In proving your point about Qur'an 4:24, you cited references from supporting texts, ie Tafsir, Hadith etc. If the Qur'anic commandment was explicit about it, you wouldn't have done that. No verse that commands doing Muta in Qur'an, so no verse needed to abrogate it. You take help of supportive texts, Supportive texts clarify that it was forbidden. Qur'an 9:100 refutes your point that it was wrongfully forbidden, since Umar(ra) is among those about whom the verse explicitly refers to!
@artistdigital Umar forbade Muta BUT it CANNOT be applied as an Islamic law because this is going against the law of Allah in his book. Mutah is a mercy from Allah to his servants to practice. The hadiths that you provided me containing the idea that the Prophet forbade mutah IS A FABRICATION. I'd like you to answer this question for me. If Mutah is Haraam then for what reason would it be haraam and why is it that Prophet Muhammad (saw) permitted it in the first place? everything needs a reason
@SuperiorRationalism And the first forerunners [in the faith] among the Muhajireen and the Ansar and those who followed them with good conduct - Allah is pleased with them and they are pleased with Him, and He has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide forever. That is the great attainment. Qur'an 9:100
Shia hate Umar(ra) because he introduce Islam to fire worshipers.
@SuperiorRationalism I'll give you many reasons! If its a fabrication, a rewayah won't be repeated with different chain of transmitters, and won't be present in both Shia and Sunni books. It was a practice prevalent in youmal jahilyaa! Its Prostitution!! Bodies are not for sale, and sex is not an instrument of pleasure alone!!
The good of Mutah, that Iran cites is that if the cook does Muta with the daughter of Boss, his wife can roam around without doing parda from him!
'Ali was told that Ibn 'Abbas did not see any harm in the Mut'a marriage.'Ali said, "Allah's Apostle forbade the Mut'a marriage on the Day of the battle of Khybar and he forbade the eating of donkey's meat." Some people said, "If one, by a tricky way, marries temporarily, his marriage is illegal." Others said, "The marriage is valid but its condition is illegal."
@SuperiorRationalism Umar(ra) was a Khaleef, and head of the state. He forbade it, declaring it punishable, since there is no room for prostitution in Islam! Everyone loves sex, and there is no logical reason of banning anything that everyone enjoys, if it doesn't have any harm in it. So, if we assume that Umar(ra) banned it, there must be some benefit that would have been gained from it? Whats the incentive?
@SuperiorRationalism The opinion of Ibn Abass(ra) that you quote, has refutation in the same colection of hadith, that Ali(ra) disagreed with his notion, and that he was informed that it was banned on the day of Khyber, and Ibn Abbas(ra) himself clarified that what he meant was similar view to that of pork or other harm things, in times of extreme necessity!
@artistdigital Dude you are soo arrogant, I have already proven that Mutah has been revealed in the Quran at 4:24 with 8 sunni references to authentic scholar's tafsiir of 4:24, hadiths from the most authentic books like Sahih Albukhari and the fact that this is in consensus with the shia faith. Also Prophet Muhammad (saw) permitted Mutah. This obvious evidence that this act of permitting mutah is done because Allah told him to and so it had to be revealed in the Quran.
@artistdigital After all why do you think he is the messenger of Allah for? There is no valid evidence that Mutah is forbidden and the Quran does not mention that it is forbidden. Imam Jafar (as) never declared that mutah is zina and Imam Ali (as) never said it was forbidden so don’t lie about my Imams based on fabricated hadiths. The Imams beliefs must synchronise with the Quran and this goes the same with our Prophet. They CANNOT say anything that goes against the Quran.
"(...Except the forbidden women) the rest are lawful unto you to seek them with gifts from your property (i.e., dowry), provided that you desire protection (from sin), not fornication.
It obviously says "NOT FORNICATION" so mutah is not zina.
Ibn Abbas was asked: "Is Mut'a fornication or marriage?"
He answered: 'Neither the one nor the other.'
[Reference: Tafsir al-Kabir, by Fakhr al-Razi, v3, p286]
@artistdigital I don’t see the point with the Quranic verse 9:100 because it has nothing to do with the topic. "Shia hate Umar(ra) because he introduce Islam to fire worshipers." You have completely changed the subject which is a really big mistake you've done and btw the true shias do not hate Umar they hate his unlawful actions that were against Islam. For you to change the subject shows you can't counteract my previous argument.
@artistdigital First get some real knowledge and find out the rules and regulations of mutah before you produce paragraphs full of misunderstanding. There is completely no evidence that Mutah is zina. THERE IS NO SEX INVOLVED IN MUTAH. If there is sex involved then it is not mutah, it is something else. "provided that you desire protection (from sin), not fornication." (4:24) it says desire protection FROM SIN and NOT FORNICATION. All your doing is just posting unsupported claims.
@SuperiorRationalism Qur'an 4:24 can be perfectly interpreted as speaking of normal marriage.You quoted Ibn Abbas(ra), and I quoted the reference to his clarification as well, that its like consuming pork etc, in times of extreme necessity, as he was referring to!
Sahih Bukhari Hadith 7.50 Narrated by Ali(ra)
I said to Ibn 'Abbas, "During the battle of Khaibar the Prophet forbade (Nikah) Al-Mut'a and the eating of donkey's meat."
@artistdigital "Umar(ra) was a Khaleef, and head of the state. He forbade it" What kind of games are you trying to play with me? Are you taking me as a fool? At the start of the argument you believe that Umar forbade mutah, but then you changed it into 'the Prophet forbidding mutah" plus you gave me a lot of hadiths to show that the Prophet forbade mutah but I disproved them but now you come back to believing that 'Umar forbade Mutah'.
@artistdigital I don’t believe Umar is a Khaleef, he has no right to forbid what Allah has legalized. He has made a big sin by misleading people to think that mutah is haraam where in reality it is halaal as mentioned in the Quran 4:24. You are so double standard and for that I'm ending this argument here because you have shown me that you aren't capable of counteracting my argument and you are wasting my time.
@SuperiorRationalism You don't believe that Umar(ra) "was" a khaleef? Umar(ra) was a Khaleef, his orders were implemented like that of rulers of the state. He(ra) is known as "Umar The Just" to non-Muslim historians, and above all, Ali(ra) pledged allegiance to him, and wed his daughter to him as well.
@artistdigital You are playing tricks with me by changing your beliefs from every response of an argument I get. At the start of your previous comment you said "I'll tell you how clear my belief is! :)" but really your belief is not clear.
@SuperiorRationalism narrated by Ali which states that the Prophet made muta'a haram on the day of Khaiber (Book of Tahdeeb: vol. 7, pg. 251, rewaya 10). Ali(ra) declared Muta haraam, as per Book of Istebsar: vol. 3, pg. 142, rewaya 5.
Why are all the narrations on ban of Muta, from all sources, mention the word Khyber? Why do we have it transmitted through various chains of narrators? Is meat of donkey halaal?
I've even provided hadiths previously where Umar's own son says that his father forbade mutah and he disagrees with what he says and instead follows the prophet's command as a witness, and in Sahih Albukhari (an "authentic" book) I showed you a hadith where it mentions that the Mutah is revealed according to the quranic verse, the prophet permitted mutah, he did not forbid it and that there was no verse to abrogate it.
i) Mutah is not mentioned in Qur'an! If you want to prove it only from Qur'an, then do it! If you could, I'll agree with you! If you can't and start taking help from supporting material, I have already provided enough evidence that it was forbidden, and cited the most strongest evidence that of Ali(ra) from which is common between both Shia and Sunni sources. Imam Jafar(ra) declared it Zinaa!!
@artistdigital Umar(ra) said, while on the pulpit: "O folk! Three were (allowed) during the time of the Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF), and I forbid them, and make them Haraam, and punish on them. They were: Mut'a of women, Mut'a of Hajj (pilgrimage), and saying 'Hayya Ala Khair al-Amal'.“
• Sunni reference:
• Sharh Al-Tajreed, by al-Fadhil al-Qoshaji, (Imama Section) - al-Mustaniran, by al-Tabari
@artistdigital Umadat al-Qari, by al-'Ayni, v8, p310, (reports Mut'a was Halaal at the time of the Prophet + Abu Bakr + some of the Umar's period.)
Umar(ra) said: Two types of Mut'a were (legal) during the time of the Prophet and I forbid them both, and I punish those who commit it. They are: Mut'a of pilgrimage and Mut'a of women.
@artistdigital From this hadith Imam Ali (saw) says that Mut'a is a mercy from Allah! If this is the case then our Lord's mercy to allow us muslims to practice mutah MUST BE MENTIONED IN THE QURAN so that it is clearly permissible and halaal. If there was no mentioning of mutah being permitted in the Quran then Allah is not merciful on that regard and this would not make sense for our Lord to be called a God.
@artistdigital Mutah was practiced from the time of Prophet Muhammad (saw) to Abu Bakr until Umar forbade it. Imam Ali(as) said: The Mut'a is a mercy from Allah to his servants. If it were not for Umar forbidding it, no one would commit (the sin of) fornication except a (Shaqi/Shafa).
@artistdigital Let us look at the case of Umar: He is a fallible human being capable of error because there is no hadiths or Quranic verse/s that reveal he is infallible. It would make logical sense that Umar was the one who forbade muta since he is capable of error and he is the last person left who could possibly forbid mutah since there are lots of hadiths that can prove this.
…and the Quran’s revelation (4:24) would contradict one another and this would not make sense to call the Prophet a follower of the Quran. Since the Prophet is infallible (which he must be in order for us to follow a perfect role model for Islam) he cannot commit such an error or else it would change his title from a prophet to a mere human being. Since he is a Prophet his beliefs and practices must synchronise with the Quran. Therefore one position is made; the Prophet did not forbid muta
The shiya themselves have a hadith narrated by Ali which states that the Prophet made muta'a haram on the day of Khaiber (Book of Tahdeeb: vol. 7, pg. 251, rewaya 10). The author states that Ali lied for the purposes of safety (taqiya). In Book of Istebsar: vol. 3, pg. 142, rewaya 5, there is a declaration by Ali that muta'a is haram. Again they accuse Ali of lying for safety reasons (taqiya).
Imam Ja'far moreover said that Muta is Zina (fornication/adultery) in al Bidayat Al Mujtahid.
Imam Abi-Abdullah narrated: Do not do muta'a with a believer woman..because you will humiliate her by doing that. (shiya sources: Tahdeeb: vol. 7, pg. 253, rewaya 14:21; Istibsaar: vol. 3, pg. 143, rewaya 4:93)
@artistdigital CONTINUE!;ALL CAN SEE THIS 3 CAREFULLY UNBIASED,KEEP ASIDE"SUNNI" & "SHIA" ISSUES & AS A FAIR MUSLIM WANT TO REACH TO THE TRUTH & MANY REF FROM SUNNI HADITHS BOOKS. 1. Muta halal or haram in Sunni aqeda.flv 2. Reply to a Sunni/Wahabi concerning Muta 3. 2 Wake up calls..Sunnis 1/4 :Banning MutA' is Another Proof of Kofir in Umar Bin Khattab Muta'h.
IF ALLAH & PROPHET HAD MADE IT "haram" ACCORDING TO YOU(Umaris) THEN CAN YOU POINT OUT A SINGLE VERSE FROM HOLY QURAN JUSTIFYING
@artistdigital REP 2 {{ Imam Ja'far moreover said that Muta[="NIKAH"] is Zina (fornication/adultery) in al Bidayat Al Mujtahid Imam Abi-Abdullah narrated: Do not do muta'a with a believer woman..because you will humiliate her by doing that (shiya sources: Tahdeeb: vol.7, pg.253, rewaya 14:21; Istibsaar: vol. 3, pg. 143, rewaya 4:93)
artistdigital 8 months ago}} YOUR ENGLISH IS VERY POOR,YOU EVEN DON'T UNDERSTAND A INSIGHT-ADVICE & TOOK IT AS " ZINA ". DO YOU PEOPLE CONSIDER" NIKAH " as " ZINA "
muta'a can only be done with a believer (Kaafi: vol. 5, pg. 454, rewaya 3-4) whereas, in rewaya 27, it is stated that muta'a is not allowed with a muslimah, it is only allowed with Jewish or Christian women.
@artistdigital Many Sunni scholars such as Fakhr al-Razi confirm that the Quranic verse (4:24) was revealed about the Temporary Marriage (Mut'a). They straightforwardly mentioned that temporary marriage became Halaal (permitted) DUE TO the Quranic verse, but they assert that it was later prohibited.
Ali (RA) said: The Mut'a is a mercy from Allah to his servants. If it were not for Umar forbidding it, no one would commit (the sin) of fornication except the wretched (Shaqi; an utmost wrong-doer).
@cs16headhunter The verse of Sura Nisa, on its own can't be interpreted or translated this way, unless we study the context related to it. From the context, it clear that its forbidden. The most authentic narrations against it is that of Ali(ra). Umar(ra) banned it on the advise of Ali(ra), when a woman came to him, complaining about her husband that he does Muta all the time, and that she had young daughters.
Sahaba(ra), first muhajireen, r Ahle Jannah, n so r their followers!
@artistdigital Brother Umar banned muta without the advise from Ali. There are many hadiths stating that Umar banned Mutah but there is no mentioning of Umar banning mutah on the advise of Ali. Moreover there is no quranic verse that states that mutah is haraam so Umars act of banning it is flawed and unacceptable.
@SuperiorRationalism Nabi(saw) didn't order to do Muta, for elevation of spiritual stations, since its very noble and dear act to Allah(swt), but a few Sahaba(ra) had already done it, without seeking permission, in wartime, when they were away from their families, because it was a prevalent custom since Youmal Jahilyaa!
The Qur'anic verse of Sura Nisa, with Tafsir bil Qur'an can't b interpreted as permissibility of the Muta marriage, but its the Tafsir and history which..
@SuperiorRationalism ..its the Tafsir, Hadith and History which elaborates on the subject, and by analyzing this context, we come to know that it was forbidden, and these rewayah are there in both Sunni and Shia books. The most strongest is the narration of Ali(ra) on the subject!
Umar(ra) banned it, as a leader and head of the state, and I can take you to the context of it, which will perfectly prove my point, if you want to?
@SuperiorRationalism Since, Qur'anic verse doesn't speak of this version of Muta marriage, so Qur'anic verse wasn't needed to abolish/abandon it, however, there are many many Qur'anic verses that I can produce, with which I'll nullify this concept of Muta marriage, and you may bring Quranic Verses in support of it!
@artistdigital The Prophet permitted mutah and the Sahabas practiced mutah because they were given permission by the Prophet. There are many hadiths that support this.
@artistdigital Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3243 pg 806:
Abdullah (b. Mas'ud) reported: We were on an expedition with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and we had no women with us. We said: Should we not have ourselves castrated? He (the Holy Prophet) forbade us to do so He then granted us permission that we should contract temporary marriage for a stipulated period giving her a garment….
Jabir b. 'Abdullah and Salama b. al-Akwa' said: There came to us the proclaimer of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) has granted you permission to benefit yourselves, i. e. to contract temporary marriage with women.
@artistdigital Sahih Muslim, Arabic version, 1980 Edition Pub. in Saudi Arabia, v2, p909, Traditions #194-195.
I asked Ibn Abbas about Mut'a and he permitted it, where as Ibn Zubair had forbidden it. So Ibn Abbas said: "This is the mother of Ibn Zubair who states that Allah's Messenger had permitted it, so you better go to her and ask her about it. He (Muslim al-Qurri) said: So we went to her and she was a bulky blind lady. She said: Verily Allah's Messenger permitted it.
@artistdigital Imran Ibn Husain narrated: "The verse of Mut'a (4:24) was revealed in Allah's Book, and there did NOT came any other verse after that to abrogate it; and the Prophet ORDERED US to do it, so we did it at the time of Allah's Apostle, and he did not forbade us from it till he died. But a man (who regarded it illegal) expressed what his own mind suggested."
• Tafsir al-Kabir, by al-Tha'labi, under commentary of verse 4:24 of Quran
(Except the forbidden women) the rest are lawful unto you to seek them with gifts from your property (i.e., dowry), provided that you desire protection (from sin), not fornication. So for whatever you have had of pleasure (Istamta'tum) with them by the contract, give unto them their appointed wages as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what you both agree (in extending the contract) after fulfilling the (first) duty. Lo! Allah is ever Knower, Wise. (Quran 4:24)
@artistdigital Many authentic Sunni scholars confirm that the Quranic verse 4:24 was revealed about the Mut'a. They straightforwardly mentioned in their tafsiir of the Quranic verse 4:24 that temporary marriage became Halaal DUE TO the Quranic verse, but they assert that it was later prohibited.
These are some references from the sunni scholar's books to prove to you that the Quranic verse 4:24 is revealed for Mutah:
@artistdigital Umar forbade Mutah but that is not acceptable. He had no authority to change the law of Allah and that is a big sin for him to forbid what Allah has legalised. Mutah is a mercy from Allah to his servants. There is NO MENTIONING in the Quran that states the abrogation of Mutah. So Umars act of forbidding mutah is unacceptable and to me he is no leader to have the right to do that.
@artistdigital Umar's own son disagrees with his father's action!!!
"some one asked Abdullah Ibn Umar about Mut'a (of Hajj), he said: It is permitted (Halaal). So he was asked: your father forbade it. He said: Do you think that my father can forbid what the Prophet did? Should I follow what my father said, or should I follow what the Prophet ordered? The man said: Of course the orders of the Prophet (&HF)."
• Sahih al-Tirmidhi, v1, p157
• Tafsir al-Qurtubi, v2, p365, reported from al-Darqunti
@artistdig Narrated 'Imran bin Husain: "The Verse of Mut'a was revealed in Allah's Book, so we did it at the time of Allah's Apostle, and nothing was revealed in Quran to make it illegal, nor did the Prophet prohibit it till he died. But a man (who regarded it illegal) expressed what his own mind suggested."
• Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 43
As you read along that hadith (which I repeated for discussion) it can be seen that this "man" is Umar who expressed what his own mind suggested
@artistdigital This is evidence that Umars act of prohibiting mutah is not for a legitimate reason and so his act of prohibiting mutah is unacceptable. So The Quranic verse 4:24 reveals about mutah, the Prophet permitted it, Umar forbade it but it is not accepted because he has no authority to do so.
@SuperiorRationalism Abdullah ibn Umar RAA: "The Prophet PBUH on the day of Khaybar forbade Pleasure contracts(Mutah) and the meat of the donkey "
Narrator: Abdullah Ibn Umar RAA
Sahih al bukhari.
abir bin Abdullah RAA: "The prophet PBUH forbade on the day of Khaybar The pleasure contract(Mutah) and the meat of the donkey and made Rukhsa for the horse"
@SuperiorRationalism Sabra al-Juhanni reported on the authority of his father that while he was with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon hm) he said: O people, I had permitted you to contract temporary marriage with women, but Allah has forbidden it (now) until the Day of Resurrection. So he who has any (woman with this type of marriage contract) he should let her off, and do not take back anything you have given to then (as dower).
Sabra Juhanni reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) permitted temporary marriage for us. So I and another person went out and saw a woman of Bana 'Amir, who was like a young long-necked she-camel. We presented ourselves to her (for contracting temporary marriage), whereupon she said: What dower would you give me? I said: My cloak. And my companion also said: My cloak. ........
@SuperiorRationalism .........And the cloak of-my companion was superior to my cloak, but I was younger than he. So when she looked at the cloak of my companion she liked it, and when she cast a glance at me I looked more attractive to her. She then said: Well, you and your cloak are sufficient for me. I remained with her for three nights, and then Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said:
@SuperiorRationalism ...He who has any such woman with whom he had contracted temporary marriage, he should let her off. Sahih Muslim :: Book 8 : Hadith 3252
Umar bin al Khattab RA said: The Prophet PBUH permitted Mutah for us for Three days and then Forbade it, By Allah If I hear that anyone does Mutah while he is Muhsan(married) Then I will have him stoned.
@SuperiorRationalism Muta marriage can b proven from the Qur'an alone. To prove it, one has to take use of supporting material. Contextual analysis of the supporting material tells us that it was abandoned. From Tafsir bil Qur'an, Muta can't be proven, but extensive material is against it, and from the context, its haram!
@SuperiorRationalism Correction: Muta marriage CANNOT b proven from the Qur'an alone. To prove it, one has to take use of supporting material. Contextual analysis of the supporting material tells us that it was abandoned. From Tafsir bil Qur'an, Muta can't be proven, but extensive material is against it, and from the context, its haram!
@artistdigital Mutah was never abandoned, the references I provided you containing sunni scholar's interpretation of the quranic verse 4:24 and the shia faith both agree that Mutah is halaal according to the Quranic verse. From the hadiths that I have provided and the ones you have provided it can be seen that Prophet Muhammad (saw) permitted mutah. This act of permitting mutah must be mentioned in the Quran. THERE IS 100% NO EVIDENCE OF MUTAH BEING FORBIDDEN IN THE QURAN ONLY HALAAL.
@art I've even shown you a narration from Imran Ibn Hussein where al Tha'labi states in his book "The verse of Mut'a (4:24) was revealed in Allah's Book, and there did NOT came any other verse after that to abrogate it; and the Prophet ORDERED US to do it, so we did it at the time of Allah's Apostle, and he did not forbade us from it till he died. But a man (who regarded it illegal) expressed what his own mind suggested."
• Tafsir al-Kabir, by al-Tha'labi, under commentary of verse 4:24 of Quran
@artis You just said in your previous comment that "Umar(ra) banned it, as a leader and head of the state," and now you provide me hadiths saying that the Prophet forbade Mutah. Your stance is not clear and your starting to contradict your own beliefs. You changed your stance into believing that 'Umar forbade Mutah' to 'the prophet forbade mutah'. You cannot have hadiths with contradicting ideas in the same and different books in which we read “Umar forbade muta” and “The Prophet forbade Muta”.
@artistdigital Only one idea from the hadiths is true and the others are a fabrication. I'll start by proving who forbade mutah. All Prophets MUST be infallible meaning they cannot commit any error since they must be a perfect role model in Islam for us muslims to follow. If Prophet Muhammad (saw) was to forbid Mutah and he is a believer and follower of the Quran BUT the Quran reveals that muta is halaal and does not reveal that mutah is haraam then the Prophet's act of forbidding muta…
@artistdigital Mutah was permitted by the prophet himself so it obviously had to be mentioned in the quran that it is halaal and there are many sunni scholars who mention that in their tafsiirs of the quranic verse 4:24.
@mir4510 "Imam Sadiq (AS) also stated: 'Allah likes the house which is inhabited in the wake of marriage and dislikes the house which is abandoned in the wake of divorce. There is nothing more detestable to Allah than a divorce."
In proving your point about Qur'an 4:24, you cited references from supporting texts, ie Tafsir, Hadith etc. If the Qur'anic commandment was explicit about it, you wouldn't have done that. No verse that commands doing Muta in Qur'an, so no verse needed to abrogate it. You take help of supportive texts, Supportive texts clarify that it was forbidden. Qur'an 9:100 refutes your point that it was wrongfully forbidden, since Umar(ra) is among those about whom the verse explicitly refers to!
artistdigital 6 days ago
@artistdigital Umar forbade Muta BUT it CANNOT be applied as an Islamic law because this is going against the law of Allah in his book. Mutah is a mercy from Allah to his servants to practice. The hadiths that you provided me containing the idea that the Prophet forbade mutah IS A FABRICATION. I'd like you to answer this question for me. If Mutah is Haraam then for what reason would it be haraam and why is it that Prophet Muhammad (saw) permitted it in the first place? everything needs a reason
SuperiorRationalism 1 week ago
@SuperiorRationalism And the first forerunners [in the faith] among the Muhajireen and the Ansar and those who followed them with good conduct - Allah is pleased with them and they are pleased with Him, and He has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide forever. That is the great attainment. Qur'an 9:100
Shia hate Umar(ra) because he introduce Islam to fire worshipers.
artistdigital 6 days ago
@SuperiorRationalism I'll give you many reasons! If its a fabrication, a rewayah won't be repeated with different chain of transmitters, and won't be present in both Shia and Sunni books. It was a practice prevalent in youmal jahilyaa! Its Prostitution!! Bodies are not for sale, and sex is not an instrument of pleasure alone!!
The good of Mutah, that Iran cites is that if the cook does Muta with the daughter of Boss, his wife can roam around without doing parda from him!
artistdigital 6 days ago
@SuperiorRationalism Sahih Bukhari Hadith 9.91 Narrated by Muhammad bin Ali
'Ali was told that Ibn 'Abbas did not see any harm in the Mut'a marriage.'Ali said, "Allah's Apostle forbade the Mut'a marriage on the Day of the battle of Khybar and he forbade the eating of donkey's meat." Some people said, "If one, by a tricky way, marries temporarily, his marriage is illegal." Others said, "The marriage is valid but its condition is illegal."
artistdigital 6 days ago
@SuperiorRationalism Umar(ra) was a Khaleef, and head of the state. He forbade it, declaring it punishable, since there is no room for prostitution in Islam! Everyone loves sex, and there is no logical reason of banning anything that everyone enjoys, if it doesn't have any harm in it. So, if we assume that Umar(ra) banned it, there must be some benefit that would have been gained from it? Whats the incentive?
artistdigital 6 days ago
@SuperiorRationalism The opinion of Ibn Abass(ra) that you quote, has refutation in the same colection of hadith, that Ali(ra) disagreed with his notion, and that he was informed that it was banned on the day of Khyber, and Ibn Abbas(ra) himself clarified that what he meant was similar view to that of pork or other harm things, in times of extreme necessity!
artistdigital 6 days ago
@artistdigital Dude you are soo arrogant, I have already proven that Mutah has been revealed in the Quran at 4:24 with 8 sunni references to authentic scholar's tafsiir of 4:24, hadiths from the most authentic books like Sahih Albukhari and the fact that this is in consensus with the shia faith. Also Prophet Muhammad (saw) permitted Mutah. This obvious evidence that this act of permitting mutah is done because Allah told him to and so it had to be revealed in the Quran.
SuperiorRationalism 6 days ago
@artistdigital After all why do you think he is the messenger of Allah for? There is no valid evidence that Mutah is forbidden and the Quran does not mention that it is forbidden. Imam Jafar (as) never declared that mutah is zina and Imam Ali (as) never said it was forbidden so don’t lie about my Imams based on fabricated hadiths. The Imams beliefs must synchronise with the Quran and this goes the same with our Prophet. They CANNOT say anything that goes against the Quran.
SuperiorRationalism 6 days ago
@artistdigital Allah says in the Quran 4:24:
"(...Except the forbidden women) the rest are lawful unto you to seek them with gifts from your property (i.e., dowry), provided that you desire protection (from sin), not fornication.
It obviously says "NOT FORNICATION" so mutah is not zina.
Ibn Abbas was asked: "Is Mut'a fornication or marriage?"
He answered: 'Neither the one nor the other.'
[Reference: Tafsir al-Kabir, by Fakhr al-Razi, v3, p286]
SuperiorRationalism 6 days ago
@artistdigital I don’t see the point with the Quranic verse 9:100 because it has nothing to do with the topic. "Shia hate Umar(ra) because he introduce Islam to fire worshipers." You have completely changed the subject which is a really big mistake you've done and btw the true shias do not hate Umar they hate his unlawful actions that were against Islam. For you to change the subject shows you can't counteract my previous argument.
SuperiorRationalism 6 days ago
@artistdigital First get some real knowledge and find out the rules and regulations of mutah before you produce paragraphs full of misunderstanding. There is completely no evidence that Mutah is zina. THERE IS NO SEX INVOLVED IN MUTAH. If there is sex involved then it is not mutah, it is something else. "provided that you desire protection (from sin), not fornication." (4:24) it says desire protection FROM SIN and NOT FORNICATION. All your doing is just posting unsupported claims.
SuperiorRationalism 6 days ago
@SuperiorRationalism Qur'an 4:24 can be perfectly interpreted as speaking of normal marriage.You quoted Ibn Abbas(ra), and I quoted the reference to his clarification as well, that its like consuming pork etc, in times of extreme necessity, as he was referring to!
Sahih Bukhari Hadith 7.50 Narrated by Ali(ra)
I said to Ibn 'Abbas, "During the battle of Khaibar the Prophet forbade (Nikah) Al-Mut'a and the eating of donkey's meat."
artistdigital 6 days ago
@artistdigital "Umar(ra) was a Khaleef, and head of the state. He forbade it" What kind of games are you trying to play with me? Are you taking me as a fool? At the start of the argument you believe that Umar forbade mutah, but then you changed it into 'the Prophet forbidding mutah" plus you gave me a lot of hadiths to show that the Prophet forbade mutah but I disproved them but now you come back to believing that 'Umar forbade Mutah'.
SuperiorRationalism 6 days ago
@artistdigital I don’t believe Umar is a Khaleef, he has no right to forbid what Allah has legalized. He has made a big sin by misleading people to think that mutah is haraam where in reality it is halaal as mentioned in the Quran 4:24. You are so double standard and for that I'm ending this argument here because you have shown me that you aren't capable of counteracting my argument and you are wasting my time.
SuperiorRationalism 6 days ago
@SuperiorRationalism You don't believe that Umar(ra) "was" a khaleef? Umar(ra) was a Khaleef, his orders were implemented like that of rulers of the state. He(ra) is known as "Umar The Just" to non-Muslim historians, and above all, Ali(ra) pledged allegiance to him, and wed his daughter to him as well.
artistdigital 6 days ago
@artistdigital You are playing tricks with me by changing your beliefs from every response of an argument I get. At the start of your previous comment you said "I'll tell you how clear my belief is! :)" but really your belief is not clear.
In conclusion:
1. Mutah is halaal as mentioned in the quran 4:24
2. The Prophet Muhammad (saw) permitted Mutah
3. Umar Forbade Mutah (wrongfully)
4. There was no verse to abrogate Mutah
SuperiorRationalism 6 days ago
@SuperiorRationalism narrated by Ali which states that the Prophet made muta'a haram on the day of Khaiber (Book of Tahdeeb: vol. 7, pg. 251, rewaya 10). Ali(ra) declared Muta haraam, as per Book of Istebsar: vol. 3, pg. 142, rewaya 5.
Why are all the narrations on ban of Muta, from all sources, mention the word Khyber? Why do we have it transmitted through various chains of narrators? Is meat of donkey halaal?
artistdigital 6 days ago
I've even provided hadiths previously where Umar's own son says that his father forbade mutah and he disagrees with what he says and instead follows the prophet's command as a witness, and in Sahih Albukhari (an "authentic" book) I showed you a hadith where it mentions that the Mutah is revealed according to the quranic verse, the prophet permitted mutah, he did not forbid it and that there was no verse to abrogate it.
SuperiorRationalism 1 week ago
@artistdigital "He (Umar) is the first who made Mut'a forbidden (Haraam)."
Sunni reference:
• Tarikh al-Khulafaa, by al-Hafidh Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, p136
SuperiorRationalism 1 week ago
@SuperiorRationalism I'll tell you how clear my belief is! :)
i) Mutah is not mentioned in Qur'an! If you want to prove it only from Qur'an, then do it! If you could, I'll agree with you! If you can't and start taking help from supporting material, I have already provided enough evidence that it was forbidden, and cited the most strongest evidence that of Ali(ra) from which is common between both Shia and Sunni sources. Imam Jafar(ra) declared it Zinaa!!
artistdigital 6 days ago
@artistdigital Umar(ra) said, while on the pulpit: "O folk! Three were (allowed) during the time of the Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF), and I forbid them, and make them Haraam, and punish on them. They were: Mut'a of women, Mut'a of Hajj (pilgrimage), and saying 'Hayya Ala Khair al-Amal'.“
• Sunni reference:
• Sharh Al-Tajreed, by al-Fadhil al-Qoshaji, (Imama Section) - al-Mustaniran, by al-Tabari
SuperiorRationalism 1 week ago
@artistdigital Umadat al-Qari, by al-'Ayni, v8, p310, (reports Mut'a was Halaal at the time of the Prophet + Abu Bakr + some of the Umar's period.)
Umar(ra) said: Two types of Mut'a were (legal) during the time of the Prophet and I forbid them both, and I punish those who commit it. They are: Mut'a of pilgrimage and Mut'a of women.
Sunni references:
• Tafsir al-Kabir, by al-Fakhr al-Razi, v3, p201 under verse 4:24;
• Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v1, p52;
SuperiorRationalism 1 week ago
@artistdigital From this hadith Imam Ali (saw) says that Mut'a is a mercy from Allah! If this is the case then our Lord's mercy to allow us muslims to practice mutah MUST BE MENTIONED IN THE QURAN so that it is clearly permissible and halaal. If there was no mentioning of mutah being permitted in the Quran then Allah is not merciful on that regard and this would not make sense for our Lord to be called a God.
SuperiorRationalism 1 week ago
@artistdigital More sunni references to authenticate the idea that Umar forbade Mutah:
• Taj al-Aroos, v10, p200
• Fat'h al-Bari, v9, p141
• Kanz al-Ummal, by al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, v8, p293
• Al-Iqd Al-Fareed, v2, p139
SuperiorRationalism 1 week ago
@artistdigital Mutah was practiced from the time of Prophet Muhammad (saw) to Abu Bakr until Umar forbade it. Imam Ali(as) said: The Mut'a is a mercy from Allah to his servants. If it were not for Umar forbidding it, no one would commit (the sin of) fornication except a (Shaqi/Shafa).
Sunni references:
• Bidayat al-Mujtahid, by Ibn Rushd, v2, p58
• al-Nihaya, by Ibn al-Athir, v2, p249
• al-Faiq, by al-Zamakhshari, v1, p331
• Lisan Al-Arab, Ibn Mandhoor, v19, p166
SuperiorRationalism 1 week ago
@artistdigital Let us look at the case of Umar: He is a fallible human being capable of error because there is no hadiths or Quranic verse/s that reveal he is infallible. It would make logical sense that Umar was the one who forbade muta since he is capable of error and he is the last person left who could possibly forbid mutah since there are lots of hadiths that can prove this.
SuperiorRationalism 1 week ago
…and the Quran’s revelation (4:24) would contradict one another and this would not make sense to call the Prophet a follower of the Quran. Since the Prophet is infallible (which he must be in order for us to follow a perfect role model for Islam) he cannot commit such an error or else it would change his title from a prophet to a mere human being. Since he is a Prophet his beliefs and practices must synchronise with the Quran. Therefore one position is made; the Prophet did not forbid muta
SuperiorRationalism 1 week ago
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who the heck is this craven mullah ... he speaks as if hes unsure of what hes talking abt!
maverickmaverick5 1 month ago
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maverickmaverick5 1 month ago
Abay to Jahil research or kaisay kartay hain dhakkan .. reasearch kar k tumhari book say to nikal k jawab dia us nay ....
Agar yeh galat likha hai to prove day .. yah apni jaladay book :)))
Or (TAQIYA) mat karna yahan ;)))
zzzpakistan 8 months ago
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simba2007201 1 year ago
The shiya themselves have a hadith narrated by Ali which states that the Prophet made muta'a haram on the day of Khaiber (Book of Tahdeeb: vol. 7, pg. 251, rewaya 10). The author states that Ali lied for the purposes of safety (taqiya). In Book of Istebsar: vol. 3, pg. 142, rewaya 5, there is a declaration by Ali that muta'a is haram. Again they accuse Ali of lying for safety reasons (taqiya).
artistdigital 1 year ago
@artistdigital saaley woh sub jhoot hai teri baap herami ne likha hai woh kuttey ke bachey.
mir4510 8 months ago
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artistdigital 8 months ago
Imam Ja'far moreover said that Muta is Zina (fornication/adultery) in al Bidayat Al Mujtahid.
Imam Abi-Abdullah narrated: Do not do muta'a with a believer woman..because you will humiliate her by doing that. (shiya sources: Tahdeeb: vol. 7, pg. 253, rewaya 14:21; Istibsaar: vol. 3, pg. 143, rewaya 4:93)
artistdigital 8 months ago
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@artistdigital CONTINUE!;ALL CAN SEE THIS 3 CAREFULLY UNBIASED,KEEP ASIDE"SUNNI" & "SHIA" ISSUES & AS A FAIR MUSLIM WANT TO REACH TO THE TRUTH & MANY REF FROM SUNNI HADITHS BOOKS. 1. Muta halal or haram in Sunni aqeda.flv 2. Reply to a Sunni/Wahabi concerning Muta 3. 2 Wake up calls..Sunnis 1/4 :Banning MutA' is Another Proof of Kofir in Umar Bin Khattab Muta'h.
IF ALLAH & PROPHET HAD MADE IT "haram" ACCORDING TO YOU(Umaris) THEN CAN YOU POINT OUT A SINGLE VERSE FROM HOLY QURAN JUSTIFYING
cs16headhunter 1 week ago
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@artistdigital REP 2 {{ Imam Ja'far moreover said that Muta[="NIKAH"] is Zina (fornication/adultery) in al Bidayat Al Mujtahid Imam Abi-Abdullah narrated: Do not do muta'a with a believer woman..because you will humiliate her by doing that (shiya sources: Tahdeeb: vol.7, pg.253, rewaya 14:21; Istibsaar: vol. 3, pg. 143, rewaya 4:93)
artistdigital 8 months ago}} YOUR ENGLISH IS VERY POOR,YOU EVEN DON'T UNDERSTAND A INSIGHT-ADVICE & TOOK IT AS " ZINA ". DO YOU PEOPLE CONSIDER" NIKAH " as " ZINA "
cs16headhunter 1 week ago
muta'a can only be done with a believer (Kaafi: vol. 5, pg. 454, rewaya 3-4) whereas, in rewaya 27, it is stated that muta'a is not allowed with a muslimah, it is only allowed with Jewish or Christian women.
artistdigital 8 months ago
@artistdigital Many Sunni scholars such as Fakhr al-Razi confirm that the Quranic verse (4:24) was revealed about the Temporary Marriage (Mut'a). They straightforwardly mentioned that temporary marriage became Halaal (permitted) DUE TO the Quranic verse, but they assert that it was later prohibited.
Ali (RA) said: The Mut'a is a mercy from Allah to his servants. If it were not for Umar forbidding it, no one would commit (the sin) of fornication except the wretched (Shaqi; an utmost wrong-doer).
cs16headhunter 1 week ago
@cs16headhunter The verse of Sura Nisa, on its own can't be interpreted or translated this way, unless we study the context related to it. From the context, it clear that its forbidden. The most authentic narrations against it is that of Ali(ra). Umar(ra) banned it on the advise of Ali(ra), when a woman came to him, complaining about her husband that he does Muta all the time, and that she had young daughters.
Sahaba(ra), first muhajireen, r Ahle Jannah, n so r their followers!
artistdigital 1 week ago
@artistdigital Brother Umar banned muta without the advise from Ali. There are many hadiths stating that Umar banned Mutah but there is no mentioning of Umar banning mutah on the advise of Ali. Moreover there is no quranic verse that states that mutah is haraam so Umars act of banning it is flawed and unacceptable.
SuperiorRationalism 1 week ago
@SuperiorRationalism Nabi(saw) didn't order to do Muta, for elevation of spiritual stations, since its very noble and dear act to Allah(swt), but a few Sahaba(ra) had already done it, without seeking permission, in wartime, when they were away from their families, because it was a prevalent custom since Youmal Jahilyaa!
The Qur'anic verse of Sura Nisa, with Tafsir bil Qur'an can't b interpreted as permissibility of the Muta marriage, but its the Tafsir and history which..
artistdigital 1 week ago
@SuperiorRationalism ..its the Tafsir, Hadith and History which elaborates on the subject, and by analyzing this context, we come to know that it was forbidden, and these rewayah are there in both Sunni and Shia books. The most strongest is the narration of Ali(ra) on the subject!
Umar(ra) banned it, as a leader and head of the state, and I can take you to the context of it, which will perfectly prove my point, if you want to?
artistdigital 1 week ago
@SuperiorRationalism Since, Qur'anic verse doesn't speak of this version of Muta marriage, so Qur'anic verse wasn't needed to abolish/abandon it, however, there are many many Qur'anic verses that I can produce, with which I'll nullify this concept of Muta marriage, and you may bring Quranic Verses in support of it!
artistdigital 1 week ago
@artistdigital The Prophet permitted mutah and the Sahabas practiced mutah because they were given permission by the Prophet. There are many hadiths that support this.
SuperiorRationalism 1 week ago
@artistdigital Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3243 pg 806:
Abdullah (b. Mas'ud) reported: We were on an expedition with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and we had no women with us. We said: Should we not have ourselves castrated? He (the Holy Prophet) forbade us to do so He then granted us permission that we should contract temporary marriage for a stipulated period giving her a garment….
SuperiorRationalism 1 week ago
@artistdigital Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3246:
Jabir b. 'Abdullah and Salama b. al-Akwa' said: There came to us the proclaimer of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) has granted you permission to benefit yourselves, i. e. to contract temporary marriage with women.
SuperiorRationalism 1 week ago
@artistdigital Sahih Muslim, Arabic version, 1980 Edition Pub. in Saudi Arabia, v2, p909, Traditions #194-195.
I asked Ibn Abbas about Mut'a and he permitted it, where as Ibn Zubair had forbidden it. So Ibn Abbas said: "This is the mother of Ibn Zubair who states that Allah's Messenger had permitted it, so you better go to her and ask her about it. He (Muslim al-Qurri) said: So we went to her and she was a bulky blind lady. She said: Verily Allah's Messenger permitted it.
SuperiorRationalism 1 week ago
@artistdigital Imran Ibn Husain narrated: "The verse of Mut'a (4:24) was revealed in Allah's Book, and there did NOT came any other verse after that to abrogate it; and the Prophet ORDERED US to do it, so we did it at the time of Allah's Apostle, and he did not forbade us from it till he died. But a man (who regarded it illegal) expressed what his own mind suggested."
• Tafsir al-Kabir, by al-Tha'labi, under commentary of verse 4:24 of Quran
SuperiorRationalism 1 week ago
@artistdigital The Quranic verse 4:24 can be interpreted as the permissibility of mutah.
SuperiorRationalism 1 week ago
@artistdigital
(Except the forbidden women) the rest are lawful unto you to seek them with gifts from your property (i.e., dowry), provided that you desire protection (from sin), not fornication. So for whatever you have had of pleasure (Istamta'tum) with them by the contract, give unto them their appointed wages as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what you both agree (in extending the contract) after fulfilling the (first) duty. Lo! Allah is ever Knower, Wise. (Quran 4:24)
SuperiorRationalism 1 week ago
@artistdigital Many authentic Sunni scholars confirm that the Quranic verse 4:24 was revealed about the Mut'a. They straightforwardly mentioned in their tafsiir of the Quranic verse 4:24 that temporary marriage became Halaal DUE TO the Quranic verse, but they assert that it was later prohibited.
These are some references from the sunni scholar's books to prove to you that the Quranic verse 4:24 is revealed for Mutah:
SuperiorRationalism 1 week ago
@artistdigital • Tafsir al-Kabir, by al-Tha'labi, under commentary of verse 4:24 of Quran;
• Tafsir al-Kabir, by Fakhr al-Razi, v3, p200, commentary of verse 4:24;
• Tafsir al-Kabir, by Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, under commentary of verse 4:24 with authentic chain of narrators, v8, p178, Tradition #9042;
• Tafsir al-Durr al-Manthoor, by al-Suyuti, v2, p140, from several chain of transmitters;
• Tafsir al-Qurtubi, v5, p130, under commentary of verse 4:24 of Quran;
SuperiorRationalism 1 week ago
@artistdigital • Tafsir Ibn Hayyan, v3, p218, under commentary of verse 4:24 of Quran;
• Tafsir Nisaboori, by al-Nisaboori (8th century);
• Ahkam al-Quran, by Jassas, v2, p179, under commentary of verse 4:24.
SuperiorRationalism 1 week ago
@artistdigital Umar forbade Mutah but that is not acceptable. He had no authority to change the law of Allah and that is a big sin for him to forbid what Allah has legalised. Mutah is a mercy from Allah to his servants. There is NO MENTIONING in the Quran that states the abrogation of Mutah. So Umars act of forbidding mutah is unacceptable and to me he is no leader to have the right to do that.
SuperiorRationalism 1 week ago
@artistdigital Umar's own son disagrees with his father's action!!!
"some one asked Abdullah Ibn Umar about Mut'a (of Hajj), he said: It is permitted (Halaal). So he was asked: your father forbade it. He said: Do you think that my father can forbid what the Prophet did? Should I follow what my father said, or should I follow what the Prophet ordered? The man said: Of course the orders of the Prophet (&HF)."
• Sahih al-Tirmidhi, v1, p157
• Tafsir al-Qurtubi, v2, p365, reported from al-Darqunti
SuperiorRationalism 1 week ago
@artistdigital Also Both Ibn Jarir al-Tabari and al-Zamakhshari narrated that:
"al-Hakam Ibn Ayniyah was asked if the verse of Mut'a of women is abrogated. He answered: 'No'."
• Tafsir al-Tabari, under commentary of verse 4:24 of Quran, v8, p178
• Tafsir al-Kashshaf, by al-Zamakhshari, under the verse 4:24, v1, p519
SuperiorRationalism 1 week ago
@artistdig Narrated 'Imran bin Husain: "The Verse of Mut'a was revealed in Allah's Book, so we did it at the time of Allah's Apostle, and nothing was revealed in Quran to make it illegal, nor did the Prophet prohibit it till he died. But a man (who regarded it illegal) expressed what his own mind suggested."
• Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 43
As you read along that hadith (which I repeated for discussion) it can be seen that this "man" is Umar who expressed what his own mind suggested
SuperiorRationalism 1 week ago
@artistdigital This is evidence that Umars act of prohibiting mutah is not for a legitimate reason and so his act of prohibiting mutah is unacceptable. So The Quranic verse 4:24 reveals about mutah, the Prophet permitted it, Umar forbade it but it is not accepted because he has no authority to do so.
SuperiorRationalism 1 week ago
@SuperiorRationalism Abdullah ibn Umar RAA: "The Prophet PBUH on the day of Khaybar forbade Pleasure contracts(Mutah) and the meat of the donkey "
Narrator: Abdullah Ibn Umar RAA
Sahih al bukhari.
abir bin Abdullah RAA: "The prophet PBUH forbade on the day of Khaybar The pleasure contract(Mutah) and the meat of the donkey and made Rukhsa for the horse"
Narrator: Jabir bin abdullah RAA
Sahih al Bukhari.
artistdigital 1 week ago
@SuperiorRationalism Sabrah bin Mua'bad al Jahni RAA: "The Prophet PBUH forbade the Nikah of Mutah"
Narrator:Sabrah bin Mua'bad al Jahni RAA
Sahih Muslim.
Abdullah bin Masood RAA: "The Prophet PBUH forbade the Nikah of Mutah"
Narrator:Abdullah bin Masood RAA
Rank: Thabit.
artistdigital 1 week ago
@SuperiorRationalism Sabra al-Juhanni reported on the authority of his father that while he was with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon hm) he said: O people, I had permitted you to contract temporary marriage with women, but Allah has forbidden it (now) until the Day of Resurrection. So he who has any (woman with this type of marriage contract) he should let her off, and do not take back anything you have given to then (as dower).
Sahih Muslim :: Book 8 : Hadith 3259
artistdigital 1 week ago
Sabra Juhanni reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) permitted temporary marriage for us. So I and another person went out and saw a woman of Bana 'Amir, who was like a young long-necked she-camel. We presented ourselves to her (for contracting temporary marriage), whereupon she said: What dower would you give me? I said: My cloak. And my companion also said: My cloak. ........
artistdigital 1 week ago
@SuperiorRationalism .........And the cloak of-my companion was superior to my cloak, but I was younger than he. So when she looked at the cloak of my companion she liked it, and when she cast a glance at me I looked more attractive to her. She then said: Well, you and your cloak are sufficient for me. I remained with her for three nights, and then Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said:
artistdigital 1 week ago
@SuperiorRationalism ...He who has any such woman with whom he had contracted temporary marriage, he should let her off. Sahih Muslim :: Book 8 : Hadith 3252
Umar bin al Khattab RA said: The Prophet PBUH permitted Mutah for us for Three days and then Forbade it, By Allah If I hear that anyone does Mutah while he is Muhsan(married) Then I will have him stoned.
source: Ibn Majah.
Hadith rank: SAHIH.
artistdigital 1 week ago
@SuperiorRationalism Ali RA says "The Prophet PBUH forbade Pleasure contracts(Mutah) and the meat of the donkey during the time of Khaybar"
Narrator: Ali bin abi Talib RA
Sahih al Bukhari.
artistdigital 1 week ago
@SuperiorRationalism Muta marriage can b proven from the Qur'an alone. To prove it, one has to take use of supporting material. Contextual analysis of the supporting material tells us that it was abandoned. From Tafsir bil Qur'an, Muta can't be proven, but extensive material is against it, and from the context, its haram!
artistdigital 1 week ago
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@SuperiorRationalism Correction: Muta marriage CANNOT b proven from the Qur'an alone. To prove it, one has to take use of supporting material. Contextual analysis of the supporting material tells us that it was abandoned. From Tafsir bil Qur'an, Muta can't be proven, but extensive material is against it, and from the context, its haram!
artistdigital 1 week ago
@artistdigital Mutah was never abandoned, the references I provided you containing sunni scholar's interpretation of the quranic verse 4:24 and the shia faith both agree that Mutah is halaal according to the Quranic verse. From the hadiths that I have provided and the ones you have provided it can be seen that Prophet Muhammad (saw) permitted mutah. This act of permitting mutah must be mentioned in the Quran. THERE IS 100% NO EVIDENCE OF MUTAH BEING FORBIDDEN IN THE QURAN ONLY HALAAL.
SuperiorRationalism 1 week ago
@art I've even shown you a narration from Imran Ibn Hussein where al Tha'labi states in his book "The verse of Mut'a (4:24) was revealed in Allah's Book, and there did NOT came any other verse after that to abrogate it; and the Prophet ORDERED US to do it, so we did it at the time of Allah's Apostle, and he did not forbade us from it till he died. But a man (who regarded it illegal) expressed what his own mind suggested."
• Tafsir al-Kabir, by al-Tha'labi, under commentary of verse 4:24 of Quran
SuperiorRationalism 1 week ago
@artis You just said in your previous comment that "Umar(ra) banned it, as a leader and head of the state," and now you provide me hadiths saying that the Prophet forbade Mutah. Your stance is not clear and your starting to contradict your own beliefs. You changed your stance into believing that 'Umar forbade Mutah' to 'the prophet forbade mutah'. You cannot have hadiths with contradicting ideas in the same and different books in which we read “Umar forbade muta” and “The Prophet forbade Muta”.
SuperiorRationalism 1 week ago
@artistdigital Only one idea from the hadiths is true and the others are a fabrication. I'll start by proving who forbade mutah. All Prophets MUST be infallible meaning they cannot commit any error since they must be a perfect role model in Islam for us muslims to follow. If Prophet Muhammad (saw) was to forbid Mutah and he is a believer and follower of the Quran BUT the Quran reveals that muta is halaal and does not reveal that mutah is haraam then the Prophet's act of forbidding muta…
SuperiorRationalism 1 week ago
@artistdigital Mutah was permitted by the prophet himself so it obviously had to be mentioned in the quran that it is halaal and there are many sunni scholars who mention that in their tafsiirs of the quranic verse 4:24.
SuperiorRationalism 1 week ago
@mir4510 "Imam Sadiq (AS) also stated: 'Allah likes the house which is inhabited in the wake of marriage and dislikes the house which is abandoned in the wake of divorce. There is nothing more detestable to Allah than a divorce."
Source: Wasa'il al-Shi'ah, vol 15, p 267.
artistdigital 8 months ago