@ismarbeton If you actually watch this episode in full you will notice that they do in fact state that both first and second hand smoke have no significant scientific data to prove nor disprove that they are harmful. The very scientific data people use to say smoking, and second hand smoke, cause cancer only used the facts they wanted to use. In fact there studies show the opposite. Here is an example of the study. 2/10 containers filled with 50 mice that were exposed to smoke had 1/10 die.
@ReallifeSuperman Please note that my example is not an exact representation of there results but is similar to how the studies went. The scientists ignored the mice that lived and focused on those that died as a bases for there 3,000+ smokers die statement. Therefore there data was found flawed and dismissed my a federal judge.
Anti-smoking people are elitists who see themselves as superior and therefore know better what you should do with your life than you do. It's not like people aren't aware of the dangers of first hand smoke, people who smoke know perfectly that the cigarettes will eventually fuck up their lungs, but they still choose to do it, why should anyone care then?
i always thought that the anti smoking hysteria went a bit to far - or at least should stop there - i mean its good that you don't have to breath in smoke in restaurants -but in bars??
but i was a bit surprised about their statement about scientific evidence - maybe im naive but i don't just think that all sources refer just to one study - and sorry if you are from an "free market" think tank - you are no neutral source for me
Having lived in New York for a year and half but being a native of Oregon, they smoke a HELL of a lot more in New York - but the ban on smoking in bars and restaurants in Oregon was also years earlier. There were definitely some protests, but I think New York had us beat.
thousands of people die each year from second hand smoke. That being said, we should only be allowed to ban smoking in public places never private (unless it is affecting people on another property, which I doubt. Or if you are taking care of kids)
@MacabreManifesto I am not sure this argument necessarily holds. There are certain business practices that we would expect to be illegal because of needless danger. Let us imagine a workshop that because of bad ventilation caused a 25% increase in cases of lung cancer, would we not insist that they provide better ventilation. This is the case we are dealing with.
I hate secondhand smoke and I'm glad it's banned in restaurants and pubs here in Ireland. It's not that I'm paranoid that every puff of bad air will give me cancer, I just feel instantly nauseous at the smell of the stuff. It's also great that the air in most buildings is now safe for anyone who already has a breathing problem, e.g. asthma.
I have asthma, and know people who are so sensitive they can't stand the smell of markers. We hang out in smoke-filled casinos sometimes. It doesn't bother them.
OK lets say I like farting a lot and kept farting every 5 minutes in a smokers face. Would it be fair to say "If you don't like it don't come in here cause I like farting" or it should be me who should stop??
Maybe second hand smoking doesn't cause cancer but it is unpleasant and we should respect others a little bit.
Penn and Teller belong to the Cato Institute which is funded by Phillip Morris and R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company. They are magicians, THEIR JOB IS TO DECEIVE YOU!! Look at the studies yourself. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2515267/
Why can't anti smokers see how hypocritical they are ? I'm a non smoker, but I don't have the right to tell someome they can't smoke. If someone is smoking and it bothers me I fucking move!
"every health and scientific organization around the world.... like surgeon general, american lung association, american heart association, american cancer society"
I dont smoke, but i dont complain to people that they smoke. I go outside with my friends when they go for a smoke, jsut so I can talk with them. Shure, im greatful that its been banned in bars. Well, I would more like to have ROOMS for smokers in bars, but hey, my clothes started tos mell, and the bars/clubs air was a lot more stuffier, less time to dance before I would get exausted for the "lack" of air. And as a non smoker, I think the laws are getting too far these days...
I find the perfume and cologne you wear to be of a foul odor. It gets in my hair and my clothes and gives me a terrible headache. A simple google search for 'health risks of perfume' brings up a myriad of warnings and risks. I do not want my pregnant wife breathing your dangerous second hand perfume. We must pass a LAW NOW banning this dangerous substance from being allowed into a restaurant I eat at. I do not care about your right to wear or put into your body what you choose.
Forget scientific experiments for a second and actually think! How smart do you have to be to figure out that breathing in smoke isn't good for you?!
I usually agree with Penn and Teller and I love their show but not this one, why should children and people who make a point not to smoke have to still breathe it in when they go out to eat?!
You are infringing on my rights by doing something that affects me just because I am near you. I don't care if smoking isn't harmful. Your rights as an individual do not encompass being able to do whatever you want to me just because you have a bad habit. I don't want to smell like shit just by eating in a restaurant.
@Iwatchtrek That's exactly what I am going to 'fucking tell you'. Don't go there. If you disagree with something, or a business, speak WITH YOUR WALLET. There is nothing that hurts them more than not receiving your $. If enough people agree with you the business will have to change it's rules or go under. This is how proper free market and the persuasion by CHOICE work. Not by a bunch of whiny fucks making up test conclusions and passing more LAWS.
@Iwatchtrek It is MY choice to hurt or help myself, not yours nor the governments. Would you like someone to start denying you something or somewhere to go because in their opinion you are hurting yourself? Do you drink Coke? I think you are hurting yourself and can show proof it is unhealthy, I want to pass laws to keep you from it. Do you jog? I think it is bad on your knees and want to pass laws to make you stop. Do you watch TV? It is bad on your eyes and I want to pass laws to make you stop
1) You can't run scientific tests on the effects of second hand smoke for the same reason you can't run tests on the effects of splashing acid in someones face: potentially harmful experiments like that just don't get past the ethics board.
2) For libertarian douche bags who are arguing 'You can't tell me what to do! I have the right to smoke if I choose to!' Why aren't you campaigning to legalize every single drug ever concocted? Surely its the right of anyone who wants to use them to do so?
I totally agree with the principle that on your property, in your business, you should be able to allow of ban smoking. Not the government. I am a (light) smoker. Who really misses smoking in bars. However, I worked in a restaurant before, during and after the smoking ban came into effect in my city. And to be very honest, it was a much more pleasant place to work without cigarette smoke everywhere. All employees and most customers agreed. So, there's that. For whatever that's worth.
The real issue here is that the smoking culture poison's our kids to smoke, and it is in our interest as a utilitarian society to remove smoking from our society. And this is a first step in that direction.
Last year there was an ad claiming that million school absences were due to second hand smoke. Now THAT'S bullshit! When smoking was at its zenith in the 1950s at 70%, were the schools 3/4 empty every day? Why isn't the Baby Boomer generation dying off like flies from cancer because the parents smoked? The time has come to stop this "spreading a lie until it becomes a truth" crap that Hitler and Goebbels theorized, and apparently accurately.
"We did find weak evidence of a dose-response relationship between the risk of lung cancer and exposure to spousal and workplace ETS."
...if it weren't statistically significant, they would have said "no association." Do you think that the childhood study showed the same numbers down the board? No, there was a difference, one way or the other, as there always is, but it wasn't statistically significant; that's what "no association" means!
I smoke and I go out of my way to not smoke near other people. My home happens to be in an area with a lot of children since I attend the University of Utah and the campus is close to many residential areas. That being said SLC has among the worst smog problems in the country due to automobiles. Yet I am the problem...
8:37 - So, literally a few seconds after attacking EPA for cherry picking key points to suit them, they go and highlight this sentence, pretending the one after it doesn't exist? Fucking hypocrisy at its best.
I dont know what gutter they dug these doctors up from... but if I do a simple pubmed search there is 1000's of papers offering evidence. I admit its hard 4 the average joe to understand papers talking about receptors and operons etc... but it only takes half a brain cell to work out that if smoking causes cancer, indirectly breathing in toxins will have the same effect. But hey believe the Magicians haha, I c peple who lived in denial in ther death beds constantly, its just more money 4 me :)
But in a BAR? You're growing a brick in your guts, why not start Two in your chest? Be productive, make it a hobby! BTW, every anti smoker I know smokes pot like a bandit
I don't know what those two smokers are smiling about at 3:20. Go visit them after they get lung cancer and see how much they're smiling then. I'm glad to see the smoking bans. If you want to kill yourself go right on ahead but you don't have the right to blow your cancer in my face
Also I think we should ban that HORRIBLE shirt you're wearing. Just because you enjoy ugly fashion, doesn't mean I have to subject my eyes to it
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I'd also like to ban bikinis, because I don't think I need to subject myself to your ugly ass. Plus let's ban computers, because they encourage slothfulness and obesity. America needs to cut its government-paid health expenses, so no more PCs or TVs
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end sarcasm. POINT - Your are an anti-freedom communist
@harleykman No I'm not. If you want to smoke that's fine. Smoke a carton per day. Second hand smoke is dangerous. Smoking has proven to be dangerous. Causes all kinds of cancers, heart disease, etc. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that if smoking is bad then the stuff you exhale is bad also. my tshirt, bikinis, computers might be irritating to you but they don't harm your physical health
@harleykman Freedom to destroy your health should not be extended to harming another person’s health. You are an insane person if you believe freedom is absolute.
Although that second hand smoke is dangerous it should be up to the owner to decide if he lets his customers smoke in his restaurant. I live in the Netherlands and many bars have money problems now because of the smoking ban because they are losing customers. You would too if all your customers smoked. The small bars in the Netherlands only have local customers and some of them do have it that most customers do smoke.
@hobbitsarecool In public places it should be banned. People choose to smoke, well that is their choice. But that right should end where it infringes on the rights of non smokers. The argument that it should be up to business owners is crazy. Would you risk your health for money?
I live in the Netherlands and a lot of cafes are going bankrupt now because no one is allowed to smoke there anymore. When 90% of you clients smoke, and the rest don't care whether there is smoke or not, by implementing a ban you are putting those places in situations where the cafe will need to close down due to their financial situation. As a nonsmoker, you can always choose to not go to a place where smoking is allowed.
90% of the Netherland cafe patrons smoke? Some quick research that I just did doesn't suggest those numbers. I read that there has been a crack down on marijuana sales but the truth is the highest percentage is at about 60 percent in China. If 90 percent of Dutch people smoked then that is 90 percent dumb behavior. That is hardly something a person should brag about. The link between smoking and cancer is well established by health athorities world wide. I don't care what Penn and Teller claim.
Did you even read my post? I said that there were some cafes where 90% of the patrons smoke. I never said that 90% of the dutch smoke. btw Penn has said that this episode was out of date since after the release of the episode, it was proven that second hand smoke was bad and he apologized for it. And why do you call it a dumb behavior? It is their choice and if they wanted to smoke why not let them. I know people who smoke who know the risks but do it anyway.
I don't know about you but I find it cruel to let businesses go bankrupt because of a law because he can't get anymore customers. Sorry but such a ban is legislating behavior which I find wrong. The government should have no right to tell you what you do with your body. And like I said, as a nonsmoker, you can always go to a place where people don't smoke.
So you place profit above public health and comfort? You’re what I call a real old fashioned capitalist. These guys are paid actors spouting off the opinion of a couple of minority voices in a sea of medical expertise. There have been other studies since that have proven the harmful effects of second hand smoke. Arsenic, lead, cadmium, ammonia, carbon monoxide, hydrogen cyanide are present in cigarette smoke along with a list of over 200 poisonous gasses. Please spare me the bullshit
And you place having an argument above reading my posts. Do you even bother reading what I type. I put the choice of the individual to choose to smoke or not, or to go to a cafe where smoking is allowed or not, above the legislating a behavior where government has no right to be. And yes I do agree with you that there are adverse affects to fists and second hand smoke.
But like I said before, if the owner of a cafe wants to allow smoking there it HIS choice to do so if he wants it because it is HIS cafe, and no one should be able to allow to say that you are not allowed to smoke there. The fact that you did not see this shows me you have not read my posts. You can always choose not to go there. I am not an old fashioned capitalist. This isn't about money, this is about freedom.
The second the government tries to interfere with me and my body, and my property, they are violating my right to do what I want to do with them. So if an owner of a cafe wants to allow his patrons to smoke he is welcome to allow it. And did you not read also that there are cafes which are going bankrupt because of bad laws. What is worse, allowing people to work in a cafe filled with cigarette smoke because they choose it, or allowing them to go bankrupt.
Smokers are the new second-class citzens, and that's just bullshit. Human rights violations are always excused until it's too late to do anything about the prison of laws you eventually live under.
@JoeDeceiver Second class citizens? That suggests that they have no choice in being persona non grata. Now that statement is "Bullshit." If you are part of a club that plays Russian roulette on weekends (for argument sake) and membership is down then remember that membership was voluntary!
wow, so P&T always use science to argue against something, but they somehow choose to defend smoking? so the logic is, 'if you don't like smoke (from smokers), don't come to this bar'. But if they smoke everywhere, where the fuck do I go? How is that fair? Smoking is the biggest stupidity, it is 100% poison and a filthy habit and addiction. P&T are way too strange sometimes, they just defend their own beliefs, and they do so viciously.
I can't believe people actually give a damn about this kind of stuff. If you don't smoke, learn to deal with smoky air every once in awhile. If you do smoke, don't be an ass about it. Pretty easy to me.
@cigar420 Secondhand smoke has harmful chemicals and smells bad. It has scientifically proven health effects in children AND adults (if prolonged exposure)
Seriously. smokers disgusting habit should not affect the health of those around them without consent.
Just because it has harmful chemicals doesn't mean it is dangerous (water has arsenic). To meet the levels of exposure presented in most studies, one would literally have to live in a lit cigarette. Take your self-righteous zealotry and leave.
@Petruccibear My father smoked A LOT, I was a baby, and he was around me all the time in our home. He would fill a coffee mug with ASHES in a single day.
Due to that, my developing olfactory was damaged and I do not have a sense of smell. I can taste foods just fine, but I have never been able to smell anything, only strong chemicals like alcohol. Directly caused by the house filled with secondhand smoke.
Anyone, who lives in a city that bans smoking in restaurants, can tell you: before those bans were in place there was not a single bar or restaurant you could go to that didn't allow smoking. You have the right to smoke outside the restaurant. I have the right to expect clean air.
Smoke all you want jsut dont get your nasty smoke in the way of my clean air. smoke in your car with your windows up or in your house. You have the right o breathe polluted air - Like I have the right to breathe clean air.
while i do hate smoke filled bars/clubs,(why i dont smoke) it should be up to the club itself to decide, just as it should be up to the person to decide.
@19dec1981 i'm sorry to hear that people you know developed lung problems, but what was the problem. if they needed to get fresh air, a new job is a good way to get rid of smoke filled bars. thier choice thier consequence.
I don't smoke. I don't plan to smoke. I don't have friends who smoke. These anti-smoking laws are complete bullshit. I grew up knowing that bars are where people go to smoke and drink. I grew up knowing that every restaurant has a smoking section separated from the non-smoking section. The Government shouldn't have the control to say where one can and can't smoke. If you don't like it when someone around you is smoking, move away from that person. Common Sense will set you free
They should allow camp fires in the restaurants too, nothing better than stinking up the joint with a good fire.
If you want to go smoke, don't stink up my place. Keep your choices but smokers don't understand that they stink or that they are stinking up the place and when you tell them, they don't believe you... that is until they quit and finally they smell the stench. I don't see any other way than regulating the hell out of the smokers. Inconsiderate stinking bastards!
If you don't want people to smoke in YOUR restaurant then don't let them but don't pass a law telling me I cant have smokers in my restaurant because you think it stinks, I think fascists stink so you cant come into my bar.
The other problem is smokers don't realize that they stink either, so to them, when people say you stink they just laugh at it without taking it seriously. That is until they quit and realize how much of a stinkers the other smokers are. So its like being a dude who doesn't realize he stinks and takes a shower once every 5 months then you go to the restaurant where it is common practice for these stinkers to come in and stink the joint up, how do you get around that issue?
If there was some campaigns going out like "hey dude you stink" to bring the awareness of the effect of smoke on non smokers and teach smokers common courtesy and realize that the smoke they generate is pungent and thus, be cool and make be considerate about the fact that it stinks? Like common knowledge of farting in public, most people are concious of that, if smokers had same conscious about this, I think most people wouldn't go along with this harassment campaign.
Also from legal perspective, you must realize that smokers who are not allowed to exercise their free will in someone's restaurant can take the owners to court and give them hard time. So if I decide to persecute against smokers I then start crossing boundaries UNLESS it is the law. So it is a double edge sword I suppose. I don't have an answer to that, but one thing for certain, there's no black and white solution to anything. Someone ends up being screwed in those situations.
@rakataprime my grandma got lung cancer from second hand smoke ... and idont like smelling like a fucking ashtray and i also have asthma and an allergy to smoke ,so someone smoking could cause me to have an attack ..sorry Penn and Teller this isnt a winner .
@rakataprime : You got it buddy! Nice to see someone who comments on youtube who actually gets it! Ten stars for your comment that stands on it's own! It's too bad that most people don't have your common sense... at least in this case. Oh, and by the way, I'm not a smoker, and I hate smoking. But I love freedom a lot more than I hate smoking.
It is! I smoke cigars and pipes and it is SUCH a money pit. But it's just something I enjoy and it's how I choose to piss my money away. To each his own.
"...nice taste to it" is an opinion. Some folks would say that cigarettes taste good. "...sugar, which gives you energy" is true, but if you partake in a healthy diet, you'll get all the sugar you need (which is VERY little). Candy can be just as, if not more so dangerous than smoking when looking at the health risks.
the difference is that by eating candy, i don't annoy anyone, and i don't start running out of breath when running, smelling like crap and feeling like crap when i can't get one(although sugar is addictive to some extent as well). but as i've stated, i don't eat much candy either
cigarettes are addictive. if people can't stop eating candy, that's just lack of self control. difference. "But everyone hates fat people, they breathe through their mouth and they smell like shit": keep your prejudices to yourself, i've never met an overweight person who fits that discription. and why all the focus on weight? the issue here is smoking. weight is irrelevant. don't change the subject. sorry to tell you, chump, but you've got no argument
It all depends on the individual. I know plenty of people on either side of the fence, those who have no trouble at all with their breathing and those that do. I wasn't trying to personally attack you or anything.
Clever thing you did with my handle there, by the way... oLIMPussound.
If only they had stuck to bad smelling argument. I highly doubt that dispersed smoke causes cancer, when it takes DECADES for concentrated smoke to kill the actual smoker. And, I'm a non-smoker, btw.
Both of which need a proof of ID, and as being an AMERICAN tax paying adult, I deserve that right. I heard that menthol is next,but after that is it flavored coffee? Because thats not good for your little tykes either (but at least you dont need ID for that).I'm an AMERICAN let me have my rights!
My cloves are being banned because they are too flavored? Which tempts kids? If you rightous parents preached to your kids the way you did to us then I would still have my choice! What next a ban of flavored liquor?
Number 1. I'm a smoker who is very respectful to non-smokers (I dont smoke inside I follow the rules and even pick out a spot outside that is remote just to smoke without any problems, but if you and your kid decide to stand next to me DONT COMPLAIN). 2. Joe Churner aren't there more apt causes to put your time and money towards like poverty or relief funds?
So then shouldn't I have a right to keep that lady with the thick eyebrows out of my sight? She's hurting my eyes a lot worse than my second-hand smoke is hurting anyone's lungs.
As a bar owner DEEPLY effected by the ban, I honestly feel that there could have been a better solution. The bottom line is, the Gov't is pussy-farting with the issue. If they have such a hard-on for the health hazards of smoking, THEN JUST BAN CIGARETTES! PERIOD! If not, then give the business owner a choice. What Gov't should've done was offer a smoking licence. A BS piece of paper that says I'm a smoking establishment. As a business owner, I would pay a yearly fee to hold this licence.....
...smoking and non-smoking establishments are created, customers and employees have a choice, and the Gov't gets to make some money. The by-laws are so harsh in my area that I cannot have smoking of my large OUTDOOR patio. This is funny since my patio is 50ft away from a major road. The guests on my patio, breath in more bad air from the passing cars then they would second hand smoke! WHAT A FRIGGIN' JOKE.. and in the mean time, I'm going broke!
Yeah, because that's freedom. YOU get what you want at the detriment of everyone around you...
Jesus, no wonder America is so screwed. It's populated by selfish pricks like this Usagi shithead. If you've got Asthma that's YOUR PROBLEM, NOT MINE!
The thing is, it's detrimental to me- to my health. If a smoker doesn't smoke, that doesn't affect their health. They can always do it somewhere else. But smoke inhalation is dangerous to me. Pretty fucking dangerous thanks. And when we get down to it, I think my life is more important than someone's nicotine fix.
I don't care if you smoke, just don't do it around me. Thanks.
"I think my life is more important than everyone else's." -Usagibunnneh
Sorry Usagi, I didn't realize the world revolved around you and that people should quit smoking because you're lame ass has asthma.
Again, YOUR PROBLEM. NOT MINE. You can't be around smoke, don't be around smoke. Trying to tell me NOT TO SMOKE because you can't be around it is bullshit.
I'll come kill you... and cut your body in halves...
sorry.. it's your problem.. not mine...
this problem is simply based upon the simple aspect of; RESPECT... as many smokers do not have because of their stupid addiction... or lack of respect itself...
@Usagibunnneh, It's certainly not more dangerous to you than the food you eat.Even if cigarette smoke has 4000 chemicals in it in small quantities, an avarage every day food intake has around 10000 much worse chemicals in it. I've read somewhere that dairy products are 3 times more cancerous than cigarette smoke and still considered harmless.
They can prove all they want that second hand smoke doesnt cause health effects. And I still wouldnt care, even if it is true. The smoker is the odd ball here, and I am just trying to breathe fresh air. If you want to smoke and do something unnatural to your body, you can do so away from me and others.
Sure can. Just move on away from me. Frankly, the very words of the ignorant and smug who buy this crap cause hearing damage, so we're going to have to ask you to stop talking.
Also the "non-smoking" section is just a lowered dose of the smoke. Since everyone from the 90s remembered that in most states, when "smoking sections" were segregated, the smoke would just travel to the other areas. NO ONE CARES if you smoke somewhere else. YOU ARE THE UNNATURAL minority, we only want to breathe oxygen. Go somewhere else with the marijuana and crack smokers.
Awesome, demonizing the use of a legal product with the use of illegal substances with strong psychoactive effects. I'm overwelmed by your logical soundness. I don't know where you were eating, but non smoking sections by law in MN had an air exchange unit sepereated from the ventilation system of the rest of the establishment. About as much air comingled as did that from smokers outside the builiding.
Oh and by the way, that friend I told you about. He is making sure that everywhere he goes he will spread this message in schools. About the dangers of second hand smoke. To insure that young people become a next generation against people like yourself. Who would rather blame it on some "industrial product" that supposedly caused the cancer. One problem though, since he was a child when this happened, and got the cancer in his teens. You probably use drugs too, your name suits you as well.
Interesting. A large number of adolescent cancer patients were found to be exposed to HPV (Genital warts) pre-natally throught their mother. Its good to see hes promating antagonism amongst the youth of America for they way others choose to live their lives. We've been running low on school shootings lately. Hopefully sprinkles in a little anti-semitism and homophobia as well. And for the record, I'm an assman. Hence, the nome de plume.
Are you gonna prove to me that it was caused by HPV? Are you going to go and test his mother and him? You go ahead and ruin your health, I dont care about you. But dont do that near anyone else. Also, I dont see how any of the other subjects you brought up have anything to do with smoking. So where do you get your information from? Let me guess, its promoted by your favorite tobacco company? It still delights me to know that you will keep your poison to yourself thanks to new laws.
Peer reviewed medical journals that aren't thinly disguised lobbyist groups. You know, real scientists. The New England Journal of Medicine is a good place to start. Link once such publication making 2nd hand smoke claims. My main issue this whole phenomenon is it is telling business owners what they can and can't do with their own business. Its totalitarism at its finest. The irony of your impending emphyzema from working around molten metal will just be too much. The universe might explode.
Its amazing why people like you want so bad to smoke around others. Just smoke somewhere else, why is that so hard for you? For someone who uses "medical research" I can link you many sites that support secondhand smoke as harmful. But of course you will just disregard it somehow and state your own claims as true. By the way, I am a blacksmith who recreates ancient arms and armour. Only a complete idiot like you would take someones name to mean ignorance. Enjoy your poison and die please.
I don't give a flying fuck who smokes after all it's their body not mine, but I hate when people smoke while I eat. I don't know why but it's I just find it disgusting.
Let me tell you a story which your pride Im sure will prevent you from caring. I know someone who had throat cancer because of his exposure to second hand smoke. His voice box has been removed because of it. Now he has to talk with a machine, and has a hole in his chest to breathe through. He never smoked in his life. If anyone here is ignorant, its YOU and all the others that bring your poison to other people. I DONT WANT TO BREATHE WHAT YOU SMOKE. You can do that at home and else where.
Great science. He couldn't possibly have worked around or used any number of industrial products in his life time that have been banned recently due to their carcinogenic effects. He couldn't possibly have been an unlucky man so misfortunate that he stumbled upon your company. Coincidence does not prove causation. Medieval Man suits you as your understanding of science seem to be on par with that era.
What makes me happy is to know that your poison will stay with you. Now that these laws have become more popular. I want you to think about this when they remove a lung, or give you chemotherapy. Im glad that you are upset that oxygen breathers have taken over "your rights". I have a smile on my face right now. Knowing that it upsets you this much, that you would reject anything I say, and insult people. Because you cant share your poison everytime you have a craving in a restaurant. :-)
@TheMedievalMan, passive smoking is a scam. Please Google "The passive smoking fraud", it's interesting, how the data is being fudged to push an agenda. And fanatical non-smokers are in the minority. Most non-smokers are tolerant people.
Thats funny, because cigarette smoking is a scam too. See, they convince you to buy these little sticks of carcinogens. And when you use it enough, it gets you addicted. Then you go around and spread this poison to other people. Until you outlive your purpose to the companies, and die of disease. Then people like you have the nerve to tell me, that its I who have to live with others smoking in my face. Thats okay, keep your poison to yourself. This is one time where liberals are useful.
Everyone already knows smoking is bad. Don't blame the tobacco companies. You can't use that as a fallback anymore seeing as the truth came out long ago. Personal accountability come into play.
@TheMedievalMan, You hate the smell- fair enough, I understand, but apart from the smell you have nothing to worry about. If you don't want carcinogens around you you can stop driving, eating and drinking because, those are in everything. There's NO evidence that anybody got cancer or died from passive smoking. Grilling releases much more carcinogens into the air than passive smoking. "The Dose Determines the Poison"
Sorry buddy, already heard it before. I have no choice with the other carcinogens. But smokers can be told to smoke somewhere else. I cant remember the last time I heard of a car that runs off of tobacco. And Im tired of the "prove to me that it affects my health" crowd like Penn and Teller, and people like yourself. I dont have to prove anything to anyone. I DONT WANT TO BREATHE IT IN... PERIOD. Maybe my neighbors will like it if I expose my septic tank, and blow the smell their way.
@TheMedievalMan. As I said, fair enough-you don't like smoking. I understand that. btw, Hitler didn't like smoking either. That's why he invented passive smoking. Peace.
Very true, he also helped with the VW bug, believed in animal rights, gun confiscation, evolution, occultism, traditional roles for women, anti-communism, universal health care, and he was even a fan of Groucho Marx, despite he was jewish (some say thats why he had that mustache). All of which we can all agree, or disagree on. Just because Hitler liked/disliked something, doesnt mean we should change our view on it.
You don't get it. Without proof, there is nothing. NOTHING. If you want to illegalize something, thus restricting MY RIGHTS, then you damn well better have proof that what you claim is fact. Just because you don't like something that doesn't give you the right to stop others from doing it. As for your point about cars not running off of tobacco? What the fuck does that have to do with it? Tobacco is probably less damaging than the shit that cars DO run on.
@ismarbeton If you actually watch this episode in full you will notice that they do in fact state that both first and second hand smoke have no significant scientific data to prove nor disprove that they are harmful. The very scientific data people use to say smoking, and second hand smoke, cause cancer only used the facts they wanted to use. In fact there studies show the opposite. Here is an example of the study. 2/10 containers filled with 50 mice that were exposed to smoke had 1/10 die.
ReallifeSuperman 1 month ago
@ReallifeSuperman Please note that my example is not an exact representation of there results but is similar to how the studies went. The scientists ignored the mice that lived and focused on those that died as a bases for there 3,000+ smokers die statement. Therefore there data was found flawed and dismissed my a federal judge.
ReallifeSuperman 1 month ago
Anti-smoking people are elitists who see themselves as superior and therefore know better what you should do with your life than you do. It's not like people aren't aware of the dangers of first hand smoke, people who smoke know perfectly that the cigarettes will eventually fuck up their lungs, but they still choose to do it, why should anyone care then?
lasseplatburk 2 months ago
The South Park episode "Butt Out" makes a very good statement about this subject
lasseplatburk 2 months ago
i always thought that the anti smoking hysteria went a bit to far - or at least should stop there - i mean its good that you don't have to breath in smoke in restaurants -but in bars??
but i was a bit surprised about their statement about scientific evidence - maybe im naive but i don't just think that all sources refer just to one study - and sorry if you are from an "free market" think tank - you are no neutral source for me
wildhias 2 months ago
Extremely stupid episode. So, first hand smoking is bad, but second hand NOT AT ALL??? Just a bunch of clowns, sponsored by the tobacco industry.
ismarbeton 3 months ago
@ismarbeton Haha, yeah. They work for NASA too, AND big pharma.
God, you're such a cliche.
CoralineWinter 3 months ago
@ismarbeton Shut up,you nazi cunt....its not your lungs
Dalbert342 3 months ago
@ismarbeton
They are governed by logic, something you apparently know nothing of. The argument is against it's classification as a carcinogen. Please try again.
Petruccibear 1 month ago
Having lived in New York for a year and half but being a native of Oregon, they smoke a HELL of a lot more in New York - but the ban on smoking in bars and restaurants in Oregon was also years earlier. There were definitely some protests, but I think New York had us beat.
EmilyDNelson 3 months ago
thousands of people die each year from second hand smoke. That being said, we should only be allowed to ban smoking in public places never private (unless it is affecting people on another property, which I doubt. Or if you are taking care of kids)
MacabreManifesto 4 months ago
@MacabreManifesto I am not sure this argument necessarily holds. There are certain business practices that we would expect to be illegal because of needless danger. Let us imagine a workshop that because of bad ventilation caused a 25% increase in cases of lung cancer, would we not insist that they provide better ventilation. This is the case we are dealing with.
nospacesallowed 3 months ago
@MacabreManifesto
I like the part where you cite your research.
Petruccibear 1 month ago
Love this episode!!!
chaotic86neutral 5 months ago
I hate secondhand smoke and I'm glad it's banned in restaurants and pubs here in Ireland. It's not that I'm paranoid that every puff of bad air will give me cancer, I just feel instantly nauseous at the smell of the stuff. It's also great that the air in most buildings is now safe for anyone who already has a breathing problem, e.g. asthma.
NiamhFrancisPianist 5 months ago
@NiamhFrancisPianist fuck off you bent twat.
planet1000 4 months ago
@NiamhFrancisPianist
I have asthma, and know people who are so sensitive they can't stand the smell of markers. We hang out in smoke-filled casinos sometimes. It doesn't bother them.
Petruccibear 1 month ago
This episode only focuses on LUNG CANCER.
Secondhand smoke causes a lot of DIFFERENT conditions. Penn and Teller only focuses on "lung cancer"
bio2020 6 months ago
wheres the episode with ron jeremy?
samhoe111 7 months ago
"where the fuck did HE come from?hahaha
SuperDaLINKwent 7 months ago
2nd hand smoke is bs
Thenicereviewguy 8 months ago
OK lets say I like farting a lot and kept farting every 5 minutes in a smokers face. Would it be fair to say "If you don't like it don't come in here cause I like farting" or it should be me who should stop??
Maybe second hand smoking doesn't cause cancer but it is unpleasant and we should respect others a little bit.
bloodyfrets 8 months ago
@bloodyfrets Farting is natural. In my opinion, the person who doesn't like the smell of my farts can go fuck himself.
Sclunger 7 months ago
I agree with the "Don't go in places where people smoke"
I don't smoke, so I avoid those places.
Cornwiggle 8 months ago
I'm a non-smoker, and I know that secondhand smoke being dangerous is bullshit, albeit disgusting. Too many non-smokers are fucking crybabies.
AttackMyAss 8 months ago 6
Penn and Teller belong to the Cato Institute which is funded by Phillip Morris and R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company. They are magicians, THEIR JOB IS TO DECEIVE YOU!! Look at the studies yourself. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2515267/
myndy86 9 months ago
those protesters seem EXTREMELY educated and NOT ignorant assholes AT ALL....
april0293 9 months ago
Why can't anti smokers see how hypocritical they are ? I'm a non smoker, but I don't have the right to tell someome they can't smoke. If someone is smoking and it bothers me I fucking move!
IdiotJedi 9 months ago 6
@IdiotJedi "I'm just gonna be swinging my arms and walking forward, and if you should happen to get hit: It's your own fault"
antihax91 3 months ago
@antihax91 If I don't get out of the way after clearly seeing you coming then YES I would deserve to get hit
IdiotJedi 1 month ago
"every health and scientific organization around the world.... like surgeon general, american lung association, american heart association, american cancer society"
The world is America to this guy apparently
tIs4gatorbait 10 months ago
I dont smoke, but i dont complain to people that they smoke. I go outside with my friends when they go for a smoke, jsut so I can talk with them. Shure, im greatful that its been banned in bars. Well, I would more like to have ROOMS for smokers in bars, but hey, my clothes started tos mell, and the bars/clubs air was a lot more stuffier, less time to dance before I would get exausted for the "lack" of air. And as a non smoker, I think the laws are getting too far these days...
narmolania 11 months ago
I find the perfume and cologne you wear to be of a foul odor. It gets in my hair and my clothes and gives me a terrible headache. A simple google search for 'health risks of perfume' brings up a myriad of warnings and risks. I do not want my pregnant wife breathing your dangerous second hand perfume. We must pass a LAW NOW banning this dangerous substance from being allowed into a restaurant I eat at. I do not care about your right to wear or put into your body what you choose.
skriddler 11 months ago
@skriddler Okay, I'll stop wearing perfume but I will insist on my right to bring a drumset and play the drums right next to you while you eat.
fragentofte 10 months ago
Forget scientific experiments for a second and actually think! How smart do you have to be to figure out that breathing in smoke isn't good for you?!
I usually agree with Penn and Teller and I love their show but not this one, why should children and people who make a point not to smoke have to still breathe it in when they go out to eat?!
CountryGirlatheart9 1 year ago
And dont fucking tell me, "Dont go there".
Iwatchtrek 1 year ago
You are infringing on my rights by doing something that affects me just because I am near you. I don't care if smoking isn't harmful. Your rights as an individual do not encompass being able to do whatever you want to me just because you have a bad habit. I don't want to smell like shit just by eating in a restaurant.
Iwatchtrek 1 year ago
@Iwatchtrek That's exactly what I am going to 'fucking tell you'. Don't go there. If you disagree with something, or a business, speak WITH YOUR WALLET. There is nothing that hurts them more than not receiving your $. If enough people agree with you the business will have to change it's rules or go under. This is how proper free market and the persuasion by CHOICE work. Not by a bunch of whiny fucks making up test conclusions and passing more LAWS.
skriddler 11 months ago
@skriddler Or I could tell you to realize you're hurting yourself? But I guess thats too much to ask.
Iwatchtrek 11 months ago
@Iwatchtrek It is MY choice to hurt or help myself, not yours nor the governments. Would you like someone to start denying you something or somewhere to go because in their opinion you are hurting yourself? Do you drink Coke? I think you are hurting yourself and can show proof it is unhealthy, I want to pass laws to keep you from it. Do you jog? I think it is bad on your knees and want to pass laws to make you stop. Do you watch TV? It is bad on your eyes and I want to pass laws to make you stop
skriddler 11 months ago
1) You can't run scientific tests on the effects of second hand smoke for the same reason you can't run tests on the effects of splashing acid in someones face: potentially harmful experiments like that just don't get past the ethics board.
2) For libertarian douche bags who are arguing 'You can't tell me what to do! I have the right to smoke if I choose to!' Why aren't you campaigning to legalize every single drug ever concocted? Surely its the right of anyone who wants to use them to do so?
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RouksAdtas 1 year ago
I usually love Penn & Teller episodes, but this one is garbage.
Even if you IGNORE the health effects, second hand smoke GETS INTO FABRICS...your clothes SMELL.
Why should anyone have to be exposed to stinky clothes and health effects because you want to smoke? Go outside.
bio2020 1 year ago
I totally agree with the principle that on your property, in your business, you should be able to allow of ban smoking. Not the government. I am a (light) smoker. Who really misses smoking in bars. However, I worked in a restaurant before, during and after the smoking ban came into effect in my city. And to be very honest, it was a much more pleasant place to work without cigarette smoke everywhere. All employees and most customers agreed. So, there's that. For whatever that's worth.
stperkin 1 year ago
whats worse are the third hand smoke idiots cropping up lmao.
bottle2lip 1 year ago
@bottle2lip ,third hand ??? people get sick from smelling my clothes
ogmasterkiller 1 year ago
The real issue here is that the smoking culture poison's our kids to smoke, and it is in our interest as a utilitarian society to remove smoking from our society. And this is a first step in that direction.
IBOPM 1 year ago
@IBOPM Don't want your kids to smoke? raise them not too. But it is NOT the right of the Gov. to raise my children.
Claybird08 1 year ago
Last year there was an ad claiming that million school absences were due to second hand smoke. Now THAT'S bullshit! When smoking was at its zenith in the 1950s at 70%, were the schools 3/4 empty every day? Why isn't the Baby Boomer generation dying off like flies from cancer because the parents smoked? The time has come to stop this "spreading a lie until it becomes a truth" crap that Hitler and Goebbels theorized, and apparently accurately.
stealthsatrist07 1 year ago
"We did find weak evidence of a dose-response relationship between the risk of lung cancer and exposure to spousal and workplace ETS."
...if it weren't statistically significant, they would have said "no association." Do you think that the childhood study showed the same numbers down the board? No, there was a difference, one way or the other, as there always is, but it wasn't statistically significant; that's what "no association" means!
What it probably is is out to 2 sigma but not 4.
IoEstasCedonta 1 year ago
I smoke and I go out of my way to not smoke near other people. My home happens to be in an area with a lot of children since I attend the University of Utah and the campus is close to many residential areas. That being said SLC has among the worst smog problems in the country due to automobiles. Yet I am the problem...
therush1892 1 year ago
@therush1892 It's OK to pollute the air with any amount of carcinogenic chemicals as long as it comes from your car exhaust.
Withnail1969 1 year ago
8:37 - So, literally a few seconds after attacking EPA for cherry picking key points to suit them, they go and highlight this sentence, pretending the one after it doesn't exist? Fucking hypocrisy at its best.
This show is bullshit.
SkullXII 1 year ago
I dont know what gutter they dug these doctors up from... but if I do a simple pubmed search there is 1000's of papers offering evidence. I admit its hard 4 the average joe to understand papers talking about receptors and operons etc... but it only takes half a brain cell to work out that if smoking causes cancer, indirectly breathing in toxins will have the same effect. But hey believe the Magicians haha, I c peple who lived in denial in ther death beds constantly, its just more money 4 me :)
pondsj01 1 year ago
But in a BAR? You're growing a brick in your guts, why not start Two in your chest? Be productive, make it a hobby! BTW, every anti smoker I know smokes pot like a bandit
Kingofcorrect 1 year ago
Fucking smokers fucking up my air, that's why I stay inside my house. >:(
000animefreak 1 year ago
"The government is trying to run my life" is a non-issue, and I'm less likely to pay attention when they play that card.
EdgarDirby 1 year ago
I don't know what those two smokers are smiling about at 3:20. Go visit them after they get lung cancer and see how much they're smiling then. I'm glad to see the smoking bans. If you want to kill yourself go right on ahead but you don't have the right to blow your cancer in my face
fasteddie847 1 year ago
@fasteddie847 Well said!
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Also I think we should ban that HORRIBLE shirt you're wearing. Just because you enjoy ugly fashion, doesn't mean I have to subject my eyes to it
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I'd also like to ban bikinis, because I don't think I need to subject myself to your ugly ass. Plus let's ban computers, because they encourage slothfulness and obesity. America needs to cut its government-paid health expenses, so no more PCs or TVs
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end sarcasm. POINT - Your are an anti-freedom communist
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harleykman 1 year ago
@harleykman No I'm not. If you want to smoke that's fine. Smoke a carton per day. Second hand smoke is dangerous. Smoking has proven to be dangerous. Causes all kinds of cancers, heart disease, etc. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that if smoking is bad then the stuff you exhale is bad also. my tshirt, bikinis, computers might be irritating to you but they don't harm your physical health
fasteddie847 1 year ago
@harleykman Freedom to destroy your health should not be extended to harming another person’s health. You are an insane person if you believe freedom is absolute.
chopin65 1 year ago
Although that second hand smoke is dangerous it should be up to the owner to decide if he lets his customers smoke in his restaurant. I live in the Netherlands and many bars have money problems now because of the smoking ban because they are losing customers. You would too if all your customers smoked. The small bars in the Netherlands only have local customers and some of them do have it that most customers do smoke.
hobbitsarecool 1 year ago
@hobbitsarecool In public places it should be banned. People choose to smoke, well that is their choice. But that right should end where it infringes on the rights of non smokers. The argument that it should be up to business owners is crazy. Would you risk your health for money?
chopin65 1 year ago
@chopin65
I live in the Netherlands and a lot of cafes are going bankrupt now because no one is allowed to smoke there anymore. When 90% of you clients smoke, and the rest don't care whether there is smoke or not, by implementing a ban you are putting those places in situations where the cafe will need to close down due to their financial situation. As a nonsmoker, you can always choose to not go to a place where smoking is allowed.
hobbitsarecool 1 year ago
90% of the Netherland cafe patrons smoke? Some quick research that I just did doesn't suggest those numbers. I read that there has been a crack down on marijuana sales but the truth is the highest percentage is at about 60 percent in China. If 90 percent of Dutch people smoked then that is 90 percent dumb behavior. That is hardly something a person should brag about. The link between smoking and cancer is well established by health athorities world wide. I don't care what Penn and Teller claim.
chopin65 1 year ago
@chopin65
Did you even read my post? I said that there were some cafes where 90% of the patrons smoke. I never said that 90% of the dutch smoke. btw Penn has said that this episode was out of date since after the release of the episode, it was proven that second hand smoke was bad and he apologized for it. And why do you call it a dumb behavior? It is their choice and if they wanted to smoke why not let them. I know people who smoke who know the risks but do it anyway.
hobbitsarecool 1 year ago
@chopin65
I don't know about you but I find it cruel to let businesses go bankrupt because of a law because he can't get anymore customers. Sorry but such a ban is legislating behavior which I find wrong. The government should have no right to tell you what you do with your body. And like I said, as a nonsmoker, you can always go to a place where people don't smoke.
hobbitsarecool 1 year ago
So you place profit above public health and comfort? You’re what I call a real old fashioned capitalist. These guys are paid actors spouting off the opinion of a couple of minority voices in a sea of medical expertise. There have been other studies since that have proven the harmful effects of second hand smoke. Arsenic, lead, cadmium, ammonia, carbon monoxide, hydrogen cyanide are present in cigarette smoke along with a list of over 200 poisonous gasses. Please spare me the bullshit
chopin65 1 year ago
@chopin65
And you place having an argument above reading my posts. Do you even bother reading what I type. I put the choice of the individual to choose to smoke or not, or to go to a cafe where smoking is allowed or not, above the legislating a behavior where government has no right to be. And yes I do agree with you that there are adverse affects to fists and second hand smoke.
hobbitsarecool 1 year ago
@chopin65
But like I said before, if the owner of a cafe wants to allow smoking there it HIS choice to do so if he wants it because it is HIS cafe, and no one should be able to allow to say that you are not allowed to smoke there. The fact that you did not see this shows me you have not read my posts. You can always choose not to go there. I am not an old fashioned capitalist. This isn't about money, this is about freedom.
hobbitsarecool 1 year ago
@chopin65
The second the government tries to interfere with me and my body, and my property, they are violating my right to do what I want to do with them. So if an owner of a cafe wants to allow his patrons to smoke he is welcome to allow it. And did you not read also that there are cafes which are going bankrupt because of bad laws. What is worse, allowing people to work in a cafe filled with cigarette smoke because they choose it, or allowing them to go bankrupt.
hobbitsarecool 1 year ago
Libertarians defending shitty corporations?!?!?! SHOCKING!
Joe402 1 year ago
@Joe402 You don't think there's any restaurants worth defending?
FatherTime89 1 year ago
look it up on wikipedia and see the list of studies that proof the damage done by passive smoking
monkfg 1 year ago
They admitted in a later talk they were wrong about this fact, based on recent studies that came out at the time.
silverbackman 1 year ago
Maybe more people would like these guys if they chilled out and had a smoke.
litalearthquakes 1 year ago
Smokers are the new second-class citzens, and that's just bullshit. Human rights violations are always excused until it's too late to do anything about the prison of laws you eventually live under.
JoeDeceiver 1 year ago
@JoeDeceiver Second class citizens? That suggests that they have no choice in being persona non grata. Now that statement is "Bullshit." If you are part of a club that plays Russian roulette on weekends (for argument sake) and membership is down then remember that membership was voluntary!
chopin65 1 year ago
@chopin65 That would be due to their own choice, though. Nobody forced them to play. People are trying to force people not to smoke. That's bullshit.
JoeDeceiver 1 year ago
"Where the fuck did he come from" Penn
Lol
seanxvw 1 year ago
If you don't like the fact a bar/resturant allows smoking, then don't go into them.
mg5679 1 year ago
wow, so P&T always use science to argue against something, but they somehow choose to defend smoking? so the logic is, 'if you don't like smoke (from smokers), don't come to this bar'. But if they smoke everywhere, where the fuck do I go? How is that fair? Smoking is the biggest stupidity, it is 100% poison and a filthy habit and addiction. P&T are way too strange sometimes, they just defend their own beliefs, and they do so viciously.
LfunkeyA 1 year ago
They did admit in a later talk that they were wrong in that regard.
silverbackman 1 year ago
EPA LIED? MAKES YOU WONDER ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING,,,SORRY Climate Change
rogueJ 1 year ago
I can't believe people actually give a damn about this kind of stuff. If you don't smoke, learn to deal with smoky air every once in awhile. If you do smoke, don't be an ass about it. Pretty easy to me.
cigar420 1 year ago 8
@cigar420 Secondhand smoke has harmful chemicals and smells bad. It has scientifically proven health effects in children AND adults (if prolonged exposure)
Seriously. smokers disgusting habit should not affect the health of those around them without consent.
bio2020 6 months ago
@bio2020
Just because it has harmful chemicals doesn't mean it is dangerous (water has arsenic). To meet the levels of exposure presented in most studies, one would literally have to live in a lit cigarette. Take your self-righteous zealotry and leave.
Petruccibear 1 month ago
@Petruccibear My father smoked A LOT, I was a baby, and he was around me all the time in our home. He would fill a coffee mug with ASHES in a single day.
Due to that, my developing olfactory was damaged and I do not have a sense of smell. I can taste foods just fine, but I have never been able to smell anything, only strong chemicals like alcohol. Directly caused by the house filled with secondhand smoke.
bio2020 1 month ago
@bio2020
Your father was an American hero, you should salute him for smoking and making this country strong
Petruccibear 1 month ago
@bio2020 You have a sense of smell if you can taste food fine other than the basic tasteshit stuff that you recognise with your tastebuds.
Naxide 3 weeks ago
@cigar420 Too true, amigo!
chaotic86neutral 5 months ago
Anyone, who lives in a city that bans smoking in restaurants, can tell you: before those bans were in place there was not a single bar or restaurant you could go to that didn't allow smoking. You have the right to smoke outside the restaurant. I have the right to expect clean air.
olivemike81 1 year ago
Smoke all you want jsut dont get your nasty smoke in the way of my clean air. smoke in your car with your windows up or in your house. You have the right o breathe polluted air - Like I have the right to breathe clean air.
papermermaid 1 year ago 2
Sir,you produce CO2 when you exale...please cease and dessist post haste
Dalbert342 1 year ago 23
better go cover up campfires
volcom13xx 1 year ago
holy crap! check out 4:39's eyebrows!!!!
usd2bargr 2 years ago
while i do hate smoke filled bars/clubs,(why i dont smoke) it should be up to the club itself to decide, just as it should be up to the person to decide.
bacchusreborn 2 years ago
i know girls and they were bartenders, no smokers.
and after spending 2 years workin in a bar where there was smoking goin on they both developed lung problems
19dec1981 2 years ago
@19dec1981 i'm sorry to hear that people you know developed lung problems, but what was the problem. if they needed to get fresh air, a new job is a good way to get rid of smoke filled bars. thier choice thier consequence.
usd2bargr 2 years ago
That's right, after 2 years of not smoking they developed lung problems when it takes smokers nearly 50 years to develop lung problems.
Strike you as odd?
murphy3162 2 years ago
I don't smoke. I don't plan to smoke. I don't have friends who smoke. These anti-smoking laws are complete bullshit. I grew up knowing that bars are where people go to smoke and drink. I grew up knowing that every restaurant has a smoking section separated from the non-smoking section. The Government shouldn't have the control to say where one can and can't smoke. If you don't like it when someone around you is smoking, move away from that person. Common Sense will set you free
countD8852 2 years ago
They should allow camp fires in the restaurants too, nothing better than stinking up the joint with a good fire.
If you want to go smoke, don't stink up my place. Keep your choices but smokers don't understand that they stink or that they are stinking up the place and when you tell them, they don't believe you... that is until they quit and finally they smell the stench. I don't see any other way than regulating the hell out of the smokers. Inconsiderate stinking bastards!
denisbetsi 2 years ago
@denisbetsi
If you don't want people to smoke in YOUR restaurant then don't let them but don't pass a law telling me I cant have smokers in my restaurant because you think it stinks, I think fascists stink so you cant come into my bar.
rakataprime 2 years ago 35
That I don't have a problem with. I don't care much for the government looking "after" us.
There are certain things though like smoking in the entrance of the building where you have to get in and out and get smoked out. It's just nasty.
I think if smokers were more considerate about stinking people up in public that would be great. But that doesn't seam to be the case
Only issue with restaurants now is that you'll get 1 out of 20 people who smokes, who ruin the other 19 people's experience
denisbetsi 2 years ago
The other problem is smokers don't realize that they stink either, so to them, when people say you stink they just laugh at it without taking it seriously. That is until they quit and realize how much of a stinkers the other smokers are. So its like being a dude who doesn't realize he stinks and takes a shower once every 5 months then you go to the restaurant where it is common practice for these stinkers to come in and stink the joint up, how do you get around that issue?
denisbetsi 2 years ago
If there was some campaigns going out like "hey dude you stink" to bring the awareness of the effect of smoke on non smokers and teach smokers common courtesy and realize that the smoke they generate is pungent and thus, be cool and make be considerate about the fact that it stinks? Like common knowledge of farting in public, most people are concious of that, if smokers had same conscious about this, I think most people wouldn't go along with this harassment campaign.
denisbetsi 2 years ago
Also from legal perspective, you must realize that smokers who are not allowed to exercise their free will in someone's restaurant can take the owners to court and give them hard time. So if I decide to persecute against smokers I then start crossing boundaries UNLESS it is the law. So it is a double edge sword I suppose. I don't have an answer to that, but one thing for certain, there's no black and white solution to anything. Someone ends up being screwed in those situations.
denisbetsi 2 years ago
@rakataprime my grandma got lung cancer from second hand smoke ... and idont like smelling like a fucking ashtray and i also have asthma and an allergy to smoke ,so someone smoking could cause me to have an attack ..sorry Penn and Teller this isnt a winner .
gqprophet2010 1 year ago
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eimb1999 1 year ago
@rakataprime : You got it buddy! Nice to see someone who comments on youtube who actually gets it! Ten stars for your comment that stands on it's own! It's too bad that most people don't have your common sense... at least in this case. Oh, and by the way, I'm not a smoker, and I hate smoking. But I love freedom a lot more than I hate smoking.
eimb1999 1 year ago
I'm with Usagibunnneh; as a Type 1 diabetic, smoke also affects my health.
seilahqlq1 2 years ago
How many deaths have been proven to have been caused by passive smoking? -Not a single one :p
pharaoh337 2 years ago
even if smoking does not damage your health, its still a waste of time and money. simply pointless
1337DementedOne 2 years ago
It is! I smoke cigars and pipes and it is SUCH a money pit. But it's just something I enjoy and it's how I choose to piss my money away. To each his own.
UJS8X 2 years ago
So is candy, 1227DementedOne.
rougeliter 2 years ago
candy has a nice taste to it and it has sugar, which gives you energy. but i don't eat candy in general either
1337DementedOne 2 years ago
"...nice taste to it" is an opinion. Some folks would say that cigarettes taste good. "...sugar, which gives you energy" is true, but if you partake in a healthy diet, you'll get all the sugar you need (which is VERY little). Candy can be just as, if not more so dangerous than smoking when looking at the health risks.
rougeliter 2 years ago
the difference is that by eating candy, i don't annoy anyone, and i don't start running out of breath when running, smelling like crap and feeling like crap when i can't get one(although sugar is addictive to some extent as well). but as i've stated, i don't eat much candy either
1337DementedOne 2 years ago
"i don't annoy anyone" "running out of breath when running" "smelling like crap and feeling like crap when i can't get one"
Sorry to tell you champ. But everyone hates fat people, they breathe through their mouth and they smell like shit. They can't stop eating candy too.
Kamikazeesouled 2 years ago
cigarettes are addictive. if people can't stop eating candy, that's just lack of self control. difference. "But everyone hates fat people, they breathe through their mouth and they smell like shit": keep your prejudices to yourself, i've never met an overweight person who fits that discription. and why all the focus on weight? the issue here is smoking. weight is irrelevant. don't change the subject. sorry to tell you, chump, but you've got no argument
1337DementedOne 2 years ago
i dont know about cancer, but smo ke definately effects your breathing
olympussound 2 years ago
Hey olympissound, where did you study to get your medical degree? Do you currently have a private practice?
rougeliter 2 years ago
rougeliturd did you really ask that question?
if you had healthy lungs then started smoking you'd (i did) notice a difference after a couple months
olympussound 2 years ago
It all depends on the individual. I know plenty of people on either side of the fence, those who have no trouble at all with their breathing and those that do. I wasn't trying to personally attack you or anything.
Clever thing you did with my handle there, by the way... oLIMPussound.
COCK JOKE.
rougeliter 2 years ago
you started it rougeliTARD
olympussound 2 years ago
lol
rougeliter 2 years ago
wow, here in Norway there are laws against smoking in working spaces, restaurants, etc.
But I almost never heard about these arguments on "health".
Most of the arguments simply consisted of "it is annoying and it smells bad"
Hjernespreng 2 years ago
If only they had stuck to bad smelling argument. I highly doubt that dispersed smoke causes cancer, when it takes DECADES for concentrated smoke to kill the actual smoker. And, I'm a non-smoker, btw.
MeanGene79 2 years ago
Both of which need a proof of ID, and as being an AMERICAN tax paying adult, I deserve that right. I heard that menthol is next,but after that is it flavored coffee? Because thats not good for your little tykes either (but at least you dont need ID for that).I'm an AMERICAN let me have my rights!
MsAnthropy 2 years ago
My cloves are being banned because they are too flavored? Which tempts kids? If you rightous parents preached to your kids the way you did to us then I would still have my choice! What next a ban of flavored liquor?
MsAnthropy 2 years ago
Number 1. I'm a smoker who is very respectful to non-smokers (I dont smoke inside I follow the rules and even pick out a spot outside that is remote just to smoke without any problems, but if you and your kid decide to stand next to me DONT COMPLAIN). 2. Joe Churner aren't there more apt causes to put your time and money towards like poverty or relief funds?
MsAnthropy 2 years ago
So then shouldn't I have a right to keep that lady with the thick eyebrows out of my sight? She's hurting my eyes a lot worse than my second-hand smoke is hurting anyone's lungs.
alexh2006 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Smokers are fuckheads. End of story.
Loquaci 2 years ago
If it weren't for self-righteous assholes like you, people like me wouldn't feel the need to smoke in the first place.
alexh2006 2 years ago 3
self-righteous non-smokers are fuckheads
zakneifien 2 years ago 2
please, every fucking thing causes cancer
things that cause cancer :
1. Everything
2. Glenn Beck and the assholes from Fox news
iyanasan2 2 years ago 4
"Where the fuck did he come from?" LoL!
andyrooney11 2 years ago
At 9:04, turn it up loud, somebody's belly grumbles. ^_^
krookedsb23 2 years ago
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ed4prez 2 years ago
As a bar owner DEEPLY effected by the ban, I honestly feel that there could have been a better solution. The bottom line is, the Gov't is pussy-farting with the issue. If they have such a hard-on for the health hazards of smoking, THEN JUST BAN CIGARETTES! PERIOD! If not, then give the business owner a choice. What Gov't should've done was offer a smoking licence. A BS piece of paper that says I'm a smoking establishment. As a business owner, I would pay a yearly fee to hold this licence.....
ed4prez 2 years ago
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ed4prez 2 years ago
...smoking and non-smoking establishments are created, customers and employees have a choice, and the Gov't gets to make some money. The by-laws are so harsh in my area that I cannot have smoking of my large OUTDOOR patio. This is funny since my patio is 50ft away from a major road. The guests on my patio, breath in more bad air from the passing cars then they would second hand smoke! WHAT A FRIGGIN' JOKE.. and in the mean time, I'm going broke!
ed4prez 2 years ago
I just get annoyed with smokers because I have asthma and I don't like getting asthma attacks all the time :\
I'm glad they passed the bylaw about no smoking in bars so that I can actually go...
Usagibunnneh 2 years ago
Yeah, because that's freedom. YOU get what you want at the detriment of everyone around you...
Jesus, no wonder America is so screwed. It's populated by selfish pricks like this Usagi shithead. If you've got Asthma that's YOUR PROBLEM, NOT MINE!
BigYeti 2 years ago
Good thing America is screwed, I live in Canada.
The thing is, it's detrimental to me- to my health. If a smoker doesn't smoke, that doesn't affect their health. They can always do it somewhere else. But smoke inhalation is dangerous to me. Pretty fucking dangerous thanks. And when we get down to it, I think my life is more important than someone's nicotine fix.
I don't care if you smoke, just don't do it around me. Thanks.
Usagibunnneh 2 years ago
"I think my life is more important than everyone else's." -Usagibunnneh
Sorry Usagi, I didn't realize the world revolved around you and that people should quit smoking because you're lame ass has asthma.
Again, YOUR PROBLEM. NOT MINE. You can't be around smoke, don't be around smoke. Trying to tell me NOT TO SMOKE because you can't be around it is bullshit.
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elmstfreddie 2 years ago
that's like saying...
I'll come kill you... and cut your body in halves...
sorry.. it's your problem.. not mine...
this problem is simply based upon the simple aspect of; RESPECT... as many smokers do not have because of their stupid addiction... or lack of respect itself...
yajstylez 2 years ago
@Usagibunnneh, It's certainly not more dangerous to you than the food you eat.Even if cigarette smoke has 4000 chemicals in it in small quantities, an avarage every day food intake has around 10000 much worse chemicals in it. I've read somewhere that dairy products are 3 times more cancerous than cigarette smoke and still considered harmless.
pharaoh337 2 years ago
They can prove all they want that second hand smoke doesnt cause health effects. And I still wouldnt care, even if it is true. The smoker is the odd ball here, and I am just trying to breathe fresh air. If you want to smoke and do something unnatural to your body, you can do so away from me and others.
TheMedievalMan 2 years ago
Sure can. Just move on away from me. Frankly, the very words of the ignorant and smug who buy this crap cause hearing damage, so we're going to have to ask you to stop talking.
crackattack85 2 years ago
Also the "non-smoking" section is just a lowered dose of the smoke. Since everyone from the 90s remembered that in most states, when "smoking sections" were segregated, the smoke would just travel to the other areas. NO ONE CARES if you smoke somewhere else. YOU ARE THE UNNATURAL minority, we only want to breathe oxygen. Go somewhere else with the marijuana and crack smokers.
TheMedievalMan 2 years ago
Awesome, demonizing the use of a legal product with the use of illegal substances with strong psychoactive effects. I'm overwelmed by your logical soundness. I don't know where you were eating, but non smoking sections by law in MN had an air exchange unit sepereated from the ventilation system of the rest of the establishment. About as much air comingled as did that from smokers outside the builiding.
crackattack85 2 years ago
Oh and by the way, that friend I told you about. He is making sure that everywhere he goes he will spread this message in schools. About the dangers of second hand smoke. To insure that young people become a next generation against people like yourself. Who would rather blame it on some "industrial product" that supposedly caused the cancer. One problem though, since he was a child when this happened, and got the cancer in his teens. You probably use drugs too, your name suits you as well.
TheMedievalMan 2 years ago
Interesting. A large number of adolescent cancer patients were found to be exposed to HPV (Genital warts) pre-natally throught their mother. Its good to see hes promating antagonism amongst the youth of America for they way others choose to live their lives. We've been running low on school shootings lately. Hopefully sprinkles in a little anti-semitism and homophobia as well. And for the record, I'm an assman. Hence, the nome de plume.
crackattack85 2 years ago
Are you gonna prove to me that it was caused by HPV? Are you going to go and test his mother and him? You go ahead and ruin your health, I dont care about you. But dont do that near anyone else. Also, I dont see how any of the other subjects you brought up have anything to do with smoking. So where do you get your information from? Let me guess, its promoted by your favorite tobacco company? It still delights me to know that you will keep your poison to yourself thanks to new laws.
TheMedievalMan 2 years ago
Peer reviewed medical journals that aren't thinly disguised lobbyist groups. You know, real scientists. The New England Journal of Medicine is a good place to start. Link once such publication making 2nd hand smoke claims. My main issue this whole phenomenon is it is telling business owners what they can and can't do with their own business. Its totalitarism at its finest. The irony of your impending emphyzema from working around molten metal will just be too much. The universe might explode.
crackattack85 2 years ago
Its amazing why people like you want so bad to smoke around others. Just smoke somewhere else, why is that so hard for you? For someone who uses "medical research" I can link you many sites that support secondhand smoke as harmful. But of course you will just disregard it somehow and state your own claims as true. By the way, I am a blacksmith who recreates ancient arms and armour. Only a complete idiot like you would take someones name to mean ignorance. Enjoy your poison and die please.
TheMedievalMan 2 years ago
I don't give a flying fuck who smokes after all it's their body not mine, but I hate when people smoke while I eat. I don't know why but it's I just find it disgusting.
bezenartw 2 years ago
So sit in the non-smoking section.
crackattack85 2 years ago
Let me tell you a story which your pride Im sure will prevent you from caring. I know someone who had throat cancer because of his exposure to second hand smoke. His voice box has been removed because of it. Now he has to talk with a machine, and has a hole in his chest to breathe through. He never smoked in his life. If anyone here is ignorant, its YOU and all the others that bring your poison to other people. I DONT WANT TO BREATHE WHAT YOU SMOKE. You can do that at home and else where.
TheMedievalMan 2 years ago
Great science. He couldn't possibly have worked around or used any number of industrial products in his life time that have been banned recently due to their carcinogenic effects. He couldn't possibly have been an unlucky man so misfortunate that he stumbled upon your company. Coincidence does not prove causation. Medieval Man suits you as your understanding of science seem to be on par with that era.
crackattack85 2 years ago
What makes me happy is to know that your poison will stay with you. Now that these laws have become more popular. I want you to think about this when they remove a lung, or give you chemotherapy. Im glad that you are upset that oxygen breathers have taken over "your rights". I have a smile on my face right now. Knowing that it upsets you this much, that you would reject anything I say, and insult people. Because you cant share your poison everytime you have a craving in a restaurant. :-)
TheMedievalMan 2 years ago
@TheMedievalMan, passive smoking is a scam. Please Google "The passive smoking fraud", it's interesting, how the data is being fudged to push an agenda. And fanatical non-smokers are in the minority. Most non-smokers are tolerant people.
pharaoh337 2 years ago
Thats funny, because cigarette smoking is a scam too. See, they convince you to buy these little sticks of carcinogens. And when you use it enough, it gets you addicted. Then you go around and spread this poison to other people. Until you outlive your purpose to the companies, and die of disease. Then people like you have the nerve to tell me, that its I who have to live with others smoking in my face. Thats okay, keep your poison to yourself. This is one time where liberals are useful.
TheMedievalMan 2 years ago
Everyone already knows smoking is bad. Don't blame the tobacco companies. You can't use that as a fallback anymore seeing as the truth came out long ago. Personal accountability come into play.
VogtTD 2 years ago
@TheMedievalMan, You hate the smell- fair enough, I understand, but apart from the smell you have nothing to worry about. If you don't want carcinogens around you you can stop driving, eating and drinking because, those are in everything. There's NO evidence that anybody got cancer or died from passive smoking. Grilling releases much more carcinogens into the air than passive smoking. "The Dose Determines the Poison"
pharaoh337 2 years ago
Sorry buddy, already heard it before. I have no choice with the other carcinogens. But smokers can be told to smoke somewhere else. I cant remember the last time I heard of a car that runs off of tobacco. And Im tired of the "prove to me that it affects my health" crowd like Penn and Teller, and people like yourself. I dont have to prove anything to anyone. I DONT WANT TO BREATHE IT IN... PERIOD. Maybe my neighbors will like it if I expose my septic tank, and blow the smell their way.
TheMedievalMan 2 years ago
@TheMedievalMan. As I said, fair enough-you don't like smoking. I understand that. btw, Hitler didn't like smoking either. That's why he invented passive smoking. Peace.
pharaoh337 2 years ago
Very true, he also helped with the VW bug, believed in animal rights, gun confiscation, evolution, occultism, traditional roles for women, anti-communism, universal health care, and he was even a fan of Groucho Marx, despite he was jewish (some say thats why he had that mustache). All of which we can all agree, or disagree on. Just because Hitler liked/disliked something, doesnt mean we should change our view on it.
TheMedievalMan 2 years ago
@TheMedievalMan. Yes, I agree with you on that one.
pharaoh337 2 years ago
You don't get it. Without proof, there is nothing. NOTHING. If you want to illegalize something, thus restricting MY RIGHTS, then you damn well better have proof that what you claim is fact. Just because you don't like something that doesn't give you the right to stop others from doing it. As for your point about cars not running off of tobacco? What the fuck does that have to do with it? Tobacco is probably less damaging than the shit that cars DO run on.