"doing the Jesus prayer for 18 hours a day will probably have good results"... wtf, that is bogus... that would make someone spaced out, intellectually vacant, ethically disturbed, entranced by false ideas; clearly, that is not a good thing to do! Harris made a slip up on that one...
@tobynsaunders He said that it would change your moment to moment experience probably for the better, much like taking heroin will change your moment to moment experience probably for the better. He wasn't saying that the way to true happiness is through delusional communications with an imaginary friend that leave you devoid of any accurate mental map of reality. Again, he never said that it was a good thing to do, nor did he accidentally insinuate that.
It is about *feeling* secure. Everything about religion boils down to a feeling of security. No one can know they're truly secure from all harm but they can embrace the feeling of being secure. Religion is the feeling of being secure.
sam harris is the worst preacher of atheism that this way of thinking could have. in debates and talks, the stuff he throws out, from the top of his head, is on a level of a stupid, irrational and angry teenager. he's 44!!!!!!
i am ashamed to call myself an atheist, which by definition i must be, because most people associate atheism with idiots like sam harris. he's really an idiot first, atheist second.
@imikewillrockyou but you have a "holy" book that commands violence against non believers "holy man". that's the difference. you are under oath to destruct others. if you don't believe that you are not christian or muslim. so get off your holy high horse & come down to earth. "how does science speak to your lack of belief in a Supernatural God?" you answer that for me. your the holy man. i don't know about Supernatural God. And since when were unicorns & fairies proven or debunked by science?
Sam erroneously compares Buddhist, Christian, and Hindu experiences as if they are the same. They have much different focuses, directions, intentions and origins. I do agree with him about the dangers of the radical Muslim however.
Hey Sam Harris. Christians believe that murder gets you into hell. So what is the incentive to murder on a mass scale in the Christian faith? You might notice that Christians don't blow themselves up to kill Atheists.
@imikewillrockyou no they kill abortion doctor's for what they do..just disproved your generalization right there.. mass murder has been propagated by christians through out history it's in the bible for fuck sake your argument holds absolutely no grounds
@johnnyd101 No sorry. ATHEISTS killed more people during the last century alone than all other religions combined. You are the most dangerous people on the entire planet so don't give me that propaganda. You all parrot the same false garbage constantly without checking your facts. Here are some facts and hard numbers for you, watch this.
@imikewillrockyou who killed in the name of atheism?millions were killed in holy & race wars. small pox, plague, malaria, cholera, earthquakes, floods & tsunamis killed more people than all human made wars combined. were these diseases & natural disasters created by atheists? do the numbers & see whose responsible. OK i know it hurts your ass. but facts are more stubborn than u could ever possibly dream of being. get real. don't try to con ur way out of delusion. it never worked. never will.
@nayanmalig Freaking watch the vid before you reply. Atheists are the most delusional, arrogant and dangerous people on this plant. Wake up and smell the coffee. I don't care what you believe but I do care when you blindly parrot propaganda rooted in outright lies. Atheists have already attempted to wipe out religion and end all war by murdering tens of millions of people. Because when Atheists murder millions for their ideology it's good.
@imikewillrockyou did atheists create small pox? have they written books asking for stoning to death of humans, how to treat slaves & burn cities? how about cutting off hands of a woman who accidentally touches the groin of a man while defending her husband? has richard dawkins or sam harris written anything similarly insane ? if you want to delude urself go right ahead. but don't try to con the public with false propaganda. BTW i can quote straight from the bible passages if you want.
@nayanmalig Atheists will commit acts of violence and in fact have done so to promote their ideology just as quickly as a person from any religion would. Why? Because just like so many believers ATHEISTS are convinced they alone know "the truth." And history shows that anyone that believes they alone know the truth can and often will KILL for that truth. Atheists are most certainly not the cure, they are MUCH MORE of the same. Again, watch?v=m8UxcGt04zg
@imikewillrockyou what is the name of the "holy" book written by atheists that command violence against non believers & blasphemy? easy question, ain't it? u can answer is one sentence. who said atheists know the truth? you are a victim of your own disinformation. atheists don't know & they don't claim to. they only refer to what has been discovered & proven by science. they are always open to better theories & don't shake in their boots at new findings that challenge the old (unlike theists).
@nayanmalig I never claimed atheist have "holy books" straw man!? And every Atheist claims they "know" there is no God and regard that as truth. Do you not? Or are you really an agnostic, someone that knows you cannot know? And since when was God proven or debunked by science? And since you base your entire world view on science and science only deals with the natural world how does science speak to your lack of belief in a Supernatural God?
@imikewillrockyou but you have a "holy" book that commands violence against non believers "holy man". that's the difference. you are under oath to destruct others. if you don't believe that you are not christian or muslim. so get off your holy high horse & come down to earth. "how does science speak to your lack of belief in a Supernatural God?" you answer that for me. your the holy man. i don't know about Supernatural God. And since when were unicorns & fairies proven or debunked by science?
@imikewillrockyou but you have a "holy" book that commands violence against non believers "holy man". that's the difference. you are under oath to destruct others. if you don't believe that you are not christian or muslim. so get off your holy high horse & come down to earth. "how does science speak to your lack of belief in a Supernatural God?" you answer that for me. your the holy man. i don't know about Supernatural God. And since when were unicorns & fairies proven or debunked by science?
@imikewillrockyou but you have a "holy" book that commands violence against non believers "holy man". that's the difference. you are under oath to destruct others. if you don't believe that you are not christian or muslim. so get off your holy high horse & come down to earth. "how does science speak to your lack of belief in a Supernatural God?" you answer that for me. your the holy man. i don't know about Supernatural God. And since when were unicorns & fairies proven or debunked by science?
@nayanmalig The Bible doesn't command me to commit violence against non-believers. I'm a Christian. Remember Christian follow New Testament commands like ""You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you," Matthew 5:42-44. That's what we believe. The exact opposite of what you think we believe.
@imikewillrockyou pick craftily & believe what u want. but u can't get away from the fact that the bible is all about blood sacrifice. that's the base of christianity. if u donno that u know nothing. god's son is sent thru horrible torture for his own/eve's/satan's mistakes, then brutally sacrificed. even today primitive tribes kill animals similarly. while their animal sacrifices are considered barbarian the human sacrifice is great. that's insane. half the bible cancels the other. u talk love.
@nayanmalig perhaps from your distorted perspective. However, I've studied the entire Bible over many years. Suffice to say your biblical exegesis is not even at a beginner level. And when you only want to attack the bible and already have your mind made up it would be very difficult to ever learn anything about it. That's really sad to me. And I don't mean that disrespectfully. I just appears ran to the bible in a manner to prove what you already wanted to hear, and thus reject it.
@imikewillrockyou you may have studied it without reading it. it is not my perspective that is distorted but the way you avoid responsibility for what is clearly written & instructed. it's amazing how christians delude themselves. it's a kind of self hypnosis. attack? how? when i quote from the bible passages is it attacking? u get upset? u believe it. u preach it but u don wanna hear about it. man, talk about confusion. didn't u see bush say "by the grace of god" just before he invaded iraq?
@nayanmalig Exactly what is written and "instructed"? You really don't have a clue. You're all hung up on atheist out-of-context propaganda. That's dark place to be, you've been brainwashed. And I didn't like Bush and HATE what the U.S. is doing with these needless wars. Politically I'm a Libertarian. You assume a lot about Christians and really need to rethink things, you're way off base. But like I said it's takes a degree of humility.
@imikewillrockyou do you believe the old testament? yes or no? if u don't ur not a christian. if u do ur insane.there's no escape. so choose. don't beating around the bush. now let's see whose brain has been dry cleaned. who said george bush was bad? he had more balls than obama can ever dream of. my point is that christianity is a violent religion & george bush proved it. invading iraq & afghanistan has both good & bad effects. both sadam & bin laden were going off their rockers big time.
@nayanmalig Yes I believe in the OT. However, that is in context with the NT New Covenant system brought by Jesus Christ. So if you wonder why Christians eat ham and do things the OT would not allow you need to first understand the New Covenant system that Christians follow. That would require you to actually read the NT and not just parrot out-of-context verses. And no I still don't like Bush. And Obama is just more of the same. Dems vs. Repubs = false choice
@imikewillrockyou what are the out of context verses u refer to? name one. can you? from what i gather u believe it - but you don't. it's a half way journey without any direction kind of thing. little bit here little bit there. if it makes u happy go ahead, but ur in serious denial. democrats are a more presentable version of the same financial mafia & much more crafty. republicans are "what u see is what u get". but both have their strong points as well as weak.
@nayanmalig No the point is you have no idea what I believe. You really don't. And I agree the democrats and republicans are two heads of the same two headed snake. And it's true many Christians (and most people) are decieved by this game. I'm not. Hopefully we at least agree on that. Peace, Mike
@imikewillrockyou it means u cannot explain clearly. but look below for clarity. from a guy called crazypills2. u can visit him thru my friends column.
" My de-conversion was a slow, gradual process beginning 12 years ago. It culminated one glorious day when I was holding my eldest son. As I looked at him, I knew there was nothing he could ever do to me which would cause me to reject him. At that moment, I knew I was a better father than god, and that Jehovah could not possibly exist."
@nayanmalig Because someone else lacks faith is meaningless to me. Read the book of Job, that deals exactly with crazypills2's lack of faith. Just because God doesn't fit into someone's own perception of what they think God should be doesn't make God not exist. Just means their faith doesn't exist. Faith meaning "trust" IN SPITE of what is going on around you.
@imikewillrockyou trust. that's exactly what the US citizens have in their govt. & banking system IN SPITE of what was going on around them. the plunder still continues & the trust factor is still rock solid. I don envy you. when biologists prove that chimps are genetically closer to humans than they are to gorillas - is it meaningless to you? or what does it mean IN SPITE of the discovery?
@nayanmalig Not meaningless but not really not surprising. We share a very large amount of DNA with a banana. So what should I make of this. And chimps and humans have very similar body plans. So that proves what?
All life is constructed using DNA code that contains very specifically organized INFORMATION! So how does highly organized complex information like this come into being? Cell mitosis being the bases how did that evolve? This is very resistant to Darwinian explanation.
@imikewillrockyou in time scientists will unlock most secrets. better leave it to them & keep an open mind rather than try to fill in blanks. but if u believe in a god & it makes u feel secure & happy go right ahead. nothing wrong with that. but it's impossible to connect a merciful almighty creator god with science & try to explain the world, nature, humanity & the universe logically. makes no sense. all one can say when stuck for answers is- "god is mysterious & therefore cannot be explained".
@nayanmalig I do love science it has done an amazing job at explaining the world we live in, advanced technology and made our lives much better. Science does very well at explaining the "how" questions. However, science can't answer the "why" questions. That falls onto the backs of religion and philosophy.
And I don't believe in God because it makes me feel anything, it just is.
@imikewillrockyou there's always a reason. that's basic human nature. I am sure u believe in a god for one or many reasons. maybe it's subliminal & u haven't realised it yet. I never come across a convincing "why" argument so far since there are too many interpretations. even within the religions things differ wildly. an example - i was debating a christian girl & a guy on youtube recently. now they are having a fierce debate among themselves. the subject? the gender of god. male or female?
@nayanmalig Actually I have very specific reasons I believe their is a God. But if there are "subliminal" reasons I think for most they fall into these areas.
1. I exist therefore God could exist.
2. Time, space and matter cannot be infinite. If infinity is behind me then it's mathematically impossible to ever arrive at today.
3. Life appears to be designed at a very high level. Subliminally, we know this intelligence is greater than ours.
@visionsTube How so? That is a genuine question. And i would like a genuine Non-biblical (assuming you may be religious) answer to it. How did you come to the conclusion that sam harris an ass?
Also, Buddhism, in a way, attempts to take away the fear of death, too, by Gautama's teaching of reincarnation and Nirvana. It's truly mind-boggling how Harris wants to suggest an objective difference here.
He can endorse Buddhism because they don't feel the need to "convert, subjugate or kill" everyone in the world. Therefore, the are an unlike group to go into warfare. also, if you are familiar with Harris's body of work, he is very interested in transcendent states of consciousness.
Not the point. Harris tries to portrait Buddhism as some infailable, not pervertable religion. When you look at Shoko Asahara, facsist Japan or Tibet under the yoke of the Dalai Lamas (the Nazis even visited Tibet because they wanted to apply its brutal, karma-based caste system to Europe), you'll quickly see that his views in this regard are simply laughable. Buddhism has been used to bring countless evils to this world.
Perhaps, Perhaps! Buddhism might could be used by a leader to collect spiritual/religious devotion from his flock in addition to political devotion, but Buddhism does not have any texts advocating crusades of evangelism.
The problem with Harris' constant invocations of Buddhism (his own religion) is that he'll stumble upon his own arguments sooner or later. From the objective, empirically provable point of view that he claims from himself, there's no more reason to be a Buddhist than being an adherent of any other religion. There isn't more proof for Buddhist concepts like reincarnation, Nirvana, karmic law etc. than for the abrahamite views he likes to ridicule. Also, most Buddhists are, in fact, polytheists.
Mr Harris rails against beliefs held on the basis of insufficient, absent or contrary evidence.
Well and good.
Yet, he followed the Dalai Lama around for 2 years -a man who claims to be a reincarnation of lamas descended from the Chenrezig a deity visualized with eleven heads and a thousand arms who in the form of a monkey sired the original Tibetans. A lama is found with help of visions from a sacred lake guarded by a female spirit.
The thing is, the Dalai Lama was never part of the Hitler Youth and never suggested that birth control helped spread STIs.
Whether or not his designation as some kind of divine prophet is the product of stupid, superstitious rituals, the vast majority of the ideas he spreads are good ones that make logical and altruistic sense.
@tyz228 Perhaps you meant the Buddhism that spread among the samurai in the 13th century and helped to shape their standards of conduct, particularly overcoming fear of death and killing. Or the Buddhism that served as the spiritual backbone of the Japanese military leading up to and during WW II. But you couldn't have meant that because it'd burst your Harris-Buddha Bubble, the one that caused you to miss, by a country mile, the point that Hohlmackenreiter made in earlier posts and I backed.
@fctchk-ummm...the japanese are a very complicated case aren't they? zen buddhism is quite different from tibetan buddhism, and the japanese combine buddhism with shinto, ancestor worship, and, at later times, a belief in the divinity of the emperor to form a death cult. i' ve been a practicing buddhist for 20 years...long before i ever heard of sam harris...and i'm sorry to burst your bubble, but i didn't read all the posts here...just yours to which i responded. go fuck yourself.. =)
Ah yes, the classic "not MY religion" gambit that one can always count on to be played sooner rather than later and hid behind in this type of exchange. Yes, it complicates your case the way the crusades complicates Christian's case. And your Lama being reincarnated, descended from an eleven headed, thousand armed deity who in the form of a monkey sired the original Tibetans, found with help of visions from a sacred lake guarded by a female spirit -that, of course, all merely metaphorical.
@fctchk -i meant my ad hominem with a smile...as in...you really expect me to read every comment on this video before responding to something silly you said? i'm an atheist...and...since i like hitchens' word...also an antitheist. i think the world would be much better off without dogmatism of any kind...i'm a buddhist because i found meditation and certain practices helpful, and because, following buddha, HHDL, and my own teachers, i don't have to take up arms in support of any dogma.
@fctchk -but to be a bit more serious...sam harris has 2 issues. 1. the falsity of religious dogma, 2. the harm religious beliefs do. the buddha's teachings are explicitly anti-theistic, and quite open to empirical testing. and the dalai lama himself has stated that in any conflict between buddhism and science, science wins. many people claim that buddhism isn't even a religion as it involves no worship of any deity. so..different cases, different treatment.
@tyz228 20 years of Buddhist practice...sunk cost, anyone? A ghost of a chance of receptivity to critique? 20 years of 8fold pathin', 4noble truthin', middle wayin', devotionin' contemplatin' and meditatin' couldn't prevent you from closing with a crude ad hominem? Tsk, tsk how un-Buddha like. All the while the Enlightenment Industrial Complex is having us believe their Far Eastern woo woo is Linux to the Abrahamics Msdos:P
@fctchk -as far as eastern vs western...(yawn)...the bible is full of slaughter, rape, slavery, ordered by god and apparently happily carried out by his devoted people. i've yet to read, or see reference to, any such actions either in the actual dialogues of the buddha, or in writings of modern buddhist teachers,or any of the monkey god's previous incarnations. if you can't spot the difference, you're a moron.
Yes, the Abrahamics have the evils you list hardwired and Buddhism does not (yawn). Now that we've got the formalities out of the way, let's get to the point. You state "the Buddha's teachings are explicitly anti-theistic". Yet the Lama is claimed to be reincarnated, descended from a deity So which is it? Thank you for YOUR interpretation and now, how will a Tibetan Dalai devotee, who has not had his education, respond when asked what she really believes as to the Lama's origin?
@fctchk - ummm...first, the buddha wasn't a tibetan buddhist. the dalai lama has always said he is merely a humble monk. second, are we to judge doctrines by what the uneducated will say...that should revolutionize physics, linguistics, semantics....think of the advances...i'm impressed. i never would have thought truth was so easy to attain.
You continue to play "not my buddhism" move the goal post footsie: First the Buddhism of Imperial Japan "is quite different" i.e. not reaaaly Buddism. Then "the buddha wasn't a tibetan buddhist." Then you play definition footsie with "theism" which Wikipedia's defines as: "the belief that at least one deity exists"; Websters as : belief in the existence of a god or gods. Does TIBETAN buddhism believe in a deity -irregardless of its magic powers, yes, no, or are you going to dodge yet again?
@fctchk-sorry, i guess when i was in graduate school and the distinguished "deism" and "theism", they failed to consult webster's....i guess i'm losing the dialectic at this point. you're saying that MY claims or beliefs re buddhism are irrelevant...i must defend what some others say or believe? some tibetans i know believe he's the incarnation of chenresig...the bodhisattva of compassion. i thought i said that...
@fctchk -sorry to split the reply...but...character count. "theism" is the belief in a deity who created the universe...chenresig is the bodhisattva of compassion...not the creator of the universe...believing in chenresig is not a form of theism.
If Lama himself doesn't actually believe hes a reincarnated monkey its because his exposure to science has him realize such a belief is untenable not because of anything that can be found in his buddhism. This is why the Dalai follower schooled only in TB teachings will believe the reincarnated monkey sacred lake female spirit is real. The abandonment of intellectual honesty (if there even was any in the first place) to preserve cherished beliefs appears to afflict not only the Abrahamics.
@fctchk trying to recapture the dialectic...are you concluding that because sam harris has said some complimentary things regarding buddhist meditation and the lack of violent buddhist (and jainist) extremists, that HE is a supporter of the monkey-god lake...whatever...thesis? THAT was the beginning of our thread...until you started attacking me...lol....did you forget your meds?
You didn't refute that Buddha was an anti-theist. You simply brought up a Red Herring of Tibetan beliefs. Buddha reprimanded a disciple for believing in reincarnation, he said that deities are a hindrance, and scorned those who posited a supreme being they couldn't see. Also, an eternal God contradicts the Buddhist precept of impermanence.
You've got to be absolutely kidding right? If it wasn't for religion, we'd have our current level of technology 300 years ago. And we'd be at a point of social evolution that we're unlikely to see yet for another few hundred years. The sheer fact that you're trying to attribute the theory of evolution to Religion really renders anything else you've got to say null and void.
Yes that's right. If it weren't for Religion we wouldn't have modern medicine, air travel, genetics, space travel, cars, ships, an understanding of gravity, cosmology, evolution, chemistry, physics and microbiology.
...such as demonic possession causing schizophrenia, and an angry zeus standing on top of mt. olympus throwing down lightening strikes causing lightening.
just like these obsolete misconceptions, once science explains what happens to your conscious when you die, the supernatural explanations we have today will, as i said, become silly.
If I proposed that killing you due to your preference for baked beans would grant me some post-mortem reward, and I expressed interrest in doing so, you would not be acting unethically if you killed me first. That's only reasonable.
Except what this is all about is an excuse for bigots to kill Muslims. I certainly don't think that Muslim doctors who take the Hippocratic Oath should be killed because crackpots like you interpret the Koran as commanding Muslims to kill non-Muslims. You apologists for mass murder make me sick.
Nobody is killing anybody bcs of a specific interpretation of the Koran made by non-Muslims, and no apologetics are neccesary. If I declare that reading Vanity Fair convinced me that killing random Muslims is a surefire way to make God giggle, any Muslim would be acting ethically by killing me first, even if I never actually intended to kill anybody. That was Harris', and my, point.
Are you calling me a Nazi in a cartoonish "Veee hav vays of making you talk, Mr. Jones" kind of way, or a skinhead Neo-Nazi crystal-meth and Screwdriver sort of way, or an Aryan Brotherhood bad tattoos and tossed salad way, or a National Socialist, Arbeit macht frei, Jews and Freemasons run the world kind of way? I just want to clarify your position before I return to my busy day of goose-stepping and ZOG hating.
we christians have problems with religion too, every since jesus blasted the pharisee's.fear is a basic natural instinct, it is not the reason we go to church. we all have an expierience in grace thats personal, that drives our need to share our hope. some people take it beyond a boundary. you take non-belief into the media and are now forming in a sense, your movement, like religion, expressing the dangers of faith. it isn't about a sting. its too deep for you to handle, you don't know me
As much as you want to believe it, this is not a holy war. It's being fought in the name of national security, not God. We can debate if the war is justified all day, but it was never claimed to be a holy war. There has been such a play on words in the media about this, it's funny that people believe it. Bush most likely thought crusade was synonymous with war or fight. I doubt he understood the implications believe it or not.
The 'doctrine' of Christianity is what America, the greatest Nation on Earth and the greatest system of government was founded on, like it or not. The doctrine of Islam and other is radical, I give you that, but Christianity under the scope of an honest intellectual is one of peace and humility. There would never be a reason for a Christian to fly a plane into a building, ever. Christians are called to remove their human nature and despite my human anger, we are called to forgive no matter what.
Ok so we dont fly planes into buildings, we just bomb people in wars. That's a pretty forgiving thing for a nation founded on Christianity to do. Do we forgive them after we bomb them? Is that how it works? Turn the other cheek??
Right. Kind of like Jesus' Dad, as documented in the Old Testament. He directed his "Chosen People" to eradicate whole societies, including women and children (genocide). Kill David's firstborn (infanticide). Advocate slavery (Leviticus). Very loving. Just the kind of principles to found a nation upon. Do Christians ever actually read their Bibles, all of it?
2:35 I have aids?
DrunkenDweorg 2 months ago
Sam Harris with a pigeon sitting on his head?
MrMk1G 6 months ago
"Celestial delights" hahahaha
On a more serious note, over a billion people believe this. Wow!!!
Humanity is tethering...
ezemdi 7 months ago
"doing the Jesus prayer for 18 hours a day will probably have good results"... wtf, that is bogus... that would make someone spaced out, intellectually vacant, ethically disturbed, entranced by false ideas; clearly, that is not a good thing to do! Harris made a slip up on that one...
tobynsaunders 8 months ago
@tobynsaunders He said that it would change your moment to moment experience probably for the better, much like taking heroin will change your moment to moment experience probably for the better. He wasn't saying that the way to true happiness is through delusional communications with an imaginary friend that leave you devoid of any accurate mental map of reality. Again, he never said that it was a good thing to do, nor did he accidentally insinuate that.
chedillychedilly1 7 months ago
It is about *feeling* secure. Everything about religion boils down to a feeling of security. No one can know they're truly secure from all harm but they can embrace the feeling of being secure. Religion is the feeling of being secure.
jimjim 10 months ago
sam harris is the worst preacher of atheism that this way of thinking could have. in debates and talks, the stuff he throws out, from the top of his head, is on a level of a stupid, irrational and angry teenager. he's 44!!!!!!
i am ashamed to call myself an atheist, which by definition i must be, because most people associate atheism with idiots like sam harris. he's really an idiot first, atheist second.
kmica2008 10 months ago
@kmica2008 Give an example?
Nygaard2 9 months ago
I love Jesus but I'm not a Christian. i'm more of a Unitarian, deist or idealist
1971SuperLead 1 year ago
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@imikewillrockyou but you have a "holy" book that commands violence against non believers "holy man". that's the difference. you are under oath to destruct others. if you don't believe that you are not christian or muslim. so get off your holy high horse & come down to earth. "how does science speak to your lack of belief in a Supernatural God?" you answer that for me. your the holy man. i don't know about Supernatural God. And since when were unicorns & fairies proven or debunked by science?
nayanmalig 1 year ago
Sam erroneously compares Buddhist, Christian, and Hindu experiences as if they are the same. They have much different focuses, directions, intentions and origins. I do agree with him about the dangers of the radical Muslim however.
helpmetony 1 year ago
Hey Sam Harris. Christians believe that murder gets you into hell. So what is the incentive to murder on a mass scale in the Christian faith? You might notice that Christians don't blow themselves up to kill Atheists.
imikewillrockyou 1 year ago
@imikewillrockyou no they kill abortion doctor's for what they do..just disproved your generalization right there.. mass murder has been propagated by christians through out history it's in the bible for fuck sake your argument holds absolutely no grounds
johnnyd101 1 year ago
@johnnyd101 No sorry. ATHEISTS killed more people during the last century alone than all other religions combined. You are the most dangerous people on the entire planet so don't give me that propaganda. You all parrot the same false garbage constantly without checking your facts. Here are some facts and hard numbers for you, watch this.
watch?v=m8UxcGt04zg
imikewillrockyou 1 year ago
@imikewillrockyou who killed in the name of atheism?millions were killed in holy & race wars. small pox, plague, malaria, cholera, earthquakes, floods & tsunamis killed more people than all human made wars combined. were these diseases & natural disasters created by atheists? do the numbers & see whose responsible. OK i know it hurts your ass. but facts are more stubborn than u could ever possibly dream of being. get real. don't try to con ur way out of delusion. it never worked. never will.
nayanmalig 1 year ago
@nayanmalig Freaking watch the vid before you reply. Atheists are the most delusional, arrogant and dangerous people on this plant. Wake up and smell the coffee. I don't care what you believe but I do care when you blindly parrot propaganda rooted in outright lies. Atheists have already attempted to wipe out religion and end all war by murdering tens of millions of people. Because when Atheists murder millions for their ideology it's good.
for the real numbers watch!
watch?v=m8UxcGt04zg
imikewillrockyou 1 year ago
@imikewillrockyou did atheists create small pox? have they written books asking for stoning to death of humans, how to treat slaves & burn cities? how about cutting off hands of a woman who accidentally touches the groin of a man while defending her husband? has richard dawkins or sam harris written anything similarly insane ? if you want to delude urself go right ahead. but don't try to con the public with false propaganda. BTW i can quote straight from the bible passages if you want.
nayanmalig 1 year ago
@nayanmalig Atheists will commit acts of violence and in fact have done so to promote their ideology just as quickly as a person from any religion would. Why? Because just like so many believers ATHEISTS are convinced they alone know "the truth." And history shows that anyone that believes they alone know the truth can and often will KILL for that truth. Atheists are most certainly not the cure, they are MUCH MORE of the same. Again, watch?v=m8UxcGt04zg
imikewillrockyou 1 year ago
@imikewillrockyou what is the name of the "holy" book written by atheists that command violence against non believers & blasphemy? easy question, ain't it? u can answer is one sentence. who said atheists know the truth? you are a victim of your own disinformation. atheists don't know & they don't claim to. they only refer to what has been discovered & proven by science. they are always open to better theories & don't shake in their boots at new findings that challenge the old (unlike theists).
nayanmalig 1 year ago
@nayanmalig I never claimed atheist have "holy books" straw man!? And every Atheist claims they "know" there is no God and regard that as truth. Do you not? Or are you really an agnostic, someone that knows you cannot know? And since when was God proven or debunked by science? And since you base your entire world view on science and science only deals with the natural world how does science speak to your lack of belief in a Supernatural God?
imikewillrockyou 1 year ago
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@imikewillrockyou but you have a "holy" book that commands violence against non believers "holy man". that's the difference. you are under oath to destruct others. if you don't believe that you are not christian or muslim. so get off your holy high horse & come down to earth. "how does science speak to your lack of belief in a Supernatural God?" you answer that for me. your the holy man. i don't know about Supernatural God. And since when were unicorns & fairies proven or debunked by science?
nayanmalig 1 year ago
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@imikewillrockyou but you have a "holy" book that commands violence against non believers "holy man". that's the difference. you are under oath to destruct others. if you don't believe that you are not christian or muslim. so get off your holy high horse & come down to earth. "how does science speak to your lack of belief in a Supernatural God?" you answer that for me. your the holy man. i don't know about Supernatural God. And since when were unicorns & fairies proven or debunked by science?
nayanmalig 1 year ago
@imikewillrockyou but you have a "holy" book that commands violence against non believers "holy man". that's the difference. you are under oath to destruct others. if you don't believe that you are not christian or muslim. so get off your holy high horse & come down to earth. "how does science speak to your lack of belief in a Supernatural God?" you answer that for me. your the holy man. i don't know about Supernatural God. And since when were unicorns & fairies proven or debunked by science?
nayanmalig 1 year ago
@nayanmalig The Bible doesn't command me to commit violence against non-believers. I'm a Christian. Remember Christian follow New Testament commands like ""You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you," Matthew 5:42-44. That's what we believe. The exact opposite of what you think we believe.
imikewillrockyou 1 year ago
@imikewillrockyou pick craftily & believe what u want. but u can't get away from the fact that the bible is all about blood sacrifice. that's the base of christianity. if u donno that u know nothing. god's son is sent thru horrible torture for his own/eve's/satan's mistakes, then brutally sacrificed. even today primitive tribes kill animals similarly. while their animal sacrifices are considered barbarian the human sacrifice is great. that's insane. half the bible cancels the other. u talk love.
nayanmalig 1 year ago
@nayanmalig perhaps from your distorted perspective. However, I've studied the entire Bible over many years. Suffice to say your biblical exegesis is not even at a beginner level. And when you only want to attack the bible and already have your mind made up it would be very difficult to ever learn anything about it. That's really sad to me. And I don't mean that disrespectfully. I just appears ran to the bible in a manner to prove what you already wanted to hear, and thus reject it.
imikewillrockyou 1 year ago
@imikewillrockyou you may have studied it without reading it. it is not my perspective that is distorted but the way you avoid responsibility for what is clearly written & instructed. it's amazing how christians delude themselves. it's a kind of self hypnosis. attack? how? when i quote from the bible passages is it attacking? u get upset? u believe it. u preach it but u don wanna hear about it. man, talk about confusion. didn't u see bush say "by the grace of god" just before he invaded iraq?
nayanmalig 1 year ago
@nayanmalig Exactly what is written and "instructed"? You really don't have a clue. You're all hung up on atheist out-of-context propaganda. That's dark place to be, you've been brainwashed. And I didn't like Bush and HATE what the U.S. is doing with these needless wars. Politically I'm a Libertarian. You assume a lot about Christians and really need to rethink things, you're way off base. But like I said it's takes a degree of humility.
imikewillrockyou 1 year ago
@imikewillrockyou do you believe the old testament? yes or no? if u don't ur not a christian. if u do ur insane.there's no escape. so choose. don't beating around the bush. now let's see whose brain has been dry cleaned. who said george bush was bad? he had more balls than obama can ever dream of. my point is that christianity is a violent religion & george bush proved it. invading iraq & afghanistan has both good & bad effects. both sadam & bin laden were going off their rockers big time.
nayanmalig 1 year ago
@nayanmalig Yes I believe in the OT. However, that is in context with the NT New Covenant system brought by Jesus Christ. So if you wonder why Christians eat ham and do things the OT would not allow you need to first understand the New Covenant system that Christians follow. That would require you to actually read the NT and not just parrot out-of-context verses. And no I still don't like Bush. And Obama is just more of the same. Dems vs. Repubs = false choice
imikewillrockyou 1 year ago
@imikewillrockyou what are the out of context verses u refer to? name one. can you? from what i gather u believe it - but you don't. it's a half way journey without any direction kind of thing. little bit here little bit there. if it makes u happy go ahead, but ur in serious denial. democrats are a more presentable version of the same financial mafia & much more crafty. republicans are "what u see is what u get". but both have their strong points as well as weak.
nayanmalig 1 year ago
@nayanmalig No the point is you have no idea what I believe. You really don't. And I agree the democrats and republicans are two heads of the same two headed snake. And it's true many Christians (and most people) are decieved by this game. I'm not. Hopefully we at least agree on that. Peace, Mike
imikewillrockyou 1 year ago
@imikewillrockyou it means u cannot explain clearly. but look below for clarity. from a guy called crazypills2. u can visit him thru my friends column.
" My de-conversion was a slow, gradual process beginning 12 years ago. It culminated one glorious day when I was holding my eldest son. As I looked at him, I knew there was nothing he could ever do to me which would cause me to reject him. At that moment, I knew I was a better father than god, and that Jehovah could not possibly exist."
nayanmalig 1 year ago
@nayanmalig Because someone else lacks faith is meaningless to me. Read the book of Job, that deals exactly with crazypills2's lack of faith. Just because God doesn't fit into someone's own perception of what they think God should be doesn't make God not exist. Just means their faith doesn't exist. Faith meaning "trust" IN SPITE of what is going on around you.
imikewillrockyou 1 year ago
@imikewillrockyou trust. that's exactly what the US citizens have in their govt. & banking system IN SPITE of what was going on around them. the plunder still continues & the trust factor is still rock solid. I don envy you. when biologists prove that chimps are genetically closer to humans than they are to gorillas - is it meaningless to you? or what does it mean IN SPITE of the discovery?
nayanmalig 1 year ago
@nayanmalig Not meaningless but not really not surprising. We share a very large amount of DNA with a banana. So what should I make of this. And chimps and humans have very similar body plans. So that proves what?
All life is constructed using DNA code that contains very specifically organized INFORMATION! So how does highly organized complex information like this come into being? Cell mitosis being the bases how did that evolve? This is very resistant to Darwinian explanation.
imikewillrockyou 1 year ago
@imikewillrockyou in time scientists will unlock most secrets. better leave it to them & keep an open mind rather than try to fill in blanks. but if u believe in a god & it makes u feel secure & happy go right ahead. nothing wrong with that. but it's impossible to connect a merciful almighty creator god with science & try to explain the world, nature, humanity & the universe logically. makes no sense. all one can say when stuck for answers is- "god is mysterious & therefore cannot be explained".
nayanmalig 1 year ago
@nayanmalig I do love science it has done an amazing job at explaining the world we live in, advanced technology and made our lives much better. Science does very well at explaining the "how" questions. However, science can't answer the "why" questions. That falls onto the backs of religion and philosophy.
And I don't believe in God because it makes me feel anything, it just is.
imikewillrockyou 1 year ago
@imikewillrockyou there's always a reason. that's basic human nature. I am sure u believe in a god for one or many reasons. maybe it's subliminal & u haven't realised it yet. I never come across a convincing "why" argument so far since there are too many interpretations. even within the religions things differ wildly. an example - i was debating a christian girl & a guy on youtube recently. now they are having a fierce debate among themselves. the subject? the gender of god. male or female?
nayanmalig 1 year ago
@nayanmalig Actually I have very specific reasons I believe their is a God. But if there are "subliminal" reasons I think for most they fall into these areas.
1. I exist therefore God could exist.
2. Time, space and matter cannot be infinite. If infinity is behind me then it's mathematically impossible to ever arrive at today.
3. Life appears to be designed at a very high level. Subliminally, we know this intelligence is greater than ours.
Those are some "subliminal" clues people follow.
imikewillrockyou 1 year ago
"If the creator of the world entire
They call God, of every being be the Lord
Then an evil master is he,
Knowing what's right did let wrong prevail!"
-- Buddha
BTNH24 1 year ago
I like this video as it proves that Sam Harris is an ass
visionsTube 1 year ago
@visionsTube How so? That is a genuine question. And i would like a genuine Non-biblical (assuming you may be religious) answer to it. How did you come to the conclusion that sam harris an ass?
censurabass 1 year ago
sorry to lower the tone of this discussion, but did I hear Sam say "I have AIDS" around 2:36?
spikymiky 1 year ago
Where is the rest of this talk???
maddtappin 2 years ago 5
@maddtappin
It's from The God Who Wasn't There.
drovoseg 11 months ago
God isnt real, you are all bads.
bobojangles6900 2 years ago
Jeez Warren52nz, we already gave the world Ray Comfort, let's not continue!!
Buddythunder1 2 years ago
warren52nz you are fucking retarded grow up seriously do u really think sam harris was sent by satan?
nankebaby502 2 years ago
I think you might be missing a metric fucktonne of sarcasm there my friend.
CalmlyHysterical 2 years ago
hehe He looks like Ben Stiller hahe :)
lewisbirtles 2 years ago
check out:
Dan Siegel Google Talk
Dan Rather Mind Scence
qaplatlhinganmaH 2 years ago
Also, Buddhism, in a way, attempts to take away the fear of death, too, by Gautama's teaching of reincarnation and Nirvana. It's truly mind-boggling how Harris wants to suggest an objective difference here.
Hohlmackenreiter 2 years ago
He can endorse Buddhism because they don't feel the need to "convert, subjugate or kill" everyone in the world. Therefore, the are an unlike group to go into warfare. also, if you are familiar with Harris's body of work, he is very interested in transcendent states of consciousness.
mpower20 2 years ago
Not the point. Harris tries to portrait Buddhism as some infailable, not pervertable religion. When you look at Shoko Asahara, facsist Japan or Tibet under the yoke of the Dalai Lamas (the Nazis even visited Tibet because they wanted to apply its brutal, karma-based caste system to Europe), you'll quickly see that his views in this regard are simply laughable. Buddhism has been used to bring countless evils to this world.
Hohlmackenreiter 2 years ago
actually, harris makes that exact point in "the end of faith" with reference to zen buddhism inspiring kamikaze pilots in world war 2.
ernstergarcia 2 years ago
Perhaps, Perhaps! Buddhism might could be used by a leader to collect spiritual/religious devotion from his flock in addition to political devotion, but Buddhism does not have any texts advocating crusades of evangelism.
darkmiles22 2 years ago
The problem with Harris' constant invocations of Buddhism (his own religion) is that he'll stumble upon his own arguments sooner or later. From the objective, empirically provable point of view that he claims from himself, there's no more reason to be a Buddhist than being an adherent of any other religion. There isn't more proof for Buddhist concepts like reincarnation, Nirvana, karmic law etc. than for the abrahamite views he likes to ridicule. Also, most Buddhists are, in fact, polytheists.
Hohlmackenreiter 2 years ago
Mr Harris rails against beliefs held on the basis of insufficient, absent or contrary evidence.
Well and good.
Yet, he followed the Dalai Lama around for 2 years -a man who claims to be a reincarnation of lamas descended from the Chenrezig a deity visualized with eleven heads and a thousand arms who in the form of a monkey sired the original Tibetans. A lama is found with help of visions from a sacred lake guarded by a female spirit.
A whole lotta monkey business, Mr. Harris.
fctchk 2 years ago
The thing is, the Dalai Lama was never part of the Hitler Youth and never suggested that birth control helped spread STIs.
Whether or not his designation as some kind of divine prophet is the product of stupid, superstitious rituals, the vast majority of the ideas he spreads are good ones that make logical and altruistic sense.
InfernalApocalypse 1 year ago
The beneficence of Mr. Lama is not the
topic. At issue is Mr. Harris cutting
Messrs. Lama and Buddha slack while
ridin' hide on jesus whose woo is just as
whack.
Just insisting Sam and his Samboys
here on the internets maintain
consistency of debunk (cod).
fctchk 1 year ago
@fctchk-yes, and all those tibetan suicide bombers and buddhists who shoot doctors in the head at church show how violent buddhism is....lol
tyz228 1 year ago
@tyz228 Perhaps you meant the Buddhism that spread among the samurai in the 13th century and helped to shape their standards of conduct, particularly overcoming fear of death and killing. Or the Buddhism that served as the spiritual backbone of the Japanese military leading up to and during WW II. But you couldn't have meant that because it'd burst your Harris-Buddha Bubble, the one that caused you to miss, by a country mile, the point that Hohlmackenreiter made in earlier posts and I backed.
fctchk 1 year ago
@fctchk-ummm...the japanese are a very complicated case aren't they? zen buddhism is quite different from tibetan buddhism, and the japanese combine buddhism with shinto, ancestor worship, and, at later times, a belief in the divinity of the emperor to form a death cult. i' ve been a practicing buddhist for 20 years...long before i ever heard of sam harris...and i'm sorry to burst your bubble, but i didn't read all the posts here...just yours to which i responded. go fuck yourself.. =)
tyz228 1 year ago
Ah yes, the classic "not MY religion" gambit that one can always count on to be played sooner rather than later and hid behind in this type of exchange. Yes, it complicates your case the way the crusades complicates Christian's case. And your Lama being reincarnated, descended from an eleven headed, thousand armed deity who in the form of a monkey sired the original Tibetans, found with help of visions from a sacred lake guarded by a female spirit -that, of course, all merely metaphorical.
fctchk 1 year ago
@fctchk -i meant my ad hominem with a smile...as in...you really expect me to read every comment on this video before responding to something silly you said? i'm an atheist...and...since i like hitchens' word...also an antitheist. i think the world would be much better off without dogmatism of any kind...i'm a buddhist because i found meditation and certain practices helpful, and because, following buddha, HHDL, and my own teachers, i don't have to take up arms in support of any dogma.
tyz228 1 year ago
@fctchk -but to be a bit more serious...sam harris has 2 issues. 1. the falsity of religious dogma, 2. the harm religious beliefs do. the buddha's teachings are explicitly anti-theistic, and quite open to empirical testing. and the dalai lama himself has stated that in any conflict between buddhism and science, science wins. many people claim that buddhism isn't even a religion as it involves no worship of any deity. so..different cases, different treatment.
tyz228 1 year ago
@tyz228 20 years of Buddhist practice...sunk cost, anyone? A ghost of a chance of receptivity to critique? 20 years of 8fold pathin', 4noble truthin', middle wayin', devotionin' contemplatin' and meditatin' couldn't prevent you from closing with a crude ad hominem? Tsk, tsk how un-Buddha like. All the while the Enlightenment Industrial Complex is having us believe their Far Eastern woo woo is Linux to the Abrahamics Msdos:P
fctchk 1 year ago
@fctchk -as far as eastern vs western...(yawn)...the bible is full of slaughter, rape, slavery, ordered by god and apparently happily carried out by his devoted people. i've yet to read, or see reference to, any such actions either in the actual dialogues of the buddha, or in writings of modern buddhist teachers,or any of the monkey god's previous incarnations. if you can't spot the difference, you're a moron.
tyz228 1 year ago
Yes, the Abrahamics have the evils you list hardwired and Buddhism does not (yawn). Now that we've got the formalities out of the way, let's get to the point. You state "the Buddha's teachings are explicitly anti-theistic". Yet the Lama is claimed to be reincarnated, descended from a deity So which is it? Thank you for YOUR interpretation and now, how will a Tibetan Dalai devotee, who has not had his education, respond when asked what she really believes as to the Lama's origin?
fctchk 1 year ago
@fctchk - ummm...first, the buddha wasn't a tibetan buddhist. the dalai lama has always said he is merely a humble monk. second, are we to judge doctrines by what the uneducated will say...that should revolutionize physics, linguistics, semantics....think of the advances...i'm impressed. i never would have thought truth was so easy to attain.
tyz228 1 year ago
You continue to play "not my buddhism" move the goal post footsie: First the Buddhism of Imperial Japan "is quite different" i.e. not reaaaly Buddism. Then "the buddha wasn't a tibetan buddhist." Then you play definition footsie with "theism" which Wikipedia's defines as: "the belief that at least one deity exists"; Websters as : belief in the existence of a god or gods. Does TIBETAN buddhism believe in a deity -irregardless of its magic powers, yes, no, or are you going to dodge yet again?
fctchk 1 year ago
@fctchk-sorry, i guess when i was in graduate school and the distinguished "deism" and "theism", they failed to consult webster's....i guess i'm losing the dialectic at this point. you're saying that MY claims or beliefs re buddhism are irrelevant...i must defend what some others say or believe? some tibetans i know believe he's the incarnation of chenresig...the bodhisattva of compassion. i thought i said that...
tyz228 1 year ago
@fctchk -sorry to split the reply...but...character count. "theism" is the belief in a deity who created the universe...chenresig is the bodhisattva of compassion...not the creator of the universe...believing in chenresig is not a form of theism.
tyz228 1 year ago
If Lama himself doesn't actually believe hes a reincarnated monkey its because his exposure to science has him realize such a belief is untenable not because of anything that can be found in his buddhism. This is why the Dalai follower schooled only in TB teachings will believe the reincarnated monkey sacred lake female spirit is real. The abandonment of intellectual honesty (if there even was any in the first place) to preserve cherished beliefs appears to afflict not only the Abrahamics.
fctchk 1 year ago
@fctchk trying to recapture the dialectic...are you concluding that because sam harris has said some complimentary things regarding buddhist meditation and the lack of violent buddhist (and jainist) extremists, that HE is a supporter of the monkey-god lake...whatever...thesis? THAT was the beginning of our thread...until you started attacking me...lol....did you forget your meds?
tyz228 1 year ago
@fctchk
You didn't refute that Buddha was an anti-theist. You simply brought up a Red Herring of Tibetan beliefs. Buddha reprimanded a disciple for believing in reincarnation, he said that deities are a hindrance, and scorned those who posited a supreme being they couldn't see. Also, an eternal God contradicts the Buddhist precept of impermanence.
BTNH24 1 year ago
@tyz228 I just wanted to say, I love your comments. :D
ThatGuyWhoSucksBoobz 1 year ago
You've got to be absolutely kidding right? If it wasn't for religion, we'd have our current level of technology 300 years ago. And we'd be at a point of social evolution that we're unlikely to see yet for another few hundred years. The sheer fact that you're trying to attribute the theory of evolution to Religion really renders anything else you've got to say null and void.
EvoV19 2 years ago
"Fool's logic is the epicentre of atheism."
Yes that's right. If it weren't for Religion we wouldn't have modern medicine, air travel, genetics, space travel, cars, ships, an understanding of gravity, cosmology, evolution, chemistry, physics and microbiology.
Thank God for God.
warren52nz 2 years ago
'God' just fills in what people don't understand until science explains it, then the 'God' explanation becomes silly.
controllerbrain 2 years ago
Fool's logic is the epicentre of atheism.
TAXtheAtheist 2 years ago
...such as demonic possession causing schizophrenia, and an angry zeus standing on top of mt. olympus throwing down lightening strikes causing lightening.
just like these obsolete misconceptions, once science explains what happens to your conscious when you die, the supernatural explanations we have today will, as i said, become silly.
controllerbrain 2 years ago
Brian Flemming made this didn´t he?
JohnnyKubark 2 years ago
WOW! So glad to find Sam Harris, yet another voice of reason in a sea of ignorance. Well Done!
warren52nz 3 years ago 23
Megadittos, Rush!
hitchwatch 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Sam Harris is a voice of deceit & lies. He runs a Bernie Madoff type of 'spiritual ponzi scheme'.
Sam is a Fake.
TAXtheAtheist 2 years ago
Yeah Sam was sent by Satan. The reason his arguments make so much sense and can't be disputed is because Satan is vary VERY clever!
Try to prove what he says is wrong and you'll see just how clever the Devil is...
LOL. FAIL.
warren52nz 2 years ago
"[S]ome propositions are so dangerous that it may even be ethical to kill people for believing them" - Sam "Nice Guy Sammy" Harris
hitchwatch 3 years ago
If I proposed that killing you due to your preference for baked beans would grant me some post-mortem reward, and I expressed interrest in doing so, you would not be acting unethically if you killed me first. That's only reasonable.
vwgolf1991 3 years ago
Except what this is all about is an excuse for bigots to kill Muslims. I certainly don't think that Muslim doctors who take the Hippocratic Oath should be killed because crackpots like you interpret the Koran as commanding Muslims to kill non-Muslims. You apologists for mass murder make me sick.
hitchwatch 3 years ago
Nobody is killing anybody bcs of a specific interpretation of the Koran made by non-Muslims, and no apologetics are neccesary. If I declare that reading Vanity Fair convinced me that killing random Muslims is a surefire way to make God giggle, any Muslim would be acting ethically by killing me first, even if I never actually intended to kill anybody. That was Harris', and my, point.
vwgolf1991 3 years ago
Shut up, you Nazi pig.
hitchwatch 3 years ago
Are you calling me a Nazi in a cartoonish "Veee hav vays of making you talk, Mr. Jones" kind of way, or a skinhead Neo-Nazi crystal-meth and Screwdriver sort of way, or an Aryan Brotherhood bad tattoos and tossed salad way, or a National Socialist, Arbeit macht frei, Jews and Freemasons run the world kind of way? I just want to clarify your position before I return to my busy day of goose-stepping and ZOG hating.
vwgolf1991 3 years ago
Decent protests a bit too much.
hitchwatch 3 years ago
vwgolf1991 wins because he/she is obviously educated.
warren52nz 3 years ago
warren52nz is a delusional Kiwi.
hitchwatch 3 years ago
let's end religion
Ruby1978 3 years ago
we christians have problems with religion too, every since jesus blasted the pharisee's.fear is a basic natural instinct, it is not the reason we go to church. we all have an expierience in grace thats personal, that drives our need to share our hope. some people take it beyond a boundary. you take non-belief into the media and are now forming in a sense, your movement, like religion, expressing the dangers of faith. it isn't about a sting. its too deep for you to handle, you don't know me
biscuitt8 3 years ago
As much as you want to believe it, this is not a holy war. It's being fought in the name of national security, not God. We can debate if the war is justified all day, but it was never claimed to be a holy war. There has been such a play on words in the media about this, it's funny that people believe it. Bush most likely thought crusade was synonymous with war or fight. I doubt he understood the implications believe it or not.
KeezeeD 3 years ago
The 'doctrine' of Christianity is what America, the greatest Nation on Earth and the greatest system of government was founded on, like it or not. The doctrine of Islam and other is radical, I give you that, but Christianity under the scope of an honest intellectual is one of peace and humility. There would never be a reason for a Christian to fly a plane into a building, ever. Christians are called to remove their human nature and despite my human anger, we are called to forgive no matter what.
KeezeeD 3 years ago
Ok so we dont fly planes into buildings, we just bomb people in wars. That's a pretty forgiving thing for a nation founded on Christianity to do. Do we forgive them after we bomb them? Is that how it works? Turn the other cheek??
Staunts 3 years ago
Right. Kind of like Jesus' Dad, as documented in the Old Testament. He directed his "Chosen People" to eradicate whole societies, including women and children (genocide). Kill David's firstborn (infanticide). Advocate slavery (Leviticus). Very loving. Just the kind of principles to found a nation upon. Do Christians ever actually read their Bibles, all of it?
nixworld767 3 years ago
If anyone is interested this is part of "The God who wasn't there" extras.. Very good stuff
danielsiq 3 years ago
You're an idiot
mar387 3 years ago
he kinda looks like seth green but it way smarter and is correct
91962 3 years ago
Brilliant as usual.
bootdownthedoor 3 years ago
awsome as always Sam!
ruwandr 3 years ago
Nice and new video, only 111 views as of now. Sam is brilliant
Pungopingu 3 years ago
Look forward to your next book Sam!
javadave2 3 years ago