WOW, right behind you-Thank God for preaching the truth, we are not of this world, this is not our home, our eyes are on our true home in heaven. Yes, many have lost focus, and have replaced the truth with a world based "religion" and their eyes are not on the true message of the Gospel. We are here to tell others, and live for Him, not for the world. He said we would have trials, but He holds our hand thru this life, and we are never alone
God bless you! So many people don't want to live right and don't want Jesus to come back. But no devil in hell can stop the rapture of the church. True message, i pray that souls wake up to the truth.
Live right yes, but remember the BLOOD OF JESUS bought our salvation and our obedience is because of the fear of God and the Love of God! HE suffered and died for us, we got it all! If we never get anything here that's okay! Right on!!!!! Not by works of righteousness that WE have done, by Grace through faith we are saved!! By the works of the law shall no one be saved. It is the gift of God not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Jesus said that He was coming "soon", and for us to be ready for when He dose. To God a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years is like a day. So to God, Jesus has only been gone for 2 days, He will return on the third day, He promised. We are already in the early morning of the third day,He could come any time. Or he could come within 1000 years. However He said, you will know the time is close when you see the signs.If you research it, you will find MOST of those signs are here now.
Yes, but a day to man is like...a day. And the Bible was written in order to communication with man, not God. Besides, it says that a day with God is "like" a thousand years, not a day IS a thousand years. All this means is that God is outside of time. This, however, by no means wipes out all of the 100 plus time statements found in the N.T. in regards to last days prophecy.
What you're saying is that we really have no idea what "soon" means.
No disrespect buddy but you've got that scripture misinterpreted. Paul was clearly addressing the Philippian church regarding Timothy's arrival to that specific church as a pastor
" Phil 2:19 If the Lord Jesus is willing, I hope to send Timothy to you soon for a visit. Then he can cheer me up by telling me how you are getting along. I have no one else like Timothy, who genuinely cares about your welfare." The truth is Jesus will be returning soon whether many accept it or not
"The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must SOON take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. 3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is NEAR."
Wasn't John clearly addressing the Christians of the seven frist-century churches of Asia Minor about the arrival of Christ? Warning them to keep what is writen in this prophecy "for the time is near."?
Yet you want to apply that to the future, when John was "clearly addressing" those first-century churches. Yet when I us this same hermenuetic and apply it consistently to Phil. 2:19, you say I'm misinterpreting the Scriptures.
If I'm misinterpreting Phil. 2:19 (and I am indeed doing so, intentionally, in order to make a point), then you're just as badly misinterpreting Revelation, by putting most if not all of its events in the future when John was "clearly addressing" the very real and historic seven churches of Asia Minor, by warning them to "keep what is written in [this book], for the time is NEAR."
Why should anybody care if Timothy is coming? That's like me saying Batman is coming. It's absurd. Let's not wander off to some separate argument on your understanding of the scriptures. The issue at hand is that you think 'Timothy' is coming back to us.. yet you have no solid biblical proof. Where does it say Timothy is coming back?
No, I don't think Timothy is coming back. I'm merely using Phil. 2:19 as an example of your (the futurist) inconsistent hermeneutic. You'll recognize audience relevance and historical setting in Phil. 2:19, but then when it comes to Revelation, Matthew 24-25, Matthew 16, and other "end times" passages, you completely ignore the context.
Where does it say Christ is coming back, for a third time, two thousand years after he originally promised to return? Answer me that.
The message of the Bible is clear. Repent and Believe; Jesus Christ is Lord and we will all be judged for the way we chose to live; we either accept His sacrifice on our behalf or we deny it. What have you chosen?
I'm saying that when Jesus said, "I am coming soon," and "This generation will not pass away until ALL these things take place," and, "Some standing here shall not taste death until you see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom" he actually meant it, and did what he said.
You can't take any of those time statements seriously, within the context in which they were made, and hold to an eschatological view that Christ still hasn't returned, 2,000 years after he said he would.
I'm still a little confused as to the point you're trying to make. Christ was prophesied. Christ came and lived the perfect sinless life as a human. Christ rose from the dead and is now with the Father in Heaven. Christ will be coming again soon to judge the world.
He already came to judge the world. That's what I'm saying.
"Behold, I am coming SOON, bringing my RECOMPENSE with me, to REPAY everyone for what he has done." Revelation 22:12
"For the Son of Man is ABOUT to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will REPAY each person according to what he has done. Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will NOT TASTE DEATH until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." - Matthew 16:28
"He has fixed a day in which He is ABOUT TO (Greek: mello) judge the world in righteousness..." - Acts 17:31
"As he was discussing righteousness, self-control and the judgment ABOUT TO come..." - Acts 24:25 "The God of peace will SOON crush Satan under your feet." - Rom. 16:20
"For yet in a VERY LITTLE WHILE, He who is coming will come, AND WILL NOT DELAY." - Heb. 10:37
edg131, I take these time indicators very seriously. It is obvious upon a close reading of the N.T. text that both Christ as well as the N.T. writers expected (and predicted) that Christ's return was going to happen within that generation, within that first century time frame.
So, given that, we're left with two choices: Either Christ came as he said he would (SOON), or he didn't and he along with the apostles were frauds. What have you chosen?
What point are you trying to prove? You think If Christ had come to Judge the world that it's game over and that ends that?
How about. Christ Came to Die for Sinners as prophesied and rose again on the 3rd day to go and be with the father in front of a crowd with over 500 people AND he WILL BE RETURNING again soon.
Just because you keep saying it, doesn't mean it's true. Notice how I am presenting Scripture to make my case, while you just keep repeating the same old talking points.
"he WILL BE RETURNING again soon."
What do you mean by "soon," edg? 2,000 plus years? Why do you think YOU can use the plain, ordinary meaning of the word soon, but when Christ and the apostles use it, it loses all of its meaning.
Scripture is clear buddy. Nobody knows the hour nor the place when Jesus will be returning but it says he will be returning soon to judge the world. Do you disagree that it says that?
I think there's a deeper issue to be addressed beyond this whole argument.
Let me ask you. What are your personal beliefs? Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your Saviour and repented of your Sins, acknowledging what He did on the cross to save you?
So let me get this straight: I try to take Christ at his word, take what he actually said seriously, within the proper context in which he said those things, and for doing so you question my salvation?
Let's not go there, edg. I don't question your salvation based on your eschatological beliefs, don't question mine.
The "deeper issue" here is this: Do YOU believe Jesus when he told the first-century believers that he was coming SOON, within their generation?
Jesus said 2,000 years ago that he was coming soon. IF he didn't, then he was indeed a fraud. I don't believe he was a fraud, and so that's why I take him seriously when he said he was going to come SOON, within that first century generation (Matt. 24:34), before all of his disciples had tasted death (Matt. 16:28).
You deny that he fulfilled those promises, as you contend that he STILL hasn't returned. That makes him, under your system, a false prophet.
Preterism teaches that most, if not all, of the Book of Revelation and the Olivet Discourse (Matt. 24- 25; Mark 13; Luke 21) were fulfilled in conjunction with the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in a.d. 70. If this notion is granted, then almost all of Bible prophecy is not to be anticipated in the future, but is past history. Your FALSE scheme springs forth from a misinterpretation of Matthew 24:34
(see also Mark 13:30; Luke 21:32), by which they launch an upside-down view of eschatology, which does not look to the future but instead gazes at the past.
I get it. You 'THINK' that Every time ' this generation' is used in the New Testament, it means, without exception, the generation to whom Jesus was speaking." And because of that singular view. I have to say your understanding is 'wack'
I base my doctrine on more than just Matt. 24:34. There are well over a 100 time statements in the New Testament.
You do realize that in EVERY other instance in which Christ used the phrase "this generation" in the N.T. gospels, he was referring to his contemporaries? Right? So are you telling me that despite all that, Christ was suddenly talking about a completely different, 2000-years-off-into-the-future generation in Matt. 24:34?
I thought Scripture was supposed to interpret Scripture?
Tommy Ice brings the hammer down on the nail head. In other words; why re-word something when it's already a solid interpretation?
It's clear that you're just here to try to convince/persuade others on your understanding of the scriptures. It's an argument that I would love to have with you in person but It seems like it'd take Christ himself telling you the interpretation for you to change your mind.
Then credit Tommy Ice. But don't post his words here as if you yourself thought them up and typed them. That's dishonest.
I'm merely trying to correct doctrines which I see to be contrary to the word of God. Do you not do the same?
"it'd take Christ himself telling you the interpretation for you to change your mind."
Soon means soon, near means near, and at hand means at hand. Unless these plain words don't really mean what they mean, it is not I who has an interpretation problem.
I'm going to leave one scripture verse with you. If you'd like to continue the conversation beyond this. You can contact me via message, as I will no longer be responding under this video.
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. - 2 Peter 3:9
Haha. I knew it was only a matter of time before 2 Peter 3:8 was brought up.
Sorry, edg, but one verse TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT does not cancel out hundreds of time statements scattered throughout the entire N.T. In part, what that verse is saying is that God operates outside of time.
The Bible was written to man, using language that he could understand. Hence, it makes no sense to assert that God word used words (soon, near, quickly, etc.) whose meaning only he could properly understand.
Edg, don't give me copied and pasted arguments from Tommy Ice. If you don't understand the issues well enough to engage me one on one with your own words, then perhaps you don't know the issue well enough to know what you really believe.
Study for yourself. Don't give me rehashed arguments from others.
WOW, right behind you-Thank God for preaching the truth, we are not of this world, this is not our home, our eyes are on our true home in heaven. Yes, many have lost focus, and have replaced the truth with a world based "religion" and their eyes are not on the true message of the Gospel. We are here to tell others, and live for Him, not for the world. He said we would have trials, but He holds our hand thru this life, and we are never alone
luettem 1 year ago
God bless you! So many people don't want to live right and don't want Jesus to come back. But no devil in hell can stop the rapture of the church. True message, i pray that souls wake up to the truth.
rossdaboss1959 2 years ago
AMEN!!!
SmileLoveForgive 2 years ago
Thank You Man Of God. That
Was Message Form Load His Self
Thank You God Bless
coollsmalls 3 years ago
a great message. wonderful, this man is on
FIRE for jesus PRAISE GOD. GODBLESS THIS MAN OF GOD AMEN
calledservant29 3 years ago 2
Live right yes, but remember the BLOOD OF JESUS bought our salvation and our obedience is because of the fear of God and the Love of God! HE suffered and died for us, we got it all! If we never get anything here that's okay! Right on!!!!! Not by works of righteousness that WE have done, by Grace through faith we are saved!! By the works of the law shall no one be saved. It is the gift of God not of works, lest anyone should boast.
SeventhCOG 3 years ago 2
Funny that all the first-century Apostles expected Jesus to come back "soon" too.
ATLpirate 3 years ago
Jesus said that He was coming "soon", and for us to be ready for when He dose. To God a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years is like a day. So to God, Jesus has only been gone for 2 days, He will return on the third day, He promised. We are already in the early morning of the third day,He could come any time. Or he could come within 1000 years. However He said, you will know the time is close when you see the signs.If you research it, you will find MOST of those signs are here now.
impact360 3 years ago
Yes, but a day to man is like...a day. And the Bible was written in order to communication with man, not God. Besides, it says that a day with God is "like" a thousand years, not a day IS a thousand years. All this means is that God is outside of time. This, however, by no means wipes out all of the 100 plus time statements found in the N.T. in regards to last days prophecy.
What you're saying is that we really have no idea what "soon" means.
ATLpirate 3 years ago
By the way, are you excited about seeing Timothy too?
ATLpirate 3 years ago
Do you mean the Timothy of the bible?
Well of course I'm excited to meet all
the old and new testament people who
served God. But more importantly I can't
wait to see JESUS!!!
impact360 3 years ago
No, Timothy is coming TO us. And soon. See:
"I hope in the Lord Jesus to send Timothy to you soon, so that I too may be cheered by news of you." - Phil. 2:19
I wonder what he's going to look like when he comes to us. Will it be a bodily coming, or a spiritual one? I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Either way come, Timothy, come!
ATLpirate 3 years ago
ATLpirate,
No disrespect buddy but you've got that scripture misinterpreted. Paul was clearly addressing the Philippian church regarding Timothy's arrival to that specific church as a pastor
" Phil 2:19 If the Lord Jesus is willing, I hope to send Timothy to you soon for a visit. Then he can cheer me up by telling me how you are getting along. I have no one else like Timothy, who genuinely cares about your welfare." The truth is Jesus will be returning soon whether many accept it or not
edg131 2 years ago
And how is this any different than Rev. 1:1-3?
"The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must SOON take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. 3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is NEAR."
ATLpirate 2 years ago
Wasn't John clearly addressing the Christians of the seven frist-century churches of Asia Minor about the arrival of Christ? Warning them to keep what is writen in this prophecy "for the time is near."?
Yet you want to apply that to the future, when John was "clearly addressing" those first-century churches. Yet when I us this same hermenuetic and apply it consistently to Phil. 2:19, you say I'm misinterpreting the Scriptures.
ATLpirate 2 years ago
If I'm misinterpreting Phil. 2:19 (and I am indeed doing so, intentionally, in order to make a point), then you're just as badly misinterpreting Revelation, by putting most if not all of its events in the future when John was "clearly addressing" the very real and historic seven churches of Asia Minor, by warning them to "keep what is written in [this book], for the time is NEAR."
ATLpirate 2 years ago
Why should anybody care if Timothy is coming? That's like me saying Batman is coming. It's absurd. Let's not wander off to some separate argument on your understanding of the scriptures. The issue at hand is that you think 'Timothy' is coming back to us.. yet you have no solid biblical proof. Where does it say Timothy is coming back?
edg131 2 years ago
No, I don't think Timothy is coming back. I'm merely using Phil. 2:19 as an example of your (the futurist) inconsistent hermeneutic. You'll recognize audience relevance and historical setting in Phil. 2:19, but then when it comes to Revelation, Matthew 24-25, Matthew 16, and other "end times" passages, you completely ignore the context.
Where does it say Christ is coming back, for a third time, two thousand years after he originally promised to return? Answer me that.
ATLpirate 2 years ago
The message of the Bible is clear. Repent and Believe; Jesus Christ is Lord and we will all be judged for the way we chose to live; we either accept His sacrifice on our behalf or we deny it. What have you chosen?
edg131 2 years ago
Yes, but we are discussing eschatology. Stick to the topic at hand.
ATLpirate 2 years ago
hahahah. I like you man :)
Ok, so break it down for me .. you think that scripture teaches that Jesus already came twice? What is your point. Could you type it in one sentence?
edg131 2 years ago
I'm saying that when Jesus said, "I am coming soon," and "This generation will not pass away until ALL these things take place," and, "Some standing here shall not taste death until you see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom" he actually meant it, and did what he said.
You can't take any of those time statements seriously, within the context in which they were made, and hold to an eschatological view that Christ still hasn't returned, 2,000 years after he said he would.
ATLpirate 2 years ago
I'm still a little confused as to the point you're trying to make. Christ was prophesied. Christ came and lived the perfect sinless life as a human. Christ rose from the dead and is now with the Father in Heaven. Christ will be coming again soon to judge the world.
edg131 2 years ago
He already came to judge the world. That's what I'm saying.
"Behold, I am coming SOON, bringing my RECOMPENSE with me, to REPAY everyone for what he has done." Revelation 22:12
"For the Son of Man is ABOUT to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will REPAY each person according to what he has done. Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will NOT TASTE DEATH until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." - Matthew 16:28
ATLpirate 2 years ago
"He has fixed a day in which He is ABOUT TO (Greek: mello) judge the world in righteousness..." - Acts 17:31
"As he was discussing righteousness, self-control and the judgment ABOUT TO come..." - Acts 24:25 "The God of peace will SOON crush Satan under your feet." - Rom. 16:20
"For yet in a VERY LITTLE WHILE, He who is coming will come, AND WILL NOT DELAY." - Heb. 10:37
"It is the LAST HOUR." - I Jn. 2:18
"The time is NEAR." - Rev. 1:3
"I am coming QUICKLY." - Rev. 3:11
ATLpirate 2 years ago
And there are plenty more where those came from.
edg131, I take these time indicators very seriously. It is obvious upon a close reading of the N.T. text that both Christ as well as the N.T. writers expected (and predicted) that Christ's return was going to happen within that generation, within that first century time frame.
So, given that, we're left with two choices: Either Christ came as he said he would (SOON), or he didn't and he along with the apostles were frauds. What have you chosen?
ATLpirate 2 years ago
What point are you trying to prove? You think If Christ had come to Judge the world that it's game over and that ends that?
How about. Christ Came to Die for Sinners as prophesied and rose again on the 3rd day to go and be with the father in front of a crowd with over 500 people AND he WILL BE RETURNING again soon.
Nobody is a fraud. Scripture is infallible.
Christ will be returning to Judge the world.
edg131 2 years ago
Just because you keep saying it, doesn't mean it's true. Notice how I am presenting Scripture to make my case, while you just keep repeating the same old talking points.
"he WILL BE RETURNING again soon."
What do you mean by "soon," edg? 2,000 plus years? Why do you think YOU can use the plain, ordinary meaning of the word soon, but when Christ and the apostles use it, it loses all of its meaning.
ATLpirate 2 years ago
Present Scripture?
Scripture is clear buddy. Nobody knows the hour nor the place when Jesus will be returning but it says he will be returning soon to judge the world. Do you disagree that it says that?
edg131 2 years ago
I think there's a deeper issue to be addressed beyond this whole argument.
Let me ask you. What are your personal beliefs? Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your Saviour and repented of your Sins, acknowledging what He did on the cross to save you?
edg131 2 years ago
So let me get this straight: I try to take Christ at his word, take what he actually said seriously, within the proper context in which he said those things, and for doing so you question my salvation?
Let's not go there, edg. I don't question your salvation based on your eschatological beliefs, don't question mine.
The "deeper issue" here is this: Do YOU believe Jesus when he told the first-century believers that he was coming SOON, within their generation?
ATLpirate 2 years ago
Nobody KNEW the exact hour or place, but Christ did know the general time-frame:
"Truly, I say to you, THIS GENERATION (the one to whom he was speaking) will NOT PASS AWAY until ALL these things take place."
You're right, Scripture is clear.
"he will be returning soon to judge the world"
That's what the first century apostles were telling the church 2000 years ago. Why should I believe you over the apostles and Christ himself?
ATLpirate 2 years ago
"Nobody is a fraud."
Jesus said 2,000 years ago that he was coming soon. IF he didn't, then he was indeed a fraud. I don't believe he was a fraud, and so that's why I take him seriously when he said he was going to come SOON, within that first century generation (Matt. 24:34), before all of his disciples had tasted death (Matt. 16:28).
You deny that he fulfilled those promises, as you contend that he STILL hasn't returned. That makes him, under your system, a false prophet.
ATLpirate 2 years ago
You're argument is nonsense. A false prophet? hahaha, seriously?
edg131 2 years ago
Preterism teaches that most, if not all, of the Book of Revelation and the Olivet Discourse (Matt. 24- 25; Mark 13; Luke 21) were fulfilled in conjunction with the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in a.d. 70. If this notion is granted, then almost all of Bible prophecy is not to be anticipated in the future, but is past history. Your FALSE scheme springs forth from a misinterpretation of Matthew 24:34
edg131 2 years ago
(see also Mark 13:30; Luke 21:32), by which they launch an upside-down view of eschatology, which does not look to the future but instead gazes at the past.
edg131 2 years ago
I get it. You 'THINK' that Every time ' this generation' is used in the New Testament, it means, without exception, the generation to whom Jesus was speaking." And because of that singular view. I have to say your understanding is 'wack'
edg131 2 years ago
I base my doctrine on more than just Matt. 24:34. There are well over a 100 time statements in the New Testament.
You do realize that in EVERY other instance in which Christ used the phrase "this generation" in the N.T. gospels, he was referring to his contemporaries? Right? So are you telling me that despite all that, Christ was suddenly talking about a completely different, 2000-years-off-into-the-future generation in Matt. 24:34?
I thought Scripture was supposed to interpret Scripture?
ATLpirate 2 years ago
Tommy Ice brings the hammer down on the nail head. In other words; why re-word something when it's already a solid interpretation?
It's clear that you're just here to try to convince/persuade others on your understanding of the scriptures. It's an argument that I would love to have with you in person but It seems like it'd take Christ himself telling you the interpretation for you to change your mind.
edg131 2 years ago
Then credit Tommy Ice. But don't post his words here as if you yourself thought them up and typed them. That's dishonest.
I'm merely trying to correct doctrines which I see to be contrary to the word of God. Do you not do the same?
"it'd take Christ himself telling you the interpretation for you to change your mind."
Soon means soon, near means near, and at hand means at hand. Unless these plain words don't really mean what they mean, it is not I who has an interpretation problem.
ATLpirate 2 years ago
I'm going to leave one scripture verse with you. If you'd like to continue the conversation beyond this. You can contact me via message, as I will no longer be responding under this video.
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. - 2 Peter 3:9
edg131 2 years ago
Haha. I knew it was only a matter of time before 2 Peter 3:8 was brought up.
Sorry, edg, but one verse TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT does not cancel out hundreds of time statements scattered throughout the entire N.T. In part, what that verse is saying is that God operates outside of time.
The Bible was written to man, using language that he could understand. Hence, it makes no sense to assert that God word used words (soon, near, quickly, etc.) whose meaning only he could properly understand.
ATLpirate 2 years ago
Edg, don't give me copied and pasted arguments from Tommy Ice. If you don't understand the issues well enough to engage me one on one with your own words, then perhaps you don't know the issue well enough to know what you really believe.
Study for yourself. Don't give me rehashed arguments from others.
ATLpirate 2 years ago
"Your FALSE scheme springs forth from a misinterpretation of Matthew 24:34"
What misinterpretation of Matthew 24:34 are you talking about? Can you tell me without seeing what Tommy Ice has to say about it?
ATLpirate 2 years ago