if jet fuel could melt a multimillion dollar engeenired anti-terrorit alloyed steel beam , than i can guarantee you that the number one consumer of jet fuel would be foundery's
hell, do you know how much these foundery's take electricity when there melting there stuff? and founderys are only melting cheap alloyed metal.
@gukonni if jet fuel could melt a multimillion dollar engeenired anti-terrorit alloyed steel beam , than i can guarantee you that the number one consumer of jet fuel would be foundery's
hell, do you know how much these foundery's take electricity when there melting there stuff? and founderys are only melting cheap alloyed metal.
you conspiracy idiots!!! saying the government was behind 9-11 is like somebody falsly accusing you or your father of being a child molester. listen: get this thru your thick heads. the towers had floors which were held by steel jousts connected to the outer skin of the building. as the jet fuel burned, the temperature warped the floor jousts, until they weakened and could not support the weight load of the floors! the boom sounds were floors pancaking, not demolition/ you idiots!!!
I don't appreciate the abusive nature of your comments. I also disagree with the content of your statements. The POSSIBILITY of thermite is there. I don't believe the official account, but don't like conspiracies a whole lot more. I think it's ignorant to be so reactionary to the possibility of conspiracy. It looks like a controlled demo, plain and simple. That should make you skeptical, not vehemently opposed and abusive. Many scientists more qualified than you believe thermite is possible
Imagine taking the plane that hit the tower and cutting into small pieces and then melting it in a crucible in a blast furnace; then pour the entire molten mass on to the pile of rubble from the collapsed tower. how long do you think it would take for that molten mass to cool to a point where it didn't glow? The ground, debris and the steel beams could pull a lot of heat out of that aluminum very quickly and could solidify it almost immediately.
The steel in that building may have been weakened by the heat - maybe - but it could not have become molten without blast furnace or Thermate heat potential; the large amounts of molten steel that were being dug out 6 weeks later indicates that there was much more Molten steel at the time of the collapse because much of the molten steel had plenty of time to cool and solidify.
For those of you who have never brazed, welded or cut steel with a cutting torch or worked a blast furnace; it would be hard to understand how molten steel acts; but if you were to dump a train-car load full of molten steel on the ground it would not glow for more than a few hours; just think of how much Thermate for cutting beams and how much other explosives used in the demo would have had to been used to created the heat required to keep steel molten for 6 weeks in the debris of the towers.
When scientific, empirical, peer-reviewed data is brought forth supporting the theory that the towers collapsed due to demolitions and not two planes running into them...(which none exists...anywhere...on any site...from ANY physicist, chemist, engineer)
...then we can start discussing "inside jobs". Until that day...
"which none exists...anywhere...on any site...from ANY physicist, chemist, engineer, ...then we can start discussing "inside jobs" with that said it is apparent that you do care what an intelligent person with credentials thinks and this one has pluny of it so maybe you should start discussing an "inside job"
And the penny drops. You've bought into everything he says because you read "MIT" and know nothing for yourself.
YOU need to go research it objectively. Look past the sexiness of conspiracy theories and attempt to put together a plausible theory that actually makes a little sense other than crazed religious fundamentalists crashed some large planes into three buildings because they hate us.
what? your statement was basically saying that no one with any type of intelligence is supporting the theory, so i gave you one now you are saying that i cant think for myself? wow how did you get there, if anything you are the one that cant think for themself if you believe the official report, you keep changing the agrument
A peer-reviewed scientific document is not the same as an intelligent person with a hunch and some chalkboard theory.
Yes, that's where it starts...but of the countless intelligent people with hunches, it's never gotten past that.
And the reason why is when you REALLY start to attempt to put together a countertheory to the generally accepted one with real evidence that is reproducable, it falls apart.
Well first off it isnt a chalkboard theory and even if it was it would make more sense than the official report, second these ppl do not have hunches many if not most of the things NIST, popular machanics, & the report say have been ripped apart by David Ray Griffen and others and when you put it together it doesnt fall apart, when you put together and think about the official theory that one falls apart
This is the last time I'm responding to you. These conspiracy theories will never go beyond youtube and fanfics due to lack of evidence, but there will always be people like you who think it's sexy and exciting to believe it's a coverup.
And no, those reports haven't been "ripped apart". Certain parts are questionable because of the lack of detail in the report or findings. Certain parts are questioned.
Look you can all suck my balls maybe it was just because you had the biggest buildings in the world yeeeeee haaaaaa my god by golly our buildings dont fall like the rest,yey sure thats because,........... Answers please.
what ever was "molten" had to be heated by something,,,it doesn't kindle at those temps.,,,and of all the demolitions that have been performed has molten debris from kinetic energy ever come up??????duhbunkers are the BIGGEST collection of assholes ever assembled
I still have yet to see proof of molten steel - just eyewitness accounts of "molten steel". I, for one, am curious as to how these eyewitnesses knew that what they were seeing actually molten steel, and not, say, molten glass, molten aluminum, etc.
Molten aluminum can be a variety of colors, not just silvery. That's even more the case for aluminum alloys. Yep, there was metal glowing red, but there was no "dripping" steel.
So keflar, you actually believe all physicists can see the tower collapses violated Newtonian physics, but are remaining silent because they're "cowardly" and "deluded?"
So basically you're saying that if YOU were a physicist, YOU'D be silent, cowardly, and deluded too, right? No? Then why do you think everyone else would be?
So basically keflar, you actually think all physicists can see the tower collapses violated Newtonian physics, but are remaining silent because they're "cowardly" and "deluded."
So basically you're saying that if YOU were a physicist, YOU'D be silent, cowardly, and deluded too. NO? Then why do you think everyone else would be?
Exactly. The same with those who rush to the loving embrace of the "experts" whom they believe to be pious and not on the take from the same people who orchestrated this catastrophe.
Basically the basic J.Q.Public "truther" AND the "NIST believer", has one common methodology, and that is... The answer to a question doesn't need to be "correct", it just needs to be "liked".
..unless of course you want the answers to be - correct.
Anyone who can watch this video and listen to a firefighter say "Molten Steel running down the channel like you were in a FOUNDRY!!!" and still debate the issue is a fucking retard! Admit it, you LOST. We have proven controlled demolition by thermite. The video from the South Tower dripping sparkling yellow hot thermite, and the iron rich microspheres in the dust.
Go read Debunking 9/11 Debunking by David Ray Griffin and stop trying to argue this because you look stupid and you got pwned.
The firefighter was in no position to know the composition of the witch's brews in the debris piles. Aerial thermographic scans shows temps weren't hot enough to melt steel. Far from it. Besides, it's impossible for thermite to keep something in molten form after the reaction ends. Steven Jones, the originator of the thermite & microsphere claims, has failed to pass a proper peer review. Only non-experts like Griffin agree with him.
the fact that you have to prefix peer review with "properly" tells me that you know your lying, 1,200 F on the sixteenth of sept, i never said hot enough to melt steel, yet again you twist the language to fit your distorted view on reality, just the facts mate, unless thats to painfull for you
Jones submitted his famous paper to friends and colleagues (who did not have the requisite expertise) at his Jurinal of 911 Studies. In a proper peer review, the paper would have gone to people he does not know who have the requisite expertise & experience in highrise structural engineering, forensic engineering, metallurgy, materials engineering, fire protection engineering, and explosives & incendiaries. That was not done.
And you didn't even know what a proper peer review consisted of. LOL
Where what's published? It's pretty funny that you raised Astaneh when you have no clue what he thinks of your kookspiracy theories.
So all the experts - the highrise structural engineers, metallurgists, forensic engineers, seismologists, fire protection engineers - from gov't agencies, private firms, & universities - are all "paid up members of the bullshit squad," eh? Sure. Because you say so. More baseless crap from you. You're lost.
its called being cowardly deluded and keeping your job, are all the people who heard or saw explosions and countdowns and CIA agents pulled off and orderd against fighting terror threats streaming in are all conspiracy theorists? see the difference is your lot have a reason to lie
So if YOU were in that position, YOU'D be cowardly? YOU'd be deluded? NO? Then why do you think everyone else would? What a clown.
People were being honest who said they head explosions. Lots of things cause explosions in fires. Only one guy claimed he heard a countdown -- and it was supposedly on a Red Cross radio. The Red Cross were in on it? Sure they were. Do you have anything besides the standard kookspiracy scripture?
you can hear MASSIVE explosions, more than one guy acctually, check your facts. The police chief is on the TV that day quoted as saying "we believe there were acctually devices planted in the building" you can even hear a guy in the background say "we found another device" Red cross ??!! heard from guys in hard hats waiting outside building 7
"Massive" explosions that cause no apparent structural weakening? Sure bet, clown.
"The police chief is on the TV that day"
I thought you said the TV is all "controlled." LOL, you're such a confused clown.
Bombs were also reported at the NY Stock Exchange, U.S. Capitol, & UN Bldg. Like the ones at the WTC, none of the rpts panned out. No bombs were found. Yes, the alleged "countdown" was heard on a Red Cross radio. Sure, very believable. Clown.
no damage huh reporter-"we were told to move because if there was another blast this building might not hold" you can go check all this stuff, you know that and yet..........., so genius i guess it was a fireball down 70 floors that destroyed the lobby with no visible signs of fire damage then??? LOL your a fucking joke why don't you waken up and grow some balls
Is that it, someone smelled of kerosine?? REALLY? THATS IT?? REALLY? PMSL i take my hat off and bow at your unfeisably large clown feet, you trully are king of the clowns, do the maths mate do the maths
LOL let me get this straight, the plane explodes and the fuel that doesn't explode out the windows somehow has enough energy to smash through the elevator doors, fly down 70 floors going through an elevator then smash through another elevator door and destroy the lobby blowing out thick windows, with witnesses saying that the elevators blew up and its up to me to explain your claim, fuck off
Acting incredulous doesn't make you right. Looks like you're STILL unable to say what would cause the kerosene smell at the locations of the blown out elevators. Clown.
EVERYONE EH??? thats a pretty bold claim isn't it, by "everyone" you mean those people deemed knowlegable enough to appear on TV or on the laughable Pop Mech, tell me why these so called experts havent come close to even trying to explain the collapse of building 7, these the same experts who say "the plane was closer to a state of liquid as it entered the building" when trying to explain the pentagon crash in Pop Mech. Please dont vote :)
So once again, clown, you actually think all the physicists who know that Newton's laws were violated are just remaining silent & are "cowardly" or "deluded?" You're basically saying that if YOU were a physicist, YOU'D be silent, cowardly, and deluded too, right? No? Then why do you think everyone else would be?
and you believe that its not strange that most of the black boxes were damaged or missing eh? oh the pentagon box has no voice recorder and shanksville no flight data, waken up
It's not impossible for black boxes to be destroyed. So what would be the reason for hiding them? Why not just fake the black box data? Then you could claim the feds were lying about the data. See, for clowns like you, no matter what happens, you see it as evidence of a conspiracy. LOL
It's not like we have to rely on black boxes to know what happened.
I was waiting for it and there it is, the standard "why would they" line that all of you drones have as your only real arguement, your inability to accept that people could do such a thing, its the arguement of a pussy and not worth commenting on, why dont you site that other dodgy US air crash for proof it happends uh? we dont HAVE to hu, its like saying look stop moaning so wht if it sounds fucking rediculous
"Why would they" what? What are you talking about? You've descended into standard kookspiracy incoherence and use the typical tactic of: When all you've got is bullshit, fling it as hard as you can. Pretty funny. Hey, let me reach over and squeeze your cute little clown nose. Honk honk!
Well if you want to attack people's credibility we can play that game. Philip Zelikow (9/11 Commission Report) has a PhD from Columbia University and wrote his thesis paper on "Creation of Public Myth". The Government's Official Story of events doesn't have ZER0 credibility! It has [NEGATIVE] -100% credibility!
Not molten steel, Molten IRON! Thermite creates molten iron as a biproduct! We did see a yellow sparkly fireworks display watch "WTC THERMITE!"
If the subject of someone's thesis paper is another smoking gun for you.....then you'll undoubtedly find enough clippings to create a collage depicting any-picture or any-story anyone can imagine.
We see ONE instance of yellow sparks. Go to your local fire station, and ask the firemen if they've ever seen yellow dripping sparks in a fire.
I showed the "WTC Thermite" video to multiple people in real life. I've never met anyone who disagreed or wasn't convinced.
Only Internet shills like yourself disgree with facts and evidence, deny them without explanation or proof.
I've showed the WTC core column 45 degree angle cut picture to iron workers, they all say that it wasn't cut with a torch. You debunkers are PROVEN liars! It's time to join the TRUTH movement and start educating yourself.
There's a video not on youtube (I'm searching for it), that is of an interview with a G-zero Ironworker who was very angry at the health situation at the cleanup site. He was shown the 45 deg cut....and said it looked like normal clean-up demo, but was a "sloppy job".
They should of smashed into them, watc the footage then line it up with hole and you'll find its simply impossible, you believe a hollow aluminium plane can rip through a steel wall at 400 MPH or whatever impossible speed it was concidering air pressure, have you ever seen a plane hit by a fucking BIRD?? the idea that the tail fin can enter (without taking out the steel beams) straight in at the same speed as the plane is laughable, as ids your severe mental block.
According to who? You? Another baseless assertion from you. A "steel wall?" What a joke you are. You clowns always pretend the towers were impenetrable fortresses. Who said anything about the tail fin entering "at the same speed?" You're just making it up as you go along.
watch theclip , then look at the hole, according to me and pictures and film, so apparently i'm making up newtons third law of motion now lol your a clown of the lowest order
LOL, what a kook. Trying to claim you're on the side of Newton. So all the physicists in the word who REALLY know Newtonian physics and who know the events of 9/11 violated the laws of physics are all remaining silent. Sure bet. that's perfectly reasonable.
Silent eh? you think that the TV isn't a weapon for the powerfull you tool? I guess the bailout bill and the reasons for it are not circumspect at all and all accountants and economics masters are for it seeing as we never hear any different from the official line, you live in a world where freedom of the press exists do you, thats perfectly reasonable lol
you should look at the Pics of the black boxes at Shanksville and ask yourself why they are from different makes, then if you like you can look at when they were changed, then look at the rules for diffeing makes, but hey why do that when you can sit and call people clowns and talk crap. Millions of dollars in put options on the involved airlines in the days before 911(1200% increase over normal trading) has went uninvestigated? I guess Bin Laden ordered the investigation halted? grow up
Ah yes, you're just going right down the standard kookpsiracy scripture list. Why do you believe your piece-of-shit Joe Blow "sources?" Because you're so paranoid that you'll happily be spoonfed any cokamamie garbage they vomit onto their web sites, that's why. Put options traced to investment newsletter that recommended a put on one of the airline stocks ...and a buy on the other one - Oops! Wake up, clown.
Your now so far out of reality i'm acctually worried about your mental health, traced to a newsletter???!!! what the fuck are you talking about, the reason for the share movements? The fucking reason is a newslettr so they dont trace it, you make me want to puke, is that really your best explanation, you really wil believe any old shit thats thrown at you wont you
Looks like you're lost in lala land, blindly believing nothing but Joe Blow's unaccountable piece-of-shit web sites that spoonfeed you bilge. So you've never heard of investment newsletters, eh? I'm not surprised. It has nothing to with tracing anything, you clown. It has to do with WHO stimulated the puts and buys. Looks like you've got nothing besides baseless assertions.
DOH yet again you've assumed more than the info given, i knew exactly what you were talking about, what you don't seem to realise is that explanations of why should in no why be good enough for an investigative team now ....SHOULD IT??? maybe in your little planet it is, i prefer proper invstigation rather than vauge assumptions which dont even come close to covering the story, even you have to admitt that it deserved more attention whatever ones views on the events of that day
I've read much of the 911 Commission report, as well as the FEMA & NIST reports and academic papers. I've even read the articles purporting to be factual at the Jurinal of 911 Studies & the ae911 site. The reason the 911 kookspiracy "movement" is dying is because none of many conspiracy theories, and there must be hundreds of them, add up. They're all based on unsubstantiated assertions, misinterpretations, uninformed speculation, & outright falsehoods.
Ever wonder why its not you drones that are listing facts?? i mean it stands to reason there must be TONS of info backing up the official story doesn't it? i could list facts all fucking day and you can't even think of 4?? Question everything, you think the TV isn't the biggest weapon for the powerfull people of the world? please give even a small list of facts supporting the official story above the unofficial one, oh wait ......never mind just keep going BAAAA BAAAAAAAA
ever ask yourself why its always drones trying to discredit basic facts from thruthers, ever wonder why its not you comming out with hard facts that prove the official story mmmmmmm? maybe coz all you could say is "erm thay found a passport outside the twin towers or maybe that bin laden tape looks just like him or the pres got a warning from Alkaida on a secure radio channel after it happend" you have fuck all but an inability to accept that you've been made a fool of, sorry, more of a fool
They didn't only find a passport. They found lots of things from the plane - passenger drivers licenses, credit cards, personal photos, etc. But go ahead and engage in disinformation by mentioning ONLY the passport as if it was the only thing found. All you have is disinformation and misrepresentation. But then, you're a no planer, the biggest kook among kooks. You should just walk around in a clown suit with big floppy clown shoes. It would be appropriate because you're nothing but a joke.
lol your great you really are, maybe you should of mentioned the giant plane parts found on the WTC5 roof to back up your story too, you believe a passport get fly through all that shit and get picked up by an official who just so happened to be there , with zero fire damage and i should where clown shoes?? PMSL you should do three shows a day
"you believe a passport get fly through all that shit and get picked up by an official who just so happened to be there"
Wow, you're obviously blind. Once again, for the retarded, the passport was not the only thing from the plane found. So were passenger drivers licenses, credit cards, personal photos, etc. To suggest only a passport was found is to engage in disiformation. Dumb no-planer clown.
did i say at any point it was the only thing found? NO, where the fuck you get off with yet another provably bullshit claim, oh i forgot you need that kind of delusion to convince yourself of the official story
"did i say at any point it was the only thing found? NO"
By not mentioning any of the other items found, you tried to make it seem like only the passport was found. Leaving out pertinent information is a form of disinformation, which is all that you've got. But I think you just regurgitated the passport thing from some kookspiracy website that didn't mention the other found items. That's what happens when you rely on Joe Blow's kooky web site for all your "information."
Honorary firefighter Mike Bellone claims he was approached by unknown bureau agents a short time after he and his partner, Nicholas DeMasi, a retired New York firefighter, found three of the four black boxes among the WTC rubble before January 2002 They confronted me and told me to not to say anything, recalled Bellone, referring to one of three reddish-orange boxes with two white stripes he saw in the back of DeMasis ATV. I said, Give me a good reason. they couldn't" your a joke
No planer eh, so now your going to tell me i think nothing hit those buildings is that right, yet again you have made provably false statements on me. Yuo can't even hold a convo without lying through your teeth for fuck sake and its not even something you can argue though i'm sure you'll try just like you do by believing any pathetic debunking sites written by your fellow drones
I'm not going to tell you what you think. I'm simply going to tell you that you are unable to think. And you're a no-planer. LOL, even the other 911 kooks think you're a kook. So if you don't believe planes hit the buildings, why would you believe there were black boxes to hide? LIL, you're still hopelessly confused, tripping over your own contradictions and disinformation.
DOH WOOD U LIKE MI " EXPLAIN IT AGAIN FOR U, JUSTBECAUSE THE FOOTAGE IS PROVABLY FASLE DOESN@T MEAN I DONT THINK PLANES HIT BA BUILDING jeez how tiresome having to repeat everything ten times
Oh, so you finally agree the planes hit the buildings. Well why didn't you say so? So if they hit, what's your point with the footage? Is this yet another in a string of your unsubstantiated "because I say so" claims?
i didn't "finally" agree on anything, you just wern't fucking listening as i have had to explain about 5 times jees, my point with the footage is that you shouldn't have shots of planes comming in at differing angles or appearing to late on screen or disappearing wings or live shots with no fucking plane or plane noses comming out the other side....i could go on and on but your better having a look for yourself even its just so you can argue your case better against people who believe what i do
I've watched the footage & you're hallucinating and/or misinterpreting the vids. But at least you agree planes hit the towers, so the crap you claim about different angles, etc. is irrelevant.
Ah, another kookspiracy tard brainwashed by Joe Blow's unaccountable piece-of-shit conspiracy web site. In case you can't tell, your "movement" is fading. Hits on conspiracy sites have plummeted over the last 1-2 years, attendance at kookspiracy rallies and meetings has plummeted, the number of YouTube videos with arguments on them have plummeted. You 911 kooks are doomed to your rightful place as sociological oddities alongside the moon landing deniers and Bigfoot believers.
Yep, many people, including me, believe the government under Bush tried to hide its incompetence and lack of preparedness. Another investigation would hopefully uncover more of that. But that's very different from believing the government planted explosives in the towers. Hardly anyone believes that.
DOH unsubstantiated claims, what a joke, so tell me this mate how did the BBC know building 7 was going to fall and how come the penthouse collapses into the biulding if the stel frame collapsed on the lower floors, if you can watch that building fall and think it was because of a small fire then your a moron its that simple
BBC, like other news outlets, knew well in advance of WTC 7's anticipated collapse and they got their signals crossed. Simple. No wait! The conspirators told the media about the demolition! Yeah, that just makes a lot of sense.
Supports for Penthouse gave way first. Why is that suspicious?
Antiipated collapse? Huge fire? No structural annomaly to the penthouse collapsing first? utterly rediculous, your not worth my time, how long did it take you to come up with all that, you don't even sound like you mean it
Wow. You're really lost in woo woo land. The collapse was widely anticipated. I remember watching TV and the news stations were all talking about the expected collapse. Wait! They were all part of the conspiracy, right?
What's so suspicious about the supports under the Penthouse giving way first? Usually you clowns claim everything fell at the same time. LOL You can't even agree on anything.
Small fire? So you have x-ray vision & can see the interior of the building? LOL!
WOW tell us o brilliant one, how does a plane go through a steel wall like its not there and yet vaporise on contact with a concrete bIts sooo obvious that your a coware who doesn't have the guts to question why ther are a mountain of annomalies, when if the official story was correct-there sholdn't be ANY
you morons have severe mental problems when it comes to objectively looking at simple facts and physical laws, BAAAAAA BAAAAAAA
So what do you think should have happened to the plane, Mr. Aerodynamic Engineer? It should have bounced off the building? LOL
"ther are a mountain of annomalies"
Actually, what there is a mountain of from the "truthers" is unsubstantiated assertions, misinterpretations, misrepresentations, and outright falsehoods. They are happily brainwashed by Loose Change and Joe Blow's unaccountable, piece-of-shit kookspiracy web sites that spoonfeed them conspiracy propaganda.
you have lived your whole little life emersed in propoganda and i've destroyed all your crappy arguements, its just rhetoric and assumptions that you haven't properly thought about, brainwashed lol what a small person you are come back when you know enough to even try to talk to me, ooh maybe you should check your hidden history too sice the New york times addmitted that the FBI told the bombing in the 90's to go ahead, jesus man just think about it for a minute with an open mind
you ever wonder why its you attacking what i put out and not the other way about?? Cause you drones have fuck all evidence for the official story to argue, just oppinions and rhetoric, hot air indeed. you've been made a fool of and your tiny rreality can't deal with it, no engines no seats no blood no bodies no black boxes no photos, but an impossible flight angle, a vid of a missile nd a 16 foot hole is enough for you eh??? PMSL your a joke
"no engines no seats no blood no bodies no black boxes no photos,"
What the fuck are you talking about? Fragments of all of those were found except the black boxes. Who says no body parts were found? That's simply nonsense. You must be a no planer. LOL. So it turns out YOU'RE the joke.
A 16-foot hole? I think you're very confused. That's the kookspiracy scripture for the Pentagon, not the WTC. You can't even get your nutjob script right.
lol FRAGMENTS??? FUCKING FRAGMENTS your talking about giant titanium engines dissapearing into thin air and you call me a joke lol so lets get this straight they found seats but they didn't find black boxes?? maybe they should have built them out of nylon, your the one with a script and it reads like a lesson in self delusion mate
"they found seats but they didn't find black boxes?"
Fragments of seats.
LOL, you think after those impacts and tower collapses that they'd find everything intact? LOL, myabe you think everything should have been wrapped in a nice bow too. What a clown.
yeah those left wing hippie firemen are up to their lies yet again, i think they just made it up for some TV time. The fires burned for over 3 months according to the Police Commisioner? rubbish, these liberal Commies obviously faked all the footage of smoke and these first responders are just making it all up about rivers of molten metal and pouring in enough water to make a giant lake, thats easily explainable when you consider that there was some paper in the building, such dellusion eh?
Yes, metal. Not steel. Not hot enough for steel. Aluminum's melting point is 1/2 that of steel. So it was most likely aluminum alloys and other metals. The firefighters were not in a position to determine the composition of that witch's brew.
Dr. Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl is a professor of civil and environmental engineering at the University of California, Berkeley. He specializes in studying structural damage done by earthquakes and terrorist bombings. he was there. He later recalls, I saw melting of girders in [the] World Trade Center i have tons more engineer quotes for you so dont try that pathetic line with me, yet again your wrong, let me know when you wake up will you
Amazing the comment that leftysergant made on this page, when right before your eyes in a real vid of real people who were actualy there? He opens his second rectum and spews more shit, 911 an inside job, so inside it would be impossible to recreate it and impossible to have it happen without the help FROM DICK CHENY.
Amazing how many so called engineers endorsed the BS fairy tale put out by the government which defies the laws of physics.. shows you exactly why America is one of the shittiest countries in the world when it comes to math and science
The towers were 1350 and 1360 feet tall. So let's start by using our trusty free-fall equation to see how long it should take an object to free-fall from the towers' former height.
1.On page 305 of the 9/11 Commission Report, we are told, in the government's "complete and final report" of 9/11, that the South Tower collapsed in 10 seconds. Here is the exact quote: "At 9:58:59, the South Tower collapsed in ten seconds"
If the Boogeymen pop off a big one, are STILL going to back and support Israel ? What about separation of sinagog and state? Gosh I thought the Bible (John 8:44) and previous President's quotes spelled it out!
I talked to someone downtown back in late 2001, about a man who was working at ground zero and saw the pools of molten steel. Its not a theory. btw, the way those towers went down is horrifying in its perfection. Where were the bombs? How did they get there?
Where is your molten steel you talked about? He says red hot but that doesn't indicate "molten" like you claimed. Nor does he even say that its hot enough. He says its 1500 degrees, which is not the temperature of molten steel. There may have been molten steel down there, but this video is not evidence of any.
Also, I have some pretty solid information that indicates Poetryhound likes to spend his free time volunteering with The Boys Club and some other activities that involve spending time with young boys. But I'm not implying anything.
Poetryhound is a paid government SPOOK that literally sits on a computer all day and posts comments on all YOUTUBE 9/11 videos. The same can be said for edman113. What normal person could devote this much time to posting on these videos. Don't waste your time replying to these sad deuchebags.
Poor deluded Joey Craine, the local clown. He imagines clouds moving incorrectly, shadows not lining up, and that all the videos of 9/11 are fake. Yep, and the planes were fake and the hijackers were fake and the passengers were fake and the smoke was fake. Know what his "evidence" is? The cartoon characters he sees in the WTC smoke. I am not making this up. He needs to find a good psychopharmacologist. The hallucinations must be overpowering.
Richard Gage is a licensed architect with 20 years experience.
Look up his credentials, and explain to me how all of the concrete in the twin towers turned to DUST due to a fire? How did all of the support columns in WTC7 fail AT THE SAME EXACT TIME? And how on EARTH did it collapse at free fall speed? That condition exists ONLY with controlled demolition, and you know it.
Molten metal SEEN by firemen in the basement. Described like a "foundry" and "lava."
name calling - great approach and proof that your argument is weak. Ever see a building that collapsed in an earthquake? stacks of debris, giant chunks - and no dust. That much dust is only created in ONE SITUATION - controlled demolition. No insults - just facts.
No dust? Are you serious? Any building collapse contining concrete and drywall is going to have dust, and lots of it. Watch this video:
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Let me know if you see any dust. The narrator even says, "the building comes down in a massive pile of PULVERIZED CONCRETE and steel." And that was only a 9 story building! So, do you want to rethink that "no dust" claim, or do you think that building was a CD by the government as well??
Haha, ... I smell fear in your comment. The Infowarriors are winning and the NWO is on the run! Long live Alex Jones, and be sure to watch 911 Mysteries right here at YouTube.
HAHAHAHA! THAT LOOKS NOTHING LIKE the pyroclastic FLOW from the twin towers OR world trade 7 - YOU ARE LOSING THIS ONE! You honestly have to be kidding, and now I'm pretty convinced you're being funny because this is what you'd expect to see, a light cloud floating down the street - EVERY PIECE OF THAT BUILDING EXISTS after it's collapse. THANKS FOR THIS - I'll be using this as an example of what the towers SHOULD have done on that day - toppled and remained in huge chunks. THANKS!
I asked you if you saw dust, and you avoided the question. As Kasplar would say, I smell FEAR in your response! True or False: there was dust in the collapse I showed you. Are you afraid to answer the question?
I did not see the pyroclastic flow DUST as witnessed on sept 11 in your suggested viewing vid. So, if that's not clear enough, my answer is NO. What I saw in that cool video was a cloud of lightweight dust that a person could inhale with only minor irritation - not DEATH as experienced on 9/11.
"Ever see a building that collapsed in an earthquake? stacks of debris, giant chunks - and no dust."
"What I saw in that cool video was a cloud of lightweight dust"
LOL!! Making you CTers contradict yourselves is like shooting fish in a barrel! You saw less dust because the building was about 50 times smaller. I win, you lose. Next!
Fun to watch you have difficulty with this topic of pyroclastic flow. Look it up. Two conditions that produce it - volcanoes and controlled demolition. Please address this before declaring your gold medal. Thanks!
No, pyroclastic flow is just caused by volcanoes. You're attributing it to controlled demolition shows that you don't have any idea what it is.
True or false: there was dust from pulverized concrete in the building collapse I showed you. Why can't you answer this question, because it contradicts what you said earlier? YEP! LOL!!
FALSE - NO PULVERIZED CONCRETE as seen on September 11th. I have architects and engineers with years of experience backing me up on this.
Your little cloud of gypsum in that earthquake video is NOT what we saw on 9-11 and you know it! I wanted to thank you for that link. I've used it on other sites to show the difference between the two events. You've helped me convert a few people!
Narrator: "the building comes down in a massive pile of PULVERIZED CONCRETE and steel."
DumBones: "NO PULVERIZED CONCRETE"
LOL! Next, DumBones denies the sky is blue and the sun rises in the east! Thanks for denying that man, there's no better illustration of you CTers having you heads in the sand than that.
I think the narrator wasn't watching that building tilt over like a refrigerator, but rather the towers and building 7 on 9/11.
Insults are very unbecoming while trying to present an opposing argument. Shows that you have something to hide, and it makes your views appear to be weak, which I suppose they are.
Very angry person? You need to work on that if you are going to convince more people to believe government-paid "experts." It'll be much more convincing. Just some advice.
"The collapse of WTC 7 had a small debris field as the facade was pulled downward, suggesting an internal failure and implosion... Demolishing the building so that it collapses straight down into its own footprint requires such skill that only a handful of demolition companies in the world will attempt it."
Pretty sure no one said anything about steel here.
grandmastershek 1 month ago
For more about John Gross, molten steel, and the recent proof that WTC engineer Leslie Robertson said he saw molten steel, see my video:
The 9/11 "Deep Mystery" and the Crazy Engineers.
watch?v=DF4C6qtU_Fc
In 2006 Robertson denied that anyone had seen molten steel. In 2002 he said he'd seen it himself.
punxsutawneybarney 8 months ago
False advertising. This video doesn't show puddles of steel.
bagintree 11 months ago
if jet fuel could melt a multimillion dollar engeenired anti-terrorit alloyed steel beam , than i can guarantee you that the number one consumer of jet fuel would be foundery's
hell, do you know how much these foundery's take electricity when there melting there stuff? and founderys are only melting cheap alloyed metal.
real1abcda 1 year ago
Steel? What you smoking? That's melted aluminum. Far more likely.
I'd suggest you or whoever believes this to come back to reality. Better place.
gukonni 1 year ago
@gukonni if jet fuel could melt a multimillion dollar engeenired anti-terrorit alloyed steel beam , than i can guarantee you that the number one consumer of jet fuel would be foundery's
hell, do you know how much these foundery's take electricity when there melting there stuff? and founderys are only melting cheap alloyed metal.
real1abcda 1 year ago
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CriticalDissection 1 year ago
Why do people say "the steel melted"? Steel doesn't melt at that temperature it heats up and bends but it doesn't melt.
JamieT96 1 year ago
@JamieT96 Steel can melt dumbass..
Ghostanti1 1 year ago
@Ghostanti1 Your the dumb ass. I said at the temperature that the steel was recorded at.
JamieT96 1 year ago
wheres the molten steel?
ryn88220 1 year ago
I don't understand what this video has to do with "puddles of steel found 6 wks" after 9/11? This video shows nothing like that
jeffmay1 1 year ago
caribbeanchild you are a moron and an a-hole
thevealchop68 2 years ago
building 7. free fall collapse. nothing SUS!
MrLeeman11 2 years ago
you conspiracy idiots!!! saying the government was behind 9-11 is like somebody falsly accusing you or your father of being a child molester. listen: get this thru your thick heads. the towers had floors which were held by steel jousts connected to the outer skin of the building. as the jet fuel burned, the temperature warped the floor jousts, until they weakened and could not support the weight load of the floors! the boom sounds were floors pancaking, not demolition/ you idiots!!!
thevealchop68 2 years ago
The jet fuel burned out in the fireballs at the start....and mostly outside of the building. You must be blind not to see that.
caribbeanchild 2 years ago 2
I don't appreciate the abusive nature of your comments. I also disagree with the content of your statements. The POSSIBILITY of thermite is there. I don't believe the official account, but don't like conspiracies a whole lot more. I think it's ignorant to be so reactionary to the possibility of conspiracy. It looks like a controlled demo, plain and simple. That should make you skeptical, not vehemently opposed and abusive. Many scientists more qualified than you believe thermite is possible
shakagenghis 2 years ago
@thevealchop68 AHAHA...The pancake theory was disproven, like years ago....Are you just really dumb or out of touch.
IonicStormFront 10 months ago
Am pretty sure there used to be a video showing molten steel. At least I've seen one a couple weeks after 9\11 on TV, I'm pretty sure.
That and the cut beams, which incidentally, they shipped off to China (why?).
alleyghost 2 years ago
Imagine taking the plane that hit the tower and cutting into small pieces and then melting it in a crucible in a blast furnace; then pour the entire molten mass on to the pile of rubble from the collapsed tower. how long do you think it would take for that molten mass to cool to a point where it didn't glow? The ground, debris and the steel beams could pull a lot of heat out of that aluminum very quickly and could solidify it almost immediately.
zeezrom 2 years ago
The steel in that building may have been weakened by the heat - maybe - but it could not have become molten without blast furnace or Thermate heat potential; the large amounts of molten steel that were being dug out 6 weeks later indicates that there was much more Molten steel at the time of the collapse because much of the molten steel had plenty of time to cool and solidify.
zeezrom 2 years ago
For those of you who have never brazed, welded or cut steel with a cutting torch or worked a blast furnace; it would be hard to understand how molten steel acts; but if you were to dump a train-car load full of molten steel on the ground it would not glow for more than a few hours; just think of how much Thermate for cutting beams and how much other explosives used in the demo would have had to been used to created the heat required to keep steel molten for 6 weeks in the debris of the towers.
zeezrom 2 years ago
@zeezrom
Dimitri Khalezov.......do your research
IonicStormFront 10 months ago
Google: Mossad arrests 9/11.
Youtube: Neils Harrit - RE: WTC Dust samples.
seekYEthetruth 2 years ago
how dose wtc looks now please answear
purel3b 2 years ago
watch?v=djnjKuUQIXk
DesmoRob 2 years ago
When scientific, empirical, peer-reviewed data is brought forth supporting the theory that the towers collapsed due to demolitions and not two planes running into them...(which none exists...anywhere...on any site...from ANY physicist, chemist, engineer)
...then we can start discussing "inside jobs". Until that day...
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fatsomamacheese 2 years ago
actually there have been alot, some from MIT
j10mo 2 years ago
wrong. The only peer-reviewed scientific documents to come forth have merely asked for more specific answers, more detailed answers.
They have not offered any hypothesis of their own, nor suggested in any way what "could" have happened.
And that's because there is a HUGE amount of evidence to nullify those claims.
fatsomamacheese 2 years ago
ok look up Edgar from MIT, he semes to think different
j10mo 2 years ago
Without peer-reviewed, scientific evidence and a respectable theory, Edgar can suck my @#%$ for all I care.
I am not concerned with an intelligent person's "hunch"
fatsomamacheese 2 years ago
"which none exists...anywhere...on any site...from ANY physicist, chemist, engineer, ...then we can start discussing "inside jobs" with that said it is apparent that you do care what an intelligent person with credentials thinks and this one has pluny of it so maybe you should start discussing an "inside job"
j10mo 2 years ago
And the penny drops. You've bought into everything he says because you read "MIT" and know nothing for yourself.
YOU need to go research it objectively. Look past the sexiness of conspiracy theories and attempt to put together a plausible theory that actually makes a little sense other than crazed religious fundamentalists crashed some large planes into three buildings because they hate us.
fatsomamacheese 2 years ago
what? your statement was basically saying that no one with any type of intelligence is supporting the theory, so i gave you one now you are saying that i cant think for myself? wow how did you get there, if anything you are the one that cant think for themself if you believe the official report, you keep changing the agrument
j10mo 2 years ago
A peer-reviewed scientific document is not the same as an intelligent person with a hunch and some chalkboard theory.
Yes, that's where it starts...but of the countless intelligent people with hunches, it's never gotten past that.
And the reason why is when you REALLY start to attempt to put together a countertheory to the generally accepted one with real evidence that is reproducable, it falls apart.
fatsomamacheese 2 years ago
Well first off it isnt a chalkboard theory and even if it was it would make more sense than the official report, second these ppl do not have hunches many if not most of the things NIST, popular machanics, & the report say have been ripped apart by David Ray Griffen and others and when you put it together it doesnt fall apart, when you put together and think about the official theory that one falls apart
j10mo 2 years ago
This is the last time I'm responding to you. These conspiracy theories will never go beyond youtube and fanfics due to lack of evidence, but there will always be people like you who think it's sexy and exciting to believe it's a coverup.
And no, those reports haven't been "ripped apart". Certain parts are questionable because of the lack of detail in the report or findings. Certain parts are questioned.
So go whack off to conspiracy if you want to...
fatsomamacheese 2 years ago
This just goes to show that you cant disprove facts and that you have a very closed mind on things
j10mo 2 years ago
had a little too much cheese there bud.....ahahha
time will tell.
caribbeanchild 2 years ago
everyone knows 911 was an inside job
SOOO HOT ITS 1500 DEGREES
melting firefighters boots
Gwenlj 2 years ago
Look you can all suck my balls maybe it was just because you had the biggest buildings in the world yeeeeee haaaaaa my god by golly our buildings dont fall like the rest,yey sure thats because,........... Answers please.
bigpotplant 2 years ago
what ever was "molten" had to be heated by something,,,it doesn't kindle at those temps.,,,and of all the demolitions that have been performed has molten debris from kinetic energy ever come up??????duhbunkers are the BIGGEST collection of assholes ever assembled
fillyferz 3 years ago
I still have yet to see proof of molten steel - just eyewitness accounts of "molten steel". I, for one, am curious as to how these eyewitnesses knew that what they were seeing actually molten steel, and not, say, molten glass, molten aluminum, etc.
waddsworth 3 years ago
well molten aluminum would be silver not cherry red, and there alot of pictures of the I-beams glowing and dripping at the ends
j10mo 2 years ago
Molten aluminum can be a variety of colors, not just silvery. That's even more the case for aluminum alloys. Yep, there was metal glowing red, but there was no "dripping" steel.
PoetryHound 2 years ago
An entire building collapsing into a confined area; potential energy converts into kinetic energy and then into heat when it reaches the bottom.
mcsew2k 3 years ago
So keflar, you actually believe all physicists can see the tower collapses violated Newtonian physics, but are remaining silent because they're "cowardly" and "deluded?"
So basically you're saying that if YOU were a physicist, YOU'D be silent, cowardly, and deluded too, right? No? Then why do you think everyone else would be?
PoetryHound 3 years ago
So basically keflar, you actually think all physicists can see the tower collapses violated Newtonian physics, but are remaining silent because they're "cowardly" and "deluded."
So basically you're saying that if YOU were a physicist, YOU'D be silent, cowardly, and deluded too. NO? Then why do you think everyone else would be?
PoetryHound 3 years ago
Exactly. The same with those who rush to the loving embrace of the "experts" whom they believe to be pious and not on the take from the same people who orchestrated this catastrophe.
tightlypackedcoil 3 years ago
No shower of sparks = No molten iron
= No thermite = No proof.
Basically the basic J.Q.Public "truther" AND the "NIST believer", has one common methodology, and that is... The answer to a question doesn't need to be "correct", it just needs to be "liked".
..unless of course you want the answers to be - correct.
FreqBand 3 years ago
What a rip off. This video is supposedly about puddles of steel, but it doesn't even show any.
Well, there's any easy explanation for that. There weren't any.
PoetryHound 3 years ago
Anyone who can watch this video and listen to a firefighter say "Molten Steel running down the channel like you were in a FOUNDRY!!!" and still debate the issue is a fucking retard! Admit it, you LOST. We have proven controlled demolition by thermite. The video from the South Tower dripping sparkling yellow hot thermite, and the iron rich microspheres in the dust.
Go read Debunking 9/11 Debunking by David Ray Griffin and stop trying to argue this because you look stupid and you got pwned.
DavidAtleePhilips 3 years ago
Pound your fist on the table when you say that!
The firefighter was in no position to know the composition of the witch's brews in the debris piles. Aerial thermographic scans shows temps weren't hot enough to melt steel. Far from it. Besides, it's impossible for thermite to keep something in molten form after the reaction ends. Steven Jones, the originator of the thermite & microsphere claims, has failed to pass a proper peer review. Only non-experts like Griffin agree with him.
PoetryHound 3 years ago
Steven Jones HAS published a peer review paper you lying prick
FACT
thermo NASA pics Show amazingly high temps temps after collapse at all three building sites
FACT
Your provably full of shite
FACT
keflar5 3 years ago
Steven Jones has never published a properly peer reviewed paper about his thermite / thermate claims.
The aerial thermographic scan do indeed show high temps, but not high enough to melt steel. Not even close.
PoetryHound 3 years ago
the fact that you have to prefix peer review with "properly" tells me that you know your lying, 1,200 F on the sixteenth of sept, i never said hot enough to melt steel, yet again you twist the language to fit your distorted view on reality, just the facts mate, unless thats to painfull for you
keflar5 3 years ago
Jones submitted his famous paper to friends and colleagues (who did not have the requisite expertise) at his Jurinal of 911 Studies. In a proper peer review, the paper would have gone to people he does not know who have the requisite expertise & experience in highrise structural engineering, forensic engineering, metallurgy, materials engineering, fire protection engineering, and explosives & incendiaries. That was not done.
And you didn't even know what a proper peer review consisted of. LOL
PoetryHound 3 years ago
you dont even know where its published lol what joke, by "experts" you mean paid up members of the bullshit squad, what a fucking joke
keflar5 3 years ago
Where what's published? It's pretty funny that you raised Astaneh when you have no clue what he thinks of your kookspiracy theories.
So all the experts - the highrise structural engineers, metallurgists, forensic engineers, seismologists, fire protection engineers - from gov't agencies, private firms, & universities - are all "paid up members of the bullshit squad," eh? Sure. Because you say so. More baseless crap from you. You're lost.
PoetryHound 3 years ago
its called being cowardly deluded and keeping your job, are all the people who heard or saw explosions and countdowns and CIA agents pulled off and orderd against fighting terror threats streaming in are all conspiracy theorists? see the difference is your lot have a reason to lie
keflar5 3 years ago
So if YOU were in that position, YOU'D be cowardly? YOU'd be deluded? NO? Then why do you think everyone else would? What a clown.
People were being honest who said they head explosions. Lots of things cause explosions in fires. Only one guy claimed he heard a countdown -- and it was supposedly on a Red Cross radio. The Red Cross were in on it? Sure they were. Do you have anything besides the standard kookspiracy scripture?
PoetryHound 3 years ago
you can hear MASSIVE explosions, more than one guy acctually, check your facts. The police chief is on the TV that day quoted as saying "we believe there were acctually devices planted in the building" you can even hear a guy in the background say "we found another device" Red cross ??!! heard from guys in hard hats waiting outside building 7
keflar5 3 years ago
"you can hear MASSIVE explosions"
"Massive" explosions that cause no apparent structural weakening? Sure bet, clown.
"The police chief is on the TV that day"
I thought you said the TV is all "controlled." LOL, you're such a confused clown.
Bombs were also reported at the NY Stock Exchange, U.S. Capitol, & UN Bldg. Like the ones at the WTC, none of the rpts panned out. No bombs were found. Yes, the alleged "countdown" was heard on a Red Cross radio. Sure, very believable. Clown.
PoetryHound 3 years ago
no damage huh reporter-"we were told to move because if there was another blast this building might not hold" you can go check all this stuff, you know that and yet..........., so genius i guess it was a fireball down 70 floors that destroyed the lobby with no visible signs of fire damage then??? LOL your a fucking joke why don't you waken up and grow some balls
keflar5 3 years ago
"i guess it was a fireball down 70 floors that destroyed the lobby with no visible signs of fire damage then?"
Witnesses at the blown-out elevators said they smelled like kerosene. What do you suppose would cause that smell, clown?
PoetryHound 3 years ago
Is that it, someone smelled of kerosine?? REALLY? THATS IT?? REALLY? PMSL i take my hat off and bow at your unfeisably large clown feet, you trully are king of the clowns, do the maths mate do the maths
keflar5 3 years ago
Translation: You can't explain why the blown out elevators had the smell of kerosene. Clown.
PoetryHound 3 years ago
LOL let me get this straight, the plane explodes and the fuel that doesn't explode out the windows somehow has enough energy to smash through the elevator doors, fly down 70 floors going through an elevator then smash through another elevator door and destroy the lobby blowing out thick windows, with witnesses saying that the elevators blew up and its up to me to explain your claim, fuck off
keflar5 3 years ago
Acting incredulous doesn't make you right. Looks like you're STILL unable to say what would cause the kerosene smell at the locations of the blown out elevators. Clown.
PoetryHound 3 years ago
EVERYONE EH??? thats a pretty bold claim isn't it, by "everyone" you mean those people deemed knowlegable enough to appear on TV or on the laughable Pop Mech, tell me why these so called experts havent come close to even trying to explain the collapse of building 7, these the same experts who say "the plane was closer to a state of liquid as it entered the building" when trying to explain the pentagon crash in Pop Mech. Please dont vote :)
keflar5 3 years ago
So once again, clown, you actually think all the physicists who know that Newton's laws were violated are just remaining silent & are "cowardly" or "deluded?" You're basically saying that if YOU were a physicist, YOU'D be silent, cowardly, and deluded too, right? No? Then why do you think everyone else would be?
PoetryHound 3 years ago
FLIGHT DATA RECORDER SPECS FOR DUMMIES
Time recorded: 25 hour continuous
Number of parameters: 5 - 300+
Impact tolerance: 3400Gs /6.5ms
Fire resistance: 1100 degC/30 min
Water pressure resistance: submerged 20,000 ft
Underwater locator beacon: 37.5 KHz
Battery: 6yr shelf life 30 day operation
and you believe that its not strange that most of the black boxes were damaged or missing eh? oh the pentagon box has no voice recorder and shanksville no flight data, waken up
keflar5 3 years ago
It's not impossible for black boxes to be destroyed. So what would be the reason for hiding them? Why not just fake the black box data? Then you could claim the feds were lying about the data. See, for clowns like you, no matter what happens, you see it as evidence of a conspiracy. LOL
It's not like we have to rely on black boxes to know what happened.
PoetryHound 3 years ago
I was waiting for it and there it is, the standard "why would they" line that all of you drones have as your only real arguement, your inability to accept that people could do such a thing, its the arguement of a pussy and not worth commenting on, why dont you site that other dodgy US air crash for proof it happends uh? we dont HAVE to hu, its like saying look stop moaning so wht if it sounds fucking rediculous
keflar5 3 years ago
"Why would they" what? What are you talking about? You've descended into standard kookspiracy incoherence and use the typical tactic of: When all you've got is bullshit, fling it as hard as you can. Pretty funny. Hey, let me reach over and squeeze your cute little clown nose. Honk honk!
PoetryHound 3 years ago
Wow that was approaching wit, with some teaching you could be capable of simple tasks such as getting to hold the bucket full of confetti
keflar5 3 years ago
Irrelevant blather from the retarded clown. Honk honk!
PoetryHound 3 years ago
Wow....all I can say is WoW.
Tell us O'Brilliant One, how would thermite create (pools of) steel in a melted state days or weeks after the collapse ?
Why didn't we see a yellow sparkly fireworks display as the buildings came down ?
Why are there so few (if any real) structural engineers who claim thermite was used ?
If it's sooo obvious to laymen like yourself, shouldn't it be even more obvious to the scientific community ?
You just got owned, moaned, and lawn darted.
FreqBand 3 years ago
Well if you want to attack people's credibility we can play that game. Philip Zelikow (9/11 Commission Report) has a PhD from Columbia University and wrote his thesis paper on "Creation of Public Myth". The Government's Official Story of events doesn't have ZER0 credibility! It has [NEGATIVE] -100% credibility!
Not molten steel, Molten IRON! Thermite creates molten iron as a biproduct! We did see a yellow sparkly fireworks display watch "WTC THERMITE!"
DavidAtleePhilips 3 years ago
If the subject of someone's thesis paper is another smoking gun for you.....then you'll undoubtedly find enough clippings to create a collage depicting any-picture or any-story anyone can imagine.
We see ONE instance of yellow sparks. Go to your local fire station, and ask the firemen if they've ever seen yellow dripping sparks in a fire.
FreqBand 3 years ago
I showed the "WTC Thermite" video to multiple people in real life. I've never met anyone who disagreed or wasn't convinced.
Only Internet shills like yourself disgree with facts and evidence, deny them without explanation or proof.
I've showed the WTC core column 45 degree angle cut picture to iron workers, they all say that it wasn't cut with a torch. You debunkers are PROVEN liars! It's time to join the TRUTH movement and start educating yourself.
DavidAtleePhilips 3 years ago
There's a video not on youtube (I'm searching for it), that is of an interview with a G-zero Ironworker who was very angry at the health situation at the cleanup site. He was shown the 45 deg cut....and said it looked like normal clean-up demo, but was a "sloppy job".
FreqBand 3 years ago
i will never get over the collective delusion of people aslong as i live, its astonishing, never stop fighting mate
keflar5 3 years ago
Oops! You forgot say what you think should have happened to the planes when they impacted the towers. Should they have bounced off or what?
Glad you agree the temps weren't hot enough to melt steel.
PoetryHound 3 years ago
They should of smashed into them, watc the footage then line it up with hole and you'll find its simply impossible, you believe a hollow aluminium plane can rip through a steel wall at 400 MPH or whatever impossible speed it was concidering air pressure, have you ever seen a plane hit by a fucking BIRD?? the idea that the tail fin can enter (without taking out the steel beams) straight in at the same speed as the plane is laughable, as ids your severe mental block.
keflar5 3 years ago
"They should of smashed into them"
According to who? You? Another baseless assertion from you. A "steel wall?" What a joke you are. You clowns always pretend the towers were impenetrable fortresses. Who said anything about the tail fin entering "at the same speed?" You're just making it up as you go along.
PoetryHound 3 years ago
watch theclip , then look at the hole, according to me and pictures and film, so apparently i'm making up newtons third law of motion now lol your a clown of the lowest order
keflar5 3 years ago
LOL, what a kook. Trying to claim you're on the side of Newton. So all the physicists in the word who REALLY know Newtonian physics and who know the events of 9/11 violated the laws of physics are all remaining silent. Sure bet. that's perfectly reasonable.
PoetryHound 3 years ago
Silent eh? you think that the TV isn't a weapon for the powerfull you tool? I guess the bailout bill and the reasons for it are not circumspect at all and all accountants and economics masters are for it seeing as we never hear any different from the official line, you live in a world where freedom of the press exists do you, thats perfectly reasonable lol
keflar5 3 years ago
Yes, to believe thousands of physicists are all remaining silent is stupid.
The rest of your comment was blather.
PoetryHound 3 years ago
you should look at the Pics of the black boxes at Shanksville and ask yourself why they are from different makes, then if you like you can look at when they were changed, then look at the rules for diffeing makes, but hey why do that when you can sit and call people clowns and talk crap. Millions of dollars in put options on the involved airlines in the days before 911(1200% increase over normal trading) has went uninvestigated? I guess Bin Laden ordered the investigation halted? grow up
keflar5 3 years ago
Ah yes, you're just going right down the standard kookpsiracy scripture list. Why do you believe your piece-of-shit Joe Blow "sources?" Because you're so paranoid that you'll happily be spoonfed any cokamamie garbage they vomit onto their web sites, that's why. Put options traced to investment newsletter that recommended a put on one of the airline stocks ...and a buy on the other one - Oops! Wake up, clown.
PoetryHound 3 years ago
Your now so far out of reality i'm acctually worried about your mental health, traced to a newsletter???!!! what the fuck are you talking about, the reason for the share movements? The fucking reason is a newslettr so they dont trace it, you make me want to puke, is that really your best explanation, you really wil believe any old shit thats thrown at you wont you
keflar5 3 years ago
Looks like you're lost in lala land, blindly believing nothing but Joe Blow's unaccountable piece-of-shit web sites that spoonfeed you bilge. So you've never heard of investment newsletters, eh? I'm not surprised. It has nothing to with tracing anything, you clown. It has to do with WHO stimulated the puts and buys. Looks like you've got nothing besides baseless assertions.
PoetryHound 3 years ago
DOH yet again you've assumed more than the info given, i knew exactly what you were talking about, what you don't seem to realise is that explanations of why should in no why be good enough for an investigative team now ....SHOULD IT??? maybe in your little planet it is, i prefer proper invstigation rather than vauge assumptions which dont even come close to covering the story, even you have to admitt that it deserved more attention whatever ones views on the events of that day
keflar5 3 years ago
More incoherence. Who says the investigations were based on "vague assumptions?" Oh, just you. Because you say so. Typical kookspiracy clown.
PoetryHound 3 years ago
i own and have read the commision report and if you've read it even you would have to agree that it is rediculously short of facts and figures
keflar5 3 years ago
I've read much of the 911 Commission report, as well as the FEMA & NIST reports and academic papers. I've even read the articles purporting to be factual at the Jurinal of 911 Studies & the ae911 site. The reason the 911 kookspiracy "movement" is dying is because none of many conspiracy theories, and there must be hundreds of them, add up. They're all based on unsubstantiated assertions, misinterpretations, uninformed speculation, & outright falsehoods.
PoetryHound 3 years ago
Ever wonder why its not you drones that are listing facts?? i mean it stands to reason there must be TONS of info backing up the official story doesn't it? i could list facts all fucking day and you can't even think of 4?? Question everything, you think the TV isn't the biggest weapon for the powerfull people of the world? please give even a small list of facts supporting the official story above the unofficial one, oh wait ......never mind just keep going BAAAA BAAAAAAAA
keflar5 3 years ago
More hot air. Don't you have anything to back up your kookspiracy assertions? You've got nothing but the standard baseless assertions and opinions.
"i could list facts all fucking day"
Clearly you don't know the difference between a fact and frothing bullshit.
The high temp you cited wasn't even hot enough to melt steel, so it's irrelevant. You didn't even know that. Clown.
PoetryHound 3 years ago
ever ask yourself why its always drones trying to discredit basic facts from thruthers, ever wonder why its not you comming out with hard facts that prove the official story mmmmmmm? maybe coz all you could say is "erm thay found a passport outside the twin towers or maybe that bin laden tape looks just like him or the pres got a warning from Alkaida on a secure radio channel after it happend" you have fuck all but an inability to accept that you've been made a fool of, sorry, more of a fool
keflar5 3 years ago
They didn't only find a passport. They found lots of things from the plane - passenger drivers licenses, credit cards, personal photos, etc. But go ahead and engage in disinformation by mentioning ONLY the passport as if it was the only thing found. All you have is disinformation and misrepresentation. But then, you're a no planer, the biggest kook among kooks. You should just walk around in a clown suit with big floppy clown shoes. It would be appropriate because you're nothing but a joke.
PoetryHound 3 years ago
lol your great you really are, maybe you should of mentioned the giant plane parts found on the WTC5 roof to back up your story too, you believe a passport get fly through all that shit and get picked up by an official who just so happened to be there , with zero fire damage and i should where clown shoes?? PMSL you should do three shows a day
keflar5 3 years ago
"you believe a passport get fly through all that shit and get picked up by an official who just so happened to be there"
Wow, you're obviously blind. Once again, for the retarded, the passport was not the only thing from the plane found. So were passenger drivers licenses, credit cards, personal photos, etc. To suggest only a passport was found is to engage in disiformation. Dumb no-planer clown.
PoetryHound 3 years ago
did i say at any point it was the only thing found? NO, where the fuck you get off with yet another provably bullshit claim, oh i forgot you need that kind of delusion to convince yourself of the official story
keflar5 3 years ago
"did i say at any point it was the only thing found? NO"
By not mentioning any of the other items found, you tried to make it seem like only the passport was found. Leaving out pertinent information is a form of disinformation, which is all that you've got. But I think you just regurgitated the passport thing from some kookspiracy website that didn't mention the other found items. That's what happens when you rely on Joe Blow's kooky web site for all your "information."
PoetryHound 3 years ago
Honorary firefighter Mike Bellone claims he was approached by unknown bureau agents a short time after he and his partner, Nicholas DeMasi, a retired New York firefighter, found three of the four black boxes among the WTC rubble before January 2002 They confronted me and told me to not to say anything, recalled Bellone, referring to one of three reddish-orange boxes with two white stripes he saw in the back of DeMasis ATV. I said, Give me a good reason. they couldn't" your a joke
keflar5 3 years ago
God, the Bellone thing was debunked long ago. It even make it to wikiipedia, among other places. Go here and search "Bellone:"
en. wikipedia. org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories
So if you're a no planer, then whey would you think black boxes were found? LOL, what confused clown you are.
PoetryHound 3 years ago
No planer eh, so now your going to tell me i think nothing hit those buildings is that right, yet again you have made provably false statements on me. Yuo can't even hold a convo without lying through your teeth for fuck sake and its not even something you can argue though i'm sure you'll try just like you do by believing any pathetic debunking sites written by your fellow drones
keflar5 3 years ago
I'm not going to tell you what you think. I'm simply going to tell you that you are unable to think. And you're a no-planer. LOL, even the other 911 kooks think you're a kook. So if you don't believe planes hit the buildings, why would you believe there were black boxes to hide? LIL, you're still hopelessly confused, tripping over your own contradictions and disinformation.
PoetryHound 3 years ago
DOH WOOD U LIKE MI " EXPLAIN IT AGAIN FOR U, JUSTBECAUSE THE FOOTAGE IS PROVABLY FASLE DOESN@T MEAN I DONT THINK PLANES HIT BA BUILDING jeez how tiresome having to repeat everything ten times
keflar5 3 years ago
Oh, so you finally agree the planes hit the buildings. Well why didn't you say so? So if they hit, what's your point with the footage? Is this yet another in a string of your unsubstantiated "because I say so" claims?
PoetryHound 3 years ago
i didn't "finally" agree on anything, you just wern't fucking listening as i have had to explain about 5 times jees, my point with the footage is that you shouldn't have shots of planes comming in at differing angles or appearing to late on screen or disappearing wings or live shots with no fucking plane or plane noses comming out the other side....i could go on and on but your better having a look for yourself even its just so you can argue your case better against people who believe what i do
keflar5 3 years ago
I've watched the footage & you're hallucinating and/or misinterpreting the vids. But at least you agree planes hit the towers, so the crap you claim about different angles, etc. is irrelevant.
PoetryHound 3 years ago
PoetryHound said "you're hallucinating and/or misinterpreting the vids"
PFFFT LOL! Persuasion & Deceit! Trying to tell people "you didn't really see what you know you saw with your own eyes"
You're such a fucking retard PoetryHound! Nobody believes your bullshit lies, we all know it was an inside job.
You're only covering up the fact that you are GAY! You'll never cover up 9/11...
DavidAtleePhilips 3 years ago
Ah, another kookspiracy tard brainwashed by Joe Blow's unaccountable piece-of-shit conspiracy web site. In case you can't tell, your "movement" is fading. Hits on conspiracy sites have plummeted over the last 1-2 years, attendance at kookspiracy rallies and meetings has plummeted, the number of YouTube videos with arguments on them have plummeted. You 911 kooks are doomed to your rightful place as sociological oddities alongside the moon landing deniers and Bigfoot believers.
PoetryHound 3 years ago
actaully a poll done by the New York Times said that 66% want a new investigation of 911
j10mo 2 years ago
Yep, many people, including me, believe the government under Bush tried to hide its incompetence and lack of preparedness. Another investigation would hopefully uncover more of that. But that's very different from believing the government planted explosives in the towers. Hardly anyone believes that.
PoetryHound 2 years ago
wow you really go for the personal attacks dont you
j10mo 2 years ago
DOH unsubstantiated claims, what a joke, so tell me this mate how did the BBC know building 7 was going to fall and how come the penthouse collapses into the biulding if the stel frame collapsed on the lower floors, if you can watch that building fall and think it was because of a small fire then your a moron its that simple
keflar5 3 years ago
BBC, like other news outlets, knew well in advance of WTC 7's anticipated collapse and they got their signals crossed. Simple. No wait! The conspirators told the media about the demolition! Yeah, that just makes a lot of sense.
Supports for Penthouse gave way first. Why is that suspicious?
"a small fire"
Who says it was small? Not the FDNY. Clown.
PoetryHound 3 years ago
Antiipated collapse? Huge fire? No structural annomaly to the penthouse collapsing first? utterly rediculous, your not worth my time, how long did it take you to come up with all that, you don't even sound like you mean it
keflar5 3 years ago
Wow. You're really lost in woo woo land. The collapse was widely anticipated. I remember watching TV and the news stations were all talking about the expected collapse. Wait! They were all part of the conspiracy, right?
What's so suspicious about the supports under the Penthouse giving way first? Usually you clowns claim everything fell at the same time. LOL You can't even agree on anything.
Small fire? So you have x-ray vision & can see the interior of the building? LOL!
PoetryHound 3 years ago
WOW tell us o brilliant one, how does a plane go through a steel wall like its not there and yet vaporise on contact with a concrete bIts sooo obvious that your a coware who doesn't have the guts to question why ther are a mountain of annomalies, when if the official story was correct-there sholdn't be ANY
you morons have severe mental problems when it comes to objectively looking at simple facts and physical laws, BAAAAAA BAAAAAAA
keflar5 3 years ago
So what do you think should have happened to the plane, Mr. Aerodynamic Engineer? It should have bounced off the building? LOL
"ther are a mountain of annomalies"
Actually, what there is a mountain of from the "truthers" is unsubstantiated assertions, misinterpretations, misrepresentations, and outright falsehoods. They are happily brainwashed by Loose Change and Joe Blow's unaccountable, piece-of-shit kookspiracy web sites that spoonfeed them conspiracy propaganda.
PoetryHound 3 years ago
you have lived your whole little life emersed in propoganda and i've destroyed all your crappy arguements, its just rhetoric and assumptions that you haven't properly thought about, brainwashed lol what a small person you are come back when you know enough to even try to talk to me, ooh maybe you should check your hidden history too sice the New york times addmitted that the FBI told the bombing in the 90's to go ahead, jesus man just think about it for a minute with an open mind
keflar5 3 years ago
Irrelevant hot air.
PoetryHound 3 years ago
you ever wonder why its you attacking what i put out and not the other way about?? Cause you drones have fuck all evidence for the official story to argue, just oppinions and rhetoric, hot air indeed. you've been made a fool of and your tiny rreality can't deal with it, no engines no seats no blood no bodies no black boxes no photos, but an impossible flight angle, a vid of a missile nd a 16 foot hole is enough for you eh??? PMSL your a joke
keflar5 3 years ago
"no engines no seats no blood no bodies no black boxes no photos,"
What the fuck are you talking about? Fragments of all of those were found except the black boxes. Who says no body parts were found? That's simply nonsense. You must be a no planer. LOL. So it turns out YOU'RE the joke.
A 16-foot hole? I think you're very confused. That's the kookspiracy scripture for the Pentagon, not the WTC. You can't even get your nutjob script right.
PoetryHound 3 years ago
lol FRAGMENTS??? FUCKING FRAGMENTS your talking about giant titanium engines dissapearing into thin air and you call me a joke lol so lets get this straight they found seats but they didn't find black boxes?? maybe they should have built them out of nylon, your the one with a script and it reads like a lesson in self delusion mate
keflar5 3 years ago
"FRAGMENTS?"
Yep.
"they found seats but they didn't find black boxes?"
Fragments of seats.
LOL, you think after those impacts and tower collapses that they'd find everything intact? LOL, myabe you think everything should have been wrapped in a nice bow too. What a clown.
PoetryHound 3 years ago
yeah those left wing hippie firemen are up to their lies yet again, i think they just made it up for some TV time. The fires burned for over 3 months according to the Police Commisioner? rubbish, these liberal Commies obviously faked all the footage of smoke and these first responders are just making it all up about rivers of molten metal and pouring in enough water to make a giant lake, thats easily explainable when you consider that there was some paper in the building, such dellusion eh?
keflar5 3 years ago
"molten metal"
Yes, metal. Not steel. Not hot enough for steel. Aluminum's melting point is 1/2 that of steel. So it was most likely aluminum alloys and other metals. The firefighters were not in a position to determine the composition of that witch's brew.
PoetryHound 3 years ago
Dr. Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl is a professor of civil and environmental engineering at the University of California, Berkeley. He specializes in studying structural damage done by earthquakes and terrorist bombings. he was there. He later recalls, I saw melting of girders in [the] World Trade Center i have tons more engineer quotes for you so dont try that pathetic line with me, yet again your wrong, let me know when you wake up will you
keflar5 3 years ago
Yes, I've read Dr. Astaneh-Asl's writings and testimony. Guess what he thinks of the 9/11 demolition theories?
PoetryHound 3 years ago
Amazing the comment that leftysergant made on this page, when right before your eyes in a real vid of real people who were actualy there? He opens his second rectum and spews more shit, 911 an inside job, so inside it would be impossible to recreate it and impossible to have it happen without the help FROM DICK CHENY.
cycimian 3 years ago
Amazing how many so called engineers endorsed the BS fairy tale put out by the government which defies the laws of physics.. shows you exactly why America is one of the shittiest countries in the world when it comes to math and science
MuslimGhost 3 years ago
That means the floors "OFFICIALLY" met no resistance from floor to floor...NONE!!!
RadiantEnrG 4 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Fifteen seconds is free fall? 23 seconds is free-fall? I don't think so.
I don't think twoofers are thinking.
leftysergeant 4 years ago
"Free-fall" describes an object that is only under the force of gravity.
On Earth that equates to an acceleration of approx. 9.8m/s^2 (not considering wind resistance/terminal velocity) for ANY object in "free-fall."
You will fall 9.8m/s for the first second, then 19.6m/s for the second, 28.4m/s for the third, etc.
It's 417m to the roof of WTC 1/2, at free-fall speed this calculates to 9.23 seconds to reach 0m.
Falling anywhere near this time means there had to be MINIMUM resistance.
pirskwayrd 3 years ago 3
So our equation tells us that it will take 9.2 seconds to free-fall to the ground from the towers' former height
But that can only occur in a vacuum
Since the WTC was at sea level air resistance will make it take longer than 10 sec
RadiantEnrG 4 years ago
The towers were 1350 and 1360 feet tall. So let's start by using our trusty free-fall equation to see how long it should take an object to free-fall from the towers' former height.
Distance = 1/2 x Gravity x Time(squared)
or
2 x Distance = Gravity x Time(squared)
Time(squared) = (2 x Distance) / Gravity
Time(squared) = 2710 / 32 = 84.7
Time = 9.2
RadiantEnrG 4 years ago
So our equation tells us that it will take 9.2 seconds to free-fall to the ground from the towers' former height
But that can only occur in a vacuum
Since the WTC was at sea level air resistance will make it take longer than 10 sec
RadiantEnrG 4 years ago
Lets do some SELF GUIDED THINKING
1.On page 305 of the 9/11 Commission Report, we are told, in the government's "complete and final report" of 9/11, that the South Tower collapsed in 10 seconds. Here is the exact quote: "At 9:58:59, the South Tower collapsed in ten seconds"
RadiantEnrG 4 years ago
this war is brought to the US by islamic muslims and nobody else.
sealion1962 4 years ago
Um... all Muslims are Islamic.
If you want to blame any religion you call them extremists.
Amiro22 4 years ago
If the Boogeymen pop off a big one, are STILL going to back and support Israel ? What about separation of sinagog and state? Gosh I thought the Bible (John 8:44) and previous President's quotes spelled it out!
SAYYOURROSARY 4 years ago
I talked to someone downtown back in late 2001, about a man who was working at ground zero and saw the pools of molten steel. Its not a theory. btw, the way those towers went down is horrifying in its perfection. Where were the bombs? How did they get there?
SharifHD280pro 4 years ago
Where is your molten steel you talked about? He says red hot but that doesn't indicate "molten" like you claimed. Nor does he even say that its hot enough. He says its 1500 degrees, which is not the temperature of molten steel. There may have been molten steel down there, but this video is not evidence of any.
bryankelly 4 years ago
Also, I have some pretty solid information that indicates Poetryhound likes to spend his free time volunteering with The Boys Club and some other activities that involve spending time with young boys. But I'm not implying anything.
borisb85 4 years ago
Poetryhound is a paid government SPOOK that literally sits on a computer all day and posts comments on all YOUTUBE 9/11 videos. The same can be said for edman113. What normal person could devote this much time to posting on these videos. Don't waste your time replying to these sad deuchebags.
borisb85 4 years ago
Poor deluded Joey Craine, the local clown. He imagines clouds moving incorrectly, shadows not lining up, and that all the videos of 9/11 are fake. Yep, and the planes were fake and the hijackers were fake and the passengers were fake and the smoke was fake. Know what his "evidence" is? The cartoon characters he sees in the WTC smoke. I am not making this up. He needs to find a good psychopharmacologist. The hallucinations must be overpowering.
PoetryHound 4 years ago
Richard Gage is a licensed architect with 20 years experience.
Look up his credentials, and explain to me how all of the concrete in the twin towers turned to DUST due to a fire? How did all of the support columns in WTC7 fail AT THE SAME EXACT TIME? And how on EARTH did it collapse at free fall speed? That condition exists ONLY with controlled demolition, and you know it.
Molten metal SEEN by firemen in the basement. Described like a "foundry" and "lava."
BramBones 4 years ago
"explain to me how all of the concrete in the twin towers turned to DUST due to a fire?"
Did the concrete turn to dust when the buildings were burning? What a moron.
thedman113 4 years ago
name calling - great approach and proof that your argument is weak. Ever see a building that collapsed in an earthquake? stacks of debris, giant chunks - and no dust. That much dust is only created in ONE SITUATION - controlled demolition. No insults - just facts.
BramBones 4 years ago
No dust? Are you serious? Any building collapse contining concrete and drywall is going to have dust, and lots of it. Watch this video:
v=x2h8qZRheks
Let me know if you see any dust. The narrator even says, "the building comes down in a massive pile of PULVERIZED CONCRETE and steel." And that was only a 9 story building! So, do you want to rethink that "no dust" claim, or do you think that building was a CD by the government as well??
thedman113 4 years ago
Haha, ... I smell fear in your comment. The Infowarriors are winning and the NWO is on the run! Long live Alex Jones, and be sure to watch 911 Mysteries right here at YouTube.
KASPLARFO 4 years ago
??? Make some sense.
thedman113 4 years ago
HAHAHAHA! THAT LOOKS NOTHING LIKE the pyroclastic FLOW from the twin towers OR world trade 7 - YOU ARE LOSING THIS ONE! You honestly have to be kidding, and now I'm pretty convinced you're being funny because this is what you'd expect to see, a light cloud floating down the street - EVERY PIECE OF THAT BUILDING EXISTS after it's collapse. THANKS FOR THIS - I'll be using this as an example of what the towers SHOULD have done on that day - toppled and remained in huge chunks. THANKS!
BramBones 4 years ago
I asked you if you saw dust, and you avoided the question. As Kasplar would say, I smell FEAR in your response! True or False: there was dust in the collapse I showed you. Are you afraid to answer the question?
thedman113 4 years ago
And my response would be:
I did not see the pyroclastic flow DUST as witnessed on sept 11 in your suggested viewing vid. So, if that's not clear enough, my answer is NO. What I saw in that cool video was a cloud of lightweight dust that a person could inhale with only minor irritation - not DEATH as experienced on 9/11.
Keep trying though.
BramBones 4 years ago
"Ever see a building that collapsed in an earthquake? stacks of debris, giant chunks - and no dust."
"What I saw in that cool video was a cloud of lightweight dust"
LOL!! Making you CTers contradict yourselves is like shooting fish in a barrel! You saw less dust because the building was about 50 times smaller. I win, you lose. Next!
thedman113 4 years ago
Fun to watch you have difficulty with this topic of pyroclastic flow. Look it up. Two conditions that produce it - volcanoes and controlled demolition. Please address this before declaring your gold medal. Thanks!
BramBones 4 years ago
No, pyroclastic flow is just caused by volcanoes. You're attributing it to controlled demolition shows that you don't have any idea what it is.
True or false: there was dust from pulverized concrete in the building collapse I showed you. Why can't you answer this question, because it contradicts what you said earlier? YEP! LOL!!
thedman113 4 years ago
HAHAAHAHA! So fun to see you squirm!
FALSE - NO PULVERIZED CONCRETE as seen on September 11th. I have architects and engineers with years of experience backing me up on this.
Your little cloud of gypsum in that earthquake video is NOT what we saw on 9-11 and you know it! I wanted to thank you for that link. I've used it on other sites to show the difference between the two events. You've helped me convert a few people!
BramBones 4 years ago
Narrator: "the building comes down in a massive pile of PULVERIZED CONCRETE and steel."
DumBones: "NO PULVERIZED CONCRETE"
LOL! Next, DumBones denies the sky is blue and the sun rises in the east! Thanks for denying that man, there's no better illustration of you CTers having you heads in the sand than that.
thedman113 4 years ago
I think the narrator wasn't watching that building tilt over like a refrigerator, but rather the towers and building 7 on 9/11.
Insults are very unbecoming while trying to present an opposing argument. Shows that you have something to hide, and it makes your views appear to be weak, which I suppose they are.
BramBones 4 years ago
"I think the narrator wasn't watching that building tilt over like a refrigerator, but rather the towers and building 7 on 9/11."
Uh, no I think not. Go ahead, stay in denial, shows the "truth movement" is nothing but a bunch of liars.
thedman113 4 years ago
Very angry person? You need to work on that if you are going to convince more people to believe government-paid "experts." It'll be much more convincing. Just some advice.
See how I do it and learn.
Everyone, check out THIS interesting page:
w w w .ae911truth. org / wtc7 .php
BramBones 4 years ago
The official FEMA report states:
"The collapse of WTC 7 had a small debris field as the facade was pulled downward, suggesting an internal failure and implosion... Demolishing the building so that it collapses straight down into its own footprint requires such skill that only a handful of demolition companies in the world will attempt it."
BramBones 4 years ago
Narrator: "the building comes down in a massive pile of PULVERIZED CONCRETE and steel."
DumBones: "NO PULVERIZED CONCRETE"
thedman113 4 years ago
Oh, you want me to do it like you? Ok:
There was no dust at the WTC on 9/11.
There, I've flatly denied obvious video evidence, just like you do! LOL!
thedman113 4 years ago