2009 ARCA at Daytona Patrick Sheltra Bad Crash

[Stewart14rocks]

Do The ARCA drivers have Brakes?

[acenace24]

A-All

R-Racers

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A-Accidents

[15taz151]

arca driver: oh a crash. let me speed up!

[TheKillMatta]

I like Nascar

[101lemons]

The 23 not braking....absolutely unexcusable. That could have killed Sheltra. Watching it live, I thought it did.

[bigbob3840]

hahahahahahahaha

[STICKGUYMB]

@azbobbybooshay10

LOL!!!!

[azbobbybooshay10]

ARCA = Amateur Rookies Crashing Always

[LostHighwayFilms]

i was watching ARCA at some other track i forgot wich, but when the crash began with only ONE car spinning alone, about 15-20 seconds later it was like a big pile up. It's really fun and entertaning to watch but they can't drive, i mean seriosuly! But it's still fun to watch...

[insanebackflip199]

the guy hit him like 10 seconds after the origional crash and how can you not avoid a neon green and yellow car sitting there??

[clitus03]

i talked to patrick and he said he dont rememeber nothin but bouncin off the wall and then wakin up in the hospital and you dont belive me it was at salem speedway right after this race

[ewright407]

I remember watching this live. Silence. They didn't show replays because they had a feeling someone got seriously hurt.

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

@ewright407 My stomach was in my throat when I watched this. Totally ridiculous this wreck happened.

[cookieacdc24]

ok how come these guys get in wrecks like 30 seconds after they happen? they all hav talent 2 race but yet they cant miss one car where even ur average person could miss

[bajahottrod]

ARCA- American Racecar Crashing Association

[BadErnest]

Wow. We have seen this type of accident again and again and again in ARCA. Its totally ridiculous.

[trainboy32]

im glad patrick is ok he has ran a few nationwide series races this year

[xocutestkenzieox]

That is a very rude comment....the drivers are very smart and it is not a reck fest at all! Patrick got very hurt and his team and relatives got several calls saying he was dead.....so you guys that are putting this crap upppp....SHUT UP!!!

[lyokowarrior100]

Epic!

[circlethewagons1]

you people have to remember. This is NOT the cup series and doesn't claim to be. These drivers are learning, which is what this series is for. But they still put on better shows than most NASCAR races

[xmn86]

@circlethewagons1 its common sense to use brakes

[MrHartfordHockey]

wow you can hear the brakes and the crash

[Wylei]

ARCA Drivers leave DW speachless, and that is hard to do. They just keep piling in...

[Videoshocker]

the race ended under caution

[MurphyMonster]

Seriously, Gordon or Junior would be getting T-Boned by some fucknut without ARCA

[racingkat]

@MurphyMonster yea but you have to remember the spotter of the 23 played a big role in this not all the drivers fault....its simple enough, ARCA drivers need to be certified to race, they start with a test on a short track, then intermediate then speedways and superspeedways, spotters on the other hand can be any body. they don't have to have experience. i suggest making spotters the same, make them start on short track and work up to super speedways!!!

[MurphyMonster]

ARCA guys dont know how to drive

[24jeffgordan88JRfan]

thank god they got they got there own divison........

[crakajack3]

yea seriously, 2010 arca daytona, cars were wrecking at the exit of turn 2, cars that were entering turn 1 went full throttle into the smoke

[circlethewagons1]

@MurphyMonster that's a pretty ignorant comment to make

[MrNascarfan24]

i was in oldfield tower i herd the hit it gave me a feeling hes dead

[Nas49Razing]

these arca drivers dont know what brakes are

[starsandbarsDixie]

I love it!

[KuzhelTigerzhe]

can anybody tell me if sheltra was hurt?

in Germany we don't get any information about that -.- i hate it

and i just want to know because i am a nascar-fan

thank you ;)

[SimRacin14]

Sheltra won the following ARCA event at Salem Speedway in April,about two months after this race. I was there to see the Salem race in person(I take pictures for a couple teams)

[JosephShelton]

Sheltra walked away uninjured.

[racingkat]

@ josephShelton--he didnt walk away uninjured he was in the hospital a few days for fractures

[JosephShelton]

Oh. Sorry about that!

[starsandbarsDixie]

He had a compression fracture in his vertebrate. But he was fine.

[KuzhelTigerzhe]

thank you ;)

[Porygonseizureman]

@starsandbarsDixie Considering that type of injuries also happened to Will Power and Vitor Meira later in the same year. All have returned to the race track and are producing similar results to what they produced before the crashes. Vitor hasn't won any races but that should be expected from a one car effort from AJ Foyt these days.

[NikoRoman187]

Someone should tell Hollenbeck that Days of Thunder is just a movie.... What a retard..

[henery22lr]

nothin like driving straight through someone

[zmann2420]

This crash scared me to death. I thought for sure Sheltra was gone.Thank God for the safety of these cars now.

[UltimateEEnEFan]

I remember watching this. I always know that drivers will walk away because of the amazing safety in the cars nowadays, but with this one, I wasn't too sure. Which scared me.

[tubeyou443]

I remember this clearly, I kept checking the internet for updates on his condition every five minutes. It scared me how they red flagged the race for so long.

[utvolfan2012]

@tubeyou443 And it took a long time for Speed to show a replay, which scared me just as much. When they don't show any sort of replay of what happened, you know it's bad, you just don't know how bad.

[kuhndog52]

i thought the hiting driver was dead

[sethlynch17]

that is the definition of a bad day

[ampenergy327]

i went to this race. i saw patrick spin out i thoght that was it untill i heard a huge BANG and saw the car spinning around... the crowd was very quiet after that

[SaintBEEP]

i thought he was for sure, happy to see him having a great comeback and great season

[clintcheif2009]

Both Sheltra and Hollenbeck required medical treatment, and were transferred to the Halifax Medical Center. Both were released on the following Monday. According to team reports, Sheltra suffered a compression fracture of the back

[Bluestorm5]

saw this live! Love to watch ARCA due to crashes!

[red03mitsu]

hgoly crap - this is the first time i've seen this wreck. good the 60 got hit where it did at least

[kartchamp47]

still got hurt though

[madisondanton]

Just saw him in a nationwide crash at daytona that was pretty hard.

[NaTex2488xHMS]

i almost cried when i was watching this

[montyth]

this was scary! I was honestly worried about a double fatality, especially when they weren't showing replays, and showed them being cut out of the cars. Thank God for the safety innovations that have allowed these guys to continue racing!

[NSracing1]

Hollenbeck could have slowed down at least a little. Hey it is arca this is why i love it most of them cant drive.

[Canon39]

its not like the car can just slow down to 20 miles per hour in 200 feet. trust me, everyone in arca can drive, if you knew anything about racing youd know its a very elite series. its easy to say "oh he could have slowed down" watching from here, but shit happens fast out there.

[NSracing1]

I understand i am a racer myself it just seems like he could have done something. I know it is hard something similar happened to me before. I think there are some drivers that are in arca are still learning how to drive. There is alot of good drivers tho.

[xN0Fear88x]

i agree with NSracing1. Every race at daytona in arca is a complete wreck fest. i mean there is guys who slam into the wreck like 15 seconds after it starts. its pretty damn ridiculous (but quite entertaining)

[systemfan1188]

It was like 3-4 years ago - last lap on the backstretch there was a wreck that lasted like 2 minutes, cars just piling into parked cars and slowed up cars - it was un real. Someone may have died in that race I can't remember. It was the race where the one driver slid through his pitsall and through an opening on pitland and into some spectators and photgraphers.

[utvolfan2012]

It was the ARCA 200 in 2005. Two cars upside-down and everything...ARCA drivers do wreck at Daytona all the time, it seems at least once a year they have a scary crash where some idiots goes full speed into someone a good ten seconds after the wrecking stops

[b00mYou]

@xN0Fear88x Because it's so hard to see when you are 2x2 or 3x3 at Daytona, especially in an ARCA car. The way the cars are designed, the driver sits lower than they do in a cup car making it extremely difficult to see around the cars to see the wall. Just look at Daytona races when the Sprint Cup Series used these cars - you seen wreck after wreck, and more often than not, half the field would either be behind the garage, or limping around the track with a car with no fenders left on it.

[99KOOLAIDMAN]

@b00mYou no would not see that because cup drivers are actually good and when cup used these they were made totally differant nowhere nere ARCA cars 

[NASCARFreak1699]

I thaught they were both dead

[dansing763]

The only thing that tells the ARCA drivers that there is a caution before the spotter is a small light. Larry Hollenbeck must not have seen it, especially with the smoke.

[snowddoogg]

ouch that driver number 60 is dam lucky he did not get hit right on the door panel

[Midnightmoon02]

he won the race on the 5th and hes my cousin

[NSracing1]

thats really cool. I like sheltra i have rooted in him.

[NSracing1]

i was not talking about the wreck as cool

[racingkat]

Yea ppl gain experience in ARCA but if u don't have any experience spotting at all then u have no place spotting espessially at daytona.drivers need to be certified to drive spotters should be cert. To spot point blank peruod..if I'm a driver I wouldn't want another drivers uncle shmo who has never spotted before up there in the spotters stand!!

[racingkat]

im talking to nascar o8

[BRITishMONKEYchild]

Good job he didnt go straight through the drivers door, ive seen that happen in oval racing in the uk (admitedly its an awefull lot slower but with giant iron bumpers on the front its just as dangerous) and ive seen somone taken away with the entire right side of their body paralysed, this would probably have killed him out right if he did go into the door

[nascar0809]

just think... u never see shit like this in the cup series. theres a reason these guys are in arca.

[racingkat]

you should just shut the fuck up with an idiot comment like that

[uiuoiujklj]

actually he's right. This is where most people gain experience. From losers like these people

[Trackmaster48sucks]

go kimmel 44

[atomicchuckle]

thank god for those HANS devices...that looks like some crazy whiplash in the morning...lol

[sprintcupfan24]

That was a huge hit. I was very glad to hear that both Patrick and Larry were ok.

[orgeronm]

One other thing, and not to blame any of the drivers involved, least of all Sheltra. At the start of the clip, Sheltra's car is already loose at the back. Trying to gather it up, he came down the banking and into Lofton, who had nowhere to go to avoid him. If Hollenbeck had slowed down too drastically, he could have triggered more accidents by checking up on cars behind him also blinded by smoke. It's racing-get over it and count our lucky survivors.

[Canon39]

amen.

[orgeronm]

No, Hollenbeck did not have the full 8 secs from Sheltra's slide to the impact to see smoke. 8 secs. even at yellow speed is quite a distance, and around mostly banked turn puts smoke out of Hollenbeck's line of sight until rather close to Sheltra's stopped car. Listen to the audio. Brakes are schreeching for more than a sec before impact. Hollenbeck DID see Sheltra's car and try to stop.  Just what speed was H. going at impact? Not looking much faster than the cars that missed S.

[orgeronm]

Actually Hollenbeck apparently saw Sheltra's car at the last possible moment through the smoke and steered up toward the wall to try to avoid hitting him, which probably saved Sheltra's life by putting the impact on his LR wheel instead of broadside in the driver's door. I saw that by clicking pause-play repeatedly until just before the impact. Hollenbeck's car clearly swerves to the outside just before impact, The car swerves front-first, deliberately steered ,rather than locking brakes.

[MOLSON783]

It doesn't fucking matter, point is, hollenbeck had 8 seconds from the time he started to see smoke till the time he made contact of sheltras car!! HE SHOULD OF AND HAD PLENTY OF TIME TO SLOW THE FUCK DOWN!

Yes of course we are glad that the hit was on the LR bumper or there abouts of sheltras car but TBH if you use common sense and watch the replay he had plenty of time to slow down. He is an idiot... plain and simple!

[crosby87amp]

why wasnt there any replay?

[hyperacti]

because they were fearing the worst.

[JonPilat111]

omg you can hear that hit what a tremendous crash good thing they survived

[calcasieu62]

Hollenbeck's spotter told him to go high, so you can't put 100% of the blame on the driver.

Sheltra got hurt pretty bad (as did Hollenbeck), but he's going to be OK. Hollenbeck did stop by Sheltra's room before he left the hospital to check on him.

[SportsfanDude161292]

good news, i heard that sheltra is 22 years old... and a florida native too

[minibus9]

nasty crash

[TaeKwonDoDUDE1]

i watched that whole race...and smaller crashes turned into bigger ones from lack of experience. I'm not sure if every car had a spotter, if they did..the spotters were doing a really poor job. Also, the drivers seemed to pay no attention to the slow down when there is a caution...its like they were racing for position after the flags came out, doesn't ARCA follow the field is frozen when the caution comes out rule??

[HuhThatHurt]

NGC500 :He needs to fire his spotter for one thing . Spotters can see plenty from The Tri-Oval into turn 4 where the wreck happened . Hollenback wasnt at fault . Heres your options of who is at fault . 1. His spotter for not communicating well enough while he was munching on his hot dog . 2. Justin Lofton for causing the initial contact which resulted in the wreck in the first place . 3. NASCAR Santioning Body for for even letting this race take place.

[Modor20]

Too bad NASCAR had zero to do with the race. Know your facts before you post.

[zmann2420]

I agree up until you get to Lofton. That was just a racing thing where Sheltra moved up the race track a bit, lost momentum, and Lofton couldn't let up in time. Also, ARCA is not NASCAR. Just extremely similar.

[HuhThatHurt]

I wasn't saying it was NASCAR . NASCAR Allows these ARCA Cars to race on a NASCAR Santioned Track .

[peejaa]

The safty workers could be a little faster!! Maybe thay need to hitt the Gym.. :)

[XxNOTINGxELSEXX]

ohh shit...

[HuhThatHurt]

If these half-ass spotters would put down the hotdogs, this could be avoided . A driver doing 180 mph in a tri-oval is not going the be able to stop in 6 seconds . Its not the drivers that need to wake up, its the spotter . These guys arent the best racers in the world either . ARCA in my opinion shouldnt even be racing at Daytona or any track over 1 1/2 Mile . This happens every year .

[NaTex2488xHMS]

That was one of the scarier moments in racing in awhile

[joncas21]

watch the Jeremy Lusk crash here: v=QhjxV34la88

[NGC500]

something i just noticed, check out that dark green car that avoids the crash, NICE peice of driving by that guy.

[airboatgirl0449]

For all the Sheltra fans, he is doing ok, at this point he is still in the hospital. Thank God angels can fly 150 + MPH.

[Chase16016]

lmao, thats funny... and true, angels are with people all the time.

[guntoter2]

I'll bet that sounded like the end of the world inside those cars.

[dustfuck]

Heard they're both ok, someone said Sheltra was complaining about his back, something about his seat had buckled in(like a clamshell). just glad we didnt lose another driver at that god awful track.

[bams175]

and these guys wonder why they can't find better rides

[bfballer3o]

I was at the race and I was listening to Speeds Production Scanner Frequency. It's basically the producer and pit producer talking to the commentators. Don't ask me why I always listen to them but I find it high interesting. Immediately after the crash Phil Parsons asked for a replay off the air and the producer responded "Nascar has pull all footage." Phil responded "Oh no..." and then it got really quiet. Kinda scary...

[Daytona5001979]

when speed showed no replays i thought he was dead but that was i think the most exciting arca race

[EazyE84x]

I also thought the worse when no replays were shown. The showed Hollenbeck get removed from his car but nothin of Sheltra

[WINNERSCIRCLE24]

bad bad wreck i though it was dale 3 all over again

[chatlos]

agree witha 110 %

[ARProductions2009]

nasty nasty wreck

[JackJamesElias]

Was that all the emergency equipment they had? Just two fire extinguishers? A little slow getting to the scene.

[ryan49321]

well consider that they made it there within 23 seconds after the car stopped and that there were 3 cars to be addressed.

[jmassy29]

i agree i thought the worst when speed did not replay the crash. and then i never heard an update other than they were taken for observation. very poor from speed network. other wise an exciting race.

[montyth]

I think nascar raceday gave an update. But it would have been nice to know if they were awake or not. You cant really blame it on SPEED though. The safety crews' first priority is to make sure the driver is okay; reporting the news to everyone else is not their first concern.

[NGC500]

Hollenbeck shouldnt be allowed to drive anymore, earlier in the race he did the same thing but was near missed by the other car. He never even let off the gas he just went full speed like he and his car were invincible... could have killed someone. that hit should have never happened at all, much less that hard... it really annoyed me that speed wouldnt replay the wreck either, made me think the dude was dead or something.

[kickthepony]

Are you kidding? He is driving through smoke, he doesn' t know where that car is at. People drive through smoke full speed all the time, if you fault anyone it should be his spotter for not telling him that Sheltra was still up at the wall.

[Rooster666]

Stupid people drive through smoke without slowing...

Think about it man, He had roughly 7.5 seconds to slow down and find somewhere else to go. The If he would've slowed down that 7.5 Seconds turns into a LOT MORE TIME TO REACT... There's more to say for finishing a race than there is for dying in one being an idiot...

This is not a "Shit happens" moment... This was completely inconsiderate driving...

Have you EVER actually RACED before?

[NGC500]

THANK YOU!!! Someone that actually understands racing and wreck avoidance! Finally! :)

[Chase16016]

they were slowing down. how about you try going into a cloud of smoke at 170 mph and not knowing where any cars are at?

Note this: I have prior race experience and have driven through a cloud of smoke, its the scariest thing I have done in a car.

[NGC500]

seriously chase. Hollenbeck was not slowing down. From when sheltra spun to when hollenbeck hit him was SEVEN SECONDS! how do you explain that?! seven seconds and your telling me he couldnt avoid that crash, much less SLOW DOWN AT ALL? To make it even worse sheltra stayed against the wall.... hollenbeck is just pathetically bad at driving a racecar, end of story and anyone that cant blatently see that is no better.

[Chase16016]

He WAS slowing down. He stayed along the wall because when a car hits the wall, it typically slides back down the track and that is what he was hoping for.

Are you saying Hollenbeck hit Sheltra on purpose?

[NGC500]

he WAS NOT slowing down. HE HAD 7 FRICKING SECONDS to slow down and avoid that crash. he was still going at least 150, and very likely faster than that. You say that he may have been expecting him to come back down the track, but he had been against the wall for FOUR SECONDS at that point, he wasnt going anywhere. I never said hollenbeck hit him on purpose, im saying hollenbeck doesnt know how to drive. You can keep trying to defend this guy, but in the end, hollenbeck is completely to blame

[Chase16016]

YES HE WAS!!!!! It doesn't matter how much time he had, he was going 170+ MPH towards an ACCIDENT, that he could not see through a cloud of SMOKE. Yeah, he probably could have slowed down more, but all in all, no one is to blame, it was an ACCIDENT. NO FAULT AGAINST ANYONE!!!

[NGC500]

Ok. if your that stupid/racing ignorant, then i have no need to argue with you.

[Chase16016]

wtf ever dude. I am the one with racing experience and I am telling you that hollenbeck is not to blame. That IS racing, there are going to be accidents, people are going to get hurt, and this was one of those moments, and if you dont believe me, you shouldn't be watching racing...... ask anyone that knows racing about this crash, they'll say it's nobody's fault.

[peejaa]

ya its Racing.. shit happins... its not that the Guy was doing it on Purpose. things are happening so fast!. one min your going 189mph. and it less than a sec. your up 3-4-8 mph and ya just get a drafft and ya can hitt the Brakes. Its Hard man ... :)

[Chase16016]

Thanx for backing me up dude. Tell that to NGC500.

[st3313rs]

That's called sportsmanship...

[Chase16016]

lol, yeah.

[NGC500]

lol. How can you say that was a racing incident??????????? That was just bad driving/wreck avoidance. HE COULD HAVE HAD THAT CAR STOPPED IN 7 SECONDS, yet he was still going 150+ and you cant blame the smoke, he could have gone down the track and gotten out of the smoke or STOPPED THE CAR. Do not give me any crap about that he couldnt stop in that time because he can and i know for a fact he could have. ANother thing is there wasnt even much smoke anyways. You are pathetic.

[Chase16016]

I would love to put you in the driver's seat of hollenbeck's car. You would have hit Sheltra too. All I am saying is that racing is a very hard motorsport, for me too.

[MOLSON783]

Chase your just another wanna be big shot who races a honda civic at his local track who thinks he knows it all and calls him self a racer!! I counted at leat 9 seconds from sheltra spinning to the moron hitting him. Hollenbeck is just a moron whos seen days of thunder way to many times! The minute...no no the second you see smoke YOU LIFT OFF THE GAS!!!! He clearly didn't and if sheltra died, i hope he would be held accountable! Hell even we take care of our fellow drivers in our racing leagues

[Chase16016]

Bitch stay the fuck out of this! I do race a Honda Civic, I am with the racing league SCCA, it is my life dream to be a big shot racer, dont fuck it up for me. so far I'm doing alright, but seriousley, 16 yaers old and racing, thats pretty good.

[kingofrunescapepking]

maybe he didnt c sheltra's car cuz of the smoke?!

[Modor20]

"You're".

[kickthepony]

At 160 MPH 7.5 seconds goes by quickly. Plus, it was an ACCIDENT. Get over it. Should Kyle Busch and Dale Jr be kicked out of racing because they PURPOSELY wrecked each other? That is alot more careless and "inconsiderate driving" than a guy not slowing down.

[Rooster666]

Wow dude... Really?

are you trying to tell me 7.5 Seconds is FASTER at 160 than 7.5 seconds standing still?

7.5 seconds at 160...

8 seconds at 150

9 seconds at 140

10 Seconds at 130...

MORE TIME TO REACT, SMART DRIVING.

[Chase16016]

Thank You!!

[TheeeeeJ]

i dont blame them for not showing a replay. they didnt know if the drivers were even alive or not. at the 2001 daytona 500 fox showed a replay of earnhardts wreck with his onboard camera and they got criticized for it. no network wants to make that kind of mistake.

[NGC500]

i agree with you completely, but i read today that both drivers were alive and concious when they were taken from their cars, at that point, i think it was okay for them to show it. I agree with them not showing it before they got the word that they were ok though, i guess i should have made that clearer

[nascargavin8]

yeah i was thinking the same thing. i've noticed over time that they don't ever show a replay until they know for a fact that a driver has signaled that they're okay.

[zmann2420]

especially when SPEED is run by the same company as FOX: NewsCorp and Rupert Murdoch

[SkittlesRacing]

Okay, i understand that there was 7.5 seconds between the time Sheltra spun and the impact, but you also do not know what else was going on. All you saw was the spin and the impact. Hollembecks spotter could have been trying to guide him through the wreck and it is true that normally the cars do slide down the track and out of the way. I'm not saying he shouldn't have been slowed down, but you guys shouldn't crucify the guy for this. I'm sure he already feels bad enough. Leave the poor man alone

[kickthepony]

I agree with skittles, cars do slide down the track. And like I said before, if you want to blame people blame the spotter for not getting him through it cleanly. But most importantly, thats racing. Crashes happen. Just like injuries happen in other sports, the drivers know the risks they are taking when they go out there. As far as I know Sheltra hasn't said anything about Hollenbeck hitting him, so why the fuck should you?

[amburnett2448]

I was at that race sitting down towards Turn 1. I'm sure Patrick was fine after the initial contact with the wall, but that second hit could be heard from down where we were sitting.

[SportsfanDude161292]

i didn't notice that sheltra was born in florida... wow, a florida native gets hospitialized after very sick hit in the driver side...

[YusakuJon3]

According to ARCA online, both Sheltra and Hollenbeck are recovering at an area hospital to which they've been taken for observation. That's better than I was expecting when I saw the incident on Speed TV during the rerun early this morning. These are two very lucky men.

[scook120]

That isn't funny. That guy could have died as a result of that wreck.

[paris08hilton]

MMMMM HOT@@@@@!

[dolphinmagic24fan]

wow, brutal wreck

[scook120]

Thank goodness for safety gear.