasty. Danelectros are pretty rad too.
There is nothing wrong with a Chinese Gibson, you get what you pay for, a few £100 those guitar are worth and sound ok tbh nothing like a real Gibson but real gibsons are worth £1000's and if you have they money to buy one then don't bother with these lol
@Aroughful a piece of wood? do you know what wood a gibson is made ? do you know that a guitar can SUCK because of the wood and can ROCK because of the wood? the wood is EVERYTHING. please dont speak garbage and go study more musical instruments before you say another monstrocity.
@Johnvc100 First of all, MANY guitars are made with the same woods as Gibson. Secondly, wood is very important with acoustic instruments, but not so much with solid-body electric guitars...it's all about the electronics.
@OddTimeMan This is not true at all, because there are a lot of differents between an original les paul '59 and a new '59...the sound of the original comes more from the wood than the electronics... the original sounds louder when he's unplugged...the tone is more natural.
@acdc1302 They don't make pickups like the original PAF's anymore, so the reissue pickups (and other electronics like pots, caps & wire) will sound a little different. The unplugged sound of a solid-body electric guitar is completely unrelated to the plugged-in sound. No correlation whatsoever.
@OddTimeMan@OddTimeMan What is you experience and background, because I was told by a professional luthier who has been repairing guitars for 35 years that wood makes a significant difference in solid bodies, both sustain and tone. I'm not being a wiseguy; I'm just asking if you are an expert on the subject and why your statement would be different from another experts' statement. And he did say solid bodies, we did not discuss semi-hollows or acoustics. Thanks
@prettynoose8497 I started building guitars & speaker cabs back in the late 70's and I still like to tinker with them...it's a hobby of mine. Luthiers always disagree with each other. So much of what they say is just OPINION and not FACT. But I could show you articles written by experienced luthiers that say wood makes a small impact on the tone with solid-body electrics. I know a luthier that built a great sounding guitar from particleboard, just to prove a point!
@prettynoose8497 Jimmy Page got great tone out of a cheap Danelectro guitar...made of Masonite! And there are plenty of examples of great sounding guitars that are made of cheap woods, plywood, plexiglass, aluminum, etc. Yes, the materials used will definitely affect the sustain & tone, but not nearly as much as the electronics that are used.
@sonicthehedgehogxp Yes, it does. I never said it didn't. But with solid-body electric guitars, the ELECTRONICS have a MUCH greater affect on the tone than the wood does.
@13thfbass Luthiers disagree on the affect that wood has on tone with solid-body electric guitars. Some believe, and I happen to agree, that it's around 85% electronics and 15% everything else, including the wood. I know a luthier that built a good sounding particleboard guitar, just to prove his point. And there are many examples out there of guitars made of cheap woods, plexiglass, plywood, aluminum, etc. that sound great. Lots of articles are written on this subject.
@OddTimeMan thats wrong. wood matters a ton. wood drives the price of a guitar greatly, heck, if only electronics mattered they'd be giving guitars away.
@calebfountaine96 Yes, wood often drives the price of guitars because of the PERCEPTION that wood is crucial to good tone with solid-body electric guitars, but there's no evidence what-so-ever that Honduran Mahogany sounds better than African Mahongany...or Asian Mahogany. It's all opinions & theories. Decades ago, Agathis was considered an exotic tonewood, but now it's used in inexpensive guitars because it's abundant & affordable. Honduran Mahogany is expensive because it's endangered.
@OddTimeMan Well, I suppose it's not actually proven fact, but the thousands of guitarists that claim better tonal responsiveness with better woods has to attest to something. I can hear a distinct tonal difference between my Koa Les Paul and Mahogany Les Paul (Both loaded with Burstbucker 1s&2s), same with my Ash and Alder Strats (granted, there are likely many factors affecting the tone between the two, but the wood definitely plays a big part).
@Jimmothy16 Yes, I agree that with solid-body electric guitars the wood DOES affect the tone, the question is: How much? I believe it's around 80%-85% electronics & 15%-20% wood & other parts. But this is an age-old dispute & even professional luthiers disagree. Consider this: Strats made of Alder, Ash, Poplar, Plywood, Mahogany, Plexiglass, etc. may differ in tone but they ALL still have that thin, jangly signature Strat sound. But put in humbuckers & 500k pots & GONE is that Strat sound.
@OddTimeMan Changed but not gone; it will still sound shrill and thin like a Strat. Put that same Humbucker on a Les Paul and it will sound much thicker and deeper because of the denser wood and higher mass. I believe that the way you play and set up your equipment alters the amount that each element affects tone. If you have an EMG running into a high gain amp, then it doesn't matter what that EMG is attached to, but have your gain nice and low, and you can hear the affect the wood has.
@Jimmothy16 I disagree. Strats with humbuckers & 500k pots don't have that thin, jangly, Strat sound at all. Telecasters with humbuckers & 500k pots don't have that bright Country twang at all. There's a reason why Country artists don't use Les Pauls...generally speaking that is. Single coil pickups & 250k pots have a very distinctive sound.
@OddTimeMan Sorry didn't put that across very well; a Strat with humbuckers will not sound like a conventional Strat though nor will it sound like a Les Paul, it will still sound thinner and have much more defined top end and less low end than the same humbuckers will in a mahogany, short scale-length guitar. And actually on very low gain settings, with low-output 'buckers a Strat still sounds remarkably Strat-like though definitely fatter, it will still retain the recognizable top-end sparkle.
@OddTimeMan LOL you are joking I hope. Wood is SO important in electric, I used to not think so but that was a novice thought. Wood makes so much difference in the tone.
@njones1091 Professional luthiers disagree on this topic. There are hundreds of articles written about it. I know a luthier who built a particleboard guitar with great tone, just to prove his point. And there are a million examples of guitars out there made of plexiglass, plywood, aluminum, carbon fiber, and other unconventional materials that have great tone. Wood is very important with acoustic guitars but not so much with solid-body electrics...it's mostly the electronics.
@OddTimeMan I don't care who wrote about it, I've personally played 2 "identical" guitars as far as electronics go but they used two different types of wood and I personally preferred the tone of the mahogany guitar over the maple. I'll admit that you can make a good sounding particle board or plexiglass guitar but its about preferences, there are huge differences in various woods and you CAN tell the difference. Go play around with differently made guitars and you should hear it.
@njones1091 Yes, you CAN tell the difference, I never said you couldn't. But with solid-body electric guitars, the ELECTRONICS, not the wood, makes MOST of the sound. A Les Paul made of Alder won't suddenly sound like a Strat. A Strat made of Mahogany won't suddenly sound like a LP. But put Strat single coils & 250k pots in a LP and GONE is that fat, warm signature LP sound. Put humbuckers & 500k pots in a Strat and GONE is that thin, jangly signature Strat sound.
@njones1091 Strats made of Alder, Ash, Poplar, Mahogany, Plywood, Basswood, etc. may sound different from each other but they ALL still have that thin, jangly signature Strat sound. Les Pauls made of Mahogany w/ Maple cap, Mahohany w/ Mahogany top, Alder, Basswood, Honduran Mahogany, African Mahogany, Asian Mahogany, etc. may sound different from each other but they ALL still have that fat, warm signature LP sound. It's mostly the electronics that give those guitars that signature sound.
@OddTimeMan This is sooo not true and how mistaken you are Sir. Any guitar maker will tell you the best way to find a very good electric guitar is to play it unplugged first. You can tell how good an electric will sound plugged up by how well it rings acoustically. If the wood didn't matter they would all be made from aluminum.
@shaindaman13 There are SOOO many misconceptions out there. Opinions & theories are NOT facts! There is absolutely NO evidence that good unplugged tone means good plugged-in tone. I have a guitar that doesn't sound that great unplugged, but sings when plugged-in. And I have another guitar that sounds pretty good unplugged, but just sounds ok plugged-in. Also, there are a million examples out there of great sounding guitars made from aluminum, plexiglass, carbon fiber, plywood, pine, etc.
@OddTimeMan No misconceotions at all. I know that wood are what guitars were made with first and all this carbon-fiber non wood crap is a novelty. Like fine wines taste better with age, wood also ages and improves in tone over time. Metal doesn't. In a 100 years, it'll still be a chunk of metal, maybe with a little rust. My Les Paul sounds far better than it did 15 years ago. Fine instruments are made of wood. Stratovarious would laugh his ass off if he saw a plastic violin. But whatever dude.
@shaindaman13 You are assuming that the effects woods have on ACOUSTIC guitars automatically apply to solid-body ELECTRIC guitars too. They are completely different animals. There are tons of articles written by professional luthiers on this topic and MANY say: Wood is VERY important with acoustics, but not so much with solid-body electrics...it's mostly the ELECTRONICS that create the tone. By the way, a Stratovarious is an ACOUSTIC instrument.
@OddTimeMan I'm not ASSUMING anything. I know what I'm talking about. It makes a huge difference. By your logic a ping pong paddle with strings on it would sound the same as a Strovarious if both were miked up or amplified electrically. Anyone with half a brain would know it wouldn't. The materials used to construct it and the hands that play it make the instrument sound the way it does. Like I say though, whatever man.
@shaindaman13 YOU know what you're talking about but hundreds of professional luthiers DON'T? Whatever, dude. And again I say, MOST, not ALL, of the tone comes from the electronics with solid-body electric guitars. Understand the difference between MOST and ALL? Strats made of Alder, Ash, Poplar, Mahogany, Plywood, etc. may sound different from each other, but they all still have that thin, jangly signature Strat sound. But install humbuckers & 500k pots and GONE is that signature Strat sound.
@shaindaman13 YOU know what you're talking about but hundreds of professional luthiers DON'T? Whatever, dude. And again I say, MOST, not ALL, of the tone comes from the electronics with solid-body electric guitars. Understand the difference between MOST and ALL? Strats made of Alder, Ash, Poplar, Mahogany, Plywood, etc. may sound different from each other, but they all still have that thin, jangly signature Strat sound. But install humbuckers & 500k pots and GONE is that signature Strat sound.
@OddTimeMan Wood is EXTREMELY important on electric guitars !!! Take a 62 original strat and a good deluxe from nowadays... Have you ever heard the IMMENSE difference?? That's not only about the electronics! I used fender example because IMHO you can really find it easily
@terzolilu Yes, they'll sound different from each other, but they'll both still sound like Strats. One won't sound like a Les Paul, right? Why? The ELECTRONICS. But put humbuckers & 500k pots in a Strat and GONE is that thin jangly signature Strat sound. Why? The ELECTRONICS. A Les Paul made of alder won't suddenly sound like a Strat, will it? No. It will still have that fat warm signature Les Paul sound. Why? The ELECTRONICS. Strats made of plywood, plexiglass, etc. ALL still sound like Strats.
@GabeAllenTV Yes this guitar sounds bad but it's most likely because it was recorded with a cellphone camera. There are other videos of these guitars which sound WAY better.
@OddTimeMan hey random question, i was thinking to buy one of these replicas and i thought if it sounds shitty i can just switch out the pickups with real gibsons. it would be the same shit and way cheaper
@full0armor4 Changing the pickups would definitely be an improvement, but these fakes need other things too like: pots & caps, input jack, tuners, bridge, string nut, fret-dress & set-up. The woods, construction, & finish is usually pretty good. They make good project guitars.
ugh,the FIRST Les Paul, created by Mr. Les Paul HIMSELF is the ONLY original period!! even the second les paul built was a copy,fake,or replica of the original.so the first les paul made by the hands of Les Paul himself is the only TRUE original!!! if it looks and sounds good,PLAY IT!!!
This is not a replica. A replica is an authorized, legit copy from the manufacturer, such as a 1959 V.O.S replica from Gibson. This is a copy due to the lack of endorsement from Gibson. The quality of these copies are Getting somewhat better, but once you play a true custom and feel the balanced weight and quality, and hear the tones they are capable of, there is no comparison.
@goredeathrot Well the word "Replica" means "Copy" by definition...it doesn't matter if it's authorized or not. Slash's Gibson replicas are unauthorized copies. He doesn't play them anymore because of his endorsement deal with Gibson.
1. An exact copy or model of something, esp. one on a smaller scale.
2. A duplicate of an original artistic work
And of course Slash's guitars are authorized. His signature models come with a certificate of AUTHENTICITY and are cataloged individually by Gibson. :p
@goredeathrot Webster's Dictionary definition of Replica:
1. A close reproduction or facsimile.
2. COPY, DUPLICATE
And I'm not talking about Slash's Signature Series guitars made by Gibson, I'm talking about the unauthorized Gibson replicas (fakes) he used to play built by luthiers Max and Derrig.
@OddTimeMan Webster's is not the official formal English dictionary. A guitar made by a private luthier for Slash is still endorsed by Slash as he probably had exacting specs he wanted to be made by. It doesn't matter if it's a one off or a mass production run. Slash is still endorsing the guitar by playing it, or owning it.
@goredeathrot No, I don't think you understand what an endorsement deal is. Just because you have a luthier make you a guitar, that doesn't mean you have an endorsement deal with him. Anyone can get a guitar made. Slash's first Gibson replica wasn't even made for him, it was his manager's guitar. But Slash had to retire those replicas because he now has an endorsement deal with Gibson. Those replicas are illegal unauthorized copies and those luthiers had to cease & desist.
@OddTimeMan Yes, I know lol. I was talking about his many Gibson models. I was getting away from my original point that a replica is exact specs of an original product being reproduced to the time period that it was created, where a copy is similar, but usually not to exacting standards.
playing the best sound is not dependent on the guitar but on the guitarist... give tom morello some strat copies and he can still work it out. give a newbie an expensive gibson and let's see if he can do amazing things from it. what makes an authentic gibson expensive is because of the heritage, the name, the six letters on the headstock adds almost more-than-half of a reasonable price. :)
no its not neccesary to spend thousand on a guitar, or even hundreds. plenty of players have made a point to never playing anything but junkers like jack white (except now he occasionally plays a custom gretsch thats a few grand). but to say that you can't hear every penny of the difference i have to disagree with. you take a real gibson and any fake gibson get on a real stage with real equipment and nothing could be more obvious.
I'd buy my kid a nice from Japan Ibanez for 700. 800 bucks before I'd buy him a Chinese guitars of any type be careful a lot of low priced Ibanez guitars are made in China and they suck bad. I’ve been playing since 1974 on a Ibanez custom Les Paul made in USA, and my current Ibanez 540 radius with a Screaming demon tremolo pickup the only other 2 guitars I want is a Strat American, and a Neal Schon signature Gibson 1480 LE goldtop.
@OddTimeMan What I meant was the Radius 540 was made or built in Bensalem PA, the custom I don't have anymore, but it was of fine quality! I have played on many Gibson’s and they are top notch! any way I hope this clears this up!
@OddTimeMan What I meant was the Radius 540 was made or built in Bensalem PA, the custom I don't have anymore, but it was of fine quality! I have played on many Gibson’s and they are top notch! any way I hope this clears this up!
It doesn't matter how it looks ...this one is close to Gibson but ...only close. What matters is the sound. In this case the sound is very poor. You know pickups talk, the wood used for guitar also talks, so when they are cheap ...it sounds like we can hear in this vid. BAD !
my family are working in fake gibson guitar factory in china, we are make lots of money, not like other family working at farm, make little money. this are good guitar, same same! why all the fuss? it good qualety!
I ONLY buy American made Guitars so my money Stays in the US... You paid 400 for that POS when you could have bought a used Les Paul Studio for the same price. Your Chink guitar sounds like BirdShit!!!
@sngncwby Your American CEO's have sold it all to the rest of the world. Don't be an idiot. Are you going to deprive your kids of a (close to) Les Paul, because they aren't CEO's, who can afford a $4,000 dollar Les Paul? Do Gobson's workers make $80 bucks an hour? NO! Screw the CEO's (or make them pay their fare share of taxes), and bring guitars back to America! Maybe god will give you one in the afterlife. F%^k'in Christians.PS: Ain't the country that makes the sound, but the player, dweeb!
@sngncwby American guitars are just ASSEMBLED in USA. They're made with imported woods. Pots, caps, wires, tuners, bridge/tailpiece, knobs, and other plastic & metal parts are made in Asia. America doesn't manufacture much anymore.
@JBL8863 Agreed, but one of the biggest problems is American labor is just too damn expensive. So many American companies were forced to outsource jobs to avoid declaring backruptcy. There's something really wrong when American companies can't even afford to hire Americans.
@JBL8863 You think greed only exists with corporations? Human beings are greedy! I work in the Motion Picture industry and Union workers make WAAAY too much! I can't afford them at all. I hire all non-union workers. And most Union workers get paid vacation days, paid sick days, paid personal days, full medical/dental/vision benefits, etc. etc. etc. And every year they demand even more. That's why so many productions flee to Right-To-Work states so they can hire all non-Union.
@JBL8863 And it's a fact that many US companies over the years faced bankruptcy, so they outsourced to stay alive. Most consumers can't even afford to BUY American made products anymore! That's why Walmart is so popular...and Chinese counterfeits.
a great guitar player can make a $99.00 sound worth buying. I have never paid retail for gibsons fenders or anything else. What ive learned in buying instruments is a well maid peice of wood is electronics away from being a great instrument. We often pay good money for a label only to put gaff tape over it when the manufactuer screws us over the phone? If it has 6 strings and you can make it burn then by all means give er hell. :o)
judebaileylivexx12 6 days ago
some are good and some are shit..... just like EPIPHONES!!!!
777Lateralus 1 week ago
I think the dislikes are because it's a Chinese copy, we can all agree he's a pretty good guitar player, and to be honest that guitar doesn't sound bad at all! Not everyone has or is willing to shell out of a Gibson, he never said it was real, he tells us it's fake, he's doing no harm, I see no reason for dislikes! Cheers mate!
SheeepGaming 2 weeks ago
Don't know y theres so many dislikes on this I think it's pretty good sounding keep it up man
kryptonicloser 3 weeks ago
Y would you buy one of these. They are sometimes built wrong with no way to intonate. True some are real epiphones with a relogo. And y would you support a company stealing from a company that already offers a great alternative. So you can have the logo? Il chose quality and resale value over a stupid label that any real guitar player will spot and laugh the ass off. Because you can get a sweet Epi with a a set neck mahogany body and real alnico picups for $300 brand new. I see them used for $1
battletoad01 3 weeks ago
@battletoad01 The fakes need some work but they make good project guitars. Some guitarists gig with their fake and save their expensive & fragile Gibson for the recording studio & photo shoots. With the fake, you don't have to worry about scratches, dings or dents...or having it stolen!
OddTimeMan 3 weeks ago
dont buy one thats a fuckn dumb ass ansewer
dedski7 1 month ago
Sounds good to me, way to save 2,600 bucks.
I recommend swapping those out for some dimarzio's and you'll be good to go, but you have to keep the gold covers if it says custom on the headstock :P
EpiphoneIsTheSame 1 month ago
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CORRECTION:The name of the seller to avoid is HIHAGUITAR.
SuperSvai 1 month ago
Warnig:Hihamusic on Tradetang,avoid this seller.
SuperSvai 1 month ago
@SuperSvai hey bro I know this person , so what is the problem? and why is it not rectified?
musicexpresscanada 2 weeks ago
You dont have any pants on?
SessionTimer 1 month ago
I have a 2008 Gibson SG (guitar of the month) three s/c pick ups, six way knob, blond body and neck this thing is a tone machine. I would not trade for the world.
brokemyfender 1 month ago
Buy american ....this thing sounds like crap
ggiul1256 2 months ago
@ggiul1256 When you buy American, you are buying a guitar that is ASSEMBLED in USA but it is made of imported parts. Gibsons have Asian-made parts.
OddTimeMan 2 months ago 3
I'd like to know the best way to get 1 without getting ripped off 300$ or even more is alot of $ for me!
dedski7 2 months ago
@dedski7
Simple. Don't buy one.
mattallica464 1 month ago
Don't know what you're using for an amp, but that thing sounds nothing like a Les Paul, not even close.
straybeat 2 months ago
@straybeat You also need to consider that this video was recorded years ago with an old Nokia cell phone.
OddTimeMan 2 months ago 2
I've never found Gibson copies to measure up to the real thing at all, be they official Epiphones or no-name far east stuff. I could partscaster-up a Tele tomorrow from spare bits and bobs for £250 that might rival a US Fender Standard but nothing comes close to my Gibson ES335 - my relatively good Epi Sheraton sounded like crap next to it.
mostmusicisbad 3 months ago
anyone know this song or is it just a jam? cheers
mcgoniglemusic 3 months ago
chinese Gibson rip-off piece of firewood
jcbluefunk 3 months ago
@jcbluefunk The woods vary but they are solid hardwoods like Maple, Asian Mahogany (Nato), Basswood and Alder. Same woods found on many namebrand guitars.
OddTimeMan 3 months ago
@OddTimeMan but they sound like shit compared to real American made Gibsons, just like japanese and mexican made Fenders suck compared to real American made axes
jcbluefunk 3 months ago
@jcbluefunk Don't assume or jump to conclusions. How many have you actually played? The ones I've seen, examined & played didn't "sound like shit" at all. Japanese Strats & Mexican Strats are very well made. They've received great reviews. Guitars are woods & simple electronics, it isn't rocket science. Decent woods & decent electronics will produce decent tone. It's really that simple. A good guitar is a good guitar. It shouldn't matter where it was made or what name is on the headstock.
OddTimeMan 3 months ago
@OddTimeMan It's not where it's made they're complaining about. This is a counterfeit guitar. It isn't made by Gibson, it's made illegally by unskilled workers.
that1stupidkid613 3 months ago
@that1stupidkid613 Japanese & Mexican Fenders are NOT counterfeit (that's what jcbluefunk and I were talking about). And as for the counterfeit Gibsons made in China, I don't believe they're made by "unskilled workers" at all. They are pretty well made. They're most likely coming out of the Epiphone factories after hours. They come loaded with Epi parts & features. China is the counterfeit capital of the world.
OddTimeMan 3 months ago
it's like shit
26phanthom 4 months ago
Is this guitar a Davison? I just bought one like almost exactly like this.
CoolHatMan100 4 months ago
Check the headstock angle. What you have is an Epiphone copy (14 degrees) not a Les Paul copy (17 degrees), with cheap hardware and electronics. (or to be more accurate, with even cheaper hardware and electronics than an Epiphone).
phillyfrankb 4 months ago
@phillyfrankb Most of these Chinese fakes come loaded with Epiphone parts & features. The hardware is korean (Sung-il). They supply hardware for MANY different brands. These fakes are most likely illegally made in the Epi factories in China (China is the counterfeit capital of the world). Some of the newer fakes have 17 degree headstock angles. Gibson actually switched to 14 degrees back during the Norlin era...but then they switched back to 17.
OddTimeMan 4 months ago 7
@OddTimeMan Gibson owns the factory that makes Epiphones in China so they do not make fakes. I don't know how many factories make fakes. If this wanker is typical of the kind of guitar player that buys fakes then I can understand why they can't tell the difference. Fake guitars are like the drug cartels. If American's did not buy them the Chinese could not sell them at least in the U.S. Buy a fake and vote with your money against good jobs,pensions and medical insurance hopefully for yourself
scottduncan44 4 months ago
@scottduncan44 Epiphones are made in MANY different factories in China, not just one. Here are the Epi serial # codes for China: DW = DaeWon/Dalian, EA = QingDao, EE = QingDao, MC = Muse China, SJ = SaeJung China, Z = Zaozhuang Saehan, BW = China, UC = Unsung China. None of these factories are owned by Gibson. The QingDao factory makes Epi's exclusively, while the others make guitars for MANY different brands.
OddTimeMan 4 months ago
@scottduncan44 China is the counterfeit capital of the world and they have been for a long time. Gibson should have never moved production there. In my lifetime, Epi production went from USA to Japan to Korea to China. Gibson is constantly searching for cheaper parts & labor. That's corporate greed for ya!
OddTimeMan 4 months ago 13
@OddTimeMan Well it's corporatism, and unfortunately it favors cheap price over quality goods.
that1stupidkid613 3 months ago
Expensive Wood,,, Plays no part in the sound of an electric solid body powered instrument whatsoever,,,None.....
pitabrain 4 months ago
Oddtimeman Epiphone usa now makes and designes there own pick ups for Epiphone. The Epiphone 57 humbucker pu's are double vacum waxed and wound with enamel wireing (classic) the Epiphone (classic plus) is over wound. They are the very same pu's in Gibsons
stratdem 4 months ago
Oddtimeman here we go again. Gibson usa/Epiphone and fender all use top quality electronics in most of there guitars. As you see i said most not all you make it sound like they dont at all.
stratdem 4 months ago
@stratdem Gibson, Epiphone, Fender, Ibanez, ESP, Dean, etc. ALL get their pots & caps from Asia. Hardware comes from the same sources too...Korea, Japan, & China. Plastic parts come from China. USA doesn't make that stuff anymore. If you want a guitar with American made parts, you need to buy a vintage one. Amps are the same way. Marshall, Peavey, Carvin, Fender, Vox, etc. are all filled with Asian parts. And they all use the same Asian suppliers. This is common knowlege.
OddTimeMan 4 months ago 2
The Epiphone les pauls and sg's are some of the best guitars crafted in the world (usa consumer report) and there real endorsed LP's. So why would you even bother with this shit and i do mean shit.
stratdem 4 months ago
god your playing is for shit
tp13610 4 months ago
Theres only 2 guitar companys in the world that have the real endorsed les pauls and sg's. They are Gibson USA and Epiphone period. The chinese fakes at the end are only going to cost you hard ache and lots of jail time.
stratdem 4 months ago
167 people wouldnt know the difference if it had a gibson logo.
DarkdeviI725 4 months ago
you play really good but the guitar sounds like shit. good it's AWFUL tone. simply terrible. But you play rather well.
Janicemaxwell 4 months ago
sounds really like a fake!... but nice performance by the way ;)
manu696 5 months ago
WOW! SOUNDS BETTER THAN THE REAL DEAL. COSTS PEANUTS TOO.
HEARTHEANGELSVOICES 5 months ago
please help me find out how to order one of these chinese les pauls . please email me at lankford0808@yahoo.com
lankford0808 5 months ago
u guys hear gibson had all their wood confiscated by the fbi? they were illegally smuggling it from protected forests... i bet china has it legally lol
coldandhomeless 5 months ago
@ OddTimeMann. Just sayin. You don't have to say that the nicer "fakes" are made in Chinese epiphone factories. epiphone is owned by Gibson and licensed to make les Pauls. Yes the Gibsons are better quality but I still don't think the epiphones should be called fakes. I think fakes are copies made without the companies permission and their quality is crap.
JakeyJake805 5 months ago
@JakeyJake805 Epiphones are not fakes. Fake Gibsons are counterfeit. They are illegally made and sold.
OddTimeMan 5 months ago
@JakeyJake805 Saying the fakes have crappy quality is a generalization. Some of them are actually very well-made. Many of these Chinese fakes are merely Epiphones with Gibson style headstocks. Epiphone production moved to China (the counterfeit capital of the world) back in 2002...which is when we started seeing these fake Gibsons. And they usually come loaded with Epi parts & features.
OddTimeMan 5 months ago
WTF, this looks and sound s like shit, it doesn't even have an ebony fretboard. C'MMON GUYS!
Macsk8ing 6 months ago
is it from tradertang? is that website safe?
kobrw 6 months ago
sinn oder songloses gefiedel total trash
ohrofax 6 months ago
That sounds terrible and the guy can't play to save his life.
417DrumBob 6 months ago
can anyone tell me where to get one?
kobrw 6 months ago
@kobrw There's a website called tradetang. you just ahve to watch some of the sellers but other than that it's a pretty great sight. There's a seller on there that goes by "Dave" that is supposed to be the best for the gibson copies.
ChasingFlies 6 months ago
I liked it I don't think it was bad!
MsBrookeisme 6 months ago
sounds like a 100 dollar samick, chink shit
futureunknown 6 months ago
@futureunknown Wow, racist much?
OddTimeMan 6 months ago
piece of shit, and shame on you for buyin that shit... their fucking junk owned and played 2 until I saw the light and bought a real Gibson Les Paul, no match in ANY way what so ever, lol. they are PIECES OF SHIT, do NOT buy one of these guitars, their fucking junk.
futureunknown 6 months ago
@futureunknown My friend bought one that was very well made. It was made with solid hardwoods, good construction, and a really nice finish. In fact it was so nice, he ended up buying another one. Many people that own these fakes also own genuine Gibsons too. And many people end up being repeat customers. The nicer fakes are most likely made in the Epiphone factories in China. They come loaded with Epi parts & features. The QC wasn't good though. They make good project guitars.
OddTimeMan 6 months ago
@futureunknown Many guitarists save their expensive & fragile Gibsons for the recording studio, and they'll gig with their fakes. After some upgrades, fret-dress & set-up, they feel/play/sound/look pretty damn good...and still cost a fraction of the Gibson price.
OddTimeMan 6 months ago
there guitars are getting even better. I got one delivered to the door last month. $229. Mine is a 'fake'...replica is the polite word.
Ozopzo 7 months ago
your guitar farts :)
CursedheartMiki 7 months ago
whats the song?
francisco4202 7 months ago
hello please send me the info where did u get the guitar please!!
superpaco666 7 months ago
Change amp and the sound will be better
TheEl7ohim 7 months ago
@TheEl7ohim Don't record with a cellphone and the sound will be WAY better!
OddTimeMan 7 months ago
I have a basswood Austin LP copy that sounds better than that. It's cool to buy one of those fakes if you can find a mahogany one to mod but it seems to be a real crap shoot to get one.
TheZepmeister 7 months ago
Orville I swear ?
Ankamaandre 7 months ago
My cousin bought a fake Les Paul gold flake. Said Gibson on the head, Gibson USA on the case and would've fooled anybody that didn't plug it in. He paid $1700 for it, until I told him it was fake, he thought it was real. Needless to say the pawn shop gave his money back. Like this one, when plugged in they sound like cheap pickups.
bigkane01 8 months ago
Going a step further, Roger Murillo (a native Venezuelan and an ace luthier if ever I saw one) improved things tri-fold by setting up the aforementioned electronics in such a matter that would permit COIL-SPLITTING. Just by my simply pulling up or pushing down each pickup's tone knob, I can go from classic Gibson warmth (down) to gorgeously crystaline Fender clean (up). Thus, thanks to Roger, my Davison Les Paul Custom copy is now truly just that: CUSTOM. If you guys get a chance, look Roger up.
faschuck 8 months ago
This wouldn't happen to be a Davison LPC copy per chance, would it??? I bought one (the "Black Beauty" version) back in 2004, and it's been my #1 axe ever since {smiles}. Granted, the stock p'ups were pure shite (microphonic as hell, feeding back like crazy every time I'd so much as goose the gain up one notch), but I remedied this situation the following Xmas ('05) when I had my local luthier install two new Seymour Duncan Alnico Pro IIs plus GENUINE Gibson pots and toggle switch...
faschuck 8 months ago
what song is he playing?
ShynobieX 8 months ago
@famousstacker1 Read the title above the video, and the description below the video.
OddTimeMan 8 months ago
it sounds like you're playing in a cardboard box. You get what you pay for when you buy fakes.
InstantReverbPro 8 months ago
@InstantReverbPro A few years ago, my friend bought a fake Gibson LP Custom from China for $300. It was very well made, but it did need some work (pickups, tuners, bridge, nut, and a few other things, plus a fret-dress & set-up). Total cost came to $650 but now it feels/plays/sounds/looks amazing...like it cost thousands. He was so impressed, he bought another one. By the way, a genuine Gibson LP Custom costs $3,900.
OddTimeMan 8 months ago
Hey awesome guitar skills dude :-D...But the guitar sounds like a toy guitar xD
ilearntoplaybass 9 months ago
you get the look not the tone with these replicas
plexilespaul 9 months ago
@plexilespaul No, this guy is just a bad player with a terrible little amp. Look up PixxyLixxx, listen to his demo and take your words back.
TUUK2006 9 months ago 2
@plexilespaul
You are right.
navigator3744 8 months ago
found a fucken jem for 80 dollars USD, plus 100 dollars shipping making it 180 dollars, too good to be true of course cuz its chinese, but one day ill get one and see wat all this hype is all about
junkerde 9 months ago
it's got zero power to it, dreadful..
Jackiesstash08 10 months ago
@Jackiesstash08 You do realize that this was recorded years ago with a cellphone, right? There are many other videos of these fakes with MUCH better sound.
OddTimeMan 9 months ago
@OddTimeMan you could record one of these chinese copys at Abbey Road and it would still sound shit.
Jackiesstash08 9 months ago
@Jackiesstash08 That's a complete ignorant assumption on your part. Guitars are wood & simple electronics, it isn't rocket science. Any decent guitar with good electronics will perform well in the studio or on the stage. Jimmy Page often played a cheap Danelectro guitar & a cheap Harmony acoustic guitar. Eddie Van Halen's first guitars were put together himself using inexpensive parts. And that's just 2 examples, there are hundreds more!
OddTimeMan 9 months ago
@OddTimeMan i was only messing about, in a studio of course you can make 'anything' sound good, even the spice girls sound good in a studio, what deception. I wonder what these chinese monstrositys actually 'feel' like to hold and play though, as for Van Halen, he did actually have an American standard strat (the black and white striped one) that he loaded with a decent humbucker and that stripey Kramer, hardly cheap and nasty. Danelectros are pretty rad too.
Jackiesstash08 9 months ago
@Jackiesstash08 Fair enough.
OddTimeMan 9 months ago
There is nothing wrong with a Chinese Gibson, you get what you pay for, a few £100 those guitar are worth and sound ok tbh nothing like a real Gibson but real gibsons are worth £1000's and if you have they money to buy one then don't bother with these lol
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Jackiesstash08 10 months ago
@Jackiesstash08 Then I guess you better throw away your computer, cellphone, iPod, shoes, clothes, etc. etc. etc.
OddTimeMan 10 months ago 4
@Aroughful a piece of wood? do you know what wood a gibson is made ? do you know that a guitar can SUCK because of the wood and can ROCK because of the wood? the wood is EVERYTHING. please dont speak garbage and go study more musical instruments before you say another monstrocity.
Johnvc100 10 months ago
@Johnvc100 First of all, MANY guitars are made with the same woods as Gibson. Secondly, wood is very important with acoustic instruments, but not so much with solid-body electric guitars...it's all about the electronics.
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acdc1302 8 months ago
@OddTimeMan This is not true at all, because there are a lot of differents between an original les paul '59 and a new '59...the sound of the original comes more from the wood than the electronics... the original sounds louder when he's unplugged...the tone is more natural.
acdc1302 8 months ago
@acdc1302 They don't make pickups like the original PAF's anymore, so the reissue pickups (and other electronics like pots, caps & wire) will sound a little different. The unplugged sound of a solid-body electric guitar is completely unrelated to the plugged-in sound. No correlation whatsoever.
OddTimeMan 8 months ago
@OddTimeMan @OddTimeMan What is you experience and background, because I was told by a professional luthier who has been repairing guitars for 35 years that wood makes a significant difference in solid bodies, both sustain and tone. I'm not being a wiseguy; I'm just asking if you are an expert on the subject and why your statement would be different from another experts' statement. And he did say solid bodies, we did not discuss semi-hollows or acoustics. Thanks
prettynoose8497 7 months ago
@prettynoose8497 I started building guitars & speaker cabs back in the late 70's and I still like to tinker with them...it's a hobby of mine. Luthiers always disagree with each other. So much of what they say is just OPINION and not FACT. But I could show you articles written by experienced luthiers that say wood makes a small impact on the tone with solid-body electrics. I know a luthier that built a great sounding guitar from particleboard, just to prove a point!
OddTimeMan 7 months ago
@OddTimeMan Those would be cool articles to see; are they on a website anywhere?
prettynoose8497 7 months ago
@prettynoose8497 I'll PM you the links.
OddTimeMan 7 months ago
@prettynoose8497 When I click on your username is says "This Channel Not Available." Let me know how I can send you those links.
OddTimeMan 7 months ago
@prettynoose8497 Jimmy Page got great tone out of a cheap Danelectro guitar...made of Masonite! And there are plenty of examples of great sounding guitars that are made of cheap woods, plywood, plexiglass, aluminum, etc. Yes, the materials used will definitely affect the sustain & tone, but not nearly as much as the electronics that are used.
OddTimeMan 7 months ago
@OddTimeMan Wood matters with tone....
sonicthehedgehogxp 7 months ago
@sonicthehedgehogxp Yes, it does. I never said it didn't. But with solid-body electric guitars, the ELECTRONICS have a MUCH greater affect on the tone than the wood does.
OddTimeMan 7 months ago
@OddTimeMan great point
sonicthehedgehogxp 7 months ago
@OddTimeMan i dissagree that the type of wood isn't important with electric guitars
13thfbass 7 months ago
@13thfbass Luthiers disagree on the affect that wood has on tone with solid-body electric guitars. Some believe, and I happen to agree, that it's around 85% electronics and 15% everything else, including the wood. I know a luthier that built a good sounding particleboard guitar, just to prove his point. And there are many examples out there of guitars made of cheap woods, plexiglass, plywood, aluminum, etc. that sound great. Lots of articles are written on this subject.
OddTimeMan 7 months ago 2
@OddTimeMan thats wrong. wood matters a ton. wood drives the price of a guitar greatly, heck, if only electronics mattered they'd be giving guitars away.
calebfountaine96 7 months ago
@calebfountaine96 Yes, wood often drives the price of guitars because of the PERCEPTION that wood is crucial to good tone with solid-body electric guitars, but there's no evidence what-so-ever that Honduran Mahogany sounds better than African Mahongany...or Asian Mahogany. It's all opinions & theories. Decades ago, Agathis was considered an exotic tonewood, but now it's used in inexpensive guitars because it's abundant & affordable. Honduran Mahogany is expensive because it's endangered.
OddTimeMan 7 months ago 9
@OddTimeMan Well, I suppose it's not actually proven fact, but the thousands of guitarists that claim better tonal responsiveness with better woods has to attest to something. I can hear a distinct tonal difference between my Koa Les Paul and Mahogany Les Paul (Both loaded with Burstbucker 1s&2s), same with my Ash and Alder Strats (granted, there are likely many factors affecting the tone between the two, but the wood definitely plays a big part).
Jimmothy16 4 months ago
@Jimmothy16 Yes, I agree that with solid-body electric guitars the wood DOES affect the tone, the question is: How much? I believe it's around 80%-85% electronics & 15%-20% wood & other parts. But this is an age-old dispute & even professional luthiers disagree. Consider this: Strats made of Alder, Ash, Poplar, Plywood, Mahogany, Plexiglass, etc. may differ in tone but they ALL still have that thin, jangly signature Strat sound. But put in humbuckers & 500k pots & GONE is that Strat sound.
OddTimeMan 4 months ago
@OddTimeMan Changed but not gone; it will still sound shrill and thin like a Strat. Put that same Humbucker on a Les Paul and it will sound much thicker and deeper because of the denser wood and higher mass. I believe that the way you play and set up your equipment alters the amount that each element affects tone. If you have an EMG running into a high gain amp, then it doesn't matter what that EMG is attached to, but have your gain nice and low, and you can hear the affect the wood has.
Jimmothy16 4 months ago
@Jimmothy16 I disagree. Strats with humbuckers & 500k pots don't have that thin, jangly, Strat sound at all. Telecasters with humbuckers & 500k pots don't have that bright Country twang at all. There's a reason why Country artists don't use Les Pauls...generally speaking that is. Single coil pickups & 250k pots have a very distinctive sound.
OddTimeMan 4 months ago
@OddTimeMan Sorry didn't put that across very well; a Strat with humbuckers will not sound like a conventional Strat though nor will it sound like a Les Paul, it will still sound thinner and have much more defined top end and less low end than the same humbuckers will in a mahogany, short scale-length guitar. And actually on very low gain settings, with low-output 'buckers a Strat still sounds remarkably Strat-like though definitely fatter, it will still retain the recognizable top-end sparkle.
Jimmothy16 4 months ago
@OddTimeMan I could also word this SO much better if I didn't have a fucking 500 character limit.
Jimmothy16 4 months ago
@Jimmothy16 Agreed!
OddTimeMan 4 months ago
@calebfountaine96 Or, as my buddies used to joke, the guitar is free, the electronics will cost you $4000.
straybeat 7 months ago 2
@OddTimeMan LOL you are joking I hope. Wood is SO important in electric, I used to not think so but that was a novice thought. Wood makes so much difference in the tone.
njones1091 5 months ago
@njones1091 Professional luthiers disagree on this topic. There are hundreds of articles written about it. I know a luthier who built a particleboard guitar with great tone, just to prove his point. And there are a million examples of guitars out there made of plexiglass, plywood, aluminum, carbon fiber, and other unconventional materials that have great tone. Wood is very important with acoustic guitars but not so much with solid-body electrics...it's mostly the electronics.
OddTimeMan 5 months ago
@OddTimeMan I don't care who wrote about it, I've personally played 2 "identical" guitars as far as electronics go but they used two different types of wood and I personally preferred the tone of the mahogany guitar over the maple. I'll admit that you can make a good sounding particle board or plexiglass guitar but its about preferences, there are huge differences in various woods and you CAN tell the difference. Go play around with differently made guitars and you should hear it.
njones1091 5 months ago
@njones1091 Yes, you CAN tell the difference, I never said you couldn't. But with solid-body electric guitars, the ELECTRONICS, not the wood, makes MOST of the sound. A Les Paul made of Alder won't suddenly sound like a Strat. A Strat made of Mahogany won't suddenly sound like a LP. But put Strat single coils & 250k pots in a LP and GONE is that fat, warm signature LP sound. Put humbuckers & 500k pots in a Strat and GONE is that thin, jangly signature Strat sound.
OddTimeMan 5 months ago
@njones1091 Strats made of Alder, Ash, Poplar, Mahogany, Plywood, Basswood, etc. may sound different from each other but they ALL still have that thin, jangly signature Strat sound. Les Pauls made of Mahogany w/ Maple cap, Mahohany w/ Mahogany top, Alder, Basswood, Honduran Mahogany, African Mahogany, Asian Mahogany, etc. may sound different from each other but they ALL still have that fat, warm signature LP sound. It's mostly the electronics that give those guitars that signature sound.
OddTimeMan 5 months ago
@OddTimeMan This is sooo not true and how mistaken you are Sir. Any guitar maker will tell you the best way to find a very good electric guitar is to play it unplugged first. You can tell how good an electric will sound plugged up by how well it rings acoustically. If the wood didn't matter they would all be made from aluminum.
shaindaman13 5 months ago
@shaindaman13 There are SOOO many misconceptions out there. Opinions & theories are NOT facts! There is absolutely NO evidence that good unplugged tone means good plugged-in tone. I have a guitar that doesn't sound that great unplugged, but sings when plugged-in. And I have another guitar that sounds pretty good unplugged, but just sounds ok plugged-in. Also, there are a million examples out there of great sounding guitars made from aluminum, plexiglass, carbon fiber, plywood, pine, etc.
OddTimeMan 5 months ago
@OddTimeMan No misconceotions at all. I know that wood are what guitars were made with first and all this carbon-fiber non wood crap is a novelty. Like fine wines taste better with age, wood also ages and improves in tone over time. Metal doesn't. In a 100 years, it'll still be a chunk of metal, maybe with a little rust. My Les Paul sounds far better than it did 15 years ago. Fine instruments are made of wood. Stratovarious would laugh his ass off if he saw a plastic violin. But whatever dude.
shaindaman13 5 months ago
@shaindaman13 You are assuming that the effects woods have on ACOUSTIC guitars automatically apply to solid-body ELECTRIC guitars too. They are completely different animals. There are tons of articles written by professional luthiers on this topic and MANY say: Wood is VERY important with acoustics, but not so much with solid-body electrics...it's mostly the ELECTRONICS that create the tone. By the way, a Stratovarious is an ACOUSTIC instrument.
OddTimeMan 5 months ago
@OddTimeMan I'm not ASSUMING anything. I know what I'm talking about. It makes a huge difference. By your logic a ping pong paddle with strings on it would sound the same as a Strovarious if both were miked up or amplified electrically. Anyone with half a brain would know it wouldn't. The materials used to construct it and the hands that play it make the instrument sound the way it does. Like I say though, whatever man.
shaindaman13 5 months ago
@shaindaman13 YOU know what you're talking about but hundreds of professional luthiers DON'T? Whatever, dude. And again I say, MOST, not ALL, of the tone comes from the electronics with solid-body electric guitars. Understand the difference between MOST and ALL? Strats made of Alder, Ash, Poplar, Mahogany, Plywood, etc. may sound different from each other, but they all still have that thin, jangly signature Strat sound. But install humbuckers & 500k pots and GONE is that signature Strat sound.
OddTimeMan 5 months ago
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@shaindaman13 YOU know what you're talking about but hundreds of professional luthiers DON'T? Whatever, dude. And again I say, MOST, not ALL, of the tone comes from the electronics with solid-body electric guitars. Understand the difference between MOST and ALL? Strats made of Alder, Ash, Poplar, Mahogany, Plywood, etc. may sound different from each other, but they all still have that thin, jangly signature Strat sound. But install humbuckers & 500k pots and GONE is that signature Strat sound.
OddTimeMan 5 months ago
@OddTimeMan Wood is EXTREMELY important on electric guitars !!! Take a 62 original strat and a good deluxe from nowadays... Have you ever heard the IMMENSE difference?? That's not only about the electronics! I used fender example because IMHO you can really find it easily
terzolilu 4 months ago
@terzolilu Yes, they'll sound different from each other, but they'll both still sound like Strats. One won't sound like a Les Paul, right? Why? The ELECTRONICS. But put humbuckers & 500k pots in a Strat and GONE is that thin jangly signature Strat sound. Why? The ELECTRONICS. A Les Paul made of alder won't suddenly sound like a Strat, will it? No. It will still have that fat warm signature Les Paul sound. Why? The ELECTRONICS. Strats made of plywood, plexiglass, etc. ALL still sound like Strats.
OddTimeMan 4 months ago
Ok, take a 250$ Epiphone Dot made in china. (which is pretty good value for money and not a creap gtr)
Then take an ES-335 custom from Gibson.
Now put the Gibson pick-up and all the other electronics stuff on the Ephiphone...
I know, it will sound great but... It's the same thing????
terzolilu 4 months ago
@terzolilu No, it wouldn't be exactly the same but it would be pretty darn close...for a fraction of the Gibson price.
OddTimeMan 4 months ago
@GabeAllenTV Yes this guitar sounds bad but it's most likely because it was recorded with a cellphone camera. There are other videos of these guitars which sound WAY better.
OddTimeMan 10 months ago
@OddTimeMan hey random question, i was thinking to buy one of these replicas and i thought if it sounds shitty i can just switch out the pickups with real gibsons. it would be the same shit and way cheaper
full0armor4 10 months ago
@full0armor4 Changing the pickups would definitely be an improvement, but these fakes need other things too like: pots & caps, input jack, tuners, bridge, string nut, fret-dress & set-up. The woods, construction, & finish is usually pretty good. They make good project guitars.
OddTimeMan 10 months ago
ugh,the FIRST Les Paul, created by Mr. Les Paul HIMSELF is the ONLY original period!! even the second les paul built was a copy,fake,or replica of the original.so the first les paul made by the hands of Les Paul himself is the only TRUE original!!! if it looks and sounds good,PLAY IT!!!
mazinmace 10 months ago
This is not a replica. A replica is an authorized, legit copy from the manufacturer, such as a 1959 V.O.S replica from Gibson. This is a copy due to the lack of endorsement from Gibson. The quality of these copies are Getting somewhat better, but once you play a true custom and feel the balanced weight and quality, and hear the tones they are capable of, there is no comparison.
goredeathrot 10 months ago
@goredeathrot Well the word "Replica" means "Copy" by definition...it doesn't matter if it's authorized or not. Slash's Gibson replicas are unauthorized copies. He doesn't play them anymore because of his endorsement deal with Gibson.
OddTimeMan 10 months ago
@OddTimeMan rep·li·ca/ˈreplikə/Noun
1. An exact copy or model of something, esp. one on a smaller scale.
2. A duplicate of an original artistic work
And of course Slash's guitars are authorized. His signature models come with a certificate of AUTHENTICITY and are cataloged individually by Gibson. :p
goredeathrot 10 months ago
@goredeathrot Webster's Dictionary definition of Replica:
1. A close reproduction or facsimile.
2. COPY, DUPLICATE
And I'm not talking about Slash's Signature Series guitars made by Gibson, I'm talking about the unauthorized Gibson replicas (fakes) he used to play built by luthiers Max and Derrig.
OddTimeMan 10 months ago
@OddTimeMan Webster's is not the official formal English dictionary. A guitar made by a private luthier for Slash is still endorsed by Slash as he probably had exacting specs he wanted to be made by. It doesn't matter if it's a one off or a mass production run. Slash is still endorsing the guitar by playing it, or owning it.
goredeathrot 10 months ago
@goredeathrot No, I don't think you understand what an endorsement deal is. Just because you have a luthier make you a guitar, that doesn't mean you have an endorsement deal with him. Anyone can get a guitar made. Slash's first Gibson replica wasn't even made for him, it was his manager's guitar. But Slash had to retire those replicas because he now has an endorsement deal with Gibson. Those replicas are illegal unauthorized copies and those luthiers had to cease & desist.
OddTimeMan 10 months ago
@OddTimeMan Yes, I know lol. I was talking about his many Gibson models. I was getting away from my original point that a replica is exact specs of an original product being reproduced to the time period that it was created, where a copy is similar, but usually not to exacting standards.
goredeathrot 10 months ago
playing the best sound is not dependent on the guitar but on the guitarist... give tom morello some strat copies and he can still work it out. give a newbie an expensive gibson and let's see if he can do amazing things from it. what makes an authentic gibson expensive is because of the heritage, the name, the six letters on the headstock adds almost more-than-half of a reasonable price. :)
KuggeR23 11 months ago 2
no its not neccesary to spend thousand on a guitar, or even hundreds. plenty of players have made a point to never playing anything but junkers like jack white (except now he occasionally plays a custom gretsch thats a few grand). but to say that you can't hear every penny of the difference i have to disagree with. you take a real gibson and any fake gibson get on a real stage with real equipment and nothing could be more obvious.
blahblahblah21702 11 months ago
I'd buy my kid a nice from Japan Ibanez for 700. 800 bucks before I'd buy him a Chinese guitars of any type be careful a lot of low priced Ibanez guitars are made in China and they suck bad. I’ve been playing since 1974 on a Ibanez custom Les Paul made in USA, and my current Ibanez 540 radius with a Screaming demon tremolo pickup the only other 2 guitars I want is a Strat American, and a Neal Schon signature Gibson 1480 LE goldtop.
James1toknow 11 months ago
@James1toknow "I’ve been playing since 1974 on a Ibanez custom Les Paul made in USA"??? Really? Ibanez's were all made in Japan back then.
OddTimeMan 11 months ago
@OddTimeMan What I meant was the Radius 540 was made or built in Bensalem PA, the custom I don't have anymore, but it was of fine quality! I have played on many Gibson’s and they are top notch! any way I hope this clears this up!
James1toknow 11 months ago
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@OddTimeMan What I meant was the Radius 540 was made or built in Bensalem PA, the custom I don't have anymore, but it was of fine quality! I have played on many Gibson’s and they are top notch! any way I hope this clears this up!
James1toknow 11 months ago
i prefer china made guitar why? cos' branded guitars give price that is so expensive!
the sounds depends on how to you mix it.
xXMeTalZXx 11 months ago
It doesn't matter how it looks ...this one is close to Gibson but ...only close. What matters is the sound. In this case the sound is very poor. You know pickups talk, the wood used for guitar also talks, so when they are cheap ...it sounds like we can hear in this vid. BAD !
ibek1200 11 months ago
my family are working in fake gibson guitar factory in china, we are make lots of money, not like other family working at farm, make little money. this are good guitar, same same! why all the fuss? it good qualety!
mescalinewave 11 months ago
@mescalinewave lol
hirskdubbi 11 months ago
I ONLY buy American made Guitars so my money Stays in the US... You paid 400 for that POS when you could have bought a used Les Paul Studio for the same price. Your Chink guitar sounds like BirdShit!!!
sngncwby 11 months ago
@sngncwby Your American CEO's have sold it all to the rest of the world. Don't be an idiot. Are you going to deprive your kids of a (close to) Les Paul, because they aren't CEO's, who can afford a $4,000 dollar Les Paul? Do Gobson's workers make $80 bucks an hour? NO! Screw the CEO's (or make them pay their fare share of taxes), and bring guitars back to America! Maybe god will give you one in the afterlife. F%^k'in Christians.PS: Ain't the country that makes the sound, but the player, dweeb!
laaxe 11 months ago
@sngncwby American guitars are just ASSEMBLED in USA. They're made with imported woods. Pots, caps, wires, tuners, bridge/tailpiece, knobs, and other plastic & metal parts are made in Asia. America doesn't manufacture much anymore.
OddTimeMan 11 months ago 35
@OddTimeMan But it's put together by skilled craftsman. This is a stupid post and 25 people didn't think before they gave a thumbs up.
Hollowe 7 months ago
That really hurts my ears !!!
Scorpion250479 6 months ago
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JBL8863 5 months ago
@JBL8863 Agreed, but one of the biggest problems is American labor is just too damn expensive. So many American companies were forced to outsource jobs to avoid declaring backruptcy. There's something really wrong when American companies can't even afford to hire Americans.
OddTimeMan 5 months ago
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JBL8863 5 months ago
@JBL8863 You think greed only exists with corporations? Human beings are greedy! I work in the Motion Picture industry and Union workers make WAAAY too much! I can't afford them at all. I hire all non-union workers. And most Union workers get paid vacation days, paid sick days, paid personal days, full medical/dental/vision benefits, etc. etc. etc. And every year they demand even more. That's why so many productions flee to Right-To-Work states so they can hire all non-Union.
OddTimeMan 5 months ago
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JBL8863 5 months ago
@JBL8863 And it's a fact that many US companies over the years faced bankruptcy, so they outsourced to stay alive. Most consumers can't even afford to BUY American made products anymore! That's why Walmart is so popular...and Chinese counterfeits.
OddTimeMan 5 months ago