Black Professor: Ethnic Studies "Never" Teaches Ethnic Solidarity

[DivinelyMochaDipped]

soooo, in other words, we're embarrassed. don't teach them their history. they might resent us.

-_-

Scary ass Europeans. LOL

[magua4]

i think tom might know what hes talking about. the black guy (hes in a bunch of msnbc clips from what i can tell) was just brought in for the media to provide an opposing view because people like the splitscreen bickering. the sort of education that may have been happening in arizona, (according to the white guy) would have probably been within hispanic culture, and is probably a less profound level of cultural seclusion that occurs amongst muslims in france, and other un-assimilated cultures

[asana1973]

I think we're done tom..lol..Latinos could really tip the scales of justice ...especially with the prospects for a working class party in the US which includes more than just "Latino's." The democrats want them for abc reasons and Republicans want them for xyz reasons..sensitive topic. sensitive time..and so classes that had never been thought of controversial suddenly are at this period in history...a fragmented cultural past becomes a modern day auction including "removal."

[cannykicks]

I actually wanted to hear his last words. The anchor's a bimbo

[podwyer91]

wow this guy literally just goes around getting owned by people with vastly more intelligent points to make. nice job mr. hill!

[bosasosolja]

arizona is full of white racist! o my god

i PRAY TO GOD MEXICANS WILL BE THE MAJORITY AND OUTNUMBER WHITES ARIZONA! aaaameeeeen

[MountMarcyNY]

We need black and hispanic studies since they are such total losers, no one normally studies them. La Raza is racist, they want to drag us down to their backwards spick barrio culture where the losers who ruined their countries run ours

[MrBudablue]

lets teach truth!

[zzaaach]

"i think we're done, tom."

[brad238899]

What a great idea! Why don't we separate all history and literature classes by ethnicity and race! We could have Mexican American class, German American Class, Italian American Class, England American Class, Welsh American Class, Scottish American Class, Russian American Class, Israeli American Class, Polish American Class, French American Class, Belgian American Class, Dutch American Class, Croatian American Class, Romanian American Class, Chinese American Class. What a fantastic idea!

[javigr111]

In order to graduate the University of Wyoming you need to take a diversity credit to enhance critical thinking (Women/Gender Studies, Chicano Studies, African American Studies, and others). I am currently in Women Studies,and I love it. I have learned so much. We learn about oppression, but we also learned on how we can better our society. I would love to take a Chicano or African American studies. The people in AZ have fear. Because the white race is loosing its oppressor role.

[johnnyandthepnuemoni]

@javigr111 you forget, you are in a UNIVERSITY! you pay for those classes, you are the directer of your education, in the public high school system taxpayers pay for these classes. Furthermore i dont see why you liberals always bring up race and white people losing in oppression roles. Kids can learn about their ethnic history, in AMERICAN HISTORY CLASS! If you wanna talk oppression, try living in southern AZ, trust me whites receive far more racism from Mexicans, i assure u that

[Wolfielou]

ethnic studies teach racism when the teacher has an ethnic axe to grind; which is the case very often.

[Facebook289]

this ban is a bunch of kapooey

[geraldfitts2002]

There are different parts of history and it should be taught. One social studies class will not teach it all because it will only teach White history. We need different ethnic classes to teach different perspectives of history.

[fargonbastedge]

@geraldfitts2002 If you divide up race in America. It will only lead to a race war.

[ucsb1985]

All I can say is that it's very funny and sad that those people who comment on not having ethnic studies are those that don't know what it is.

[candidskeptic]

@ucsb1985 your sad because you just blindly go along with ethnic studies and fail to acknowledge the propaganda it perpetuates. It breeds a culture of internalizing feeling like a victim. Instead of boosting morale and demonstrating the positive achievements of individuals of minority groups, they go on and on about group oppression and how they have always had and still have it harder. Once you keep telling yourself a victim, you're not going anywhere. & I love how you ignored the Hughes book.

[ucsb1985]

@candidskeptic What's sad is that you don't know what you're talking about. You only took 2 CLASSES. How can you have a clear picture? Victim? I never had that experience. I've seen valid points raised and how things have changed for the better. Sorry, but not everything is perfect. If you put on blinders and follow such a position, you're deluding yourself. I intentionally ignored it because it's irrelevant. You provided no context for why you read that book (what class, what was the point?)

[ucsb1985]

@candidskeptic It's really ironic you like George Carlin and post this dribble.

[candidskeptic]

@ucsb1985 fuck off, you're a broken record. There you go again with that collectivist bullshit assuming all George Carlin fans are the same.

[ucsb1985]

@candidskeptic When you're that stupid, illogical, and that ridiculous...you almost deserve to be put to shame. Sorry, but you have no clue whatsoever. Yet, you act as the ultimate authority. I'm the broken record...states the person whose only argument is my "collectivist" viewpoint. Look, do yourself and the world a favor and fuck off.

[MountMarcyNY]

@candidskeptic So do you think that making some generalization about say country music versus punk rock fans is a "collectivist" thing? That just means you are too dense to notice group similarities and differences.

[candidskeptic]

@MountMarcyNY my whole point was that ethic studies courses preach poor values of victimhood and antipathy towards white culture. they constantly complain about eurocentricity but then take on the same approach in their material just from the perspective of a racial minority. the narrative remains the same with the whites almost instinctively oppressing the minorities. also most of the teachers of ethnic studies are often leftist anti-capitalist demagogues that brainwash vulnerable young minds

[MountMarcyNY]

@candidskeptic Well I agree a lot of that ethnic studies stuff is just a bunch of blame whitey nonsense. But they are not all some sort of Communists either. My feelings are that if some group's history got the short shrift, because the culture was totally unimportant, like some primitive Indian or African tribe, their cultures were so pathetically backwards that they were easily trounced by a far more advanced one. But then again, the ruling culture was unfair & oppressive too.

[candidskeptic]

@MountMarcyNY I can see your points. And while hopefully not all of them are communists, a lot of them are. Their lectures & readings reek of marxist bs. Plus they end up just painting each individual minority as being only as valuable as their affiliated race.

They race bait, then showing their vile attempts to demonize people that simply disagree with them. All in all they sacrifice reason & logic, and flat out ignore empirical evidence that disproves their oversimplified unilateral narrative

[MountMarcyNY]

@candidskeptic What I say to that, especially to the Hispanics, if you are so darn proud of your culture, what the hell are you doing here & why does your home country suck so much? As well as if you want to blame some whitey, go to Madrid and whine at & wheedle from the Spaniards. Hey, the US is far from perfect ,but I am not going to let a bunch of worthless 3rd world mooches guilt trip us to death.

[762lenny]

Damn I like Arizona more and more. They are going to have an immigration of of people from OTHER STATES if they don't watch out!!!

[candidskeptic]

It would be nice if ethnic studies just taught about certain people that made exceptional contributions who didn't get much mainstream attention. However, having taken a few ethnic studies courses, the continual commitment to grouping and dividing people makes these ethnicities look monolithic. 'This is the way black people think OR this is the way latinos think'.

Just look at when a black person doesn't subscribe to the conventional wisdom of the group. They are called an Uncle Tom!

[ucsb1985]

@candidskeptic What? Umm...Ethnic studies also go into subgroups of ethnic groups. It's really not monolithic.

[candidskeptic]

@ucsb1985 haha that is still collectivist type thinking. You could then say that those supposed subgroups you mentioned are presented to the students in a monolithic fashion as well. Trust me, I took 2 African American Studies courses at UC Berkeley. I've gone through it myself

[ucsb1985]

@candidskeptic Wow all of two classes. That means that you know A LOT about ethnic studies. By definition, a subgroup is not monolithic. It's a smaller part of a larger group. At least my classes (history minor, but most focused on Africa and the slave trade and were all taught by prof in the Black Studies Dept....roughly 10 classes.) had VARIOUS groups that were introduced. These were ethnic study courses.

[candidskeptic]

@ucsb1985 sorry I didn't take 10 like you. 2 was enough for me. Got pretty tired of all the anti-capitalist rhetoric they spewed. And wtf are you talking about "By definition, a subgroup is not monolithic"? You are still approaching them from a generalized, collectivist standpoint lacking focus on the individual. Also btw, 1 of the books we read was The Ways of White Folks by Langston Hughes. Imagine reading a book called The Ways of Black Folks at a liberal university. They'd throw a hissy fit.

[ucsb1985]

@candidskeptic Again, you prove my point that you don't really know what you're talking about. That it quite evident. Anti-capitalist? Some, maybe. However, my experiences and those of my cousins and my friends were not that. No, not approaching it from a "collectivist" approach. When you look at subsections of populations it fails to as monolithic (which YOU stated).

[candidskeptic]

@ucsb1985 I took 2 classes which I both got A's in. I may not be on your elite level of comprehension of ethnic studies, but I know what I heard. Yes, they were both blatantly anti-capitalist. Capitalism was portrayed as the white man's system that systematically oppresses the black man. Even though if you look throughout history, capitalism has been the only real solution to getting people prosperity and out of poverty. & yes those subgroups still can be shown as making up the monolithic whole.

[ucsb1985]

@candidskeptic Again only 2 classes. That's not a lot. That's not enough to voice such a strong condemnation. That's like me trying to debate Einsteinian physics vs. Newtonian physics because I took college physics. I simply don't know enough to make an intelligent comment. To imply such a blanket statement on two classes, is misleading. Nobody denies capitalism is a good system (not laissez faire capitalism, because we see that moderation is needed)...

[ucsb1985]

@candidskeptic Also a subgroup is a SMALLER group of a LARGER group. If you look at a population (ethnic, economic, age group...whatever), you can subdivide in smaller fragments. These smaller fragments are exactly that...smaller (sometimes VERY small) Monolithic is the opposite of small; it implies all encompassing. So it's contradictory to think that ALL races are presented monolithically and yet agree that subgroups (which many times dissent with the majority of a population) are represented.

[MountMarcyNY]

@candidskeptic People always make generalizations, that is what Science is all about. Just because someone makes a generalization, it doesn't mean they are some sort of "collectivist" or some other teabagging red baiting nonsense term.

[libfawn]

Get MECha out of our schools. MECha will create a civil war. It teaches to hate the USA and to take over the west to give it back to Mexico. This Black guy hasn't been in a MECha, Chicano Studies class. I have and know that it teaches the overthrow of the west. Ethnic studies focuses on division and basically hate Whitey.

[joshpnw]

Does that mean they won't have White American studies any longer?

Oh... nevermind.

[agnosticautonomy]

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