You insist TOO much about your passion for the arts --- surely passion comes with a sense of accommodating and indeed celebrating difference, attempting to explore an artists' intention, discovering something wonderful, meaningful in every art work --- if you are CLOSED to new forms of art, fresh ideas you are missing endless interest and stimulation. I am so happy that I don't have your 'particular' view of the art world. What a relief.
The 'questioning' you propose is not the insult - the empty rhetoric, without the experience I find inappropriate. I did make the time to go --- and LOVED. Did I like everything NO, but some work touched me deeply and ALL the events were at the least intriguing. It was fantastic to see ROH open!
How revealing! You didn't attend the Deloitte Ignite event --- you can't say with authority it was 'essentially a PR exercise" - you are discussing something you didn't take the time to experience and instead spend hours discussing the PR. Question the initiative fine -- but then don't be so lazy and actually follow through, GO to it --take a view THEN, perhaps it will shift your heavy pre-conceptions a little bit. Art does that you know, takes you out of your comfort zone.
Openness and curiosity are the basis of appreciation and understanding. Try and read the words less cynically and maybe you will receive them in a less blocked manner..................OR actually go to the events and you may even be moved. Put your negative energy into something positive.
Perhaps you should look at the venom you express in your hate campaign of Mr McGregor,perhaps you should practice your own advice and say whatever you think but with more thought.
Yes McGregor should expect criticism if its justified, but surely as a dance fan you want to support access and advocacy on the behalf of dance and arts in general? Surely you want everyone to touch the art form you care about? Did you actually go to Deloitte Ignite? Its wonderful to see this happening at ROH.
Zerozeroz1, I did not intend any personal insult to WM as you suggest. Please do not try and insist we deal at such an immature level. Nor was I being the least bit scathing, compared to any standard art/ dance reviewer. I do not believe there is anything wrong with openly analyzing/ questioning the PR surrounding this event, especially as it is essentially a PR exercise in itself.
No I was sadly not able to attend, which is why I was not discussing the artists' work as if I had.
It is BECAUSE I support the arts so strongly that I feel entitled to question initiatives like this. Questioning/ challenging is not automatic condemnation or insult - yet it might tend to appear more so these days now that so much of art is without meaning, infantile, 'nice', flattering, safe.
I bet I am more passionate about what goes on in the ROH than half the people in the PH Hall sipping wine and saying what a lovely time they are having. Even if I come across as negative!
To zerozeroz1, no I do not have any friends to play with. I wish I did but my friends are mostly dead. Now I watch dance on my own. Dance is my life and support the RB. I used to dance myself years ago.
I type fast and remember words, music, steps easily so it was not hard for me to transcribe this clip. He is spokesperson/ curator and should expect criticism. I was merely holding his words up to the light. Fascinating. I have never come across someone who talks so much yet says so little.
.. and I'm hoping that that experience for them will also encourage them to come and see some of the phenomenal work that's on the Main Stage, or in the Linbury or in the Clore or in the other spaces that we're working in year round.
Um, and I think what's very important about the audience kind of demographic is, if you like, is that it's really a range- that you really get a very, very broad range. I'm hoping that people who see one of the pieces outside in the piazza will be brave enough just to come in and see some of the work inside.
Hi my name is Wayne McGregor. I'm the first curator of Deloitte Ignite 08 and I'm very exited to be doing this first iteration of this program in that I've worked a lot collaboratively with lots of very, very different types of artists over my career but this is fantastic opportunity to select artists to create new work for the very, very different spaces of the Royal Opera House and/ or to respond to some of the content that's expressed in the '08/ '09 ballet and opera season.
I think I've been really lucky in that I've worked with a lot of very different types of artists over my career and they're all absolutely, incredibly, amazing and so I think I had a bank of artists who's work I really had kind of a feeling for, or I was really drawn to, but I think what I really wanted to do for Deloitte Ignite is really discipline myself to find a range of work which attacks the themes, if you like, in a really divergent way ....
... and because the central theme was this idea of the senses and how we kind of corollate senses to understand or construct meaning from things, I wanted to find artists who where working with, or within a range of, focusing on different types of senses so, um, the artists - the selection of the artists was quite, er, was quite demanding because I wanted to make sure it wasn't just artists that I liked but it was artists who would somehow comment upon, or reflect upon the other artists ...
... so there is a sense in which there is something cohesive about the programme - it's very divergent but there is the sense in which one can, um, see many of the connections inside the work. And the other great thing is it's such a pleasure to be able to commission artists to make work, you know, rather than curating than creating a programme of work that already exists, you know to have the opportunity to actually commission new work is really fantastic.
I think it's always quite scary to do the first of anything and I think you know the thing about this Deloitte Ignite is it's the first time that this programme has ever been done. It's fantastic that there's going to be several other versions of it but the first one there's no scaffolding, there are no boundaries and although that's in some ways very freeing it's also, um, quite nerve-wracking to see how it is that you're going to be able to build a new framework for a programme like this.
So the challenges are really extreme, you know, it goes from being absolutely thrilled to be doing the first time, um, that this programme is happening and at the same time very nervous just trying to get it right.
I'm really looking forward to seeing all of the pieces because I think you know, I've had conversations with all the artists at the very, very beginning of the process about what they would like to make, and they've all changed their mind, or it's certainly developed ...
- the work has developed over a period of time - so I think it's going to be a real thrill to see what that combination of, um, work is going to look like over those three days.
And I'm really hoping that the audience really have a kind of a very intimate relationship with the work when they come, that actually it's going to really engage them, both in terms of participating in some of the work, both in terms of how it is they might respond to certain senses.....
8 ..how it is that they might, um, be able to 'play' with the art-making and the artists' work that's on.
I'm really hoping that the audiences for Deloitte Ignite will be really diverse. I'm hoping it's going to be people that come to the opera house regularly and are curious about what are these other projects that we're doing in other spaces. I'm hoping that it's going to attract a younger audience that actually wouldn't necessarily associate those artists with working at the opera house..
You insist TOO much about your passion for the arts --- surely passion comes with a sense of accommodating and indeed celebrating difference, attempting to explore an artists' intention, discovering something wonderful, meaningful in every art work --- if you are CLOSED to new forms of art, fresh ideas you are missing endless interest and stimulation. I am so happy that I don't have your 'particular' view of the art world. What a relief.
zerozeroz1 3 years ago
The 'questioning' you propose is not the insult - the empty rhetoric, without the experience I find inappropriate. I did make the time to go --- and LOVED. Did I like everything NO, but some work touched me deeply and ALL the events were at the least intriguing. It was fantastic to see ROH open!
zerozeroz1 3 years ago
How revealing! You didn't attend the Deloitte Ignite event --- you can't say with authority it was 'essentially a PR exercise" - you are discussing something you didn't take the time to experience and instead spend hours discussing the PR. Question the initiative fine -- but then don't be so lazy and actually follow through, GO to it --take a view THEN, perhaps it will shift your heavy pre-conceptions a little bit. Art does that you know, takes you out of your comfort zone.
zerozeroz1 3 years ago
Openness and curiosity are the basis of appreciation and understanding. Try and read the words less cynically and maybe you will receive them in a less blocked manner..................OR actually go to the events and you may even be moved. Put your negative energy into something positive.
Thank-you
zerozeroz1 3 years ago
Perhaps you should look at the venom you express in your hate campaign of Mr McGregor,perhaps you should practice your own advice and say whatever you think but with more thought.
Yes McGregor should expect criticism if its justified, but surely as a dance fan you want to support access and advocacy on the behalf of dance and arts in general? Surely you want everyone to touch the art form you care about? Did you actually go to Deloitte Ignite? Its wonderful to see this happening at ROH.
zerozeroz1 3 years ago
Zerozeroz1, I did not intend any personal insult to WM as you suggest. Please do not try and insist we deal at such an immature level. Nor was I being the least bit scathing, compared to any standard art/ dance reviewer. I do not believe there is anything wrong with openly analyzing/ questioning the PR surrounding this event, especially as it is essentially a PR exercise in itself.
No I was sadly not able to attend, which is why I was not discussing the artists' work as if I had.
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pddwatch81 3 years ago
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It is BECAUSE I support the arts so strongly that I feel entitled to question initiatives like this. Questioning/ challenging is not automatic condemnation or insult - yet it might tend to appear more so these days now that so much of art is without meaning, infantile, 'nice', flattering, safe.
I bet I am more passionate about what goes on in the ROH than half the people in the PH Hall sipping wine and saying what a lovely time they are having. Even if I come across as negative!
pddwatch81 3 years ago
Sad pddwatch81, don't you have any friends to play with?
zerozeroz1 3 years ago
To zerozeroz1, no I do not have any friends to play with. I wish I did but my friends are mostly dead. Now I watch dance on my own. Dance is my life and support the RB. I used to dance myself years ago.
I type fast and remember words, music, steps easily so it was not hard for me to transcribe this clip. He is spokesperson/ curator and should expect criticism. I was merely holding his words up to the light. Fascinating. I have never come across someone who talks so much yet says so little.
pddwatch81 3 years ago
And by the way, I do really not appreciate your mean comment.
Say whatever you feel by all means, but please say it with more thought and less venom.
Thank you.
pddwatch81 3 years ago
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.. and I'm hoping that that experience for them will also encourage them to come and see some of the phenomenal work that's on the Main Stage, or in the Linbury or in the Clore or in the other spaces that we're working in year round.
pddwatch81 3 years ago
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Um, and I think what's very important about the audience kind of demographic is, if you like, is that it's really a range- that you really get a very, very broad range. I'm hoping that people who see one of the pieces outside in the piazza will be brave enough just to come in and see some of the work inside.
pddwatch81 3 years ago
From all that I managed to extract the following info (I think!):
1) He is selecting artists he knows
2) Pieces will be somehow tied in with 08/09 season
3) Main theme is 'Senses' (no change there then)
3.1) no doubt another theme will be 'new technology'
4) New works
5) Some audience interaction (I'm imagining something like those interactive exhibits for children in science museums)
6 Open to all, but younger audience already familiar with the artists' involved is mentioned specifically.
pddwatch81 3 years ago
He managed to get the sponsotrs name in several times, but failed to mention much about the type of work this inititive will involve!
amosopera 3 years ago
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Hi my name is Wayne McGregor. I'm the first curator of Deloitte Ignite 08 and I'm very exited to be doing this first iteration of this program in that I've worked a lot collaboratively with lots of very, very different types of artists over my career but this is fantastic opportunity to select artists to create new work for the very, very different spaces of the Royal Opera House and/ or to respond to some of the content that's expressed in the '08/ '09 ballet and opera season.
pddwatch81 3 years ago
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I think I've been really lucky in that I've worked with a lot of very different types of artists over my career and they're all absolutely, incredibly, amazing and so I think I had a bank of artists who's work I really had kind of a feeling for, or I was really drawn to, but I think what I really wanted to do for Deloitte Ignite is really discipline myself to find a range of work which attacks the themes, if you like, in a really divergent way ....
pddwatch81 3 years ago
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... and because the central theme was this idea of the senses and how we kind of corollate senses to understand or construct meaning from things, I wanted to find artists who where working with, or within a range of, focusing on different types of senses so, um, the artists - the selection of the artists was quite, er, was quite demanding because I wanted to make sure it wasn't just artists that I liked but it was artists who would somehow comment upon, or reflect upon the other artists ...
pddwatch81 3 years ago
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... so there is a sense in which there is something cohesive about the programme - it's very divergent but there is the sense in which one can, um, see many of the connections inside the work. And the other great thing is it's such a pleasure to be able to commission artists to make work, you know, rather than curating than creating a programme of work that already exists, you know to have the opportunity to actually commission new work is really fantastic.
pddwatch81 3 years ago
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I think it's always quite scary to do the first of anything and I think you know the thing about this Deloitte Ignite is it's the first time that this programme has ever been done. It's fantastic that there's going to be several other versions of it but the first one there's no scaffolding, there are no boundaries and although that's in some ways very freeing it's also, um, quite nerve-wracking to see how it is that you're going to be able to build a new framework for a programme like this.
pddwatch81 3 years ago
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So the challenges are really extreme, you know, it goes from being absolutely thrilled to be doing the first time, um, that this programme is happening and at the same time very nervous just trying to get it right.
I'm really looking forward to seeing all of the pieces because I think you know, I've had conversations with all the artists at the very, very beginning of the process about what they would like to make, and they've all changed their mind, or it's certainly developed ...
pddwatch81 3 years ago
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- the work has developed over a period of time - so I think it's going to be a real thrill to see what that combination of, um, work is going to look like over those three days.
And I'm really hoping that the audience really have a kind of a very intimate relationship with the work when they come, that actually it's going to really engage them, both in terms of participating in some of the work, both in terms of how it is they might respond to certain senses.....
pddwatch81 3 years ago
8 ..how it is that they might, um, be able to 'play' with the art-making and the artists' work that's on.
I'm really hoping that the audiences for Deloitte Ignite will be really diverse. I'm hoping it's going to be people that come to the opera house regularly and are curious about what are these other projects that we're doing in other spaces. I'm hoping that it's going to attract a younger audience that actually wouldn't necessarily associate those artists with working at the opera house..
pddwatch81 3 years ago