a good mod, but using this parallel RC mod is known to affect the original taper of the tone pot but putting a 130k resistor in series with the capacitor eliminates this ill effect whilst still giving you the treble bleed. Did you notice a change in vol pot taper response using the parallel RC mod?
Thanks for the info! I wanna try it, I like the ease of it too, I just was concerned that it would be a volume loss issue too, sounds like the mod keeps some of the volume and cleans up the drive, my amp is a tube amp do it should work. Thanks!
I wanna do this to my strat too...I have a blues junior amp and typically have to play with knobs on 10, using different pedals for more gain and solo boosts. This seems like what many professionals likely do in Blues and rock, assuming the idea is to play on 7-8 and using the vol to boost gain or for solos right? Are there issues being lost in the mix since u r turning down? Or it cleans up only?
@fishmank27 - I wouldn't say this is the 'right' way to do it, just another option that has been proven to work well. It is seen most in the blues and classic rock scene because players in the 60's and 70's had to crank non-master volume amps to get distortion. They didn't have pedals or channels, so they used their guitar's volume knob. With a responsive amp this will simply clean up the signal at unity volume. If you can crank up a tube amp this is a great choice and is a lot of fun to use
@fishmank27 - It isn't better or worse than using pedals, just different. I'd say try both out and use which one works best for you. If you try using the volume knob on the guitar and your tone gets dull and loses sparkle then try adding this treble bleed. It can make a big difference.
@ShutOutStar - Sure man, it helps when you turn your guitar volume down to keep the tone balanced. Normally you lose more treble than bass resulting in a muffled sound when you turn down. The Treble bleed allows some treble frequencies to 'bleed' back into the signal keeping the tone balanced when you lower the volume.
It is really useful if you play a single channel amp and use your guitar's volume knob to control dirty/clean. If you always leave the knob on 10 then it won't matter.
@fabianromano - In my experience it can vary from guitar to guitar, which is why you see a lot of variation in the values used for cap and resistor. I started with a cap and no resistor - and that became very bright/thin as I rolled the volume back. I toyed with the resistor value in parallel and that helped smooth things out and keep it very constant throughout the volume taper.
With the right values I find the treble bleed mod to be the best way to get constant tone at all volumes.
@ermonski - I believe it was a .001 uf cap with a 150k resistor in series. The resistor helped smooth things out quite a bit. With the cap alone I also lost some bass.
@kleydj13 may I know how the resistor smoothens things out and retains the bass and mids? I really want the warm and clear cleans to be heard as if the distortion is not engaged. thanks!
@ermonski - The capacitor allows some of the treble to pass over the volume pot without anything keeping it in check, which is why turning down the volume knob can produce a very thin trebley sound. Putting a resistor alongside that capacitor helps to keep the treble flow in check to better match the taper of the pot.
Check out the link I put in the description for more information on how to set it up. I actually think I used Seymour Duncan's method with a 100k resistor in parallel.
@kleydj13 - It may be necessary to experiment with different values of both capacitor and resistor to best match the circuit to your guitar and pickups. It really helps in the end though to allow you to use your volume knob to reach its full potential, I use mine constantly now when I play.
@SimanGtr75 - Usually when you roll back the volume knob it cuts treble faster than it cuts bass along with the volume. The point of the treble bleed is to 'bleed' treble back into the circuit as you roll down the tone knob to make the EQ similar regardless of where the volume knob is at.
@zer0dahero - Thanks, it's actually a warmoth/allparts homebrew. I really love Allparts necks and the warmoth body is really nice as well. You can't get a Fender with these specs.
a good mod, but using this parallel RC mod is known to affect the original taper of the tone pot but putting a 130k resistor in series with the capacitor eliminates this ill effect whilst still giving you the treble bleed. Did you notice a change in vol pot taper response using the parallel RC mod?
TalkToTheBody 1 week ago
great playing buddy
ArkAngelHFB 3 weeks ago
Thanks for the info! I wanna try it, I like the ease of it too, I just was concerned that it would be a volume loss issue too, sounds like the mod keeps some of the volume and cleans up the drive, my amp is a tube amp do it should work. Thanks!
fishmank27 1 month ago
I wanna do this to my strat too...I have a blues junior amp and typically have to play with knobs on 10, using different pedals for more gain and solo boosts. This seems like what many professionals likely do in Blues and rock, assuming the idea is to play on 7-8 and using the vol to boost gain or for solos right? Are there issues being lost in the mix since u r turning down? Or it cleans up only?
fishmank27 1 month ago
@fishmank27 - I wouldn't say this is the 'right' way to do it, just another option that has been proven to work well. It is seen most in the blues and classic rock scene because players in the 60's and 70's had to crank non-master volume amps to get distortion. They didn't have pedals or channels, so they used their guitar's volume knob. With a responsive amp this will simply clean up the signal at unity volume. If you can crank up a tube amp this is a great choice and is a lot of fun to use
kleydj13 1 month ago
@fishmank27 - It isn't better or worse than using pedals, just different. I'd say try both out and use which one works best for you. If you try using the volume knob on the guitar and your tone gets dull and loses sparkle then try adding this treble bleed. It can make a big difference.
kleydj13 1 month ago
i dont need this. i always have my guitar on 11.
astroboirap 2 months ago
@astroboirap - Whatever works best for you. Channel switching amps have their place.
kleydj13 2 months ago
Can somebody please tell me what a volume/treble bleed really is and what it does
im really confused aha =] thanks
ShutOutStar 4 months ago
@ShutOutStar - Sure man, it helps when you turn your guitar volume down to keep the tone balanced. Normally you lose more treble than bass resulting in a muffled sound when you turn down. The Treble bleed allows some treble frequencies to 'bleed' back into the signal keeping the tone balanced when you lower the volume.
It is really useful if you play a single channel amp and use your guitar's volume knob to control dirty/clean. If you always leave the knob on 10 then it won't matter.
kleydj13 4 months ago
@kleydj13 OH great aha guess i'll love my new guitar then =] thanks bunch !
ShutOutStar 4 months ago
what wood is your guitar made of? I'm interested to have one customized looking exactly like that, with your permission of course! :)
ermonski 7 months ago
@ermonski - It is Alder from Warmoth. Excellent quality, sounds awesome.
kleydj13 7 months ago
does it affect the guitar "tone" at all? maybe you can tell if you increase the amp volume to level up the volume after you roll down the guitar vol.
I mean does it sound "thinner" when you roll down the volume ?
fabianromano 10 months ago
@fabianromano - In my experience it can vary from guitar to guitar, which is why you see a lot of variation in the values used for cap and resistor. I started with a cap and no resistor - and that became very bright/thin as I rolled the volume back. I toyed with the resistor value in parallel and that helped smooth things out and keep it very constant throughout the volume taper.
With the right values I find the treble bleed mod to be the best way to get constant tone at all volumes.
kleydj13 10 months ago
@kleydj13
Great thanks for the reply !
fabianromano 10 months ago
does it affect the guitar "tone" at all? maybe you can tell if you increase the amp volume to level up the volume after you roll down the guitar vol
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nadeshainoli 10 months ago
@SimanGtr75 - Ebay search for 'treble bleed kit' and you should get some good results as well.
kleydj13 11 months ago
@SimanGtr75 - Nice! That's the setup I mainly use and I love it.
kleydj13 11 months ago
@SimanGtr75 - You can get resistors and caps at Radio Shack. There are also a number of online folks too - Mouser, Smallbear Electronic
kleydj13 11 months ago
what cap value did you use? On my Ibanez RGR321EX, I lose some low end, but the treble is present. How'd you maintain such nice low end?
ermonski 11 months ago
@ermonski - I believe it was a .001 uf cap with a 150k resistor in series. The resistor helped smooth things out quite a bit. With the cap alone I also lost some bass.
kleydj13 11 months ago
@kleydj13 may I know how the resistor smoothens things out and retains the bass and mids? I really want the warm and clear cleans to be heard as if the distortion is not engaged. thanks!
ermonski 11 months ago
@ermonski - The capacitor allows some of the treble to pass over the volume pot without anything keeping it in check, which is why turning down the volume knob can produce a very thin trebley sound. Putting a resistor alongside that capacitor helps to keep the treble flow in check to better match the taper of the pot.
Check out the link I put in the description for more information on how to set it up. I actually think I used Seymour Duncan's method with a 100k resistor in parallel.
kleydj13 11 months ago
@kleydj13 - It may be necessary to experiment with different values of both capacitor and resistor to best match the circuit to your guitar and pickups. It really helps in the end though to allow you to use your volume knob to reach its full potential, I use mine constantly now when I play.
kleydj13 11 months ago
@kleydj13 yes I know how the capacitor works.. I'm just worried about the loss of low end. thank you for the input bro! helps a lot
ermonski 11 months ago
@kleydj13 thanks! so what the resistor does is keep the low end filtered also? nice!
btw I like your guitar, sounds real nice!
ermonski 11 months ago
@SimanGtr75 - Usually when you roll back the volume knob it cuts treble faster than it cuts bass along with the volume. The point of the treble bleed is to 'bleed' treble back into the circuit as you roll down the tone knob to make the EQ similar regardless of where the volume knob is at.
kleydj13 11 months ago
nice tone. Is that an american strat? I'm not aware that Fender makes stratocasters with rear routing and two control knobs.
zer0dahero 1 year ago
@zer0dahero - Thanks, it's actually a warmoth/allparts homebrew. I really love Allparts necks and the warmoth body is really nice as well. You can't get a Fender with these specs.
kleydj13 1 year ago
youre awesome
clutchnades 1 year ago