@mindyourown56 Go to mormon dot org? I guess you missed the fact that there were Mormons...Mormon Reps in the video you are complaining about. The LDS church chose them as authority to speak on this program. Do you not trust these mormon men?
The Bible says NOT to trust your heart. The heart is wicked and desperatly wicked. The heart needs a overhaul and wont be completely right till we enter Glory.
@NoneBeforeNoneAfter i wasn't complaing about what the "mormon reps" had to say. They spent more time showing these people who weren't Latter Day Saints (mormons). A lot of people say "mormons do this" and "mormons to that" if they arent "mormons" then i don't think they really know. And of course i trust these men. But it is these other men and women who aren't mormon who are telling everyone what we are.
@sneeger95 Mormonism has the wrong Jesus. 1. Jesus Christ was 'always' One with the Father as the One True God. Nature of Jesus Christ was, is and will always be the same. God created ALL. God is Father and Son and Spirit (Relationship). There was no other God formed before him nor after him. ISAIAH 43:10. No need for new temples, prophets or sacrifices as the Veil of the Temple was torn, Salvation and Being Born Again gives total accees to the 'Holy of Holys'. Christ is the Temple
MORMONISM IS NOT A CHRISTIAN RELIGION! FOLKS, BE CAREFUL THAT YOU ARE NOT LEAD IN TO THE DECEPTION OF THIS PROVEN FALSE RELIGION!
I read this book and highly reccomend it for everyone who is looking in to this blasphemous religion that can take your soul to hell. The author grew up in the Mormon Church and it is a completely FALSE RELIGION! Read the book CAN MITT ROMNEY SERVE TWO MASTERS?
All have sinned and greatly offended the holy God of the bible. The just punishment is death then hell. That's not Gods will. He suffered and died on the cross paying for the law you broke in His life's blood so He could legally dismiss your case. You must repent turn from sin and trust alone in Jesus Christ for your salvation.
I find it funny debating with Mormons. Mostly because we can defend our faith by quotes from the Bible and point out things that prove the Book Mormon false and when they can't argue they say you're from the devil because one thing the Book of Mormon says is that anyone who goes against this is from the devil. The evidence of the Bible is undeniable. All things such as tribes, cities and people have proven to be true. The Book of Mormon on the other hand not so much.
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“As a church, we have critics – many of them. They say we do not believe in the traditional Christ of Christianity. There is some substance to what they say. Our faith, our knowledge, is not based on ancient tradition…Our faith, our knowledge comes of the witness of a prophet in this dispensation…”
A comment earlier was that the Bible doesn't teach the Trinity anywhere; this is NOT true. The word "Trinity" is not found in the Bible, but then neither is "dinosaur", "atmosphere" or "galaxy", all things we know to exist. There are multiple of references pointing to the Trinity, such as Gen 1:1, 1:26, 3:22, Psa 110:1, Isa 6:8, Act 17:29, Rom 1:20, Col 2:9.
Ever notice how Mormons constantly say, "We believe...." What one believes doesn't matter. What I believe doesn't count. What they believe doesn't count. What counts is what God says in his Word. Open the Bible and find out what GOD believes!
No they certainly are not if I said the sun was hot and you said it was cold could we both be right? Christianity regects the Mormon gospel because it doesn't add up in so many ways just like the jahovas witnesses don't. U needa find the true Jesus your eternal warfare depends on it
But it isn't clear in the bible nor does it teach any where in the bible about the trinity so that is something you could pray to know if it is true. You can also pray to know if a prophet is called of God or not. You can also pray to know if a man's interpretation of the Bible is accurate or not since there are so many churches that believe in the Bible but interpret it differently. You can also pray to know if LDS are Christian because they are.
@peaceliberty4all We shouldn't pray to know if someone elses interpretation is accurate, we should read it ourselves. The point being (And I'm saying this not only to Mormon's, and Jehovah's Witnesses, but also protestants) that if you were to have no prior knowledge of the Bible or Jesus and you were stuck on an island with a Bible and read it front to back. What beliefs would you end up having about it? Most likely not that there are many God's, that God had sex with Mary, etc.
@shipleyshipster If I were on an island reading the Bible for the first time I would still believe God/Christ/ Holy Ghost are 3 seperate beings, that belief comes from my study of the bible not being mormon. And I know many who were raised with the trinity doctrine who had great doubts about it when they read the Bible.
@peaceliberty4all You may be right, I'm not counting that out. But there are a multitude of Mormon beliefs that would fall in the same category. A multitude. Such as that there is more than one God, or that the BOM is ok when the Bible says that it's the FINAL revelation and anyone who brings a different message should be condemned, or that God had sex with Mary, or that Satan is Jesus' brother, etc etc etc. I could go on for a long time. They just aren't good exegetical beliefs.
@shipleyshipster Where does it say that the Bible is the final revelation? The BOM is not different message, it is the same message to a different people. LDS don't teach that God had sex with Mary.
hey watch out ! mormonism is a very sneaky and decieving cult and they are not biblicle christains the book of mormon is in direct conflict to the bible they are worshiping a faulse jesus and are leading many to there eternal damnation to hell. some of them are very nice but very well skamed out. check out way of the master mormonism that will show you more the teachings of joseph smith cant save only the finished work of jesus christ on the cross repent turn from sin and trust in christ alone
@mollymu1 I don't think they make their living attacking other churches! They're just defending the JESUS of the BIBLE, who is the manifestation given for our finite minds of the INFINITE GOD! SOoo Jesus IS the Father, Son &Holy Spirit: ALMIGHTY GOD, all wrapped up in one (Isaiah9:6 fulfilled)!
An adolescent Joseph Smith led people astray by saying he'd seen them both separate &distinct in his first vision (NOT first version, however~ he'd tried several before settling on that particular one).
@going4truth They could care less about the Savior . They are evil men making money off of you . All wrapped up in one purpose but not the same body .
I would like to point out the fact that if mormonism is based on what people feel. My girlfriends dad is mormon. He has an emotional dissorder. How are mormons able to say that I "feel" like this is right if WE ARE THE SINNERS. We are the people that have so many flaws. And we are supposed to feel that things are correct. The prophets do things based on INTERPRETATION. But they are HUMANS with flaws. Just like all other normal people. Born sinners. God is the ONLY perfect being.
My Lord have mercy 4 million mormons they wont even drink tea or coffee.. God help us Jesus these people are confussed they forget what the word says.. The bible says Rev last chapter if you take away from the word of this book or add too your name shall be blotted out of the lambs book of life.. Their false prophet wrote a new bible called the book of mormon it should have been called the book of morons
Dr Walter Martin you are full of BS when it comes to saying that which ever angelic being that might have taught Joseph Smith, such as the angelic being the Angle Moroni, would not teach the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The Gospel of Moroni can be seen in the Book of Mormon and is the Gospel of Jesus Christ just as much as the Bible is. Oh and it was really big of not to let the Mormon representatives respond to the last comment by Dr. Walter Martin. The Angle Moroni's mortal life recorded in B. M.
Mormons DO NOT believe: ONE ETERNAL GOD; Jesus is God in the flesh; forgiveness and salvation is achieved through faith alone... There cannot be Christian as a result. They are Smithian.
@54v115 We're Christians. Your ignorance doesn't change that. Like the 1st part of our 1st Article of Faith says, we believe in God the ETERNAL Father. Jesus is our Lord our God because he's the Son of the only true God. And yes, Jesus said the Father is the only true God.
@majinish Faith without works is dead is an interesting point. This actually coincides with what Paul said in Romans. You see you are not saved by works. You are saved by GRACE through FAITH alone. Grace is "unmerited" favor. This means you don't have to WORK for it. However what James is saying is this. If you say you have a saving faith but you don't have any works, which are the fruit of a saving faith, then you don't really have a saving faith. It doesn't mean you work your way to salvation.
@KakkoiGuy1 Since Jesus said to do works of righteousness and following his commandments is a work that should show how important they are. I'm pretty sure Jesus wasn't kidding when he said to do good works.
@majinish Yes. However your works don't save you. What were the commandments that Jesus left us? This is a very important question that mormons always get wrong. Please tell me the commandments that we are to follow...
It simply means that if you have a saving faith, the fruit of that saving faith will be works. You'll do the works because you are saved and because your heart has been changed genuinely by Jesus. The LDS church says that you have to work your way to salvation. This is not the gospel of Jesus Christ. Furthermore if you read your Journal of Discourses, Brigham Young says that Lucifer set man free and that Adam was God. He taught false doctrine and luciferianism (he was a freemason) so was he a
@KakkoiGuy1 No that's not what we teach. But you do need to read Mark 16:16. Those that believe AND are baptized are saved. Baptism is a work. And again with the Adam-God thing. Good thing I've read 1 Corinthians 15 about how Jesus is also called the 2nd Adam.
@majinish Furthermore water baptism doesn't save you either. The baptism of Jesus was that of the Holy Ghost which was baptism of the fire of the Spirit. :) Yes. Brigham did teach Adam God. It's in the LDS records on lds.org and journal of discourses. He taught this and if you were LDS at the time that he was prophet, you would have believed this. The problem is that Briggy was not a true prophet but you won't say that because to say that would mean the prophets led you astray with falsehood.
So as you can see I do alot of talking to Mormons. I'm not your typical christian that's on here that doesn't know Mormon doctrine and teachings. I live in the heart of Salt Lake so I am very close to it. Jesus is called the 2nd Adam because Adam was without sin until his fall. Jesus was in Flesh which mean that Jesus (although God) was a man too. And he was without sin just like Adam was. The context of the scripture is important. This doesn't mean Adam was God like the LDS taught.
The theif on the cross wasn't baptized, didn't adhere to the ordinances, didn't believe joseph smith was a true prophet, didn't do works in the temple, didn't do secret handshakes and call on sacred names of wives, didn't do any of the works that LDS doctrine teaches you have to do to get into the "celestrial kingdom" (mormon heaven) but he was saved and was with Jesus after death. So there you have it.
@KakkoiGuy1 Yet another person with attempting to use the thief argument. No, it doesn't say the thief went to Heaven. The scriptures prove he didn't. Jesus said, when they were on the cross, that the thief would be with Jesus that same day in paradise. When Jesus resurrected he told Mary he hadn't went to the Father and the Father is in Heaven. Since Jesus didn't go to Heaven yet and he told the thief he'd be where Jesus would be how can the thief go to Heaven since that's not where Jesus went?
@majinish Yeah it does! See the Holy Bible, Luke 23:32-43, they will be with him in paradise. How can you get this mixed up? Also, I got a question for the LDS's, if faith is dead without works, then why do we need grace? If we are judged on our works, then why did Jesus die on the cross for us? Obviously if you say, that works need to be done to reach salvation, you must be sorrowly mistaken....
@coach8401 No, those verses do not say Jesus went to Heaven. Jesus told Mary he hadn't went to the Father yet and the Father is in Heaven so since he didn't go where the Father is that means he didn't go to Heaven. He went and taught the spirits in prison.
@"How can you get this mixed up"
I don't know. You tell me since you seem to do a good job of getting it mixed up.
@majinish How can this happen, if the bible clearly mentions that immediately following death, comes judgment (Hebrews 9:27). The spritual condition in which a person dies (prepared/unprepared) is that which he will possess at the time of the general resurrection (Matthew 25:1-12). in 2 Peter 2:5 is says clearly that He (The Lord) was operating through NOAH, a preacher of righteousness.
@coach8401 Not exactly. It says judgment comes after death, not right after. the Bible speaks of Judgment Day and certain prophecies that will be fulfilled before this happens. That's one reason why Judgment Day does not take place immediately after death.
@majinish How does it not happen, when it's in the verses right there. Judgment Day is gonna be for those Christians which are still here on earth and will be extracted from earth before the final days.
@coach8401 @"The spritual condition in which a person dies (prepared/unprepared) is that which he will possess at the time of the general resurrection"
Jesus proved otherwise when he went and taught to the spirits in prison.
@coach8401 @"The constant rejection of Christ and dieing in disbelief"
That statement has proven you don't quite know the scriptures. Jesus himself said blasphemy against him and the Father is forgivable. THE unforgivable sin the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost.
@majinish The rejection of Christ is the same as the holy spirit. It's a trinity, Father, Son, & Holy Spirit. You say I don't know the scriptures? Again, us Christians love the LDS's, but we have to speak up when you all speak false doctrine. Mormon's look like us, talk like us, walk like us, but are not us. You all are wolves dressed as sheep. I have yet run into a Mormon, which tries to speak of God by using the Holy Bible. They use the BOM. By the way, which version do you have?
@coach8401 And you call yourself an apologist? No, there's not a trinity. What don't you understand? Jesus said blasphemy against him and the Father is forgivable while blasphemy against the Holy Ghost isn't.
@"Again, us Christians love the LDS's, but we have to speak up when you all speak false doctrine."
We teach the truth.
@"They use the BOM. By the way, which version do you have?"
I'll answer after you tell me which of the 91 versions of the Bible you use.
@majinish Sorry I haven't replied, I've been busy. Anyway, Christ said he is with us always in Matthew 28:20, how can that be if it's the Holy Spirit in us? The whole time it talks about, "we" throughout the bible. He came down as God in flesh. If you say this, then when we leave, our spirit is different since it is out of our body? According to you, you make Godhood seem achievable. Christ died for our sins, not so we can achieve Godhood.
@coach8401 He died for our sins and yes; those that are followers of Christ will be partakers in divine nature. Of course if you don't believe it that's your problem since what I just said comes from the Bible.
@majinish Hold on, you're trying to tell me of following Christ, when Mormon's go asking if you want to talk about Christ, but then start quoting Joseph Smith and his teachings? The bible itself that no books should be added or taken away, but you all don't take that seriously, as those are just words, not God's authoritative words.
@coach8401 "The bible itself that no books should be added or taken away"
Oh geez. You're one of those that try to use Revelation 22:18-19. Those verses have nothing to do with the Book of Mormon. Those verses are talking about Revelation alone. Revelation was written before the gospel of John was.
@majinish Lol, typical argument, you sound like an athiest arguing against a theist here. Anyway, I have the KJV, NIV, Life Application, & Living Traslation. All say the same thing, just all are translated for one's understanding. Tell me, what's the difference if I ask you, were you speeding or driving fast? Anyway, the bible's are not different as the BOM say's some things in one version and leaves them out totally different in another. So, which one do you have?
@majinish Yes, just like math, science, etc... there are different ways to arrive at one conclusion. Ex. If you multiply 4x4 or add 4 4 times to itself, it says the same thing and you arrive at the same conclusion. As the Book of Mormon, you say are corrections and mispellings, but yet you read two different years, and stuff is let out, now why is that?
@coach8401 To clarify what the Book of Mormon says. After all, there are different ways to arrive at one conclusion. It says the same thing and you arrive at the same conclusion.
@coach8401 @"If we are judged on our works, then why did Jesus die on the cross for us?"
I'll answer that one since it says pretty much the same thing your 1st question says or at least the answer is the same. And Revelation 20:13-14 is direct, not implicit. We'll be judged by our works. Jesus even said to do works of righteousness. The reason to do good works is because Jesus said so. Jesus died on the cross so that we can be saved. (Continue)
@majinish Negative, the dead meaning the unbelievers (Non-Christians) will be judged on their works. According to Romans 4:13 talking about Abraham's salvation from his faith, not his works. Clearly, nothing one can do on his own, can save you. You need Christ, but your works are attributed to the Holy Spirit (Ghost), not you. There is only 1 unforgivable sin, which you should know, and that's the only thing that God does not forgive. It's there in black & white.
@coach8401 It does indeed mean the dead. Also go to Revelation 22:12. Christ will render to EVERY man according to what they have done. 2 Corinthians 5:10 teaches the same thing.
@majinish Exactly, but you are forgiven if you repented from those sins and accepted Christ into your heart. It's all about grace my friend. It's not what you have done, what you sacrifice, what you think, it's God's grace which saves us and allows us to be forgiven of our sins. God's gift to us, which we accept or deny. Nothing else, these scriptures are simply telling of man who have accepted him or not, see 2 Corinthians 5:2 guranteeing what is to come - salvation!
@majinish Jesus said if you repent, he will forgive all sins. Judged on works yes, but not in regards to salvation. If you accepted Christ, or should I say the Holy Ghost in your heart, you are saved. But yes he judges us on our works, but not for salvation. The Lord looks at your heart. He know's who plays Church and who wants to learn his word. And his word is listed in the Holy Bible, no where else!
@coach8401 @"If you accepted Christ, or should I say the Holy Ghost in your heart, you are saved"
Accepting Christ means to follow his teachings as well. A big one is baptism (John 3:5).
@"And his word is listed in the Holy Bible, no where else!"
In other words you believe in limiting what God says. The Bible proves the Book of Mormon is true so you create yourself a problem by saying the Bible is all there is. Do you also not agree with the Dead Sea Scrolls?
@coach8401 (Continue) However, we're to repent of our sins. If people don't repent of their sins then they're ignoring the atonement. Before the crucifixion people would make offerings to atone for sin. The atonement of Christ allows us to simply ask for forgiveness instead of making an offering.
@majinish I agree, we are to repent of our sins, which we do as Christian's to be forgiven from our sins. That's what God wants. It's no shock to God that we sin, it's us as sinners which got him crucified. I agree with you on the atonement as well, those sacrifices were when we were under the law, but Christ came and fulfilled the law by sacrifycing himself for our crimes against God.
@majinish Well, it's not only there so we might ask God through Christ forgiveness for our sins, but so that we have a relationship with God. That's why he came down in the flesh, and died for us. This is because he loves us so much! Now, mormonism cannot be Christian as it teaches various things which are anti-christ and go against the bible.
@coach8401 @"Now, mormonism cannot be Christian as it teaches various things which are anti-christ and go against the bible"
A typical, and incorrect, statement from an anti-mormon. Yes, we're Christians. We teach Jesus Christ's teachings and we do teach what the Bible teaches.
@majinish No you're not, the mormon group is a cult movement teaching things that are not biblical and not teaching Jesus's teachings. The first thing you say is wanna talk about Jesus Christ, which then you get into the Book of Mormon and then teach about Joseph Smith and his teachings. I have a friend who is an Ex-Mormon and he himself said it's a cult. I am an apologist and have looked deep and hard into Mormonism.
@majinish Lol, shut down my comments, no, you avoid them and try to twist the verses to fit what you believe. Tell me now, Jospeh Smith was a true prophet to you all. Do you know how he came across in creating the book of Mormon? Also, there is not historical evidence for the book of Mormon. From weaponry, to territory, to technology, to tribes/people, it's all negative.
@coach8401 I haven't twisted anything once although you seem to do a good job of that. He didn't create the Book of Mormon.
"Also, there is not historical evidence for the book of Mormon"
Now I definitely wonder if you're an apologist. There's quite a lot of evidence for the Book of Mormon. Since the Bible is one of them and you say there's no evidence it seems as if you're denying the Bible.
@majinish Exactly, Joseph Smith did! The bible says in Deut. 12:32, Pro. 30: 5-6, & Rev. 22: 18-19, that you should not add or subtract from the bible and not accept any other teachings, but yet you do with the BOM, POGP, & D&C. If you have evidence for the BOM, what are they? Why is it that your BOM and other books are true, but not the Jehovah's Witnesses watchtower? You're trying to preach to me about evidence?
@coach8401 "that you should not add or subtract from the bible"
I went over this. Those verses do not say to not add to the Bible. The Bible didn't even exist then. The books of the New Testament were individuals at the time they were written. And using Deuteronomy and Proverbs hurts your case even more. Now you're saying the Bible is supposed to contain all of either 5 (with Deuteronomy) or 20 books (with Proverbs) and nothing more. Now you're denying the New Testament.
@majinish You read the Old Testament supports the New Testament, which you should know the difference, so it's supporting that, and for Rev. it is the last book, talking of end times. All you say is, oh you bring that out. Yes, I do, because why are you going to look at other books, when you have the Holy Bible? Why, take it from another prophet? The BOM was inspired by angel Moroni as the Quran was inspired by the angel Gabriel. Who's right?
@coach8401 "and for Rev. it is the last book, talking of end times"
The only reason it's last is because of what it talks about. It was not the last book of the New Testament written. It was one of the first. I went over this about 2 or 3 times already. Revelation 22:18-19 speaks about adding to Revelation itself, not the Bible. No real apologist will agree with you on Revelation 22.
@majinish So? Revelation is the last thing that happens, that the point. Where in the bible does it say that you can add to it? While we're at it, I'm waiting for the BOM History evidence. Also, I like how you briefly answer the things of the BOM and go back to the bible. Also, you never did answer me on how Joseph Smith came up with the BOM. Did you also know his history? He was doing all this while he was "divinly inspired from God."
@coach8401 You're still stuck on the Revelation 22 theory. You're putting the Bible over God when you say God can't speak anymore or when you say the Bible is all there is. The author of Revelation was simply saying what would happen in the end. Yes I'm aware as to how the Golden Plates were translated into the Book of Mormon.
@majinish I am not, as that is God's word! This is what he said to do, For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist (Luke: 21:15). Now, you have yet to come against God's word. Now, as for Reverlation, the last days are coming soon, and we're in the revelation period. How? You say it, but stop, how?
@majinish I'm lacking wisdom? Wow, your trying to defend a religion which believes in a propeht who was a complete mess. You have yet answer my question on Q: How did Joseph Smith create the BOM? All you answered was you knew. Also, you have yet to comment of my other question Q: Did the serpent not tell Eve that God did not want them to eat of the fruit as they will be like god, as their eyes will open & know good and evil. But yet you all teach, you can reach God hood, nice!
@majinish They were cast out so they wouldn't eat from the tree? They did, but they were casted out for disobeying God. That is straight from the old testament. Also, Followers will be partakers in divine nature, as in reaching salvation and being with God, not becoming God's yourselves. Christ died for us so that we can become Gods? No, to die for our sins.
@coach8401 No they didn't. They only ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. They were cast out so they wouldn't eat from the tree of life. There were 2 trees mentioned, not 1. You haven't given anything straight from the scriptures. What I've pointed out is in Genesis 3:22.
Partakers in divine nature meaning their being would become divine. Still waiting for you to show you know the scriptures.
@majinish Also, you believe there was a heavenly debate to whether Christ or Lucifer will be the savior for earth. Jesus was chosen, and those who sided with Jesus were born into white families, those who sided with Lucifer became demons, and those who were neutral, were CURSED WITH BLACK SKIN!!! How racist is this? These aren't holy words.
@coach8401 "You believe" When will you critics get that what you say isn't necessarily how we believe? The Bible speaks of a war in Heaven that took place and Lucifer became a fallen angel. Until you have some kind of answer you can't criticize what we say happened during the war.
@majinish Exactly, he was a fallen angel, he was not the brother of Christ and was created by God, but we don't criticize when it's the truth! You want to put Christ and Lucifer as brother's when that is clearly unbiblical. Here you might as well say that God is evil and sin too!
@coach8401 God the Father is God of all including angels. Satan was once an angel so he's still a spiritual son of God. Jesus also said the Father is his God, John 20. They have the same spiritual Father so yes, they are spiritual brothers. This comes from knowing the simple basics of the Bible as well as common sense.
@majinish Exactly, but the thing is, how can Jesus be the Son of God & an angel? If they are brother's Christ is held to the same level as Lucifer and is also the Son of God? Also, you say that Christ is not God, but yet you believe is a separte God that God the Father, so in saying that, Lucifer too, was also a son of God, but was then lowered to an angel status? Tell me, if you know this what is the difference from Jesus Christ to Christ Jesus?
@coach8401 "how can Jesus be the Son of God & an angel?"
That's not what I said. Jesus isn't an angel but he and Satan/Lucifer have the same spiritual Father.
"Also, you say that Christ is not God"
Never said that. Jesus is our Lord our God because he's the Son of the only true God. It seems like you enjoy accusing people of saying things they don't say.
@majinish I never said you said that, I was giving an illustration. I started to quote the mormon's, which you are, but saying Also, you say that Chist is not God, but yet you believe he is a separate God than God the father... Which you just affirmed! You believe in 3 different Gods, not 1 (which is a trininity). I accuse people of things I know and understand, and you actually confirmed it for me on this.
@coach8401 "You believe in 3 different Gods, not 1" No, we don't. We believe in one God who is God the Father. One Lord Jesus Christ. One Holy Ghost who is the third member of the Godhead. Jesus is our Lord our God because he's the Son of the only true God which is the Father. That's one God, God's Son, and the Holy Ghost.
"which is a trininity" There's no such thing as a "trinity" God. The Bible doesn't speak of such a concept.
@majinish Yes you do, God is is monotheistic God. If not, then you believe in the trinity, but in 3 different entities? How can this happen? Christ said himself that he would be with us, but yet how can he if that's where the holy spirit or ghost is? This doesn't make sense. And the bible constantly mentions God in a trinitarian form when it contstantly speaks of "we". So if you look at it like this, Jesus Christ was just a really good man.
@coach8401 Yes, there is only one God, not 3-in-1. He's not a Transformer toy. When will you people get over yourselves? No, we do not believe in what you claim. We believe in ONE God who is taught of in the scriptures, not in the concept created by the trinity crap.
"And the bible constantly mentions God in a trinitarian form when it contstantly speaks of "we""
Off as usual. That's not trinitarian. Not even close.
@majinish I didn't say he was a transformer toy. You're putting him on that level to make me look like that what I think of him. God is God, he can do whatever he wants. He is omnipresent. He can become whatever he wants, like he did coming in mans flesh, fulfilling the law for our sins and being put to death from us sinners. When it says we, what do you think? It's one person? The bible mentions our spirit leave the body, but the body will later be united with our spirit in heaven
"When it says we, what do you think? It's one person"
It's God talking about Himself and others they being Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost. He's not talking about them in that trinitarian sense since the trinity is something Jesus never taught nor did the apostles and prophets.
@majinish So, the in the name of the Father (God), the Son (Christ - God in flesh), and the Holy Spirit (God in your heart), is not the biblical teaching? Wow, seems like the LDS's are the only one' s who hold to this notion. So far off field the Mormon's are. So why are you all right, but not the Seventh-Day Adventists for teaching God inspired messages of Ellen G. White?
@coach8401 Baptizing in all 3's name is biblical. That verse, I know the one you're talking about, isn't implying they're one single God. They are the Godhead. All that verse says, Matthew 28:19, is to baptize in all 3's name and nothing more. It doesn't say anything about the "trinity" concept. We teach the truth so no, we're not off. Trinitarians are. We're monotheistic Biblical Christians while you're a trinitarian traditional Christian.
@majinish So you are baptized in the names of two beings taht are not God? Also Jesus is Lord and not God when the Bible also says that there is only one Lord. And then thomas was wrong when he Called Jesus My Lord and My God. And the one that teaches men all truth is not God but the Holy Spirit. hmmm. It seems your God is strange and not very powerful or wise. There are other lords and other beings that either teach better or are smarter than YOUR god.
@MrBlackhaw We're baptized in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Since we're baptized in the name of the Father we're baptized in the name of God. You're not as accurate as you think. Yes, Thomas said that. Jesus referred to the Father as his, Jesus', God. Since the Father is Jesus' God then there's no possible way for the "trinity" concept to be right. I believe in the ONLY God there is who is Almighty.
@MrBlackhaw You critics sound really ignorant when you say "your God". We believe in the only God there is. We believe in who the Bible says is God and we believe in who the Book of Mormon says is God since they are the word of God and teach the same thing about God.
@MrBlackhaw We believe in the only true God there is. We believe in God the Father who is the only true God like Jesus himself said, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost. It's improper for you to say "your God" because we believe in THE one true God who the Bible and Book of Mormon speak of.
@majinish There's no difference? Christ means messiah, but yet means the anointed one. Now, if you say, Jesus Christ, it means messiah (suffering servant), but if you say Christ Jesus, it stands for anointed one, showing they recognized him as the savior of man. He is the only prophet & mediator between man & god as he is God! This is what you fail to understand. There is no other prophet which can be held to the Jesus's standard, which Mormon's do, believe, & teach.
@majinish No it wasn't, before the LDS's were teaching this, and now are teaching what you say, but are trying to move more and more away from it. Now why is that? Why is it that the Mormon teaching's are so different? Even your name has changed!
@majinish Wow, sounds like you don't know your religion too well. Back then, the mormon's would teach of those who remained neutral in the battle were "cursed" with black skin. A mark is the same thing, look at Cain & Abel, where Cain had to walk around with a mark (curse marking what he had done) on his forehead. Jeez, and you say I don't know what I'm talking about. Again, what's the difference from speeding and driving fast? You have yet to anwer that question. You pull out verses to twist'em
@coach8401 Being cut off from God was the curse, not the skin. Went over that.
"You have yet to anwer that question. You pull out verses to twist'em" In other words you don't like the fact that I agree with the scriptures and disagree with you.
@majinish You cannot become Gods. In Genisis, where Adam and Eve were tempted by the serpent, he said that they would become Gods, that that is why God didn't want them to eat of the tree. Now, You believe the same thing, when this is was why Adam & Eve were kicked out of the Garden of Eden. You yourselves teach that as Christ was man who became God, you too can become Gods! How unbiblical is that! If you want me to bring out more about mormonism, I will be happy to.
@coach8401 "this is was why Adam & Eve were kicked out of the Garden of Eden"
You call yourself an apologist yet you say eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil is why Adam and Eve were cast out of Eden? You can't even read what the scriptures say. No, what they already ate had nothing to do with being cast out.
@majinish Lol, you call yourself a follower of Christ? Does it not say that they were tempted from the serpent, were told they could become Gods and see, and they disobeyed God. How is this me not knowing the scriptures. You telling that I don't know the scriptures is a negative debate. Huge failure on your part.
@coach8401 Eve was tempted by the serpent, Adam went along with it. They disobeyed God but again, that's not why they were cast out. It's you not knowing the scriptures because Genesis 3:22 gives the exact reason why they were cast out and it has nothing to do with what they already ate. They were cast out so they wouldn't eat from the tree of life because if they did they'd never die. It was because of what they could have ate, not what they already eaten.
@majinish Yes, for disobeying God, I agree with the verse, it's right there. But you avoid the point where the Serpent promised Eve what? You keep ignoring the issue, where the serpent told her about becoming a God. NO? This is what you teach too, that you can become a God too. Deny any of this, you deny mormon teachings. This is why you get baptized, get married in the temple to another mormon, etc... Answer the top question.
@coach8401 "I agree with the verse" No you don't. By disobeying God they had became aware of what would happen if they ate from the fruit of life. They were cast out simply so they wouldn't eat from the tree of life. It's not that hard to understand. I remember Genesis saying God said "They have become as one of us" after Eve and Adam ate the fruit. You can't give a debate about the scriptures because you don't even understand who God is let alone what the scriptures say.
@majinish I agree with the verse flat out, you don't, because you believe you can become God's! Again, you failed to recognize this and say again for like the 4th time that, I don't know the scriptures. When someone says that someone else knows something, and that's all they say, it's because they have been shut down and cannot come up with an argument.
@coach8401 "I agree with the verse flat out" Not once have you agreed with Genesis 3:22. They were cast out so they wouldn't eat from the tree of life and that's it.
"and say again for like the 4th time that, I don't know the scriptures"
Because you constantly show you do not know the scriptures nor do you even know the history around the scriptures. I've given nothing but facts. I have shown what the scriptures say while you're more ignorant than most critics I've come across.
@majinish Wow, again, is this the 5th time now? That I don't know the scripture? Ok, look, I know, I study, and I accept Christ of my savior. He is the way to salvation, but I don't go around teaching of a different prophet, and take his word (which has no evidence, which you continuely fail to produce and discuss) and take it for true. Joseph Smith was a liar, adulterer, attained the BOM from a form a witchcraft, and even boasted that he himself had more to boast about, even than Jesus!
@coach8401 Well it would help if you'd start knowing what the scriptures say.
"Ok, look, I know, I study, and I accept Christ of my savior" You have the "Christ of my Savior" part right and that's it. You don't know what you study. Jesus said to accept his messengers and Joseph Smith was a true prophet.
"more to boast about, even than Jesus" It was Jesus that said he'd have followers that would do more than what he did.
@majinish I know the scriptures, you just twist them to make the bible agree with the BOM and your religion. Where in the bible does it say to accept his messegers who speak of his word (The Holy Bible), not Joseph Smith. Messengers are Christians, not Mormon's who hold to the teachings of Joseph Smith. He was not. Where in the Bible does it say that his followers will have more to boast than what he did? How can anyone boast that they did more, when Jesus, God himself died for our sins?
@coach8401 "I know the scriptures" If you mean you know they exist then I agree. If you mean you know what they teach then no, you don't. His word is the Bible and Book of Mormon. You're like all critics. I really know the scriptures and you claim I twist them which I don't.
John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
@majinish Those are the only arguments Mormon's can pull out at the end. Like all the other 13 Mormon's I have debated, they just say, "And you call yourself and apologist" and "You don't know the scriptures." When people tell you that and nothing else, it's because they themselves don't know what to say. It's like a kid that has nothing else to say and just keeps saying, no, no, no.
@coach8401 As usual you're incorrect. You've demonstrated you don't know the scriptures, that's why I say you don't. It's because you prove you don't. Anyone that tries to use Revelation 22:18-19 to refute the Book of Mormon is ignorant. Go to Revelation 14:6 and read that. It's one of many verses that proves the Book of Mormon is true.
@majinish The eternal gospel is the Bible, this is when the word is heard at all four corners of the earth. It does not say that the angel comes with a different gospel. This proves the exact opposite and proves the BOM is a false book!
@coach8401 Wrong. It's not talking about the Bible since it wasn't delivered by an angel. If you believe it was then you're the only person that does. Revelation 14:6 is one of several verses that proves the Book of Mormon is true.
@majinish I already have, and it says the angel will bring his word (The Holy Bible), but you are putting it as the angel will bring the Book of Mormon, which you hold higher the true word of God. I cannot take the BOM for true as it was made from an untrue unholy prophet, and there is no evidence for which it can be based on. Evidence cannot be opinion. You have to compare the BOM to the Bible, not use it side by side. It conflicts! This is why you are wolves dressed as sheep
@coach8401 An angel didn't bring the Bible. The ancient prophets and scribes wrote the scriptures. The early church put them together and made them into the Bible. I hold the Book of Mormon equal to the Bible simply because it is. They are the word of God.
"there is no evidence for which it can be based on" Commented on this in another comment.
"You have to compare the BOM to the Bible, not use it side by side." Nope. They're to be used together.
@majinish Again, in the bible it says no one shall boast, but yet Joseph Smith said that "he has more to boast than anyone", he supposively created a church that no one left him, yet, but they did! How can this be biblical? It can't! Again, this proves again that the BOM does not go hand in hand with the bible but goes contrary to it. The bible doesn't contradict, but when man puts in his thoughts and decisions, that's when it contradicts.
@majinish (cont) Like I study daily multiple religions and have looked deep into mormonism. Let me know and I will draw up all I have on mormonism, and let you know why it's a cult and a false teaching. From the history to no biblical historical evidence, and even to the conflictions from all (4) Books which the LDS hold to. I have a friend who is an Ex-Mormon and left the LDS Church and became a Christian and all his friends turned their back on the guy. I though LDS teaches God's teachings?
@majinish Again, Mormon's don't teach the word of Jesus Christ, but the word of Joseph Smith. I have yet met a missionary who says, lets talk of Jesus Christ and use a bible. Instead they ask, "would you like to talk about Jesus Christ", me: Sure, ok, then they talk a bit of Christ, then turn to Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon. You speak of truth, as you know it is the truth, then you stir one away by speaking of false information. Oh, btw where are your historical facts for the BOM?
@coach8401 Yes, we do teach the teachings of Jesus Christ. The Book of Mormon testifies of who Christ is so you shouldn't have a problem with it.
"You speak of truth, as you know it is the truth" The only part you've gotten right is that I have spoken the truth.
"Oh, btw where are your historical facts for the BOM?" Nahom, the Bible, Hebrew language connection to Native Americans, ancient temples in South America, Saudi Arabia, etc. It's a lengthy list.
@majinish I do, because that's not God's words, those are from a false prophet. Test the Bible to the Book of Mormon and they conflict. This is why you testify the Bible, then go to the Book of Mormon. But, never at the same time. Let's look at them side by side. Where'd you find this information? All historians and archaeologists don't find these true. The Bible testifies the falsehood of the BOM, Nahom is not proven, it's LDS archaeologists which just think that's where it is
@coach8401 The Book of Mormon is, as is the Bible, the word of God and nothing less.
'Test the Bible to the Book of Mormon and they conflict"
I have and guess what, I know they don't conflict. I already told you that. The Bible proves the Book of Mormon is true.
"Nahom is not proven" Yea, it has. You say you want evidence and I bring up a piece of evidence and you brush it aside. If you don't evidence just say so.
@majinish Nahom, has been rejected from many historians as it still cannot be proven. Also, the ancient temples in South American & Saudia Arabia? How does that prove to the BOM? Which evidence? Everything in the bible can be located right off the bat, but the BOM has still not been proven on these points. These archaeologists were LDS's who submitted then in, and Jewish historians & scientists rejected this a true location.
@coach8401 Found in the east with the letters NHM in the same place the Book of Mormon says it would be and it's also a burial site just as the Book of Mormon says. You want prove and I gave you proof. Now you're denying it. Nahom is proof just as the temples in South America tell of a bearded white God that came from the heavens and promised he would return (2nd Coming).
@coach8401 How do you explain the names of Nephi, Lehi, and Sam (Nephi's brother) being found in Saudi Arabia which is part of the journey they took? How about the Lihyanites in Arabia? The name "Lehi" was spread all over the Frankincense trail which is considered fertile. The Book of Mormon states they traveled in a fertile area. I'm reading an article about it right now.
@majinish Another thing, why teach of Christ when you hold to the teachings of Joseph Smith. Again, I will bring out all the evidence (still in existence today) on him showing how he got your BOM and what happended to him.There is a difference from Paul or Saul of Taursas, to Joseph Smith. If you need clarification between this, I will let you know. Again, you never answered the question about your alls name? Do you remember the 2 previous names your church was called?
@coach8401 We teach of Jesus Christ. Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God just as Isaiah, Ezekiel, and the prophets old were of God. Sure do know those names. And? The name has changed but the church has always been Jesus Christ's church.
@majinish I know those words, I know their books but there was no Joseph Smith in the biblical times! He was so far off! The LDS Church didn't even start till 1830ad in Upstate New York. I understand it changed, that's not what I'm asking you, I'm asking do you know your 2 previous names? How could it have always been the church of Jesus Christ when it started so late?
@coach8401 Jesus Christ's church started when he was on the earth. The apostasy happened, and yes, it did happen. The Bible proves this. His gospel would have to be restored (Acts 3:20-21; Revelation 14:6).
@majinish His holy prophets are Christians, not another gospel. Apostasy is to fall from the truth, which is what you all are doing, this is why we hold so strongly to it! Revelation 14:6 is an angel flying through with the gospel, which is the bible. How can it be the BOM? Also, you have the D&C & POGP to go off of. Those are definetely not writings of God, but yet you hold to those more than the bible!
@coach8401 We teach Jesus Christ's gospel, not another.
"How can it be the BOM?" Because it is. It fits perfectly. The Bible wasn't delivered by an angel. The Golden Plates were. Their contents were even described by Moroni, an angel, to be the everlasting gospel. The D&C and Pearl of Great Price are not held above the Bible but equal to it.
@coach8401 People often misuse verses that say we're not saved by works of the law. That's true. But look at those words. Works of the law. There's a difference between works of law and works of righteousness. If faith has no works of righteousness how is it faith since that faith is dead?
@majinish I agree, but that's why we repent. We are judged by our fruits. But, we will always sin, no matter what, but Christ paid the penalty for us, once for all! But, these works of righteousness I agree are good things, but they are done from the holy spirit (ghost), which we attribute them to. Not us! If you could rewrite the last question, I don't understand your last question? You put if faith has no works of righteousness how is faith since that faith is dead?
true prophet? He never prophesied anything true a day in his life. All of his so called prophecies failed him. And he spoke those things in the name of the Lord. He also said that all of his words could be taken as scripture because they came straight from God himself. I'm not saying this to bash you. I'm saying this because you need to seriously consider what LDS "prophets" have taught and do so in light of the Bible and you will see it's completely not Christian at all
@KakkoiGuy1 How wrong you are. Yes, prophecies he gave were fulfilled.
"He also said that all of his words could be taken as scripture"
A prophet of the Lord did say that but you might want to check again on exactly who it was that said this. Yes, we're Christians. We're true Biblical Christians.
@majinish My friend, Brigham Young said that. Let me tell you a little about me. I'm not hear to bash you. I live in downtown Salt Lake City. I have read mormon texts. I'm not an anti mormon. I love mormon people. However their doctrines and beliefs are not Christian. Just like Christians are not Mormons. You wouldn't consider me a mormon because I do not believe the things of mormonism. This is why Christians don't consider mormons Christians because they do not believe the things of the
If you want to know about Latter Day Saints (mormons) go to mormon.org. Not to people who aren't mormons
mindyourown56 1 week ago
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That's funny san
strongyang 1 week ago
@mindyourown56 Go to mormon dot org? I guess you missed the fact that there were Mormons...Mormon Reps in the video you are complaining about. The LDS church chose them as authority to speak on this program. Do you not trust these mormon men?
The Bible says NOT to trust your heart. The heart is wicked and desperatly wicked. The heart needs a overhaul and wont be completely right till we enter Glory.
NoneBeforeNoneAfter 1 week ago in playlist religon
@NoneBeforeNoneAfter i wasn't complaing about what the "mormon reps" had to say. They spent more time showing these people who weren't Latter Day Saints (mormons). A lot of people say "mormons do this" and "mormons to that" if they arent "mormons" then i don't think they really know. And of course i trust these men. But it is these other men and women who aren't mormon who are telling everyone what we are.
mindyourown56 5 days ago
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LDS are not christians there a cult
jayhawk88z 1 month ago
mormons are christian to if you dont believe mormons are christian you remember jesus said "judge not less you be judge"
sneeger95 1 month ago
@sneeger95 Mormons are not christians they are a cult
jayhawk88z 1 month ago
@sneeger95 did you even watch the entire video? watch 7:20- end
d10sturg 3 weeks ago
@sneeger95 Mormonism has the wrong Jesus. 1. Jesus Christ was 'always' One with the Father as the One True God. Nature of Jesus Christ was, is and will always be the same. God created ALL. God is Father and Son and Spirit (Relationship). There was no other God formed before him nor after him. ISAIAH 43:10. No need for new temples, prophets or sacrifices as the Veil of the Temple was torn, Salvation and Being Born Again gives total accees to the 'Holy of Holys'. Christ is the Temple
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dont bear false witness agent thy nieghbor
sneeger95 1 month ago
if you really love christ you should not debate
sneeger95 1 month ago
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MORMONISM IS NOT A CHRISTIAN RELIGION! FOLKS, BE CAREFUL THAT YOU ARE NOT LEAD IN TO THE DECEPTION OF THIS PROVEN FALSE RELIGION!
I read this book and highly reccomend it for everyone who is looking in to this blasphemous religion that can take your soul to hell. The author grew up in the Mormon Church and it is a completely FALSE RELIGION! Read the book CAN MITT ROMNEY SERVE TWO MASTERS?
certainlytruthful 1 month ago
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youneekk 1 month ago in playlist Mormons -VS- Christianity - DEBATE
All have sinned and greatly offended the holy God of the bible. The just punishment is death then hell. That's not Gods will. He suffered and died on the cross paying for the law you broke in His life's blood so He could legally dismiss your case. You must repent turn from sin and trust alone in Jesus Christ for your salvation.
mamainmancj 2 months ago
I find it funny debating with Mormons. Mostly because we can defend our faith by quotes from the Bible and point out things that prove the Book Mormon false and when they can't argue they say you're from the devil because one thing the Book of Mormon says is that anyone who goes against this is from the devil. The evidence of the Bible is undeniable. All things such as tribes, cities and people have proven to be true. The Book of Mormon on the other hand not so much.
smileydude12 2 months ago
They have a different jesus.
Shutterbug1000 2 months ago
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JediLDS 2 months ago
1830 its only 181 years old and the bible is how old???and has been right for how long thats right .
ElVatoLoco916 3 months ago in playlist More videos from SKYSPLASH
A pure FALSE prophet…according to the Word of God – The Bible
diesbl 3 months ago 2
What heresy coming from Mr. Henckley!! What arrogance!!
diesbl 3 months ago
By “ancient traditions” he is meaning ancient Biblical writings.
diesbl 3 months ago
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The LDS’S own “prophet” GORDEN B HENCKLEY SAID
“As a church, we have critics – many of them. They say we do not believe in the traditional Christ of Christianity. There is some substance to what they say. Our faith, our knowledge, is not based on ancient tradition…Our faith, our knowledge comes of the witness of a prophet in this dispensation…”
diesbl 3 months ago
When you understand why you believe in the Bible, you will understand why I also believe in the Book of Mormon
TheSkepticChristian 4 months ago
A comment earlier was that the Bible doesn't teach the Trinity anywhere; this is NOT true. The word "Trinity" is not found in the Bible, but then neither is "dinosaur", "atmosphere" or "galaxy", all things we know to exist. There are multiple of references pointing to the Trinity, such as Gen 1:1, 1:26, 3:22, Psa 110:1, Isa 6:8, Act 17:29, Rom 1:20, Col 2:9.
bigblick101 4 months ago
Ever notice how Mormons constantly say, "We believe...." What one believes doesn't matter. What I believe doesn't count. What they believe doesn't count. What counts is what God says in his Word. Open the Bible and find out what GOD believes!
bumperstickerguy 4 months ago
No they certainly are not if I said the sun was hot and you said it was cold could we both be right? Christianity regects the Mormon gospel because it doesn't add up in so many ways just like the jahovas witnesses don't. U needa find the true Jesus your eternal warfare depends on it
mamainmancj 4 months ago
But it isn't clear in the bible nor does it teach any where in the bible about the trinity so that is something you could pray to know if it is true. You can also pray to know if a prophet is called of God or not. You can also pray to know if a man's interpretation of the Bible is accurate or not since there are so many churches that believe in the Bible but interpret it differently. You can also pray to know if LDS are Christian because they are.
peaceliberty4all 5 months ago
@peaceliberty4all We shouldn't pray to know if someone elses interpretation is accurate, we should read it ourselves. The point being (And I'm saying this not only to Mormon's, and Jehovah's Witnesses, but also protestants) that if you were to have no prior knowledge of the Bible or Jesus and you were stuck on an island with a Bible and read it front to back. What beliefs would you end up having about it? Most likely not that there are many God's, that God had sex with Mary, etc.
shipleyshipster 4 months ago
@shipleyshipster If I were on an island reading the Bible for the first time I would still believe God/Christ/ Holy Ghost are 3 seperate beings, that belief comes from my study of the bible not being mormon. And I know many who were raised with the trinity doctrine who had great doubts about it when they read the Bible.
peaceliberty4all 4 months ago
@peaceliberty4all You may be right, I'm not counting that out. But there are a multitude of Mormon beliefs that would fall in the same category. A multitude. Such as that there is more than one God, or that the BOM is ok when the Bible says that it's the FINAL revelation and anyone who brings a different message should be condemned, or that God had sex with Mary, or that Satan is Jesus' brother, etc etc etc. I could go on for a long time. They just aren't good exegetical beliefs.
shipleyshipster 4 months ago
@shipleyshipster Where does it say that the Bible is the final revelation? The BOM is not different message, it is the same message to a different people. LDS don't teach that God had sex with Mary.
peaceliberty4all 4 months ago
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hey watch out ! mormonism is a very sneaky and decieving cult and they are not biblicle christains the book of mormon is in direct conflict to the bible they are worshiping a faulse jesus and are leading many to there eternal damnation to hell. some of them are very nice but very well skamed out. check out way of the master mormonism that will show you more the teachings of joseph smith cant save only the finished work of jesus christ on the cross repent turn from sin and trust in christ alone
mamainmancj 5 months ago
mormon is a cult.
joseph smith is a master mason.
mason is a cult
zaibot123 5 months ago
Remember these people make their living on attacking other Churches. We in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints are mainly volunteers .
mollymu1 5 months ago
@mollymu1 I don't think they make their living attacking other churches! They're just defending the JESUS of the BIBLE, who is the manifestation given for our finite minds of the INFINITE GOD! SOoo Jesus IS the Father, Son &Holy Spirit: ALMIGHTY GOD, all wrapped up in one (Isaiah9:6 fulfilled)!
An adolescent Joseph Smith led people astray by saying he'd seen them both separate &distinct in his first vision (NOT first version, however~ he'd tried several before settling on that particular one).
going4truth 5 months ago
@going4truth They could care less about the Savior . They are evil men making money off of you . All wrapped up in one purpose but not the same body .
mollymu1 5 months ago
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Feel sorry for this guy . He would of been so much happier to of been born back in the 1800's so he could of been in the mobs.
mollymu1 5 months ago
I would like to point out the fact that if mormonism is based on what people feel. My girlfriends dad is mormon. He has an emotional dissorder. How are mormons able to say that I "feel" like this is right if WE ARE THE SINNERS. We are the people that have so many flaws. And we are supposed to feel that things are correct. The prophets do things based on INTERPRETATION. But they are HUMANS with flaws. Just like all other normal people. Born sinners. God is the ONLY perfect being.
Rocker6458 5 months ago 2
My Lord have mercy 4 million mormons they wont even drink tea or coffee.. God help us Jesus these people are confussed they forget what the word says.. The bible says Rev last chapter if you take away from the word of this book or add too your name shall be blotted out of the lambs book of life.. Their false prophet wrote a new bible called the book of mormon it should have been called the book of morons
brianhi1110 6 months ago
Dr Walter Martin you are full of BS when it comes to saying that which ever angelic being that might have taught Joseph Smith, such as the angelic being the Angle Moroni, would not teach the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The Gospel of Moroni can be seen in the Book of Mormon and is the Gospel of Jesus Christ just as much as the Bible is. Oh and it was really big of not to let the Mormon representatives respond to the last comment by Dr. Walter Martin. The Angle Moroni's mortal life recorded in B. M.
sampton7454 7 months ago 2
Mormons DO NOT believe: ONE ETERNAL GOD; Jesus is God in the flesh; forgiveness and salvation is achieved through faith alone... There cannot be Christian as a result. They are Smithian.
54v115 7 months ago
@54v115 We're Christians. Your ignorance doesn't change that. Like the 1st part of our 1st Article of Faith says, we believe in God the ETERNAL Father. Jesus is our Lord our God because he's the Son of the only true God. And yes, Jesus said the Father is the only true God.
majinish 7 months ago
@54v115 You need to read 2 James. Faith is dead without works. You critics ignore that.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish Faith without works is dead is an interesting point. This actually coincides with what Paul said in Romans. You see you are not saved by works. You are saved by GRACE through FAITH alone. Grace is "unmerited" favor. This means you don't have to WORK for it. However what James is saying is this. If you say you have a saving faith but you don't have any works, which are the fruit of a saving faith, then you don't really have a saving faith. It doesn't mean you work your way to salvation.
KakkoiGuy1 7 months ago
@KakkoiGuy1 Since Jesus said to do works of righteousness and following his commandments is a work that should show how important they are. I'm pretty sure Jesus wasn't kidding when he said to do good works.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish Yes. However your works don't save you. What were the commandments that Jesus left us? This is a very important question that mormons always get wrong. Please tell me the commandments that we are to follow...
KakkoiGuy1 7 months ago
It simply means that if you have a saving faith, the fruit of that saving faith will be works. You'll do the works because you are saved and because your heart has been changed genuinely by Jesus. The LDS church says that you have to work your way to salvation. This is not the gospel of Jesus Christ. Furthermore if you read your Journal of Discourses, Brigham Young says that Lucifer set man free and that Adam was God. He taught false doctrine and luciferianism (he was a freemason) so was he a
KakkoiGuy1 7 months ago
@KakkoiGuy1 No that's not what we teach. But you do need to read Mark 16:16. Those that believe AND are baptized are saved. Baptism is a work. And again with the Adam-God thing. Good thing I've read 1 Corinthians 15 about how Jesus is also called the 2nd Adam.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish Furthermore water baptism doesn't save you either. The baptism of Jesus was that of the Holy Ghost which was baptism of the fire of the Spirit. :) Yes. Brigham did teach Adam God. It's in the LDS records on lds.org and journal of discourses. He taught this and if you were LDS at the time that he was prophet, you would have believed this. The problem is that Briggy was not a true prophet but you won't say that because to say that would mean the prophets led you astray with falsehood.
KakkoiGuy1 7 months ago
So as you can see I do alot of talking to Mormons. I'm not your typical christian that's on here that doesn't know Mormon doctrine and teachings. I live in the heart of Salt Lake so I am very close to it. Jesus is called the 2nd Adam because Adam was without sin until his fall. Jesus was in Flesh which mean that Jesus (although God) was a man too. And he was without sin just like Adam was. The context of the scripture is important. This doesn't mean Adam was God like the LDS taught.
KakkoiGuy1 7 months ago
@KakkoiGuy1 "And he was without sin just like Adam was."
Adam disobeyed God by partaking of the fruit. Disobedience to God is sin.
majinish 7 months ago
The theif on the cross wasn't baptized, didn't adhere to the ordinances, didn't believe joseph smith was a true prophet, didn't do works in the temple, didn't do secret handshakes and call on sacred names of wives, didn't do any of the works that LDS doctrine teaches you have to do to get into the "celestrial kingdom" (mormon heaven) but he was saved and was with Jesus after death. So there you have it.
KakkoiGuy1 7 months ago
@KakkoiGuy1 Yet another person with attempting to use the thief argument. No, it doesn't say the thief went to Heaven. The scriptures prove he didn't. Jesus said, when they were on the cross, that the thief would be with Jesus that same day in paradise. When Jesus resurrected he told Mary he hadn't went to the Father and the Father is in Heaven. Since Jesus didn't go to Heaven yet and he told the thief he'd be where Jesus would be how can the thief go to Heaven since that's not where Jesus went?
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish Yeah it does! See the Holy Bible, Luke 23:32-43, they will be with him in paradise. How can you get this mixed up? Also, I got a question for the LDS's, if faith is dead without works, then why do we need grace? If we are judged on our works, then why did Jesus die on the cross for us? Obviously if you say, that works need to be done to reach salvation, you must be sorrowly mistaken....
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 No, those verses do not say Jesus went to Heaven. Jesus told Mary he hadn't went to the Father yet and the Father is in Heaven so since he didn't go where the Father is that means he didn't go to Heaven. He went and taught the spirits in prison.
@"How can you get this mixed up"
I don't know. You tell me since you seem to do a good job of getting it mixed up.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish How can this happen, if the bible clearly mentions that immediately following death, comes judgment (Hebrews 9:27). The spritual condition in which a person dies (prepared/unprepared) is that which he will possess at the time of the general resurrection (Matthew 25:1-12). in 2 Peter 2:5 is says clearly that He (The Lord) was operating through NOAH, a preacher of righteousness.
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 Not exactly. It says judgment comes after death, not right after. the Bible speaks of Judgment Day and certain prophecies that will be fulfilled before this happens. That's one reason why Judgment Day does not take place immediately after death.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish How does it not happen, when it's in the verses right there. Judgment Day is gonna be for those Christians which are still here on earth and will be extracted from earth before the final days.
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 @"The spritual condition in which a person dies (prepared/unprepared) is that which he will possess at the time of the general resurrection"
Jesus proved otherwise when he went and taught to the spirits in prison.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish This was under the law, how can that be now, if that is the unforgivable sin? The constant rejection of Christ and dieing in disbelief!
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 @"The constant rejection of Christ and dieing in disbelief"
That statement has proven you don't quite know the scriptures. Jesus himself said blasphemy against him and the Father is forgivable. THE unforgivable sin the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish The rejection of Christ is the same as the holy spirit. It's a trinity, Father, Son, & Holy Spirit. You say I don't know the scriptures? Again, us Christians love the LDS's, but we have to speak up when you all speak false doctrine. Mormon's look like us, talk like us, walk like us, but are not us. You all are wolves dressed as sheep. I have yet run into a Mormon, which tries to speak of God by using the Holy Bible. They use the BOM. By the way, which version do you have?
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 And you call yourself an apologist? No, there's not a trinity. What don't you understand? Jesus said blasphemy against him and the Father is forgivable while blasphemy against the Holy Ghost isn't.
@"Again, us Christians love the LDS's, but we have to speak up when you all speak false doctrine."
We teach the truth.
@"They use the BOM. By the way, which version do you have?"
I'll answer after you tell me which of the 91 versions of the Bible you use.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish Sorry I haven't replied, I've been busy. Anyway, Christ said he is with us always in Matthew 28:20, how can that be if it's the Holy Spirit in us? The whole time it talks about, "we" throughout the bible. He came down as God in flesh. If you say this, then when we leave, our spirit is different since it is out of our body? According to you, you make Godhood seem achievable. Christ died for our sins, not so we can achieve Godhood.
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 He died for our sins and yes; those that are followers of Christ will be partakers in divine nature. Of course if you don't believe it that's your problem since what I just said comes from the Bible.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish Hold on, you're trying to tell me of following Christ, when Mormon's go asking if you want to talk about Christ, but then start quoting Joseph Smith and his teachings? The bible itself that no books should be added or taken away, but you all don't take that seriously, as those are just words, not God's authoritative words.
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 "The bible itself that no books should be added or taken away"
Oh geez. You're one of those that try to use Revelation 22:18-19. Those verses have nothing to do with the Book of Mormon. Those verses are talking about Revelation alone. Revelation was written before the gospel of John was.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish Lol, typical argument, you sound like an athiest arguing against a theist here. Anyway, I have the KJV, NIV, Life Application, & Living Traslation. All say the same thing, just all are translated for one's understanding. Tell me, what's the difference if I ask you, were you speeding or driving fast? Anyway, the bible's are not different as the BOM say's some things in one version and leaves them out totally different in another. So, which one do you have?
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 I believe in God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost so your "sound like an atheist" comment is ignorant to say the least.
@"All say the same thing, just all are translated for one's understanding"
If they're all for one's understanding and you have different ones then you believe a single verse to mean 4 different things.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish Yes, just like math, science, etc... there are different ways to arrive at one conclusion. Ex. If you multiply 4x4 or add 4 4 times to itself, it says the same thing and you arrive at the same conclusion. As the Book of Mormon, you say are corrections and mispellings, but yet you read two different years, and stuff is let out, now why is that?
coach8401 7 months ago
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@coach8401 To clarify what the Book of Mormon says. After all, there are different ways to arrive at one conclusion. It says the same thing and you arrive at the same conclusion.
majinish 7 months ago
@coach8401 I have the most recent. The corrections were spelling, punctuation, and grammar.
majinish 7 months ago
@coach8401 @"If we are judged on our works, then why did Jesus die on the cross for us?"
I'll answer that one since it says pretty much the same thing your 1st question says or at least the answer is the same. And Revelation 20:13-14 is direct, not implicit. We'll be judged by our works. Jesus even said to do works of righteousness. The reason to do good works is because Jesus said so. Jesus died on the cross so that we can be saved. (Continue)
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish Negative, the dead meaning the unbelievers (Non-Christians) will be judged on their works. According to Romans 4:13 talking about Abraham's salvation from his faith, not his works. Clearly, nothing one can do on his own, can save you. You need Christ, but your works are attributed to the Holy Spirit (Ghost), not you. There is only 1 unforgivable sin, which you should know, and that's the only thing that God does not forgive. It's there in black & white.
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 It does indeed mean the dead. Also go to Revelation 22:12. Christ will render to EVERY man according to what they have done. 2 Corinthians 5:10 teaches the same thing.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish Exactly, but you are forgiven if you repented from those sins and accepted Christ into your heart. It's all about grace my friend. It's not what you have done, what you sacrifice, what you think, it's God's grace which saves us and allows us to be forgiven of our sins. God's gift to us, which we accept or deny. Nothing else, these scriptures are simply telling of man who have accepted him or not, see 2 Corinthians 5:2 guranteeing what is to come - salvation!
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 @"but you are forgiven if you repented from those sins and accepted Christ into your heart"
Jesus taught that the Father will forgive whom He chooses to forgive.
@"It's not what you have done"
Yet all will be judged by their works.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish Jesus said if you repent, he will forgive all sins. Judged on works yes, but not in regards to salvation. If you accepted Christ, or should I say the Holy Ghost in your heart, you are saved. But yes he judges us on our works, but not for salvation. The Lord looks at your heart. He know's who plays Church and who wants to learn his word. And his word is listed in the Holy Bible, no where else!
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 @"If you accepted Christ, or should I say the Holy Ghost in your heart, you are saved"
Accepting Christ means to follow his teachings as well. A big one is baptism (John 3:5).
@"And his word is listed in the Holy Bible, no where else!"
In other words you believe in limiting what God says. The Bible proves the Book of Mormon is true so you create yourself a problem by saying the Bible is all there is. Do you also not agree with the Dead Sea Scrolls?
majinish 7 months ago
@coach8401 (Continue) However, we're to repent of our sins. If people don't repent of their sins then they're ignoring the atonement. Before the crucifixion people would make offerings to atone for sin. The atonement of Christ allows us to simply ask for forgiveness instead of making an offering.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish I agree, we are to repent of our sins, which we do as Christian's to be forgiven from our sins. That's what God wants. It's no shock to God that we sin, it's us as sinners which got him crucified. I agree with you on the atonement as well, those sacrifices were when we were under the law, but Christ came and fulfilled the law by sacrifycing himself for our crimes against God.
coach8401 7 months ago
@majinish Well, it's not only there so we might ask God through Christ forgiveness for our sins, but so that we have a relationship with God. That's why he came down in the flesh, and died for us. This is because he loves us so much! Now, mormonism cannot be Christian as it teaches various things which are anti-christ and go against the bible.
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 @"Now, mormonism cannot be Christian as it teaches various things which are anti-christ and go against the bible"
A typical, and incorrect, statement from an anti-mormon. Yes, we're Christians. We teach Jesus Christ's teachings and we do teach what the Bible teaches.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish No you're not, the mormon group is a cult movement teaching things that are not biblical and not teaching Jesus's teachings. The first thing you say is wanna talk about Jesus Christ, which then you get into the Book of Mormon and then teach about Joseph Smith and his teachings. I have a friend who is an Ex-Mormon and he himself said it's a cult. I am an apologist and have looked deep and hard into Mormonism.
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 Cult is a word used by ignorant people simply because you don't understand what we believe. Yes, we're the true Biblical Christians.
@"I am an apologist and have looked deep and hard into Mormonism."
So you're an apologist, big deal. So far I've managed to shut down your comments even though they're from a so-called apologist.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish Lol, shut down my comments, no, you avoid them and try to twist the verses to fit what you believe. Tell me now, Jospeh Smith was a true prophet to you all. Do you know how he came across in creating the book of Mormon? Also, there is not historical evidence for the book of Mormon. From weaponry, to territory, to technology, to tribes/people, it's all negative.
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 I haven't twisted anything once although you seem to do a good job of that. He didn't create the Book of Mormon.
"Also, there is not historical evidence for the book of Mormon"
Now I definitely wonder if you're an apologist. There's quite a lot of evidence for the Book of Mormon. Since the Bible is one of them and you say there's no evidence it seems as if you're denying the Bible.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish Exactly, Joseph Smith did! The bible says in Deut. 12:32, Pro. 30: 5-6, & Rev. 22: 18-19, that you should not add or subtract from the bible and not accept any other teachings, but yet you do with the BOM, POGP, & D&C. If you have evidence for the BOM, what are they? Why is it that your BOM and other books are true, but not the Jehovah's Witnesses watchtower? You're trying to preach to me about evidence?
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 "that you should not add or subtract from the bible"
I went over this. Those verses do not say to not add to the Bible. The Bible didn't even exist then. The books of the New Testament were individuals at the time they were written. And using Deuteronomy and Proverbs hurts your case even more. Now you're saying the Bible is supposed to contain all of either 5 (with Deuteronomy) or 20 books (with Proverbs) and nothing more. Now you're denying the New Testament.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish You read the Old Testament supports the New Testament, which you should know the difference, so it's supporting that, and for Rev. it is the last book, talking of end times. All you say is, oh you bring that out. Yes, I do, because why are you going to look at other books, when you have the Holy Bible? Why, take it from another prophet? The BOM was inspired by angel Moroni as the Quran was inspired by the angel Gabriel. Who's right?
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 "and for Rev. it is the last book, talking of end times"
The only reason it's last is because of what it talks about. It was not the last book of the New Testament written. It was one of the first. I went over this about 2 or 3 times already. Revelation 22:18-19 speaks about adding to Revelation itself, not the Bible. No real apologist will agree with you on Revelation 22.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish So? Revelation is the last thing that happens, that the point. Where in the bible does it say that you can add to it? While we're at it, I'm waiting for the BOM History evidence. Also, I like how you briefly answer the things of the BOM and go back to the bible. Also, you never did answer me on how Joseph Smith came up with the BOM. Did you also know his history? He was doing all this while he was "divinly inspired from God."
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 You're still stuck on the Revelation 22 theory. You're putting the Bible over God when you say God can't speak anymore or when you say the Bible is all there is. The author of Revelation was simply saying what would happen in the end. Yes I'm aware as to how the Golden Plates were translated into the Book of Mormon.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish I am not, as that is God's word! This is what he said to do, For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist (Luke: 21:15). Now, you have yet to come against God's word. Now, as for Reverlation, the last days are coming soon, and we're in the revelation period. How? You say it, but stop, how?
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 "For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist"
You have a mouth, you're just lacking in the wisdom department. You talk a lot but not about truth.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish I'm lacking wisdom? Wow, your trying to defend a religion which believes in a propeht who was a complete mess. You have yet answer my question on Q: How did Joseph Smith create the BOM? All you answered was you knew. Also, you have yet to comment of my other question Q: Did the serpent not tell Eve that God did not want them to eat of the fruit as they will be like god, as their eyes will open & know good and evil. But yet you all teach, you can reach God hood, nice!
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 We believe in Jesus Christ. We simply accept Jesus' messengers.
"But yet you all teach" They were cast out so they wouldn't eat from the tree of life. That comes straight from the Old Testament.
"But yet you all teach, you can reach God hood, nice!" And the New Testament says followers of Christ will be partakers in divine nature.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish They were cast out so they wouldn't eat from the tree? They did, but they were casted out for disobeying God. That is straight from the old testament. Also, Followers will be partakers in divine nature, as in reaching salvation and being with God, not becoming God's yourselves. Christ died for us so that we can become Gods? No, to die for our sins.
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 No they didn't. They only ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. They were cast out so they wouldn't eat from the tree of life. There were 2 trees mentioned, not 1. You haven't given anything straight from the scriptures. What I've pointed out is in Genesis 3:22.
Partakers in divine nature meaning their being would become divine. Still waiting for you to show you know the scriptures.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish Also, you believe there was a heavenly debate to whether Christ or Lucifer will be the savior for earth. Jesus was chosen, and those who sided with Jesus were born into white families, those who sided with Lucifer became demons, and those who were neutral, were CURSED WITH BLACK SKIN!!! How racist is this? These aren't holy words.
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 "You believe" When will you critics get that what you say isn't necessarily how we believe? The Bible speaks of a war in Heaven that took place and Lucifer became a fallen angel. Until you have some kind of answer you can't criticize what we say happened during the war.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish Exactly, he was a fallen angel, he was not the brother of Christ and was created by God, but we don't criticize when it's the truth! You want to put Christ and Lucifer as brother's when that is clearly unbiblical. Here you might as well say that God is evil and sin too!
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 God the Father is God of all including angels. Satan was once an angel so he's still a spiritual son of God. Jesus also said the Father is his God, John 20. They have the same spiritual Father so yes, they are spiritual brothers. This comes from knowing the simple basics of the Bible as well as common sense.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish Exactly, but the thing is, how can Jesus be the Son of God & an angel? If they are brother's Christ is held to the same level as Lucifer and is also the Son of God? Also, you say that Christ is not God, but yet you believe is a separte God that God the Father, so in saying that, Lucifer too, was also a son of God, but was then lowered to an angel status? Tell me, if you know this what is the difference from Jesus Christ to Christ Jesus?
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 "how can Jesus be the Son of God & an angel?"
That's not what I said. Jesus isn't an angel but he and Satan/Lucifer have the same spiritual Father.
"Also, you say that Christ is not God"
Never said that. Jesus is our Lord our God because he's the Son of the only true God. It seems like you enjoy accusing people of saying things they don't say.
There's no difference.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish I never said you said that, I was giving an illustration. I started to quote the mormon's, which you are, but saying Also, you say that Chist is not God, but yet you believe he is a separate God than God the father... Which you just affirmed! You believe in 3 different Gods, not 1 (which is a trininity). I accuse people of things I know and understand, and you actually confirmed it for me on this.
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 "You believe in 3 different Gods, not 1" No, we don't. We believe in one God who is God the Father. One Lord Jesus Christ. One Holy Ghost who is the third member of the Godhead. Jesus is our Lord our God because he's the Son of the only true God which is the Father. That's one God, God's Son, and the Holy Ghost.
"which is a trininity" There's no such thing as a "trinity" God. The Bible doesn't speak of such a concept.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish Yes you do, God is is monotheistic God. If not, then you believe in the trinity, but in 3 different entities? How can this happen? Christ said himself that he would be with us, but yet how can he if that's where the holy spirit or ghost is? This doesn't make sense. And the bible constantly mentions God in a trinitarian form when it contstantly speaks of "we". So if you look at it like this, Jesus Christ was just a really good man.
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 Yes, there is only one God, not 3-in-1. He's not a Transformer toy. When will you people get over yourselves? No, we do not believe in what you claim. We believe in ONE God who is taught of in the scriptures, not in the concept created by the trinity crap.
"And the bible constantly mentions God in a trinitarian form when it contstantly speaks of "we""
Off as usual. That's not trinitarian. Not even close.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish I didn't say he was a transformer toy. You're putting him on that level to make me look like that what I think of him. God is God, he can do whatever he wants. He is omnipresent. He can become whatever he wants, like he did coming in mans flesh, fulfilling the law for our sins and being put to death from us sinners. When it says we, what do you think? It's one person? The bible mentions our spirit leave the body, but the body will later be united with our spirit in heaven
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 God is God, not this trinity notion.
"When it says we, what do you think? It's one person"
It's God talking about Himself and others they being Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost. He's not talking about them in that trinitarian sense since the trinity is something Jesus never taught nor did the apostles and prophets.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish So, the in the name of the Father (God), the Son (Christ - God in flesh), and the Holy Spirit (God in your heart), is not the biblical teaching? Wow, seems like the LDS's are the only one' s who hold to this notion. So far off field the Mormon's are. So why are you all right, but not the Seventh-Day Adventists for teaching God inspired messages of Ellen G. White?
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 Baptizing in all 3's name is biblical. That verse, I know the one you're talking about, isn't implying they're one single God. They are the Godhead. All that verse says, Matthew 28:19, is to baptize in all 3's name and nothing more. It doesn't say anything about the "trinity" concept. We teach the truth so no, we're not off. Trinitarians are. We're monotheistic Biblical Christians while you're a trinitarian traditional Christian.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish So you are baptized in the names of two beings taht are not God? Also Jesus is Lord and not God when the Bible also says that there is only one Lord. And then thomas was wrong when he Called Jesus My Lord and My God. And the one that teaches men all truth is not God but the Holy Spirit. hmmm. It seems your God is strange and not very powerful or wise. There are other lords and other beings that either teach better or are smarter than YOUR god.
MrBlackhaw 6 months ago
@MrBlackhaw We're baptized in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Since we're baptized in the name of the Father we're baptized in the name of God. You're not as accurate as you think. Yes, Thomas said that. Jesus referred to the Father as his, Jesus', God. Since the Father is Jesus' God then there's no possible way for the "trinity" concept to be right. I believe in the ONLY God there is who is Almighty.
majinish 6 months ago
@MrBlackhaw You critics sound really ignorant when you say "your God". We believe in the only God there is. We believe in who the Bible says is God and we believe in who the Book of Mormon says is God since they are the word of God and teach the same thing about God.
majinish 6 months ago
@majinish your god is not my God. Plain and simple. So it is proper to state your God.
MrBlackhaw 6 months ago
@MrBlackhaw We believe in the only true God there is. We believe in God the Father who is the only true God like Jesus himself said, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost. It's improper for you to say "your God" because we believe in THE one true God who the Bible and Book of Mormon speak of.
majinish 6 months ago
@majinish Yes they are closed minded so it is hard to talk to them . But some are coming around .
mollymu1 5 months ago
@majinish There's no difference? Christ means messiah, but yet means the anointed one. Now, if you say, Jesus Christ, it means messiah (suffering servant), but if you say Christ Jesus, it stands for anointed one, showing they recognized him as the savior of man. He is the only prophet & mediator between man & god as he is God! This is what you fail to understand. There is no other prophet which can be held to the Jesus's standard, which Mormon's do, believe, & teach.
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 @"were CURSED WITH BLACK SKIN!!!" Wrong. The curse was being cut off from God. The black skin was nothing more than a mark.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish No it wasn't, before the LDS's were teaching this, and now are teaching what you say, but are trying to move more and more away from it. Now why is that? Why is it that the Mormon teaching's are so different? Even your name has changed!
coach8401 7 months ago
@majinish Wow, sounds like you don't know your religion too well. Back then, the mormon's would teach of those who remained neutral in the battle were "cursed" with black skin. A mark is the same thing, look at Cain & Abel, where Cain had to walk around with a mark (curse marking what he had done) on his forehead. Jeez, and you say I don't know what I'm talking about. Again, what's the difference from speeding and driving fast? You have yet to anwer that question. You pull out verses to twist'em
coach8401 7 months ago
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@coach8401 Being cut off from God was the curse, not the skin. Went over that.
"You have yet to anwer that question. You pull out verses to twist'em" In other words you don't like the fact that I agree with the scriptures and disagree with you.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish You cannot become Gods. In Genisis, where Adam and Eve were tempted by the serpent, he said that they would become Gods, that that is why God didn't want them to eat of the tree. Now, You believe the same thing, when this is was why Adam & Eve were kicked out of the Garden of Eden. You yourselves teach that as Christ was man who became God, you too can become Gods! How unbiblical is that! If you want me to bring out more about mormonism, I will be happy to.
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 "this is was why Adam & Eve were kicked out of the Garden of Eden"
You call yourself an apologist yet you say eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil is why Adam and Eve were cast out of Eden? You can't even read what the scriptures say. No, what they already ate had nothing to do with being cast out.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish Lol, you call yourself a follower of Christ? Does it not say that they were tempted from the serpent, were told they could become Gods and see, and they disobeyed God. How is this me not knowing the scriptures. You telling that I don't know the scriptures is a negative debate. Huge failure on your part.
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 Eve was tempted by the serpent, Adam went along with it. They disobeyed God but again, that's not why they were cast out. It's you not knowing the scriptures because Genesis 3:22 gives the exact reason why they were cast out and it has nothing to do with what they already ate. They were cast out so they wouldn't eat from the tree of life because if they did they'd never die. It was because of what they could have ate, not what they already eaten.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish Yes, for disobeying God, I agree with the verse, it's right there. But you avoid the point where the Serpent promised Eve what? You keep ignoring the issue, where the serpent told her about becoming a God. NO? This is what you teach too, that you can become a God too. Deny any of this, you deny mormon teachings. This is why you get baptized, get married in the temple to another mormon, etc... Answer the top question.
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 "I agree with the verse" No you don't. By disobeying God they had became aware of what would happen if they ate from the fruit of life. They were cast out simply so they wouldn't eat from the tree of life. It's not that hard to understand. I remember Genesis saying God said "They have become as one of us" after Eve and Adam ate the fruit. You can't give a debate about the scriptures because you don't even understand who God is let alone what the scriptures say.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish I agree with the verse flat out, you don't, because you believe you can become God's! Again, you failed to recognize this and say again for like the 4th time that, I don't know the scriptures. When someone says that someone else knows something, and that's all they say, it's because they have been shut down and cannot come up with an argument.
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 "I agree with the verse flat out" Not once have you agreed with Genesis 3:22. They were cast out so they wouldn't eat from the tree of life and that's it.
"and say again for like the 4th time that, I don't know the scriptures"
Because you constantly show you do not know the scriptures nor do you even know the history around the scriptures. I've given nothing but facts. I have shown what the scriptures say while you're more ignorant than most critics I've come across.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish Wow, again, is this the 5th time now? That I don't know the scripture? Ok, look, I know, I study, and I accept Christ of my savior. He is the way to salvation, but I don't go around teaching of a different prophet, and take his word (which has no evidence, which you continuely fail to produce and discuss) and take it for true. Joseph Smith was a liar, adulterer, attained the BOM from a form a witchcraft, and even boasted that he himself had more to boast about, even than Jesus!
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 Well it would help if you'd start knowing what the scriptures say.
"Ok, look, I know, I study, and I accept Christ of my savior" You have the "Christ of my Savior" part right and that's it. You don't know what you study. Jesus said to accept his messengers and Joseph Smith was a true prophet.
"more to boast about, even than Jesus" It was Jesus that said he'd have followers that would do more than what he did.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish I know the scriptures, you just twist them to make the bible agree with the BOM and your religion. Where in the bible does it say to accept his messegers who speak of his word (The Holy Bible), not Joseph Smith. Messengers are Christians, not Mormon's who hold to the teachings of Joseph Smith. He was not. Where in the Bible does it say that his followers will have more to boast than what he did? How can anyone boast that they did more, when Jesus, God himself died for our sins?
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 "I know the scriptures" If you mean you know they exist then I agree. If you mean you know what they teach then no, you don't. His word is the Bible and Book of Mormon. You're like all critics. I really know the scriptures and you claim I twist them which I don't.
John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish Those are the only arguments Mormon's can pull out at the end. Like all the other 13 Mormon's I have debated, they just say, "And you call yourself and apologist" and "You don't know the scriptures." When people tell you that and nothing else, it's because they themselves don't know what to say. It's like a kid that has nothing else to say and just keeps saying, no, no, no.
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 As usual you're incorrect. You've demonstrated you don't know the scriptures, that's why I say you don't. It's because you prove you don't. Anyone that tries to use Revelation 22:18-19 to refute the Book of Mormon is ignorant. Go to Revelation 14:6 and read that. It's one of many verses that proves the Book of Mormon is true.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish The eternal gospel is the Bible, this is when the word is heard at all four corners of the earth. It does not say that the angel comes with a different gospel. This proves the exact opposite and proves the BOM is a false book!
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 Wrong. It's not talking about the Bible since it wasn't delivered by an angel. If you believe it was then you're the only person that does. Revelation 14:6 is one of several verses that proves the Book of Mormon is true.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish I already have, and it says the angel will bring his word (The Holy Bible), but you are putting it as the angel will bring the Book of Mormon, which you hold higher the true word of God. I cannot take the BOM for true as it was made from an untrue unholy prophet, and there is no evidence for which it can be based on. Evidence cannot be opinion. You have to compare the BOM to the Bible, not use it side by side. It conflicts! This is why you are wolves dressed as sheep
coach8401 7 months ago
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@coach8401 An angel didn't bring the Bible. The ancient prophets and scribes wrote the scriptures. The early church put them together and made them into the Bible. I hold the Book of Mormon equal to the Bible simply because it is. They are the word of God.
"there is no evidence for which it can be based on" Commented on this in another comment.
"You have to compare the BOM to the Bible, not use it side by side." Nope. They're to be used together.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish Again, in the bible it says no one shall boast, but yet Joseph Smith said that "he has more to boast than anyone", he supposively created a church that no one left him, yet, but they did! How can this be biblical? It can't! Again, this proves again that the BOM does not go hand in hand with the bible but goes contrary to it. The bible doesn't contradict, but when man puts in his thoughts and decisions, that's when it contradicts.
coach8401 7 months ago
@majinish (cont) Like I study daily multiple religions and have looked deep into mormonism. Let me know and I will draw up all I have on mormonism, and let you know why it's a cult and a false teaching. From the history to no biblical historical evidence, and even to the conflictions from all (4) Books which the LDS hold to. I have a friend who is an Ex-Mormon and left the LDS Church and became a Christian and all his friends turned their back on the guy. I though LDS teaches God's teachings?
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 @"and let you know why it's a cult and a false teaching"
Except for the fact that we're the Biblical Christians and we teach Jesus Christ's church.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish Again, Mormon's don't teach the word of Jesus Christ, but the word of Joseph Smith. I have yet met a missionary who says, lets talk of Jesus Christ and use a bible. Instead they ask, "would you like to talk about Jesus Christ", me: Sure, ok, then they talk a bit of Christ, then turn to Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon. You speak of truth, as you know it is the truth, then you stir one away by speaking of false information. Oh, btw where are your historical facts for the BOM?
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 Yes, we do teach the teachings of Jesus Christ. The Book of Mormon testifies of who Christ is so you shouldn't have a problem with it.
"You speak of truth, as you know it is the truth" The only part you've gotten right is that I have spoken the truth.
"Oh, btw where are your historical facts for the BOM?" Nahom, the Bible, Hebrew language connection to Native Americans, ancient temples in South America, Saudi Arabia, etc. It's a lengthy list.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish I do, because that's not God's words, those are from a false prophet. Test the Bible to the Book of Mormon and they conflict. This is why you testify the Bible, then go to the Book of Mormon. But, never at the same time. Let's look at them side by side. Where'd you find this information? All historians and archaeologists don't find these true. The Bible testifies the falsehood of the BOM, Nahom is not proven, it's LDS archaeologists which just think that's where it is
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 The Book of Mormon is, as is the Bible, the word of God and nothing less.
'Test the Bible to the Book of Mormon and they conflict"
I have and guess what, I know they don't conflict. I already told you that. The Bible proves the Book of Mormon is true.
"Nahom is not proven" Yea, it has. You say you want evidence and I bring up a piece of evidence and you brush it aside. If you don't evidence just say so.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish Nahom, has been rejected from many historians as it still cannot be proven. Also, the ancient temples in South American & Saudia Arabia? How does that prove to the BOM? Which evidence? Everything in the bible can be located right off the bat, but the BOM has still not been proven on these points. These archaeologists were LDS's who submitted then in, and Jewish historians & scientists rejected this a true location.
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 Found in the east with the letters NHM in the same place the Book of Mormon says it would be and it's also a burial site just as the Book of Mormon says. You want prove and I gave you proof. Now you're denying it. Nahom is proof just as the temples in South America tell of a bearded white God that came from the heavens and promised he would return (2nd Coming).
majinish 7 months ago
@coach8401 How do you explain the names of Nephi, Lehi, and Sam (Nephi's brother) being found in Saudi Arabia which is part of the journey they took? How about the Lihyanites in Arabia? The name "Lehi" was spread all over the Frankincense trail which is considered fertile. The Book of Mormon states they traveled in a fertile area. I'm reading an article about it right now.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish Another thing, why teach of Christ when you hold to the teachings of Joseph Smith. Again, I will bring out all the evidence (still in existence today) on him showing how he got your BOM and what happended to him.There is a difference from Paul or Saul of Taursas, to Joseph Smith. If you need clarification between this, I will let you know. Again, you never answered the question about your alls name? Do you remember the 2 previous names your church was called?
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 We teach of Jesus Christ. Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God just as Isaiah, Ezekiel, and the prophets old were of God. Sure do know those names. And? The name has changed but the church has always been Jesus Christ's church.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish I know those words, I know their books but there was no Joseph Smith in the biblical times! He was so far off! The LDS Church didn't even start till 1830ad in Upstate New York. I understand it changed, that's not what I'm asking you, I'm asking do you know your 2 previous names? How could it have always been the church of Jesus Christ when it started so late?
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 Jesus Christ's church started when he was on the earth. The apostasy happened, and yes, it did happen. The Bible proves this. His gospel would have to be restored (Acts 3:20-21; Revelation 14:6).
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish His holy prophets are Christians, not another gospel. Apostasy is to fall from the truth, which is what you all are doing, this is why we hold so strongly to it! Revelation 14:6 is an angel flying through with the gospel, which is the bible. How can it be the BOM? Also, you have the D&C & POGP to go off of. Those are definetely not writings of God, but yet you hold to those more than the bible!
coach8401 7 months ago
@coach8401 We teach Jesus Christ's gospel, not another.
"How can it be the BOM?" Because it is. It fits perfectly. The Bible wasn't delivered by an angel. The Golden Plates were. Their contents were even described by Moroni, an angel, to be the everlasting gospel. The D&C and Pearl of Great Price are not held above the Bible but equal to it.
"His holy prophets are Christians"
His ancient prophets were Jewish, not Christians.
majinish 7 months ago
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shvibzik123 7 months ago
@coach8401 People often misuse verses that say we're not saved by works of the law. That's true. But look at those words. Works of the law. There's a difference between works of law and works of righteousness. If faith has no works of righteousness how is it faith since that faith is dead?
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish I agree, but that's why we repent. We are judged by our fruits. But, we will always sin, no matter what, but Christ paid the penalty for us, once for all! But, these works of righteousness I agree are good things, but they are done from the holy spirit (ghost), which we attribute them to. Not us! If you could rewrite the last question, I don't understand your last question? You put if faith has no works of righteousness how is faith since that faith is dead?
coach8401 7 months ago
true prophet? He never prophesied anything true a day in his life. All of his so called prophecies failed him. And he spoke those things in the name of the Lord. He also said that all of his words could be taken as scripture because they came straight from God himself. I'm not saying this to bash you. I'm saying this because you need to seriously consider what LDS "prophets" have taught and do so in light of the Bible and you will see it's completely not Christian at all
KakkoiGuy1 7 months ago
@KakkoiGuy1 How wrong you are. Yes, prophecies he gave were fulfilled.
"He also said that all of his words could be taken as scripture"
A prophet of the Lord did say that but you might want to check again on exactly who it was that said this. Yes, we're Christians. We're true Biblical Christians.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish My friend, Brigham Young said that. Let me tell you a little about me. I'm not hear to bash you. I live in downtown Salt Lake City. I have read mormon texts. I'm not an anti mormon. I love mormon people. However their doctrines and beliefs are not Christian. Just like Christians are not Mormons. You wouldn't consider me a mormon because I do not believe the things of mormonism. This is why Christians don't consider mormons Christians because they do not believe the things of the
KakkoiGuy1 7 months ago