you are wrong with something..the air will not be clearer if we use electric cars.they just don't poluate NOT cleaning the air!they have to invent something to clear the damn atmosphere
@PRINCEofPECICA elctricity generation and production of the vehicle emits air and other polutions, but if we can minimize this to a very great extent, these niftly little things called plants and algae will do the hard cleaning part for us. The only reason they aren't now is b/c we pollute too quickly for nature to keep up, thus it accumulates (especially with deforestation which also draws moisture from the air further speeding glacial melt). CO2 actually speeds plant growth, just not enough.
I know of a man, who's a welder, that has built a regeneration unit. I know for a fact it works, during a Catagory 5 torndado, In Charles County, MD, he ran a 500amp service to his home! His next door neighbor was wondering how it worked. This man has built regeneration units to go to any application you can think of. You can contact him through West Sheet Metal in Sterling, Virginia. His name is Dan Elliott
If you truly want a regeneration unit you will give him a call.
One thing that seems to be forgotten with the "cheap" running costs of the electric car is that Li-Ion batteries don't last for the life of the car. After 4 or 5 years the owner will be dumping 1/2 a ton of Li-Ion batteries (into the environment) and purchasing new ones. I bet a new battery pack costs more than $10,000. You will likely need two of these during the life of the car.
If they're stupid enough to just put the old batteries into a trash can, sure. But Li-Ion batteries are typically recycled, so it's not getting "dumped." I don't think the landfill would even let you through if you told them you were dumping Li-Ion batteries. They'd think you're retarded.
So the person would learn there lesson and not tell them. People are lazy, recycling batteries can be a pain to find the right place. So they just throw them in the trash for convenience.
@surreal5335 Two things: 1) If you went to a landfill, you'd notice that they make you separate batteries, buckets of paint and such from your regular trash. 2) Who's to say there won't be something instituted for making recycling batteries more convenient? Quite a business potential there. Like you said, people are lazy, so either they do things right or pay extra to have their batteries picked up.
I have been to landfills. nobody is there to police what exactly you are putting in the trash pile, you can very easily just throw it all in together. Personally I am for electric cars, I fully plan to buy one... just here is a sad reality about americans. Another sad reality is, we have demonstrated to care about the enviroment until it costs us money. Even Californians vote down green initiatives when it means tax payers money.
"The cells contain no heavy metals. In fact, our entire battery pack, by law, could be disposed in a landfill."
However, the battery packs need never end up in a landfill. After 100,000 miles, the pack could be used as a power source for off-grid backup. Tesla is also developing a recycling plan that would maximize the amount of materials that can be reused".
It looks as if they do plan to recycle the cells but that this is not an option right now.
I agree with takayafreeman, the batteries are recyclable. plus, the industry in, on, and around batteries and battery recycling will create jobs.
also- look a the dirt, grease, and sludge around the internal combustion engine when it gets replaced, then compare the engine compartment of the ZEV.
about the price... price drops dramatically when demand goes up- this is basic idea behind capitalism. its called a supply/demand curve
right! it reminds one of the days when some products are taboo, like booze, cigarettes, or porn, and you could only obtain them by some secretive way-
this is an all electric vehicle , not a drug!
there must be some very wealthy people who do not want electric vehicles on the road.
OK clearly English is not your primary language but "breaking" and "braking" are 2 entirely different words. Breaking mean in the process of being broken and braking means holding or slowing down. Its called "regenerative braking" not "regenerating breaking"
I didn't need an explanation. The sarcasm was lost on you. I thought I made it clear that I knew what "regenerative braking" was and didn't know what "regenerating breaking" was. I know quit a bit about three phase motor/generators especially the theory of operation.
Did you pay attention to how they spelled "braking"? They spelled it "breaking". It was a a joke. It has lost it's meaning now that I had to explain it to you... way to go.
This is absolutely great, and it's here now. I went to their site and one suggestion I would have for them is to explain the tax incentives along with the price. The 39,000 dollar Ford Ranger sounds good, but how much would it actually be after the tax incentives?
I've been hearing how the big three have been struggling for yrs. and yrs. Then I watch who killed the electric car. One of the big three are the dumbmess of the brunch, They have the means and the tecnology to do it and they dont. Hopefully in 2yrs. the oil companies will just buy GM they wont be worth nothing. Well not in my book anyway. How about a tax credit for an electric car that passes a test that road worthy. Instead of 100,000. for an SUV.
Yeah this dude is good with the "EVs are good" message but the ranges don't quite...work out.
Seriously, dude, what is your range calculation? Divide total capacity (in kwh, kwh=(amp hours*volts of battery)/1000) by efficiency (in wh/mile). Bear in mind that adding more batteries increases weight which decreases efficiency so the increase is not linear.
Hello awkpidgin have heard about lionevs battery packs? I am thinking about buying one of their phev pack for an all electric vehicle that will be a 144 volt system but the Kangoo pack is 136 volts could I supplement the rest with lead acid?
How large of a pack are they using in this thing? With its aerodynamics and weight, it probably needs 0.3 kWh/mile at 60 mph, and for 400 miles range would thus need a 120 kWh pack! The RAV4 EV went 100-120 miles range using a 26 kWh pack in comparison. While 400 miles range is possible, even in mass production at $250/kWh for li ions in automotive volume, that pack is $30k+. Li Ions aren't yet in automotive volume and thus $500+/kWh. The specs don't add up.
Hey triblured... IF this is true its sick dude... :D well i think we should expect good cars from asian.. because they will come with oil problems with there build up for there economy. So i heard there are like 400 start up factory's of solar panels in china etc... Ill tell you electric cars will ROCK ON.. even on performance. You ever seen the gasoline power curve ? it sucks if you put it beside an electric engine.
Yeah, I am planing putting some music in, and correcting other stuff. But I just wanted pass information about $30K EVs that can do 400+ miles per charge.
They haven't delivered the cars yet. The delivery starts Jan08. The company just started selling EV parts, batteries in Jul07. They announced sale of EVs in Sep or Aug 07.
Correction, in November they will be delivering some cars. They just posted up some information. They conducted their mileage test at test tracks in NC and VA.
Do a search for lionev on the diyelectriccar message forum before considering their business.
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perplexfraction 1 year ago
through the electrolysis of water, "rejecting" water vapor and oxygen, you can achieve that
machintruc313 2 years ago
you are wrong with something..the air will not be clearer if we use electric cars.they just don't poluate NOT cleaning the air!they have to invent something to clear the damn atmosphere
PRINCEofPECICA 2 years ago
@PRINCEofPECICA elctricity generation and production of the vehicle emits air and other polutions, but if we can minimize this to a very great extent, these niftly little things called plants and algae will do the hard cleaning part for us. The only reason they aren't now is b/c we pollute too quickly for nature to keep up, thus it accumulates (especially with deforestation which also draws moisture from the air further speeding glacial melt). CO2 actually speeds plant growth, just not enough.
dragonamt 2 years ago
over time , the earths atmosphere will clean itself. trees, plants, and the ocean will 'filter' the dirty atmosphere, but it will take time.
mellifluouschinook 2 years ago
@mellifluouschinook
We need to change our ways first. Then the environment can repair the damage we have done.
surreal5335 1 year ago
I know of a man, who's a welder, that has built a regeneration unit. I know for a fact it works, during a Catagory 5 torndado, In Charles County, MD, he ran a 500amp service to his home! His next door neighbor was wondering how it worked. This man has built regeneration units to go to any application you can think of. You can contact him through West Sheet Metal in Sterling, Virginia. His name is Dan Elliott
If you truly want a regeneration unit you will give him a call.
sonnyanddixie 2 years ago
One thing that seems to be forgotten with the "cheap" running costs of the electric car is that Li-Ion batteries don't last for the life of the car. After 4 or 5 years the owner will be dumping 1/2 a ton of Li-Ion batteries (into the environment) and purchasing new ones. I bet a new battery pack costs more than $10,000. You will likely need two of these during the life of the car.
geoffdscott 2 years ago
If they're stupid enough to just put the old batteries into a trash can, sure. But Li-Ion batteries are typically recycled, so it's not getting "dumped." I don't think the landfill would even let you through if you told them you were dumping Li-Ion batteries. They'd think you're retarded.
TakayaFreeman 2 years ago
@TakayaFreeman
So the person would learn there lesson and not tell them. People are lazy, recycling batteries can be a pain to find the right place. So they just throw them in the trash for convenience.
surreal5335 1 year ago
@surreal5335 Two things: 1) If you went to a landfill, you'd notice that they make you separate batteries, buckets of paint and such from your regular trash. 2) Who's to say there won't be something instituted for making recycling batteries more convenient? Quite a business potential there. Like you said, people are lazy, so either they do things right or pay extra to have their batteries picked up.
TakayaFreeman 1 year ago
@TakayaFreeman
I have been to landfills. nobody is there to police what exactly you are putting in the trash pile, you can very easily just throw it all in together. Personally I am for electric cars, I fully plan to buy one... just here is a sad reality about americans. Another sad reality is, we have demonstrated to care about the enviroment until it costs us money. Even Californians vote down green initiatives when it means tax payers money.
surreal5335 1 year ago
@surreal5335 Then the landfills you've been to need to fix themselves... The ones I've gone to are pretty strict.
TakayaFreeman 1 year ago
This is from the Tesla Motors website:
"The cells contain no heavy metals. In fact, our entire battery pack, by law, could be disposed in a landfill."
However, the battery packs need never end up in a landfill. After 100,000 miles, the pack could be used as a power source for off-grid backup. Tesla is also developing a recycling plan that would maximize the amount of materials that can be reused".
It looks as if they do plan to recycle the cells but that this is not an option right now.
geoffdscott 1 year ago
I agree with takayafreeman, the batteries are recyclable. plus, the industry in, on, and around batteries and battery recycling will create jobs.
also- look a the dirt, grease, and sludge around the internal combustion engine when it gets replaced, then compare the engine compartment of the ZEV.
about the price... price drops dramatically when demand goes up- this is basic idea behind capitalism. its called a supply/demand curve
mellifluouschinook 2 years ago
@geoffdscott
Your thinking lead acid for the 1/2 ton weight. Lithium Ion are significanlty lighter when made right. This is whats making EVs actually practical.
surreal5335 1 year ago
WTF have I not seen commercials for this awesome car!!!!!! This is bullshit its almost like they dont want anyone to know!!!
ultima3210 3 years ago 3
right! it reminds one of the days when some products are taboo, like booze, cigarettes, or porn, and you could only obtain them by some secretive way-
this is an all electric vehicle , not a drug!
there must be some very wealthy people who do not want electric vehicles on the road.
mellifluouschinook 2 years ago
WTF is "Regenerating Breaking"? This thing regenerates itself after breaking? BUT HOW? NANOMACHINES? TELL THE WORLD!! THE WORLD MUST KNOW!!
I wonder if it has regenerative braking capability?
madzyzome 3 years ago
regenerating breaks means the car is breaking with electricity,
simply put you change the magnetic field within the motor so the motor is trying to rotate backwards (while moving forward)
this stores you electricity back into your batteries, which is 60-80% enough for the next acceleration.
Workerstar1 3 years ago
OK clearly English is not your primary language but "breaking" and "braking" are 2 entirely different words. Breaking mean in the process of being broken and braking means holding or slowing down. Its called "regenerative braking" not "regenerating breaking"
madzyzome 3 years ago
you should have said thank you for the explanation and then say what i wrote wrong ;).
but anyway thx and your welcome.
Workerstar1 3 years ago
I didn't need an explanation. The sarcasm was lost on you. I thought I made it clear that I knew what "regenerative braking" was and didn't know what "regenerating breaking" was. I know quit a bit about three phase motor/generators especially the theory of operation.
madzyzome 3 years ago
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Victoriaroderick 2 years ago
regenerative braking is just turning the motors
into generators and using the generator drag
to slow the vehicle. Most hybrids have this.
OnsiteRepair 2 years ago
Did you pay attention to how they spelled "braking"? They spelled it "breaking". It was a a joke. It has lost it's meaning now that I had to explain it to you... way to go.
madzyzome 2 years ago
This is absolutely great, and it's here now. I went to their site and one suggestion I would have for them is to explain the tax incentives along with the price. The 39,000 dollar Ford Ranger sounds good, but how much would it actually be after the tax incentives?
johnwcaldwell 3 years ago
Very likely that web site is a scam. Do a bit of Googling before sending any money his way.
smoothntallGWM 3 years ago
we definitely need vehicles like this and that french brand that runs on compressed air. any tool guy has an aircompressor in his garage
bd189 3 years ago
This car goes 400 kilometers, not 400 miles. It translates to about 250 miles. Other than that, it sounds pretty cool.
oenogeek2 3 years ago 3
@oenogeek2
250 miles on one charge, so basically what we are getting right now. If I really worked at it I could get 300 miles out of my Integra.
surreal5335 1 year ago
I've been hearing how the big three have been struggling for yrs. and yrs. Then I watch who killed the electric car. One of the big three are the dumbmess of the brunch, They have the means and the tecnology to do it and they dont. Hopefully in 2yrs. the oil companies will just buy GM they wont be worth nothing. Well not in my book anyway. How about a tax credit for an electric car that passes a test that road worthy. Instead of 100,000. for an SUV.
whoybeen 3 years ago 3
Maybe it was a error, meant 400Km, which is about 250 miles.
EnigmaNZ1 4 years ago
umm i contacted lionev and
1. only 250 mile max range, not 400
2. $30,000 plus cost of car and labor for 250 mile range
3. lowest is a 50 mile range, starting at about $15000, which i think is the best deal
alexs1202 4 years ago
Yeah this dude is good with the "EVs are good" message but the ranges don't quite...work out.
Seriously, dude, what is your range calculation? Divide total capacity (in kwh, kwh=(amp hours*volts of battery)/1000) by efficiency (in wh/mile). Bear in mind that adding more batteries increases weight which decreases efficiency so the increase is not linear.
awkpidgin 3 years ago
Hello awkpidgin have heard about lionevs battery packs? I am thinking about buying one of their phev pack for an all electric vehicle that will be a 144 volt system but the Kangoo pack is 136 volts could I supplement the rest with lead acid?
anewlow23 3 years ago
How large of a pack are they using in this thing? With its aerodynamics and weight, it probably needs 0.3 kWh/mile at 60 mph, and for 400 miles range would thus need a 120 kWh pack! The RAV4 EV went 100-120 miles range using a 26 kWh pack in comparison. While 400 miles range is possible, even in mass production at $250/kWh for li ions in automotive volume, that pack is $30k+. Li Ions aren't yet in automotive volume and thus $500+/kWh. The specs don't add up.
terrorist420x 4 years ago
Hey terrorist the same thing I asked awkpidgin what do you think about lionevs phev packs should I but for an all electric conversion?
anewlow23 3 years ago
a 1000 dollar nonrefundable deposit? What do you exactly mean by that?
Nichen 4 years ago
Contact the Lionev people. I am just trying to get more people to know about them.
tribluered 4 years ago
Awesome man, if these do all what they claim with warranty according to their site I'll be making an order.
Sc0rPsX 4 years ago
Hey triblured... IF this is true its sick dude... :D well i think we should expect good cars from asian.. because they will come with oil problems with there build up for there economy. So i heard there are like 400 start up factory's of solar panels in china etc... Ill tell you electric cars will ROCK ON.. even on performance. You ever seen the gasoline power curve ? it sucks if you put it beside an electric engine.
Dilekz 4 years ago
A narrative or a commentary would be nice with music in the background.
Oh and a spell checker, its regenerative braking. Regenerative breaking is when you put your foot on the pedal and the car falls in half.
Nice vid but better with some action shots and not just a slide show.
Odziz 4 years ago
Yeah, I am planing putting some music in, and correcting other stuff. But I just wanted pass information about $30K EVs that can do 400+ miles per charge.
tribluered 4 years ago
Also, Electric Cars are quiet, so till I find some good music. The slides will be quiet.
tribluered 4 years ago
WTF are you talking about? WHERE IS THIS ELECTRIC CAR? I can't find anything about it.
LovePontiac 4 years ago
They haven't delivered the cars yet. The delivery starts Jan08. The company just started selling EV parts, batteries in Jul07. They announced sale of EVs in Sep or Aug 07.
tribluered 4 years ago
Correction, in November they will be delivering some cars. They just posted up some information. They conducted their mileage test at test tracks in NC and VA.
tribluered 4 years ago