DianeJoyH, I can assure you that those pumps you are referring to were bought and paid for with private money made from the very land they water!! Farmers and ranchers in this valley create more food and habitat for the wildlife than any of you riverkeepers ever will, without big government involvement.
This video is deceptive and not based on the physical geography and climate of this area that has dried these creeks by summer's end for years. If you are going to make accusations without factual information and research-based evidence, you are falsely blaming families that grow food and have the right to do so. Inflammatory language such as "sucking the river dry" doesn't help create a sense of community with different viewpoints working together. Do you really want to know the truth?
The extreme defensiveness of the previous comments comes from the knowledge that these lethal conditions exist and are in blatant violation of the law. Regardless how how hard ranchers work or who saved a fish a few years back, they are sucking the river dry. Right now. It is a travesty and a crime. We have every right to be outraged and to demand that our laws be enforced.
glouise50, who pays the price for your business? We all do. Who paid for the pumps that now de-water our streams?
Those with documented attempts at assisting fish survival need to speak up. DOCUMENTED: 1) 55 spawning holes were located along Kidder Creek when gravel was removed several years ago (rarely permitted anymore); 2) Hundreds of fingerlings were rescued by farmers and placed in their own ponds when DFG couldn't/wouldn't retrieve them (they said it wasn't their job); 3) Landowners have planted trees and improved habitat, releasing water or ending irrigation when necessary. Get your facts right.
While the dam removal folks put these emotionally charged, not nesacarily accurate videos out there, the sad reality is that if the dams are removed the scenes portriated here will be common on the Klamath. Eliminateing storage and management tools (i.e. dams) won't create more suitable habitate throughout the year it will create less. Mother nature is much harsher in dealing wild life than humans and even agencies.
P.S. Who PAYS you for your work? Are you taking public funds through grants to then turn around and mislead consumers and the public in order to further your own personal, biased and destructive agenda? This is not based on science or research.
I agree with the list posted below. The farmers here are hard-working and voluntarily monitor fish screens and protect wildlife. It's so sad that people like the riverkeepers are determined to post manipulated and misleading information, posing as fact.
1. These creeks are small, dry up, go underground in summer.
2. With increased gravel, fish are trapped by mass of gravel. When it's cleared, spawning areas improve but no one is allowed to clear it. Thanks EPA. Bureaucracy kills.
3. This information intentionally misleading.
4. Industrial Agriculture? These are small farmers.
5. KIDDER Creek - get facts right.
6. Five generations have never seen these creeks move in July or August.
7. These farmers monitor fish screens, help wildlife.
This video does not represent the work done every year and for years by farmers and ranchers. They voluntarily put in fish screens, release water for pools of fish and even recover fish themselves, esp. when no one comes out to monitor them. They protect wildlife more than anyone acknowledges. It is WELL documented that these small creeks dry up every year and have for as long as the valley's been settled. You have misrepresented the facts and this kind of slander will not build bridges.
This is total bullshit!! As mentioned above Scott Valley ranches are small and family owned and this vid is totally misleading.
sugarmamaaa 5 months ago
The tax payers have large investment in these private diversions.
Using federal salmon money and state funds, CDFG built many new diversions with capacity for 10 times their legal water right.
5 generations of water users might be a little biased in their view of when a stream would 'naturally' dry up.
DrPublicTrust 6 months ago
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5thgenerationSV 6 months ago
THis guy needs to get a life
kukid12 6 months ago
DianeJoyH, I can assure you that those pumps you are referring to were bought and paid for with private money made from the very land they water!! Farmers and ranchers in this valley create more food and habitat for the wildlife than any of you riverkeepers ever will, without big government involvement.
TheCageycat 6 months ago 2
This video is deceptive and not based on the physical geography and climate of this area that has dried these creeks by summer's end for years. If you are going to make accusations without factual information and research-based evidence, you are falsely blaming families that grow food and have the right to do so. Inflammatory language such as "sucking the river dry" doesn't help create a sense of community with different viewpoints working together. Do you really want to know the truth?
tmtruthful 6 months ago
The extreme defensiveness of the previous comments comes from the knowledge that these lethal conditions exist and are in blatant violation of the law. Regardless how how hard ranchers work or who saved a fish a few years back, they are sucking the river dry. Right now. It is a travesty and a crime. We have every right to be outraged and to demand that our laws be enforced.
glouise50, who pays the price for your business? We all do. Who paid for the pumps that now de-water our streams?
DianeJoyH 6 months ago
Those with documented attempts at assisting fish survival need to speak up. DOCUMENTED: 1) 55 spawning holes were located along Kidder Creek when gravel was removed several years ago (rarely permitted anymore); 2) Hundreds of fingerlings were rescued by farmers and placed in their own ponds when DFG couldn't/wouldn't retrieve them (they said it wasn't their job); 3) Landowners have planted trees and improved habitat, releasing water or ending irrigation when necessary. Get your facts right.
djotto4 6 months ago
While the dam removal folks put these emotionally charged, not nesacarily accurate videos out there, the sad reality is that if the dams are removed the scenes portriated here will be common on the Klamath. Eliminateing storage and management tools (i.e. dams) won't create more suitable habitate throughout the year it will create less. Mother nature is much harsher in dealing wild life than humans and even agencies.
shastinatom 6 months ago
P.S. Who PAYS you for your work? Are you taking public funds through grants to then turn around and mislead consumers and the public in order to further your own personal, biased and destructive agenda? This is not based on science or research.
glouise50 6 months ago
I agree with the list posted below. The farmers here are hard-working and voluntarily monitor fish screens and protect wildlife. It's so sad that people like the riverkeepers are determined to post manipulated and misleading information, posing as fact.
glouise50 6 months ago
1. These creeks are small, dry up, go underground in summer.
2. With increased gravel, fish are trapped by mass of gravel. When it's cleared, spawning areas improve but no one is allowed to clear it. Thanks EPA. Bureaucracy kills.
3. This information intentionally misleading.
4. Industrial Agriculture? These are small farmers.
5. KIDDER Creek - get facts right.
6. Five generations have never seen these creeks move in July or August.
7. These farmers monitor fish screens, help wildlife.
djotto4 6 months ago 3
This video does not represent the work done every year and for years by farmers and ranchers. They voluntarily put in fish screens, release water for pools of fish and even recover fish themselves, esp. when no one comes out to monitor them. They protect wildlife more than anyone acknowledges. It is WELL documented that these small creeks dry up every year and have for as long as the valley's been settled. You have misrepresented the facts and this kind of slander will not build bridges.
glouise50 6 months ago 2
This is utter BS.... the travesty in this is that some people believe this crap...
parr5061 6 months ago