How can you put the smiths, house martins, james be put into the same category as Paddy Macloon? He writes better lyrics than any of those bands. He is the most modest and self-depricating artist ever. And you can never piegon hole him. Look him up in his interviews - he never takes himself too seriously.
I fondly remember all the women who shared sweet time with me. Thank you with all my heart. Very very romantic song. This was big in the Philippines in the 80s. :)
For me & always the song sings the song however looking at this video on u tube it is obvious at the start that these people are real friends.
The song sings in beautiful melody to anyone with a heart.
Warm inviting , inspiring ,disappointing & aspirational anticipated lyrics with a dream induced harmony.
It is the first time i have heard this song ever. So good i have just bought the album.Thanks You tube & paruomax for allowing me to catch up on my past ,a real gem of a band.
But U2 and Coldplay also performed and created gr8 songs. Don't forget Bono Vox first started his carreer in 1978...and that Chris Martin is from a different time, on a crazy era. Coldplay is a commercial band, but also good, I think. About McAloon's drift away...well, he's not alone. He isn't the only one "forgotten"... So many talented guys from the New Wave days just disppeared...Good old times!
What happened to Paddy McAloon? It's incredible to see someone remembering him after so many years, bringing along fantastic memories...How I used to laugh each time the portuguese national tv showed "King of Rock and Roll" videoclip on one of the Top of The Pop shows!!! Sunday morning, I believe...
How can bands like U2 and Coldplay (!) justify accepting loads of money and accolades for the crap they put out when Paddy McAloon toils in obscurity with more TALENT and creativity and heart than they'll EVER have! If they (and all the other hack bands out there) had any integrity, they'd listen to this song and QUIT!
This is one of those songs that remind you of why you fell in love with music. The man has a voice like Islay malt whisky, he rips the words out of my heart and has a simply beautiful way of delivering the melody. Why can't anyone do it these days???
Well he needs to start off with small audiences and gradually work his way up. This song is very meaningful to me as well but holds no personal meaning other than the line "There was a boy I used to be I guess that he was cold. If she came to buy him now, how cheaply he'd be sold." Brilliant and yet deeply saddening.
Wonderful stuff..emotional and uplifting.Paddy is a true genius...they never got the recognition they deserved.Please tour again Paddy..we love you and miss your talent man.
This is the saddest video they ever made. It feels like their swan song. They'll never be that young, beautiful, and together again. I guess we were blessed to have them for the short time they were together, just like the Beatles.
The Sprouts haven't played live for years. Maybe they never will again as Paddy is too nervous to sing to an audience these days (so he said on the radio last week). New album out 8th September though! Please tour again guys. I miss you!
All of the Sprouts' videos are rather silly, aren't they? No matter -- their work is timeless, and Jordan: The Comeback is the finest album of the past 40 years. This is a superb gem of a song from a great composer. What's not to like?
9th of september 2009 is the supposed date of the new album. Can't wait. I hear their music and I'm back in the day. Now I'm here and they're not I kind of feel they were years ahead of themselves. What a band.
They played the Olympia in Dublin around 2000 (October I think) was the last time. I was at it. I saw Andrea Corr come out of the gig with beau in hand. Great gig. They didn't dissapoint. No Wendy though.
I adore Prefab Sprout! Jordan the Comeback is one of the best albums I have ever heard! I've played it millions of times over and this song I sing at the top of my voice! It's so beautiful, the song, not my voice.
"Fan the embers long enough I'd sometimes catch her flame", "If she came to buy him now, how cheaply he'd be sold", "what used to be the sky, is suddenly embaressing to the naked eye". So beautiiful and poetic :-) x
Mc Caloon est vraiment un mec à part pour ses mélodies. Toujours cette profonde richesse mélancolique, toujours ce truc qui fait mouche. Vivement un nouvel album, ce groupe devient trop rare...
I agree. Very sensitive, I think Paddy's voice is truely unique, so classy, they have their own rich sound. Paddy you are true inspiration to songwriters of today.
When I first heard this I had to buy the cassette for my car. I was visiting friends in Leicester at the time and I saw it in a newsagents of all places. Played it all the way home.
@nigetheonion no matter how much destiny dictates your suppose to be together with the one you truly love reality kicks in and tears it apart because of unforseen or forseen circumstances and thats why sometimes true lovers have to let the stars go free ... absolutely beautiful tune
Paddy is brilliant, the album are all magnificent, my songs are always a lot of course, but here's some: 1-Cars and girls 2-Carnival 2000 3-Mystery of love 4-Nightingales 5-Bonny 6-Whoever you are 7-Starlet nights 8-We let the stars 9-Knock on wood 10-Pearly gates
Brilliant song writer, shame the videos don't really cut it. S'pose the vids dont really matter, but compared to a lot of their contemporaries PS got the short straw when it came to directors. The songs deserved better.
The hairs on the back of my neck are tingling, one of the most beautiful songs ever written and sung like no other, the harmony of Wendy's voice and Paddys could never be matched, Although the Carpenters come close!! but thats another story.
Prefab Sprout was an underated band never getting the credit they fully deserved. I remember the songs growing up were so much better, Prefab, housemartins, James, Deacon Blue, and who can forget the Smiths.
This album, looking for atlantis was brilliant! thanks for the post
Je suis d'accord avec toi frenchjipouille, nos origines plus ou moins latine nous font aimer cette belle chanson, aussi je comprends pourquoi beaucoup de français aiment Préfab! Belle ballade musicale!
Pretty bold statement....Cole Porter.. One of the greats. This is lyrically as good as anything out there. Just beautiful poetry. Wonderful...as good as anything Porter ever did.
dont worry about your english, about the song, its not exactly that paddy wanted the affair to be longer, but that time later, he asks himself what would have happened if he had gone on... I think thats the beauty of what the songs talks about, not even knowing if we took the right or wrong decision, and still wondering... beautiful, isnt it?
was 19 working in a shitty hotel doing double shifts in a one horse town got prefabs tape greatest hits got me through that summer 1991 wow seems like yesterday what an album
If you like prefab buy all there albums tomorrow and get Lewis Taylor aswell, hes in the same league and music of this quality is whats right in life, pay for quality, not crap
Effing brill.brings back loads of memories for me...Neil Conti grooving like a mutha! and being a Gretsch man for years you gotta know hes serious, one of his best drum tracks for me, Dolby production etc stunning, wendy beautiful, bass player bloke rules the band and is understated top man allround kingpin, for me he probably is the superglue of prefab.
keith at hmv metro centre always said that prefab sprout wers a poor mans Deacon blue - completely ignoring the fact that they were going about a decade before ! This is one of my favourite songs off Jordan - only "one of the broken" betters it - it's no "wages day" tho' (the power of sarcasm)
Did PAul Macartney really say that? I'm with Paul.
hoodsxl 4 months ago
F A N T A S T I C ! the guy is a (relatively ) unrecognised genius. Prefab Sprout achieved 10% of the success they deserved.
captplaystation 4 months ago
Has anyone found a better song than this? I sure haven't. This was pure magic when I was a teenager and it still is now!
shuyuyu 6 months ago
Thank you YouTube for bring Prefab Sprout to me!!
AbbyVizsla 6 months ago
Another song that reaches emotions very few songs do...it's a rare talent that can do this...why can't the world recognize it?
if she came to buy him now, how cheaply he'd be sold
what a great line
kenmeyerjr 8 months ago
Another song that reaches emotions very few songs do...it's a rare talent that can do this...why can't the world recognize it?
kenmeyerjr 8 months ago
Prefab Sprout made many beautiful songs,and this one is My favorite.
itasachi01velvet 9 months ago
Great song... A voice that melts the soul
pjasher 9 months ago
Prefab sprout - Genius
How can you put the smiths, house martins, james be put into the same category as Paddy Macloon? He writes better lyrics than any of those bands. He is the most modest and self-depricating artist ever. And you can never piegon hole him. Look him up in his interviews - he never takes himself too seriously.
hoodsxl 11 months ago
one of my favorites
amamuffin 11 months ago
4 people never had the stars to let them go
yemieko 1 year ago 2
fantastic track !.......brings back wonderful memories of the 80's
onealexone 1 year ago
Paddy Joe.....Paddy Joe.....don't you remember me?
ZJProz 1 year ago
I fondly remember all the women who shared sweet time with me. Thank you with all my heart. Very very romantic song. This was big in the Philippines in the 80s. :)
campoxanto 1 year ago
my parents used to listen to this.. and i would be all like turn this crap off but deep down i also really enjoyed it.
kaios1987 1 year ago
"If she came to buy him how cheaply he,d be sold " ........great line !
higgy636 1 year ago
prefab pop perfection sprout
sproutyDP 1 year ago
Along with big country ,prefab sprout are one of the most underated bands ever.
XfakexxmanX 1 year ago
'Looking for Atlantis' was a song rather than an album. It was the first track on 'Jordan: the comeback' one of my top 5 albums ever.
MacCruiskeen 1 year ago
The most romantic song ever recorded?
thesound59 1 year ago 6
i love this song so...
nevermindthestars 1 year ago
切なすぎて泣けてきてしまう。
今でもときどき車のなかで聴いてしまう一曲です。
EK9LOVE 1 year ago
When studying at JMOORES Uni, before staying on to live in Liverpool, this song reminds me of walking the city and the friendly nature of the locals.
TheMerseyBoy 1 year ago 2
A grey old man of 46 and still this song brings tears to my eyes. simply beautiful
scientifico 2 years ago 5
I remember my sons (they were 2 and 5 back then) shouting "Paddy Joe!" on the back seat of the car.....
mokacode 2 years ago 4
I've heard the LP a million time back then...
mokacode 2 years ago
I just heard it for the first time and it's really really good. Thanks for the link.
josealonsoleon 2 years ago
Simply gorgeous
gorizianopiratissimo 2 years ago
Such talent, a beautiful song.
IGiveYouPermission 2 years ago
For me & always the song sings the song however looking at this video on u tube it is obvious at the start that these people are real friends.
The song sings in beautiful melody to anyone with a heart.
Warm inviting , inspiring ,disappointing & aspirational anticipated lyrics with a dream induced harmony.
It is the first time i have heard this song ever. So good i have just bought the album.Thanks You tube & paruomax for allowing me to catch up on my past ,a real gem of a band.
goldnpleco 2 years ago
"how long ago one gorgeous night ,
we let the stars go free
how long ago one stupid night ,
we let the stars go free"
Love it.
charomike 2 years ago
this song will always remember me that perfect night at the seaside. Thank you , Karina, whererever you are.
laje05 2 years ago 2
Hello,magnificent and wonderful song and unforgettable band,thanks,bye.
yaze6972 2 years ago
By the way, football fans, SLB means Sport Lisboa e Benfica. Do you remember Eusébio??? ;-))
TheSLBforever 2 years ago
But U2 and Coldplay also performed and created gr8 songs. Don't forget Bono Vox first started his carreer in 1978...and that Chris Martin is from a different time, on a crazy era. Coldplay is a commercial band, but also good, I think. About McAloon's drift away...well, he's not alone. He isn't the only one "forgotten"... So many talented guys from the New Wave days just disppeared...Good old times!
TheSLBforever 2 years ago
What happened to Paddy McAloon? It's incredible to see someone remembering him after so many years, bringing along fantastic memories...How I used to laugh each time the portuguese national tv showed "King of Rock and Roll" videoclip on one of the Top of The Pop shows!!! Sunday morning, I believe...
TheSLBforever 2 years ago
How can bands like U2 and Coldplay (!) justify accepting loads of money and accolades for the crap they put out when Paddy McAloon toils in obscurity with more TALENT and creativity and heart than they'll EVER have! If they (and all the other hack bands out there) had any integrity, they'd listen to this song and QUIT!
77hodag 2 years ago
couldnt agree more pal spot on !!
jsbefc 2 years ago
This is one of those songs that remind you of why you fell in love with music. The man has a voice like Islay malt whisky, he rips the words out of my heart and has a simply beautiful way of delivering the melody. Why can't anyone do it these days???
bobman64 2 years ago
This song made me dream (and sometimes cry) when I was young. Love it.
satinbeaus 2 years ago
Well he needs to start off with small audiences and gradually work his way up. This song is very meaningful to me as well but holds no personal meaning other than the line "There was a boy I used to be I guess that he was cold. If she came to buy him now, how cheaply he'd be sold." Brilliant and yet deeply saddening.
Maskedhaven 2 years ago 3
I agree. Poetry. This is lyrically fabulous. Pure poetry.
YZippy 2 years ago
Wonderful stuff..emotional and uplifting.Paddy is a true genius...they never got the recognition they deserved.Please tour again Paddy..we love you and miss your talent man.
malckyb 2 years ago 4
This is the saddest video they ever made. It feels like their swan song. They'll never be that young, beautiful, and together again. I guess we were blessed to have them for the short time they were together, just like the Beatles.
tuppentupfiend 2 years ago 2
The Sprouts haven't played live for years. Maybe they never will again as Paddy is too nervous to sing to an audience these days (so he said on the radio last week). New album out 8th September though! Please tour again guys. I miss you!
KevinGTheBassPlayer 2 years ago
1:20 - 1:35
Believe it or not. This is the most romantic guitar solo I've ever heard.
Dengatube 2 years ago
Serious I would like to book these guys to play for me live.......this is amazing.
rad6666 2 years ago
This song had no bearing in my life..but I`m so emoyional attached to it for some reason....amazing track.brilliant...they were an amazing outfit...
rad6666 2 years ago
"Jordan" for me is the soundtrack to that heartbreaking transition year where college ended and working life began. So many great memories....
weshty1 2 years ago
I love this song, what an amazing piece of writing.
feedbackl00p 2 years ago
what year was this released,was it around 92/93?
stuffed76 2 years ago
Second single from Jordan The Comeback . 1990.
Saw them at Oxford Apollo that year and Paddy joked that Newcastle United let their stars go ( Gascoigne)
sproutyDP 2 years ago
1990
marshall808 2 years ago
All of the Sprouts' videos are rather silly, aren't they? No matter -- their work is timeless, and Jordan: The Comeback is the finest album of the past 40 years. This is a superb gem of a song from a great composer. What's not to like?
newtonbooth 2 years ago
Aye, shite videos; extraordinary songs.
StonefieldJim4 2 years ago
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All albuns are great but my preference is:
1-Andromeda Heights
2-Langley park to Memphis
3-Jordan
4-Steve McQueen
5-Protest songs
6-Gunan and other Stories
7-Swoon
?????-Lets change the world with music set 2009 ????
Paddy said the new album sounds like andremeda and jordan
MarkMargo 2 years ago
9th of september 2009 is the supposed date of the new album. Can't wait. I hear their music and I'm back in the day. Now I'm here and they're not I kind of feel they were years ahead of themselves. What a band.
Jakedadog 2 years ago
are they still playing live , i have most of their music starting with swoon on tape but dont remember them playing ireland.
TheCorkblackcat 2 years ago
They haven't played live for ages. There is however a new album in the making
AlphaMaleMonkey 2 years ago
They played the Olympia in Dublin around 2000 (October I think) was the last time. I was at it. I saw Andrea Corr come out of the gig with beau in hand. Great gig. They didn't dissapoint. No Wendy though.
Jakedadog 2 years ago
I adore Prefab Sprout! Jordan the Comeback is one of the best albums I have ever heard! I've played it millions of times over and this song I sing at the top of my voice! It's so beautiful, the song, not my voice.
nataliedancetodisco 2 years ago
If you like Prefab Sprout, try searching DEAD LIKE HARRY - SATELLITE for a new band you might like.
pcrofts27 2 years ago
The BEST song from one of my favorate bands ever! Long live Prefab. Can't wait for the new album this Summer!!
aFishOnABicycle 2 years ago
"Fan the embers long enough I'd sometimes catch her flame", "If she came to buy him now, how cheaply he'd be sold", "what used to be the sky, is suddenly embaressing to the naked eye". So beautiiful and poetic :-) x
ruth7784 2 years ago 2
Mc Caloon est vraiment un mec à part pour ses mélodies. Toujours cette profonde richesse mélancolique, toujours ce truc qui fait mouche. Vivement un nouvel album, ce groupe devient trop rare...
lookalulu 2 years ago 2
what a ridiculously melodic tune! they dont come like this very often anymore
jippyjester 2 years ago 2
beautiful!
i love prefab sprout <3
Laurz1233 2 years ago
I agree. Very sensitive, I think Paddy's voice is truely unique, so classy, they have their own rich sound. Paddy you are true inspiration to songwriters of today.
Chillednfunked 2 years ago 2
paddy mccaloon .....what a writer of the most wonderful music and lyrics
20 years later these songs still fill me with emotion
walrus502353 2 years ago 4
When I first heard this I had to buy the cassette for my car. I was visiting friends in Leicester at the time and I saw it in a newsagents of all places. Played it all the way home.
Every track on this album is a classic.
t0mme1981 2 years ago
What a beautiful, amazing song. It touches the soul. Paddy is a genius.
nigetheonion 2 years ago 20
Yes. I just played this song for my wife and she loves it. It really does touch the soul. Peace and blessings.
BTC141 2 years ago 2
@nigetheonion no matter how much destiny dictates your suppose to be together with the one you truly love reality kicks in and tears it apart because of unforseen or forseen circumstances and thats why sometimes true lovers have to let the stars go free ... absolutely beautiful tune
dermot51 1 year ago
@nigetheonion The band met in a college...not a million miles away from here...
Shabba691 4 months ago
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A masterpiece! And the unmistakable fingerprints of Thomas Dolby!
falenef 2 years ago
A masterpiece! And the unmistakable fingerprints of Thomas Dolby!
falenef 2 years ago 2
Prefab Sprout
MarkMargo 2 years ago
Excellent song
booksmark12 2 years ago 3
The music still sounds like magic 20+ years on. I loved this album. It was pure magic
shuyuyu 2 years ago 2
I'm floating over my living room right now!....Bless Prefab Sprout! *****
usergently 2 years ago
im hearin you.....
many people would have that one perfect memory...
that gorgeous night... sooo long ago... so close.. if only.... now freeeeeee...
1AussieAvenger1 3 years ago
This tune makes me cry.
charomike 3 years ago
Well, 'I couldn't bear to be special' must be one of the great songs of all time. Lyrics like that don't get written very often.
"Words are trains for moving past what really has no name" Paddy must have been reading Gregory Bateson......
spiralfries 3 years ago
i post "the mystery of love" on youtube, hope the fans liked
MarkMargo 3 years ago
MarkMargo 3 years ago 2
the song of my life.
bambambutu 3 years ago
Il passato non si può recuperare......
Alleirba 3 years ago 2
ooh beautiful lyrics! and it's easy to understood with Japanese. THANKS!
odebipooh 3 years ago 2
kinda trippy all of their stuff fkin great
lightermanuk 3 years ago
cant wait 4 the new album feb 09
SEANBANOG4 3 years ago 3
Brilliant song writer, shame the videos don't really cut it. S'pose the vids dont really matter, but compared to a lot of their contemporaries PS got the short straw when it came to directors. The songs deserved better.
randykawasaki 3 years ago
magic song
spartelrat 3 years ago 2
The hairs on the back of my neck are tingling, one of the most beautiful songs ever written and sung like no other, the harmony of Wendy's voice and Paddys could never be matched, Although the Carpenters come close!! but thats another story.
depmodeman 3 years ago 4
i love it too.
fonzemccool 3 years ago
I played this LP a million times back then!.....
mokacode 3 years ago 2
Paddy McAloon fantastic songwriter and band.
This kind of talent couldn't be afforded by the devil..
lecturerob 3 years ago 3
love the mellow voice of Paddy McAloon..
gardabetbet 3 years ago 4
Beautiful...
SantaSunday 3 years ago 2
Thomas Dolby was behind this band...
romeropablo 3 years ago
And this song...so marvelous...
romeropablo 3 years ago
Prefab Sprout was an underated band never getting the credit they fully deserved. I remember the songs growing up were so much better, Prefab, housemartins, James, Deacon Blue, and who can forget the Smiths.
This album, looking for atlantis was brilliant! thanks for the post
shuyuyu 3 years ago 14
i agree....prefab and the housemartins are the two most under-rated bands of the 80's.
this is a fantastic song...off a a great CD...that was supposedly a 'concept' album....whatever that means.
jrebstock 3 years ago
@shuyuyu Did you know that behind this band was Thomas Dolby?
romeropablo 1 year ago
@shuyuyu I ABSOLUTELY AGREE
trinisexgod 1 year ago
Je suis d'accord avec toi frenchjipouille, nos origines plus ou moins latine nous font aimer cette belle chanson, aussi je comprends pourquoi beaucoup de français aiment Préfab! Belle ballade musicale!
Longnez 3 years ago 2
Used to play it over and over back in 91.Pure as a cloudness sky...
mokacode 3 years ago 4
He is just recalling a brief affair wistfully and with some regret.
Paddy is a Criminally underrated songwriter.
His peers are folks like Leonard Cohen and Cole Porter.
jimthefin 3 years ago 3
Pretty bold statement....Cole Porter.. One of the greats. This is lyrically as good as anything out there. Just beautiful poetry. Wonderful...as good as anything Porter ever did.
YZippy 3 years ago 2
Well said. Paul McCartney has said McAloon is Britain's most undervalued songwriter. How right he is.
StonefieldJim4 3 years ago 8
Une signature lyrique inégalable. L'une des plus belles chansons des Sprout. A quand un nouvel album?
frenchjipouille 3 years ago 2
Can someone explain to me the song?
simasgar 3 years ago
try listening to the lyrics!its about an affair or fling he had a long time ago.
3kelvin9 3 years ago
I'm french sorry. What is an affair or a fling? A love story?
simasgar 3 years ago
A fling is a love affair that doesn't last long, and maybe isn't so serious.
stevebritgimp 3 years ago
Ah ok. And in the case of the song Paddy would have liked that this love affair lasts longer?
Sorry for my poor english.
simasgar 3 years ago
dont worry about your english, about the song, its not exactly that paddy wanted the affair to be longer, but that time later, he asks himself what would have happened if he had gone on... I think thats the beauty of what the songs talks about, not even knowing if we took the right or wrong decision, and still wondering... beautiful, isnt it?
Borgio 3 years ago 4
Beautiful but painful...
simasgar 3 years ago 2
brill song
pioneer9644 3 years ago
what a voice! i remember it growing up!! (born 1984)
fonzemccool 3 years ago
This song is magic!
valterbarberini 3 years ago 3
This song is very very fantastic, i like Prefab sprout!!!
Perronegro7 3 years ago 2
fantastic songs by a fantastic band, martin was my tutor for a year! sweet as!
easthousepinballwiza 3 years ago
This song and video have influenced my life so much...
Icarusangel27 3 years ago 2
its becoz yer a big softee
myreside 3 years ago
i like this song alot, not sure why tho? cause i usally listen to rock music and stuff :S
rossellisuk 3 years ago
Maybe because it simply is GOOD...?!
13sharky 3 years ago 3
i like this song alot, not sure why tho? cause i usally listen to rock music and stuff :S
rossellisuk 3 years ago
Absolutely gorgeous song.
No doubt about it, Prefab Sprout sure knew how to put a song together.
ecurl 3 years ago
Poetry. Just an amazing lyric. Beautiful. This is what art is....savor it people. We don't see the like of this very often.
YZippy 3 years ago
was 19 working in a shitty hotel doing double shifts in a one horse town got prefabs tape greatest hits got me through that summer 1991 wow seems like yesterday what an album
smithfield06 4 years ago 2
If you like prefab buy all there albums tomorrow and get Lewis Taylor aswell, hes in the same league and music of this quality is whats right in life, pay for quality, not crap
eyelivehere 4 years ago
Effing brill.brings back loads of memories for me...Neil Conti grooving like a mutha! and being a Gretsch man for years you gotta know hes serious, one of his best drum tracks for me, Dolby production etc stunning, wendy beautiful, bass player bloke rules the band and is understated top man allround kingpin, for me he probably is the superglue of prefab.
eyelivehere 4 years ago
One of the best and most "beautiful" songs of the past 20 years!
oshkoshbygosh 4 years ago 3
Why the hell haven't Kitchenware, or whoever, released a definitive DVD of all Prefab Sprout's videos?
Criminal.
redrob67 4 years ago
yes, not only a great songwriter but an incredible sound engineer
RanchoCoral 4 years ago
keith at hmv metro centre always said that prefab sprout wers a poor mans Deacon blue - completely ignoring the fact that they were going about a decade before ! This is one of my favourite songs off Jordan - only "one of the broken" betters it - it's no "wages day" tho' (the power of sarcasm)
aje2103 4 years ago
Thank you!!! I'd never seen this, and the Japanese parallel text was a special added bonus for me!!!
clarehane 4 years ago 2
Ridiculously underrated.
Mirsness 4 years ago
I love this one!
swissdelight 4 years ago
Such a great song,from a beautiful album Jordan The Comeback....Paddy is one of the best songwriters ever..brilliant stuff!!!
malckyb 4 years ago 2