He is running a cult. Go hangout at his chat network, and ask some critical questions. See what happens. I once totally believed in this guy and laughed the 'cult' label but this guy fits it.
What about there winged monkeys flagging videos that simply disagree with them, sounds cultish to me, and there plan does sound like a hideous control mechanism.
I have watched a lot of stefbot's videos, I can see no evidence of a cult. Unless you want to say thinking for yourself and offering advice on very important topics, that the main stream won't even touch, is a cult.
Wow, that was big of this fellow to step out and speak on Zeit and Venus as not being a cult. Even though the title would have you believe otherwise, which is the only thing I can say about this video that is less than decent. Could have been titled, "TVP/TZM in not a cult" even so, I'm still impressed.
Well I'm glad to see Stefan talking sense on the RBE. Since I am Atheist I recognize that doesn't make one immune to cults. Is a good idea a Cult?Does the Venus Project offer me Salvation? Well since I'm 54 I will probaly never live to see the vision fully realized. I am interested in the RBE/Venus project for the sake of my Grandchilderen & I don't want to see the Human Experiment go down the shitter.
Capitalism is on Life support, When it dies there needs to be a transition for Humanity.
From the Wiki: The word cult pejoratively refers to a group whose beliefs or practices are considered strange.[1] The word originally denoted a system of ritual practices. The narrower, derogatory sense of the word is a product of the 20th century, especially since the 1980s, and is considered subjective. It is also a result of the anti-cult movement which uses the word in reference to groups seen as authoritarian, exploitative and that are believed to use dangerous rituals or mind control.
@Neanderthalcouzin Well I snagged that from the Wiki, I am trying to precisely define what is a cult. Personaly I don't want to be involved in a cult. I took the top part from Wiki there is a lot more to define what is a cult.
Also I think Cults promise some sort of Salvation. Well since Building entire cities may take decades it will probaly never benefit me personaly. Thus no Salvation for me.
I'm glad Stefan put his 2 cents in saying the RBE is not a Cult.
This is a reasonable presentation of the right for the VENUS PROJECT to be presented without the need to beliittle the intelligence of people who support the philosohphy and the scientific and economic arguments, of the VENUS / ZEITGUIST movement throughout the world. Those who abuse us have narrow
minds and blinkered thinking. They are the mindsets of people who believe that LABOUR & MONEY are
fixed like the stars in heaven..THE PERFECT ECONOMIC STORM to come may make them think otherwise.
@nbm34 Very true, they are so invested in the old paradigm that as Peter Joseph says they become Beligerent when confronted with the transition to an RBE. Even people who the Capitalistic Market System has failed for them have a diffucut time accepting that the time has come to transition to a new type of System.
A lot of Pain will have to come before the Mass's look for a way out of their condition.
@valhala56 This is so . Not to see that evolution of MONEYwill enter a NWO of banksters only existing in ID CHIPS. Only then the Capitalist system be able to do away with paper and coin and give it more shefl life.The global PEAK OIL, FOOD SHORTAGES and never ending price rises.Technology outstripping the need for cheap labour,etc let alone, mass labour in the world. THE CANCER remains. MONEY / LABOUR, These things are so unbalanced now, that we will all be forced to BE EGYPTIANS, or die
@crazycatlady667 The NWO we know is already here on the Banksters terms, The IMF a world bank chip money and debt etc. There is no such thing asa END to anything. Human evolution seems slow at times,
but as we see in the industrial ages things change human experience and behaviour in historicaly short periods now due to technology etc. They have the world they think how they want it to be, But the consumer is dying and starved of funds to keep the system going. It is the beggining not the end,
@nbm34 O.K., thanks for that... maybe "end game" was a poor choice of words or should have been in quotes. What I meant was that the term NWO is just a distraction for the "real intention". And by "real intention" I am referring to high ranking Banksters such as the IMF, the World Bank etc. etc. I did not mean to sound apocalyptic if that's what you thought. My question was mainly, do you think the NWO is a patsy term? Another step in the all too mentioned Hegelian Dialectic? :O
@crazycatlady667 Hi I think we need to understand the mindset of the rulers past and present. On this matterDEMOCRACY, FREE ELECTIONS, HUMAN RIGHTS. Are patsy terminology, So if I am trying to think like you on this, NWO. This also is a PATSY way they use popular imagery to hide, behind the the way they actualy run the world. They try to present themselves as professionals and that they serve the common peoples will etc. For example PEOPLES TRIBUNES of Rome.These offices did not reps the peeps.
@nbm34 * (sigh) I know I'm probably going to regret this but... what makes you think that the Venus Project or Zeitgeist Movement is not just another one of those "terms" masquerading as the "will of the common people". It's a fair question. You can pm if you want if the character limitation is too restricting.
@crazycatlady667 I fear your sigh may be substantiated as I have posted a responce as you requested as limitations on these frames are not good for serious debate. ZM / VP are not masquerading AS THE WILL OF ANYTHING. I have spent a long time in study on this movement. They are what they are. A movement in orbit were people come to them by attraction of ITS SCIENCE. I have never seen or heard any point of reference that claims by them they represent the peoples WILL. THE PEOPLES EDUCATION yes
@valhala56 This is correct, the VP movement is not a cult, because it does not offer salvation in the religous
context. It is a matter or pure science. We know that machines could be upgraded to literaly to produce all human needs, in a infrastructure designed for such a purpose. This is nothing to do with religion it is a
enginerring product, to serve mankind which has never been feasable until this age.I also am at an age were there is no salvation for me. THIS IS FOR OUR GRANDCHILDREN.
He is running a cult. Go hangout at his chat network, and ask some critical questions. See what happens. I once totally believed in this guy and laughed the 'cult' label but this guy fits it.
hagbard72 1 month ago
What about there winged monkeys flagging videos that simply disagree with them, sounds cultish to me, and there plan does sound like a hideous control mechanism.
therhythmicmenace 6 months ago
I have watched a lot of stefbot's videos, I can see no evidence of a cult. Unless you want to say thinking for yourself and offering advice on very important topics, that the main stream won't even touch, is a cult.
milpool21 7 months ago
Wow, that was big of this fellow to step out and speak on Zeit and Venus as not being a cult. Even though the title would have you believe otherwise, which is the only thing I can say about this video that is less than decent. Could have been titled, "TVP/TZM in not a cult" even so, I'm still impressed.
Well done sir. How very wonderfully human of you.
FreeMeFromG 1 year ago
Do not allow the detractors and mudslingers to bog down the process of change and evolution.
The folks throwing around terms like 'cult' and hacking Venus Project websites, etc., are definitely in fear of what these ideas/projects represent.
Ignore them. Focus on where we can go vs. those too afraid to go anywhere different than the hell we have now.
daggles6 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Excellent. Seems that Stef has changed his opinion considerably after the Computer Communism video.
SomethingSea1 1 year ago
Well I'm glad to see Stefan talking sense on the RBE. Since I am Atheist I recognize that doesn't make one immune to cults. Is a good idea a Cult?Does the Venus Project offer me Salvation? Well since I'm 54 I will probaly never live to see the vision fully realized. I am interested in the RBE/Venus project for the sake of my Grandchilderen & I don't want to see the Human Experiment go down the shitter.
Capitalism is on Life support, When it dies there needs to be a transition for Humanity.
valhala56 1 year ago 2
I like Stef.
Neanderthalcouzin 1 year ago
From the Wiki: The word cult pejoratively refers to a group whose beliefs or practices are considered strange.[1] The word originally denoted a system of ritual practices. The narrower, derogatory sense of the word is a product of the 20th century, especially since the 1980s, and is considered subjective. It is also a result of the anti-cult movement which uses the word in reference to groups seen as authoritarian, exploitative and that are believed to use dangerous rituals or mind control.
valhala56 1 year ago
@valhala56 One definition is *an organized group people, religious or not, with whom you disagree*
This places all opposing political, corporate, intellectual, ethnic, etc groups in that box.
Neanderthalcouzin 1 year ago
@Neanderthalcouzin Well I snagged that from the Wiki, I am trying to precisely define what is a cult. Personaly I don't want to be involved in a cult. I took the top part from Wiki there is a lot more to define what is a cult.
Also I think Cults promise some sort of Salvation. Well since Building entire cities may take decades it will probaly never benefit me personaly. Thus no Salvation for me.
I'm glad Stefan put his 2 cents in saying the RBE is not a Cult.
valhala56 1 year ago
This is a reasonable presentation of the right for the VENUS PROJECT to be presented without the need to beliittle the intelligence of people who support the philosohphy and the scientific and economic arguments, of the VENUS / ZEITGUIST movement throughout the world. Those who abuse us have narrow
minds and blinkered thinking. They are the mindsets of people who believe that LABOUR & MONEY are
fixed like the stars in heaven..THE PERFECT ECONOMIC STORM to come may make them think otherwise.
nbm34 1 year ago
@nbm34 Very true, they are so invested in the old paradigm that as Peter Joseph says they become Beligerent when confronted with the transition to an RBE. Even people who the Capitalistic Market System has failed for them have a diffucut time accepting that the time has come to transition to a new type of System.
A lot of Pain will have to come before the Mass's look for a way out of their condition.
valhala56 1 year ago
@valhala56 This is so . Not to see that evolution of MONEYwill enter a NWO of banksters only existing in ID CHIPS. Only then the Capitalist system be able to do away with paper and coin and give it more shefl life.The global PEAK OIL, FOOD SHORTAGES and never ending price rises.Technology outstripping the need for cheap labour,etc let alone, mass labour in the world. THE CANCER remains. MONEY / LABOUR, These things are so unbalanced now, that we will all be forced to BE EGYPTIANS, or die
nbm34 1 year ago
@nbm34 Did you ever stop and wonder if maybe the NWO is a patsy term for the real end game?
crazycatlady667 1 year ago
@crazycatlady667 The NWO we know is already here on the Banksters terms, The IMF a world bank chip money and debt etc. There is no such thing asa END to anything. Human evolution seems slow at times,
but as we see in the industrial ages things change human experience and behaviour in historicaly short periods now due to technology etc. They have the world they think how they want it to be, But the consumer is dying and starved of funds to keep the system going. It is the beggining not the end,
nbm34 1 year ago
@nbm34 O.K., thanks for that... maybe "end game" was a poor choice of words or should have been in quotes. What I meant was that the term NWO is just a distraction for the "real intention". And by "real intention" I am referring to high ranking Banksters such as the IMF, the World Bank etc. etc. I did not mean to sound apocalyptic if that's what you thought. My question was mainly, do you think the NWO is a patsy term? Another step in the all too mentioned Hegelian Dialectic? :O
crazycatlady667 1 year ago
@crazycatlady667 Hi I think we need to understand the mindset of the rulers past and present. On this matterDEMOCRACY, FREE ELECTIONS, HUMAN RIGHTS. Are patsy terminology, So if I am trying to think like you on this, NWO. This also is a PATSY way they use popular imagery to hide, behind the the way they actualy run the world. They try to present themselves as professionals and that they serve the common peoples will etc. For example PEOPLES TRIBUNES of Rome.These offices did not reps the peeps.
nbm34 1 year ago
@nbm34 * (sigh) I know I'm probably going to regret this but... what makes you think that the Venus Project or Zeitgeist Movement is not just another one of those "terms" masquerading as the "will of the common people". It's a fair question. You can pm if you want if the character limitation is too restricting.
crazycatlady667 1 year ago
@crazycatlady667 I fear your sigh may be substantiated as I have posted a responce as you requested as limitations on these frames are not good for serious debate. ZM / VP are not masquerading AS THE WILL OF ANYTHING. I have spent a long time in study on this movement. They are what they are. A movement in orbit were people come to them by attraction of ITS SCIENCE. I have never seen or heard any point of reference that claims by them they represent the peoples WILL. THE PEOPLES EDUCATION yes
nbm34 1 year ago
@valhala56 This is correct, the VP movement is not a cult, because it does not offer salvation in the religous
context. It is a matter or pure science. We know that machines could be upgraded to literaly to produce all human needs, in a infrastructure designed for such a purpose. This is nothing to do with religion it is a
enginerring product, to serve mankind which has never been feasable until this age.I also am at an age were there is no salvation for me. THIS IS FOR OUR GRANDCHILDREN.
nbm34 1 year ago