if u believe the escaped prisoner you could be seen as gullible but if you dont believe the escaped prisoner you could be seen as close minded. it goes both ways. dont believe everything u see or hear but, sometimes its best just to believe for fear of the unknown
Platos philosphy was so stupid and far away from the truth, that it's hard for me to follow his reasoning. Why in the world would Plato believe in all this shite? I bet any normal worker/peasant at the time would have a better view of the world than plato.
@LCaesars92AAA04 what exactly about platos epistemology and ontology makes sense to you? To me it seems like everything about his philosophy was wrong but hey plato was probably a smart guy
our wall today is this physical material world and light operating in the background is our own mind faculties. subconscious Theta and Delta Level. By focusing inward, not through analytical reasoning but relaxation, one could perceive and feel the light body each of us have. high vibration, so high that what one intends in one's mind, will instantaneously manifest and could also bring about change/inspiration to be used within the physical body in physical existence/perception.
I dont mean to sound possibly irrelavent here but could one realizing the world beyond the cave be compatible with the psychedelic experience. and personally i think mathmatical universe theory complement panthiesm.
whats funny about this "video" is that the images you are seeing are getting in the way. I mean to say that, its better if you read it, or just listen. In that way, you are invited to create the images in your own mind, which is much more powerful. these images we are seeing, absolutely do no justice to platos work. The irony is, plato's work compels one to use their imagination and thus, becomes a personal experience that the reader, or in this case, the listener, takes more from.
@RunescapeREMIXES It's a traditional dialogue from Ancient Athens. It basically tells us that reality is what is and not necessarily what we think or see. A modern interpretation is the Matrix movie (the first one) or Alice in wonderland. Science tells us that what we see is a result of light photons causing an electrical current in our optic nerve which we learn to interperet as vision and therefore what we see has nothing to do with reality but a mere electrical representation of it. Ahhhhh
to the dude who made this video...u would be better off having the image black or no color during the entire clip than all those images you have...once someone sees that video they will most likely always associate those particular images with those words...better u leave it to one's imagination to interpret and try to understand what Plato wrote....thankyou for posting though..
I confess- I don't like going back into that cave for the sake of thankless, lethargic and apathetic prisoners who know no better.
Oh, I've done it, but I loath that duty.
Better yet to train the escapees into a cohesive fighting unit and assault the entire system, tearing down the illusion completely. Afterward, unshackling the prisoners and introducing them to reality at a pace of their choosing.
hmmmm though i know that Socrates never wrote anthing because he thought knowledge is a interactive thing, how do we know that he really said what he said, or is it just a manipulation done by Plato or Aristotle
There's debate about whether or not Socrates ever actually existed. But Plato was real, or if not him, another man of the same name. He wrote a lot, and almost exclusively through the voice of Socrates, but it's very important to read Plato's writings as literature, and not as historical dialogues.
maybe Plato did write things as if Socrates said them, only to make his own theories and teachings more believable...either way they seem brilliant or at least cool...
walking from ignorance, illusion of 3D into reality which is actually 9D.. but u dont understand it yet.. Phi spiral is the key combined with metatrons cube in perfect understanding
The Allegory of the Cave is Plato's metaphor for explaining his views on philosophers, government, and metaphysics. He believes the philosopher is like the man who left the cave, and it is his responsibility to return to teach and govern the ignorant. The shadows represent his theory of Forms and Idealism. Ask your mother about that theory, it's interesting.
thank you. i have been trying to figure out so much that this has explained....when one goes back into the cave..can one eer get back??? tainted so never like the first time out- how does this effect one long term?
a modern and more proper way of interpreting what Plato said, would be to say that receiving a Nobel prize for example, is as useless as watching television, because it is an egomaniacal illusion. Nobel prizes, medals of freedom, are the "heaps and honors" Plato was talking about. All of it, wasteful egomaniacal garbage, that does not help society, as wasteful and as useless, as television.
baxley, you are reducing one of the greatest mind in antiquity to the role of social critic of people who watch too much shadow plays, kind of how like the fuckhead who posted this video does.
Plato used the shadow play as a PARADIGM of what the habits of a corrupt society represent, he was not using it, to criticize people who spent too much time watching shadow plays.
@stardingo747 Do you think that the producer of the video might have been using tv as a paradigm also. I guess you missed it.
The nobel peace prize is also worthless now because Obama got it without doing anything but adding more troops.
@birthmarkslaya826 do some research outside of American media and you will find that Al-qaeda is a figment of the governments imagination. It was the name of some software on a computer, not some world wide network of "terrorists".
not really, because its a direct attack on television.
what about MMO RPGs? Dude there is a reason I don't play them; I think they are an abomination to gaming. Call me "old school," but, I like to go to the store, buy a game, play it, beat it, and 4 months later sell it, and its over. I don't like the idea of a never ending game, and never seeing the sunlight or another human being ever again.
regarding the "praising heaps and honors" part tell me something; how many youtubers have you ran into, given a seat in congress over how many videos they've watched? How many T.V. couch potatoes have you seen elected president?
your analysis isn't just flawed, seeing beneath it all you are just being an abusive douche.
some fitness and nutrition information, not to mention where to play some sports, would have been MUCH more useful to those poor devils.
in Plato's time, there was theater, and shadow puppetry, he could have just as easily made a "get out and watch the sun" argument like you. The shadow puppets were not a criticism of watching shadow plays too much, they were a paradigm for society's habits, and destructive beliefs. Beliefs so ingrained, that people who challenge them are ridiculed, even killed. Look at for example, what the temple priests did to Jesus; Plato's cave applies there.
ah, some of the stuff on television isn't an illusion; there are people in Iraq who are really dead, for example. Also, the "shadows" Plato was talking about, weren't symbolic of theater, but he was using shadow puppetry as a paradigm for what society believes and accepts to be true, and the person who can be interpret those shadows, is given actual, REAL power. Excuse me but, last time I checked T.V. couch potatoes did not have the power to have ANYONE executed.
Al-Qaeda is a figment of the govt.s imagination and was delivered via tv. No terrist cells were found in America and no Al-Qaeda any where else either. It is also in Wikipedia so even they are not above reproach.
could you possibly sink any lower, than abusing wisdom in that manner so as to insult others?
hey man, I won't argue that excessive T.V., and excessive youtube *wink* is bad for you, fuck, if I had the freedom an dmeans to escape I would. Heck even I prefer a bright suny day over this damned machine (the computer).
seriously though man, you are abusing ancient wisdom, just to insult other people, damned germanic barbarian.
dude, no one gives prizes for watching television.
Also, the allegory of the cave was an argument against egotism, which you are displaying here. All prizes won and given within a society, is ultimately the approval of other people, with no one to give them, and no one to compare yourself to, who would you measure yourself against?
god damn egomaniac; you don't understand shit. You are just using a philosopher's wisdom as a bloated way to call T.V. watchers "losers" is all.
i think it's problematic to frame knowledge in terms of "light" and "dark" as Plato does here. "Truth" (whatever that is) is not something you achieve through some sort of biblical epiphany, rather, knowledge seems to me to be more of an ongoing process (i.e. more experience=more knowledge). So, it's not just light and dark, but a more gradual process. Also, i don't believe there is some "end point" as Plato seems to suggest here...(contd..)
i.e. we' can't be "liberated" into the "light" where we understand everything. that sounds really matrix-y. So basically i dont think there is a point where we will like, know everything
Of course he wasn't talking about TV considering The allegory in the Cave was written in the year 380 but the concept works in today's world. Instead of seeing Shadows of objects against the wall as Socrates explains our wall today is the Television. What is shown on Tv is what most people believe as reality but by freeing your mind of useless garbage and lies we can escape the chains that the media has on us.
that's a great point about TV, aneurysm, but it has almost nothing to do with The Allegory of the Cave...the shadows of the wall aren't literal images, and trying to tranlate them to TV is simply a misrepresentation of what Plato was trying to say.
@Aneurysm776 - not JUST about TV, but about every echo of what you've been told by the status quo... your sense of nationalism from the state that educated you, your religious beliefs instilled by parents or social circles, EVERYTHING is a shadow on the wall until we break the chains that keep us in our own personal stocks and see the bigger picture... free from ego and all our ego baggage.
@PTFAbedeh I think he's telling it in the present day point of view, because in actuality we too are chained (just invisibly) by television and the media. They influence our opinions and have us brainwashed... It's quite peculiar how all of Plato's work or plans or defenses can be evaluated today even with the modernization of things.
@Youngterror101 Right, but Plato wasn't referring to a set society...the Cave is purely allegorical. So replacing the shadows with television isn't a modernization. it just destroys the allegory. that you would mention brainwashing reveals a misconception about what the Cave refers to, and why this video can be problematic. it's not about societal brainwashing, but about the examination of the world through intellect rather than the senses (THIS is only half the allegory, read the rest).
The shadows on the wall are opinions, beliefs, impressions; ideas carried by the many and praised by those very same as if they were marks of brilliance whereas they truly are but shadows - the term is indeed very well chosen - of a reality.
The objects seen at he light of a shinning sun are but truth itself.
Go further can see why do those men bellow are bellow and kept as prisoners; it's not only to suit the matter of not knowing, but also to represent its consequence.
"Socrates: This entire allegory, I said, you may now append, dear Glaucon, to the previous argument; the prison-house is the world of sight, the light of the fire is the sun, and you will not misapprehend me if you interpret the journey upwards to be the ascent of the soul into the intellectual world..." Right or wrong, the allegory as Plato wrote it is not as vague or potentially political as you might want to make it. It's explained within the text. Right here.
Yes, rejecting the status quo IS a very noble, exciting idea, but it's important to recognize that Plato's allegory refers explicitly to rejecting a VERY SPECIFIC status quo (trying to understand the world through the senses) in favor trying to understand the world through intellect and reason. It's important to recognize this, because, as Plato understood, the specifity of the allegory requires much more thoughtful consideration than a vague statement about following the beat of your drum.
This is already happening in America. Most Americans are manipulated by the media [TV/Holywood]. The problem with TV is that even if you know that it manipulates you -- you still get manipulated regardless. This is because your mind is open to free thoughts and the anticrist-box can put crazy thoughts in your head without your permission.
Turn OFF your Television! ^_^ After 1 week without you'll notice you'll feel much healthier.
how can you take something like plato's allegory of the cave and use it to explain random thingss like tv and "antichrist"
this is an age old concept of reality, of faciong reality and how it blinds people to face reality and are forced to come back to the fake reality they know, because its more comfortable than facing the universe as it is not as we see it in our modern world, as fake. you really think that has to do with tv and media manipulation? really?
Look on the internet you get to choose your media -- whether you want to entertain yourself or read etc or whatever it is you want to do.
Television on the other hand, you are not quite the dictator. Most of the information in there is filtered according to whatever the ones in control of it want you receive -- subliminally programming you without notice ehh its complex... I'm not saying not to watch TV but to just be aware its power and what it can do to the human mind.
I don't agree with Plato on everything....but I love this analogy of enlightment. This is exactly how religious people feel when the lose there faith :)
Every level of our life is a cave. Instead of saying we can escape..We simply ascend to another cave. There really is no "exit" when you think about it
But then why would the prisoner, having been exposed to the bright light of day, willingly return to the Cave ? Does the Cave represent the safe & familiar ? His " comfort zone " ? Blissful ignorance ? That part I never really understood.
unfortunately, sometimes you return to the cave to " help " or teach them, & then you get nailed to a cross, garroted, or just attacked. At best ridiculed.
The shadows are " maya ", going up towards the light is " satori ", perhaps full on enlightenment. If he returns, he might be regarded as a bodhisatva by those who didn't try to harm or ridicule him.
I've studied Zen & Tibetan Buddhism & Daoism a lot, so that influence creeps right in.
Force of habit & being human, my friend, force of habit.
I don't like labels like " good, " bad ", " soft ", " hard ", " real ", or " artificial " or binary thinking, but labels are a neccesary evil in this world. Our ideals & reality are very often distinct, or a distinction is made.
I think of the cave allegory as Taoist teaching; If we can leave the cave we will see no right or wrong, no good or bad, no heaven or hell and no gods or devils.
I also think the labels are 'the chains that hold our necks from turning'
Peace to you Knoxvilleguy2 see you outside the cave.
I know this has nothing to do with it, but it reminds me of a utopian society who in order to live that way, have children in the basement/underground who they beat.
Has it been documented, or believed that ancient philosophers (not all) used phsycadelic drugs to expand their thinking? I wouldnt be surprised. I wouldnt criticize either.
People usually think that philosophers are just people who just sit around and think way too much. For the famous ones, that is very true.lol But everybody has a way they think the world should be and live their lives accordingly, for the most part. Therefore, everybody is really a philosopher. For anybody who thinks philosophy is a load of crap, I suggest looking at Diogenes of Sinope. A very good video was posted here on YouTube about him. Very interesting to say the least. Check it out.
We all have created realities that control us and we revolve around. There are only a few people in the world who are free mentally and wise as Socrates was.
where did I say it was created? I said, as you clearly didn't see, that Socrates was mentally free and wise. My comment had nothing to do with in terms of who created it. Reading involves reading AND comprehension.
This is by far one of the best cave allegory videos i have seen so far. Very thought provoking. Not for the entertainment value of a character in a cave. But, for the implications of the scenario in our own reality. Very well done.
The creator of this video, which in my opinion is very good, left out the ending.
It is the task of the enlightened not only to ascend into knowledge and learning but be willing to descend again to those prisoners and to share their troubles and their honors whether they are worth having or not.
Include the ending to Plato's allegory, and I'll send this to everyone I know. PLEASE?
plato was a sage and certainly one of the top five or so philosophers in human history but wasnt the first to be concerned with higher truths or tanscendence towards the other world. the modern world could learn alot from his works
is this refering to how we get impressions through our senses.take sight,body channels vibrations and brain processes them into an image.what we see is a limited image processed by brain which isnt full reality.
yes you are correct. The prisoner is mildred, looking at the parlor walls and believing everything shes sees on the walls and montag is one of th prisoners who broke free and tried to climb to enlightenment and succeded
dont "fear" the message. understand the concepts being presented and mentally depict how it applies to our soceity today... REALLY think about it. Only you can free yourself from the mental bondage you have been warped into...
I totally agree. Most people that I've shown this to, think it is scary and uncomfortable to watch lol. This is just a perspective on opening your mind.
I experienced this in the public school system as a child. The state teaches only what they want you to know. I can never have the 13 years of eight hour a day drivel that they subjected me to back!they are gone forever. Tragedy. Set the children free from these detention centers well call "Skool"
Maybe, but everything is copied. Every word you just used I have used at some point too. Shakespeare, like everyone, learned language from copying others. Einstein needed Galileo for relativity. I think all great ideas need inspiration from some external source to some degree. Nobody really deserves full credit for any idea but I think it's more useful to admire the ideas, not admire the ones who thought them first.
If you live from projections of others, you will never know the world as it really is.
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if u believe the escaped prisoner you could be seen as gullible but if you dont believe the escaped prisoner you could be seen as close minded. it goes both ways. dont believe everything u see or hear but, sometimes its best just to believe for fear of the unknown
anmllvr234 1 month ago
Platos philosphy was so stupid and far away from the truth, that it's hard for me to follow his reasoning. Why in the world would Plato believe in all this shite? I bet any normal worker/peasant at the time would have a better view of the world than plato.
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LCaesars92AAA04 2 months ago
@LCaesars92AAA04 what exactly about platos epistemology and ontology makes sense to you? To me it seems like everything about his philosophy was wrong but hey plato was probably a smart guy
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@GamerOfSkills Hahaha You're literally the people in the cave! That's hilarious.
LCaesars92AAA04 2 months ago
look up MOMMABOY on Amazon.com...very errie
mixityourself 4 months ago
This is one of my favorite analogies of Plato.
07Aristotle 4 months ago
This seems to be anti atheist and pro theist.
IfUrGivingIn 5 months ago
he he blinded by the light
colt460 7 months ago
when you realized with what ideas work with ancient greeks before 3000 years you start cry of our level of civilization...
tasost78 8 months ago
@tasost78 if U knew and understoood what I understand youd shit ur pants
problyout 2 months ago
The crazy part is all the YouTube videos stop at the same part, right before it gets GOOD... I find that INTERESTING
wordsharris 8 months ago
*reading the comments* a lot of u have NO APPRECIATION for the symbolism this allegory truly represents.... (wake up)
wordsharris 8 months ago
our wall today is this physical material world and light operating in the background is our own mind faculties. subconscious Theta and Delta Level. By focusing inward, not through analytical reasoning but relaxation, one could perceive and feel the light body each of us have. high vibration, so high that what one intends in one's mind, will instantaneously manifest and could also bring about change/inspiration to be used within the physical body in physical existence/perception.
bhumimanusha 8 months ago
I think it's perfectly relevant. Cheers.
ascetic43 10 months ago
I dont mean to sound possibly irrelavent here but could one realizing the world beyond the cave be compatible with the psychedelic experience. and personally i think mathmatical universe theory complement panthiesm.
acceptthevoid 10 months ago
@anad0901I have 2 watch this for a class too!!! Boring ass hell!!!!!!!
HOTPASSION2008 1 year ago
I cant believe I have to watch this stupid sh*t for a class
anad0901 1 year ago
@anad0901 dude you in ems umd?
yahs5 1 year ago
@yahs5 im not but my gf is.
anad0901 1 year ago
@anad0901 i have 2 watch this shit for a class too!!!! This is boring as hell!!!!
HOTPASSION2008 1 year ago
wow the pictures are so misleading...
adminoperator 1 year ago
who are the "they" mentioned at the end? who "imprison" us in the words of Socrates?
DJSikkk 1 year ago
@DJSikkk, We imprison ourselves. We choose to believe a fake reality.
Chimera1591 1 year ago
Ahh, dis niggas voice puts me to sleep.
pukaface 1 year ago
fafece
dickmongerer4fun 1 year ago
whats funny about this "video" is that the images you are seeing are getting in the way. I mean to say that, its better if you read it, or just listen. In that way, you are invited to create the images in your own mind, which is much more powerful. these images we are seeing, absolutely do no justice to platos work. The irony is, plato's work compels one to use their imagination and thus, becomes a personal experience that the reader, or in this case, the listener, takes more from.
MYTHIRDSHADOW 1 year ago
i hate my english class but i love youtube
845624 1 year ago 7
looks like something from alpha centauri.
Hectortuba155817 1 year ago
What does the Allegory of the Cave man? Please tell me.
RunescapeREMIXES 1 year ago
@RunescapeREMIXES It's a traditional dialogue from Ancient Athens. It basically tells us that reality is what is and not necessarily what we think or see. A modern interpretation is the Matrix movie (the first one) or Alice in wonderland. Science tells us that what we see is a result of light photons causing an electrical current in our optic nerve which we learn to interperet as vision and therefore what we see has nothing to do with reality but a mere electrical representation of it. Ahhhhh
jacksawild 1 year ago
@RunescapeREMIXES Please see my video entitled, "Cave Allegory: Theism Vs. atheist Dogma" for a complete explanation of what this allegory means.
Purushadasa 1 year ago
Well done !
HY34HU 1 year ago
to the dude who made this video...u would be better off having the image black or no color during the entire clip than all those images you have...once someone sees that video they will most likely always associate those particular images with those words...better u leave it to one's imagination to interpret and try to understand what Plato wrote....thankyou for posting though..
roscoeblevins 1 year ago 36
@roscoeblevins Too bad they would not watch it. They need the shadows you know.
cbaxley 9 months ago
@roscoeblevins weak minded people...dont worry the nwo will have brain chips soon enough...but thanks for your opinion
problyout 2 months ago
I confess- I don't like going back into that cave for the sake of thankless, lethargic and apathetic prisoners who know no better.
Oh, I've done it, but I loath that duty.
Better yet to train the escapees into a cohesive fighting unit and assault the entire system, tearing down the illusion completely. Afterward, unshackling the prisoners and introducing them to reality at a pace of their choosing.
brockal 1 year ago 2
hmmmm though i know that Socrates never wrote anthing because he thought knowledge is a interactive thing, how do we know that he really said what he said, or is it just a manipulation done by Plato or Aristotle
Vprinceofdarkness 1 year ago
There's debate about whether or not Socrates ever actually existed. But Plato was real, or if not him, another man of the same name. He wrote a lot, and almost exclusively through the voice of Socrates, but it's very important to read Plato's writings as literature, and not as historical dialogues.
b8sam6cash 1 year ago
maybe Plato did write things as if Socrates said them, only to make his own theories and teachings more believable...either way they seem brilliant or at least cool...
roscoeblevins 1 year ago
Socrates never said this, Plato made up a philosophical conversation between Socrates and Glaucon to make this allegory
ada1345 1 year ago
My mum is a philosopher Prof.
But she keeps on babbling things hard to get about Socrate's Cave.
Anybody care enough to teach me what exatcly does he mean?
Vprinceofdarkness 1 year ago
walking from ignorance, illusion of 3D into reality which is actually 9D.. but u dont understand it yet.. Phi spiral is the key combined with metatrons cube in perfect understanding
Zejzl 1 year ago
@Zejzl nice, but it's actually 11 dimensions, but who knows, it might be 534D.
megapenguinmafia 1 year ago
The Allegory of the Cave is Plato's metaphor for explaining his views on philosophers, government, and metaphysics. He believes the philosopher is like the man who left the cave, and it is his responsibility to return to teach and govern the ignorant. The shadows represent his theory of Forms and Idealism. Ask your mother about that theory, it's interesting.
b8sam6cash 1 year ago
thank you. i have been trying to figure out so much that this has explained....when one goes back into the cave..can one eer get back??? tainted so never like the first time out- how does this effect one long term?
prettyparadoxal 2 years ago
a most important piece of philosophy
robtherub 2 years ago 2
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the dude who posted this video is just using whatever education he got, just to be an asshole.
ASSUMING he is even educated.
stardingo747 2 years ago
But if we do not use the knowledge we are given, how can we come to new conclusions, and derive new knowledge? We would be nothing without knowledge.
You are ignorant.
dragonflame32 2 years ago
I'll think about what you said next time I take a dump.
stardingo747 2 years ago
lol. Ok then.
dragonflame32 2 years ago
a modern and more proper way of interpreting what Plato said, would be to say that receiving a Nobel prize for example, is as useless as watching television, because it is an egomaniacal illusion. Nobel prizes, medals of freedom, are the "heaps and honors" Plato was talking about. All of it, wasteful egomaniacal garbage, that does not help society, as wasteful and as useless, as television.
stardingo747 2 years ago 2
baxley, you are reducing one of the greatest mind in antiquity to the role of social critic of people who watch too much shadow plays, kind of how like the fuckhead who posted this video does.
Plato used the shadow play as a PARADIGM of what the habits of a corrupt society represent, he was not using it, to criticize people who spent too much time watching shadow plays.
stardingo747 2 years ago
@stardingo747 Do you think that the producer of the video might have been using tv as a paradigm also. I guess you missed it.
The nobel peace prize is also worthless now because Obama got it without doing anything but adding more troops.
@birthmarkslaya826 do some research outside of American media and you will find that Al-qaeda is a figment of the governments imagination. It was the name of some software on a computer, not some world wide network of "terrorists".
cbaxley 2 years ago
not really, because its a direct attack on television.
what about MMO RPGs? Dude there is a reason I don't play them; I think they are an abomination to gaming. Call me "old school," but, I like to go to the store, buy a game, play it, beat it, and 4 months later sell it, and its over. I don't like the idea of a never ending game, and never seeing the sunlight or another human being ever again.
stardingo747 2 years ago
Of course if he was only joking I can forgive it, and take the stick out of my ass.
Plato's cave CAN be humorously used to make fun of T.V., although in this day and age MMO RPG's are a far greater evil.
stardingo747 2 years ago
regarding the "praising heaps and honors" part tell me something; how many youtubers have you ran into, given a seat in congress over how many videos they've watched? How many T.V. couch potatoes have you seen elected president?
your analysis isn't just flawed, seeing beneath it all you are just being an abusive douche.
some fitness and nutrition information, not to mention where to play some sports, would have been MUCH more useful to those poor devils.
stardingo747 2 years ago
Who are you talking to stardingo?
Try on the idea that fear is the chains and tv is the delivery mechanism.
Those shadows in your mind from when you were a child and they told you bible stories of death.
cbaxley 2 years ago
in Plato's time, there was theater, and shadow puppetry, he could have just as easily made a "get out and watch the sun" argument like you. The shadow puppets were not a criticism of watching shadow plays too much, they were a paradigm for society's habits, and destructive beliefs. Beliefs so ingrained, that people who challenge them are ridiculed, even killed. Look at for example, what the temple priests did to Jesus; Plato's cave applies there.
stardingo747 2 years ago
Same here. Most people do not no what a shadow play is any more.
cbaxley 2 years ago
ah, some of the stuff on television isn't an illusion; there are people in Iraq who are really dead, for example. Also, the "shadows" Plato was talking about, weren't symbolic of theater, but he was using shadow puppetry as a paradigm for what society believes and accepts to be true, and the person who can be interpret those shadows, is given actual, REAL power. Excuse me but, last time I checked T.V. couch potatoes did not have the power to have ANYONE executed.
stardingo747 2 years ago
Al-Qaeda is a figment of the govt.s imagination and was delivered via tv. No terrist cells were found in America and no Al-Qaeda any where else either. It is also in Wikipedia so even they are not above reproach.
cbaxley 2 years ago
@cbaxley you're retarded
birthmarkslaya826 2 years ago
Thais is what a person in chains is expected to say. It is in the video
cbaxley 2 years ago
how is "Al-qaeda a history of the government's imagination"?
birthmarkslaya826 2 years ago
could you possibly sink any lower, than abusing wisdom in that manner so as to insult others?
hey man, I won't argue that excessive T.V., and excessive youtube *wink* is bad for you, fuck, if I had the freedom an dmeans to escape I would. Heck even I prefer a bright suny day over this damned machine (the computer).
seriously though man, you are abusing ancient wisdom, just to insult other people, damned germanic barbarian.
stardingo747 2 years ago
dude, no one gives prizes for watching television.
Also, the allegory of the cave was an argument against egotism, which you are displaying here. All prizes won and given within a society, is ultimately the approval of other people, with no one to give them, and no one to compare yourself to, who would you measure yourself against?
god damn egomaniac; you don't understand shit. You are just using a philosopher's wisdom as a bloated way to call T.V. watchers "losers" is all.
stardingo747 2 years ago
i think it's problematic to frame knowledge in terms of "light" and "dark" as Plato does here. "Truth" (whatever that is) is not something you achieve through some sort of biblical epiphany, rather, knowledge seems to me to be more of an ongoing process (i.e. more experience=more knowledge). So, it's not just light and dark, but a more gradual process. Also, i don't believe there is some "end point" as Plato seems to suggest here...(contd..)
birthmarkslaya826 2 years ago
i.e. we' can't be "liberated" into the "light" where we understand everything. that sounds really matrix-y. So basically i dont think there is a point where we will like, know everything
birthmarkslaya826 2 years ago
It does not come from additional knowledge, it comes from the relinquishment of what you know to be true about the shadows.
cbaxley 2 years ago
The most knowledgable are always ridiculed and are deemed to be blind by those who are ignorant.
crawhip2 2 years ago 4
extoteric vs esoteric wake the fuck up people. Government has been fucking up our lives.
kassanova90210 2 years ago
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PTFAbedeh 2 years ago
LOL
Insight22com 2 years ago
duh, you are absolutely right ! Anybody who threatens our TeeVee deserves to die; call for more doughnuts!
marsCubed 2 years ago
Of course he wasn't talking about TV considering The allegory in the Cave was written in the year 380 but the concept works in today's world. Instead of seeing Shadows of objects against the wall as Socrates explains our wall today is the Television. What is shown on Tv is what most people believe as reality but by freeing your mind of useless garbage and lies we can escape the chains that the media has on us.
Aneurysm776 2 years ago 33
that's a great point about TV, aneurysm, but it has almost nothing to do with The Allegory of the Cave...the shadows of the wall aren't literal images, and trying to tranlate them to TV is simply a misrepresentation of what Plato was trying to say.
PTFAbedeh 2 years ago
@Aneurysm776
How about the youtube.
bobo15888 1 year ago
@Aneurysm776 - not JUST about TV, but about every echo of what you've been told by the status quo... your sense of nationalism from the state that educated you, your religious beliefs instilled by parents or social circles, EVERYTHING is a shadow on the wall until we break the chains that keep us in our own personal stocks and see the bigger picture... free from ego and all our ego baggage.
Satyagrahaha 1 year ago
@Aneurysm776 The shadows aren't on TV. The shadows are physical reality. Come on people...
celadonsucks 1 year ago
@Aneurysm776 as told by Plato
safenders 1 year ago
@Aneurysm776 I haven't had television for 10 years. Yet my Computer works much the same.
paraniodyak 11 months ago
@PTFAbedeh I think he's telling it in the present day point of view, because in actuality we too are chained (just invisibly) by television and the media. They influence our opinions and have us brainwashed... It's quite peculiar how all of Plato's work or plans or defenses can be evaluated today even with the modernization of things.
Youngterror101 1 year ago 3
@Youngterror101 Right, but Plato wasn't referring to a set society...the Cave is purely allegorical. So replacing the shadows with television isn't a modernization. it just destroys the allegory. that you would mention brainwashing reveals a misconception about what the Cave refers to, and why this video can be problematic. it's not about societal brainwashing, but about the examination of the world through intellect rather than the senses (THIS is only half the allegory, read the rest).
PTFAbedeh 1 year ago
@PTFAbedeh
The shadows on the wall are opinions, beliefs, impressions; ideas carried by the many and praised by those very same as if they were marks of brilliance whereas they truly are but shadows - the term is indeed very well chosen - of a reality.
The objects seen at he light of a shinning sun are but truth itself.
Go further can see why do those men bellow are bellow and kept as prisoners; it's not only to suit the matter of not knowing, but also to represent its consequence.
GueorguiJoukov 1 year ago
@GueorguiJoukov
"Socrates: This entire allegory, I said, you may now append, dear Glaucon, to the previous argument; the prison-house is the world of sight, the light of the fire is the sun, and you will not misapprehend me if you interpret the journey upwards to be the ascent of the soul into the intellectual world..." Right or wrong, the allegory as Plato wrote it is not as vague or potentially political as you might want to make it. It's explained within the text. Right here.
PTFAbedeh 1 year ago
Yes, rejecting the status quo IS a very noble, exciting idea, but it's important to recognize that Plato's allegory refers explicitly to rejecting a VERY SPECIFIC status quo (trying to understand the world through the senses) in favor trying to understand the world through intellect and reason. It's important to recognize this, because, as Plato understood, the specifity of the allegory requires much more thoughtful consideration than a vague statement about following the beat of your drum.
PTFAbedeh 1 year ago
We read this story in my World Lit class today. Very interesting.
caja1974 2 years ago
its time we awoken and shed all our limitations
teched246 2 years ago
narrator sucks
BRICKTHROWA 2 years ago
This is already happening in America. Most Americans are manipulated by the media [TV/Holywood]. The problem with TV is that even if you know that it manipulates you -- you still get manipulated regardless. This is because your mind is open to free thoughts and the anticrist-box can put crazy thoughts in your head without your permission.
Turn OFF your Television! ^_^ After 1 week without you'll notice you'll feel much healthier.
fighterpilot2k1 2 years ago 3
really?
how can you take something like plato's allegory of the cave and use it to explain random thingss like tv and "antichrist"
this is an age old concept of reality, of faciong reality and how it blinds people to face reality and are forced to come back to the fake reality they know, because its more comfortable than facing the universe as it is not as we see it in our modern world, as fake. you really think that has to do with tv and media manipulation? really?
TheresOnlyOnePills 2 years ago
You bet.
fighterpilot2k1 2 years ago
what makes you think using the internet is any different from the tv
SexualHammer 2 years ago
Look on the internet you get to choose your media -- whether you want to entertain yourself or read etc or whatever it is you want to do.
Television on the other hand, you are not quite the dictator. Most of the information in there is filtered according to whatever the ones in control of it want you receive -- subliminally programming you without notice ehh its complex... I'm not saying not to watch TV but to just be aware its power and what it can do to the human mind.
fighterpilot2k1 2 years ago
I don't agree with Plato on everything....but I love this analogy of enlightment. This is exactly how religious people feel when the lose there faith :)
InFromTheVoid 2 years ago
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plato is an idiot
flipdonky 2 years ago
want to explain that assertion flipdonky. Just because you don't understand something doesn't automatically makes it dumb.
LovexandxRage 2 years ago
you stupid, artless philistine.
But yeah, this adaptation sucks.
ProudToBeNerdy 2 years ago
Every level of our life is a cave. Instead of saying we can escape..We simply ascend to another cave. There really is no "exit" when you think about it
kireraven 2 years ago 6
Read W. Giegerich "The Occidental Souls Self-Immurement in Platos Cave"
klicat 2 years ago
AMAZING, Plato is purely amazing.
imsoSCENExCORE 2 years ago 2
plato also thought that the brain's function was to cool the blood and had the work of the Atomists destroyed
I can take or leave Plato
slh950 2 years ago
Isn't that what it does? LOL
cbaxley 2 years ago
add enough vodka and ... yes!! : )
slh950 2 years ago
Very applicable to how we must today fight the media and government to conserve and regain our liberty.
richarcm 2 years ago
The joke is that the fight is just in my mind. I am the victim of believing what they say.
Insight22com 2 years ago
But then why would the prisoner, having been exposed to the bright light of day, willingly return to the Cave ? Does the Cave represent the safe & familiar ? His " comfort zone " ? Blissful ignorance ? That part I never really understood.
knoxvilleguy2 2 years ago
I think one motivation is to "help" the other people. In my experience most people that you try to show the light to get pretty upset.
Something that you might say to them is "there is no such thing as good or bad". This pretty much will make them freak out on you.
Insight22com 2 years ago 3
unfortunately, sometimes you return to the cave to " help " or teach them, & then you get nailed to a cross, garroted, or just attacked. At best ridiculed.
The shadows are " maya ", going up towards the light is " satori ", perhaps full on enlightenment. If he returns, he might be regarded as a bodhisatva by those who didn't try to harm or ridicule him.
I've studied Zen & Tibetan Buddhism & Daoism a lot, so that influence creeps right in.
knoxvilleguy2 2 years ago
If you have studied Taoism then why do you talk of things as if they are good and bad?
show0me0a0new0one 2 years ago
show0me0a0new0one:
Force of habit & being human, my friend, force of habit.
I don't like labels like " good, " bad ", " soft ", " hard ", " real ", or " artificial " or binary thinking, but labels are a neccesary evil in this world. Our ideals & reality are very often distinct, or a distinction is made.
BTW: I also study Buddhism, both Zen & Tibetan.
knoxvilleguy2 2 years ago
Fair enough, i do it myself too.
I think of the cave allegory as Taoist teaching; If we can leave the cave we will see no right or wrong, no good or bad, no heaven or hell and no gods or devils.
I also think the labels are 'the chains that hold our necks from turning'
Peace to you Knoxvilleguy2 see you outside the cave.
show0me0a0new0one 2 years ago
We go beyond all that, but sometimes it's like having everything we thought we knew stripped away, smashed & destroyed.
It could also apply to people with
" disorders " like autism or Asperger's Syndrome, too.
This allegory is versatile, it can apply to almost any situation.
Right on ! Outside the cave !!
knoxvilleguy2 2 years ago
@Insight22com That may be because you failed to provide evidence for your personal belief that there is supposedly no such thing as good or bad.
Of course, you would change your tune if someone tried to hurt you or someone you loved. I guarantee that you'd complain that it is truly bad.
Moral relativism is a farce -- it cannot be lived consistently because it is intrinsically illogical and inconsistent.
Purushadasa 1 year ago
Ya the Matrix was a great movie.
Shrawty 2 years ago
Id swear that plato knew about people and the television. Then their tv' was taken away and had to deal w/reality??
translationwiz 2 years ago
I prefer the Orson Welles animated version (Plato's Cave--Animated Version) also on uTube.
princeminski47 2 years ago
Lol i like to believe the i think therefore i am thoery. lol
bmccann55 2 years ago
I know this has nothing to do with it, but it reminds me of a utopian society who in order to live that way, have children in the basement/underground who they beat.
lperez6 2 years ago
So you see matter is but energy/light in disguise as a solid matter thus Einsteins theory E=MC^2.
youngcatlaflare 2 years ago
Has it been documented, or believed that ancient philosophers (not all) used phsycadelic drugs to expand their thinking? I wouldnt be surprised. I wouldnt criticize either.
icntube 2 years ago
wouldn't be surprised. i'm defiantly not chained. what he is talking about is ones attachment to what is not important. material things etc etc.
dannylerch 2 years ago
Danny, you're chained. W'ere all chained. Their is no one that is NOT chained, the only thing that is possible is to be able to loosen said things.
Death makes us equal and death will probably be the lifter, not to sound so morbid
kireraven 2 years ago
do you beleive life; matter is an illusion?
usesoap4life 2 years ago
i think so sometimes .........
saykarpaudel 2 years ago
Interesting...
Aniwazoa 2 years ago
prove it
Thraikios 2 years ago
Think of good and bad as the chains.
Insight22com 2 years ago
ha! so is philosophy just a shadow play too?
SwissMajor 2 years ago
People usually think that philosophers are just people who just sit around and think way too much. For the famous ones, that is very true.lol But everybody has a way they think the world should be and live their lives accordingly, for the most part. Therefore, everybody is really a philosopher. For anybody who thinks philosophy is a load of crap, I suggest looking at Diogenes of Sinope. A very good video was posted here on YouTube about him. Very interesting to say the least. Check it out.
TenderTrap86 2 years ago 3
nice job!!!!!!
claitontesch 2 years ago
People have created realities that other people believe in. Money, god, theories, etc.
workingclasssociety 2 years ago 2
We all have created realities that control us and we revolve around. There are only a few people in the world who are free mentally and wise as Socrates was.
HammandClov 2 years ago
The allegory of the cave was written by Plato.
grapefruit96 2 years ago
where did I say it was created? I said, as you clearly didn't see, that Socrates was mentally free and wise. My comment had nothing to do with in terms of who created it. Reading involves reading AND comprehension.
HammandClov 2 years ago 2
This is by far one of the best cave allegory videos i have seen so far. Very thought provoking. Not for the entertainment value of a character in a cave. But, for the implications of the scenario in our own reality. Very well done.
searching4knowledge 2 years ago 4
modern day society.....
issareign 3 years ago
I had to read this for my philosophy class and this video really helped...Thank YOU!!!
HannahJDA 3 years ago
me to thanks
colin340 3 years ago
Same here!! Thanks!!
CherchezMoi 3 years ago
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vannahsmommy 3 years ago
isnt the narrator the same guy from the movie pi
11supaman11 3 years ago
The creator of this video, which in my opinion is very good, left out the ending.
It is the task of the enlightened not only to ascend into knowledge and learning but be willing to descend again to those prisoners and to share their troubles and their honors whether they are worth having or not.
Include the ending to Plato's allegory, and I'll send this to everyone I know. PLEASE?
bigken61 3 years ago
I would finish it but the narrator would have to send me the voice track & we have lost touch.
shawburrows 2 years ago
I'll finish it if you can get
cbaxley to send me the voice tract
shawburrows 2 years ago
plato was a sage and certainly one of the top five or so philosophers in human history but wasnt the first to be concerned with higher truths or tanscendence towards the other world. the modern world could learn alot from his works
generalzeedot 3 years ago
is this refering to how we get impressions through our senses.take sight,body channels vibrations and brain processes them into an image.what we see is a limited image processed by brain which isnt full reality.
cheesyrichardhead 3 years ago
Good work. Lovely voice.
EiserneSeele 3 years ago
This video is a curiosity. Plato's forcast.
darinnear 3 years ago
lovely!!
rnstuffy 3 years ago
Plato is awesome.
Crunchybear1 3 years ago
Vive La Grece! Vive Plato!
oorgah 3 years ago
This message is depressing, I felt the same way after I read Fahrenheit 451, Brave New World, 1984 and Flowers for Algernon.
xxmonickkkkaxx 3 years ago 2
if youve ever read fahrenheit 451, this is sooooooo relevant.
tetherballroxmysockx 3 years ago
yes you are correct. The prisoner is mildred, looking at the parlor walls and believing everything shes sees on the walls and montag is one of th prisoners who broke free and tried to climb to enlightenment and succeded
checkoutjestybeatz 3 years ago
dont "fear" the message. understand the concepts being presented and mentally depict how it applies to our soceity today... REALLY think about it. Only you can free yourself from the mental bondage you have been warped into...
DaTekkenGod 3 years ago 4
I totally agree. Most people that I've shown this to, think it is scary and uncomfortable to watch lol. This is just a perspective on opening your mind.
gfxlab 3 years ago
I experienced this in the public school system as a child. The state teaches only what they want you to know. I can never have the 13 years of eight hour a day drivel that they subjected me to back!they are gone forever. Tragedy. Set the children free from these detention centers well call "Skool"
elar4563 3 years ago 12
Truly amazing! great job! xo
tammydb2003 3 years ago
this is really creepy and confusing. i'm havin to do it for my english class and i'm still confused by it!
rodeocowgirl161 3 years ago
OMG This creeped me out when I read it, it reminds me of like saw.. those sick movies
jekylllord 3 years ago
then set yourself free from the chains
dannylerch 2 years ago
True sociology at work. This is perfect
We are the prisoners
Their are Puppeteers controlling us
And a man controlling them
kireraven 3 years ago 4
show this to the catholics....amazing
chillbrotha01 3 years ago
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this is gay
cajean1 3 years ago
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vannahsmommy 3 years ago
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this sucks hairy, unwashed balls
cajean1 2 years ago
" I went down..., One, Two, Three, Wheres the Fourth ?!?"
SkitISTkreig 3 years ago
Maybe, but everything is copied. Every word you just used I have used at some point too. Shakespeare, like everyone, learned language from copying others. Einstein needed Galileo for relativity. I think all great ideas need inspiration from some external source to some degree. Nobody really deserves full credit for any idea but I think it's more useful to admire the ideas, not admire the ones who thought them first.
goldensleeves 3 years ago 5
Some see blinding in the light...
Others are fortified by it.
Some see fallacy in whats Truth...
Others are Pity them.
ZoeMoney 3 years ago
zzzzz...tired of it all
vinnynumbnuts 3 years ago
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That's indeed tragic. I'd suggest you kill yourself over it.
seba4 3 years ago
calm down why dont you
MaxErnst 3 years ago 2
thats was directed to "dimthelight" ofcourse
MaxErnst 3 years ago
nice video
BellaElenita 3 years ago