you seem to be a bike expert. so ill ask you. i am having trouble with turning at highspeeds and low angles, and its going to get me one day.
i cant enter a corner at a high speed. and by high i dont mean extreme , just normal traffic speeds. i have to slow riiiiiight down. when i go into the corner it feels like im going to understeer and go really wide into oncomming traffic, or offroad, so instead of turning or leaning down i slam on the breaks which makes the situation even worse. what do?
@panamera I'm no expert panamera. From what you describe there could be multiple reasons: For example: you may not be looking through the turn far enough. The confidence to carry hgher crner spds comes w/ALOT of seat time. You're suspension settings could be off, You might not be counter steering...if you have not read up on counter steering, do it...it will help a great deal. Body position could be off, if thats the case you could be preventin the bike frm "fallin" into the corner.
@panamera CONTINUED....sorry for the shortened words..ran out of reply space. The best option would be to sign up for one of you're local track days. This will allow you to ride with instructors that could point of any bad habits that might be forming..we all do it ;) Hope this helps
I've gotten about 3mm of chicken strips on the rear (the front is newer so need to get that down gradually first) but although I'm hanging off and going about 65 instead of 50 around this one specific corner I can never drag knee and can never enter the corner faster... Help
Let dragging knee be a "result not a goal" is great advice another rider has given people. Dragging knee with come with proper form/corner speed/lines. If you want to practice, practice at a track day or at the mininum a parking lot so you don't hurt yourself or others. Pictures/videos will help yourself improve your form.
will low tyre preshure make it better they stick more as they heat up more ! i cant do this but will try after i seen this ,but will it make conering speed higher , i need a track day .
I'm 5 foot 6 inches tall riding a 2010 R6, getting my knee down is not easy but at the right speed and right line it's a piece of cake... biggest hurtle is the mental confidence.... roundabouts are a good place to practice when there is no cars, or a parking tarmac with out the white lines is also good... warm tires are a must, proper body position is also a must... engine sliders are very recommended in case of running out of tire and lowsiding.
For all you guys who want to learn how to drag your knee, it really is very simple! Find a very open space that would be suitable, get up to a reasonable pace in a high gear, you want to keep the revs low for now so its less responsive, start with half your butt off seat, now what most people get wrong is the upper part of there body, you need to have your upper body over the front wheel! So lean your top half off to the side of the bike :) You want your head pretty much along side the screen
@TheGambinoKid If you go and do a trackday, no doubt if you do everything here then you will easily touch your knee :) Make sure your tyres are warm and if your struggling to touch it, just go a little faster, gradually you will do it :)
i find the knee down aint that hard part its getting the line right at the same time, tho i find i go faster round a corner when i get back on the bike by jus a little and im not tryin to get the knee down, but tbf its bout what feels comfortable 2 the rider :)
Ok, so I have been riding for about 10 years and I can get low, but never really bothered to really learn how to drag knee. I want to be able to do that, and I have no fear of personal injury, but I have a brand new BMW S1000RR that I am just horrified of wrecking. My question is how do you get the courage up to finally put that knee down?
work on kissing that elbow and you'll be golden... being crossed up isn't proper form. :D keep the practice up and you'll be owning the track/twisties soon enough!
Thanks for the video mate. !! Watched your video for weeks and MCN's video. Took me three weeks [2-3times/week] to get the nerve to do it. First time my knee touched I though I've scraped the pegs. Manage to do the right side as well on the same day. For some reason I found leaning the right side much easier.
Thanks again.
FWIW my speed varied from 35-45km/h on third gear.
I am sorry but what is so special about dipping your knee on tarmac. Just go to the racetrack and twist your wrist. That is all you need to do just keep up good speed everything else comes along naturally. (unless you are afraid of speed of course)
I'm at a loss , maybe cause I'm new to riding but these slower knee down vids I see people don't have the head down ?(and alot of faster knee down vids aswell) seems crossed up to me , Is this just cause they are riding slow or is there just a lot of bad riders ?
You're absolutely right. Go form should be practiced all the time. Proper form states to try and "bite your hand" while taking a turn. Though given these slower turns you're not going to hurt anything by not getting your head a low as it can go.
@HecticAussie its more he is hanging off the bike like a monkey which in return is not doing anything for the reason to drag ur knee...purpose of dragging ur knee is a gauge on how much lean angle u have left - its a by product of corner speed, lean angle and proper body position...this guy here would be the one in our class who say I want to drag a knee on my first track day - thats not the point of going to the track -
I found a beautiful blacktop parking lot at a park with no paint. I knee dragged without a problem LOL. Didn't realize it was that simple. I don't know how I got scared the first time and let go of my bike. I should definitely consider buying knee pads, because I ripped another pair of jeans haha.
knee dragging is so addicting, comming out of the corner its hard to straighten back up to get off the knee... atleast for me. Good Job with your video.
I tried doing the counter clockwise turn that you show in this video. I consistently got 2 inches from touching down but the last 2 inches are the scariest 2 inches of my life. I finally managed to touch down after getting mad, and I got scared because I literally thought I had lowsided, but to my amazement after I let go, the bike got up on itself and ghost rided for 50 feet before falling onto grass. I got extremely lucky with just a very small scratch. How can I get over this fear of mine?
How did you get yourself to do that at first man? I have the 2009 R6 with Michelin pilot powers and I've been working on some corners at this one country road, but I always think I'm leaning at my max, but I guess I'm terribly mistaken. And now I see you pulling off this stunt! I tried that today and it felt like I was going too slow. At about what speed are you at when you do it? 30 mph? And how did you get yourself to do that for the first time? Weren't you scared of wrecking your bike?
@4Shabani4 I was in 2nd gear with a +3 sprocket so I assume I was between 25-30mph. In order to prevent myself from wrecking, I made many passes to my comfort level and then I'd stop and get off and check where I was on my tires. I noticed that I was using all my Rear tire but not my Front tire. So i kept adjusting my body positioning until I was using most of all the Front tire aswell.
@crashkhanman I appreciate you replying to me. When I am taking a corner, I notice that all I'm pretty much doing is trying to hang off with an ass cheek off the seat and just trying to lean over enough to touch down. Should I actually be using a little counter steering so it makes it easier for lean? And I guess my last question is... Does it really matter what concrete surface you're doing all this just as long as it's smooth and there is no gravel, sand, or anything of that nature?
@4Shabani4 At this point I was confident that the only was holding me back was my Fear of wrecking the bike. So I told myself I'm not going to improve my riding if I hold onto that feeling. Bikes go down...period(just do it in a safe environment like the track). So I just gave it a little more countersteer and bingo!
@4Shabani4 As far as body positioning goes, the front balls of your feet should be on the pegs (not the center of your foot), a butt cheek off the seat, middle of your chest inline with the edge of the gas tank, your head kept low and as close as you can get it to your mirror and looking through the turn, the arm opposite of the way your turning at a 90 degree across the gas tank. Disclosure: i dont claim to be an expert...lol
@4Shabani4 (dont know if this will post twice..) I'd recommend going to the track so someone could work with you in a safe environment on your body positioning as that plays a big role in all of this. For your road conditions, you just need a smooth/warm/debri free/painted line free surface. The Proper way to steer a bike, is to use countersteering all the time (20+mph)
@4Shabani4 you should be steering the bike through the turn with countersteer not trying to pull the bike through with your body positioning/weight (Though that will naturally happen) just dont rely on it.
@crashkhanman well said, it's all about countersteer. It amazes me how many people ride sportbikes and have never heard that term before. I must say I haven't tried it that slow before though. Nice riding.
@4Shabani4 Almost the same exact problem for me. I'm on the obscure country back roads and THINK I'm getting low (almost no 'chicken strips' on the rear tire) but have never gotten my knee down. I just saw today that you have to sit way back on the seat...I've never tried that.
@zxmig That's the easy part. I still don't know how I should be in relation to the seat. I know ass of the seat, but closer to the tank or way back by the rear seat?
@toecutterr6 Round a roundabout (or right hand turn) your right hand bum cheek should be off the seat. At slower speeds i find myself up the front of the seat with my outside knee and arm locked into the tank and my chest just touching the tank whilst pointing my chin towards the vanising point of the bend. You have to get your whole body towards the ground and not just the knee.
@4Shabani4 i found going between 5 and 10mph faster than i was initially comfortable with on a round about helped with getting the knee down. Look throught the corner not at it. Once you've done it you will wonder what all the fuss was about. Good luck
@4Shabani4 If you have the means. Go to some sort of beginner track day class. The first time I planted my knee was at a track day class and it is a real eyeopener. A track-day is the best place to learn what your bike can do in a safe environment.
thats crazy. Im getting a 2007 cbr600rr next month and im not worried about a thing except turning. this video KIND OF takes some of the fright away haha but its still there. nice vid. and well done.
@yungmempho you're suppose to be looking ahead not down, lol. Be aware of whats right in front of you but look where you are wanting to go...If you get the chance to watch it, go buy yourself a copy of "Twist of the Wrist 2" I watched it, and changed all the mistakes I was making and now I ride a lot better and its more comfortable where as before my wrists would hurt and hands fall asleep & I was really wobbly in turns because I'd start to lean and get scared.Have faith in your bike's ability
is a great start!! after you get out on the track you will start finding it is much easier at "speed" There is a great satisfaction to dropping a knee at 100mph plus :) Keep at it!!
i've done the same on my SV, on the edge of the tire its so tricky to me. if you back off the throttle too quickly the front end pushes out a few inches scary!!
Parking lots are the best practice, better than racetracks for knee draggin. Got my knee down constantly at 21 mph in lefthand turns. Righthand is harder due to throttle hand having to countersteer, or my rear wheel is offset to the right and needs to be shimmed. Heat was my biggest problem at 95 F even in jeans with pucks tyrapped to to plastic kneepads. Very exhausting when tensed up learning a news riding position, much harder than any road. Hard to find a parking lot without cops these days.
Yes, after practicing in the parking lots, it gave me enough confidence to get my bike over far enough in the turns to plant my knees. But it didn't give me the best throttle control practice. I would recommend hitting a few track days as that would be more beneficial. I was running the Stock OEM Dunlop Qualifiers that came on my Honda from the factory. 180/55 Rear
Just spent 2 hours going in circles in a parking lot (with permission). Barely got my knee down in 3rd gear @ 29 mph (actual mph is less), 50 foot radius. Bumpy with up and down slope. Cop and private security drove by after a "noise" complaint (factory exhaust at 3000 rpm under 30 mph). Then speedo went blank from low voltage so maybe stator overheated & died (new stator under warantee). Softened bump/rebound 3 clicks, 30 psi hot F/R. No chicken strip on left side. Right turn more difficult.
Nice video! Thanks for the follow up. Watch out on those painted lines tho.. they can be slippery. As for trying it in 3rd..Try 2nd gear to keep your RPMs up. The throttle will be more choppy but thats where smoothness plays a factor. What bike was that?
I'll be practicing in a parking lot today, with permission from the security supervisor, so no worry about the police state. Feels just like a raceday, at 20 mph.
Usually when racer are dragging hard parts they redo their suspension settings as it can/will cause an accident. The rearsets in the above video are aftermarkert Sato Adjustables (12 positions). The bike would definitely lowside before the pegs scraped. Thanks for watching!
pause the video at 1:02 and it will give you a little picture. What works for me when placing left knee down is: Left tip toes on outside of Left peg with Left heal on heal guard. Right tip toes on outside of right peg with right heal on right heal guard.
Every bike I believe comes with heel guards. Its the piece of metal that is next to the frame on both sides of the bike at the base of the foot pegs. They prevents your heel of your foot from getting caught up in the chain and rear suspension parts.
Knee down on the street is a bit too dangerous. Knee down requires you to carry certain speed, oftentimes too fast for the road. I'm not saying it can't be done safely. But don't be a squid and be a courteous rider - and try not to hurt other people on the road :)
I have and it resulted in me riding over confidently and crashing...this riding should only be down on the track regardless of how good you are... Too many variables to account for. Good luck!
nice man, is that not the best feeling in the world? left is easier for me too, which i think is because of my skateboard background. i skate regular as opposed to goofy (left foot forward) the track /class is such a good idea. i could drag knee way before i took a race class, but i learned so many things that i wouldnt have ever thought of before and i know have come in handy in some hairy situations!
try going to a track so you'll have a wider view of the surroundings. it'll help boost your confidence. the plus is that you'll get to slip either way (right/left) and more people to help w/ leading or following you. awesome bike!
The purpose of hanging off the bike is so that you don't need to lean the bike as much through a turn, or conversely, so that you can make a faster turn at the same lean angle.
hi i'm a gud rider ,but i cant drag like you,notice is very important wear a properly knee protector,i guess i have to star buyin the expensive outfit right? if i want to keep my knees lol!!
I did that in the parking lot today, and i touched down, but my foot pedal was also scraping..... so i dont know if it was too much lean or because my bike is lowered... any opinions on this would be appreciated
Congrats on the touchdown, if hard parts are scraping then there's something not right. I'm no expert but Things to consider would be: 1) Is all your suspension adjusted properly for your weight and height? 2) Is your Upper & Lower body leaning off the bike enough with your tip toes on the pegs? 3) With the bike being lower its very possible that you'll need to use a set of adjustable rearsets at a higher position for more clearance.
The rider filming me was my mentor in getting me this far. I need to get out to a guided track day where I can have a true professional critique my riding style :)
still after a month I love watching this video! I had a slight fall 2 weeks ago in a roundabout due to salt and cold tires. I just upgraded to the michelin pilot power 2CT's! and about to have a 520 chain and sprocket conversion. These tires give me alot more confidence and im ready to try this. what gear and speed should I learn at in this circle?
In the circle above I was in 2nd gear w/ a +3 rear sprocket. Your circle could be bigger or smaller than mine so I'm not sure what speed to tell you. I was going between 20 - 30 mph. Few things to be aware of: Throttle control, Body position, and Looking at where you want to go.
^some great advice... i suffered my first wreck a year ago, and it took me forever to get back the confidence to lean. looking into the turn is a big factor, because if you don't you can see the rush of the road and your lean angle is a little more apparent to yourself...
After I lowsided my bike I have lost all confidence, it feels like my bike is going to slip out from right under me everytime I take a hard turn and leaning it pretty hard. I'm slowly getting it back though.
i totally can relate. i went down in 07. still working on getting my confidence and form back. every time i get the jitters, i think of ben spies and his wreck a few years ago. he lost half his ass meat and still got back in the saddle to win motogp. keep riding and keep inspiration bro!
That is sick dude, I wanna learn so bad. I still have the stock tires on my 07 GSXR-750 and sprocket, will this work? Also, when you drag a knee are you supporting the bikes weight on your knee or is it grazing the ground? thanks for showing that you dont have to go 130mph to drag like I thought. :)
Thanks man, your stock tires and stock sprocket will handle this too, just make sure they are Not new and warmed up plenty. Doing this in 2nd gear was a LOT easier for me so you might want to keep that in mind. One of the main points in dragging a knee is too take some pressure off of the tires. Depending on your speed for a given turn, your knee could just graze or in the above case it could be completely against the ground. The knee supports the rider's weight.
If you guys want to learn how to drag a knee why dont you just go do a track day. As you get more comfortable you will naturally start going faster and faster. Youll be dragging knees and hard parts in no time... Plus youll have instructors and experienced riders at hand to give you proper advice. You will certainly develop less bad habits.
Definately a good idea to take it to the track, but for some that don't have the money but want to practice things like throttle control/body positioning a private parking lot is the next best thing.... if a rider is dragging hard parts then i would definately seek help through an instructor as its never proper to drag hard parts. If a rider is taking corners on the street to the point where they're touching knee then for safety of themselves and others they Should go to the track.
Unfortunately, I learned that lesson the hard way and my wallet paid for it(thankfully the only thing that paid the price). And to add to what phalid said... When going to the track its about being Smooth not fast...your speed will naturally increase as you learn to be more smooth.
Not necessarily, I was in 2nd so the throttle wasn't as sensitive. I know in 1st it was really diffucult for me to do this. So if you stay in your 1st..then yes its going to be difficult...go up 1 gear and you should be ok.
congrats! my body positin still needs work. lol i been riding since june. and my r6 is my first bike. im gettin pretty close to droping my knee. but im still having trouble putting my head passed the side of the screen
Great job man. I've been practicing trying to drag knee also. I'm almost there I can feel it. Body positioning is the key and I've been working alot on getting that perfected. Keep it up and be safe on 2 wheels.
you seem to be a bike expert. so ill ask you. i am having trouble with turning at highspeeds and low angles, and its going to get me one day.
i cant enter a corner at a high speed. and by high i dont mean extreme , just normal traffic speeds. i have to slow riiiiiight down. when i go into the corner it feels like im going to understeer and go really wide into oncomming traffic, or offroad, so instead of turning or leaning down i slam on the breaks which makes the situation even worse. what do?
panamera 1 month ago
@panamera I'm no expert panamera. From what you describe there could be multiple reasons: For example: you may not be looking through the turn far enough. The confidence to carry hgher crner spds comes w/ALOT of seat time. You're suspension settings could be off, You might not be counter steering...if you have not read up on counter steering, do it...it will help a great deal. Body position could be off, if thats the case you could be preventin the bike frm "fallin" into the corner.
crashkhanman 1 month ago
@panamera CONTINUED....sorry for the shortened words..ran out of reply space. The best option would be to sign up for one of you're local track days. This will allow you to ride with instructors that could point of any bad habits that might be forming..we all do it ;) Hope this helps
crashkhanman 1 month ago
This is like a Nascar...continuous left turn!
oogiemaster 1 month ago
Big balls!!!!!
MaxPayne19146 2 months ago
I've gotten about 3mm of chicken strips on the rear (the front is newer so need to get that down gradually first) but although I'm hanging off and going about 65 instead of 50 around this one specific corner I can never drag knee and can never enter the corner faster... Help
BlackFlag94 3 months ago
@BlackFlag94
Let dragging knee be a "result not a goal" is great advice another rider has given people. Dragging knee with come with proper form/corner speed/lines. If you want to practice, practice at a track day or at the mininum a parking lot so you don't hurt yourself or others. Pictures/videos will help yourself improve your form.
crashkhanman 2 months ago
will low tyre preshure make it better they stick more as they heat up more ! i cant do this but will try after i seen this ,but will it make conering speed higher , i need a track day .
martintaff 3 months ago
I'm 5 foot 6 inches tall riding a 2010 R6, getting my knee down is not easy but at the right speed and right line it's a piece of cake... biggest hurtle is the mental confidence.... roundabouts are a good place to practice when there is no cars, or a parking tarmac with out the white lines is also good... warm tires are a must, proper body position is also a must... engine sliders are very recommended in case of running out of tire and lowsiding.
ZeroBoostBuick 4 months ago
For all you guys who want to learn how to drag your knee, it really is very simple! Find a very open space that would be suitable, get up to a reasonable pace in a high gear, you want to keep the revs low for now so its less responsive, start with half your butt off seat, now what most people get wrong is the upper part of there body, you need to have your upper body over the front wheel! So lean your top half off to the side of the bike :) You want your head pretty much along side the screen
TheGambinoKid 4 months ago
@TheGambinoKid If you go and do a trackday, no doubt if you do everything here then you will easily touch your knee :) Make sure your tyres are warm and if your struggling to touch it, just go a little faster, gradually you will do it :)
TheGambinoKid 4 months ago
i find the knee down aint that hard part its getting the line right at the same time, tho i find i go faster round a corner when i get back on the bike by jus a little and im not tryin to get the knee down, but tbf its bout what feels comfortable 2 the rider :)
adrenalinjunkie1000 6 months ago
Well done, now try at 200 km/h..
2sx4u 6 months ago
im 5'3. and ride an 05 cbr600rr , i think my legs arent long enough to be dragging, shit i
1nuttynu 7 months ago
Draggin knee, cool, ..body position sucks..
Jazzmaster71 7 months ago
Ok, so I have been riding for about 10 years and I can get low, but never really bothered to really learn how to drag knee. I want to be able to do that, and I have no fear of personal injury, but I have a brand new BMW S1000RR that I am just horrified of wrecking. My question is how do you get the courage up to finally put that knee down?
robbydood 7 months ago
the other s1de 1s harder
420League 7 months ago
any yoyo can touch knee hanging that far off the bike bahahahahahahha .. Rossi is inspiring not that :-/
rockygizzo 7 months ago
work on kissing that elbow and you'll be golden... being crossed up isn't proper form. :D keep the practice up and you'll be owning the track/twisties soon enough!
Snipza 8 months ago
Thanks for the video mate. !! Watched your video for weeks and MCN's video. Took me three weeks [2-3times/week] to get the nerve to do it. First time my knee touched I though I've scraped the pegs. Manage to do the right side as well on the same day. For some reason I found leaning the right side much easier.
Thanks again.
FWIW my speed varied from 35-45km/h on third gear.
waepekk 9 months ago
looks good but when i go slow i fill like im going to drop it do you have eney tips
davidcart28 9 months ago
do u also f1nd 1t hardert to do the same ecxerc1se but r1ght hand c1rcles?
420League 9 months ago
nice!
bruceng1 10 months ago
throttle control rules! Read the book Twist of the Wrist.
turbinefuoco 10 months ago
Nice drag, baby!
bronxer78 10 months ago
beautiful!
gottix213 11 months ago
Nice! Stay safe and upright!
SwordOfGlory1 1 year ago
good stuff man congrats on gettin the knee down thats my goal this upcoming year of riding
ztaillie 1 year ago
I am sorry but what is so special about dipping your knee on tarmac. Just go to the racetrack and twist your wrist. That is all you need to do just keep up good speed everything else comes along naturally. (unless you are afraid of speed of course)
pasifsc 1 year ago
Nice - the 1st time is always awesome!
eagledriver101 1 year ago
am i suppose to look at the great speed, or how you manuevere that bike...i just think you look strong and sexi!
mamastears 1 year ago
Try it on a track going faster bring that head down a little
calebwillett 1 year ago
I'm at a loss , maybe cause I'm new to riding but these slower knee down vids I see people don't have the head down ?(and alot of faster knee down vids aswell) seems crossed up to me , Is this just cause they are riding slow or is there just a lot of bad riders ?
HecticAussie 1 year ago
@HecticAussie
You're absolutely right. Go form should be practiced all the time. Proper form states to try and "bite your hand" while taking a turn. Though given these slower turns you're not going to hurt anything by not getting your head a low as it can go.
crashkhanman 1 year ago
@HecticAussie
In this particular video, I should have relaxed my shoulders more allowing my head to come down and off the bike a little more.
crashkhanman 1 year ago
@HecticAussie its more he is hanging off the bike like a monkey which in return is not doing anything for the reason to drag ur knee...purpose of dragging ur knee is a gauge on how much lean angle u have left - its a by product of corner speed, lean angle and proper body position...this guy here would be the one in our class who say I want to drag a knee on my first track day - thats not the point of going to the track -
EmoSurfer1982 1 year ago
dizzy!!
rpower10 1 year ago
wow that was cool
mark3631 1 year ago
Thats pretty freakin cool ll bet that felt good
maximaman380 1 year ago
Sure its possible to get away without putting the knee down at that angle.
crashkhanman 1 year ago
at that angle, is it possible to get away without knee dragging? looks possible..
yourleftnut1 1 year ago
@yourleftnut1
yes but your trajectory will be wider
Anticitizen419 1 year ago
@Anticitizen419 hmmm... how? i wanna know. The lean will be the same so how would it be wider?
yourleftnut1 1 year ago
@yourleftnut1
'coz you'll have less weight transfered to the side of the bike
Anticitizen419 1 year ago
come on stick your elbow out there! youll b fine
jakers419 1 year ago
I found a beautiful blacktop parking lot at a park with no paint. I knee dragged without a problem LOL. Didn't realize it was that simple. I don't know how I got scared the first time and let go of my bike. I should definitely consider buying knee pads, because I ripped another pair of jeans haha.
4Shabani4 1 year ago
knee dragging is so addicting, comming out of the corner its hard to straighten back up to get off the knee... atleast for me. Good Job with your video.
icecoldr1 1 year ago
@icecoldr1 give it gas, it will straighten up.
mooosestang 1 year ago
I tried doing the counter clockwise turn that you show in this video. I consistently got 2 inches from touching down but the last 2 inches are the scariest 2 inches of my life. I finally managed to touch down after getting mad, and I got scared because I literally thought I had lowsided, but to my amazement after I let go, the bike got up on itself and ghost rided for 50 feet before falling onto grass. I got extremely lucky with just a very small scratch. How can I get over this fear of mine?
4Shabani4 1 year ago
How did you get yourself to do that at first man? I have the 2009 R6 with Michelin pilot powers and I've been working on some corners at this one country road, but I always think I'm leaning at my max, but I guess I'm terribly mistaken. And now I see you pulling off this stunt! I tried that today and it felt like I was going too slow. At about what speed are you at when you do it? 30 mph? And how did you get yourself to do that for the first time? Weren't you scared of wrecking your bike?
4Shabani4 1 year ago
@4Shabani4 I was in 2nd gear with a +3 sprocket so I assume I was between 25-30mph. In order to prevent myself from wrecking, I made many passes to my comfort level and then I'd stop and get off and check where I was on my tires. I noticed that I was using all my Rear tire but not my Front tire. So i kept adjusting my body positioning until I was using most of all the Front tire aswell.
crashkhanman 1 year ago
@crashkhanman I appreciate you replying to me. When I am taking a corner, I notice that all I'm pretty much doing is trying to hang off with an ass cheek off the seat and just trying to lean over enough to touch down. Should I actually be using a little counter steering so it makes it easier for lean? And I guess my last question is... Does it really matter what concrete surface you're doing all this just as long as it's smooth and there is no gravel, sand, or anything of that nature?
4Shabani4 1 year ago
@4Shabani4 At this point I was confident that the only was holding me back was my Fear of wrecking the bike. So I told myself I'm not going to improve my riding if I hold onto that feeling. Bikes go down...period(just do it in a safe environment like the track). So I just gave it a little more countersteer and bingo!
crashkhanman 1 year ago
@4Shabani4 As far as body positioning goes, the front balls of your feet should be on the pegs (not the center of your foot), a butt cheek off the seat, middle of your chest inline with the edge of the gas tank, your head kept low and as close as you can get it to your mirror and looking through the turn, the arm opposite of the way your turning at a 90 degree across the gas tank. Disclosure: i dont claim to be an expert...lol
crashkhanman 1 year ago
@4Shabani4 (dont know if this will post twice..) I'd recommend going to the track so someone could work with you in a safe environment on your body positioning as that plays a big role in all of this. For your road conditions, you just need a smooth/warm/debri free/painted line free surface. The Proper way to steer a bike, is to use countersteering all the time (20+mph)
crashkhanman 1 year ago
@4Shabani4 you should be steering the bike through the turn with countersteer not trying to pull the bike through with your body positioning/weight (Though that will naturally happen) just dont rely on it.
crashkhanman 1 year ago
@crashkhanman well said, it's all about countersteer. It amazes me how many people ride sportbikes and have never heard that term before. I must say I haven't tried it that slow before though. Nice riding.
Srirachaa 1 year ago
@4Shabani4 Just ride more and ride with supreme confidents and attitude. You'll get it if you have the right set of mind.
YourDopamine 1 year ago
@4Shabani4 Almost the same exact problem for me. I'm on the obscure country back roads and THINK I'm getting low (almost no 'chicken strips' on the rear tire) but have never gotten my knee down. I just saw today that you have to sit way back on the seat...I've never tried that.
toecutterr6 1 year ago
@toecutterr6 outside peg, heel of the foot.
Inside peg, ball of the foot.
zxmig 1 year ago
@zxmig That's the easy part. I still don't know how I should be in relation to the seat. I know ass of the seat, but closer to the tank or way back by the rear seat?
toecutterr6 1 year ago
@toecutterr6 Round a roundabout (or right hand turn) your right hand bum cheek should be off the seat. At slower speeds i find myself up the front of the seat with my outside knee and arm locked into the tank and my chest just touching the tank whilst pointing my chin towards the vanising point of the bend. You have to get your whole body towards the ground and not just the knee.
zxmig 1 year ago
@4Shabani4 i found going between 5 and 10mph faster than i was initially comfortable with on a round about helped with getting the knee down. Look throught the corner not at it. Once you've done it you will wonder what all the fuss was about. Good luck
zxmig 1 year ago
@4Shabani4 If you have the means. Go to some sort of beginner track day class. The first time I planted my knee was at a track day class and it is a real eyeopener. A track-day is the best place to learn what your bike can do in a safe environment.
josephk5132 11 months ago
how fast were you going there bro???
thanks for posting
DemonEyesMo 1 year ago
@DemonEyesMo I'm running a +3 rear sprocket and was in 2nd gear. I assume between 25mph - 35mph
crashkhanman 1 year ago
thats crazy. Im getting a 2007 cbr600rr next month and im not worried about a thing except turning. this video KIND OF takes some of the fright away haha but its still there. nice vid. and well done.
Corndog13jm08 1 year ago
Nicely done
GOBbluthagain 1 year ago
This was your first time? Thats incredible. Great form.
theacuity 1 year ago
how do you make knee down ? :-?:( explain me :(
i will buy Yamaha r125 2009 model and i want to try to make knee down :( explain me ....
boglook 1 year ago
Very nice!.....I'll try that sometime this summer.....Thanks fo sharing.
vnaces44 1 year ago
how fast were you going when dragging your knee? thank you
woodenmanman 1 year ago
I want a bike so bad!
IAmTheRealAsif 2 years ago
@IAmTheRealAsif WHY
aeroliner750 2 years ago
@aeroliner750
lol its fun. I had a great time just screwing around on a dirtbike. Always have like bikes though...
IAmTheRealAsif 2 years ago
great!
mianto75 2 years ago
thats wicked dude. i can drag my knee easy at about 30 + mph. i still get scared though if i look down. lmao. road just looks so close
yungmempho 2 years ago 7
@yungmempho the further you are from the ground, the further you have to fall lol
btekvtec 1 year ago
@yungmempho fuck that , theres no way im doing that with my bike , I payed 8700 dollars. GSXR 750 2008 with akrapovic exhaust all black , carbon.
well maybe I might if I get my frame sliders =))) CANT WAIT TILL SUMMER CANADA SUCKS
EVILAKUMA 1 year ago
@yungmempho you're suppose to be looking ahead not down, lol. Be aware of whats right in front of you but look where you are wanting to go...If you get the chance to watch it, go buy yourself a copy of "Twist of the Wrist 2" I watched it, and changed all the mistakes I was making and now I ride a lot better and its more comfortable where as before my wrists would hurt and hands fall asleep & I was really wobbly in turns because I'd start to lean and get scared.Have faith in your bike's ability
Shift2xlr8 8 months ago
top job!! Have you been riding for long??
jazz22009 2 years ago 2
Great stuff man, very inspiring. Im in the process of planting my knee down too, Ill get there......
descern1 2 years ago 4
Grats man. Welcome to the club.
1zeppfan 2 years ago
I think it's harder at slow speed.
I practice on a hill road
PedtheFox 2 years ago
is a great start!! after you get out on the track you will start finding it is much easier at "speed" There is a great satisfaction to dropping a knee at 100mph plus :) Keep at it!!
randalljames1 2 years ago
@randalljames1 your vids are awesome!!! excellent riding man.
se7en154 2 years ago
i've done the same on my SV, on the edge of the tire its so tricky to me. if you back off the throttle too quickly the front end pushes out a few inches scary!!
HAIONSTRESS 2 years ago
nice bike... i have the same one.
Cantfigureoutauserid 2 years ago
u a whole hater
nevetsx 2 years ago
kudos to u..i cant even lean my bike half as close
nevetsx 2 years ago
Parking lots are the best practice, better than racetracks for knee draggin. Got my knee down constantly at 21 mph in lefthand turns. Righthand is harder due to throttle hand having to countersteer, or my rear wheel is offset to the right and needs to be shimmed. Heat was my biggest problem at 95 F even in jeans with pucks tyrapped to to plastic kneepads. Very exhausting when tensed up learning a news riding position, much harder than any road. Hard to find a parking lot without cops these days.
operationnorthwoodz 2 years ago
made me nervous just watching...ive had my bike over but not like that
darksoldier300 2 years ago
Wow, good vid for the noob, and +1 on the suit have the same one. Dainese T-Age right?
segiterrus 2 years ago
WOW.
I have to say man, after having instructing track days for almost 2 years know, you are the best first time knee dragger I have ever seen by far.
PERFECT body position. Keep it up, and take it to the track =)
Humperdink18 2 years ago
thanks
i have to pratice more time
i´m scared to crash mi bike
have safe turns and long straight lines
vegetar6 2 years ago
hello
tell me something
after you practice on the parking lot
did you manage to do turns draging your knee down?
what tyres do you have
thank´s
vegetar6 2 years ago
Yes, after practicing in the parking lots, it gave me enough confidence to get my bike over far enough in the turns to plant my knees. But it didn't give me the best throttle control practice. I would recommend hitting a few track days as that would be more beneficial. I was running the Stock OEM Dunlop Qualifiers that came on my Honda from the factory. 180/55 Rear
crashkhanman 2 years ago
Just spent 2 hours going in circles in a parking lot (with permission). Barely got my knee down in 3rd gear @ 29 mph (actual mph is less), 50 foot radius. Bumpy with up and down slope. Cop and private security drove by after a "noise" complaint (factory exhaust at 3000 rpm under 30 mph). Then speedo went blank from low voltage so maybe stator overheated & died (new stator under warantee). Softened bump/rebound 3 clicks, 30 psi hot F/R. No chicken strip on left side. Right turn more difficult.
operationnorthwoodz 2 years ago
Nice video! Thanks for the follow up. Watch out on those painted lines tho.. they can be slippery. As for trying it in 3rd..Try 2nd gear to keep your RPMs up. The throttle will be more choppy but thats where smoothness plays a factor. What bike was that?
crashkhanman 2 years ago
I'll be practicing in a parking lot today, with permission from the security supervisor, so no worry about the police state. Feels just like a raceday, at 20 mph.
operationnorthwoodz 2 years ago
Good luck and hope all goes well!!
crashkhanman 2 years ago
You might have already answered this, but how fast were you going?
bucks1605 2 years ago
Between 20 - 30mphs. When I reduced throttle to make the circles tighter probably around 20mph. The first part of the first circle closer to 30mph.
crashkhanman 2 years ago
Usually when racer are dragging hard parts they redo their suspension settings as it can/will cause an accident. The rearsets in the above video are aftermarkert Sato Adjustables (12 positions). The bike would definitely lowside before the pegs scraped. Thanks for watching!
crashkhanman 2 years ago
when your left knee is down, where are your feet positioned? like left toe on pegs or pegs in middle of foot? what about the right side?
rush2905 2 years ago
pause the video at 1:02 and it will give you a little picture. What works for me when placing left knee down is: Left tip toes on outside of Left peg with Left heal on heal guard. Right tip toes on outside of right peg with right heal on right heal guard.
crashkhanman 2 years ago
thanks. but i never even heard of a heel guard... i know it sounds pretty straight forward, but what does it do? how much are they?
rush2905 2 years ago
Every bike I believe comes with heel guards. Its the piece of metal that is next to the frame on both sides of the bike at the base of the foot pegs. They prevents your heel of your foot from getting caught up in the chain and rear suspension parts.
crashkhanman 2 years ago
good job..that must have felt great! Have you been able to take that knowledge to the street and get a knee down there?
canadianwebsurfer 2 years ago
Knee down on the street is a bit too dangerous. Knee down requires you to carry certain speed, oftentimes too fast for the road. I'm not saying it can't be done safely. But don't be a squid and be a courteous rider - and try not to hurt other people on the road :)
aimhelix 2 years ago
I have and it resulted in me riding over confidently and crashing...this riding should only be down on the track regardless of how good you are... Too many variables to account for. Good luck!
crashkhanman 2 years ago
Now I wanna see the left knee. good job
SPOOKYDONKEY3030 2 years ago
That is his left knee. Unless your Australian? Weirdos
CBRmasteR6 2 years ago
congrats on nice turning
edwardthy 2 years ago
im jealous... i wish i could put my knee down. i dont have leathers yet but maybe that will change. good job man.
97blueninja 2 years ago
welll done..do figure 8. ty
bisdak510biker 2 years ago
Thanks. Will do when I find an appropriate area to practice in.
crashkhanman 2 years ago
nice man, is that not the best feeling in the world? left is easier for me too, which i think is because of my skateboard background. i skate regular as opposed to goofy (left foot forward) the track /class is such a good idea. i could drag knee way before i took a race class, but i learned so many things that i wouldnt have ever thought of before and i know have come in handy in some hairy situations!
kbkagm 2 years ago
duz a very good idea man. i think ima try dut when i get my pants. fear not! lol. post up more vids pls. t.y n ride hard safely. peace!
texasangel143 2 years ago
omg cool you can turn left!!!111!1! You should join nascar
jackazzhomemade 2 years ago
LOL, good one.
crashkhanman 2 years ago
very nice!! well done!
carbonrrpilot 2 years ago
Dragging knee definately comes with seat time. This is the best way to learn, I did the same thing around an empty parking lot.
sk8boarder12345 2 years ago
try going to a track so you'll have a wider view of the surroundings. it'll help boost your confidence. the plus is that you'll get to slip either way (right/left) and more people to help w/ leading or following you. awesome bike!
omyjism 2 years ago
Why is it that I can lean more than that without using me knees!? BTW i don't have knee draggers to do that with lol
setybarret 2 years ago
The purpose of hanging off the bike is so that you don't need to lean the bike as much through a turn, or conversely, so that you can make a faster turn at the same lean angle.
Weo510 2 years ago 2
are you left handed?
PumaRacing88 2 years ago
Right handed but left hand turns feel more natural to me...lol
crashkhanman 2 years ago
Interesting. I'm left handed and left knee feels more natural, surprise. lol. Anyway, nice vid man.
PumaRacing88 2 years ago
thanks for this video
dimitriosart 2 years ago
hi i'm a gud rider ,but i cant drag like you,notice is very important wear a properly knee protector,i guess i have to star buyin the expensive outfit right? if i want to keep my knees lol!!
RICOMC7000 2 years ago
I did that in the parking lot today, and i touched down, but my foot pedal was also scraping..... so i dont know if it was too much lean or because my bike is lowered... any opinions on this would be appreciated
AceNHobart 2 years ago
Congrats on the touchdown, if hard parts are scraping then there's something not right. I'm no expert but Things to consider would be: 1) Is all your suspension adjusted properly for your weight and height? 2) Is your Upper & Lower body leaning off the bike enough with your tip toes on the pegs? 3) With the bike being lower its very possible that you'll need to use a set of adjustable rearsets at a higher position for more clearance.
crashkhanman 2 years ago
thanks for the tips, i'll get it checked out,
AceNHobart 2 years ago
try putting your toes on the pegs.
zyou8er 2 years ago
did you practice one side until you got it, , or did you alternate sides since the start of your learning?
sick73 2 years ago
I practiced both sides but at the time this video was taken, I was only comfortable to lean that far on my Left side.
crashkhanman 2 years ago
The rider filming me was my mentor in getting me this far. I need to get out to a guided track day where I can have a true professional critique my riding style :)
crashkhanman 2 years ago
still after a month I love watching this video! I had a slight fall 2 weeks ago in a roundabout due to salt and cold tires. I just upgraded to the michelin pilot power 2CT's! and about to have a 520 chain and sprocket conversion. These tires give me alot more confidence and im ready to try this. what gear and speed should I learn at in this circle?
chrisquirk187 2 years ago
In the circle above I was in 2nd gear w/ a +3 rear sprocket. Your circle could be bigger or smaller than mine so I'm not sure what speed to tell you. I was going between 20 - 30 mph. Few things to be aware of: Throttle control, Body position, and Looking at where you want to go.
crashkhanman 2 years ago
^some great advice... i suffered my first wreck a year ago, and it took me forever to get back the confidence to lean. looking into the turn is a big factor, because if you don't you can see the rush of the road and your lean angle is a little more apparent to yourself...
wcutrumpat 2 years ago
After I lowsided my bike I have lost all confidence, it feels like my bike is going to slip out from right under me everytime I take a hard turn and leaning it pretty hard. I'm slowly getting it back though.
joszer 2 years ago
i totally can relate. i went down in 07. still working on getting my confidence and form back. every time i get the jitters, i think of ben spies and his wreck a few years ago. he lost half his ass meat and still got back in the saddle to win motogp. keep riding and keep inspiration bro!
bigghost27 2 years ago
This is pretty cool, i didn't think it was possible either going that slow, but exactly or around abouts how fast are you going while doing this?
lilloo31 2 years ago
I have a +2 rear sprocket and was in 2nd gear. I estimate between 20 - 30 mphs
crashkhanman 2 years ago
cool thanks, im going to have to go give this a try sometime...hopefully it gets warm here soon so i can!
lilloo31 2 years ago
Sorry I meant +3 rear sprocket
crashkhanman 2 years ago
Cool idea.
GrampaCrusty 3 years ago
That is sick dude, I wanna learn so bad. I still have the stock tires on my 07 GSXR-750 and sprocket, will this work? Also, when you drag a knee are you supporting the bikes weight on your knee or is it grazing the ground? thanks for showing that you dont have to go 130mph to drag like I thought. :)
chrisquirk187 3 years ago
Thanks man, your stock tires and stock sprocket will handle this too, just make sure they are Not new and warmed up plenty. Doing this in 2nd gear was a LOT easier for me so you might want to keep that in mind. One of the main points in dragging a knee is too take some pressure off of the tires. Depending on your speed for a given turn, your knee could just graze or in the above case it could be completely against the ground. The knee supports the rider's weight.
crashkhanman 3 years ago
Grats ! 5/5
Oskinvold 3 years ago
Save up some cash for the quality gear at the minumun
crashkhanman 3 years ago
i want a bike !!! i chose to get a miata after my old car broke down.
zYzmrZIzYz 3 years ago
Hell yeah. Miatas are where it's at. Bikes are too, so props. I had to balance out the -1 you had with a thimbs up.
PumaRacing88 2 years ago
maybe some additional info: you need good tires and they need to be warmed up!
greats, nice turns
trippinyayo 3 years ago
If you guys want to learn how to drag a knee why dont you just go do a track day. As you get more comfortable you will naturally start going faster and faster. Youll be dragging knees and hard parts in no time... Plus youll have instructors and experienced riders at hand to give you proper advice. You will certainly develop less bad habits.
phaild 3 years ago
Definately a good idea to take it to the track, but for some that don't have the money but want to practice things like throttle control/body positioning a private parking lot is the next best thing.... if a rider is dragging hard parts then i would definately seek help through an instructor as its never proper to drag hard parts. If a rider is taking corners on the street to the point where they're touching knee then for safety of themselves and others they Should go to the track.
crashkhanman 3 years ago
Unfortunately, I learned that lesson the hard way and my wallet paid for it(thankfully the only thing that paid the price). And to add to what phalid said... When going to the track its about being Smooth not fast...your speed will naturally increase as you learn to be more smooth.
crashkhanman 3 years ago
supermoto!!!!, never paid more than 7euro for a crash! and i fell 6 times this year.
Only maintanance is pricy
trippinyayo 3 years ago
i dont trust my tires that good.
rcpro17 3 years ago
Dude, way to go!! Probably a bit easier with a 4-cyl than a twin, you think? I've got a duc and it's torquey at the bottom.
overheadstorage 3 years ago
Not necessarily, I was in 2nd so the throttle wasn't as sensitive. I know in 1st it was really diffucult for me to do this. So if you stay in your 1st..then yes its going to be difficult...go up 1 gear and you should be ok.
crashkhanman 3 years ago
good job! teach me :-P. im greener than grass lol
atillataz 3 years ago 3
congrats! my body positin still needs work. lol i been riding since june. and my r6 is my first bike. im gettin pretty close to droping my knee. but im still having trouble putting my head passed the side of the screen
dbsshadow 3 years ago
nice !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Suzukimad07 3 years ago
Great job man. I've been practicing trying to drag knee also. I'm almost there I can feel it. Body positioning is the key and I've been working alot on getting that perfected. Keep it up and be safe on 2 wheels.
david4707 3 years ago
how fast were you riding?
celsorsp 3 years ago
2nd gear with a +3 rear sprocket. I'd say about 20 - 25mph. Sorry I can't give an exact but thats a pretty close figure.
crashkhanman 3 years ago
i think u just cost me $500 on sum nice pants
, i gotta try this
johanzimmy 3 years ago
:) "Evil Laugh" ..lol ..definately worth every penny I think. Saved me hide.
crashkhanman 3 years ago
great job, have the same bike will try that one day.
Insatiablebee 3 years ago
he couldnt of said it any better
1Blasphemy 3 years ago
Good form, bro.
apexaddicted 3 years ago
CONGRAT MAN ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡
i never reached, i´m retired and it hurts FOREVER ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡
advise for young riders: COME ON ¡¡¡¡¡
eddiemolmol 3 years ago
The pics turned out really great. I have to try this. It looks totally bad ass in the still pics.
I suppose I'll have to buy some special pants now. Maybe I can get by with my motocross knee pads on the outside of my pants.
curt248 3 years ago
oops, commented on the wrong video.
I gotta get out to the parking lot and do this too. Good job.
bcbudz 3 years ago
LOL, whats the point of the helmet when your not wearing a jacket or pants.
bcbudz 3 years ago
very VERY nice! I have to learn
DFSrlz 3 years ago
good good
britarthc 3 years ago