I wonder if you can also rought busses from au instruments into logics mixer/busses then rought the busses from logic from the au instrument into the Harrison console and print multiple stems live?
@junglestar I see no reason why it shouldn't work. However, I've never used Studio One, so hopefully someone else will be able to help with the particulars. Best wishes.
Cool that you can do this but what's the point? Jack is a pretty great audio host/virtual patch bay and you can configure mixbus to start Jack when it launches.
@TheExplodingBit I had been using jack for a few years on Linux so when I started recording with OSX so it made sense to me. I installed but never really understood soundflower but I can see if you are already using it how valuable this tutorial would be.
@DJSupermanRussia The process is almost exactly the same as above when done with Pro Tools 9, since it can now use CoreAudio or ASIO drivers. Maybe someone else can help with previous versions of PT. I've never tried it with PT versions prior to 9. Best wishes.
@janvierbam Check your routing in Live, if you haven't. Make sure that you aren't routed to a physical out also and that you don't have audio from Soundflower coming back into a Live track that's set to "In" or "Auto".
thanks for the tut. Can you tell me will does the mixbuss project sync with the logic sequence so I can use automation in both environments. I am also thinking the fine tuning will be in logic but overall mix in mixbuss will be "as if" I had actually imported stems. second, can you create more than one aggregate device using soundflower, to overcome the 16 channel limit. lastly, in terms of sound quality to cpu performance how would you rate the mixbuss.
@beatnikcafe When/if I use Mixbus I'm using it essentially like I would one of my hardware summing boxes, doing most of the mixing in the main DAW and only using it for it's sound. I haven't tried syncing it to another DAW. As for the 16ch limit, this is a limitation of Soundflower not aggregate devices so I'd doubt you can overcome it unless using something other than Soundflower. I'd say that Mixbus is efficient with CPU usage. It's up to you to decide if it's sonically what you want though.
Was a little hard to follow, seems a heck of a lot easier to just import audio from Logic when you are done with the track and mix it in Mixbus, If I had an Idea I would probably loose the vibe by the time I set all that up
You should only have to set this up once. It doesn't work for everyone's work flow though, surely. However, the problem with importing audio files, for most people, is that you lose most of Logic's more "sophisticated" mixing faculties. Logic's automation for example, which many use for detailed mixing moves, is far superior to anything in Mixbus/Ardour, and that's just one of many. Importing bounces may be better for you. Try it. Thanks for the constructive feedback.
Glad you found the video informative. I think that the sonic differences are noticeable, but still subjective. Mixbus provides character that you just can't get with a DAW alone without using saturation plug-ins or outboard. That said, I do feel that you can get similar results using a major DAW with some of the better saturation plug-ins, not just tape ones but console emulations. Routing is a bit of nuisance, and you lose a lot of automation facilities of a top DAW. CPU load is fairly small.
To follow up, it will be hard to find an alternative that compares to what Mixbus achieves sonically at the price that it does. The only other direct comparison, price wise and sonically, would be Desk by Airwindows -- which works directly in your DAW as an AU plug-in.
Many would like to bypass their DAW's mixer for many tasks and instead use Mixbus for it's "sound" and facilities. Mixbus is not a DAW, it is a virtual "analog console" that comes with Ardour (a DAW). Some prefer Logic over Ardour. It comes with Jack, a routing server which allows cross application audio routing. It seems almost explicitly designed for this purpose. This video was to show how to use it with Soundflower instead of Jack, par request, not to endorse this method. Hope that helps.
hi there thy for reply, now this makes sens, but Mixbus won't start without Jack 0.8 - and Sunflower is chrashing with and without jack on OS 10.4x on a MacBook ?! any idea ? Cheers
JackOSX is required for Mixbus, to my knowledge. Make sure you are installing the 32bit version for 10.4 and up, not the 64/32bit version for Snow Leopard. You should have been provided the needed info with your Mixbus purchase. As for Soundflower, check the requirements. Not sure what's going on there, I use versions of 10.5.8 and 10.6 of OSX.
Thx for reply. i already found sort of a workaround to send 8 tracks from ProTools MP to harrison MixBus.
I use M-Audio Profire Lightbridge as hardware so I bridged last 8 ADAT ins/outs with a ADAT cable and chose Profire as interface in JackPilot. So when I send signal from ProTools through these outputs it goes to same inputs and I recieve it in Harrison Mixbus.
Routing in Mixbus is another issue...
I think there are couple of bugs but need to make sure its not me first.
Nice thinking! Those Lightbridges come in handy. I've been using one recently to route out old defunct software synths (that are PC only) into another interface and into Logic, via ADAT. Never even thought to use it like you've done. That's great. Thanks for sharing that info.
I haven't experimented with anything DAE related yet, nor DTDM/TDM in Logic as a front end. You may be able to fiddle with it and get it to work -- though it'd be via Logic or DP on Digi HD gear. I highly doubt Pro Tools itself will work, as Mixbus only supports CoreAudio drivers -- making software routing improbable. I've also never gotten an aggregate device to work with Digi gear. LE/MP gear on Digi drivers most likely will not work. This is just an assumption though, and I could be wrong.
What version of PT are you using? Let me know if I can help, if not...let me know if you find a way! I'd be glad to see the process. Thanks for viewing and commenting.
I wonder if you can also rought busses from au instruments into logics mixer/busses then rought the busses from logic from the au instrument into the Harrison console and print multiple stems live?
19Nick80webb 3 months ago
How can I do this with studio one ? When I use jackosx studio one and my virus goes out of sync
junglestar 7 months ago
@junglestar I see no reason why it shouldn't work. However, I've never used Studio One, so hopefully someone else will be able to help with the particulars. Best wishes.
TheExplodingBit 6 months ago
Cool that you can do this but what's the point? Jack is a pretty great audio host/virtual patch bay and you can configure mixbus to start Jack when it launches.
tykerdog33 1 year ago
@tykerdog33 This was done after requests from Soundflower users. Thanks for your feedback, tykerdog33.
TheExplodingBit 1 year ago
@TheExplodingBit I had been using jack for a few years on Linux so when I started recording with OSX so it made sense to me. I installed but never really understood soundflower but I can see if you are already using it how valuable this tutorial would be.
tykerdog33 1 year ago
cool !
how its work with Pro Tools ? (Pro Tools + Mixbus)
DJSupermanRussia 1 year ago
@DJSupermanRussia The process is almost exactly the same as above when done with Pro Tools 9, since it can now use CoreAudio or ASIO drivers. Maybe someone else can help with previous versions of PT. I've never tried it with PT versions prior to 9. Best wishes.
TheExplodingBit 1 year ago
I'm using ableton, I can get the sound into Mixbus but I also hear it in Live, can anyone help?
janvierbam 1 year ago
@janvierbam Check your routing in Live, if you haven't. Make sure that you aren't routed to a physical out also and that you don't have audio from Soundflower coming back into a Live track that's set to "In" or "Auto".
TheExplodingBit 1 year ago
thanks for the tut. Can you tell me will does the mixbuss project sync with the logic sequence so I can use automation in both environments. I am also thinking the fine tuning will be in logic but overall mix in mixbuss will be "as if" I had actually imported stems. second, can you create more than one aggregate device using soundflower, to overcome the 16 channel limit. lastly, in terms of sound quality to cpu performance how would you rate the mixbuss.
beatnikcafe 1 year ago
@beatnikcafe When/if I use Mixbus I'm using it essentially like I would one of my hardware summing boxes, doing most of the mixing in the main DAW and only using it for it's sound. I haven't tried syncing it to another DAW. As for the 16ch limit, this is a limitation of Soundflower not aggregate devices so I'd doubt you can overcome it unless using something other than Soundflower. I'd say that Mixbus is efficient with CPU usage. It's up to you to decide if it's sonically what you want though.
TheExplodingBit 1 year ago
Was a little hard to follow, seems a heck of a lot easier to just import audio from Logic when you are done with the track and mix it in Mixbus, If I had an Idea I would probably loose the vibe by the time I set all that up
lindseyjondawson 1 year ago
You should only have to set this up once. It doesn't work for everyone's work flow though, surely. However, the problem with importing audio files, for most people, is that you lose most of Logic's more "sophisticated" mixing faculties. Logic's automation for example, which many use for detailed mixing moves, is far superior to anything in Mixbus/Ardour, and that's just one of many. Importing bounces may be better for you. Try it. Thanks for the constructive feedback.
TheExplodingBit 1 year ago
Thanks, very informative vid. Couple of Q's:
Is Mixbus really an audible sonic improvement over the standard DAW fare?
How is it with resources, does it hog up a lot of CPU power?
Is the rerouting stable enough to make this a viable mix proposition?
Zephonic 2 years ago
Glad you found the video informative. I think that the sonic differences are noticeable, but still subjective. Mixbus provides character that you just can't get with a DAW alone without using saturation plug-ins or outboard. That said, I do feel that you can get similar results using a major DAW with some of the better saturation plug-ins, not just tape ones but console emulations. Routing is a bit of nuisance, and you lose a lot of automation facilities of a top DAW. CPU load is fairly small.
TheExplodingBit 2 years ago
To follow up, it will be hard to find an alternative that compares to what Mixbus achieves sonically at the price that it does. The only other direct comparison, price wise and sonically, would be Desk by Airwindows -- which works directly in your DAW as an AU plug-in.
TheExplodingBit 2 years ago
mix bus not seeing the Soundflower inputs
nicksaya 2 years ago
Did you ever get this sorted?
TheExplodingBit 1 year ago
Nice, I'm glad to see it, Jack is a little blown out for just sending out stems and tweaking a bit.
Thanks for the update.
SANDS78 2 years ago
Hi there, Not sure but why are you using Mixbus if you are working wiht Logic Pro - this makes no seens to me ?
cheers
pixeltransfer 2 years ago
Many would like to bypass their DAW's mixer for many tasks and instead use Mixbus for it's "sound" and facilities. Mixbus is not a DAW, it is a virtual "analog console" that comes with Ardour (a DAW). Some prefer Logic over Ardour. It comes with Jack, a routing server which allows cross application audio routing. It seems almost explicitly designed for this purpose. This video was to show how to use it with Soundflower instead of Jack, par request, not to endorse this method. Hope that helps.
TheExplodingBit 2 years ago
hi there thy for reply, now this makes sens, but Mixbus won't start without Jack 0.8 - and Sunflower is chrashing with and without jack on OS 10.4x on a MacBook ?! any idea ? Cheers
pixeltransfer 2 years ago
JackOSX is required for Mixbus, to my knowledge. Make sure you are installing the 32bit version for 10.4 and up, not the 64/32bit version for Snow Leopard. You should have been provided the needed info with your Mixbus purchase. As for Soundflower, check the requirements. Not sure what's going on there, I use versions of 10.5.8 and 10.6 of OSX.
TheExplodingBit 2 years ago
Thx for reply. i already found sort of a workaround to send 8 tracks from ProTools MP to harrison MixBus.
I use M-Audio Profire Lightbridge as hardware so I bridged last 8 ADAT ins/outs with a ADAT cable and chose Profire as interface in JackPilot. So when I send signal from ProTools through these outputs it goes to same inputs and I recieve it in Harrison Mixbus.
Routing in Mixbus is another issue...
I think there are couple of bugs but need to make sure its not me first.
Veselim 2 years ago
Nice thinking! Those Lightbridges come in handy. I've been using one recently to route out old defunct software synths (that are PC only) into another interface and into Logic, via ADAT. Never even thought to use it like you've done. That's great. Thanks for sharing that info.
TheExplodingBit 2 years ago
I mean to route channels from ProTools to harrison MixBus ?
Veselim 2 years ago
I haven't experimented with anything DAE related yet, nor DTDM/TDM in Logic as a front end. You may be able to fiddle with it and get it to work -- though it'd be via Logic or DP on Digi HD gear. I highly doubt Pro Tools itself will work, as Mixbus only supports CoreAudio drivers -- making software routing improbable. I've also never gotten an aggregate device to work with Digi gear. LE/MP gear on Digi drivers most likely will not work. This is just an assumption though, and I could be wrong.
TheExplodingBit 2 years ago
This is really great !
Anyone knows is it possible to do the same using ProTools ?
Veselim 2 years ago
What version of PT are you using? Let me know if I can help, if not...let me know if you find a way! I'd be glad to see the process. Thanks for viewing and commenting.
TheExplodingBit 2 years ago