"Ten Years On" - TaxPayers' Alliance cinema advert

[3n3rggy]

what is the name of the track , tell me please .

[albr00700]

the common market generates 140 000 000 000euros a year...

thanks EU

[jman6495]

soooo true

[jjintheuk]

Great video

[taxpayeranthem]

Awesome. Cheers!

[taxdebtreliefforpove]

I am delighted, cool!

[erasedebt]

meglio vedere una volta di sentire rendering!

[jamesytaylor1]

Well it wouldn't be completely obviously, BUT we would be outside the trade barriers, costing us vital trade and jobs as a result.

Let me tell you, if Brown had not bailed out the banks we would have been not in a recession but in a depression.

[EurocratsComeNotHere]

No state or political union is self sufficient. The EU's internal trade will only last so long. Then they will inevitably be forced to end their pseudo protectionist policies.

[EurocratsComeNotHere]

I think you will find that there is a simple choice in our economic situation. Be flloded with EU goods now then be drowned in Chinese Brazilian and Indian goods later, OR we can have feasable control over who we trade with and how we trade with them.

[jjintheuk]

@EurocratsComeNotHere Sounds a bit protectionist to me! Why not support free trade with any businesses in different Nations that want to trade with the UK. There is no point in closing the country off to better things (cheaper or better quality goods and services)

[EurocratsComeNotHere]

I will however agree with you that nationalisation of Northern Rock probably stopped the bleeding, so to speak.

I'm steadfast liberal, and beleive the conservative way of "stand here and do nothing" carries limited weight in economic crisis.

However, i do not think that prolonging this as long as brown has and call it "life support" kicks the penguin a little. I mean, give a man a fish and he'll eat, teach him to fish and he'll never go hungry.

[Martinetta]

The argument against our retention of our markets in the Commonwealth was the distance. However in 2009 most of our goods are produced in China and India, in ships that cause more CO2 than any other form of transport, we have no positive balance of trade with the EU, our fishing stocks are being decimated by Spanish ships hoovering them up (for fertilizer) etc. so it seems to me there is little point in retaining membership in this corrupt, dictatorial system.

[huddguy]

We (uk) are a small Island. We will not be able to defend (commercially) ourselves against China, Brazil and India over the next few decades, alone. We need to be in the EU to do that. The price you pay is closer integration, harmonisation of laws and permanent holders of the top jobs to raise the profile of the EU around the world. That for me is a price worth paying!

[EurocratsComeNotHere]

Wrong.

A small island perhaps, but still holding as one of the biggest economic and military powers in the world. Beaten down but still holding. The idea of seeking power through retention of our EU membership is a self bastardising argument.

[jamesytaylor1]

Erm, so what does our economy specialise in these days that will be able to compete with the emerging economies?

Finance? Oh wait a minute...

Of course we need the EU.

[EurocratsComeNotHere]

Wrong again. Contrary to your highly researched beleifs, the UK is not one of those banana republics where there is only one possible method of economic output. There is possibilty for a resart of primary and secondary industries. The EU is what holds us back. Foreign companies cannot manufacture here, not for lack of room or workforce, but because of the EU tax and regulation. The EU also get our goods such as North Sea Oil at a discount price.

[jamesytaylor1]

Oh dear oh dear. Please go an read an economics book.

Firstly, we could never go back to manufacturing on a big scale, the emerging economies are way more cost efficient than we are. Bar having widespread protectionism, we could never compete.

Dream on, We rely on the EU

[EurocratsComeNotHere]

Ok then mr self-proclaimed social-commentator/ecconomist.

Once again, we do not rely on the EU. If he EU werent there we would simply rely on Europe as nations. Its not as if, when it dissapears every counrry will be like: "Oh, we're not in a union anymore, lets not trade".

[EurocratsComeNotHere]

How is it the our government can bloat our public sector, yet create NO JOBS.

[huddguy]

This is the biggest load of drivel I have ever heard. It's a man reciting a balance sheet. Have they described any waste of monies here? No. They have failed to mention that £10.3B on the CAP helps secure food for 500 million people; without mentioning where money is wasted.

As for the cost of each Euro MEP, obviously it will cost more to have MEPs travel from Oslo that it will from Paris- so that figure is misleading, as it's an average.

[FrankinHolland]

Someone is on the EU gravy train.  All the CAP does is starve africans and keep France in control of all competing lower cost imports from the americas. Go to a US supermarket and you will be shocked at the garbage you eat in the EU thanks to the CAP and France.

[huddguy]

American eat shite, are massively obese and consume far more than they should.

As for France, yes, they are too protectionist and CAP does need reforming. But europe has been supplied with a constant, stable and reliable amount of food since it's inception. Don't blame the EU for the greed of the French.

[shergold21]

We never fought 2 world wars to be told what to do ALL the time -- plus look around for this Common Purpose organisation that parades as a non profit. MORE evil on our door step.

EVERYONE needs watch out for more evil will win if we do not fight for our country. OUR Relatives did, even the WW1 veterans said" why did they have to die?" they obvoiusly did not see any benefits either to being inthe EU.

[shergold21]

The treasonus ted heath just wanted access to cheaper food and a big pension.

Thise that voted in 1975 was on the basis that it was for trade NOT politics. - Ted heath admitted later that he had lied to us/Queen. The EU is just lip service to joe public that is unravelling - but not enough yet to make a big difference.

When will the public wake up to the EU accounts 66 billion, not been audited and signed off for 14 yrs. the MP expense row is just a distraction from the real issues.

[shergold21]

Craftie

eg,.. - the west indian islands do not like having to deal with the USA as they have bad habits of not paying for products. many 3 rd world farmers have tried to take them to court etc,..

The general ignorant public are apathetic now and do not want to be in the EU as there IS NO BENEFIT to the average person. ONLY those that have admin jobs on good salaries at our expense in brussels. We traded with the wolrd for hundreds of years we NEVER NEEDED the EU.

[shergold21]

Craftie

you are so right on most of your comments. Trouble is most young people are under the mistaken idea that the EU will support all countries.

When you/anyone decides to read up on the History of the EU you will see that it is just a way of getting to UK and all its contacts with the world historically.

We are always favoured when it comes to doing trade as for the most part we pay a fair price for produce eg,..

[vulnerabledonkey]

Those damn french and spanish people stealing my money! I WANT THEM DEAD! ADFGUWEKADFU!"!£"!!!!!eleven!!­!

[onerichie]

I dont think the way to fix something that is corrupt, wasteful and ineffective is to destroy it. Lets face it, under the Bush administration those three words describe the USA....did the country just give up and have all states declare independance? No, of course not.

We don't need to destroy the EU, just radically change it. Having an EU benefits its member states in many ways, something this book wouldnt admit. If somethings broken, fix it. Don't just give up on it

[Androidoful]

"did the country just give up and have all states declare independance?"

They are going to do it very soon, some already are doing it. Nothing changed under Obama, it actually got much worse.

You do not try to pick beans out of shit because what you would end up with are just shit covered beans. We need clean beans :)

[onerichie]

lol love the "beans out of shit" analogy :D It all depends on if its a few beans in a load of shit, or a nice big pile of beans with a little bit of shit on. Is the EU mostly rotten with a few benefits here and there? Or is it a force for good thats just lost its way? Do the pros outweigh the cons or vice versa? You don't throw out a potato because its muddy, you wash the mud off.

[Androidoful]

Oh, it's few beans in a LOAD of shit, trust me :) I'm not sure there even are any beans, it's probably not worth to wade trough the shit to find out.

What are the benefits of the EU? Frankly I can't see any, except empty rhetoric which when looked closer at it nothing more than a deception to sell the idea of EU.

[EurocratsComeNotHere]

Correct. You throw out a potato because it's rotten.

[Craftie24732292]

The EU is the first half of your question. However, as a British person I can't say that I've ever noticed any benefits whatsoever. It's a dictatorial, non-democratic, marxist organisation. It will stop at nothing to get what it wants: total power over Europe. From our point of view, it does what the clip shows. Costs us billions a year to make us less democratic & less competitive in every way you can think of. Makes 75-80% of our laws & it's law overrides our laws, so it has precedence too.

[onerichie]

Oh and I'm fairly sure that none of the states of the USA have declared independance or are planning to. That would be some serious international news.

[Androidoful]

Texas suggested it and many more are passing legislation to affirm their independence of the federal government.

I can't find the articles right now but it's happening. They're pissed of that federal government does what it pleases when it doesn't have the authority to do so according to constitution. Much like EU, they're trying to destroy sovereignty of the states.

[onerichie]

The states of the US dont have sovereignty. They aren't countries, not anymore. Texas became a Republic once, from 1836 to 1846. As did California, and maybe others. But there are no serious plans for any of the states to declare independance nowadays (note that I say serious plan; I'm sure some redneck whackjobs somewhere wants Texas to be a country)

[colinbehr]

Great post, precisely what I have been trying to put across.

[inandoutagain]

Hear hear! The EU is no more corrupt than our parliament - it has given us decades of peace and free trade. If people stopped being so negative about it and campaigned to improve it that would be a huge bonus.  When did you ever hear of the BBC or Sky news report positively about the EU? Apart from Mark Mardell of the BBC there has been no good reporting of EU affairs for decades. The BBC and Sky have badly let us down.

[ThePaxip]

Sorry Europhiles, but it was the nuclear bomb and not the EU that kept peace in Europe. I don't think the Soviet Politburo quaked in fear at the thought of the EEC. Tyranny in Europe will not bring peace. This always leads to war. EU is arrogant and this led to war in Georgia just last year. Learn the lessons from history. EU is corrupt. EU is anti-democratic. The EU is led by amateurs who can't engage in open debate and referenda because they know they would lose. So sad, so sad.

[Craftie24732292]

I agree with you completely. The thought of the Kremlin including the EU in its military plans is so utterly ridiculous, that it 's laughable! However, it's another EU favourite lie/perceived truth that they repeat ad nauseum. One of their favourites in fact. They hope people with feel "grateful" to them, for doing in this case: sweet F.A. What they don't destroy, they make up. They won't engage in open debate because it's against their dictatorial instincts. They are such a treat, aren't they?

[Craftie24732292]

That's not much of a morale booster!

[inandoutagain]

I used to support the TPA until I realised that they are only UKIP members in disguise. The EU isn't perfect, but then neither is Westminster. I would rather be a member of the EU with our European brothers and sisters who share our common history and culture when dealing with the might of China, Russia and the USA. You have to live outside the UK to realise how small and insignificant this country is in a vast and dangerous world.

[EurocratsComeNotHere]

Perhaps if you overcame your wretched defeatism, you'd see that we have hope on one side and capitulation on the other. Try to guess which sides.

[Craftie24732292]

We prefer to be small & insignificant, rather than NON-existent within the EU. Your point about our common European history & culture: European culture is very diverse we have very little in common. As far as insignificant goes, we've become much less significant since we were conned into the EEC>EC>EU. With all the money saved by not contributing to the EU & free of EU regulations/constraints, we could provide a much larger & more powerful military. Which the Cons are looking at now even in EU.

[inandoutagain]

So Germany and France are non existant then? Try telling their citizens that! We are going down the tubes because the Tories destroyed our industry and Labour relied on bankers and service industries. We were not conned, we went into the EU for business reasons and those reasons still apply - our trade is mainly with the EU.

[Craftie24732292]

Our trade is most definitely NOT mainly with the EU.Oh how did we manage to exist before the EU? The EU counts all trade that calls in at Rotterdam as trade with the EU! Never mind if that trade then carries on in its ships to Asia North America or wherever! A typical EU lie/con piece of propaganda.Useful to our Europhile PMs to frighten us small children into thinking "There's no other way!" However, people still own their own minds & they research nonsense like the stuff you continually spout!

[Craftie24732292]

Just in case you're wondering: why Rotterdam? It's the central hub of continental European sea trade.That's got nothing to do with the EU, it's a geographical fact, not a political one. However, if a ship calls into Rotterdam to drop off "some" trade, even if it goes to Russia, all of its cargo is craftily counted as trade with the EU! If a ship calls in to re-fuel, ALL of its cargo is likewise counted as trade with the EU even if ALL of its cargo is destined for Asia! Another TYPICAL EU LIE!

[Craftie24732292]

Our armed forces have been very severely neglected for the past 20 years. But in the twentieth century it was proved, yet again, that it is very difficult to invade Britain. The Germans couldn't do it at the height of their power in 1940, when we were very weak. We need a much stronger Navy again, which isn't an impossible aim by any means. 20 years ago we had the 3rd largest Navy in the world. Current weakness is due to political parsimony.

[inandoutagain]

The EU was set up to stop wars between European nations and has been very successful in that. We do not need a navy to stop the French or Germans invading us. The threat today is terrorism and from within.

[Craftie24732292]

By "We" I presume you are referring to the EU? The EU may not need a Navy, but we as an "independent" island trading nation, very definitely do. The EU is now so repugnant, so bullying, so over powerful, so undemocratic, that it is far more likely to START a war than it is to prevent one. It has done absolutely NOTHING to prevent war. NATO prevented war, how can a trading union prevent war? Armed forces prevent wars, the armed forces of NATO deserve the praise that you're claiming for your EU.

[Craftie24732292]

If you mean "We" as in Britain that makes you a traitor. Look up the treason laws. Anyone who gives any of our sovereignty to a foreign power is a traitor. Anyone who helps them even by ignoring their actions is a traitor. Anyone who actively agrees/helps them is most definitely a traitor.The politicians have got away with it so far because who will prosecute them? The CPS? An organisation set up by politicians to prevent the police from prosecuting criminals. It never made any sense until now.

[Craftie24732292]

One day improbable as it may seem to people like you. Britain will have it's independence again. Then there'll be a reckoning. Who helped this monstrous thing to happen? Who broke OUR laws so that this could happen? Capital punishment doesn't exist now. But the "future" is a very long time. Three PMs & their helpers & anyone who didn't try to stop them, or actively tried to help them, will have cause to be very worried, because they've all committed High Treason. That includes you.

[Craftie24732292]

From now on "inandoutagain" I am having nothing to do with you. I will not reply to your posts, because all that needs to be said, has been said. You have chosen your side, I & the vast majority of the British population have chosen our side. You are a Traitor. I don't argue with traitors. I have nothing to do with them. Traitors who are quite happy to see our ancient freedoms stolen, who are happy to see the enemy's new order prevail & our freedom disappear.

[Craftie24732292]

Last century a very large number of my male relatives fought in 2 wars against an over mighty European power. Many were killed. They were ALL wounded in one way or another: physically, mentally, some both. They were never the same again.They fought for Britain's freedom & democracy. Not the EU an over powerful dictatorial euro-power. That's EXACTLY what they fought against! I'm having nothing more to do with you. To argue with a traitor is to sully their memory & I will NEVER do that. F.O.A.D.!

[Craftie24732292]

Free of the EU we would be many tens of billions of pounds better off a year. No membership fee, no regulations which are harming our trading position with the rest of the world. No EU "fines". All in all we when all the restraints on business & industry are removed, we would literally be over a 100 billion better off a year. A fraction of that would provide very powerful: Navy, Air Force & Army. We don't need Europe to protect us, we never did in the past. But Europe has needed us occasionally.

[inandoutagain]

This is nonsense - Switzerland & Norway are not in the EU, but they have to trade by EU rules without any legal input. I would rather be on the club committee helping to make decisions rather than having them made for me.

[Craftie24732292]

So the EU bullies non-members.I didn't know that. Interesting, they make decisions for people who are not even in the EU! Probably part of an ongoing attempt to bully them into the EU. The more I learn about the EU the more I come to believe that they are truly evil. Utterly incapable of fairness or any form of decency or democracy. The EU should try bullying the resurgent Russia. Their response would be most interesting & probably very violent. It would also be highly & richly deserved.

[NP1D305]

Its not only the net contribution that should be taken into a/c. The CAP costs each British family >£400 a year, the CFP >£250. EU red tape = huge costs to industry and business. Ditto compliance with various EU legislation. Also remember, when EU legislation forces UK companies out of business, workers lose their jobs. The politicians/eurocrats keep theirs. I see no benefit to EU membership. Whatsoever.

[NP1D305]

...contd

The EU considers UK waters a common resource and has told our fishermen what to fish, when, and how much. UK fishing communities are a shadow of their former selves. Our boats are mothballed while the Spanish fleet grows, hoovering up under-sized fish and anything else. The existence of the CFP is the main reason why the Norwegians and Icelanders have wisely never joined the EU. They dont view THEIR fishermen and resources as expendible.

The EU is rotten and corrupt to the core.

[NP1D305]

@ShredCater

As Britain is a NET CONTRIBUTOR (to the tune of £41M a day and rising), any money we get back was ours to begin with. Whats more, when the EU gives us back some of OUR money, it tells us how and where to spend it. CAP was created to prop up inefficient French farmers and is one-sided. The CFP has been a disaster for the UK. We had to give up our fishing grounds as a condition of entry to the Common Market. Traitor Heath said at the time British fishermen are expendible. ..cont'd

[dol1030]

'Read Ten Year On at all good bookshops'. Not sure bookshops like you to read books there - they prefer that you buy them. Thought the bright sparks at TPA would have known that.

Mind you, with the EU taking ALL OF OUR CASH then you probably can't afford to buy it, can you...?

Final fact - Taxpayers Alliance has 20,000 members. That's some alliance when there's about... ooh, 40-50m tax payers in the UK...

[xxjonboy]

My problem with this ad is that it has a weak punchline - read this book. Who is going to read that book? Not your average Joe.

It needs a strong message at the end, like:

The only way to stop this waste is for Britain to get out of the European Union.

Spell it out. It's what people understand/

[scotspeter]

this video will awaken the sleeping british public? but it fails to mention the micro chipping of all newborn? to be a member of this satanic nwo? if you refuse the chip , the antichrist master will banish you from the WORLD BANKING SET UP?

[truthisnotavailable]

I see that the accountants have refused to sign off the EU's accounts yet again.

This is a corrupt organisation that is removing peoples rights on a daily basis. So why do people support fraud and corruption?

I don't care who produced this or what party they support, it's still shows what could happen 10 Years On or didn't you read that before you came out with your comment ShredCater ?

We need to take back our country from these greedy cretins in Brussels.

[ShredCater]

@truthisnotavailable The point I'm making is that the figures in this advert simply don't add up. I agree it's irrelevant who they are, but if they're going to come out with anti-EU propaganda then they need to at least get their facts straight. The figures they are giving are not hypothetical from 10 years in the future; they are supposedly from now. Except they've chosen to ignore the £4bn+ Britain gets back from the CAP and CFP each year.

[ShredCater]

@truthisnotavailable Oh and by the way, 'fraud and corruption' don't just exist within the EU - look at our own MPs. Withdrawal from the EU isn't going to put a stop to corruption.

[acunningclown]

@ShredCater at least it would give us the power to stop it

[ShredCater]

Funny - the Daily Express, the TPA's paper of choice, puts the cost of the EU to Britain at £6.4bn. Now, my maths isn't the greatest, but I'm reasonably sure that doesn't work out at £2k per person...

[rutmark]

An excellent video and a brilliant book! If you think we had problems with our MP's expenses, believe me, they were nothing! Well in excess of the fortune we pay into the EU is lost to Fraud! The accounts have not been signed off for 15 years! But there is a silver lining for our politicians (many of whom have been proved guilty of fiddling already) Massive salaries, unlimited expenses and gigantic pensions no wonder they want us to remain a member of the European ONION. LET'S GET OUT NOW!

[dol1030]

TPA is staffed by Tories, and funded (from outside the UK!) by Tory supporters. It's full of (discredited) Thatcherite economists.

It's grey, has big ears and a trunk. I find it very hard to believe that it's not an elephant.

[iamlegion4wearemany]

Nice one but they have us now unless we pull out altogether! out of the EU for me!!

[tomwatts04]

Great ad!

This is an advert coming from the Tax Payers Alliance... absolutely nothing to do with Labour or Tories!

I've read the book and it's superbly written by Dr Lee Rotherham (and endorsed by Trevor Kavanagh and Frederick Forsythe).

Keep up the good work TPA.

[dol1030]

A nonsensical advert from a nonsensical Tory front group.

All those filthy foreigners stealing our money, riding on their gravy train! And we get nothing - except greater trading opportunities for British companies, a wider jobs market for UK citizens, safer and and a greater choice of food, peace and prosperity that was never there before Europe's integration, and weight in negotiations with the US, China and Russia that we'd never have as a tiny island state resting on its history...

[VivaCutiePie19]

Fanastic!

[Britain1st]

Britain is practically bankrupt - over the next few years, public sector jobs will be decimated, and yet our idiot government (and Tory one in waiting) are happy to hand over what little money we do have! Get MAD people, and tell them NO!

[thepoliticalwonk1]

Spot on! It makes the point perfectly and was entertaining at the same time. We need more ads of this calibre and running them in cinemas is the way forward. I bet we see more political ads on the big screen from now on.

[HoratioNel]

Thanks to all at TPA for their great efforts in not only unmasking wasteful bureaucracy in general but above all for exposing the intrinsic illogicality, corruption and criminally wasteful practices of the "EU", this damaging and totally unnecessary millstone around Europeans' necks. Society and industry need flexibility and "fresh air to breath", not the crushing suffocation of this "EU" sham, its mafia-like "commission" and its phony "parliament".

Keep up the good work TPA,

Horatio Nelson

[whiskasalpha]

@HoratioNel

LOL. A right wing pressure group waves a few daily mail stats and off you go..

Who are The Tax payer alliance anyway?

Bank rolled by rich gits who dont pay enough tax.. LOL

keep banking the rocks together pal..

Tory stooge!

[jjintheuk]

@whiskasalpha Actually no - a company ran on donations from the public. I'm a Student, not a rich git that doesn't pay enough tax. Anyway that comment doesn't make sense, rich gits largely pay too much tax - over and above the national average % and well above the average pay in amount, they also get less benefits and services!

The TPA campaign for transparency, lower taxes, less wast, withdrawal from the EU.

Its not about campaigning for tax avoidance you retard, as that is bad.

[whiskasalpha]

@jjintheuk

LOL..

Whos the real retard? Me for knowing that the TPA is purely for rich people to avoid paying  their FAIR share of tax. Or you? Who apparently is fooled hook ,line and sinker.. How does it feel to be used!

Or am i wrong?

Has one got aspirations to be greedy little capitalist after you salved your concience by doing some charity work?

Come on own you greedy little Philip green you :-P

[arthur1411]

@whiskasalpha This is not a left right issue. Are Austin Mitchell, Caroline Lucas, Kate Hoey, John Cryer, Brian Gould, Brian Denny, Kelvin Hopkins & Bob Crow ++++++++++++++++many others right wing?

[mikejamesuk1]

Great ad - very well made and certainly makes you think about how much we pay and how wasteful the EU is with our money. The EU gravy train must be derailed and very quickly - and with our elected politicians failing us at every turn, its only people like the TPA that can help make change happen. Keep up the good work with more ads like this one!

[nytram61]

Making glossy videos which cost alot to make won,t help., I thought you were about saving money!

[hyweltthomas]

Well done, TPA. I reckon any referendum asking if we want to stay in will come up with a resounding NO, so why are our governments so keen to avoid one? It's a real shame they don't listen to the people.

I remember voting us in all those years ago and what have we got? A useless, corrupt, ineffective organisation who represents no-one but benefits the lucky few. Get out now.

[Craftie24732292]

Our governments are keen to avoid any referendum because they're personally making lots & lots of money out of the EU. The last 3 prime ministers: Major, Blair & Brown have all committed High Treason, to get us in deeper! To give any foreign power the smallest part of our sovereignty is High Treason. A capital offence until 1998 when Blair (a lawyer) had it repealed, to cover his backside when he then committed High Treason. PMs are getting 30 very large pieces of silver for their signatures.

[yoctocb]

Wow, it's amazing what the EU does for us - I never new that you could grow Euros in fields and fish them from the sea!

[haveiwon]

Thank goodness there's a team of brilliant people to fight our cause. Help the TPA by sending some money to keep up the good work.  The EU is a disgrace.

[barrymx5]

Well done TPA! The only way is OUT of the EU. Vote Blue for the EU.

[eroticterrorist]

I appreciate the cause but this is not a good ad. It presumes prior knowledge of the CAP, CFP amongst viewers for a start...

Just stating the cost of these folies, and not explaining why they are so counterproductive loses half of the argument.

[robindevil77]

the eu is for corrupt useless politicians,bureaucrats with an eye on telling ''people to obey' eu diktats'whilst ignoring their own taxation.

''corporate fascism''

we want our 300bn pounds back from 367bn paid in since 1973; at least 12 lawlords depend on eu membership for their pensions aka mandelsohn,brittain,richard&le­b-dim meps etc

[nahlin356]

colinbehr - You have answered your own point. We are in a global economy so tying ourselves to little Europe is stupid and futile.

[BlesamaSoul]

i was lucky to get one of the free copies of the book 10 years on from the TPA, while i have never been keen on the EU after reading this book its clear Britian has no option but to leave the EU, with debts running out of control and our democratic future being eroded day after day its time to say enough is enough, within a few years we would be enjoying lower taxes and better government, needless to say trade would never suffer as business trades regardless of the EU, stop the EU scam now

[BHENSHI1201]

Never in the field of human conflict was so much lost by so many to so few. We must never forget that all the time, night after night, month after month, our freedoms travel far into the EU, and are destroyed in the darkness by the highest political skill, often under the heaviest fire, often at serious loss, with deliberate, careful precision, shattering blows upon the whole of Britain and the free world.

As for the Irish!

Cowards die many times before their actual deaths. "Julius Caesar"

[colinbehr]

You keep talking about Britain as though it is the only contributer. As I pointed out before, Germany is a far larger net contributer than Britain, but nobody likes to point that out do they? That goes back to my point that the EU is larger than just this little island.

[heltoeu]

Why, living in Britain, do I need to bother with Germany? Let them bother about themselves...

[BHENSHI1201]

I will predict this. Within 2 years the EU will take away Britains ability to vote. Doing away with general elections, replacing it with Zone MEP elections. There will be Euro Police on our streets with greater powers that no British politician or Judge can question. When we are all subjugated in our massive island prison (all travel will be restricted) we can while away the time reading a poem by Pastor Martin Niemöller "First they came for the Jews" (If the EU has not burnt all the books).

[BlesamaSoul]

if this was to happen then we can always introduce the IED and direct action to the EU, one thing we do know is they are sly underhand and not very brave, given the option to fight we will have to take it, we can only hope DAVE comes good in 2010

[colinbehr]

The UK is a member of the EU and that will not change. I think it a more 'prudent' (to quote our beloved Gordon Brown) course of action to change the organisation from within rather than to continue to fight against it. Besides, Britain cannot successfully anymore without her partner countries in the European Union, it is important to remember that we need them just as much as they need us.

[BHENSHI1201]

What a lode of nonsense. The same silly euroluvie spewing out their we need the eu crap. WE, THE PEOPLE do NOT need the eu. Our world trade is far greater the the eu. WE, THE PEOPLE have NEVER been ASKED if WE want to be a part of this undemocratic circus. It is a unstoppable monolithic bureaucratic monster run by unelected career political thugs that know how to subjugate the people with lies and misinformation destroying national sovereignty, liberty and the right to self-determination.

[colinbehr]

I think you misunderstand my viewpoint. I understand the need for the EU in the same way as we need a Government in the UK. In an increasingly global economy, we need the free trade area which is the EU, along with the cooperation of other countries. This does NOT mean that I don't view the wastage and corruption with disgust, but I am simply pointing out that at this point it is a wast of time to talk about exiting the EU. It makes far more sense to reform it.

[BHENSHI1201]

REFORM! The eu is a cancer. You cannot negotiate with a cancer. you have to chop it out completly or it will keep coming back. We do NOT have a governing goverment in the UK as long as we stay in the eu.

Dont play word games. They no longer work.

[Chainedorlo]

You guys can sign a free trade agreement with one sentence stating that all quotas, tariffs, etc. are eliminated with all countries who have signed on.

[BlesamaSoul]

well said, given the chance to avoid the EU crap we would be wealthy and happy as a nation, the EU is hopeless and they can keen their level playing fields!

[BlesamaSoul]

Bollocks we do not need partner nations in Europe, they have sucked us dry of cash and will continue to do so, we can have free trade agrements with EU members and do our won thing in the world, the reason for the EU died long ago, its completely alien to our culutre and killing our nation, time to get out otherwise serious civil and armed struggle will hit these idlands in the next 10years some of us will not suffer this crap beyond 2012!

[flowmytea]

The EU has proven itself to be illegitimate, by forcing through the Lisbon treaty against the will of its people. We have no choice but to leave the EU. The only reason we have not is that it gives our political classes more opportunities for advancement: they love the idea of a sweet sweet placement in Europe when they get kicked out of Westminster.

[Craftie24732292]

"The UK is a member of the EU & that will not change." Are you a fortune teller? How do you know what we'll do? If we remain a democratic state & regain some of our lost rights, after the first referendum we have, we'll be gone my friend! No more EU! We need the EU like a dose of something nasty! As for Gordon the Moron he's a traitor. We'll bring back the death penalty for him alone! Our "parliament" needs to be thoroughly reformed & cleansed of people who use the system for their own benefit.

[ENDEUARABIA]

uk out of the EU !

[SingularNinjular]

By the time people wake up to this, it will be too late for democracy. Direct action wil be the only option. I hope I'm wrong.

[ACD54]

Great stuff - get the message out there!

[upthebees]

Sad but true, we pay a fortune to the corrupt EU which makes the Cosa Nostra look like a Saints convention by comparison.

[NickDiPerna]

Too many people living off the taxpayer.

[Demirep]

Horribly, horribly true. Unfortunately I cannot be as optimistic as Ermintrude75. I don't see any outcry from the poor, overtaxed public. Most people just seem to shrug and then get back to watching the reality shows where their votes really count.

[Fambrato]

EU corruption sucks!! The system is rigged against the Brits thanks to our impotent self serving UK politicians! Funny ad, loved the french farmer - magnifique! lol

[colinbehr]

I would like to point out that the UK is not the only country contributing. Germany contributes substantially more than the UK (in net terms).

[Ermintrude75]

I can't see the UK staying in the EU for very much longer. Recent events such as the Lisbon Treaty and the banking crises have made it's faults too obvious to the general public. When the Lisbon Treaty becomes law and more powers pass across to Brussels the outcry will be too much for Westminster to ignore.

[TheCornishsteph]

Unfortunately, there is nothing Westminster will be able to do about it. That is what is so depressing about the Lisbon Treaty. They now have it all sewn up. Leaving the EU is now the only option.