Easier and cleaner version of the ghetto tubeless tire(Part 2 of 2)

[Surfmus]

I tried on my Mavic 717 non ust with a Kenda Nevegal, 26 x 2.1 UST Tubeless and didn't work. I may re-try it with a great compressor but I'm already buying UST rims. Thanks a lot for the video. Check my REBA REBUILD video for fork rebuilding.

[Surfmus]

@Surfmus me again, I used my UST tires for two days with tubes and then decided to try this again, this time with a new compressor and worked fine. It was a pain in the ... because the compressor did not bring a good valve adapter for the presta but I removed the whole fitter adapter and compressed it with my presta to schader valve. Setting the bead on my Nevegal was a hassle. Thanks for the video.

[OutspokinBicycles]

have you tired pulling the tape off after? does the sticky stuff stick to the rim>

[jimcarrie02]

@OutspokinBicycles yes, the tape does leave a sticky residue. Luckly you shouldn't have to replace the tape too often. I've only had to replace the tape on my rims once in the last 4 years. But if you do have to replace the tape, you can use a cleaner or just your fingers to rub off the the residue.

[dbw16d]

i just cant get the tire to inflate the beed of the tire just will not seal any help???

[jimcarrie02]

@dbw16d You should check out my video on how to mount a tubeless tire. You can find the video on my channel "jimcarrie02". This is very helpful for mounting the tire onto the rim. All you need is a tire lever and some air. Usually this method works every time on the first time. The soapy water method can be tricky sometimes.

[dbw16d]

i only noted now that it is like black and white...

[bblack199]

ok this might be weird but me and my friends have bike derbys with old bikes. would this work? or what im trying to say is will the pop if you hit some one??? if it would do you have any ideas one how to make it so it wont pop?

thanks

[jimcarrie02]

@bblack199 Sorry for the delayed response but I've been in Military Training for the last couple months. If you use the right type of rims, the tire shouldn't pop off the bead. If you are using generic rims, it is likely they don't have a bead shelf for the tire to bead to. Without that bead shelf, the tire will be more likely to pop. Hopefully this answered your question and thanks for watching my video.

[RedPoisonDartFrog]

Works great. I am running WTB Weirwolf tires on Laserdisc Trail 29 wheels. One point that I think needs to be stressed more is pulling the sidewalks to set the bead as much as possible before going to the compressor to air it up the first time.

[streetpirkkala]

can you use a normal bike tire like kenda sb8 that is not meaned to tubeless???

[jimcarrie02]

@streetpirkkala Some people that have watched my video have reported that they were able to use a standard (non-UST) tire. It would also depend on whether your rims have a shelf that will hold the beed of the tire. Good luck, I hope it works for you.

[rcozas]

Really like the idea!

For one thing, please post a link to the sealant and/or its alternatives.

Also - is it possible to use a standard tire, not a tubeless one in such setup?

[jimcarrie02]

@rcozas You can type in "Stan's sealant" on ebay and there are lots of people selling the stuff. There are some other brands out there but I haven't tried them to have an opinion about them. I've had people comment that they've used standard tires, but I wouldn't on my bike. I wouldn't trust the flimsy sidewalls if I hit a rock hard. Thanks for your comment.

[WhiteGravey]

noway will this work in the real world... i remember using ducttape as a replacement for wheel liner -_- ended up walking 5 miles home. the ductape cant take the psi and will give out after a few miles.

[jimcarrie02]

@WhiteGravey It works. I've converted mine as you can see in the video, and I haven't had to replace the tape yet. And it's been over a year now. There is a big difference between the gorrilla duct tape and normal duct tape. Try it, I bet you'd be suprised. As far as the psi, I've ran this wheelset setup with 60 pounds of pressure and I ride the trail pretty hard. I've never had a blowout or leakage.

[konarider76]

im goin this route when i go tubeless... thanks for posting!

sure appreciate the time and effort.

[jimcarrie02]

Thanks for the comment, I'm sure your input on the non-UST tire topic will answer a lot of peoples question.

[stumpy25lbs]

Great video. I've only used BMX tubes before but I'm going to try the duct tape. I have used Kenda Nevegal non-UST and they just take more Stans and more jiggling to fill all the microscopic holes.

BTW you used a heck of a lot of Stans - I only use half that.

Also, a floor pump works fine with some tyres, like Nobby Nics. I don't have a compressor. If the floor pump doesn't work I use a CO2 cannister - very easy.

[Smackaliley]

It works. I just did it like the video with a non-UST Alexrims D19 29er and a Continental Mountain King tire. Worked perfect. Tested it on 8 miles of rooty, rocky trail, at a quick pace and lost no air pressure to speak of. After the ride, I could see a few pIaces where the Stan's burped out, but didn't even notice it while I rode. For me, I think it helped to go back and trim the gorilla tape and not let it go up above the bead shelf onto the side of the rim. thanks for the video

[jonzurc]

I like your video. I got my tire converted to be a tubeless on our Local Bike shop. But after seeing your video I think I can do my wife's tires. Coz my main problem is the rim tape, now I see you use a duct tape. Many thanks.

[EcuadorAventura2010]

Thanks for the video. I did it with a floor pump and it works

[jimcarrie02]

@EcuadorAventura2010 Thank you for your comment. I was researching ways to air up tires with floor pumps on youtube and there is a video. The person used tire levers to pull the bead of the tire up onto the bead shelf by sliding the lever around the rim with the lever under the bead of the tire. He slid the lever around the rim as far as he could until the resistance was too strong for the lever to move any further. He did it on both sides and proceeded to fill the tire with the floor pump.

[motroco87]

ok, thank you again for your fast answer and the tips ;)

I'll try your way this afternoon or tomorrow.with regular tyres and i tell you how it worked :D

[motroco87]

hi dude

thanks for your video.

i had never seen you could to the tubeless just with an old valve and power tape. people usually do it with cutting a small tube (20''). I'll try to do it on your way, i think you can save much more weight, but... is this reliable? is as good as using a tube as "end of rim"?.

Thank you, and sorry for my english xD trying to do my best :P

[jimcarrie02]

I'm glad you enjoyed the video, I think this is a safer way than the tube type tubless route. There is a kit you can buy that uses tape just like I do, only my way is cheaper. This route is very reliable, I haven't had a problem with my conversion yet. And btw, you don't need a strip of tape over the valve stem, I found that is an unneeded step.

[Kanzleramt]

@motroco87

No i have try this and it wont work so u have to do it with a tube 20" i can get it to work because i get no air in the tire

[Lenser]

Best Ghetto Tubeless video on the web.

A few questions:

1) Can I run regular tires (Kenda Nevegals) or do they have to be UST specific?

2) I don't have an air compressor, can I get by using just a floor pump?

[jimcarrie02]

I've heard that non-UST tires will work, the main difference is the sidewall thickness. I really doubt a floor pump will work. It might cause more headache than it's worth. The main trouble about airing the tire is getting that bead to set. I actually just had to replace a tire on my rim today and had troubles setting the bead with an air compressor. You can try it, but it will be very challenging with a floor pump.

[EvendimataE]

will this make the tire flat proof forever?

[jimcarrie02]

It will make the tire flat resistant, and it won't last forever. I noticed the sealant that I use dries out after about 6 months. After that time a puncture will not seal on it's own, you will need to reapply more sealant. It is always good to carry a spare tube just incase.

[madmagrider]

I tried this method last night on my Mavic Crossride Disc rims and standard Panaracer Fire XC Pro tires and the front tire held pressure over night laying flat on a garbage can. The rear lost pressure through the sidewall, but I'm confident it will hold after I flip it and reinflate. Thanks for posting these two videos!

[specializedbighitfsr]

Thanks so much for this video :) Im running non-tubeless Sun S-Type rims and Maxxis Minion DHF tires (26x2.5) and had amazing results. The only thing I did a bit differently is that on the piece of gorilla tape that covers the valve stem, I cut a bigger hole as opposed to just poking it (I could not get enough air flow into the tire to set the bead). Other than that, it works awesome. No leaks at all, even the first time. Just kept shaking that tire like a madman :) Thanks again!!! :)

[specializedbighitfsr]

also, I got tired of shaking and spinning the tire while the sealant found all (if any) holes, so I rigged up the tire in my truing stand and placed it in front of a fan :) So that the tire would gently spin while stan's did its magic (without me doing any work of course :) haha.

[headholio]

Question: Is the bead of the tire supposed to seat directly on the metal rim, or on the tape?  Do you have to be careful to not run your tape so high it interferes with the bead seat, or do want it to be part of the bead seat. Or, just don't worry about it if the tape runs high in some spots and not others?

[jimcarrie02]

You want to try and keep the strip of tape away from where the tire seats against the rim. You want the tire seating against just metal, no tape inbetween . I'm sure it would be fine if the tape ran high in some spots. But when I did mine, I used a razor blade to fine trim the tape once it was on the rim. Just be careful using a razor blade, not to scrape your rims. Good luck, and thank you for your comment.

[willbones81]

I tried this, but could not get the tyre to inflate. I used a high pressure compressor, but the tyre would not inflate. The air came out as fast as it was going in.

[jimcarrie02]

I should post a video on just popping the bead. Here is how I do it. Make sure the tire is on the rim, ready for inflation. Get a little soapy water, liberally soak the outside walls of the tire. lay the tire on it's side and try and inflate it. Press the tire towards the rim in spots that you see a lot of bubbles from the soapy water. I've noticed sometimes the tire will pop onto the bead quick and easy, and other times it will be a pill. So keep trying.

[RobKing]

Why do you take the original rim strip off?

[jimcarrie02]

You need to take the original rim strip off so that the tape can seal the holes on the rim. If you leave the rim strip, the tape would only stick to the strip, not the metal of the rim. You can try leaving in the ribbon, but I don't think the seal will last as long.

[yo150]

Thanks a lot. I converted mine and works great.

One advantage at least for me in this method over the linga115 one is that where I am they only sell 20" tubes with Schrader valves and my rims are only for Presta, so you saved me from drilling my rims. Thanks. by the way I didnt put tape over the valve and been riding for about a month with no leaks so far.

[jimcarrie02]

Thanks, I'm glad they worked for you. I no longer put tape over my valves either. I think it's an unnessesary step. Thanks for watching.

[vamperise]

very well done i converted mine using standerd tubless methods (bontrager wheels make it easy)

but will be using your way for my gf's bike do u know if it can be done with electric tape ?

[jimcarrie02]

Thank you for the kind words. I don't think electrical tape will work because it isn't sticky enough. The gorilla tape is extra sticky and extra durable so you can wrap the tire tighter. Electrical tape would stretch and it loses it's stickiness when it gets wet. Feel free to try it and reply with the results, but I doubt it'll hold up in the long run.

[justduitman]

Thank you Jim, you saved me a $100 by not having to buy two tubeless kits. This is the best tutorial on the net!

obtw, the only way it works is with the tape over valve. tried to forego it over the stem and too much air leak.

[jimcarrie02]

I didn't realize, thanks for the input. I hope it works well for you. Thanks for the compliment too, I appreciate it.

[jenschrp]

Thanks Jim, Really a good demo.

Tried it and it works perfect...

Even with a not tubeless tire..

Great feeling when riding

[jimcarrie02]

I know.....I realized that, after I made the video.  You are right. It works both ways, but I think without the tape over the valve stem does seal better. Thank you for the comment, I appreciate your input.

[dsb1829]

Why tape over the valve stem? It is an unnecessary step. Could also keep sealant from getting to it in the event you had a leak there. I suppose it secures the valve in the event that the nut ever came loose.

Thanks for taking the time to post up the videos. They are nice to see just how you did it. I have used Stan's and Mavic rims in the past. Tonight I used gorilla tape, a used valve stem, and some stan's sealant to seal up a WTB speeddisc XL rim. No problems.

[kenjhi3]

if i don't want to convert my wheels to tubeless but i want to buy a kenda tubeless tires, is it possible to use tubes?

[jimcarrie02]

I'm sure that's fine. Tubeless tires are heavier though. The reason UST tires are heavier, is because the walls are thicker to support a person's weight without a tube. But if you want to run tubes, just think of it as added protection.

[jimcarrie02]

Sure, the only thing different about tubeless tires is that they are more durable than a regular MTB tire. You'll notice the biggest difference is the sidewalls, stiffer on a UST tire than a normal MTB tire.

[piemonster32]

this must be a pain if you try and de-lace the rim lol

[jimcarrie02]

Actually it isn't. Peel off the tape, and presto, begin "de-lacing".

[piemonster32]

pretty messy tho

[jimcarrie02]

If you get a puncture in a tubed type tire, it will take you at least 10-15 minutes to fix. I accidentally punctured my tubeless tire on the trail and was able to fix it in about 30 seconds. As soon as I heard the hissing, I stopped, found where the puncture was, rotated the tire so the hole was at the bottom of the wheel. I shook the tire and the tire sealant immediately sealed the hole. Not only does it fix flats easier, you are also able to run a lower air pressure than you can with a tube.

[zedzedzebedeedoo]

why do i want a tubeless tyre?

[nog1964]

Less rotational weight for one.You can also run the tyre at a lower pressure without the fear of pinch flats,which then also gives you more grip and a more comfy ride.

[zedzedzebedeedoo]

Nice reply. ta.

[mort554]

You totally skipped the hard part which is airing up the tire for the first time. I can't get my dang tire to seat and take air.

[jimcarrie02]

Try applying some soapy water to both sides of the tire. This will help seal the air and help the tire bead.