This great APOSTASY is predicted in the Bible and must happen before the end of this wicked age will come. See: 2TH 2:1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed.. 3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.
Epstein and Hitchens would make a truly powerful force against the out dated beliefs of ALL religions.
To single out islam,when i see these men praying ( as women are not allowed to ) they remind me so much of the borg.A pointless adventure to assimilate all to a single collective for no apparant reason other than that of a biggoted arsewipe who requires total control
In the developed world humanists are in the majority, we're just called secular. Here is a person who wants to organise those people so we have a voice to promote science and reason. Emotional co-operation feels good pre-dates all the current religions and is found in other higher species too.
You seem to have missed the part of my message where I talked about spiritualist bullshit. Oh wait, you didn't miss it, you wilfully ignored it.
I just took it for granted that people would assume from that that I don't buy into any spiritual/religious garbage, but you're the sort of person who needs things spelled out letter by letter, hm?
In addition to wanting to get away from preaching fucknuts like epstein (who is still a rabbi btw), I also don't buy into any supernatural crap. Happy now?
@region1111 The fact is that science does not yet explain all phenomenon. This is probably due to the 800 years of technological suppression we experienced at the hands of absolutist religions. But that doesn't change the fact that there are things we can't scientifically explain (yet). Religion is the attempt to allegorically understand these things. The problem is that people have taken them entirely too literally.
@region1111 The fact is that science does not yet explain all phenomenon. This is probably due to the 800 years of technological suppression we experienced at the hands of absolutist religions. But that doesn't change the fact that there are things we can't scientifically explain (yet). Religion is the attempt to allegorically understand these things. The problem is that people have taken them entirely too literally.
@region1111 They take an us/them approach to humanity because of that belief, and it has caused nothing but strife. You are doing the same thing, but you're on the other side. All you're doing by taking an us/them stance, is strengthening their resolve, and intensifying the conflict. YOU are just as much a part of the problem as they are. Shame on you.
I'm highly allergic to any kind of religion, yet Epstein didnot make my brain sneeze.
He seems to be a bit touchy-feely perhaps, but his claims seem to be based on evidence. Humans are indeed social creatures, that indeed feel better in the company of others. Belonging is a powerful psychological drive.
There was nothing supernatural in this presentation, but perhaps I missed it. Perhaps you could point to the exact moments so it can be further discussed.
On the beyond belief 2 DVDs I think I remember him talking about how he's an atheist but still thinks the universe has some sort of spiritual (ie. supernatural) component.
Also, he wants atheists to form a preachy (not a scientific) congregation and meet up on sundays. That fulfill his own needs, not other people's.
I don't care for that sort of bullshit.
He wants to whine and be validated in front of a large group (this was a guy who was in a rock band only a few years ago).
I only watched this presentation here though (and a select few others on youtube) Haven't touched any DVDs of his (Like you, I'm more of an individual-individual, hehe)
The way I understood his point is that he wants to offer the possibility of community (such as on sunday), without the burden of religion attached to it. A bit like a club, for everyone.
It's not something you're supposed to go to, I think. But you can. Like I said, people like to belong somewhere, so it might be an incentive.
But like I said, I've only watched these snapshots, so to me it just seems like some community time on which to discuss ethics / the future of the human species / contemporary science.
Just a community to which you can 'belong' by just being a humanist. (Does make me wonder if he's a secular humanist now though)
Humanism alone isn't enough, it needs to be secular humanism ;) But under secular humanism, I see no problem in trying to provide community.
@region1111 The fact is that science does not yet explain all phenomenon. This is probably due to the 800 years of technological suppression we experienced at the hands of absolutist religions. But that doesn't change the fact that there are things we can't scientifically explain (yet). Religion is the attempt to allegorically understand these things. The problem is that people have taken them entirely too literally.
@region1111 check out a book titled "straw dogs" by john gray. he talks about humanism and how it is like religion, instead of putting their faith in a god, they put their faith in progress.
@region1111 no. not at all. this john gray is a philosopher. he has some very negative things to say about humanism and its self delusion in the belief of progerss.
You're the jerk. Epstein is an atheist, he doesn't talk like a religious person, he just doesn't talk like the nasty stereotype of an atheist either. He calls himself a chaplain because he is: the Humanist Chaplaincy at Harvard is older than he is, a long-respected position at a great university.
My guess is your feeling stems from willful ignorance and prejudice against religious folk.
And we don't become atheists by choice; we just realize at some point we already are. I suspect you're not.
I just used this video as part of my summer homework on my belief system for my chaplaincy program. Thanks, Greg, for putting the argument for good without god out there simply and directly!
Thank you for posting this, UntamedAxeRage.
writersblock26 8 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
This great APOSTASY is predicted in the Bible and must happen before the end of this wicked age will come. See: 2TH 2:1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed.. 3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.
filchedworld 2 years ago
Epstein and Hitchens would make a truly powerful force against the out dated beliefs of ALL religions.
To single out islam,when i see these men praying ( as women are not allowed to ) they remind me so much of the borg.A pointless adventure to assimilate all to a single collective for no apparant reason other than that of a biggoted arsewipe who requires total control
naybobdenod 2 years ago
In the developed world humanists are in the majority, we're just called secular. Here is a person who wants to organise those people so we have a voice to promote science and reason. Emotional co-operation feels good pre-dates all the current religions and is found in other higher species too.
ohgreatwiseone 2 years ago
Religion= HATE
anthony6905 2 years ago
This preachy jerk calls himself an atheist but still talks like a religious person. He even calls himself a "chaplain".
Why do I have a feeling he tries to sneak some sort of bullshit spiritualism in the back door?
I became an atheist to get away from people like this.
region1111 2 years ago
Definitionally, atheism is a conclusion that no gods exist based on a lack of any compelling evidence in support of that assertion.
To treat atheism as an exercise in petty tribalism is to reduce it to the level of any other religion.
If you "became an atheist" to get away from certain types of people, I would argue that you did it for the wrong reasons.
UntamedAxeRage 2 years ago
You seem to have missed the part of my message where I talked about spiritualist bullshit. Oh wait, you didn't miss it, you wilfully ignored it.
I just took it for granted that people would assume from that that I don't buy into any spiritual/religious garbage, but you're the sort of person who needs things spelled out letter by letter, hm?
In addition to wanting to get away from preaching fucknuts like epstein (who is still a rabbi btw), I also don't buy into any supernatural crap. Happy now?
region1111 2 years ago
Gosh, where on earth do people get that "angry atheist" stereotype from?
UntamedAxeRage 2 years ago
Changing the subject, mhm?
region1111 2 years ago
No, giving up entirely. I've dealt with enough people like you to recognize when rational argumentation is futile.
UntamedAxeRage 2 years ago
You lost the argument and you're trying to weasel your way out of looking even worse.
region1111 2 years ago
@region1111 The fact is that science does not yet explain all phenomenon. This is probably due to the 800 years of technological suppression we experienced at the hands of absolutist religions. But that doesn't change the fact that there are things we can't scientifically explain (yet). Religion is the attempt to allegorically understand these things. The problem is that people have taken them entirely too literally.
moseslovesk 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@region1111 The fact is that science does not yet explain all phenomenon. This is probably due to the 800 years of technological suppression we experienced at the hands of absolutist religions. But that doesn't change the fact that there are things we can't scientifically explain (yet). Religion is the attempt to allegorically understand these things. The problem is that people have taken them entirely too literally.
moseslovesk 1 year ago
@region1111 They take an us/them approach to humanity because of that belief, and it has caused nothing but strife. You are doing the same thing, but you're on the other side. All you're doing by taking an us/them stance, is strengthening their resolve, and intensifying the conflict. YOU are just as much a part of the problem as they are. Shame on you.
moseslovesk 1 year ago
I'm highly allergic to any kind of religion, yet Epstein didnot make my brain sneeze.
He seems to be a bit touchy-feely perhaps, but his claims seem to be based on evidence. Humans are indeed social creatures, that indeed feel better in the company of others. Belonging is a powerful psychological drive.
There was nothing supernatural in this presentation, but perhaps I missed it. Perhaps you could point to the exact moments so it can be further discussed.
Nerusai 2 years ago
Nerusai:
On the beyond belief 2 DVDs I think I remember him talking about how he's an atheist but still thinks the universe has some sort of spiritual (ie. supernatural) component.
Also, he wants atheists to form a preachy (not a scientific) congregation and meet up on sundays. That fulfill his own needs, not other people's.
I don't care for that sort of bullshit.
He wants to whine and be validated in front of a large group (this was a guy who was in a rock band only a few years ago).
region1111 2 years ago
I only watched this presentation here though (and a select few others on youtube) Haven't touched any DVDs of his (Like you, I'm more of an individual-individual, hehe)
The way I understood his point is that he wants to offer the possibility of community (such as on sunday), without the burden of religion attached to it. A bit like a club, for everyone.
It's not something you're supposed to go to, I think. But you can. Like I said, people like to belong somewhere, so it might be an incentive.
Nerusai 2 years ago
But like I said, I've only watched these snapshots, so to me it just seems like some community time on which to discuss ethics / the future of the human species / contemporary science.
Just a community to which you can 'belong' by just being a humanist. (Does make me wonder if he's a secular humanist now though)
Humanism alone isn't enough, it needs to be secular humanism ;) But under secular humanism, I see no problem in trying to provide community.
Nerusai 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@region1111 The fact is that science does not yet explain all phenomenon. This is probably due to the 800 years of technological suppression we experienced at the hands of absolutist religions. But that doesn't change the fact that there are things we can't scientifically explain (yet). Religion is the attempt to allegorically understand these things. The problem is that people have taken them entirely too literally.
moseslovesk 1 year ago
@region1111 check out a book titled "straw dogs" by john gray. he talks about humanism and how it is like religion, instead of putting their faith in a god, they put their faith in progress.
rev2376 1 year ago
@rev2376 is that the same john gray that wrote "men are from mars, women are from venus"?
region1111 1 year ago
@region1111 no. not at all. this john gray is a philosopher. he has some very negative things to say about humanism and its self delusion in the belief of progerss.
rev2376 1 year ago
You're the jerk. Epstein is an atheist, he doesn't talk like a religious person, he just doesn't talk like the nasty stereotype of an atheist either. He calls himself a chaplain because he is: the Humanist Chaplaincy at Harvard is older than he is, a long-respected position at a great university.
My guess is your feeling stems from willful ignorance and prejudice against religious folk.
And we don't become atheists by choice; we just realize at some point we already are. I suspect you're not.
billhainesnet 1 month ago
this man is lost
eagley2j 2 years ago
father epstein, where do i confess? to my shrink?
nastassja08 2 years ago
father epstein, do you also offer communion services?
nastassja08 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
By saying this Earth is billions of years old, this man totally discredits himself. Besides, God is the Creator of the Universe.
truthforamerica 2 years ago
are you being ironic or idiotic?
ReverandCiderMan 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
walk on. you are a oxymoron because God is love. to be human is to love.
You are then called a spiritualist.
I am spiritual.
I believe love is God God is love.
peace,
candy
mermaidcandy 2 years ago
"I am a moron born without the gift of logic"
Poetry is not a substitute for sound argument.
anthonzi 2 years ago
I just used this video as part of my summer homework on my belief system for my chaplaincy program. Thanks, Greg, for putting the argument for good without god out there simply and directly!
pastrytroll 2 years ago
great podcast interview with Greg google:
Speaking of faith Exploring a New Humanism
qaplatlhinganmaH 2 years ago
interesting. i really like the idea, i just hope it is not a scam for money organization.
nkosmach 2 years ago
He is very smart.
AdamDeLaMer 2 years ago
this guy is cute and smart....mmmmm!
scopus83 3 years ago 2
@scopus83 Hahaha! I agree (and I say that as a straight man).
writersblock26 8 months ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
this guy is annoying
emulator900 3 years ago