Wow seriously? If you are going to get lucky at least have some class fucking idiot. Don't celebrate like u hit the fucking lottery. Eastgate didn't celebrate when he sucked out on chino rheem. Plus, I believe a 4-bet would have had the same effect as an all-in push. If they are so deep on stacks why push it? Anyways, what a dumbfuck.
this is not as bad of a play as what everyone is making it out to be. personally i wouldn't have tried to represent AA or KK while having 22. calling the re-raise for that price i could understand. no 2 on the flop = moderately easy fold!
hmmmm !!! we can judge them both on their play and probably all say that 22 all in shove by Cada is terrible move…sure is... however I am more judging the play by Saout. Re-raising just 2.5 times you can expect either just a call or shove in 3 handed action. He should have shove all in and pick the pot in pre flop action- Cada would not be able to call all in with 22 but surely can shove with 22- 3 handed. and once again ….You can't beat luck in poker.
a lot of ppl say this is standard. i dont think so. cada donk re-raise 33 million more to get 5 million of saout's money. i can't care what planet ur in.. that is a terrible play and obviously donk play gets rewarded. cada. luckiest main event champ ever
it was cada's time to win,cada's tournament.to win the wsop you definetely need a lot of luck.and he deserved it.he was the first among 6.494 players.so,it isn't just luck...
40+ big blind shove with 22 facing a 3 bet from the BB, i dont think it's that standard. Why not 4 bet fold or maybe even flat... going allin is easily the worst of his options
@KenMcGormick are you seriously telling me you never 3bet with KQ or worse three-handed? Woah dude, it sounds like you really need to open up your 3betting range. Top players today will 3bet with a waaaay wider range than that in the right circumstances.
Any raise commits Cada to the pot. If he 4bets to like 12million then folds, it's ridiculously spewy. It's not as cut and dry as risking 39million to get 5million either. If he gets called by AK/AQ, he's a slight favourite to double up.
It's very easy for you to all say how bad this shove was by Cada. I agree with prestoneable. This is three-handed on the final table. Saout might be tight but no good player has a range as narrow as pairs and AJ+ to three-bet pre here. If anything Cada was unlucky to run into the top of Saout's range. Folding 22 there would be ridiculous and shoving it was fine as he had a ton of fold equity. If Saout had KQ (which he could just have easily as done) you'd all be saying what a good move it was.
@Tembath29 and risking 39 million to get 5 million is just a great play. no one is going to 3 bet with KQ. and if cada was repping aces or kings or jacks or wutever... by doing a huge over bet just looks like a bluff. he clearly just lost his cool at this final table but got lucky.Cada is the worst player i dont care what ppl says. u would never see any of the top pro make this play. never... just think if ivey would ever do this.. not in a million year. that is bad poker and 100% suck out.
If you don't understand an all all-in push with a pocket pair 3 handed then you really don't have any poker tournament comprehension. NOT a bad play by Cada at all. Yeah, he was up against a monster hand and got lucky hitting the set, BUT Saout could just as easily had AJ-AK here.
@mrprestoneable Regardless of what Saout had, Cada knew his best case scenario was a 50/50 shot to double up.. would you take a coin flip to risk getting knocked out of the tournament ? With so much money on the line it would of been smarter to pass on the coin flip and put yourself in a situation where you have a better statistical advantage to win a pot. Let alone not get knocked out of the tournament.
Pushing all-in in reraise with 2-2 is one of the dumbest moves I've ever seen. Saout is a tight player, he would not do that with a hand that he would fold after an all-in...
Saout was the best player left at the table at this point by a country mile. Absolutely horrible shove by Cadonk. He did this another time with 3's and flopped a set too! Tied for the luckiest donk to win a WSOP Main Event along with Jaime Gold.
That' s Poker... A better idea was to call, then see what happens ...would cada have checked? It's done and dusted! Saout played the hand correctly? Cada just was lucky
It obviously depends on the dynamic of the table a lot this only looks so bad because 2s have some value as a hand and he turns them into a bluff if he did this with like 98s it would be more obvious that it was a bluff that went wrong
Joe Cada is one of the worst player's ever... stupid lucky idiot got lucky the whole way and making the worst calls and raises and just gets lucky.. he doesnt deserve it at all.. Moon or Ivey deserved it...
@Kingrafteras hahahah did you even watch the whole final table? Cada made every horrible decision imaginable but yet he got saved time and time again by a stone cold 2 outers. Cada just got plain lucky...VERY LUCKY
simple: get AA against the biggest donk ever at the final table, suck out with 33 against pocket J and suck out with 22 against QQ ohhh i forgot also hit AK against 88... fucking biggest luck box ever at the final table.
@kokai5 you are one dumb mother sucka. apparently for someone to be a worthy poker champion they must never suck out. tell that to doyle brunson or phil ivey, because they've obviously never sucked out on someone.. oh wait... they've most likely had just as huge of suck outs in every bracelet-winning tournament they've ever played in.
This hand would have gone the same way regardless. Saout reraises, Cada smooth calls, and all the chips go in on the flop. So what's the big deal? It's poker. Sets take down big pairs every day.
it is a massive donk re raise all in but even if he flat calls saouts raise, all the chips are going in on the flop with saout with a masive over pair and cada with the set
lucky idiot, the reraise from saout is for fold instantly or maybe call but all in is just play lotto, and if was a bluff, don't need go all in for bluff i hate this kind a players
textbook definition of why there's so much money to be made in hold'em, the game's just heaving with 20-something year-old idiots who never respect their opponents' bets, and assume that putting the pressure on every hand is the road to success... i'm of this age bracket, but fortunately i don't have a retardedly over-sized ego and am capable of folding a pair of deuces
@adam75south Finally, somebody with a brain here. People are siding with Cada as if his move was +EV while explaining in circles about fold equity. NOBODY is folding their reraise when they have double your stack. Their calling range is very wide due to their chipstack sizes. With 22, you're coin-flipping at best, and most of the time, you're dominated. I wouldn't even be surprised if Saout called with 55 since he can put Cada on two overs and take the flip to win two million dollars more.
it was lucky, but thats poker, and if you are on final table you are good enough to be champion... if the best player win the tournament, that every tournament will win ivey
Imo, we can't really say that Cada was just a luckbox. Let's imagine that he just calls Saout's raise. The flop is 7 2 9. Cada bet or check raise, and it ends that Saout with QQ's will go all in in every cases.
Imo, we can't really say that Cada was just a luckbox. Let's imagine that he just calls Saout's raise. The flop is 7 2 9. Cada bet or check raise, and it ends that Saout with QQ's will go all in in every cases.
To conclude this, this was a retarded shove that got rewarded through pure luck. Nothing else. Calling or Folding were better options than shoving. He even had good enough implied odds to flop a set. This comes to prove that Cada has no post-flop skills. Just bingo, bingo, bingo. Pure fucking idiot who should've gotten fucked and eliminated. Can't believe peopel are siding with Cada as if his moves are +EV play. LMAO. result-oriented fuckfaces.
LMAO at people siding with Cada as if this is a +EV shove. If it's half my stack to knock your punk ass out and get few million dollars more and go heads-up, I'm calling with any pocket pairs, any broadway hands, and possibly mediocre suited connectors. Shove is the worst thing he could've done here. Even call was much better. Can even flop a set, develop post-flop strategy to outplay Saout
Yesterday i play a tournament, only two more elimination for paying sits, and in the same situation, QQ (me) vs 22, the flop show A 2 6, really sick, and i felt for one moment the saout felling...
darwin could have tooken the whole thing there if he was donkey enough to call the flop with his 10 8 ,he would have had a str8,no one knew he would have gotten it,still good fold by moon
i dont care how good cada is...that was horrendous 4bet. saiout did a very small 3bet which basically announced he had big pair or AQ, AK. also cada risked over 30bb to win 10bb pot. he had enough to flat call 3bet and flop the set and stack saoiut for sure
You're gonna set mine with a 40bb stack facing a 3bet? You really cant soul read preflop betsizing - ridiculous to learn know about that unless you know something specific about Saout. Saout's 3betting range has to be HUGE here. Cada has ridiculous fold equity, this is definitely the optimal play, just looks bad cuz the other guy has QQ. Getting a pair in with 40bb 3 handed = standard. His only other option is to fold, and if hes folding pairs to any 3 bet then hes not gonna last long.
@Chesster696 No shit, you mean saout cant have pocket zeros. but that completely ignores fold equity. unless we know saout's 3 betting range and calling 4bet range (which unfortunately we cannot get from the couple hands they show) we cant answer this question, which is essentially a math problem.
@SurvivingTheHorizon he had 33.5 million behind. He has tons of fold equity. But Saout is more than likely not folding anything hes 3betting and Cada was a moron here and against shulman with his 3's. and no matter what his 3bet range is 22 does not do well against it. like i said, 50/50 at best!! its a terrible shove and he got terribly lucky.
if his 3betting range is wide, and could quite conceivably be any 2 cards.. why is he most likely calling with anything - will he call with K3suited , A2, or QJ? all which are as likely as AK or QQ. this is 3handed blind v blind. standard to 4bet shove any pair with 40bb im almost positive its +$ev. saout was very very aggressive from all accounts. at very least it is close, it is definitely not terrible as you say. but cada played to win, not to get blinded out, most of us would have folded.
@Chesster6969 honestly i think cada's worst play is the one that no one talks about which is calling schulmann's all in with AJ... Schulman was folding AK and 99 to reraises at the FT. Which in the end is why Cada shoved 33 despite schulmann being a 1st position raiser and being tight as balls.
@squallloky 90%? LMAO, you gotta be kidding me. Just remember this. CADA is the one at risk of getting eliminated. Saout is NOT. Cada is calling with any pocket pair, any premium broadway hands, such as AK, AQ, AJ, AT, KQ. Saout's calling range will be wider since he has Cada covered by two times the amount. All-in move = -EV. What are you expecting to get called by that you have him beat? pocket 1s? pocket 0s? You're coin-flipping at best and dominated majority of the time when called.
@EdDy4RheelZ Did you play a final table with Saout? You see 5% of all the hands played and think you can judge their play like that? Saout was overly aggressive throughout the tournament and history said that he could fold easily most of his 3bet range to a shove, that's it. I mean you saw the hand where he 4bet Ivey with 77 pre-flop?
@squallloky So wait, you just witnessed him 3-betting Phil Ivey with 77, but yet, you still recommend pushing all-in with deuces? You're either coin-flipping at best or dominated. Going all-in with deuces is plain stupidity. With the stack sizes they've got, there's no way Saout is folding his 3-bet since he has Cada covered twice the stack.Saout is calling with very wide range of hands. If the stack sizes were reversed and Cada had Saout covered, then standard play. But Cada is the one at risk.
@squallloky I'll repeat this once again. With the stack sizes that Cada and Saout got, Saout's calling range with his 3-bet range is very wide since he has Cada covered. Shoving with deuces is the worst move in this spot. Even calling was much better in this spot. He's even getting way good implied odds to flop a set. Call or Fold were two better options than shove. You're flipping if you're lucky, dominated most of the time when you're called. You're never ahead against 3-better's calling range
@squallloky This play wouldn't be bad as you said if stack sizes were reversed where Cada has Saout covered. But in this case, Cada was the one at risk and he wasn't short. Are you telling me you're willing to put up your tournament life on marginal odds where you're coin-flipping 1% ahead if you're lucky and 20% equity when you're dominated by a pocket pair? Bad play imo. But whatever. I'm not used to playing bingo, so maybe I'm missing something here. Maybe Cada felt his luck n saw a set comin
@EdDy4RheelZ It's so much easier to make such statements when you KNOW what they are holding. All you see is 5% of total hands played during the final table and you think you can make a correct judgement but my point is still the same: you got no history with either one of them and the only thing we know for sure is that Saout was by far the most aggressive player at the table. He was 3betting a lot so most of his range was folding to a 4bet, Cada just misread the situation.
@EdDy4RheelZ But even if it has been TT, the result was the same: he was a 20% dog. Can you see my point? All Cada had was fold equity by shoving and he wanted to use it against an aggressive player that has a HUGE 3bet range. This time he had a hand. Most of the time he could have anything from 22+ to TJ+
@squallloky wtf? "result was the same" nice way to be result-oriented. If the guy had Tens, I wouldn't blame Cada because only hands that has him dominated were 4 pocket pairs and Tens are actually good hand in 3-handed table. In your logic, I guess going all-in with KK pre-flop is same as going all-in with 22 pre-flop since they're both 4-1 underdog against pocket Aces.
@EdDy4RheelZ You're never favorite when you get called holding TT pre-flop in this type of deep stack situation (unless it's by a retard). I'm just saying you're thinking as an ABC poker player. Going all in with 22 is not the move of the year but you forget to use information such as history with the player, his aggression factor and the possible range of his 3bet he would fold to a 4bet. Those infos, plus the fact that he was covered by Saout giving Cada much more strenght than he could have.
@EdDy4RheelZ All that gives so much strength than he has to have great fold equity in this spot against most of Saout's range, which he had. NLHE is a game of incomplete information, and it's your hability to fill the blanks that make you good or bad. If he was wrong and still got lucky, it's good for him. The play by itself isn't bad if you see beyond the f'kin' cards.
@squallloky Do yourself a favor, download Pokerstove, input Saout's 3-bet range, and then calculate it with deuces and then with Tens. You'll see the difference between Tens and deuces. Cada had very little fold equity, since Saout had him covered. Saout's calling range with his 3-bet is very wide. Now, if Cada had Saout covered and went all-in with deuces, Saout's calling range is narrowed, therefore having better fold equity. But since Saout had Cada covered, fold equity is very small. -EV
@squallloky What makes you think I'm only seeing the cards. I'm ignoring Saout's holding of QQ while focusing on decision that Cada made with deuces against aggro-3-betting Saout. Shove only has very little fold equity since Saout's calling range with his 3-bet hands is very wide and he'll call with any 3-bet range in an attempt to knock Cada out. Even if Saout rolled over AK, shoving with deuces = -EV. Call and Fold options were much better than shove. He even had good implied odds to flop set
@EdDy4RheelZ You obviously don't get my point. You're just still thinking with maths, I'm trying to explain to you psychology between the play. And for Saout's 3-bet range, it is from what it was known 55+, A8, KTs+ and some random nothings. Shoving would have made him fold almost everything but QQ+, sometimes JJ and AK, which was a thin portion of his 3-bet range.It was only a matter of what portion of his range he would fold for 35M more (half his stack). The answer is: A LOT.
@squallloky What makes you think shoving will make Saout fold everything besides QQ+? Saout will call with wide range of hands. He will call with any pocket pairs from 7s and up if he puts Cada on AK while calling with any broadway hands if he puts on Cada on small pocket pairs.
Your result-oriented view was, shoving with Tens is same as shoving with deuces just because Saout had Queens. If Cada shoved with Tens, then people wouldn't berate him as much bcz Tens in 3-handed is a very good hand.
@squallloky You are NEVER ahead of anyone's any range with pocket deuces while you are ahead of many ranges in 3-handed game with pocket Tens. Even if someone has 3-betting or calling range of 76% or higher, you are NEVER ahead with deuces. With the stack sizes they've got, Saout's calling range is lot wider. What makes you think he'll only call with QQ+? If Cada had Saout covered, then you got a point. But that wasn't the case.
@squallloky Jerry Yang's all-in with J8 against Lee Child's KJ was a better move than Cada's all-in with deuces. Want to know why? Jerry at least had a big stack size to control the table and narrow people's calling ranges while having big fold equity since they do not want to risk busting out before other players. But Cada puts up his whole tournament life with deuces. Saout will be calling with wide range of hands. I wouldn't even be surprised if Saout called with pocket 5s.
@EdDy4RheelZ You're still missing the point. From the beginning, i'm just telling you that Cada's intention was to make him fold because he read him as weak. I'm agreeing that he could have done it with a better hand, but the logic behind the play is still decent. I also agree he should have lost the hand and Saout should have won the ME. But shoving regardless of your cards in situations where you think you can make the other person fold is not a bad play, it's real poker.
@squallloky Missing the point? All you've been doing was explaining in circles about fold equity. Yes, ATC have fold equity when they shove. But that doesn't justify people's moves to be a good play. If I 4-bet all-in against 5 players with 72o deepstacked, I guess that must not be a bad play since I have fold equity. I'm beyond your point. I'm talking whether this was a good spot to pick fold equity with deuces. Answer is no. Saout is calling with wide range of hands due to their stacksizes.
@squallloky When Darvin Moon went all-in with AQo against Begleiter's QQ, wasn't a best play but I still didn't berate him. Want to know why? Darvin had a monstrous chipstack in the table to bully people, and had lot of room for error while Begleiter had Shulman and Cada who were smaller stacks than him. So Begleiter has to fold many range of hands. He can only call with QQ+, therefore, making Moon have big fold equity while having decent showdown equity with AQo. except QQ+,AK, he's fav or flip
@squallloky For someone who have a hard time understanding how retarded and stupid it is to shove with 22 and seek fold equity while being the one at risk from being short-stacked, I wont' continue any further discussing this hand with you. Waste of my time as well. I've given you valid reasons why Cada is a fucking retard and made a dumb play with deuces. It has nothing to do with Saout's QQ. Based on their stack sizes, Cada is a fucking idiot who should've gotten fucked and eliminated.
@EdDy4RheelZ Hey guess what, I just did a tournament live this week end and I 4bet 22 all in 2 times when 3 handed, guess it's working when you read others correctly.
@squallloky Hey donk. Wanna learn the real definition of fold equity? Search up Joseph Cheong 6-betting all-in with A7o against Duhamel's QQ. Stupid play? Yes but maybe. At least he had a fucking reason why. He realized that Duhamel cannot afford to call with anything other than QQ since Racener is short-stacked, unlike fucktarded Cada who thinks he has fold equity against a player who has him covered twice. Why would anyone fold their reraise to a short-stacked player? Learn to play Poker.
@squallloky What the fuck is a 10NL? Sorry kid but I don't play online. Seems like it's a stake that you've been around in(possibly still in). Joseph Cheong all-ining with A7o > Fucktarded Cada going all-in with deuces.
Cheong actually had fold equity. Everyone knows what "right ABC poker" play is. But Joseph actually had fold equity and made a move against Duhaml thnx to Racener being short-stacked. Did Cada have that fold equity? NO. You're a fucking donk and a retard for not realizing this.
But Poker's a game of SKILL!
Businessmanthess 1 week ago
DONK DONK DONK
AntoineKill3r 2 weeks ago
Let's be real here: Joe Cada blows but Jamie Gold is 100 times worse.
Pruane2ishot 2 weeks ago
Moon thru away a straight, open ended on flop and hit it on the river. . . could have knocked them both out lol
GamerMealTime 2 weeks ago
Mr. Joe Cada, that's not poker...
oaoJ69Joao 3 weeks ago
wat a donk this saout guy lol he called and he lost
donk donk
kookoon 3 weeks ago
@kookoon
fail troll is fail
PietrAku360 1 week ago
Wow seriously? If you are going to get lucky at least have some class fucking idiot. Don't celebrate like u hit the fucking lottery. Eastgate didn't celebrate when he sucked out on chino rheem. Plus, I believe a 4-bet would have had the same effect as an all-in push. If they are so deep on stacks why push it? Anyways, what a dumbfuck.
moctezuma2008 3 weeks ago
If Cada didn't shove it was all going in on the flop anyway.
KevinF780 1 month ago
In hinesight, it would have been awesome if Moon called with his T8o
TheJRL89 1 month ago
this is not as bad of a play as what everyone is making it out to be. personally i wouldn't have tried to represent AA or KK while having 22. calling the re-raise for that price i could understand. no 2 on the flop = moderately easy fold!
TheJRL89 1 month ago
quel boloss se cada im all in va te pendre
muloose 2 months ago
0.57 fishiest move i've ever seen ...
diazz56 2 months ago
I would PUKE
coreycunninghamkarl 2 months ago
cada = typical online player all said!
bladenight12 2 months ago
hmmmm !!! we can judge them both on their play and probably all say that 22 all in shove by Cada is terrible move…sure is... however I am more judging the play by Saout. Re-raising just 2.5 times you can expect either just a call or shove in 3 handed action. He should have shove all in and pick the pot in pre flop action- Cada would not be able to call all in with 22 but surely can shove with 22- 3 handed. and once again ….You can't beat luck in poker.
ROYALPOKERAU 2 months ago
@ROYALPOKERAU Saout wanted the shove. Played it perfect just got unlucky.
WilcoRice 2 months ago
moone would have had the straight
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champions20000009 3 months ago
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julesickdrums 3 months ago
a lot of ppl say this is standard. i dont think so. cada donk re-raise 33 million more to get 5 million of saout's money. i can't care what planet ur in.. that is a terrible play and obviously donk play gets rewarded. cada. luckiest main event champ ever
lyc16 3 months ago
Darvin folded 10-8 LOL
kikolovex3 3 months ago 2
what a stupid CALL
AntoineKill3r 3 months ago
3-handed, blind vs blind, 40BB smallest stack , great 4-bet re-bluff spot.
this is not crazy.
narucy56 4 months ago
it was cada's time to win,cada's tournament.to win the wsop you definetely need a lot of luck.and he deserved it.he was the first among 6.494 players.so,it isn't just luck...
paidithavma5 4 months ago
And no respect for Saout, look at the way he celebrates his donk lucky play when he hits 1 of his 2 outs
HashUurr 5 months ago
Play all his tournament on a pocket 2 AHAHAHA DONK you re just lucky to win and a bad player
HashUurr 5 months ago
JOE cada = DONK
HashUurr 5 months ago 18
@HashUurr How much money have you made from poker?
andymacceltic 4 months ago
Look how the cocksuckers celebrating..
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Masenforreal 5 months ago
Cada ---> What a fuckin donk !!! all in everytime someone raises him back ! damn !
ultraSerkan35 5 months ago
Geez, I don't agree with that all in from Cada, you know you've only got two outs to make trips in that kind of a situation, he got lucky.
culokristof 6 months ago
such a standard play... I don't understand why people are going crazy over this hand... yeah, we know he got lucky, so what?
fabio05cannavaro 6 months ago
@fabio05cannavaro
40+ big blind shove with 22 facing a 3 bet from the BB, i dont think it's that standard. Why not 4 bet fold or maybe even flat... going allin is easily the worst of his options
DizzyWalin91 5 months ago 2
lol moon folded a straight
ggnub100 6 months ago
everyone's a poker expert on youtube.
ggnub100 6 months ago
@KenMcGormick are you seriously telling me you never 3bet with KQ or worse three-handed? Woah dude, it sounds like you really need to open up your 3betting range. Top players today will 3bet with a waaaay wider range than that in the right circumstances.
Any raise commits Cada to the pot. If he 4bets to like 12million then folds, it's ridiculously spewy. It's not as cut and dry as risking 39million to get 5million either. If he gets called by AK/AQ, he's a slight favourite to double up.
Tembath29 6 months ago
I don't care if you are only 3, a pre-flop all in with 2 2 a fish moov, just the worst main event winner ever ...
23mgab 6 months ago
i think PHIL IVeyDESERVED 2 WIN
ikweetbeter 6 months ago
well if Darvin Moon had gone crazy too at this hand... it would end right there...
KenMcGormick 6 months ago
It's very easy for you to all say how bad this shove was by Cada. I agree with prestoneable. This is three-handed on the final table. Saout might be tight but no good player has a range as narrow as pairs and AJ+ to three-bet pre here. If anything Cada was unlucky to run into the top of Saout's range. Folding 22 there would be ridiculous and shoving it was fine as he had a ton of fold equity. If Saout had KQ (which he could just have easily as done) you'd all be saying what a good move it was.
Tembath29 6 months ago
@Tembath29 and risking 39 million to get 5 million is just a great play. no one is going to 3 bet with KQ. and if cada was repping aces or kings or jacks or wutever... by doing a huge over bet just looks like a bluff. he clearly just lost his cool at this final table but got lucky.Cada is the worst player i dont care what ppl says. u would never see any of the top pro make this play. never... just think if ivey would ever do this.. not in a million year. that is bad poker and 100% suck out.
lyc16 6 months ago
Anyone who would fold/not push ANY pocket pair here has no idea what they're doing. Or at least has never made it to a final table.
mrprestoneable 6 months ago
If you don't understand an all all-in push with a pocket pair 3 handed then you really don't have any poker tournament comprehension. NOT a bad play by Cada at all. Yeah, he was up against a monster hand and got lucky hitting the set, BUT Saout could just as easily had AJ-AK here.
mrprestoneable 6 months ago
@mrprestoneable Regardless of what Saout had, Cada knew his best case scenario was a 50/50 shot to double up.. would you take a coin flip to risk getting knocked out of the tournament ? With so much money on the line it would of been smarter to pass on the coin flip and put yourself in a situation where you have a better statistical advantage to win a pot. Let alone not get knocked out of the tournament.
Tfrench008 6 months ago
He really likes 22, he just shoves all in with twos I guess. I should start 4 betting all in with twos.
Graham6762 7 months ago
Darvin had a straight.
jjpyae 7 months ago
super standard
footcrew12 7 months ago
hey youtube specialists^^ call me if you win the main event without suckouts ;) good luck
oida21 7 months ago
luck for life
hardtimes200 7 months ago
cada is a donk
JedskoPoz 7 months ago
2 2 whar a donk move
desperados700 7 months ago
All you need in poker is luck
johnybrawos 7 months ago
All these people hooting and hollering is an insult to the game.
DevinDerga 7 months ago
Joe cada just had PURE LUCKs that's all :P
in Poiker you can't beat LUCK. Period!!!
2LonelyPlanet 8 months ago
Pushing all-in in reraise with 2-2 is one of the dumbest moves I've ever seen. Saout is a tight player, he would not do that with a hand that he would fold after an all-in...
Stupid play by Cada.
MrPasympa 8 months ago
@MrPasympa Stupid comment. Saout isn't a tight player
Kamelizabeth 7 months ago
Saout was the best player left at the table at this point by a country mile. Absolutely horrible shove by Cadonk. He did this another time with 3's and flopped a set too! Tied for the luckiest donk to win a WSOP Main Event along with Jaime Gold.
kisado 8 months ago
Hated CADA hitting... really disliked his play/luck. Saout 5 times the player he was.
mr2gti 8 months ago
That' s Poker... A better idea was to call, then see what happens ...would cada have checked? It's done and dusted! Saout played the hand correctly? Cada just was lucky
Whatever3114 8 months ago
nota good play by cada, just luck
AambeiXXL 8 months ago
it's my personal opinion, but i think that this match was loaded... Moon and Cada won everytime in flop and river. Saout deserved the win...
NateRiver87 8 months ago
It obviously depends on the dynamic of the table a lot this only looks so bad because 2s have some value as a hand and he turns them into a bluff if he did this with like 98s it would be more obvious that it was a bluff that went wrong
FreakyGirl3333 8 months ago
donk+luck = ALWAYS WIN!
bozthefox 8 months ago
Got 40(!!!!) big blinds left and risked his tournament life whit deuces!!!!!!!!!!
FakeAssKilla 8 months ago
Joe Cada is one of the worst player's ever... stupid lucky idiot got lucky the whole way and making the worst calls and raises and just gets lucky.. he doesnt deserve it at all.. Moon or Ivey deserved it...
psycomico 8 months ago
CADA IS THE WORST CHAPION OF ALL TIME ON WSOP MAIN EVENT
crcrulez 9 months ago 14
@crcrulez Everyone's a poker genius on youtube
TheInadequacy 1 month ago
@crcrulez Nah Jamie Gold was worse
itssimpleiwinyoulose 3 weeks ago
@crcrulez would u rather have had darvin moon as champ?
garciaj36 3 weeks ago
sickkkkkkkkkk
MorgzOfficial 9 months ago
It would have got to all-in anyway with that flop
lmorrisonful 9 months ago
it would have prob went in after the flop...
trenis 9 months ago
who goes all in with 2s, who does that
theman1819 9 months ago
i think cada played very well and thats why he won the wsop...
Kingrafteras 9 months ago
@Kingrafteras hahahah did you even watch the whole final table? Cada made every horrible decision imaginable but yet he got saved time and time again by a stone cold 2 outers. Cada just got plain lucky...VERY LUCKY
meelodmmm 9 months ago
moon folded strait :)
jirkakrtek 10 months ago
@jirkakrtek
bet he was secretly pissed.
lagundafire 9 months ago
How Joe Cada won the main event?
simple: get AA against the biggest donk ever at the final table, suck out with 33 against pocket J and suck out with 22 against QQ ohhh i forgot also hit AK against 88... fucking biggest luck box ever at the final table.
kokai5 11 months ago
@kokai5 i know.. and on david letterman he was talking about how poker is a skill game.. not when you have his luck it isnt
soonermagic24 10 months ago
@kokai5
jamie gold?
lagundafire 9 months ago
@kokai5 you are one dumb mother sucka. apparently for someone to be a worthy poker champion they must never suck out. tell that to doyle brunson or phil ivey, because they've obviously never sucked out on someone.. oh wait... they've most likely had just as huge of suck outs in every bracelet-winning tournament they've ever played in.
mrprestoneable 6 months ago
what a fuckin lucker
digitalTool 11 months ago
it's so disgusting
vince91820 11 months ago
This hand would have gone the same way regardless. Saout reraises, Cada smooth calls, and all the chips go in on the flop. So what's the big deal? It's poker. Sets take down big pairs every day.
RavishingBeyond 11 months ago 2
Saout deserved the main event
curuzu 11 months ago 88
@curuzu saout very likely also won a few coinflips to get to the point in the tournaement in the video
bajskorvaren 9 months ago
@curuzu He truly did.
JDLupus 3 months ago
Incredibly idiotic 4bet shove with deuces. He can call there with ease.
Mad props to the Frenchman for keeping his poise. Very classy.
MrGnomemeat 11 months ago
@MrGnomemeat
It's easy when you see the cards.
steauarak 10 months ago 10
it is a massive donk re raise all in but even if he flat calls saouts raise, all the chips are going in on the flop with saout with a masive over pair and cada with the set
benzy199 11 months ago
Everybody is a poker professional on youtube.
TheUnlimitedPower 1 year ago
fukin hate how railbirds cheer suckouts
andos8888 1 year ago
lucky idiot, the reraise from saout is for fold instantly or maybe call but all in is just play lotto, and if was a bluff, don't need go all in for bluff i hate this kind a players
lupomx 1 year ago
@lupomx yeah clearly shoving the 2's there is pure donkage unbelievably lucky
ThaOneAndOnly666 1 year ago
joe cada = fish.
HBRevive 1 year ago
textbook definition of why there's so much money to be made in hold'em, the game's just heaving with 20-something year-old idiots who never respect their opponents' bets, and assume that putting the pressure on every hand is the road to success... i'm of this age bracket, but fortunately i don't have a retardedly over-sized ego and am capable of folding a pair of deuces
Th3Z0ne 1 year ago
@Th3Z0ne
In the small blind 3 handed? It was a simple raise from the SB and re from the BB. Cada had plenty of fold equity in the spot, that's why he shoved.
steauarak 10 months ago
@Th3Z0ne I dont think it was a terrible raise in heads up, he might have put him on AK or something like that. Which would put him on a coin flip.
dalailama83 10 months ago
@dalailama83 i agree
soonermagic24 10 months ago
@dalailama83 it's an awful play because the best cada can possibly hope for is that he's even money
Th3Z0ne 10 months ago
Saout was better then Cada, but it's poker
Lakerman1990 1 year ago
Saout merecio ganar la WSOP 2009! Jugo muy bien la mesa final!
Le falto esa cuota de suerte que si tuvo Joe Cada!
a2g2u2 1 year ago
such a horrible all-in with pocket deuces..
22hijacker22 1 year ago
darvin moon fold preflop the NUTS of the flop who came:)
mirecccddd 1 year ago
I think all the chips woulda gone in the middle after flop if cada had just called. Bad play though by Cada
Justus81 1 year ago
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i think all the chips woulda gone in the middle after flop if cada had just called. Bad play though by Cada
Justus81 1 year ago
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Justus81 1 year ago
Why are these donks with their donk play allways lucky? Same on Pokerstars. They dont deserve it.
serratop 1 year ago
My man CADA
demuthsd 1 year ago
lot of result oriented donkey around
maelstromcossack 1 year ago
why would you expect any re-raise hand to fold to you when they have double your stack? easy call for saout. joe cada was a bad beat machine.
adam75south 1 year ago
@adam75south Finally, somebody with a brain here. People are siding with Cada as if his move was +EV while explaining in circles about fold equity. NOBODY is folding their reraise when they have double your stack. Their calling range is very wide due to their chipstack sizes. With 22, you're coin-flipping at best, and most of the time, you're dominated. I wouldn't even be surprised if Saout called with 55 since he can put Cada on two overs and take the flip to win two million dollars more.
EdDy4RheelZ 1 year ago
it was lucky, but thats poker, and if you are on final table you are good enough to be champion... if the best player win the tournament, that every tournament will win ivey
trinnn2 1 year ago
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Imo, we can't really say that Cada was just a luckbox. Let's imagine that he just calls Saout's raise. The flop is 7 2 9. Cada bet or check raise, and it ends that Saout with QQ's will go all in in every cases.
Seems that he would have lost that one anyhow.
magicolivier 1 year ago
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Imo, we can't really say that Cada was just a luckbox. Let's imagine that he just calls Saout's raise. The flop is 7 2 9. Cada bet or check raise, and it ends that Saout with QQ's will go all in in every cases.
Seems that he would have lost that one anyhow.
magicolivier 1 year ago
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magicolivier 1 year ago
Darwin Moon folded straight. OMG!!!
SuperValcsi 1 year ago
toobad moon didn't play the all in cuz he'dva had the bracelet.
OUSOONERSFTW 1 year ago
To conclude this, this was a retarded shove that got rewarded through pure luck. Nothing else. Calling or Folding were better options than shoving. He even had good enough implied odds to flop a set. This comes to prove that Cada has no post-flop skills. Just bingo, bingo, bingo. Pure fucking idiot who should've gotten fucked and eliminated. Can't believe peopel are siding with Cada as if his moves are +EV play. LMAO. result-oriented fuckfaces.
EdDy4RheelZ 1 year ago
this was sick...........Then again, this isnt Chess. This happens.
ilovejourney1 1 year ago
LMAO at people siding with Cada as if this is a +EV shove. If it's half my stack to knock your punk ass out and get few million dollars more and go heads-up, I'm calling with any pocket pairs, any broadway hands, and possibly mediocre suited connectors. Shove is the worst thing he could've done here. Even call was much better. Can even flop a set, develop post-flop strategy to outplay Saout
EdDy4RheelZ 1 year ago
so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so lucky boy
curuzu 1 year ago
if u see Darvin woukd have made a straight :D haha, funn. Joe Cade @ big luckage ;-)
lemmingb 1 year ago
Yesterday i play a tournament, only two more elimination for paying sits, and in the same situation, QQ (me) vs 22, the flop show A 2 6, really sick, and i felt for one moment the saout felling...
megasbi 1 year ago
dumb shove
krazyazn208 1 year ago
i saw this 1 millons times, i love this hand
curuzu 1 year ago
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FUCK SAOUT! CANT EVEN SPEAK PROPER ENGLISH!! SOUNDS LIKE A RETARD EVERYTIME HE OPENS HIS MOUTH!!
KaLiLoKz 1 year ago
darwin could have tooken the whole thing there if he was donkey enough to call the flop with his 10 8 ,he would have had a str8,no one knew he would have gotten it,still good fold by moon
myNAMEhighGUY 1 year ago
friggin donkey stuff
JohnQWydell 1 year ago
moving in with 22 after a reraise, why do u call him a pro?
sateliteblues 1 year ago
ivey or saout deserved to win it. cada donked so much in my main event champs hes just above jaime gold and jerry yang
Araknophobik 1 year ago
he luckbox wins again. Stoy of online players. Skill is over-rated right?
RIgnace 1 year ago
Joe Cada plays like donkey. He should take over Eddie Murphy's role on Shrek.
Tehui1974 1 year ago
i dont care how good cada is...that was horrendous 4bet. saiout did a very small 3bet which basically announced he had big pair or AQ, AK. also cada risked over 30bb to win 10bb pot. he had enough to flat call 3bet and flop the set and stack saoiut for sure
ucla198 1 year ago
@ucla198 you setmine with 1/6 th of your stack ? ....nh
Shuffmike 1 year ago
@ucla198 you setmine with 1/6th of your stack ? nh.
Shuffmike 1 year ago
@ucla198 do you setmine with 1/6th of your stack ? .. nh
Shuffmike 1 year ago
You're gonna set mine with a 40bb stack facing a 3bet? You really cant soul read preflop betsizing - ridiculous to learn know about that unless you know something specific about Saout. Saout's 3betting range has to be HUGE here. Cada has ridiculous fold equity, this is definitely the optimal play, just looks bad cuz the other guy has QQ. Getting a pair in with 40bb 3 handed = standard. His only other option is to fold, and if hes folding pairs to any 3 bet then hes not gonna last long.
SurvivingTheHorizon 1 year ago
@SurvivingTheHorizon He's either crushed or flipping. Its a terrible play.
Chesster6969 1 year ago
@Chesster696 No shit, you mean saout cant have pocket zeros. but that completely ignores fold equity. unless we know saout's 3 betting range and calling 4bet range (which unfortunately we cannot get from the couple hands they show) we cant answer this question, which is essentially a math problem.
SurvivingTheHorizon 1 year ago
@SurvivingTheHorizon he had 33.5 million behind. He has tons of fold equity. But Saout is more than likely not folding anything hes 3betting and Cada was a moron here and against shulman with his 3's. and no matter what his 3bet range is 22 does not do well against it. like i said, 50/50 at best!! its a terrible shove and he got terribly lucky.
Chesster6969 1 year ago
if his 3betting range is wide, and could quite conceivably be any 2 cards.. why is he most likely calling with anything - will he call with K3suited , A2, or QJ? all which are as likely as AK or QQ. this is 3handed blind v blind. standard to 4bet shove any pair with 40bb im almost positive its +$ev. saout was very very aggressive from all accounts. at very least it is close, it is definitely not terrible as you say. but cada played to win, not to get blinded out, most of us would have folded.
SurvivingTheHorizon 1 year ago
@Chesster6969 honestly i think cada's worst play is the one that no one talks about which is calling schulmann's all in with AJ... Schulman was folding AK and 99 to reraises at the FT. Which in the end is why Cada shoved 33 despite schulmann being a 1st position raiser and being tight as balls.
SurvivingTheHorizon 1 year ago
@Chesster6969 saout would have folded 90% of his 3bet range to an all in the move was EV+
squallloky 1 year ago
@squallloky 90%? LMAO, you gotta be kidding me. Just remember this. CADA is the one at risk of getting eliminated. Saout is NOT. Cada is calling with any pocket pair, any premium broadway hands, such as AK, AQ, AJ, AT, KQ. Saout's calling range will be wider since he has Cada covered by two times the amount. All-in move = -EV. What are you expecting to get called by that you have him beat? pocket 1s? pocket 0s? You're coin-flipping at best and dominated majority of the time when called.
EdDy4RheelZ 1 year ago
Saout* is calling with.....
EdDy4RheelZ 1 year ago
@EdDy4RheelZ Did you play a final table with Saout? You see 5% of all the hands played and think you can judge their play like that? Saout was overly aggressive throughout the tournament and history said that he could fold easily most of his 3bet range to a shove, that's it. I mean you saw the hand where he 4bet Ivey with 77 pre-flop?
squallloky 1 year ago
@squallloky So wait, you just witnessed him 3-betting Phil Ivey with 77, but yet, you still recommend pushing all-in with deuces? You're either coin-flipping at best or dominated. Going all-in with deuces is plain stupidity. With the stack sizes they've got, there's no way Saout is folding his 3-bet since he has Cada covered twice the stack.Saout is calling with very wide range of hands. If the stack sizes were reversed and Cada had Saout covered, then standard play. But Cada is the one at risk.
EdDy4RheelZ 1 year ago
@EdDy4RheelZ he misread saout's aggression, period. the play by itself isn't bad.
squallloky 1 year ago
@squallloky I'll repeat this once again. With the stack sizes that Cada and Saout got, Saout's calling range with his 3-bet range is very wide since he has Cada covered. Shoving with deuces is the worst move in this spot. Even calling was much better in this spot. He's even getting way good implied odds to flop a set. Call or Fold were two better options than shove. You're flipping if you're lucky, dominated most of the time when you're called. You're never ahead against 3-better's calling range
EdDy4RheelZ 1 year ago
@squallloky This play wouldn't be bad as you said if stack sizes were reversed where Cada has Saout covered. But in this case, Cada was the one at risk and he wasn't short. Are you telling me you're willing to put up your tournament life on marginal odds where you're coin-flipping 1% ahead if you're lucky and 20% equity when you're dominated by a pocket pair? Bad play imo. But whatever. I'm not used to playing bingo, so maybe I'm missing something here. Maybe Cada felt his luck n saw a set comin
EdDy4RheelZ 1 year ago
@EdDy4RheelZ It's so much easier to make such statements when you KNOW what they are holding. All you see is 5% of total hands played during the final table and you think you can make a correct judgement but my point is still the same: you got no history with either one of them and the only thing we know for sure is that Saout was by far the most aggressive player at the table. He was 3betting a lot so most of his range was folding to a 4bet, Cada just misread the situation.
squallloky 1 year ago
@EdDy4RheelZ But even if it has been TT, the result was the same: he was a 20% dog. Can you see my point? All Cada had was fold equity by shoving and he wanted to use it against an aggressive player that has a HUGE 3bet range. This time he had a hand. Most of the time he could have anything from 22+ to TJ+
squallloky 1 year ago
@squallloky wtf? "result was the same" nice way to be result-oriented. If the guy had Tens, I wouldn't blame Cada because only hands that has him dominated were 4 pocket pairs and Tens are actually good hand in 3-handed table. In your logic, I guess going all-in with KK pre-flop is same as going all-in with 22 pre-flop since they're both 4-1 underdog against pocket Aces.
EdDy4RheelZ 1 year ago
@EdDy4RheelZ You're never favorite when you get called holding TT pre-flop in this type of deep stack situation (unless it's by a retard). I'm just saying you're thinking as an ABC poker player. Going all in with 22 is not the move of the year but you forget to use information such as history with the player, his aggression factor and the possible range of his 3bet he would fold to a 4bet. Those infos, plus the fact that he was covered by Saout giving Cada much more strenght than he could have.
squallloky 1 year ago
@EdDy4RheelZ All that gives so much strength than he has to have great fold equity in this spot against most of Saout's range, which he had. NLHE is a game of incomplete information, and it's your hability to fill the blanks that make you good or bad. If he was wrong and still got lucky, it's good for him. The play by itself isn't bad if you see beyond the f'kin' cards.
squallloky 1 year ago
@squallloky Do yourself a favor, download Pokerstove, input Saout's 3-bet range, and then calculate it with deuces and then with Tens. You'll see the difference between Tens and deuces. Cada had very little fold equity, since Saout had him covered. Saout's calling range with his 3-bet is very wide. Now, if Cada had Saout covered and went all-in with deuces, Saout's calling range is narrowed, therefore having better fold equity. But since Saout had Cada covered, fold equity is very small. -EV
EdDy4RheelZ 1 year ago
@squallloky What makes you think I'm only seeing the cards. I'm ignoring Saout's holding of QQ while focusing on decision that Cada made with deuces against aggro-3-betting Saout. Shove only has very little fold equity since Saout's calling range with his 3-bet hands is very wide and he'll call with any 3-bet range in an attempt to knock Cada out. Even if Saout rolled over AK, shoving with deuces = -EV. Call and Fold options were much better than shove. He even had good implied odds to flop set
EdDy4RheelZ 1 year ago
@EdDy4RheelZ You obviously don't get my point. You're just still thinking with maths, I'm trying to explain to you psychology between the play. And for Saout's 3-bet range, it is from what it was known 55+, A8, KTs+ and some random nothings. Shoving would have made him fold almost everything but QQ+, sometimes JJ and AK, which was a thin portion of his 3-bet range.It was only a matter of what portion of his range he would fold for 35M more (half his stack). The answer is: A LOT.
squallloky 1 year ago
@squallloky What makes you think shoving will make Saout fold everything besides QQ+? Saout will call with wide range of hands. He will call with any pocket pairs from 7s and up if he puts Cada on AK while calling with any broadway hands if he puts on Cada on small pocket pairs.
Your result-oriented view was, shoving with Tens is same as shoving with deuces just because Saout had Queens. If Cada shoved with Tens, then people wouldn't berate him as much bcz Tens in 3-handed is a very good hand.
EdDy4RheelZ 1 year ago
@squallloky You are NEVER ahead of anyone's any range with pocket deuces while you are ahead of many ranges in 3-handed game with pocket Tens. Even if someone has 3-betting or calling range of 76% or higher, you are NEVER ahead with deuces. With the stack sizes they've got, Saout's calling range is lot wider. What makes you think he'll only call with QQ+? If Cada had Saout covered, then you got a point. But that wasn't the case.
EdDy4RheelZ 1 year ago
@squallloky Jerry Yang's all-in with J8 against Lee Child's KJ was a better move than Cada's all-in with deuces. Want to know why? Jerry at least had a big stack size to control the table and narrow people's calling ranges while having big fold equity since they do not want to risk busting out before other players. But Cada puts up his whole tournament life with deuces. Saout will be calling with wide range of hands. I wouldn't even be surprised if Saout called with pocket 5s.
EdDy4RheelZ 1 year ago
@EdDy4RheelZ You're still missing the point. From the beginning, i'm just telling you that Cada's intention was to make him fold because he read him as weak. I'm agreeing that he could have done it with a better hand, but the logic behind the play is still decent. I also agree he should have lost the hand and Saout should have won the ME. But shoving regardless of your cards in situations where you think you can make the other person fold is not a bad play, it's real poker.
squallloky 1 year ago
@squallloky Missing the point? All you've been doing was explaining in circles about fold equity. Yes, ATC have fold equity when they shove. But that doesn't justify people's moves to be a good play. If I 4-bet all-in against 5 players with 72o deepstacked, I guess that must not be a bad play since I have fold equity. I'm beyond your point. I'm talking whether this was a good spot to pick fold equity with deuces. Answer is no. Saout is calling with wide range of hands due to their stacksizes.
EdDy4RheelZ 1 year ago
@EdDy4RheelZ Will not agree there, but w/e.
squallloky 1 year ago
@squallloky When Darvin Moon went all-in with AQo against Begleiter's QQ, wasn't a best play but I still didn't berate him. Want to know why? Darvin had a monstrous chipstack in the table to bully people, and had lot of room for error while Begleiter had Shulman and Cada who were smaller stacks than him. So Begleiter has to fold many range of hands. He can only call with QQ+, therefore, making Moon have big fold equity while having decent showdown equity with AQo. except QQ+,AK, he's fav or flip
EdDy4RheelZ 1 year ago
@EdDy4RheelZ *yawn* still not agree with what you said 'bout Cada.
squallloky 1 year ago
@squallloky For someone who have a hard time understanding how retarded and stupid it is to shove with 22 and seek fold equity while being the one at risk from being short-stacked, I wont' continue any further discussing this hand with you. Waste of my time as well. I've given you valid reasons why Cada is a fucking retard and made a dumb play with deuces. It has nothing to do with Saout's QQ. Based on their stack sizes, Cada is a fucking idiot who should've gotten fucked and eliminated.
EdDy4RheelZ 1 year ago
@EdDy4RheelZ Hey guess what, I just did a tournament live this week end and I 4bet 22 all in 2 times when 3 handed, guess it's working when you read others correctly.
squallloky 1 year ago
@squallloky False dichotomy at its finest.
EdDy4RheelZ 1 year ago
@squallloky Hey donk. Wanna learn the real definition of fold equity? Search up Joseph Cheong 6-betting all-in with A7o against Duhamel's QQ. Stupid play? Yes but maybe. At least he had a fucking reason why. He realized that Duhamel cannot afford to call with anything other than QQ since Racener is short-stacked, unlike fucktarded Cada who thinks he has fold equity against a player who has him covered twice. Why would anyone fold their reraise to a short-stacked player? Learn to play Poker.
EdDy4RheelZ 1 year ago
@EdDy4RheelZ QQ+*
EdDy4RheelZ 1 year ago
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@EdDy4RheelZ *yawn* six months later ur still thinking about this? get a life rofl
squallloky 1 year ago
@EdDy4RheelZ lol ur such a donk, stay at NL10. i know jon and he said the same thing occured in that hand: history.
squallloky 1 year ago
@squallloky What the fuck is a 10NL? Sorry kid but I don't play online. Seems like it's a stake that you've been around in(possibly still in). Joseph Cheong all-ining with A7o > Fucktarded Cada going all-in with deuces.
Cheong actually had fold equity. Everyone knows what "right ABC poker" play is. But Joseph actually had fold equity and made a move against Duhaml thnx to Racener being short-stacked. Did Cada have that fold equity? NO. You're a fucking donk and a retard for not realizing this.
EdDy4RheelZ 1 year ago