Im a irata lvl3 and i carry a knife. A petzl one that clips onto the back off my harness.. I have commando wire too but if im a hurry and the situation is bad then im not gonna bother doing Z rigs, snatch rescues or any of that bullshit.
Im gonna get a hard link to me and the casualty, a long cows tail and im gonna cut that rope and get the casualty down ASAP..
It is my standard practice to only teach cave SRT rescue (training scenarios) using narrow diameter cord as the preferred cutting technique. Knives are very much old school and dangerous, imo.
The bigger issue isn't that the rope was cut, but that it was cut using a knife. Thats just a really bad idea. We never ever carry knives when we are around ropes. This person should have been using some sort of EMT shears or scissors where he can make sure it only cuts one rope. With a knife, its too easy to cut through one rope, hit another loaded rope which will also cut very easily, and end up cutting something important. Also, he should have transferred the load, yes.
I don't know why you would cut a rope in practice. I would consider this in the real world only for speed.
No one should ever be in a situation where they can not be rescued by rope access techniques. Especially when this is just a basic snatch rescue out a croll
whoa whoa!! if at all possible, you do not want to cut any rope you have on your system. reason is, is you may end up cutting your main rope and go crashing down. But other than that this was a very cool vid. Be safe out there :)
the rope for training was very short in length. it was attached to the system with couple carabiners. this experience also reminds us how serious it is when the darn rope get scratch. it breaks in a sudden.
i should re-announce that it's a training of the situation that the clamp get stuck and there's no other way to pick the victim off the system, but to shift the load first then cut the rope. the rescuer in the film was a rookie and cause a serious shock load to the system.
If you have to cut a rope with a knife coz thats all you got open the knife up half way put it around the rope and squeeze the knife shut. At least that one when you done the blade is packet away at the same time. At worst if you bugger it up you only cut yourself...
That only works with a folding knife, also i would only do that if it has a lanyard attached. If you don't hold it properly and it falls, you might get stuck.
WRONG WRONG WRONG!!! Put the knife away!!! NEVER EVER DO THIS. Attach to victim, Haul your victim up, remove from working lines, lower on to rescuer, descend safely. If you have to cut ropes, you should not be on them.
Yes, there are some choices to remove the victim from his system. The action in the film actually assumed there's no better way than cutting it off. The rescuer made a mistake by not shifting the load to the rescuer's line before cutting, thus shock load happened.
@alexliu1116 The bigger issue isn't that the rope was cut, but that it was cut using a knife. Thats just a really bad idea. We never ever carry knives when we are around ropes. This person should have been using some sort of EMT shears or scissors where he can make sure it only cuts one rope. With a knife, its too easy to cut through one rope, hit another loaded rope which will also cut very easily, and end up cutting something important. Also, he should have transferred the load, yes.
@belfastboyca One should always carry a knife, and know how to preform this task. There are situations(medical urgency) that may warrant the time saved in simply transferring the load to the rescuer and moving along.
@snocket Yes, RAT's should always carry a knife. Unless you are a BTLS certified medic, you are not qualified to diagnose a medical emergency, so forget that option. Cutting, as was done in this example, could have magnified any spinal or suspension trauma already existing in a casualty; in this case, you actually are making the situation worse. As for the knife, that was the incorrect tool, even if this was an emergency; a safety knife is the correct tool, with no exposed edges.
why not use a set of fours to lift the victim up and thransfer load into a pick off strap. the the vic. is on the rescue system. Then DISCONNECT vic. original system.
u are right. the method in the film is one of the 5 situations rescuing a victim on clamps. only used in specific conditions. although we didn't set a pulley system to pick off the victim first in practice, the rescuer's system shouldn't bear a shock load like that if the rescuer take in enough.
Yeah... as somebody else says. Use a hook knife, a type of safety knife - divers use them and they cost less than 10 bucks on ebay, they are much, much safer for casualty AND rescuer. Stay cool.
Consider TRAUMA shears as you can control completely what does and doesn't come in contact with the cutting edges... I agree with AKMW40 shock load blah blah bad things happed...
couple of points, a; cut towards yourself, that way you don't stab your casualty in the eye.
b; carry a bit of 1mm cord on your harness, wrap once round the rope and you can saw thru the rope, its better than a knife cos there is no sudden snap, the rope just stetches as you go thru the threads.
take the 1mm cord and wrap it once round the rope then an end in each hand, pull the cord tight and move it back and forth, can't explain it much more than that
u mean, saw with the 1mm cord? haven't thought of this way... maybe a better way if not in emergency. next time i have a chance to try i'll put the video on. thanks.
You nearly cut the guys nose off there mate.
Im a irata lvl3 and i carry a knife. A petzl one that clips onto the back off my harness.. I have commando wire too but if im a hurry and the situation is bad then im not gonna bother doing Z rigs, snatch rescues or any of that bullshit.
Im gonna get a hard link to me and the casualty, a long cows tail and im gonna cut that rope and get the casualty down ASAP..
wazzzer 7 months ago
It is my standard practice to only teach cave SRT rescue (training scenarios) using narrow diameter cord as the preferred cutting technique. Knives are very much old school and dangerous, imo.
Chris3141592 8 months ago
useless video. very unclear
czarnpg 9 months ago
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The bigger issue isn't that the rope was cut, but that it was cut using a knife. Thats just a really bad idea. We never ever carry knives when we are around ropes. This person should have been using some sort of EMT shears or scissors where he can make sure it only cuts one rope. With a knife, its too easy to cut through one rope, hit another loaded rope which will also cut very easily, and end up cutting something important. Also, he should have transferred the load, yes.
Kami8705 1 year ago
I don't know why you would cut a rope in practice. I would consider this in the real world only for speed.
No one should ever be in a situation where they can not be rescued by rope access techniques. Especially when this is just a basic snatch rescue out a croll
marcovanbaston1 1 year ago
you'll finish him!!!!
slobodan1929 1 year ago
whoa whoa!! if at all possible, you do not want to cut any rope you have on your system. reason is, is you may end up cutting your main rope and go crashing down. But other than that this was a very cool vid. Be safe out there :)
Cowboy3590 1 year ago
Never say never people.... there ARE situations where cuting a rope maybe the most appropriate option and maybe your only option.
It should be a last resort but you should be equipped and competant to do it.
cammcm1 2 years ago
well...
the rope for training was very short in length. it was attached to the system with couple carabiners. this experience also reminds us how serious it is when the darn rope get scratch. it breaks in a sudden.
alexliu1116 2 years ago
im confused why they even cut the darn rope..... the rope i use is pretty expensive and I wouldnt be cutting it Especially for training...
express55589 2 years ago
u may be right
i should re-announce that it's a training of the situation that the clamp get stuck and there's no other way to pick the victim off the system, but to shift the load first then cut the rope. the rescuer in the film was a rookie and cause a serious shock load to the system.
alexliu1116 2 years ago
NEVER cut a loaded rope!
Really good way to kill yourself!
I agree with belfastboyca.
cgoudge 2 years ago
thats a good knife
express55589 2 years ago
It's not a good knife; its a loaded rope. You could cut it with a fingernail file.
cgoudge 2 years ago
Why cut it? Why not just counter weight the cas, take him off the croll slowly?
jesuswater 2 years ago 2
ganda mentira!!! eu kria ver era o gaju a cortar a corda do stop!!! até se cagava todo...
freakroots 3 years ago
Hell I hope this is not common practise!!!
If you have to cut a rope with a knife coz thats all you got open the knife up half way put it around the rope and squeeze the knife shut. At least that one when you done the blade is packet away at the same time. At worst if you bugger it up you only cut yourself...
StuntsnRescue 3 years ago
That only works with a folding knife, also i would only do that if it has a lanyard attached. If you don't hold it properly and it falls, you might get stuck.
abdula31 3 years ago
A short piece of blunt hack saw blade is much more controlable if you have to cut a rope do it slowly the sheath first then strand by strand
You can also cut rope with accesory cord one wrap around the main rope work it back and forward the friction will melt through it with ease
doubleboost 3 years ago
Will the accesory cord not burn first, as it is the thinnest ?
OwnedAsshole 2 years ago
no it cuts the main rope
this is the sort of thing to practice you never know when you may need it
cutting ropes is the last resort
doubleboost 2 years ago
WRONG WRONG WRONG!!! Put the knife away!!! NEVER EVER DO THIS. Attach to victim, Haul your victim up, remove from working lines, lower on to rescuer, descend safely. If you have to cut ropes, you should not be on them.
belfastboyca 4 years ago 9
Yes, there are some choices to remove the victim from his system. The action in the film actually assumed there's no better way than cutting it off. The rescuer made a mistake by not shifting the load to the rescuer's line before cutting, thus shock load happened.
alexliu1116 4 years ago
@alexliu1116 The bigger issue isn't that the rope was cut, but that it was cut using a knife. Thats just a really bad idea. We never ever carry knives when we are around ropes. This person should have been using some sort of EMT shears or scissors where he can make sure it only cuts one rope. With a knife, its too easy to cut through one rope, hit another loaded rope which will also cut very easily, and end up cutting something important. Also, he should have transferred the load, yes.
Kami8705 1 year ago
@belfastboyca One should always carry a knife, and know how to preform this task. There are situations(medical urgency) that may warrant the time saved in simply transferring the load to the rescuer and moving along.
snocket 6 months ago
@snocket Yes, RAT's should always carry a knife. Unless you are a BTLS certified medic, you are not qualified to diagnose a medical emergency, so forget that option. Cutting, as was done in this example, could have magnified any spinal or suspension trauma already existing in a casualty; in this case, you actually are making the situation worse. As for the knife, that was the incorrect tool, even if this was an emergency; a safety knife is the correct tool, with no exposed edges.
belfastboyca 6 months ago
why not use a set of fours to lift the victim up and thransfer load into a pick off strap. the the vic. is on the rescue system. Then DISCONNECT vic. original system.
jlm993 4 years ago
u are right. the method in the film is one of the 5 situations rescuing a victim on clamps. only used in specific conditions. although we didn't set a pulley system to pick off the victim first in practice, the rescuer's system shouldn't bear a shock load like that if the rescuer take in enough.
alexliu1116 4 years ago
Yeah... as somebody else says. Use a hook knife, a type of safety knife - divers use them and they cost less than 10 bucks on ebay, they are much, much safer for casualty AND rescuer. Stay cool.
longnik 4 years ago
Consider TRAUMA shears as you can control completely what does and doesn't come in contact with the cutting edges... I agree with AKMW40 shock load blah blah bad things happed...
FYRFITR123 4 years ago
trauma shears sound like they'd work nicely and they are rather cheap as well.
dcocozzelli 4 years ago
BAD TECHNIQUES,shock load to system ,blah blah,casualty actually moans wheather out of fear of knife or bollocks being crushed
akmw40 4 years ago
Hah hah... that very try did hurt... should take in a little more to avoid the shock load.
alexliu1116 4 years ago
try using a fish knive no danger of casualty getting cut, tried and test lol.
madmouseuk 4 years ago
u mean the knife with a hook?
alexliu1116 4 years ago
couple of points, a; cut towards yourself, that way you don't stab your casualty in the eye.
b; carry a bit of 1mm cord on your harness, wrap once round the rope and you can saw thru the rope, its better than a knife cos there is no sudden snap, the rope just stetches as you go thru the threads.
nyecoop 5 years ago
thanks for your suggestion.
a.that's true. the patient bears some risk of being wounded by rescuer's knife.
b.i didn't get the point coz i can't imagine that. if i can get more details i'll probably try that way next time.
alexliu1116 5 years ago
take the 1mm cord and wrap it once round the rope then an end in each hand, pull the cord tight and move it back and forth, can't explain it much more than that
stay safe, mate
nyecoop 5 years ago
u mean, saw with the 1mm cord? haven't thought of this way... maybe a better way if not in emergency. next time i have a chance to try i'll put the video on. thanks.
alexliu1116 5 years ago