Modern Democrats are nothing but a freak show of homosexuals, lesbians, delusional no nothings...perpetual adolescents staging fake rebellions. They have nothing whatsoever in common with Harry Truman.
Lets see if you "know" this..when Truman gave this speech the US Govt was rife with Soviet spies..from Lauchlin Currie Presidential Aide to Harry White Asst.
Sec. of Treasury and hundreds of others..a fact not known till the Venona Transcripts were made public in 1980.
No no..whats really really crazy is the way somebody absolutely empty like Obama gets elected President..and thats because Obamas media machinery gave people a "image" that makes them happy
regardless of the truth. Along these lines is the liberal critiques of McCarthy..which is all about his personality..not one reference to fact that the Venona Transcripts opened in 1980s revealed that yes McCarthy WAS telling the truth about Soviet Agents..but that doesnt fit the liberal fanatsy
Wrong: GW Bush was the worst president we've had to date. This guy stood up against a militant ideology, which was Communism. Our friendship with Russia changed with the Marxist revolt, not with Truman. This excerpt is
yeah look at it now its completely the opposite from back then. Republicans now are different from then,Now their the ones that are against the civil rights. I would Never Vote for any of these republicans they would do anything to win. Democrats are the one pushing for equal Rights.
Republicans were often from annoying liberal New England states...remember...Democrat asshles don't want you know this...but Democrats were the pillar of Jim Crow and segregation...the Democrat Party was the party of Jim Crow, slavery, segregation...
The Southern Manifesto was a Democrat document...Republicans were against slavery and against segregation...
Bush thinks he will be vindicated because historians have given Harry Truman a thumbs up on his presidency. You historians are assholes...as an example...let's say Bush did make the world better...what about the 1000s that died in hurricane katrina...maybe one of them would have a cure for cancer? And honestly...do I want the world to be better a 1000 years from now? A tourist from Alabama going to Mars will be banging the stewardess, not thanking us or Bush for defeating terrorism.
Because the USSR took advantage of the conditions after world war 2 to make itself a strength in the region. Also it was ran by a maniacal dicator who didnt believe in God, and wanted to start a War in which the soviets would conquer the world, Truman did alot to prevent Stalins ideology to spread into other unstable parts of the world.
Yes, it definitely took advantage of Eastern Europe, there was evidence of Truman attempting to psychologically intimidate Stalin with the strength of the atomic bomb.
The point is, when the Cold War was fully underway, imperialism all over the world was fully applied by both sides.
True as well, thanks for the reply.. Yeah Truman did try to do that, but I just wish that maybe if FDR was healthier he could have put a tighter limits on the Soviets power gain after the war, I dislike Stalin very much though, but I guess you figured that out on my reply lol, well thanks again and god bless!
Truman knew exactly how to fight communism and it was the way Communism was defeated. Everything else was a diversion, a waste of time and did us more harm than it did the Communists.
We have not had a conscientious leader with guts since Truman left office. Not a one, and that is why we are in the mess we are today.
You are totally correct. Truman was the absolute best most honest leader ever. The Truman Doctrine. The Marshall Plan! He was and is the most loved president we ever had also.
He did set the stage for all of Europe loving us for the rest of the century. He was also much tougher with the Soviets than FDR, which was good but FDR also did well
We were on the same side when FDR was president. We needed to make a deal with one devil in order to fight an even worse devil.
Eisenhower did a pretty crummy job with the Cold War. Ike allowed Churchill to talk him into toppling the Iranian government, a move that still haunts us today. Truman refused Winston's request to intervene with Iran. He created the CIA for collecting intelligence, not nation building.
both were pretty devilish, it was just a matter of who posed the greatest immediate threat to America at the time. It was a good move for FDR though I suppose.
Eisenhower did a fine job domestically and for most things foreign. It's true the Iran thing is haunting us, but he had some good policies, like when he pressued France, Israel, and Britain to withdraw from Egypt after an aggressive invasion.
Winston told Ike the Iranian government was Communist (a lie being their leader was a staunch anti-Communist) and he bought into it. 25 years later, it bit us right in the ass.
Allen - you're talking about the overthrow of Reza Shah?????????? He was pro-Axis. The changing of Persia's name to Iran was, like Hitler's Germany, an Aryan nation.
Besides Reza's son, Mohammed, was put on the Peacock Throne. Do you think Reza, had he lived, would have put Iran on a better foundation that Mohammed did?
The CIA was created for both intelligence gathering and nation building. The CIA has midwifed many regimes.
Interesting point: Truman was absolutely disgusted with the CIA when they started breaking up governments in the late 50s. He said it was disturbing that an organization like that was allowed that kind of power and if he had known before he'd have never formed it.
While all of Asia, all of Eastern Europe, much of Africa, Cuba, Guatemala, Phillippines, Korea, Vietnam, India, Congo, Iran, ..all were either being invaded physically by Communist armies..or under clandestine attack....how is Leftist morons fantasize that the CIA was just inventing threats eh?
Truman was tougher with the Soviets than FDR because the historic circumstances were different. FDR worked as much as he could with the Soviets because they were our allies in fighting the Germans (a not inconsiderable foe) and he wanted them to join us in the invasion of Japan. The enormous casualties the Soviets took save American lives. Before Normandy, the Germans had been weakened in the East in 3 years of the toughest fighting imaginable. When Truman dealt with them, the war was over.
Not entirely, the war lasted about another month or so. At that point Truman had the atomic bomb and didn't want the Soviets' help in defeating Japan because he foresaw that they would have postwar demands in that region.
Yes, the war lasted another 5 months, but agreements had been with Stalin at Yalta about his joining the Japanese war, clearing the Kwantung Army out of China (thought to be a more formidable task than it proved to be) and joining the invasion of Japan proper. Moreover,Stalin had the most formidable Army in Europe. To Americans, Stalin was still an estemed ally. Truman had a lot to do before confronting Stalin.
Everything done by FDR and Truman was done with America's best interests at heart.
It might have been slightly higher in Britian than in the US. The British were more cognizant than the Americans of the Soviet contribution to victory. Typically, Americans they won the war and their allies did their bit, and why not?
However, there was certainly not a war-ready attitude towards the Soviet Union in the States prior to 1948 and possibly not even until 1951. It took the McCarthyite destruction of FDR progressive Liberalism to bring the country to that frame of mind.
It depends to what aspect of liberalism you're refering. Socio-economic liberalism was prominent well into the 60's, with LBJ's Great Society, and the fact that Eisenhower didn't get rid of the New Deal. McCarthy came to be discredited within his own career in time.
Well, you didn't have self-proclaimed "Conservatives" in America until the Republican Party grabbed the racist vote away from the Democrats and wedded it to the born-again movement. America afterall was founded on a revolution against legitimate authority. That reality set the course of American history until Nixon blackened the word Liberal and Reagan changed the meaning of Conservative.
But the big change in America came with the destruction of FDR's reputation by the McCarthyites.
Conservative had been a political term for years. The Federalists, the Whigs, the people who drafted the Constitution were considered conservative. And Reagan didn't exactly change the meaning of the word, he just labeled neoconservatives as conservative.
As for FDR, his reputation wasn't destroyed nearly as much as McCarthy's himself. His targets weren't just liberals, he accused President Eisenhower of being a communist even.
I am not talking about people who were considered more conservative than their opponents. I am talking about people who identified themselves as "Conservatives". That is a phenomenon of the late 20th century.
Throughout the 30s and 40s Republicans were tarred with the Great Depression. FDR won elections hardly campaigning at all. Truman won in 1948 partially on FDR's coattails and the fear of a new Republican Depression. Republicans had to destroy FDR's reputation and McCarthy + Ike did so.
You are naive. Ike turned against McCarthy a year or so AFTER the election. He never crossed McCarthy before that. He didn't even defend Marshall, who had made his career, when McCarthy went after him.
Ike never liked FDR giving him orders. FDR controlled his generals absolutely. The only one he was solicitious of was Marshall. Ike didn't like being ordered about by anyone, even the President.
Ike never defended FDR from the treason allegations the Right threw against him in the early 50's
Was it the responsibility of Eisenhower to protect the President from every accusation? Holding the highest position in the US military, Eisenhower, more than anyone else, would have a sense of responsibilty and loyalty towards his commander in chief.
I question where you heard about these motives of Ike.
It depends on the kind of person you are. General Marshall was admired by lots of people, and when McCarthy began attacking him in his usual way, they came to his defence. Eisenhower, whose career was made by Marshall, didn't. He said nothing when FDR, not alive to defend himself, was falsely attacked. Ike was personally insulting to Mr. & Mrs Truman. Ike was testy and looked after numero uno.
It has been written about in numerous memoirs, biographies and histories of this period.
There are many excellent monographs on Joe McCarthy. One is by Richard Rovere, entitled simply Senator Joe McCarthy. I recommend it.
In 1952, McCarthy's hold on the American political scene was such that he was the one man Ike had to play up to to get his support. It was said that he promised McCarthy not to name anyone to his cabinet of which McCarthy disapproved. Of course Ike and his sidekick Beedle Smith knew the many ways of skinning a cat, and in the end they skinned him alive.
Truman's containment policy was for aiding free nations to resist Communist insurgencies. He wasn't going to help any anti-Communist dictatorship. During the Korean War, he refused to rescue the ousted Chinese leader because he pocketed the U.S. aid money for himself. He said he wasn't gonna to risk one American soldier to save that son of a bitch.
I answered this. EVERYONE at the time hated Chiang, including the mass of the Chinese people. Thanks to the China Lobby (run by Chiang's brother in law, T.V.Sung), McCarthy, Nixon and the rest, the US public opinion was blinded to this reality and for decades we had the absurdity of Chiang being called the President of China.
Harry Truman never particularly liked being president either, he repeatedly made comments about how much he wished he wasnt where he was and I think that if Roosevelt hadnt died he would never have ran in the first place. He just happened to be the right man at the right place in the right time upon his ascension, knew the way things worked home and abroad better than any live man, and thankfully used his wisdom to guide us through one of the most perilous times in our entire 250 year history.
Turman old style democrat from the Kansas City Democrat machine that made the country better for the long term. Truman is what democart should strive for. Sad, the democrats went from the working mans party to the Uber Elites party.
Truman has always been an overrated Asshole by Historians. When he left office, he was one of the most hated Presidents, for those people that were alive during his Presidency...which is all that really matters. For some reason, we care about a President's Legacy. Due to this stupid fact, George Bush is counting on the future to rate him as a success rather than helping the poor in America right now. Of course in 1,000 years, Iraq and the Middle East might be better. But not due to him.
my grandpa loves truman. He's a pretty bipartisan world war two veteran who said "everything he did was in the best interest of america" Now you can argue all you want, but without an actual person's account of truman, you contradict your own points.
So basically you're saying that a president should be judged by the partisan public sentiment of his times rather than historical perspective and sixty years worth of hindsight that allows historians to see the effects of his presidency and a clearer less partisan view on the issues he was faced with?
he stop McCarthy from going further into North Korea and China. What if in the future, we are in a war with China over oil or they invade Taiwan. Will we then regret that Truman stopped Mccarthy from invading further to stop communists. Will history then judge Truman wrong and a bad President if millions of U.S. citizens are killed in such a scenario? Things change over time. Worry about what happens today.
Well, if Truman had let McArthur (not McCarthy) invade China we would probably still be feeling the effects of the nuclear war that was sure to have happened. Even if this stuff you say might happen in the future happens, at least the survivors can have those additional 70 years of civilization to look back on. Disco, Hands Across America, The Macarena, "retro" t-shirts....
i've heard of retro watches as well...at a certain point we need to stop looking back and move ahead. I could look back at the internet back in 1997 but it wouldn't be such a pleasant thought with all the hang ups and 5 minute delays to log onto a sight.
That was the joke. In the event of a nuclear holocaust, the survivors will look back on the stupid fads and say, "those were the days." Or better yet, they could look back on them and say, "Thank God that's over,"
I wrote a reply...not sure if you are able to see my opinion.
That's about all i had to say on the matter.
you can disagree.
In regards to the current President, I don't mind him kissing and going and shaking hands with the Princes of the Middle East. What
bothered me was the loss of over 1,800 lives of Katrina, when the President and Condi(who was shopping for high heels at the time) could have done more before the storm hit New Orleans. Also, you can't bring back the lives lost in iraq.
I think you might misunderstand me, I am in no way endorsing the current administration, I think that their mistakes make them comparable with the Harding administration. What I was criticizing was what seemed to be your idea that presidents shouldnt be judged based on historical perspective, but you cleared that up. Things that have made our world better on Truman's behalf include the implementation of the Marshall Plan, the desegregation of the army, taking a hard-line against the USSR...
Exactly, and thats what puts Truman so far above and apart from Bush. Harry Truman was always an incredibly modest human being, although he'd often criticize the policies of others at the time he'd never take the most of the credit for many of his successes and was characterized by the many that new him personally as modest and humble. He never saw himself as a great man or visionary, only the right man for the job. On the other hand Bush sees himself as a far-seeing and all knowing messiah
I respect Truman. He was the last president, who truly, did what he had to do regardless of public reaction. Did he want to drop the nukes? I don't think so. Did he have to? Yes. In order to save American Boys lives he had to. Either let Japan drag on the war and stubbornly refuse surrender and lose more and more of his countrys men or end it and deal with the criticism. Tough choice, but he did what he had to do.
This is sad. He must have been meantally asleep! If you read the facts, you'll know just how powerful and well wired in the commies were (and still are in Hollywood).
My god, if we had a man like Harry in charge now how different things would be. Harry studied history- that was one of his great strengths- and Bush ignores history.
Hey Bowtie- that's a pretty dorky name there, sweety. Do you take it in your butt like your Mom does? When I was on top of her yesterday, right before I finished, she was stating how ashamed she was of you how she would never be proud of you. You can ask the other guys who were having at her. Or just ask her, but not yet cause her mouth is full. Happy Valentines.
looks like truman didn't read the constitution either. he didn't even go to congress for the korea war. also in 1952, truman seized the steel industry but the supreme court ruled it unconstitutional.
Catch that: "right-wing totalitarian" vs. "left-wing totalitarian threat." Both sides equally dangerous, equally complicit. This is not an indictment of our present political circumstances no matter how much some may want it to be.
it is an indictment to two extremes we need to keep away from/get rid of.America needs to be balanced and well centered for freedom to function for all.
Once again you distort completely what I said. I do not deeply admire Marx or Darwin, I've read them, as should any educated person. I'm am not anti-Torah and while YOU call Jesus a fake, phony, fraud (such a gift for writing you have) you accuse me of mocking christians. Debate with you is a waste of time because you argue not with facts but feelings and resort to lies and name-calling, the refuge of the ignorant.
Naked you cannot even get a fact straight when it is written in front of you. I stated very clearly that I was not a biblical scholar, but as with everything else you warp the facts to suit your ill considered ideas. The Republicans were in the White House and in control of the Congress long before the start of the Great Depression, so just how did the Democratic Party cause the greatest economic crisis in our history? History and truth reveal you utter lack of knowledge.
Where did the study of the Torah come into this dialogue??? I said I've read the Bible 3 times, I've never claimed to be a Biblical scholar. As with Darwin and Marx I feel that one should acquainted with all ideas. Marx and the Bible are interesting, if somewhat flawed philosophies. I do think Christ's sermon on the mount is about as good as they get however. Too bad Christians (most especially fundamentalists) don't follow his teachings.
Again janet you are laid bare in your ignorance. The Great Depression was caused by corporate greed abetted by Republican policies. Roosevelt, as I said, gave the nation hope and put it back work. Without the New Deal there would have been a violent revolution by both Fascists (Father Couglin) and
Communists proponents. Read Crisis of the Old Order and Coming of the New Deal. Also Roosevelt by Conrad (hardly a liberal).
You really need to study with an open mind and kindly do not construe what I've done. While I've read Marx and Darwin (if you have not you're lacking in education) and the entire Bible three time amongst a host of other philosophies. What I believe however is my own and I don't spit back faux facts like a dittohead.
My reading is broad, including both right, left and center. As a history major I've also done original document studies. FDR can only increase in stature; he dealt with the Great Depression (brought on my corporate excess) and restore hope to the people and then he went on to fight and win WWII. There is no overrating there.
Since nakedjanet is uninformed here goes. The only great presidents on you list are Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, TR and FDR. The others were good to fair. The irony is, considering the list is from a self-proclaimed right winger, that those great presidents, Washington through FDR were all LIBERALS.
nakedjanet: Put on some clothes and then pick up a few books and read instead of listening to Faux News and Rash Lintball for your "facts." Truman lived to see Nixon serve as president and never liked him. He said that if Nixon had read the Constitution he didn't understand it and history has proven him correct.
?lol?... Care to show where I stated North Korea is good. No it's Neo-Nazi republican traitors like you that support the actions of North Korea. Go back to viewing Faux news you fascist right-wing douche.
Care to explain where I said that. Truman was one of good Presidents in history not great but good. No second worst is between Tricky dick and the fascist reagan.
The republican and democrat parties are bought and paid for by global corporate interest from home and mostly abroad. Our roads are being given away to foreign corporations. What we're witnessing right now is the liquidation of the US. We the people have become the victims of an invisible revolution.
LOL...Harry Truman disliked prescott bush so much. I'm a proud Democratic liberal and would have been proud to have been in the years back fighting against idiots like you.
Funny the neo-nazi republicans of today are the same as when Truman took on the sobs. No wonder Truman told tricky dick to go to hell. reagan is a fascist and Truman disliked his McCarthy ways too.
The republiican party during WW2 took donations from Hitler. Hitler was/is all repulbican. Mussolini a republican.
Harry Truman was a Democratic liberal. Oh and he had a strong dislik for prescott bush. Truman has been known to have said that all repubs are sobs. Even told tricky dick to goto hell.
Ronald reagan and bushco are two of the worst presidents in U.S history. Reagan was/is extreme fascist.
Actually nakedjanet is truly naked of knowledge the quote in question was first made by Abe Lincoln and he was the First and Last Good Republican President he also said the HEN is truly the wisest of Gods creatures she only CACKLES after she lays an egg! And Janet Clothes do make the man (or woman) naked people get very little respect in society!
you need to study your history and stop you knee jerk reaction as a great republican said "better to have the world think you are a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt!" Harry Truman called the republican congress the "DO NOTHING" congress amd he called Nixon an S.O.B. If he were here today Bush would get an ear full I would be the farm on that!
I wish we would have the same attitude toward today's threats.
DanzHanzen 1 year ago
TRUMAN BEST PRESIDENT USA EVER
master82565 1 year ago
A Democrat who actually hated communism. Harry S Truman was a great president.
ToxicOdiousOne 1 year ago
Modern Democrats are nothing but a freak show of homosexuals, lesbians, delusional no nothings...perpetual adolescents staging fake rebellions. They have nothing whatsoever in common with Harry Truman.
ehunter2 2 years ago
"no nothings"???? whahahhahhahahhahah.....perhaps it is you who is the know, I mean "no" nothing
billheartyface 2 years ago
Lets see if you "know" this..when Truman gave this speech the US Govt was rife with Soviet spies..from Lauchlin Currie Presidential Aide to Harry White Asst.
Sec. of Treasury and hundreds of others..a fact not known till the Venona Transcripts were made public in 1980.
So McCarthy was telling the truth after all.
ehunter2 2 years ago
I'm not sure what is crazier. The number of Russians who revere Stalin or the number of right-wingers who think "McCarthy was telling the truth".
billheartyface 2 years ago
No no..whats really really crazy is the way somebody absolutely empty like Obama gets elected President..and thats because Obamas media machinery gave people a "image" that makes them happy
regardless of the truth. Along these lines is the liberal critiques of McCarthy..which is all about his personality..not one reference to fact that the Venona Transcripts opened in 1980s revealed that yes McCarthy WAS telling the truth about Soviet Agents..but that doesnt fit the liberal fanatsy
ehunter2 2 years ago
I've got nothing to say to the defender of a thug. goodbye.
billheartyface 2 years ago
Truman genocida de mierda, ojalá te estés pudriendo en el infierno.
marianomdqsurf 2 years ago
hey is there anywhere else i can get this video? I really need it for a media production that I am doing - thank you.
sakuranohana1523 2 years ago
Wrong: GW Bush was the worst president we've had to date. This guy stood up against a militant ideology, which was Communism. Our friendship with Russia changed with the Marxist revolt, not with Truman. This excerpt is
so germane now, with global terrorism
threatening our survival as a nation.
bookkeeper57 3 years ago
Both Truman and Bush were some of our worst presidents.
Justgetout 2 years ago
A great forgotten speech.
Snailbarf 3 years ago
yeah look at it now its completely the opposite from back then. Republicans now are different from then,Now their the ones that are against the civil rights. I would Never Vote for any of these republicans they would do anything to win. Democrats are the one pushing for equal Rights.
djdk89 3 years ago
Give em Hell Harry
djdk89 3 years ago
Now we simply call them Liberal Democrats...
dudemantwo 3 years ago
these democrats these days are why more liberal than back then
djdk89 3 years ago
Republicans were often from annoying liberal New England states...remember...Democrat asshles don't want you know this...but Democrats were the pillar of Jim Crow and segregation...the Democrat Party was the party of Jim Crow, slavery, segregation...
The Southern Manifesto was a Democrat document...Republicans were against slavery and against segregation...
dudemantwo 3 years ago
True, but after Civil Rights was passed. A lot of the idiot racist Democrats jumped over to the Republican Party(Thurmond, young Trent Lott, etc.)
HappyTheHobo13 3 years ago
The Southern Dixiecrats defected to the GOP mainly because of Truman's opposition to Jim Crowe.
allenchampagne 3 years ago
Bush thinks he will be vindicated because historians have given Harry Truman a thumbs up on his presidency. You historians are assholes...as an example...let's say Bush did make the world better...what about the 1000s that died in hurricane katrina...maybe one of them would have a cure for cancer? And honestly...do I want the world to be better a 1000 years from now? A tourist from Alabama going to Mars will be banging the stewardess, not thanking us or Bush for defeating terrorism.
dave98503 3 years ago
Does Truman have a Southern accent?
dudemantwo 3 years ago
he probably does.
dave98503 3 years ago
looks like he was born in Missouri...close enough.
dave98503 3 years ago
He has that kind of old-school Southern accent that really comes out on certain words that you don't get to hear in this clip.
tweakes 3 years ago
ironic how harry truman seems to play down the threat of communism in this video when he was the one who basically helped start the cold war
a democrat, not a right wing republican
Albyiscool 3 years ago
Stalin and the USSR started the Cold War, not Truman.
allenchampagne 3 years ago 5
both contributed a great deal.
it would be naive to say the US didnt play a role in the increasing tensions between the USSR and US
Albyiscool 3 years ago
Because the USSR took advantage of the conditions after world war 2 to make itself a strength in the region. Also it was ran by a maniacal dicator who didnt believe in God, and wanted to start a War in which the soviets would conquer the world, Truman did alot to prevent Stalins ideology to spread into other unstable parts of the world.
RockyBalboa211 3 years ago
Yes, it definitely took advantage of Eastern Europe, there was evidence of Truman attempting to psychologically intimidate Stalin with the strength of the atomic bomb.
The point is, when the Cold War was fully underway, imperialism all over the world was fully applied by both sides.
Albyiscool 3 years ago
True as well, thanks for the reply.. Yeah Truman did try to do that, but I just wish that maybe if FDR was healthier he could have put a tighter limits on the Soviets power gain after the war, I dislike Stalin very much though, but I guess you figured that out on my reply lol, well thanks again and god bless!
RockyBalboa211 3 years ago
Truman knew exactly how to fight communism and it was the way Communism was defeated. Everything else was a diversion, a waste of time and did us more harm than it did the Communists.
We have not had a conscientious leader with guts since Truman left office. Not a one, and that is why we are in the mess we are today.
mc0558 3 years ago 5
You are totally correct. Truman was the absolute best most honest leader ever. The Truman Doctrine. The Marshall Plan! He was and is the most loved president we ever had also.
steffidude 3 years ago
He did set the stage for all of Europe loving us for the rest of the century. He was also much tougher with the Soviets than FDR, which was good but FDR also did well
Albyiscool 3 years ago
We were on the same side when FDR was president. We needed to make a deal with one devil in order to fight an even worse devil.
Eisenhower did a pretty crummy job with the Cold War. Ike allowed Churchill to talk him into toppling the Iranian government, a move that still haunts us today. Truman refused Winston's request to intervene with Iran. He created the CIA for collecting intelligence, not nation building.
allenchampagne 3 years ago
both were pretty devilish, it was just a matter of who posed the greatest immediate threat to America at the time. It was a good move for FDR though I suppose.
Eisenhower did a fine job domestically and for most things foreign. It's true the Iran thing is haunting us, but he had some good policies, like when he pressued France, Israel, and Britain to withdraw from Egypt after an aggressive invasion.
Albyiscool 3 years ago
Winston told Ike the Iranian government was Communist (a lie being their leader was a staunch anti-Communist) and he bought into it. 25 years later, it bit us right in the ass.
allenchampagne 3 years ago
Allen - you're talking about the overthrow of Reza Shah?????????? He was pro-Axis. The changing of Persia's name to Iran was, like Hitler's Germany, an Aryan nation.
Besides Reza's son, Mohammed, was put on the Peacock Throne. Do you think Reza, had he lived, would have put Iran on a better foundation that Mohammed did?
The CIA was created for both intelligence gathering and nation building. The CIA has midwifed many regimes.
mc0558 3 years ago
Interesting point: Truman was absolutely disgusted with the CIA when they started breaking up governments in the late 50s. He said it was disturbing that an organization like that was allowed that kind of power and if he had known before he'd have never formed it.
grumpytosnowwhite 2 years ago
While all of Asia, all of Eastern Europe, much of Africa, Cuba, Guatemala, Phillippines, Korea, Vietnam, India, Congo, Iran, ..all were either being invaded physically by Communist armies..or under clandestine attack....how is Leftist morons fantasize that the CIA was just inventing threats eh?
ehunter2 2 years ago
Don't forget Mexico. On a visit, Truman placed a wreath at the site of a fort where Mexican troops were massacred during the Mexican War.
allenchampagne 3 years ago
Truman was tougher with the Soviets than FDR because the historic circumstances were different. FDR worked as much as he could with the Soviets because they were our allies in fighting the Germans (a not inconsiderable foe) and he wanted them to join us in the invasion of Japan. The enormous casualties the Soviets took save American lives. Before Normandy, the Germans had been weakened in the East in 3 years of the toughest fighting imaginable. When Truman dealt with them, the war was over.
mc0558 3 years ago
Not entirely, the war lasted about another month or so. At that point Truman had the atomic bomb and didn't want the Soviets' help in defeating Japan because he foresaw that they would have postwar demands in that region.
Albyiscool 3 years ago
Yes, the war lasted another 5 months, but agreements had been with Stalin at Yalta about his joining the Japanese war, clearing the Kwantung Army out of China (thought to be a more formidable task than it proved to be) and joining the invasion of Japan proper. Moreover,Stalin had the most formidable Army in Europe. To Americans, Stalin was still an estemed ally. Truman had a lot to do before confronting Stalin.
Everything done by FDR and Truman was done with America's best interests at heart.
mc0558 3 years ago
ok, the amount of time was my ignorance
I'm not entirely sure about the public opinion about the Soviets at the time in the US, I know it was high in Britian.
But I agree, they did have America's interests in mind.
Albyiscool 3 years ago
It might have been slightly higher in Britian than in the US. The British were more cognizant than the Americans of the Soviet contribution to victory. Typically, Americans they won the war and their allies did their bit, and why not?
However, there was certainly not a war-ready attitude towards the Soviet Union in the States prior to 1948 and possibly not even until 1951. It took the McCarthyite destruction of FDR progressive Liberalism to bring the country to that frame of mind.
mc0558 3 years ago
It depends to what aspect of liberalism you're refering. Socio-economic liberalism was prominent well into the 60's, with LBJ's Great Society, and the fact that Eisenhower didn't get rid of the New Deal. McCarthy came to be discredited within his own career in time.
Albyiscool 3 years ago
Well, you didn't have self-proclaimed "Conservatives" in America until the Republican Party grabbed the racist vote away from the Democrats and wedded it to the born-again movement. America afterall was founded on a revolution against legitimate authority. That reality set the course of American history until Nixon blackened the word Liberal and Reagan changed the meaning of Conservative.
But the big change in America came with the destruction of FDR's reputation by the McCarthyites.
mc0558 3 years ago
Conservative had been a political term for years. The Federalists, the Whigs, the people who drafted the Constitution were considered conservative. And Reagan didn't exactly change the meaning of the word, he just labeled neoconservatives as conservative.
As for FDR, his reputation wasn't destroyed nearly as much as McCarthy's himself. His targets weren't just liberals, he accused President Eisenhower of being a communist even.
Albyiscool 3 years ago
I am not talking about people who were considered more conservative than their opponents. I am talking about people who identified themselves as "Conservatives". That is a phenomenon of the late 20th century.
Throughout the 30s and 40s Republicans were tarred with the Great Depression. FDR won elections hardly campaigning at all. Truman won in 1948 partially on FDR's coattails and the fear of a new Republican Depression. Republicans had to destroy FDR's reputation and McCarthy + Ike did so.
mc0558 3 years ago
I find that hard to believe since
1. Ike and McCarthy were at odds with each other
2. Ike was a moderate Republican, in a liberal era, who continued FDR's welfare policies of the New Deal
Albyiscool 3 years ago
You are naive. Ike turned against McCarthy a year or so AFTER the election. He never crossed McCarthy before that. He didn't even defend Marshall, who had made his career, when McCarthy went after him.
Ike never liked FDR giving him orders. FDR controlled his generals absolutely. The only one he was solicitious of was Marshall. Ike didn't like being ordered about by anyone, even the President.
Ike never defended FDR from the treason allegations the Right threw against him in the early 50's
mc0558 3 years ago
Was it the responsibility of Eisenhower to protect the President from every accusation? Holding the highest position in the US military, Eisenhower, more than anyone else, would have a sense of responsibilty and loyalty towards his commander in chief.
I question where you heard about these motives of Ike.
Albyiscool 3 years ago
It depends on the kind of person you are. General Marshall was admired by lots of people, and when McCarthy began attacking him in his usual way, they came to his defence. Eisenhower, whose career was made by Marshall, didn't. He said nothing when FDR, not alive to defend himself, was falsely attacked. Ike was personally insulting to Mr. & Mrs Truman. Ike was testy and looked after numero uno.
It has been written about in numerous memoirs, biographies and histories of this period.
mc0558 3 years ago
well whatever, I have no way to verify whether that's true or not, so I really have nothing more to say.
Albyiscool 3 years ago
There are many excellent monographs on Joe McCarthy. One is by Richard Rovere, entitled simply Senator Joe McCarthy. I recommend it.
In 1952, McCarthy's hold on the American political scene was such that he was the one man Ike had to play up to to get his support. It was said that he promised McCarthy not to name anyone to his cabinet of which McCarthy disapproved. Of course Ike and his sidekick Beedle Smith knew the many ways of skinning a cat, and in the end they skinned him alive.
mc0558 3 years ago
Truman's containment policy was for aiding free nations to resist Communist insurgencies. He wasn't going to help any anti-Communist dictatorship. During the Korean War, he refused to rescue the ousted Chinese leader because he pocketed the U.S. aid money for himself. He said he wasn't gonna to risk one American soldier to save that son of a bitch.
allenchampagne 3 years ago
I answered this. EVERYONE at the time hated Chiang, including the mass of the Chinese people. Thanks to the China Lobby (run by Chiang's brother in law, T.V.Sung), McCarthy, Nixon and the rest, the US public opinion was blinded to this reality and for decades we had the absurdity of Chiang being called the President of China.
mc0558 3 years ago
Harry Truman never particularly liked being president either, he repeatedly made comments about how much he wished he wasnt where he was and I think that if Roosevelt hadnt died he would never have ran in the first place. He just happened to be the right man at the right place in the right time upon his ascension, knew the way things worked home and abroad better than any live man, and thankfully used his wisdom to guide us through one of the most perilous times in our entire 250 year history.
ElitePirateUpsilon 3 years ago 3
Give 'em hell, Harry!
rickji2 3 years ago
Turman old style democrat from the Kansas City Democrat machine that made the country better for the long term. Truman is what democart should strive for. Sad, the democrats went from the working mans party to the Uber Elites party.
gizmosells 3 years ago
dave98503 3 years ago
my grandpa loves truman. He's a pretty bipartisan world war two veteran who said "everything he did was in the best interest of america" Now you can argue all you want, but without an actual person's account of truman, you contradict your own points.
egvag 3 years ago
there are those who agree and
love the current president as well.
it's all based on different views
of people. i'm just basing it
on what i've heard some people say as well...but
also going by my views.
views of "all" presidents change back
and forth over time. i've heard it go back and forth all the time during the years.
(nothing against your grandpa...i'm sure
he could convince me otherwise about Truman)
dave98503 3 years ago
So basically you're saying that a president should be judged by the partisan public sentiment of his times rather than historical perspective and sixty years worth of hindsight that allows historians to see the effects of his presidency and a clearer less partisan view on the issues he was faced with?
ElitePirateUpsilon 3 years ago
What can you name,exactly, that has made
our world better because of Truman? Didn't
he stop McCarthy from going further into North Korea and China. What if in the future, we are in a war with China over oil or they invade Taiwan. Will we then regret that Truman stopped Mccarthy from invading further to stop communists. Will history then judge Truman wrong and a bad President if millions of U.S. citizens are killed in such a scenario? Things change over time. Worry about what happens today.
dave98503 3 years ago
Well, if Truman had let McArthur (not McCarthy) invade China we would probably still be feeling the effects of the nuclear war that was sure to have happened. Even if this stuff you say might happen in the future happens, at least the survivors can have those additional 70 years of civilization to look back on. Disco, Hands Across America, The Macarena, "retro" t-shirts....
allenchampagne 3 years ago
retro t-shirts?
hahahahahahahahahahahaha
...good one.
I guess they don't make them like they
used to. t-shirt wise.
i've heard of retro watches as well...at a certain point we need to stop looking back and move ahead. I could look back at the internet back in 1997 but it wouldn't be such a pleasant thought with all the hang ups and 5 minute delays to log onto a sight.
dave98503 3 years ago
That was the joke. In the event of a nuclear holocaust, the survivors will look back on the stupid fads and say, "those were the days." Or better yet, they could look back on them and say, "Thank God that's over,"
allenchampagne 3 years ago
I wrote a reply...not sure if you are able to see my opinion.
That's about all i had to say on the matter.
you can disagree.
In regards to the current President, I don't mind him kissing and going and shaking hands with the Princes of the Middle East. What
bothered me was the loss of over 1,800 lives of Katrina, when the President and Condi(who was shopping for high heels at the time) could have done more before the storm hit New Orleans. Also, you can't bring back the lives lost in iraq.
dave98503 3 years ago
I think you might misunderstand me, I am in no way endorsing the current administration, I think that their mistakes make them comparable with the Harding administration. What I was criticizing was what seemed to be your idea that presidents shouldnt be judged based on historical perspective, but you cleared that up. Things that have made our world better on Truman's behalf include the implementation of the Marshall Plan, the desegregation of the army, taking a hard-line against the USSR...
ElitePirateUpsilon 3 years ago
got it, thanks also.
I think it is mostly Bush who
brings up that fact about how
history will judge him better in the future
also. your not supposed to "think" how history
will judge you, but you need to do what you
think is best "at the moment"...he's acting
like some sort of psychic and when he says
that...the hard line republicans by into it and then they start saying the same thing.
If things were going Great...Bush and the administration would never make such a ridiculous comment.
dave98503 3 years ago
Exactly, and thats what puts Truman so far above and apart from Bush. Harry Truman was always an incredibly modest human being, although he'd often criticize the policies of others at the time he'd never take the most of the credit for many of his successes and was characterized by the many that new him personally as modest and humble. He never saw himself as a great man or visionary, only the right man for the job. On the other hand Bush sees himself as a far-seeing and all knowing messiah
ElitePirateUpsilon 3 years ago 2
Just another point along with the point
I just made...if Bush knew anything about
history...we wouldn't be going through all
this mess currently.
dave98503 3 years ago
And he was a tough man. That is very essential for leadership. We have been plagued by cowardice/ appeasement in leadership for twenty years now.
Raughwe 3 years ago
I respect Truman. He was the last president, who truly, did what he had to do regardless of public reaction. Did he want to drop the nukes? I don't think so. Did he have to? Yes. In order to save American Boys lives he had to. Either let Japan drag on the war and stubbornly refuse surrender and lose more and more of his countrys men or end it and deal with the criticism. Tough choice, but he did what he had to do.
mtj8 3 years ago 3
Screw Truman.
Second
worst President
we ever had.
I would have voted for
Dewey. Communism? What a joke. HaHaHaHaHaHa.
dave98503 4 years ago
What does he say that is so crazy and incorrect? Truman was a damn fine president. And got us out of the war.
ktrice1 4 years ago 3
Got you American out of war and helped to start another war in middle east!
andysiska 4 years ago
This is sad. He must have been meantally asleep! If you read the facts, you'll know just how powerful and well wired in the commies were (and still are in Hollywood).
vidonweb 4 years ago
Wow, this footage should be incorporated into a Moveondotorg commercial...
winrx 4 years ago
My god, if we had a man like Harry in charge now how different things would be. Harry studied history- that was one of his great strengths- and Bush ignores history.
oldcremona 4 years ago
Truman was correct about the right-wing danger then. After he left office the Neo-Nazi republicans started their proud McCarthy era.
Ronald reagan the extreme fascist that he is took part in this greatly.
So it's ironic today that all the right-wingers running for President like reagan soo much. I mean who can out fascist ronald reagan.
bowtie3 4 years ago
There's one in every bunch. Fruitcake.
Raughwe 4 years ago
Your just a typical right-wing lowlife. Neo-nazi republican.
bowtie3 4 years ago
Hey Bowtie- that's a pretty dorky name there, sweety. Do you take it in your butt like your Mom does? When I was on top of her yesterday, right before I finished, she was stating how ashamed she was of you how she would never be proud of you. You can ask the other guys who were having at her. Or just ask her, but not yet cause her mouth is full. Happy Valentines.
codewintawind 4 years ago
Oh I'm sorry I think your wrong Neo-nazi republican. That was your mother. You know the like that right-wing scum like Ann Coulter.
bowtie3 4 years ago
That's the best you got? Go to a literacy class kim jong.
Raughwe 4 years ago
Who are you talking to? If it's me then you can go back to the backwaters you came from.
bowtie3 4 years ago
looks like truman didn't read the constitution either. he didn't even go to congress for the korea war. also in 1952, truman seized the steel industry but the supreme court ruled it unconstitutional.
colonicvillus 4 years ago
Catch that: "right-wing totalitarian" vs. "left-wing totalitarian threat." Both sides equally dangerous, equally complicit. This is not an indictment of our present political circumstances no matter how much some may want it to be.
Piquichi123 4 years ago
it is an indictment to two extremes we need to keep away from/get rid of.America needs to be balanced and well centered for freedom to function for all.
upconstruct 4 years ago
Well said. Exactly Truman's point...and one I agree with. :)
Piquichi123 4 years ago
Once again you distort completely what I said. I do not deeply admire Marx or Darwin, I've read them, as should any educated person. I'm am not anti-Torah and while YOU call Jesus a fake, phony, fraud (such a gift for writing you have) you accuse me of mocking christians. Debate with you is a waste of time because you argue not with facts but feelings and resort to lies and name-calling, the refuge of the ignorant.
shadowlawn3761 4 years ago
Naked you cannot even get a fact straight when it is written in front of you. I stated very clearly that I was not a biblical scholar, but as with everything else you warp the facts to suit your ill considered ideas. The Republicans were in the White House and in control of the Congress long before the start of the Great Depression, so just how did the Democratic Party cause the greatest economic crisis in our history? History and truth reveal you utter lack of knowledge.
shadowlawn3761 4 years ago
Where did the study of the Torah come into this dialogue??? I said I've read the Bible 3 times, I've never claimed to be a Biblical scholar. As with Darwin and Marx I feel that one should acquainted with all ideas. Marx and the Bible are interesting, if somewhat flawed philosophies. I do think Christ's sermon on the mount is about as good as they get however. Too bad Christians (most especially fundamentalists) don't follow his teachings.
shadowlawn3761 4 years ago
Again janet you are laid bare in your ignorance. The Great Depression was caused by corporate greed abetted by Republican policies. Roosevelt, as I said, gave the nation hope and put it back work. Without the New Deal there would have been a violent revolution by both Fascists (Father Couglin) and
Communists proponents. Read Crisis of the Old Order and Coming of the New Deal. Also Roosevelt by Conrad (hardly a liberal).
shadowlawn3761 4 years ago
You really need to study with an open mind and kindly do not construe what I've done. While I've read Marx and Darwin (if you have not you're lacking in education) and the entire Bible three time amongst a host of other philosophies. What I believe however is my own and I don't spit back faux facts like a dittohead.
shadowlawn3761 4 years ago
My reading is broad, including both right, left and center. As a history major I've also done original document studies. FDR can only increase in stature; he dealt with the Great Depression (brought on my corporate excess) and restore hope to the people and then he went on to fight and win WWII. There is no overrating there.
shadowlawn3761 4 years ago
Since nakedjanet is uninformed here goes. The only great presidents on you list are Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, TR and FDR. The others were good to fair. The irony is, considering the list is from a self-proclaimed right winger, that those great presidents, Washington through FDR were all LIBERALS.
shadowlawn3761 4 years ago
nakedjanet: Put on some clothes and then pick up a few books and read instead of listening to Faux News and Rash Lintball for your "facts." Truman lived to see Nixon serve as president and never liked him. He said that if Nixon had read the Constitution he didn't understand it and history has proven him correct.
shadowlawn3761 4 years ago
yay truman was able to tell those left wing bastards and not get scared like a lot of presidents and prime ministers seem to do.
ultradumbass 4 years ago
Neo-nazi republican ultradumbass
bowtie3 4 years ago
Yep you are a typical republican douche.
Just like the fascist reagan and the morons in the right-wing primaries attempting to who can out fascist the other.
bowtie3 4 years ago
you don't like it...go to north korea...lol...moron...
ultradumbass 4 years ago
North korea is your are.
Good old fascist Murdoch really like North Korea.
bowtie3 4 years ago
North Korea is your pals. Neo-nazi republican.
bowtie3 4 years ago
you are a waste of time fag...going around acting as if north korea is good....get a grip. i don't see you living there.
ultradumbass 4 years ago
LOL.. North Korea is your pals. Oh nice showing how much of a bigot you are.
bowtie3 4 years ago
?lol?... Care to show where I stated North Korea is good. No it's Neo-Nazi republican traitors like you that support the actions of North Korea. Go back to viewing Faux news you fascist right-wing douche.
bowtie3 4 years ago
better to be right winged than left. at least right winged is advancing the nation. left wing is bringing it to the medieval ages.
ultradumbass 3 years ago
lol.. There was just a right-winger who ran in 2006 saying if he could he would take away a woman's right to vote. What century is it?
bowtie3 3 years ago
lol and communism would do much more harm than that. get yourself educated in politics before making stupid comments.
ultradumbass 3 years ago
lol.. Your one stupid right-winger. No wonder people hate republicans today. Just like that scumbag reagan.
bowtie3 3 years ago
You're judging all conservatives on the basis of one unnamed bigot who didn't win election?
jd24717 3 years ago
It's not solely about korea, but also Arabs! moron!
andysiska 4 years ago
What is that suppose to mean?
bowtie3 4 years ago
I agree with you
Bowtie3.
This guy is the second
worst President we ever had.
dave98503 4 years ago
He licked zionist ball
andysiska 4 years ago
Care to explain where I said that. Truman was one of good Presidents in history not great but good. No second worst is between Tricky dick and the fascist reagan.
bowtie3 4 years ago
The republican and democrat parties are bought and paid for by global corporate interest from home and mostly abroad. Our roads are being given away to foreign corporations. What we're witnessing right now is the liquidation of the US. We the people have become the victims of an invisible revolution.
geoffstockton 4 years ago
LOL...Harry Truman disliked prescott bush so much. I'm a proud Democratic liberal and would have been proud to have been in the years back fighting against idiots like you.
Funny the neo-nazi republicans of today are the same as when Truman took on the sobs. No wonder Truman told tricky dick to go to hell. reagan is a fascist and Truman disliked his McCarthy ways too.
The republiican party during WW2 took donations from Hitler. Hitler was/is all repulbican. Mussolini a republican.
bowtie3 4 years ago
Harry Truman was a Democratic liberal. Oh and he had a strong dislik for prescott bush. Truman has been known to have said that all repubs are sobs. Even told tricky dick to goto hell.
Ronald reagan and bushco are two of the worst presidents in U.S history. Reagan was/is extreme fascist.
bowtie3 4 years ago
Actually nakedjanet is truly naked of knowledge the quote in question was first made by Abe Lincoln and he was the First and Last Good Republican President he also said the HEN is truly the wisest of Gods creatures she only CACKLES after she lays an egg! And Janet Clothes do make the man (or woman) naked people get very little respect in society!
timoth45 4 years ago
you need to study your history and stop you knee jerk reaction as a great republican said "better to have the world think you are a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt!" Harry Truman called the republican congress the "DO NOTHING" congress amd he called Nixon an S.O.B. If he were here today Bush would get an ear full I would be the farm on that!
timoth45 4 years ago
GIVE EM HELL HARRY!
How appropriate for the times in which we currently live here in the USA! Truman was and will remain the GREATEST AMERICAN PRESIDENT EVER!
kc10ken 4 years ago
How dare the Republican party try to say they govern in the spirit of this man!
mdchub45 4 years ago
thank you
laurensadriaanse 4 years ago
NUKE IRAN HARRY!
SHUTUPARAB 5 years ago
where are the real democrats now? They have lost
their identity with the common man. America needs
another Harry Truman. No BS Harry, just get it done ;)
kingfish4242 5 years ago
you're dumb
Synthe 4 years ago
Givem' Hell Harry!!!!
brettp1982 5 years ago
What year was this?
Filby 5 years ago