@GamerFTW21 This is pure dogmatic, revisionist history. You should really think about what your doing (to yourself)! I invite you to Islam (meaning: to find perfect peace in submission to God will.) as Jesus (PBUH) found.
@GamerFTW21 As you ought to know, the epistles of Paul precede the writings of the Gospels, by as many as 50 years, however (Pauls letters) procede the time and day of Jesus. Therefore, to answer your question directly, the doctrine of Pauline science and and Theology started near the year 50 AD. I hope this helps you in your spiritual progression.
@GamerFTW21 And furthernore, if refreshed does not mean "refreshed," what is the word for refreshed in Hebrew? (you sound like Bill Clinton when he infamously stated, "It depends on what your definition of "is" is?") In addition to this, if the Biblical translators translated this verse in correctly, where else did they got wrong? Could it be that the serveral scriptures in it are corrupted and and thus the Bible can not be spoken as the inerrant word of God?
@GamerFTW21 In truth, I don't have time to play with you, but here's a mind bender for ya: Mal 4:5-6 tells us that Elijah's second coming must precede the coming of the Messiah. Now, read Matt 11:11-14 on who Jesus say John the Baptist is, and then read John 1:19-21 to see who John The Baptist says he (John the Baptist) is. So, who right about who John The Baptist is -- Jesus (PBUH) or John the Baptist?
This scripture is gauranteed to fry the brain of a Pauline Christian such as yourself.
@GamerFTW21 By the way, I read the KJV and the NIV. What version of the Bible are you reading? Furthermore, your on a tangent, and who quoted Ex 20:8-10? I have you Exodus 31:17 says, "God rested on the seventh day and then he was "refreshed." And Gen 2:2: "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made." Now, you want to play with the scritures and the words? Your an interesting guy!
@GamerFTW21 Again, unlike you, I let the Bible speak for it self. You are a Pauline Christian deeply indoctrinated into the arts of Pauline science and theology. The majority of Christiandom has been lead astray.
@GamerFTW21 On this point, I refer you to my previous comments: Your blindly reading the Bible and dogmatically interpreting its scripture to make it what your itching ear wants to believe.
@GamerFTW21 Exodus 31:17 says, "God rested on the seventh day and then he was "refreshed?" Again, does God need rest to be refreshed?!?!?!
In reply point 5, the scripture is clear, your blindly reading it real what your itching hart desires to believe. There are many other scriptures in the Bible that convolutes the essence of God. Just read it.. with an open mind.
@GamerFTW21 My dear brother, I was born and raised, right here, in Southern California; my entire family identifies as Baptist. Furthermore, in regards to the Bible, I have done one better than just reading it - I have studied it and I continue to study it! It's contridictory statements are apparent and abounding. Lastly, I'm glad to learn that your reading the Holy Quran, however, now... your next step is to study it. May God bless you.
@GamerFTW21 Yes, sir. The Bible has been currupted. Asforementioned, it's many contridictions are evident. One does not have to read the Quran to learn that the Bible has been altered and played with. Read the Bible and see for yourself.
@GamerFTW21 No, the Quran says nothing about the Bible, however, it talks about Torah and the Ingil (Good News), and makes reference to those who currupted it's text, certain nonbelieving Jews and Christians respecitvely. The proof of it's corruption is found in the text itself - in it's many contridictions. Lastly, yes Muhammad (PBUH) once lived and walked amongst us, and is said, by westerners, to be the most successful person to ever live. (Google the top 100 influential people ever).
@GamerFTW21 I was going to suggest that you read the Holy Quran, the Hadiths, and a little known book called "The Peak of Eloquence (sayings of Imam Ali) for starters; however, being that it is you've read the Quran and you are still contrary or adverse to it's message read sura (chapter) 109 verse 1-6. If you have any more questions, after reading aforementioned chapter (109), refer them to my mail box. Good luck to you.
@GamerFTW21 Wrong. It's the exact opposite; The Holy Quran is easy to understand because it is from God. God is not the author of confussion, and his word and guidance to man is clear and unambiguous. Lastly, to comment on the Quran without having read it is the definition of ignorance.
So youre saying the bible isnt meant to be understood by humanity?
The Quran is a book of guidance. "The Quran has been made "easy to understand/memorize"
So the mean fundamental of Chritianity is that Jesus is God and worship him. Yet still no where does it state this clearly I am God worship me. In the Quran it says "Allah is your Lord, worship Him alone."
See the Quran is more clear and easy to understnad. SubhanAllah. And wheres the word trinity in the bible?
John 8:58 does not says "I am God". Why doesnt the bible clearly state anywhere that JEsus said I am god worship me? Where is the word trinity mentioned in the bible? I know the answered im trying to get you to use your brain.
By thway, Adam(as) knew of Muhammad(saw) existense when he was the only man. He saw the kalima.
This deosnt mean Muhammad(saw) is God....
If these quotes weretrue , for sake of argument, theres a huge contradiction w/ verses I quoted.
Ive watched enougj debates, adn know enough about the bible to know it is not the word of Almighty God.
Was, the injeel(bible) we muslim believe in it, but todays bible is corrupted.
Many Chrisitans who have converted say when they read the bibles themselves, things were not making sense, thats when confusion started and search for the truth began.
8:58 - Yes and we all existed before our time, because God willed for us to be and HE knew we were going to be in this world. In Islam, Adam (as) new Muhammad(saw) because he had seen the kalima in heaven. does not make Muhammad God.
Jesus seizes to be God. He looked like me and you. Which makes him no different from you and I. you call him God?
"we" Chrisitans, no not all. We have priests coming to our gatherings and some Chrisitans are nice and speak to us nicely. Brainwashed? I wasnt even taught much religion growing up. I taught myself and through other knowledgeable speakers. Fact is bibles been translated many times overtime. There are new EDITED versions. And bible is not in its original form. Whereas, the Quran is still in it divine langauge.
lol k you use multiplication to make sense of the trinity...By the way the wrod trinity is used nowhere in the bible. If the trinity existed why doesnt it cleary state this in the bible. Like in the Quran its ``Allah is One, Worship Him Alone.``
Jesus never commanded his followers to worship him anywhere in the bible. ``.....the Lord our God, is One..`` Mark12:28-30
``......God is One, there is no other but Him....`` Mark 12:32
Jesus looks up to the sky and says to God ``Now this is eternal life; that they may know you, the only true God Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.`` John 17;3
Yes, he was indeed a Prophet. May Allah(swt) be pleased with him.
@wooowmeato So, you explain the concept of a Trinity by means of multiplication property of 1? LOL!!! This is hilarious!!! What your doing is setting the stage for malefactored Polytheism. By means of multiplication, it true that 1x1x1=1; however, it is also true that 1x1x1x1x1x1x1 infinately = 1 This is a childs arguement for children. Grown folks, with half a brian, won't fall for it. LOL!!! There concept of the Trinity is a deception of Satan, both Bible and Holy Quran say God is ONE
@Legend1One Why do you have to be so mean about it? insulting me is not cool, we can disagree about something, and yet still be cool about it.The Trinity is NOT worship of three gods (tritheism). It is not "three gods in one god" or "three persons in one person". Rather, there is one God, and within the unity of the one God there are three co-equal and co-eternal persons --the Father, the Son, and the Holy spirit.
@wooowmeato I apologize if you feel slighted by my comment; however, using the multiplication property of 1, to explain the concept of the Trinity, tickled my fancy. Now, to answer the point of contention: Where in the Bible does Jesus say (in red letter) that he is the co equal of God, and that with the addition of the Holy Spirit, they compose a triumverate God head?
@Legend1One The doctrine of the Trinity is based on three lines of evidence: evidence that there is only one true God (Isaiah44:6 &46:9); John 5:44 &17:3 Romans3:29-30 &16:27 ; 1 Corinthians 8:4 ; Galatians 3:20 ; Ephesians 4:6 ; 1Timothy 2:5 ; James 2:19) Evidence that there are three persons who are called God - The Father (1Peter1:2), Jesus(Hebrews1:8), and the Holy Spirit (Acts 5:3-4); and evidence of three in oneness within the Godhead (Matthew28:19 & 2 Corinthians 13:14).
@Legend1One Moreover, each of the 3 persons on different occasions is seen to possess the attributes of deity. For example, all three are said to be omnipresent; The Father (Jeremiah23:23-24) The Son (Matthew28:18-20), and the Holy Spirit (Psalm139:7). All 3 are omniscient: the Father (Romans11:33) the Son (John16:30) and the Holy Spirit (1Corinthians2:10). All 3 are omnipotent: The Father (Jeremiah 32:17) The Son (Matthew 28:18) and the Holy Spirit (Romans15:19).
@Legend1One Furthermore, holiness is ascribed to each person: the Father (Revelation15:4), the Son (Acts3:14) and the Holy Spirit (John16:7-14). And each of the 3 is individually described as the truth: The Father (John7:28) the Son(revelation3:7) and the Holy Spirit(1JOhn5:7) BTW. Jesus is God's Son not in the sense that the Father procreated Jesus, but rather in the sense that Jesus Himself is eternally God by nature, just like the Father is.
@Legend1One Ancient Semitics used the phrase "Son of..." to indicate likeness or sameness of nature and equality of being. That is why when Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, His Jewish contemporaries understood He was making a claim to be God (John19:7; & 5:18) .
@wooowmeato After reading your arguement for the concept of the Trinity, I can come to only one conclusion: My friend, you have thoroughly convoluted the scirptures, as Satan hoped you would. Your following the Pauline doctrine of Christianity. As you well knkow, Jesus (PBUH) was a Jew, however Paul apostatized his Jewish faith to become the Father of Christianity, and in the process, he casted Jesus (PBUH) in the leading role. I hope you can someday find your way back to God's right path.
@Legend1One I thank you for your concern for my path with God, as I do the same for you my friend. While we disagree we can find in common that we care for each other's salvation. On the contrary, I go to the teachings of Jesus himself, (Like that verse above, in John 19:7 and 5:18) or When Jesus says before Abraham was, "I AM" refering to the idea that God is infinite and outside of time, so past, present, and future, are all in one, thus instead of saying "I was" he says "I am". (John8:58).
@Legend1 One From the story in my life, Christ brings a joy, fulfillment in life, genuine love, and love to those around me. By all means my life is not all rosy colors, but I have a peace and contentment in my life that I know comes from Christ. It is not a religion that I follow, but it is a personal relationship, and if it didn't work, then I would denounce it, but it works. On a side note, I always thought it was cool how the prayers in my mind would be answered. God bless!
@wooowmeato Islam and Christianity are the only two faiths in the world that make mention of Jesus (PBUH) and that makes it a pillar of their respective faiths to believe in him and in his message. However, one of our two beliefs hold Jesus (PBUH) in his proper perspective and light and the other does not, and the question is which one? Now, you claim to be following Jesus' of the Bible, as noted in red letter, I asked you to re-read his words in totality and context. He's clear on this point.
why don't you guys stick with the text ?? Jesus (PBUH) if he was God or a part of trinity he would have said it directly and wont puzzle the people like: I am YOUR GOD & WORSHIP ME
In fact Satan got in between his followers to claim His divinity .. Read the Bible and even if it is not ALL from God .. as known to many scholars .. but the truth is there clear and soft .. He Fell on His forehead to worship the ONLY ONE GOD the One who Sent Him .. He Prayed for Him, He claimed everything to HIM
@philosopher28 Jesus calls himself "I AM" in captial letters. That is the same thing God said in Exodus 3:14. Christ says "before Abraham was, I AM". John 8:5-8
@AegeanKing HAHAHA ------------- and Jesus was Greek and was speaking Greek like all disciples ?!!!!! what you have said proves that this book between your hands isn't God's Words Nor Jesus ... don't you get it ... it should be in Aramaic or Hebrew not in Greek -- where is your mind ----So FROM WHERE CAPITAL LETTERS CAME , I WONDER???
@philosopher28 Are you really that uneducated??? Greek was the language of trade, administration and scholars. that is the reason that it was written in Greek. Back then Greek was just like English is today. You are a moron....
@philosopher28 What the hell is wrong with you?? Did I say that Jesus spoke Greek?? NO I DID NOT!!! I said the New Testament was written in Greek because Greek was the language of trade and the language of scholars. Why are you so sutpid??
@AegeanKing insult is the method of losers who don't have any proof on what they are saying ... in fact history says that none of the disciples spoke Greek except john and he wasn't as educated as the old manuscripts .. so who wrote the gospels .. well .. not the disciples .. i dare you to tell me Luke Who .. Mathew Who .. (in fact your bible says according to "disciple name") you know why ?? cause there is no proof that these are words of the disciples --- go learn about old Christianity
@philosopher28 I am insulting you because you are a moron who is trying to rewrite history. Did you not understand me when I said that Greek was the language of trade and administration and scholars in that region??? Greek was VERY COMMON and spoken by most merchants. I prove my point by the Greek Septuagint Old Testament that was written by Hellenistic Jews hundreds of years BEFORE Christ. Google it.
@philosopher28@philosopher28 I am insulting you because you are a moron who is trying to rewrite history. Did you not understand me when I said that Greek was the language of trade and administration and scholars in that region??? Greek was VERY COMMON and spoken by most merchants. I prove my point by the Greek Septuagint Old Testament that was written by Hellenistic Jews hundreds of years BEFORE Christ. Google it.
@philosopher28@philosopher28 I am insulting you because you are a moron who is trying to rewrite history. Did you not understand me when I said that Greek was the language of trade and administration and scholars in that region??? Greek was VERY COMMON and spoken by most merchants. I prove my point by the Greek Septuagint Old Testament that was written by Hellenistic Jews hundreds of years BEFORE Christ. Google it.
@philosopher28@philosopher28 I am insulting you because you are a moron who is trying to rewrite history. Did you not understand me when I said that Greek was the language of trade and administration and scholars in that region??? Greek was VERY COMMON and spoken by most merchants. I prove my point by the Greek Septuagint Old Testament that was written by Hellenistic Jews hundreds of years BEFORE Christ. Google it.
@philosopher28@philosopher28 I am insulting you because you are a moron who is trying to rewrite history. Did you not understand me when I said that Greek was the language of trade and administration and scholars in that region??? Greek was VERY COMMON and spoken by most merchants. I prove my point by the Greek Septuagint Old Testament that was written by Hellenistic Jews hundreds of years BEFORE Christ. Google it.
@philosopher28@philosopher28 I am insulting you because you are a moron who is trying to rewrite history. Did you not understand me when I said that Greek was the language of trade and administration and scholars in that region??? Greek was VERY COMMON and spoken by most merchants. I prove my point by the Greek Septuagint Old Testament that was written by Hellenistic Jews hundreds of years BEFORE Christ. Google it.
@philosopher28@philosopher28 I am insulting you because you are a moron who is trying to rewrite history. Did you not understand me when I said that Greek was the language of trade and administration and scholars in that region??? Greek was VERY COMMON and spoken by most merchants. I prove my point by the Greek Septuagint Old Testament that was written by Hellenistic Jews hundreds of years BEFORE Christ. Google it.
@philosopher28@philosopher28 I am insulting you because you are a moron who is trying to rewrite history. Did you not understand me when I said that Greek was the language of trade and administration and scholars in that region??? Greek was VERY COMMON and spoken by most merchants. I prove my point by the Greek Septuagint Old Testament that was written by Hellenistic Jews hundreds of years BEFORE Christ. Google it.
shamounian...seriously? your named after the clown Sam shamoun whom i have yet to see debate anyone outside of paltalk or similar "platforms"? I think most Christians who organize debates would be ashamed of Mr. Shamoun. Name yourself hmmm, Cambellanian (i think some get the joke )
The absolute nonsensical face of the trinity is revealed at 31:14 where Mr. White attempts to explain the unexplainable. 1. So God becomes man 2. God starts worshiping himself as to be a believer in ahem himself. 3 Him praying to himself relieves him of being an atheist, therefore the trinity is true. 4. .i think its safe to say that a child has more respect for logic then a fully grown christian .
@shamounian Dr White would never acknowledge that. How do you find his explanation of when Jesus says " Why call me good, there is none good but God"?
well, there are limits to how much I can write here. But to be brief I do accept what White said about that text. However, his point needs to be developed more fully and with time constraints you simply can't do that.
@MrGrandDragon aren't you the true terrorist who threatened me harm last time? And what do you mean a true imposter? I was telling the truth when I said I thought that Abdullah's closing statements were excellent.
Read my comment again. Your paranoia is beginning to get ugly my friend.
If your attitude is so hateful on Youtube then I would dread to imagine how bad it is in real life, in your home, or else where.
I don't see how that is inciting any threat towards you, in fact it is the exact opposite. But for someone as deluded as you I think it would be easy to misinterpret things.
If you genuinely find his closing statements excellent then that is very good. :)
@MrGrandDragon, it would really be nice if Muslims could put things in perspective and practice what they preach. The reason why I say the things I do is because I am dealing with particular Muslims who have no shame in lying, perverting, twisting my Scriptures and/or insulting, slandering, blaspheming my God and his Apostles. So please be consistent and tell your fellow Muslims to refrain from this type of behavior so that relationships between us can improve.
You are the proof of what I am saying here. Didn't you and I have a nice long discussion on the possibility of God becoming human? Did I ever insult you during our exchanges? I treated you with respect because you maintained respect even though we were passionate about our differences.
@GamerFTW21 ...no single historians in the time of jesus said he was crucified just hearsays...hahahhahah
even jesus close disciples did not watched him during crucifictions....hahahha..than what proof you have we was
because paul told you if jesus did not rise from the death than your praching in vain and your faith in vain..hahah
does that make sense rising from the death is a pagon idiology.........hahahhaha
strangerlover11 11 months ago
@GamerFTW21 This is pure dogmatic, revisionist history. You should really think about what your doing (to yourself)! I invite you to Islam (meaning: to find perfect peace in submission to God will.) as Jesus (PBUH) found.
Legend1One 11 months ago
@GamerFTW21 As you ought to know, the epistles of Paul precede the writings of the Gospels, by as many as 50 years, however (Pauls letters) procede the time and day of Jesus. Therefore, to answer your question directly, the doctrine of Pauline science and and Theology started near the year 50 AD. I hope this helps you in your spiritual progression.
Legend1One 11 months ago
@GamerFTW21 And furthernore, if refreshed does not mean "refreshed," what is the word for refreshed in Hebrew? (you sound like Bill Clinton when he infamously stated, "It depends on what your definition of "is" is?") In addition to this, if the Biblical translators translated this verse in correctly, where else did they got wrong? Could it be that the serveral scriptures in it are corrupted and and thus the Bible can not be spoken as the inerrant word of God?
Legend1One 11 months ago
@GamerFTW21 In truth, I don't have time to play with you, but here's a mind bender for ya: Mal 4:5-6 tells us that Elijah's second coming must precede the coming of the Messiah. Now, read Matt 11:11-14 on who Jesus say John the Baptist is, and then read John 1:19-21 to see who John The Baptist says he (John the Baptist) is. So, who right about who John The Baptist is -- Jesus (PBUH) or John the Baptist?
This scripture is gauranteed to fry the brain of a Pauline Christian such as yourself.
Legend1One 11 months ago
@GamerFTW21 By the way, I read the KJV and the NIV. What version of the Bible are you reading? Furthermore, your on a tangent, and who quoted Ex 20:8-10? I have you Exodus 31:17 says, "God rested on the seventh day and then he was "refreshed." And Gen 2:2: "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made." Now, you want to play with the scritures and the words? Your an interesting guy!
Legend1One 11 months ago
@GamerFTW21 Again, unlike you, I let the Bible speak for it self. You are a Pauline Christian deeply indoctrinated into the arts of Pauline science and theology. The majority of Christiandom has been lead astray.
Legend1One 11 months ago
@GamerFTW21 Unlike you, I'm not spewing what I believe or think, but I'm giving the Biblical book and verse.
Legend1One 11 months ago
@GamerFTW21 Where in the Bible does it say Heli is Mary's father? Book and verse please.
Legend1One 11 months ago
@GamerFTW21 On this point, I refer you to my previous comments: Your blindly reading the Bible and dogmatically interpreting its scripture to make it what your itching ear wants to believe.
Legend1One 11 months ago
@GamerFTW21 Exodus 31:17 says, "God rested on the seventh day and then he was "refreshed?" Again, does God need rest to be refreshed?!?!?!
In reply point 5, the scripture is clear, your blindly reading it real what your itching hart desires to believe. There are many other scriptures in the Bible that convolutes the essence of God. Just read it.. with an open mind.
Legend1One 11 months ago
@GamerFTW21 My dear brother, I was born and raised, right here, in Southern California; my entire family identifies as Baptist. Furthermore, in regards to the Bible, I have done one better than just reading it - I have studied it and I continue to study it! It's contridictory statements are apparent and abounding. Lastly, I'm glad to learn that your reading the Holy Quran, however, now... your next step is to study it. May God bless you.
Legend1One 11 months ago
@GamerFTW21 Biblical contridictions:
1) Are the sins of the father imputed to the son? Isaiah 14:21 (Yes) vs. Duet 24:16, Ezekiel 18
2) Who is Joseph's father, Jacob or Heli? Matt 1:16 (Jacob) vs. Luke 3:23 (Heli)
3) Does God repent? 1 Sam 15:29 (No) vs. Gen 6:6 and Jonah 3:10 (Yes)
4) Is Jesus made greater than the angles? Heb. 1:4 (Greater) vs Heb. 2:7 (a little less)
5) Can God be seen? Ex. 33:11, 24:9-10, Gen. 26:2 (Yes) vs Ex. 33:20, 1 Tim. 6:15 (No)
6) God require rest? Gen 2:2 vs Is
Legend1One 11 months ago
@GamerFTW21 Yes, sir. The Bible has been currupted. Asforementioned, it's many contridictions are evident. One does not have to read the Quran to learn that the Bible has been altered and played with. Read the Bible and see for yourself.
Legend1One 11 months ago
@GamerFTW21 No, the Quran says nothing about the Bible, however, it talks about Torah and the Ingil (Good News), and makes reference to those who currupted it's text, certain nonbelieving Jews and Christians respecitvely. The proof of it's corruption is found in the text itself - in it's many contridictions. Lastly, yes Muhammad (PBUH) once lived and walked amongst us, and is said, by westerners, to be the most successful person to ever live. (Google the top 100 influential people ever).
Legend1One 11 months ago
@GamerFTW21 I was going to suggest that you read the Holy Quran, the Hadiths, and a little known book called "The Peak of Eloquence (sayings of Imam Ali) for starters; however, being that it is you've read the Quran and you are still contrary or adverse to it's message read sura (chapter) 109 verse 1-6. If you have any more questions, after reading aforementioned chapter (109), refer them to my mail box. Good luck to you.
Legend1One 11 months ago
@GamerFTW21 Wrong. It's the exact opposite; The Holy Quran is easy to understand because it is from God. God is not the author of confussion, and his word and guidance to man is clear and unambiguous. Lastly, to comment on the Quran without having read it is the definition of ignorance.
Legend1One 11 months ago
@GamerFTW21
So youre saying the bible isnt meant to be understood by humanity?
The Quran is a book of guidance. "The Quran has been made "easy to understand/memorize"
So the mean fundamental of Chritianity is that Jesus is God and worship him. Yet still no where does it state this clearly I am God worship me. In the Quran it says "Allah is your Lord, worship Him alone."
See the Quran is more clear and easy to understnad. SubhanAllah. And wheres the word trinity in the bible?
RasoolofAllah 1 year ago
@GamerFTW21
John 8:58 does not says "I am God". Why doesnt the bible clearly state anywhere that JEsus said I am god worship me? Where is the word trinity mentioned in the bible? I know the answered im trying to get you to use your brain.
By thway, Adam(as) knew of Muhammad(saw) existense when he was the only man. He saw the kalima.
This deosnt mean Muhammad(saw) is God....
If these quotes weretrue , for sake of argument, theres a huge contradiction w/ verses I quoted.
RasoolofAllah 1 year ago
@GamerFTW21
Ive watched enougj debates, adn know enough about the bible to know it is not the word of Almighty God.
Was, the injeel(bible) we muslim believe in it, but todays bible is corrupted.
Many Chrisitans who have converted say when they read the bibles themselves, things were not making sense, thats when confusion started and search for the truth began.
RasoolofAllah 1 year ago
@GamerFTW21
8:58 - Yes and we all existed before our time, because God willed for us to be and HE knew we were going to be in this world. In Islam, Adam (as) new Muhammad(saw) because he had seen the kalima in heaven. does not make Muhammad God.
Jesus seizes to be God. He looked like me and you. Which makes him no different from you and I. you call him God?
RasoolofAllah 1 year ago
@GamerFTW21
"we" Chrisitans, no not all. We have priests coming to our gatherings and some Chrisitans are nice and speak to us nicely. Brainwashed? I wasnt even taught much religion growing up. I taught myself and through other knowledgeable speakers. Fact is bibles been translated many times overtime. There are new EDITED versions. And bible is not in its original form. Whereas, the Quran is still in it divine langauge.
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wooowmeato 1 year ago
1x1x1=1
wooowmeato 1 year ago
@wooowmeato
1+1+1=1?
is my question becasue you speak about three different things being one.
RasoolofAllah 1 year ago
@RasoolofAllah no my friend, not addition. Instead multiplication. 1 times 1 times 1 is 1 correct?
wooowmeato 1 year ago
@wooowmeato
lol k you use multiplication to make sense of the trinity...By the way the wrod trinity is used nowhere in the bible. If the trinity existed why doesnt it cleary state this in the bible. Like in the Quran its ``Allah is One, Worship Him Alone.``
Jesus never commanded his followers to worship him anywhere in the bible. ``.....the Lord our God, is One..`` Mark12:28-30
``......God is One, there is no other but Him....`` Mark 12:32
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wooowmeato 1 year ago
@wooowmeato
Jesus looks up to the sky and says to God ``Now this is eternal life; that they may know you, the only true God Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.`` John 17;3
Yes, he was indeed a Prophet. May Allah(swt) be pleased with him.
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@RasoolofAllah no my friend, not addition. Instead multiplication. 1 times 1 times 1 is 1.
wooowmeato 1 year ago
@wooowmeato So, you explain the concept of a Trinity by means of multiplication property of 1? LOL!!! This is hilarious!!! What your doing is setting the stage for malefactored Polytheism. By means of multiplication, it true that 1x1x1=1; however, it is also true that 1x1x1x1x1x1x1 infinately = 1 This is a childs arguement for children. Grown folks, with half a brian, won't fall for it. LOL!!! There concept of the Trinity is a deception of Satan, both Bible and Holy Quran say God is ONE
Legend1One 11 months ago
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wooowmeato 11 months ago
@Legend1One Why do you have to be so mean about it? insulting me is not cool, we can disagree about something, and yet still be cool about it.The Trinity is NOT worship of three gods (tritheism). It is not "three gods in one god" or "three persons in one person". Rather, there is one God, and within the unity of the one God there are three co-equal and co-eternal persons --the Father, the Son, and the Holy spirit.
wooowmeato 11 months ago
@wooowmeato I apologize if you feel slighted by my comment; however, using the multiplication property of 1, to explain the concept of the Trinity, tickled my fancy. Now, to answer the point of contention: Where in the Bible does Jesus say (in red letter) that he is the co equal of God, and that with the addition of the Holy Spirit, they compose a triumverate God head?
Legend1One 11 months ago
@Legend1One The doctrine of the Trinity is based on three lines of evidence: evidence that there is only one true God (Isaiah44:6 &46:9); John 5:44 &17:3 Romans3:29-30 &16:27 ; 1 Corinthians 8:4 ; Galatians 3:20 ; Ephesians 4:6 ; 1Timothy 2:5 ; James 2:19) Evidence that there are three persons who are called God - The Father (1Peter1:2), Jesus(Hebrews1:8), and the Holy Spirit (Acts 5:3-4); and evidence of three in oneness within the Godhead (Matthew28:19 & 2 Corinthians 13:14).
wooowmeato 11 months ago
@Legend1One Moreover, each of the 3 persons on different occasions is seen to possess the attributes of deity. For example, all three are said to be omnipresent; The Father (Jeremiah23:23-24) The Son (Matthew28:18-20), and the Holy Spirit (Psalm139:7). All 3 are omniscient: the Father (Romans11:33) the Son (John16:30) and the Holy Spirit (1Corinthians2:10). All 3 are omnipotent: The Father (Jeremiah 32:17) The Son (Matthew 28:18) and the Holy Spirit (Romans15:19).
wooowmeato 11 months ago
@Legend1One Furthermore, holiness is ascribed to each person: the Father (Revelation15:4), the Son (Acts3:14) and the Holy Spirit (John16:7-14). And each of the 3 is individually described as the truth: The Father (John7:28) the Son(revelation3:7) and the Holy Spirit(1JOhn5:7) BTW. Jesus is God's Son not in the sense that the Father procreated Jesus, but rather in the sense that Jesus Himself is eternally God by nature, just like the Father is.
wooowmeato 11 months ago
@Legend1One Ancient Semitics used the phrase "Son of..." to indicate likeness or sameness of nature and equality of being. That is why when Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, His Jewish contemporaries understood He was making a claim to be God (John19:7; & 5:18) .
wooowmeato 11 months ago
@wooowmeato After reading your arguement for the concept of the Trinity, I can come to only one conclusion: My friend, you have thoroughly convoluted the scirptures, as Satan hoped you would. Your following the Pauline doctrine of Christianity. As you well knkow, Jesus (PBUH) was a Jew, however Paul apostatized his Jewish faith to become the Father of Christianity, and in the process, he casted Jesus (PBUH) in the leading role. I hope you can someday find your way back to God's right path.
Legend1One 11 months ago
@Legend1One I thank you for your concern for my path with God, as I do the same for you my friend. While we disagree we can find in common that we care for each other's salvation. On the contrary, I go to the teachings of Jesus himself, (Like that verse above, in John 19:7 and 5:18) or When Jesus says before Abraham was, "I AM" refering to the idea that God is infinite and outside of time, so past, present, and future, are all in one, thus instead of saying "I was" he says "I am". (John8:58).
wooowmeato 11 months ago
@Legend1 One From the story in my life, Christ brings a joy, fulfillment in life, genuine love, and love to those around me. By all means my life is not all rosy colors, but I have a peace and contentment in my life that I know comes from Christ. It is not a religion that I follow, but it is a personal relationship, and if it didn't work, then I would denounce it, but it works. On a side note, I always thought it was cool how the prayers in my mind would be answered. God bless!
wooowmeato 11 months ago
@wooowmeato Islam and Christianity are the only two faiths in the world that make mention of Jesus (PBUH) and that makes it a pillar of their respective faiths to believe in him and in his message. However, one of our two beliefs hold Jesus (PBUH) in his proper perspective and light and the other does not, and the question is which one? Now, you claim to be following Jesus' of the Bible, as noted in red letter, I asked you to re-read his words in totality and context. He's clear on this point.
Legend1One 11 months ago
This was a marvelous interchange.
LovingScrubbies 1 year ago
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3457lkande1 1 year ago
@3457lkande1 Old testament prophecy of Christ. Isaiah 7:14
AegeanKing 1 year ago
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3457lkande1 1 year ago
I liked this debate, both debators were very respectful towards each other.
Mkvine 1 year ago
When you devote any act of worship to anyone other than Allaah (God), then you have committed shirk i.e. polytheism.
lyricaladaud 1 year ago
why don't you guys stick with the text ?? Jesus (PBUH) if he was God or a part of trinity he would have said it directly and wont puzzle the people like: I am YOUR GOD & WORSHIP ME
In fact Satan got in between his followers to claim His divinity .. Read the Bible and even if it is not ALL from God .. as known to many scholars .. but the truth is there clear and soft .. He Fell on His forehead to worship the ONLY ONE GOD the One who Sent Him .. He Prayed for Him, He claimed everything to HIM
philosopher28 1 year ago
@philosopher28 Jesus calls himself "I AM" in captial letters. That is the same thing God said in Exodus 3:14. Christ says "before Abraham was, I AM". John 8:5-8
AegeanKing 1 year ago
@AegeanKing there was no capital letters in Aramic language or in hebrew language --- from where did you get this idea . hehehe
philosopher28 1 year ago
@philosopher28 Hey smart guy, in case you didn't know, The New Testament was written in Greek. Do your research before making comments.
AegeanKing 1 year ago
@AegeanKing HAHAHA ------------- and Jesus was Greek and was speaking Greek like all disciples ?!!!!! what you have said proves that this book between your hands isn't God's Words Nor Jesus ... don't you get it ... it should be in Aramaic or Hebrew not in Greek -- where is your mind ----So FROM WHERE CAPITAL LETTERS CAME , I WONDER???
philosopher28 1 year ago
@philosopher28 Are you really that uneducated??? Greek was the language of trade, administration and scholars. that is the reason that it was written in Greek. Back then Greek was just like English is today. You are a moron....
AegeanKing 1 year ago
@AegeanKing was Jesus speaking Greek ??? and please no word with no proof .. where is your proof for such claim ??
philosopher28 1 year ago
@philosopher28 What the hell is wrong with you?? Did I say that Jesus spoke Greek?? NO I DID NOT!!! I said the New Testament was written in Greek because Greek was the language of trade and the language of scholars. Why are you so sutpid??
AegeanKing 1 year ago
@AegeanKing insult is the method of losers who don't have any proof on what they are saying ... in fact history says that none of the disciples spoke Greek except john and he wasn't as educated as the old manuscripts .. so who wrote the gospels .. well .. not the disciples .. i dare you to tell me Luke Who .. Mathew Who .. (in fact your bible says according to "disciple name") you know why ?? cause there is no proof that these are words of the disciples --- go learn about old Christianity
philosopher28 1 year ago
@philosopher28 I am insulting you because you are a moron who is trying to rewrite history. Did you not understand me when I said that Greek was the language of trade and administration and scholars in that region??? Greek was VERY COMMON and spoken by most merchants. I prove my point by the Greek Septuagint Old Testament that was written by Hellenistic Jews hundreds of years BEFORE Christ. Google it.
AegeanKing 1 year ago
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@philosopher28 @philosopher28 I am insulting you because you are a moron who is trying to rewrite history. Did you not understand me when I said that Greek was the language of trade and administration and scholars in that region??? Greek was VERY COMMON and spoken by most merchants. I prove my point by the Greek Septuagint Old Testament that was written by Hellenistic Jews hundreds of years BEFORE Christ. Google it.
AegeanKing 1 year ago
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@philosopher28 @philosopher28 I am insulting you because you are a moron who is trying to rewrite history. Did you not understand me when I said that Greek was the language of trade and administration and scholars in that region??? Greek was VERY COMMON and spoken by most merchants. I prove my point by the Greek Septuagint Old Testament that was written by Hellenistic Jews hundreds of years BEFORE Christ. Google it.
AegeanKing 1 year ago
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@philosopher28 @philosopher28 I am insulting you because you are a moron who is trying to rewrite history. Did you not understand me when I said that Greek was the language of trade and administration and scholars in that region??? Greek was VERY COMMON and spoken by most merchants. I prove my point by the Greek Septuagint Old Testament that was written by Hellenistic Jews hundreds of years BEFORE Christ. Google it.
AegeanKing 1 year ago
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@philosopher28 @philosopher28 I am insulting you because you are a moron who is trying to rewrite history. Did you not understand me when I said that Greek was the language of trade and administration and scholars in that region??? Greek was VERY COMMON and spoken by most merchants. I prove my point by the Greek Septuagint Old Testament that was written by Hellenistic Jews hundreds of years BEFORE Christ. Google it.
AegeanKing 1 year ago
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@philosopher28 @philosopher28 I am insulting you because you are a moron who is trying to rewrite history. Did you not understand me when I said that Greek was the language of trade and administration and scholars in that region??? Greek was VERY COMMON and spoken by most merchants. I prove my point by the Greek Septuagint Old Testament that was written by Hellenistic Jews hundreds of years BEFORE Christ. Google it.
AegeanKing 1 year ago
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@philosopher28 @philosopher28 I am insulting you because you are a moron who is trying to rewrite history. Did you not understand me when I said that Greek was the language of trade and administration and scholars in that region??? Greek was VERY COMMON and spoken by most merchants. I prove my point by the Greek Septuagint Old Testament that was written by Hellenistic Jews hundreds of years BEFORE Christ. Google it.
AegeanKing 1 year ago
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@philosopher28 @philosopher28 I am insulting you because you are a moron who is trying to rewrite history. Did you not understand me when I said that Greek was the language of trade and administration and scholars in that region??? Greek was VERY COMMON and spoken by most merchants. I prove my point by the Greek Septuagint Old Testament that was written by Hellenistic Jews hundreds of years BEFORE Christ. Google it.
AegeanKing 1 year ago
shamounian...seriously? your named after the clown Sam shamoun whom i have yet to see debate anyone outside of paltalk or similar "platforms"? I think most Christians who organize debates would be ashamed of Mr. Shamoun. Name yourself hmmm, Cambellanian (i think some get the joke )
NATURALboredKILLER 1 year ago
@NATURALboredKILLER
What are you talking about, he debated Shabir Ally.
Mkvine 1 year ago
The absolute nonsensical face of the trinity is revealed at 31:14 where Mr. White attempts to explain the unexplainable. 1. So God becomes man 2. God starts worshiping himself as to be a believer in ahem himself. 3 Him praying to himself relieves him of being an atheist, therefore the trinity is true. 4. .i think its safe to say that a child has more respect for logic then a fully grown christian .
NATURALboredKILLER 1 year ago
I must admit that Abdullah's closing statements was excellent. See Muslims, I can acknowledge when a Muslim does well.
shamounian 1 year ago
@shamounian Dr White would never acknowledge that. How do you find his explanation of when Jesus says " Why call me good, there is none good but God"?
1MoreMuslim 1 year ago
well, there are limits to how much I can write here. But to be brief I do accept what White said about that text. However, his point needs to be developed more fully and with time constraints you simply can't do that.
shamounian 1 year ago
@shamounian You can PM me if you want.
1MoreMuslim 1 year ago
@shamounian
Are you the true imposter?
MrGrandDragon 1 year ago
@MrGrandDragon aren't you the true terrorist who threatened me harm last time? And what do you mean a true imposter? I was telling the truth when I said I thought that Abdullah's closing statements were excellent.
shamounian 1 year ago
@shamounian
Read my comment again. Your paranoia is beginning to get ugly my friend.
If your attitude is so hateful on Youtube then I would dread to imagine how bad it is in real life, in your home, or else where.
I don't see how that is inciting any threat towards you, in fact it is the exact opposite. But for someone as deluded as you I think it would be easy to misinterpret things.
If you genuinely find his closing statements excellent then that is very good. :)
MrGrandDragon 1 year ago
@MrGrandDragon, it would really be nice if Muslims could put things in perspective and practice what they preach. The reason why I say the things I do is because I am dealing with particular Muslims who have no shame in lying, perverting, twisting my Scriptures and/or insulting, slandering, blaspheming my God and his Apostles. So please be consistent and tell your fellow Muslims to refrain from this type of behavior so that relationships between us can improve.
shamounian 1 year ago
You are the proof of what I am saying here. Didn't you and I have a nice long discussion on the possibility of God becoming human? Did I ever insult you during our exchanges? I treated you with respect because you maintained respect even though we were passionate about our differences.
shamounian 1 year ago
Good debate,carried out in a decent manner. Thanks MBC, you always come with the good debates.
muslim610 1 year ago