@YuBoy0344 well they did knock him down and he cheated with smelling salts and ripped gloves against cooper, clay was a cheat, pussy and a racist! louis would have killed him!
@alexvoce PROVE IT. Only time Ali got knocked DOWN was when he was devoloping as a fighter and after a 3-year exhile. The man you're dickriding got knocked OUT numerous times. Ali had great boxing skills, youure just one of them haters that cant stand a brother shining. You're just a jealous hater. Get over it. Get a life
@YuBoy0344 blah blah exile this joe frazier would have killed ali anyway despite the exile bullshit, he was a cheat and a racist. In fact he didnt have tremendous boxing skills he just amazing reflexes and resillience his skills were actually poor chin up high leaning instead of lipping punches so piss off
@alexvoce Oh yeah? Why didnt Frazier kill Ali in the second and third fight?? If his style was bad, why couldnt opponents manage to knock him out. So what if his style is diffrent, it worked for him. And he gave us spectaculair boxing instead of basic-style fighters. Jou must hate him real bad if you cant acknowledge his record. 56 wins 5 losses. And he got most of his losses in his late 30's. Please, bring some real arguments next time.
@YuBoy0344 2nd fight friazer had already been defeated by foreman.. also all clay did was hold him at back of head and punch which is illegal but the ref tony perez did nothing, 3rd fight frazier couldnt see he was alreayd blind in 1 eye from accident years b4 then his other closed up otherwhise he wud have won, wot about the robberies of ken norton in 2nd nd 3rd fight the robbery of jimmy young as well? (clay was in prime for young fight) he was a cheating cunt glad he got parkinsons
@alexvoce No Muhammad Ali was not in no prime for Young Fight, Ali's prime was stolen and the closest too it was 64-67. What Ali did in the 2nd Frazier fight was to neutralize the inside fighter on the inside. He won that fight. Frazier was not blind although his eye sight wasn't great in that eye. How dumb is it to say if his eye didn't closr he'd have won. You make it sound like it just closed. Ali closed his eye when he was beating Joe around the ring in the late rounds.
When it comes to Muhammad Ali , there is always some who is gonna put the record straight. Each fighter develops differently. Ali was only knocked down when he was DEVELOPING as a fighter, then after 1964 nobody could knock him down. He only got knocked down after being out of the ring for 3 years 7 months on his come back. Louis got knocked out in his prime ! Tyson got knocked out in his prime. Jack Dempsey never fought a black fighter.
1916 july 14th. john lester johnson 10 rd ND. New York. Jan, 1916 Ogden, Utah. Boston Bearcat Ko 1. Watch the whole willard fight in segments on you-tube. Sparring sessions against Bill Tate & jamaica Kid. Photo of George Godfrey in camp as sparring mate. Prove it ?
several years ago billy conn fought a black robber in a penn. cofee shop,he yanked the mutts coat off with his id in it ,the cops got him later.tough irish guy.
Poor Billy. But they say he was well taken care of by the Rooney family and all the Pittsburghers who loved him, while Lewis ended up with Max Schmeling lending him money. As for Burt Sugar, he should take a drag off that cigar or ditch it. Just holding it all day is totally wuss.
"When Joe Louis asked Lena Horne, with whom he was then having a relationship, to keep score for him at a Hollywood golf benefit, the singer refused -- she was entertaining troops that day. Joe hit her with a left hook. Then he started to choke her. In his 1978 autobiography, written with Edna and Art Rust Jr., Louis said that the only thing that saved Lena's life was an aunt in the next room who threatened to call the police."
tinribb, in some of his fights he was! In THIS FIGHT he weighed 189lbs as a catch weight if you wish! I know what you are saying for example when Louis fought Braddock he was around 199lbs
When Joe Louis asked Lena Horne, with whom he was then having a relationship, to keep score for him at a Hollywood golf benefit, the singer refused -- she was entertaining troops that day. Joe hit her with a left hook. Then he started to choke her. In his 1978 autobiography, written with Edna and Art Rust Jr., Louis said that the only thing that saved Lena's life was an aunt in the next room who threatened to call the police.
What a lot of people forget about THIS fight is, Joe louis usually weighed 201-207 lbs, in the conn fight he agreed to fight at around 188-190lbs. So! The point being was Louis was weight drained and was having a bad night. He beat Conn at the brink of destruction, no fighter ever did that in my view.
a prime Muhammad Ali would have ran rings aroung Joe Louis ..ali had the height ,reach, quickness .hand speed and he punced harder than conn .ali would have won by either a decision or T.K.O
joe louis handled plenty of guys with reach and speed and power. the question is could ali handle someone with the technical ability, accuracy, and power of louis. louis could be a pure boxer or a pressure fighter when he needed. he had the tools to put a serious beating on ali.
@bhop990.. ali was a different type of heavyweight ,he had the hand speed the foot speed of a middle weight .and one of the best jabs in boxing history ..joe louis always had a hard time with master boxers .ali would have out boxed him .louis would be able to catch a young ali like the ali that destroyed sonny liston and cleveland williams
meant he wouldnt have been able to catch a young ali..if billy conn could have beaten louis like that for 12 rounds ..what do you think a young ali would have done..plus ali wasnt stupid like conn who tried to trade with a hard puncher ..ali would have outboxed him and won on points or a t.k.o
why do people always say he had handspeed like a middleweight. just dumb. not even going to argue that. plenty of people caught up to ali, people who were weren't anywhere near joe louis' league.
the muhammad ali of the mid 60's was at his very best .after the 3 year ban from boxing he wasnt the same ali ..thats when peple caught up to him but he prevailed none the less ..joe louis was a flat footed fighter in his prime ..most of the fighters he beat were lame .only max shmeling, max bear billy conn and joe walcott were formidable opponents ..the rest were awkward bums
he was 29 when he came back to fight frazier. there is no possible way to be past your prime at 29 unless you got hit by a truck or some shit. ali hadnt been in any hard fights up to that point. he stayed in shape and didnt get fat when he was laid off. slow plodding frazier didnt seem to have a hard time catching up to him though did he?
@bhop990 Muhammad Ali's footwork was never the same and his timing wasn't there completly when he first came back. Whether you want to acknowlege it or not Ali was a different fighter after the 3 year lay off. There is a such thing as ring rust as well.
@bhop990 The reason that people say it is because it was absolutely true. Some of his fastest punches were measured on camera as around .04 and .05 hundreds of a second. Meaning that his hands went from the starting position to the target in 1/20th of a second. Forget the speed of a middleweight, handspeed like that it faster than a lot of light weights. Also no that his arms were almost 3 ft. long punching from his sides so he had further to go. As far as footwork he was lighting on his feet.
@marcxopoco Yeah when Ali was old, past his prime and not even close to as fast or as sharp as he was in the 60s. As I said it is a proven fact that Ali in his PRIME through punches that were 4 and 5 hundreths of a second and its a proven fact that he was faster than most middle weights.
@marcxopoco Now your delusional. What I'm telling you is that the speed of the punches were measured. Muhammad Ali IS the FASTEST HEAVYWEIGHT OF ALL TIME in both hand and foot speed. Fact.
@Freddie1980 That is a Scientific Fact and it was proven. Muhammad Ali had the fastest heavyweight jab ever recorded and it was faster than most middleweights.
Joe was in his prime back and the best fighter in that era by a mile back then you gotta give Billy some credit for cripes sake like it or not Billy was a 160 pound fighter when he started.. and almost won .. Joe even told Billy you had it won ..
You can't say ali could of boxed his ears off cuz there different fighters different styles. Ali could very well win the fight hittin and movin but like Joe Louis once said, "You can run but you can't hide" and sooner or later i believe Louis would of caught Ali and it would have been good night
great asssss fight. i watched the whole thing on dvd.omg how the fuck did louis not get knocked out. that man has an iron chin.....mad props to one of the greatest heavywieghts of all time
i agree Louis was on rub legs vs a 170lb guy,,,,who had 1/2 Ali size, speed and strength....Ali would have been to much for Joe......Ali was also never Ko'ed.....LASTLY I believe Marciano would have beat Louis even in his prime.
uh, henry cooper had ali out on his feet. he was saved by the bell. he was dropped by doug jones who weighed 190 and wasnt known for his power. louis beat the pants off max baer who was by all counts a monstrous puncher who killed 2 men in the ring.
Conn is the most formidable for Joe Louis during Louis's peak time. He was faster in footwork and his hand speed but as only light heavyweight, Conn lacked of endurance and weak chin. That is the main reason why Louis could stop faster Conn at the end.
I REMEMBER reading about billy a few years ago stopping a robbery in progress in pa. A BLACK MALE walked in and started to rob the cashier ,billy fought him but the black threw him to the ground and threw a food stand on him.WHAT A BLACK COWARD TO DO THIS TO A SENIOR CITIZEN.SHAMEFUL.
I gotta hand it to Billy, that guy showed no fear in fighting Joe. Thats the only way to box a man like Joe; punches in bunches. But Joe proves once again that a true champion never bends to another man's will.
Most guys who move up in weight class don't take their punch with them. Note; If Conn were a natural Heavyweight the fight would have been over a long time ago with Conn being the winner...
Conn must have regretted this til the day he died. He was leading on the cards and all he had to do was box...but the glory of knocking out Joe Louis was too much to resist.
LOL.. Billy almost had him,he got a little too cocky in the 13th round an paid for it, joe an billy met up years after fight an billy asked joe why couldnt he of let him hold the belt till the rematch, joe replied " Billy i lent it to you for 13 rounds an you did'nt know what to do with it".. get this book.. the 12 greatest rounds of boxing by Ferdie Pacheco, he worked as a medic for loads of great heavy weights. Its a good read.
Great quote. Thanks for sharing that one. It's a shame that we have to troll youtube in search of good boxing fights and knowledge these days instead of being able to just tune into network television.
conn reminds me of gene tunney and corbett, love those sort of fighters
toby099 1 month ago
Damn Conn had good defense.
TheTerrorUforgot 3 months ago
I wish you can buy all of joe louis fights in hd color footage
quaabhunter 6 months ago
Cooooooonnnnnnnn!!!
takky9298 10 months ago
my dads friend was tim conn billy conn's son hahaha i get to see him a lot
raffibrother 1 year ago
what a battle what legends
awesome399 1 year ago
what color are louis trunks?
tweezee 1 year ago
They should colorize all of joe louis's fights and put them on youtube.
1outlawz 1 year ago
chuck wepner and henry cooper knocked ali on his butt.
scorzeny45 2 years ago
@scorzeny45 BULLSHIT, chuck wepner got knocked the fuck out & Henry Coopers face got messed up, thats what you get facing ali
YuBoy0344 1 year ago
@YuBoy0344 well they did knock him down and he cheated with smelling salts and ripped gloves against cooper, clay was a cheat, pussy and a racist! louis would have killed him!
alexvoce 1 year ago
@alexvoce PROVE IT. Only time Ali got knocked DOWN was when he was devoloping as a fighter and after a 3-year exhile. The man you're dickriding got knocked OUT numerous times. Ali had great boxing skills, youure just one of them haters that cant stand a brother shining. You're just a jealous hater. Get over it. Get a life
YuBoy0344 1 year ago
@YuBoy0344 blah blah exile this joe frazier would have killed ali anyway despite the exile bullshit, he was a cheat and a racist. In fact he didnt have tremendous boxing skills he just amazing reflexes and resillience his skills were actually poor chin up high leaning instead of lipping punches so piss off
alexvoce 1 year ago
@alexvoce Oh yeah? Why didnt Frazier kill Ali in the second and third fight?? If his style was bad, why couldnt opponents manage to knock him out. So what if his style is diffrent, it worked for him. And he gave us spectaculair boxing instead of basic-style fighters. Jou must hate him real bad if you cant acknowledge his record. 56 wins 5 losses. And he got most of his losses in his late 30's. Please, bring some real arguments next time.
YuBoy0344 1 year ago
@YuBoy0344 2nd fight friazer had already been defeated by foreman.. also all clay did was hold him at back of head and punch which is illegal but the ref tony perez did nothing, 3rd fight frazier couldnt see he was alreayd blind in 1 eye from accident years b4 then his other closed up otherwhise he wud have won, wot about the robberies of ken norton in 2nd nd 3rd fight the robbery of jimmy young as well? (clay was in prime for young fight) he was a cheating cunt glad he got parkinsons
alexvoce 1 year ago 2
@alexvoce Who is Clay? Who are you?
YuBoy0344 1 year ago
@YuBoy0344 well if u dont know who clay is ur whole pathetic gay argument is void u fucking idiot
alexvoce 1 year ago
@alexvoce No Muhammad Ali was not in no prime for Young Fight, Ali's prime was stolen and the closest too it was 64-67. What Ali did in the 2nd Frazier fight was to neutralize the inside fighter on the inside. He won that fight. Frazier was not blind although his eye sight wasn't great in that eye. How dumb is it to say if his eye didn't closr he'd have won. You make it sound like it just closed. Ali closed his eye when he was beating Joe around the ring in the late rounds.
JcLeopard 10 months ago
When it comes to Muhammad Ali , there is always some who is gonna put the record straight. Each fighter develops differently. Ali was only knocked down when he was DEVELOPING as a fighter, then after 1964 nobody could knock him down. He only got knocked down after being out of the ring for 3 years 7 months on his come back. Louis got knocked out in his prime ! Tyson got knocked out in his prime. Jack Dempsey never fought a black fighter.
truthhitmanisback 2 years ago
Dempsey did fight black fighters. Constantly had hired black sparring partners in his camp. Get your facts straight.
faltagh 2 years ago
Prove it.
truthhitmanisback 2 years ago
1916 july 14th. john lester johnson 10 rd ND. New York. Jan, 1916 Ogden, Utah. Boston Bearcat Ko 1. Watch the whole willard fight in segments on you-tube. Sparring sessions against Bill Tate & jamaica Kid. Photo of George Godfrey in camp as sparring mate. Prove it ?
faltagh 2 years ago
Thanks for updating my information. Truth is truth. Peace.
truthhitmanisback 2 years ago
you are welcome.
faltagh 2 years ago
several years ago billy conn fought a black robber in a penn. cofee shop,he yanked the mutts coat off with his id in it ,the cops got him later.tough irish guy.
scorzeny45 2 years ago
Poor Billy. But they say he was well taken care of by the Rooney family and all the Pittsburghers who loved him, while Lewis ended up with Max Schmeling lending him money. As for Burt Sugar, he should take a drag off that cigar or ditch it. Just holding it all day is totally wuss.
Peterh588 2 years ago
Tunney would have beat Louis 9 out of 10 times. Given him a boxing lesson!!
faltagh 2 years ago
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"When Joe Louis asked Lena Horne, with whom he was then having a relationship, to keep score for him at a Hollywood golf benefit, the singer refused -- she was entertaining troops that day. Joe hit her with a left hook. Then he started to choke her. In his 1978 autobiography, written with Edna and Art Rust Jr., Louis said that the only thing that saved Lena's life was an aunt in the next room who threatened to call the police."
MrPalspal 2 years ago
tinribb, in some of his fights he was! In THIS FIGHT he weighed 189lbs as a catch weight if you wish! I know what you are saying for example when Louis fought Braddock he was around 199lbs
dgyldokw 2 years ago
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When Joe Louis asked Lena Horne, with whom he was then having a relationship, to keep score for him at a Hollywood golf benefit, the singer refused -- she was entertaining troops that day. Joe hit her with a left hook. Then he started to choke her. In his 1978 autobiography, written with Edna and Art Rust Jr., Louis said that the only thing that saved Lena's life was an aunt in the next room who threatened to call the police.
ricflarefucknsucks 2 years ago
What a lot of people forget about THIS fight is, Joe louis usually weighed 201-207 lbs, in the conn fight he agreed to fight at around 188-190lbs. So! The point being was Louis was weight drained and was having a bad night. He beat Conn at the brink of destruction, no fighter ever did that in my view.
dgyldokw 2 years ago
Louis' weight was 199 and a half.
tinrib656 2 years ago
a prime Muhammad Ali would have ran rings aroung Joe Louis ..ali had the height ,reach, quickness .hand speed and he punced harder than conn .ali would have won by either a decision or T.K.O
fashizze 2 years ago
joe louis handled plenty of guys with reach and speed and power. the question is could ali handle someone with the technical ability, accuracy, and power of louis. louis could be a pure boxer or a pressure fighter when he needed. he had the tools to put a serious beating on ali.
bhop990 2 years ago
@bhop990.. ali was a different type of heavyweight ,he had the hand speed the foot speed of a middle weight .and one of the best jabs in boxing history ..joe louis always had a hard time with master boxers .ali would have out boxed him .louis would be able to catch a young ali like the ali that destroyed sonny liston and cleveland williams
fashizze 2 years ago
meant he wouldnt have been able to catch a young ali..if billy conn could have beaten louis like that for 12 rounds ..what do you think a young ali would have done..plus ali wasnt stupid like conn who tried to trade with a hard puncher ..ali would have outboxed him and won on points or a t.k.o
fashizze 2 years ago
why do people always say he had handspeed like a middleweight. just dumb. not even going to argue that. plenty of people caught up to ali, people who were weren't anywhere near joe louis' league.
bhop990 2 years ago
the muhammad ali of the mid 60's was at his very best .after the 3 year ban from boxing he wasnt the same ali ..thats when peple caught up to him but he prevailed none the less ..joe louis was a flat footed fighter in his prime ..most of the fighters he beat were lame .only max shmeling, max bear billy conn and joe walcott were formidable opponents ..the rest were awkward bums
fashizze 2 years ago
he was 29 when he came back to fight frazier. there is no possible way to be past your prime at 29 unless you got hit by a truck or some shit. ali hadnt been in any hard fights up to that point. he stayed in shape and didnt get fat when he was laid off. slow plodding frazier didnt seem to have a hard time catching up to him though did he?
bhop990 2 years ago
@bhop990 Muhammad Ali's footwork was never the same and his timing wasn't there completly when he first came back. Whether you want to acknowlege it or not Ali was a different fighter after the 3 year lay off. There is a such thing as ring rust as well.
JcLeopard 10 months ago
@bhop990 The reason that people say it is because it was absolutely true. Some of his fastest punches were measured on camera as around .04 and .05 hundreds of a second. Meaning that his hands went from the starting position to the target in 1/20th of a second. Forget the speed of a middleweight, handspeed like that it faster than a lot of light weights. Also no that his arms were almost 3 ft. long punching from his sides so he had further to go. As far as footwork he was lighting on his feet.
JcLeopard 10 months ago
Jimmy Young's left jab was three times as fast as Ali's.
Jimmy Young's right hand was thrree times as fast as Ali's.
It's right there on the film of the fight.
Poor @JcLeopard .
marcxopoco 10 months ago
@marcxopoco Yeah when Ali was old, past his prime and not even close to as fast or as sharp as he was in the 60s. As I said it is a proven fact that Ali in his PRIME through punches that were 4 and 5 hundreths of a second and its a proven fact that he was faster than most middle weights.
JcLeopard 10 months ago
@JcLeopard , frantic member of The Religion of Ali, just put his foot in it.
Ali fought Doug Jones two fights beforre Ali had his fakes with Liston.
Doug Jones' left jab was twice as fast as Ali's. And much more accurate.
Doug Jones' right hand was twice as fast as Ali's. And much more accurate.
It's right there on the tape of their fight that media created fraud Ali "won' another of his phony decisions in.
marcxopoco 10 months ago
@marcxopoco Now your delusional. What I'm telling you is that the speed of the punches were measured. Muhammad Ali IS the FASTEST HEAVYWEIGHT OF ALL TIME in both hand and foot speed. Fact.
JcLeopard 10 months ago
@JcLeopard Is that a scientific fact or one of those observational colloquial facts?
Silly Billy tried to mix it and paid the price.
Freddie1980 7 months ago
@Freddie1980 That is a Scientific Fact and it was proven. Muhammad Ali had the fastest heavyweight jab ever recorded and it was faster than most middleweights.
JcLeopard 7 months ago
Joe was in his prime back and the best fighter in that era by a mile back then you gotta give Billy some credit for cripes sake like it or not Billy was a 160 pound fighter when he started.. and almost won .. Joe even told Billy you had it won ..
MrGizmospal 2 years ago
i would never wanna get in the ring with louis he looks dull but is unpredictable
portilop 2 years ago
damn how they make color?
TheSugarfrank 2 years ago
im sittin next to billy conn's nephew. frank smith check out videos by frankbaseball27 none on his uncle but its cool
BuccoManiac11 2 years ago
You can't say ali could of boxed his ears off cuz there different fighters different styles. Ali could very well win the fight hittin and movin but like Joe Louis once said, "You can run but you can't hide" and sooner or later i believe Louis would of caught Ali and it would have been good night
beenz08 2 years ago
great asssss fight. i watched the whole thing on dvd.omg how the fuck did louis not get knocked out. that man has an iron chin.....mad props to one of the greatest heavywieghts of all time
builtprodigy89 2 years ago
This shows to me what Ali would have done to Louis...boxed his ears off.
swr112261 3 years ago
Ali dident have the superior skills that Conn had,but Ali did have size.I mean 167lbs vs 204lbs.
70Mack 2 years ago
i agree Louis was on rub legs vs a 170lb guy,,,,who had 1/2 Ali size, speed and strength....Ali would have been to much for Joe......Ali was also never Ko'ed.....LASTLY I believe Marciano would have beat Louis even in his prime.
renduke 2 years ago
uh, henry cooper had ali out on his feet. he was saved by the bell. he was dropped by doug jones who weighed 190 and wasnt known for his power. louis beat the pants off max baer who was by all counts a monstrous puncher who killed 2 men in the ring.
bhop990 2 years ago
*sonny banks not doug jones knocked ali down in the first round. btw sonny had a record of 10-2 at the time.
bhop990 2 years ago
@bhop990 and ali has faced hard sluggers such as foreman,shavers, ron lyle ,frazier, liston,bonevena etc .
fashizze 2 years ago
Conn is the most formidable for Joe Louis during Louis's peak time. He was faster in footwork and his hand speed but as only light heavyweight, Conn lacked of endurance and weak chin. That is the main reason why Louis could stop faster Conn at the end.
urs3339 3 years ago
conns biggest mistake was looking for the knockout-thats it
devsaidfuckoff 3 years ago 4
Is this real color footage or just colorized? There are so few early fights filmed in color.
muskratrowdy 3 years ago
I'm not sure to be honest, I just recorded it from ESPN.
rawdigga 3 years ago 2
This is real color footage of drunken Bert Sugar.
marcxopoco 10 months ago
I REMEMBER reading about billy a few years ago stopping a robbery in progress in pa. A BLACK MALE walked in and started to rob the cashier ,billy fought him but the black threw him to the ground and threw a food stand on him.WHAT A BLACK COWARD TO DO THIS TO A SENIOR CITIZEN.SHAMEFUL.
scorzeny45 3 years ago
I gotta hand it to Billy, that guy showed no fear in fighting Joe. Thats the only way to box a man like Joe; punches in bunches. But Joe proves once again that a true champion never bends to another man's will.
onehitta1 3 years ago
I heard that there was to be a rematch soon after but Billy got in afight with his father in law and broke his hand on his head.
PUGCAT 4 years ago
Most guys who move up in weight class don't take their punch with them. Note; If Conn were a natural Heavyweight the fight would have been over a long time ago with Conn being the winner...
Poetryisalive 4 years ago 2
Not really, doubtful Conn would have the same speed and movement.Louis would have knocked him out
jzw1953 3 years ago
Conn must have regretted this til the day he died. He was leading on the cards and all he had to do was box...but the glory of knocking out Joe Louis was too much to resist.
Aurelian147 4 years ago
Billy Conn was the most handsome man that ever lived
dolphin249 4 years ago 2
Thanks rawdigga. Cool!
rcthil 4 years ago 2
Irish Billy. Simpley the very best!!!
tunney26 4 years ago 2
LOL.. Billy almost had him,he got a little too cocky in the 13th round an paid for it, joe an billy met up years after fight an billy asked joe why couldnt he of let him hold the belt till the rematch, joe replied " Billy i lent it to you for 13 rounds an you did'nt know what to do with it".. get this book.. the 12 greatest rounds of boxing by Ferdie Pacheco, he worked as a medic for loads of great heavy weights. Its a good read.
deadlovers 4 years ago 6
Thanks for the comment.
Yeah! I've seen those fights.... Billy just slipped off and couldn't finish the job. Thanks for the book recomendation will look into it.
rawdigga 4 years ago
Sounds apocryphal to me. Fighters are seldom good standup comics (though some are good lie-down comics.)
Peterh588 3 years ago
I'm not talking about the robbery story but the alleged line "I gave the championship to you for 12 rounds and you couldn't hold it."
Peterh588 3 years ago
@deadlovers
Great quote. Thanks for sharing that one. It's a shame that we have to troll youtube in search of good boxing fights and knowledge these days instead of being able to just tune into network television.
bonguskongus 1 year ago
Thanks to everyone for the views....
rawdigga 4 years ago