I basically agree with you that paying careful attention to the hygiene is a reasonable thing to do, however, injecting untested substances into tens of millions of people is irresponsible.
How can you tell that the flu shot is going to help people and not harm them in the long run? If they created the shots for 6 months, how are you sure that the shots won't cause cancer in large masses of people even if the virus is not that harmful?
How can you evaluate which has more benefits and which bears more risks without a comprehensive clinical study?
Those weren't people playing Russian rulet, that was a scene from a Vietnam movie. The Vietnamese gave them an option on weather to shoot themselves or be killed by a harsh punishment.
was'nt swine flu just scare mongering from the big pharma corps so they could sell you more bullshit meds? i think it was. im certain i had swine flu. i would go as far as to say no-one died from swine flu.
The guy said he agreed with a lot of things Ron Paul said, but regarding health/infectious disease, and that all of a sudden makes him a butt buddy of the state? What a crock of shit.
I had the swine flu (confirmed by my doctor). The symptoms are indeed the same as the regular flu but feel much, MUCH worse. I wouldn't wish the swine flu on anyone... not even a creationist.
I got over the swine flu the same way I got over past cases of the regular flu... chicken soup, orange juice, Nyquil, and sleep.
I'm sorry. PLEASE DON'T READ THIS you will die in seven days if you don't post this comment on 10 videos in the next hour. if you do, tomorrow will be the best day of your life
The hook is in RP's saying "The government shouldn't be in the medical BUSINESS". Never forget that in the US it's the medical BUSINESS that's in charge (play on words pun-intentional) of people's health. People might ask, "If you can give people government funded swine flu vaccinations then why not other treatments?" This would be bad news for the medical business.
And I'm disappointed that you agree with anyone of RP's ilk considering who he represents.
i think you should stay in the realm of theoretical science, but not politics or economics. i give u an example. in france, the gov't ordered 94m doses of those vaccines costing 1b euros (reuters). 10% was used (aljazeera). that flu killed only 198 in france (wiki). world bank estimates 3b euros are needed to end malaria deaths (1m deaths total, WHO). if france had given 1b to africa, 300k ppl didnt have to die in 2009. dont look at an issue from just one angle, because it makes u look stupid.
Ron Paul is not against flu vaccines.. he is against government bureaucratic management/spending of flu vaccines. he believes (as do I) that free people should organise absent government agression to meet their healthcare needs, it is not a proper role of government to seize control/monopoly of flu vaccines.
@DaveC86 It definitely is. something as important as a vaccine that could save your life stop further infection, Is NOT something you want to capitalize on. It would be unwise to take on the risks of capitalism for such an important "product"
this is painfully ignorant of reality... what risks of capitalism are you talking about? tell me, is food an important 'product'? we need food to survive.. capitalism has produced the greatest abundance of food in world history where famines are now a thing of the past. in order to create the largest supply and best quallity vaccines we need free market forces working, not a monopoly state. don't confuse the current healthcare system/mess with anything to do with capitalism.
@DaveC86 I'm not saying that capitalism is wrong, Nor do I care about America's Healthcare system. With risks of capitalism I simply mean that comanies can go bankrupt, or try to use cheaper materials for their vaccines to maximize
profit. To say "hands off government, let the free market decide how the vaccines will be made" seems like taking a huge risk. I hope you see where i'm coming from. would you care to explain how exactly "free market forces" can do a better job? thank you.
in the free market the governments role is to enforce contracts/law and punish fraudsters (someone knowingly selling dodgey medicine for example). whenever the state runs ANYTHING it necessarily results in poor quallity, no innovation, shortages etc the freemarket is by far the most effective means to deliver the most urgent wants of the masses, to really understand why this is can't be summed up in a youtube comment.. you need to go mises.org and read a few of their many free books.
@DaveC86 Free books subvert the free market. Everything in the free market is for sale to whoever can afford the price, which is always what the market can bear. The fact that committed capitalists are offering anything for free makes it immediately suspect. Could it be that they're distributing specious propaganda that promotes their own interests? But of course not, capitalists don't believe in self interest, they're all selfless, benevolent philanthropists like Mr Madoff, et al.
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I will be a lil bit nasty and ask this - For who are you working mister Thunderf00t? Maybe get statistics and some facts? Look how many people DIE from normal FLU. Italy now makes shit in pants becouse they bought so much vaccination and dunno wat to do with it ofc not counting other countries. Swine flu is a BIG SCAM.
fact of the matter is H1N1 or not ITS THE FLU, yes people will die from it...Children, the elderly, folks with compromised immune systems. If you fall into one of those categories, get vaccinated, if not... ITS THE FLU, you'll get a fever and the shits for a few days and then get rollin' again.
i had the swine flu when its was going around. it was probably the sickest i've ever been (i've never been all that sick) but it certainly didn't kill me.
So for 2009 from the end of April through then beginning of October you state the U.S has had 302 deaths per almost half the year; I have also heard similar numbers (248), but The Center of Disease and Control states per annual average that the *regular* seasonal flu kills 36,000. Why are you not worried more about this than the swine flu?
Yeah lets start to apply morals to the illnesses you have Most people have Hiv you see. Then you aren't allowed to do one fucking thing at all. Only sit at home, and just sit, perhaps look at the television or surf the internet. and have no physical or even be in the same room to anyone. This would be unhealthy for our consumer and work-based society so I say: Let it happen.
TFoot, I respect you and your videos but this displays a very small part of the whole. The virus was already under production and patented before the outbreak. WHO changed the requirements for a "level 6" pandemic barely 2 weeks before the outbreak, not to mention the continued lies and deceptions that continue. I do agree, however, that a responsible world body must be in place to assess & suggest treatment, but ensure it is a TRUSTWORTHY source. Evidence supports WHO no longer qualifies.
short to say, i belong FAR to the left, but i do not see small fortunes as a problem(but super wealths yes), i view the accumulation of power as the greatest flaw, something not even communism can tackle, hence replace private power whit state power will only leave you whit the same problem, it also grows extrem internal corruption and political stagnation.
BUT i am currently on the mission to write a book to fully encompass this issue and present viable solution!:)
well i can say this first of the bat, swine flue was indeed crafted, the same company that produce the vaccine filed a patent for the swine flue three months before the first reported case, yes massive corruption at a terrible scale.
i my self is brought up by a socialist mother, and non-reactionary communist father.....
i grew up in sweden, a democracy whit socialist roots.
so being brought up in a "poor" family presented almost no social cliffs for me.
Technology/Science have been developed within specific historical contexts by powerful interests that gained great advantage from their development.
You are confusing Government with State. The State protects wealthy moneyed interests and trans national corporations. Government and "democracy" were conceived to protect the majority from the abuses of the wealthy minority. Politics is just an illusion to make people think they live in a democracy. That's another subject.
plix read my coms, and if you want the link i can try and look it up, but i feel that it is unnecessary as it was practically proven right when it finally surfaced exactly how diluted all statistics had been, and that WHO is going to be investigated, or at least spanish media stated so.
(2009 death tool: stationary 250000 deaths
swine 15000-25000)
pleas correct if im wrong, my memory is a bit fussy:)
against the pharmaceutical company for criminal negligence concerning a "mislabeled" transportation of the swine flue on a commercial train, in which the swine flue container exploded.
and the extremely aggressive vaccine.
this was all filed in a 69 pages long accusation to a swedish legal instance, this was backed up whit a six month study, so im just mentioning the tip of the iceberg.
just a shame its al on swedish and i cant find the link.
now the legal actions against WHO, one of the reasons was a memo whit guidelines sent to nations to not test the vaccine, since, as quoted "possible side effects would become apparent whit in the population" a bit taken out of context, but it is a valid summery.
And other dubious actions suggesting criminal/corrupt behavior.
the classification of the flue as bio wep. for being humanly created.
weeell im pro vaccine in General, but i was really just skeptical of this flue, and so i started to dig in, and i found ALOT of disturbing, and quite authentic sources, so the first warning signs was all the odd things, so i started to dig really deep, and then i stumbled upon a study by a swedish journalist, who was actually compiling a legal case against WHO, the pharmaceutical company in creating the vaccine and also the reiteration of the flue to bio-wep.
@canaan1967 are you kidding? we've irradicated small pox which has killed over half a billion, billions have been saved to things such as water treatment. If science is so useless whhy are you reaping the benifits of it?? being the computer you are sitting, every other device u may use, if it wasnt for science you would probably be dead by now. So just live in your fantasy world... and leave science alone!
I never said that I thought science was useless. I am talking about Modern Medicine and Microbiology. There are no viruses, they have never been isolated. Pastuer and Koch were total frauds. The Whole modern medical paradigm was conceived for profit
Technology is not the same as science. Most technology is financed by the wealthy investor class and trans national corporations. By the way computers were research,designed and funded by the public domain with public money
weeeeeeeeeeell two issues whit your statement first of the bat, yes the invention of the personal computer was in a garage by a small company called apple, not by public domain, who focused mainly on military dev.
secondly. blame corrupt bureaucracy and political stagnation for the short comings of society not science, science do not choose who invests in it.
science is just a player in the world, and politics is the game.
No, Apple benefited from the cumulative knowledge and research that was financed by society through tax revenues. Entrepreneurial innovation by one person in IMHO is just a myth.
Bureaucracy only corrupts science to the extent they are controlled by investor class and corporate interest. Everything we have ever learned or have been taught to believe has to be looked at through an economic interpretation.
Thunderf00t is unwittingly acting as a tool for the State when he promotes hysteria about a non existent virus. Viruses make money. Vaccinations, pharmaceuticals...... The Swine Flu is part of Bush's Pandemic Influenza Stategic Plan. Donald Rumsfeld was former chairman of Gilead which developed Tamiflu.
I don't mean the Swine Flu was manufactured but the idea of it was. It is non-existent. Just like there were non terrorists. Dick Cheney and Ralph Eberhardt choreographed the 911 attack on those innocent people in the twin towers. 911 was a flase flag committed by the components of the US State under the guise of "terrorism" in the same way that the Swine Flue myth was propagated as a pandemic.
Thunderf00t is promoting authoritative "declared" science not the "pure" science.
""There are no viruses, they have never been isolated. Pastuer and Koch were total frauds. ""
You`re a moron. Viruses can be viewed using electron microscopes, there genomes have been sequenced and they have been shown irrefutably to have a demonstrable effect on the health of living Cells.
""Technology is not the same as science."" Care to site a source for this claim? All technologies everywhere are the product of a scientific understanding of the functioning of the universe.
Do you think that Microsoft would pay for the years and years of computer research paid for by public dollars? Science and Tech only reap profits.
As far as water goes hydrofluorisilic acid which is added to most public drinking water is a by product of industrial waste. Industrial Gas emissions are sprayed down and collected. If they dump it in the ground or river it's a biohazard but if it is added to our drinking water supply then suddenly it's a "nutrient:
@canaan1967 yes people are greedy and yes their are some bad sides to science, which it is trying to correct itself, but in the end its irrelevant because of the effects science has a whole on society, you will not be able to get away from it no matter what you say you are still getting the benifits from science.. its everywhere.. if you dont believe in science go out and hunt your own food, stop useing your phone, your stove, your fridge, your car, your T.V. and so on
There is a difference between science and technology. MOst science and technology is coopted by the wealthy interests. We have depleted soil, processed, synthetic foods, resource depletion, toxins in water, air and food military technology that is only for killing. Haiti was not an earthquake it was HAARP. Where do I stop? I'm not a primitivist, that would be monstrous You want real scientists go to theperthgroup . com (HIV is a hoax) or westonaprice . org for real nutrition
Water privatization has become a lucrative business for trans nationals and is another subject so i won't go into it.
Industry went with the germ theory of disease to cover up for the diseases that toxins cause.
ALL DISEASE IS CAUSED BY CELLUAR STRESS. THE ONLY THING EXOGENOUS THAT ENTERS THE BODY ARE TOXINS. GERMS ARE THERE TO PROCESS DISEASED AND DEAD TISSUE THEY ARE DOING NATURES WORK. IT'S CELLULAR STRESS AND REDOX THAT CAUSES DISEASE.
again I am not against science, I'm an athiest. But most science today is unnecessary. For example health can be maintained not by Medical Cabals but with nurient dense foods This is what weston Price is all about. What has Monsanto done to that possiblity with in the name of modern science?
Another example. HIV is not the causative agent in AIDS. Aids is caused by cellular stress from mal nutrition, corticosteroids, nitric oxide (poppers) illicit drugs, prescription
multiple sex partners, antibiotics. Eleni Papadopoulos' Redox theory of cellular stress in relaTion to AIDS was first researched in 1984 and published in 1986. It's called a Mitotic Theory. Luc Montagnier is no hedging his bets and going with her theory without giving her proper credit.
The "HIV" drugs, a product of "Science' are causing Liver failure and death along with further cellular stress.
GALLO HAS BEEN FOUND TO BE A TOTAL FRAUD BY MANY NOBEL LAUREATES
I can understand your point of view, that the good of the many outweighs the good of the few. But what about the people who haven't gotten sick, & haven't gotten the vaccine because they are afraid of a negative reaction. I saw videos where a cheerleader came down with Dystonia after the seasonal flu vaccine, and that wasn't even the H1N1 vaccine. Imagine how much worse it might make it for somebody suffering from Dystonia, Parkinsons, or ANY neurological disorder. Just something to consider.
You do not need to take vaccines if you practice a healthy diet & rely on herbal remedies routinely. All medicine derives from a plant in the beggining. The only reason why herbal medicine doesn't work on the average person is because they have become reliant on the extract (high doses) that pharmacutical companies put out. The Chinese have used herbs for 1000's of years and still do. I have been solely reliant on herbs & veggies for 13yrs & havnt got sick since, and I worked in ER mostly.
"You do not need to take vaccines if you practice a healthy diet & rely on herbal remedies routinely."
Healthy diets and herbal remedies will not save you from the 40-70% mortality rate of Variola major (smallpox virus). I suspect that smallpox was not eradicated by healthy diets and herbal remedies....
ALL vaccines and ALL medicines come from plants such as herbs Orignally. The Pharmacutical companies turn them into extract High Doses and then give them as vaccines. I have a degree in this stuff what have you got? If you practice REGULARLY to eat these natural remedies then yes they can prevent anything just look at the Chinese who have been doing this for 1000's of years as their primary choice of care to this day.
that is great that you dont get sick. some people have a natural immunity to stuff. there is a gene out there that protects some people with certain heritage that doctors have been trying to replicate as a multi vaccine. perhaps you might have such gene. if so you would be a lucky person.
If you have a disease and know you do then you are to blame. It doesn't have a thing to do with getting a vaccine. If you are sick you get treated and stay out of public audiences until you are better. If not then you are willingly setting others up to get sick.
Ok I agree, but the US government has a track record that does not promote trust in itself from its population. Yes it is dangerous; yes I believe vaccines do work, but I just have an issue with a government created, widely distributed, vaccine, there is too much negative history.
at any given time there are a minimum of 11 deferent strains of the flu going around so you would need 11 deferent shots each year to protect yourself using vaccines and that is a dangerous call.
@tack534 Well, the reason why the government is scared of this is because they reviewed history and saw that this was a slight problem in post world war times. But your right why do we not care about the common flu that kills thousands of infants and elderly but worry so much about some other flu that only manages to get 50 million people in three years?
I just don't get how someone can trust a government that lies constantly to it peoples, whose scientists are sponsored by rogue pharmaceutical companies, who were involved in a number of questionable ethical events like the Tuskegee experiment, with caring about your health. Aren't you making false premises here thunderfoot? Other than that, there are indeed reputable scientists and doctors who were against the vaccine. Its production was rushed and mired with conspiracies.........
I'm with Ron Paul on this one. Everyone knows that vaccines are evil, because they cause autism (everyone except autism researchers, scientists, and doctors, anyway). Besides, the government is clearly part of a mass conspiracy involving the unicorn Illuminati to turn us into zombies under the guise of saving us from disease.
@zetanato Make sure your tinfoil hat is on nice n tight lol. I think RP is right, and there are even grains of truth in your other statements, but calm down eh.
@zetanato DAMN! You scared me there! After reading the first half of your highly rated comment I was thinking really depressing thoughts! :P In a way, you can say that the unicorn illuminati, son of Uber Jesus and the omnipotent popsicle, saved my day! ALL HAIL THE UNICORN, SAVIOUR OF WORLDS!
There are a wide number of reasons of why people reject the concept of mass inocculation. Firstly it is not Ron Paul's opinion that you should not vaccinate, he simply states that it ought not to be taxfunded, since it leads to underhanded sweet deals for big pharma. Secondly to accept your reasoning Thunderf00t one would have to assume that there is no danger associated with taking the inocculation itself, which most people will dismiss as patently false.
There is also a danger of taking a bath, since about 330 people drown in their bath tubs in the US every year. Does this statistic keep you from taking a bath?
[list of reasons why infrastructure matters, and why infrastructure isn't produced by the "free market"]."
Ah, but that is a dig at the free market. Free markets don't do infrastructure. Industrial societies need infrastructure. So functioning industrial societies will not be pure free-market societies.
Conversely, pure free-market societies will not be industrial. As the Americans are currently learning, to their considerable discomfort.
haha so true, for some time california was talking about closing their boarders for this lol, now its all just old news and no one really cares anymore
As a huge supporter of Ron Paul, I agree with Thunderf00ts assertion. You have to remember Ron Pauls entire 30+ year public image is framed around additional government controls, measures, or issuances being thwarted. He has to maintain this stance no matter what, or his delicate position within the halls of the enemy can be in danger. Ron Paul back peddling on his values can end in his demise...We need Mr. Paul, so I am willing to overlook his public stance on this issue.
Pan(ic)demia--This US$ Trillion and a Half Bailout of the Pharmaceutical Industry!
Recall The Gurdian's Sept. 20, 2009 article: "Swine flu 'could kill millions unless rich nations give £900m'--UN report says pandemic may result in anarchy unless western world pays for antiviral drugs and vaccines"?
Goog: "Council of Europe will investigate and debate on 'Faked Pandemics' "
The real problem is "Crying Wolf" - Swine Flu's danger was great exaggerated (it killed nowhere near the figure suggested here) and with the previous swathe of non-events (SARs, Bird Flu etc) there's a huge danger of apathy should a really dangerous pandemic occur.
How do you know it's a real pandemic until its too late? You have to expect the worst and prepare yourself for what may come. If it goes away then, well that's a good thing right? But next time you might not be so lucky.
Mad Cow, SARS, Bird Flu, Aren't we seeing a trend here? I'm still waiting for this 'pandemic' and actually.. I can't remember the last time I heard about Swine Flu. Its all a load of rubbish if you ask me. Just another vaccine to jab into everyone, containing fuck knows what.
I think you're trying to miss the point here, because for me it is so easy to at least see the possibility that the whole Swine Flu thing was blown out of proportion intentionally.
The swine flu is a bad flu to have, but as far as fatalities go, the seasonal flu we have are FAR worse. I happen to know a biologist that knows a microbiologist in Spain who said just that. Being overdone. Not worse then the regular flu pandemic we have EVERY SINGLE year.
While this is true, we don't make a big deal out of the new flu viruses that come out every year, why was this one so big? Right at the beginning they claimed "possibly hundreds dead" in Mexico, then it turned around to "Ok, so like 5 people died"
Doesn't that sort of thing scream media hype? How much money was put into the vaccines? Right at the economic downswing, certainly got a lot of capital to switch hands, didn't it?
This is semantics, but its really disappointing to see so many people try to refute swine flu as an epidemic, or pandemic based on how many people it does or does not KILL. Go read and learn what constitutes a disease to be classified as pandemic, or epidemic and note that the definitions say NOTHING about 'kill rate'. If a disease spreads quickly affecting many people at once, its an epidemic. If it affects people in many countries its a pandemic. LEARN SOMETHING PLEASE!
Now it appears that this flu isn't going to be as deadly as the 1918 one, but that doesn't mean we should think we'll never see a flu that deadly again. Its smart to be prepared. Thats really what this video is all about; being prepared. Lions are known to kill people, but some are tame. That doesn't mean we should assume that all lions are now tame.
Oh and I'm still waiting on the data of "overwhelming deaths/damage" due to the "deadly vaccine" to come in. :-)
Even if you're a skeptic and don't follow conspiracies. You can't tell me you whole heartedly trust what is put in those vaccines.
My cousin was diagnosed with it, but she never had it, she just had the FLU, but since the doctors and hospitals were panicking, they were telling everyone to call from home and if you have FLU like symptons, it's most probably SWINE FLU. Makes me wonder how many people actually had 'swine flu' and not just the Flu with an over the phone diagnosis.
Over the years we have all been lied to by many false Religous Leaders and so called prophets. Many things we have been taught are not even in Scripture and millions have swallowed so many lies by these false leaders. If you are a truth seeker please visit the web site which is displayed in our user name and take the time to read some of the articles... You will be very shocked.
There is a great audio there for you to listen to. You will come away asking many questions.
I was diagnosed and guess what 5 days later it passed like any old seasonal flu. This 'Epidemic' Is just something for the human race to worry about same as 2012, global warming, asteriods, God and pandas. :D
The death rate isn´t 1 out of 3 infected or 33%, its roughly 0.5% worldwide and decreasing. Still your point of view is correct and its too many deaths.
Whatever this flu's 'kill-rate' is, it can't BEGIN to compare with the 1914-1918 flu pandemic... The planet is overpopulated with humans, and we need another "Black" plague, since the human race isn't smart enough to limit its own population over-growth... If it hadn't been for Bubonic plague decimating the populations of Europe, we might still be under Papal Rome's imperial thumb, as the unrest and doubt generated by the massive deaths of the "Black" plague shattered religion's stranglehold.
Did anyone tell this Thunderf00t person that deaths from swine flue PALES in comparison to the seasonal flu. This was overhyped by the media and blown way out of proportion.
One person???? I know several people in my state alone that died from "swine flu" N1H1 not to mention many other people in each state. It just started and anyone can get it so why would the Government make a virus like that? That's just stupid not to mention there would be people involved who would leak such a scheme if it were true. So people in think this is a Government flu, believe whatever Orwellian scifi/fanatsy Bullshit you want, I will respect your opinion less.
i dont see why you are picking on ron paul. personally i think the US gov created and unleashed this flu to sell vaccines and scare the people into being good little sheep
swine flu has cold-like symptoms. my kids brought it home from school right after it started. im not sure if it was the swine flu or not but...it has symptoms like a chest cold. vitamin D is the best defense. direct sunlight on bare skin winter sun isnt enough.
I can attest to these claims made by Gooodwitch. I'm currently living in a college dorm where little yellow quarantine signs started popping up for about a week. Most people recovered, from what the doctor's tested to be swine flu, within a couple days. However, there were people who were hospitalized as a result of it. Even if you think it's just a cold, it's still a good idea to go and get tested, just to make sure you don't spread it to somebody with a weaker immune system.
I think anything that can potentially cause death on any scale will always see media hype, Media loves things that people are afraid of, people whom are afraid are also easily manipulated.
I also believe substantial amount of people are only half-skeptical, They don't trust the vaccine or medicine and are skeptical of it. Somebody makes a claim about it, but they are not skeptical against the claim and accept it willingly even it the claim is unfounded and medicine safe.
If you are not certain about the safety of a vaccine or medicine, the best thing to do is research it yourself and not make a basis on idle claims of scientific morons (I usually don't use such insults but these people are causing deaths so I find no harm in it).
Is this still open for debate? Because if so, there was a recent news article stating that ANY flu-like symptom was categorized as swine flu without the proper analysis, leaving Ron Paul's instinct still correct.
Ron Paul's instinct was that the swine flu would come and pass and nothing bad would happen, wasn't it? He -was- right, because like thunderfoot said, just because he guessed right doesn't mean no danger existed. We know that viruses like the swine flu can kill millions, because its happened in the past.
I'm not sure how what you're saying ties to Ron Paul's predictions.
There have been over 65 million swine flu vaccines administered worldwide, and probably about 150 severe adverse reactions to it, with a small subset of those reactions (in the range of 10-20) actually being fatal. Peanut butter causes more serious allergic reactions than this vaccine does.
Sorry, that should read 250, not 150, first of all.
It's from a transcript of a Press Conference with Dr Marie-Paule Kieny with the Vaccine Research World Health Organization that took place this past November 19th. She said that 1 in 260000 reactions to the vaccine are "severe", meaning about 170 in the US and about 25 in Canada. I said 250 (or meant to) to be safe. "Severe" reactions don't necessarily kill the person, and in fact rarely do.
Say a childs toy, and not a vaccine was causing those reactions in similar numbers, would the toy be deamed to be safe?
The 250 severe-but-not-severe-enough-to-kill-you reactions kinda confirms my point though: the vaccine isn't safe and no amount of WHO propaganda will change my mind.
IMHO, the virus is manmade, was spread deliberately and the vaccine makers are complicit in it.
Say a vehicle of some kind was causing 250 DEATHS a year, let alone "severe reactions", and would you consider that safe? Well, I'd hope you would, because that's about 0.6% of the number of fatalities caused by cars in the US every year.
Your analogy doesn't work because vaccines, like cars, are tradeoffs between damage and utility. We accept the damage they cause because they offset it with utility. In the case of vaccines, they save many more lives than they harm.
In the UK, about 99% of traffic accidents are caused by driver error. Mechanical defects account for under 1% and that small amount is mostly attributed to human error too ie; poor vehicle maintenance (source: govt speed awareness course I went on)
Modern cars undergo ferocious saftey testing, and deaths caused by bad design are effectively zero.
The last car to cause fatalities from a design defect was the Audi TT. It killed two people before it was recalled and the problem rectified.
Swine flu vaccine didn't undergo safety testing, any where near the level modern cars do.
I could produce evidence of improved vehicle design directly correlating to a reduced number of fatalities and serious injuries, but there isn't any evidence that even suggests that the H1N1 vaccine has saved a single life.
(cont.) For example, smallpox no longer exists. Why do you think that is? It's because of global coordinated vaccination. The smallpox virus actually died out because it couldn't find any hosts. Tons of other vaccines have pretty much halted diseases in their tracks, including MMR, HepB, whooping cough and just about any disease that babies are vaccinated against early on. Before vaccination, infectious disease the the NUMBER ONE population control agent. Now, it's nowhere near that.
Smallpox does still exist in weapons labs, but I agree it's eradication in the wild is (in part at least) due to vaccines.
Interesting choice of words though. Population control agent makes it sound like H1N1 is a tool, which is exactly what it is.
Serious question: Do you think profit driven, big-pharma companies can be trusted, and do you think giving children/babies who have an under-developed immune system, the cocktail of crap that's in the vaccines, is a good idea?
The idea that giving babies vaccines because their immune systems don't work is fallacious. No baby is given a vaccine with active pathogens in it, they're all only given antigens, which can't make the baby sick. I'm not all that worried about other additives because the only bad responses are allergic, which can happen in babies like in adults equally.
I trust vaccines because I know how they work, and they're shown to work. I don't know about the industry itself though.
You're misquoting and patronising me now. I said babies immune systems are underdeveloped, not that they 'don't work' and it's pretty damn obvious that live viruses aren't in vaccines: otherwise they'd be propagating the virus themselves.
"which can't make the baby sick"
Wrong
"I'm not all that worried about other additives"
So formaldehyde, Thimerosal, polyoxidonium and squalene are safe to be injected into the bloodstream? I'd sooner crack open a thermometer and drink that.
I wasn't trying to misquote you, I just phrased it differently. I figured you'd realize what I meant. By the way, I HAVE an education in immunology...and, no, it's not wrong. The only thing that can make you sick after injecting antigen into your body is your own immune reaction to it (which is called an allergy).
Some vaccines do contain "live" viruses. Attenuated ones, so they're weakened and cannot cause disease, but live nonetheless, and yes, these vaccines work.
Thimerosal degrades quickly and is gone after about 2 weeks at most. Formaldehyde has not shown adverse effects and has been used for decades, you'd think if it was toxic someone would've noticed by now. There are 25 ug ( 25 millionths of a gram) of squalene in some vaccines, which is about the same amount of it you'd find in a drop of vegetable oil or on your hands in your fingerprints, and the only information I could find on polyoxidonium were papers on its effectiveness.
Thimerosal contains almost 50% mercury, which, as I'm sure you know, can cause irreversible nervous system/brain damage.
"Damaged brain functions can cause degradation of learning abilities, personality changes, tremors, vision changes, deafness, muscle incoordination and memory loss."
But fortunatley those effects only last 2 weeks?... Phew!
Thimerosal contains ETHYLmercury, not metallic mercury. You know table salt is sodium chloride? Both sodium and chlorine are highly toxic, but combine them and you get something healthy and necessary.
Likewise, ethylmercury isn't toxic in the small doses in which its administered, and is unable to enter the brain like metallic mercury can. In addition, ethylmercury has a half-life in blood of 4 days, which means that after 2 weeks, about 90% of it is gone anyway.
For future reference, I make it a point NEVER to patronize or antagonize the people I speak with on youtube, and that applies to you, too. If it sounds like I'm trying to misquote you or make you look bad, think twice and interpret it differently, because I won't ever do that.
I don't think we're going to agree here. I'm not doubting you know your stuff, but I think there's a lot of disinformation that's pushed as fact by those educated (or indoctriated) in this field.
What I'd like to ask you about your point of view is what exactly your empirical evidence is. You make a lot of arguments as to why vaccines are toxic, but nearly every child in north america and europe receives like 8-12 vaccines in the first years of their lives, and very near NONE show any signs of anything negative at all. It's also evident that vaccines prevent disease VERY well. We simply don't observe what you say we should be. Why not?
When did I claim to have evidence? What did I say we should be observing?
This is getting boring, so I quit. You're 100% right, a better person, and much much smarter than I am. Vaccines are good for you, all the ingredients are harmless, the WHO loves us, you win and I lose. Happy?
You explained why thimerosal was toxic, and mentioned about 4 other compounds that you claim are toxic. I assumed you had a reason to believe that. If you don't claim to have evidence, why do you hold the view you do?
I'm not exactly sure when I managed to offend you. All I asked you was why we weren't seeing obvious toxic effects in the vast array of people who receive a dozen vaccines by the time they're six years old. This is fundamental to the idea that vaccines are toxic.
Why does the reason for the deaths matter? They still cause 40 000 deaths and that's considered acceptable. Those 40 000 deaths would not occur if cars were banned (or at least, most of them).
Vaccines DO undergo safety testing, by the way, in form of clinical trials. It's difficult to "prove" that vaccines save lives, because you can't really show that a peson did not get a disease because of the vaccine. However, there's PLENTY of proof that vaccines work.
There's no ulterior motive behind automotive safety, it's in the interests of manufacturers to keep their customers alive and to avoid lawsuits.
It's in the interests of big-pharma for swine-flu to infect millions, because they're making a profit from selling the vaccines.
H1N1 vaccine is being given to people on a whim. Diagnosis can be done over the phone here, and it's the only illness I can think of that is diagnosed in this way.
I'm not sure what you're arguing in favor of right now. Our original discussion had to do with whether or not vaccines were safe. You then said that there's no evidence that the H1N1 vaccines have ever saved lives. I'm trying to say that 250 allergic reactions to something isn't abnormal or "unsafe", and that vaccines do demonstrably work. Why are you bringing up phone diagnosis and ulterior motives?
actually i pretty much don't understand why everyone gets so scared when it comes to 'people dying from influenza'... our world is completely overpopulated.. and such pandemics are a pretty good method of getting rid of a couple of million people. guess that's kind of a misanthropic view - but for the health of the planet earth- no harm done. :)
H1N1 the little virus that couldn't. What an over-hyped piece of crap. You lost all credibility with this one. If you gullible enough to fall for the obvious money making scheme of the big corporate pharmacies and their admitted bogus vaccine shortages, then you a complete ass.
Man, I wasn't for the shot either, but this guy is only posing his thoughts on it, I don't think that calls for name calling or loss of credibility. If you watch his other videos you'll understand.
I basically agree with you that paying careful attention to the hygiene is a reasonable thing to do, however, injecting untested substances into tens of millions of people is irresponsible.
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How can you tell that the flu shot is going to help people and not harm them in the long run? If they created the shots for 6 months, how are you sure that the shots won't cause cancer in large masses of people even if the virus is not that harmful?
How can you evaluate which has more benefits and which bears more risks without a comprehensive clinical study?
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praise the state more
Evilfisher 1 week ago
Also, at 3:26 you said H1N5, not H5N1.
havee3333333 10 months ago
Those weren't people playing Russian rulet, that was a scene from a Vietnam movie. The Vietnamese gave them an option on weather to shoot themselves or be killed by a harsh punishment.
havee3333333 10 months ago
Remember bird flu people? Yeah you don't, same thing over-hype by the media.
Jebusrulez 11 months ago
your a massive wimp thunderf00t.
ramp2tramp 11 months ago
was'nt swine flu just scare mongering from the big pharma corps so they could sell you more bullshit meds? i think it was. im certain i had swine flu. i would go as far as to say no-one died from swine flu.
ramp2tramp 11 months ago
@ramp2tramp
Prove it.
LarsJanZeeuw 9 months ago
@LarsJanZeeuw do you want to be anymore ambiguous?
ramp2tramp 9 months ago
fuck you thunderf00t, butt buddy of the state.
myst3rix 1 year ago
@myst3rix
The guy said he agreed with a lot of things Ron Paul said, but regarding health/infectious disease, and that all of a sudden makes him a butt buddy of the state? What a crock of shit.
TurboDally 11 months ago
I'm lucky that I have the Terminator of immune systems, but I'm glad you made it out of the flu thing alright.
Zuifan 1 year ago
I had the swine flu (confirmed by my doctor). The symptoms are indeed the same as the regular flu but feel much, MUCH worse. I wouldn't wish the swine flu on anyone... not even a creationist.
I got over the swine flu the same way I got over past cases of the regular flu... chicken soup, orange juice, Nyquil, and sleep.
Marc3c 1 year ago
Ive recently got the flu. I had the exact same symtoms you had thunderf00t
minnesotavikingsnfl 1 year ago
Can you not just admit you were wrong??
bobbaz2401 1 year ago
The swine flu wasn't worse than regular flu. It was just different because it originated from another place.
There was just a bunch of cynical oppurtunists who fabricated how dangerous it supposedly were, so they could profit from it.
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redsoxbllr 1 year ago
The hook is in RP's saying "The government shouldn't be in the medical BUSINESS". Never forget that in the US it's the medical BUSINESS that's in charge (play on words pun-intentional) of people's health. People might ask, "If you can give people government funded swine flu vaccinations then why not other treatments?" This would be bad news for the medical business.
And I'm disappointed that you agree with anyone of RP's ilk considering who he represents.
colourmegone 1 year ago 2
i think you should stay in the realm of theoretical science, but not politics or economics. i give u an example. in france, the gov't ordered 94m doses of those vaccines costing 1b euros (reuters). 10% was used (aljazeera). that flu killed only 198 in france (wiki). world bank estimates 3b euros are needed to end malaria deaths (1m deaths total, WHO). if france had given 1b to africa, 300k ppl didnt have to die in 2009. dont look at an issue from just one angle, because it makes u look stupid.
tetleydidley 1 year ago
Ron Paul is not against flu vaccines.. he is against government bureaucratic management/spending of flu vaccines. he believes (as do I) that free people should organise absent government agression to meet their healthcare needs, it is not a proper role of government to seize control/monopoly of flu vaccines.
DaveC86 1 year ago
@DaveC86 It definitely is. something as important as a vaccine that could save your life stop further infection, Is NOT something you want to capitalize on. It would be unwise to take on the risks of capitalism for such an important "product"
BartvG88 1 year ago
@BartvG88
this is painfully ignorant of reality... what risks of capitalism are you talking about? tell me, is food an important 'product'? we need food to survive.. capitalism has produced the greatest abundance of food in world history where famines are now a thing of the past. in order to create the largest supply and best quallity vaccines we need free market forces working, not a monopoly state. don't confuse the current healthcare system/mess with anything to do with capitalism.
DaveC86 1 year ago
@DaveC86 I'm not saying that capitalism is wrong, Nor do I care about America's Healthcare system. With risks of capitalism I simply mean that comanies can go bankrupt, or try to use cheaper materials for their vaccines to maximize
profit. To say "hands off government, let the free market decide how the vaccines will be made" seems like taking a huge risk. I hope you see where i'm coming from. would you care to explain how exactly "free market forces" can do a better job? thank you.
BartvG88 1 year ago
@BartvG88
in the free market the governments role is to enforce contracts/law and punish fraudsters (someone knowingly selling dodgey medicine for example). whenever the state runs ANYTHING it necessarily results in poor quallity, no innovation, shortages etc the freemarket is by far the most effective means to deliver the most urgent wants of the masses, to really understand why this is can't be summed up in a youtube comment.. you need to go mises.org and read a few of their many free books.
DaveC86 1 year ago
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@DaveC86 Allright, ill check it out. Thanks.
BartvG88 1 year ago
@DaveC86 Free books subvert the free market. Everything in the free market is for sale to whoever can afford the price, which is always what the market can bear. The fact that committed capitalists are offering anything for free makes it immediately suspect. Could it be that they're distributing specious propaganda that promotes their own interests? But of course not, capitalists don't believe in self interest, they're all selfless, benevolent philanthropists like Mr Madoff, et al.
colourmegone 1 year ago
There are multiple sites and videos on Youtube explaining how each portion of the Protocol functions to help those suffering from primarily viral diseases and has personally helped me with my CFS. Please visit the Unleash Health site for more information on the Protocol and therapy!
unleashhealth 1 year ago
I will be a lil bit nasty and ask this - For who are you working mister Thunderf00t? Maybe get statistics and some facts? Look how many people DIE from normal FLU. Italy now makes shit in pants becouse they bought so much vaccination and dunno wat to do with it ofc not counting other countries. Swine flu is a BIG SCAM.
radzio1488 1 year ago
fact of the matter is H1N1 or not ITS THE FLU, yes people will die from it...Children, the elderly, folks with compromised immune systems. If you fall into one of those categories, get vaccinated, if not... ITS THE FLU, you'll get a fever and the shits for a few days and then get rollin' again.
MrShaftius 1 year ago
i had the swine flu when its was going around. it was probably the sickest i've ever been (i've never been all that sick) but it certainly didn't kill me.
viking977 1 year ago
So for 2009 from the end of April through then beginning of October you state the U.S has had 302 deaths per almost half the year; I have also heard similar numbers (248), but The Center of Disease and Control states per annual average that the *regular* seasonal flu kills 36,000. Why are you not worried more about this than the swine flu?
xxxsssxxxsss 1 year ago
Yeah lets start to apply morals to the illnesses you have Most people have Hiv you see. Then you aren't allowed to do one fucking thing at all. Only sit at home, and just sit, perhaps look at the television or surf the internet. and have no physical or even be in the same room to anyone. This would be unhealthy for our consumer and work-based society so I say: Let it happen.
Wacram 1 year ago
I love the stupidity at those saying it was over-hyped.
Good, I'm glad it didn't turn out to be what the media was talking about it becoming.
Mean's millions won't die from it.
And you idiots would be the first complaining that enough wasn't done if it did turn out to be as bad or even worst then what the media feared.
I know you idiots would act like that.
mecher3k 1 year ago
i am grateful for people like Ron who exposed their nasty trick, so much less people suffered from bad effects of this toxic vaccine.
behumble4God 1 year ago
@behumble4God - You know, we should ban vaccines altogether. So you can get things like Polio and stuff. Everyone needs to experience such things.
LeksServices 1 year ago
@LeksServices
I agree. Dr. Len Horowitz knows a lot about vaccines. This is just short clip,
watch?v=GScQxmAloZE
he has many good lectures too
behumble4God 1 year ago
@behumble4God
Actually he's a fucking idiot, let's see there's the entire scientific community, or one fucktard?
Retard.
mecher3k 1 year ago
TFoot, I respect you and your videos but this displays a very small part of the whole. The virus was already under production and patented before the outbreak. WHO changed the requirements for a "level 6" pandemic barely 2 weeks before the outbreak, not to mention the continued lies and deceptions that continue. I do agree, however, that a responsible world body must be in place to assess & suggest treatment, but ensure it is a TRUSTWORTHY source. Evidence supports WHO no longer qualifies.
brightsorcerer 1 year ago
And i hate to break it to you, representative democracy is just not viable at all.
not offering enough control to the people.
I would prefer direct democracy whit out political representation or maybe even some form of anarchy.
And the only given argument i have ever heard against anyone of those is that it puts to much trust on the common man.
agonaxe 1 year ago
short to say, i belong FAR to the left, but i do not see small fortunes as a problem(but super wealths yes), i view the accumulation of power as the greatest flaw, something not even communism can tackle, hence replace private power whit state power will only leave you whit the same problem, it also grows extrem internal corruption and political stagnation.
BUT i am currently on the mission to write a book to fully encompass this issue and present viable solution!:)
no small task indeed^^
agonaxe 1 year ago
No, I am not a Ron Paul fan. I am a marxist and proud of it. Ron Paul, although correct about Swine Flue, is a pro corporate anti labor tea bagger
canaan1967 1 year ago
@canaan1967
well i can say this first of the bat, swine flue was indeed crafted, the same company that produce the vaccine filed a patent for the swine flue three months before the first reported case, yes massive corruption at a terrible scale.
i my self is brought up by a socialist mother, and non-reactionary communist father.....
i grew up in sweden, a democracy whit socialist roots.
so being brought up in a "poor" family presented almost no social cliffs for me.
agonaxe 1 year ago
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@agonaxe:
"swine flue was indeed crafted"
No, it wasn't. It mutated. That is what viruses do.
"the same company that produce the vaccine filed a patent for the swine flue three months before the first reported case,"
Can you provide a reputable source to back up that statement? And by reputable I don't mean blogs or conspiracy peddlers.
BlankVellum 1 year ago
@agonaxe
It's all part of Bush's and Obama's Pandemic Influenza Strategic Plan.
Thunderf00t is a shill for the Plutocracy and the status quo. He's indoctrinated
canaan1967 1 year ago
Technology/Science have been developed within specific historical contexts by powerful interests that gained great advantage from their development.
You are confusing Government with State. The State protects wealthy moneyed interests and trans national corporations. Government and "democracy" were conceived to protect the majority from the abuses of the wealthy minority. Politics is just an illusion to make people think they live in a democracy. That's another subject.
canaan1967 1 year ago
plix read my coms, and if you want the link i can try and look it up, but i feel that it is unnecessary as it was practically proven right when it finally surfaced exactly how diluted all statistics had been, and that WHO is going to be investigated, or at least spanish media stated so.
(2009 death tool: stationary 250000 deaths
swine 15000-25000)
pleas correct if im wrong, my memory is a bit fussy:)
science<3
corrupt bureaucracy </3
agonaxe 1 year ago
against the pharmaceutical company for criminal negligence concerning a "mislabeled" transportation of the swine flue on a commercial train, in which the swine flue container exploded.
and the extremely aggressive vaccine.
this was all filed in a 69 pages long accusation to a swedish legal instance, this was backed up whit a six month study, so im just mentioning the tip of the iceberg.
just a shame its al on swedish and i cant find the link.
also my english isn't up to par, so sorry:)
agonaxe 1 year ago
now the legal actions against WHO, one of the reasons was a memo whit guidelines sent to nations to not test the vaccine, since, as quoted "possible side effects would become apparent whit in the population" a bit taken out of context, but it is a valid summery.
And other dubious actions suggesting criminal/corrupt behavior.
the classification of the flue as bio wep. for being humanly created.
A claim he give evidence for.
more on next com.
agonaxe 1 year ago
weeell im pro vaccine in General, but i was really just skeptical of this flue, and so i started to dig in, and i found ALOT of disturbing, and quite authentic sources, so the first warning signs was all the odd things, so i started to dig really deep, and then i stumbled upon a study by a swedish journalist, who was actually compiling a legal case against WHO, the pharmaceutical company in creating the vaccine and also the reiteration of the flue to bio-wep.
cont. on next comment.
agonaxe 1 year ago
Thunderf00 is a Pharma Shill.
The Germ Theory of Disease has been canceled. Even Pasteur admitted he was wrong. Science for the win? NO! Science for Self Interest
canaan1967 1 year ago
@canaan1967 science has saved billions of lives
Trevor10 1 year ago
@Trevor10
Modern Medicine is the N0 1 killer in the US. THere is no clinical benefit to any treatment, drug, therapy etc...
canaan1967 1 year ago
@canaan1967 are you kidding? we've irradicated small pox which has killed over half a billion, billions have been saved to things such as water treatment. If science is so useless whhy are you reaping the benifits of it?? being the computer you are sitting, every other device u may use, if it wasnt for science you would probably be dead by now. So just live in your fantasy world... and leave science alone!
Trevor10 1 year ago
@Trevor10
I never said that I thought science was useless. I am talking about Modern Medicine and Microbiology. There are no viruses, they have never been isolated. Pastuer and Koch were total frauds. The Whole modern medical paradigm was conceived for profit
Technology is not the same as science. Most technology is financed by the wealthy investor class and trans national corporations. By the way computers were research,designed and funded by the public domain with public money
canaan1967 1 year ago
@canaan1967
weeeeeeeeeeell two issues whit your statement first of the bat, yes the invention of the personal computer was in a garage by a small company called apple, not by public domain, who focused mainly on military dev.
secondly. blame corrupt bureaucracy and political stagnation for the short comings of society not science, science do not choose who invests in it.
science is just a player in the world, and politics is the game.
dont hate the player hate the game;)
agonaxe 1 year ago
@agonaxe
No, Apple benefited from the cumulative knowledge and research that was financed by society through tax revenues. Entrepreneurial innovation by one person in IMHO is just a myth.
canaan1967 1 year ago
@agonaxe
Bureaucracy only corrupts science to the extent they are controlled by investor class and corporate interest. Everything we have ever learned or have been taught to believe has to be looked at through an economic interpretation.
canaan1967 1 year ago
@agonaxe
Thunderf00t is unwittingly acting as a tool for the State when he promotes hysteria about a non existent virus. Viruses make money. Vaccinations, pharmaceuticals...... The Swine Flu is part of Bush's Pandemic Influenza Stategic Plan. Donald Rumsfeld was former chairman of Gilead which developed Tamiflu.
canaan1967 1 year ago
@canaan1967
I don't mean the Swine Flu was manufactured but the idea of it was. It is non-existent. Just like there were non terrorists. Dick Cheney and Ralph Eberhardt choreographed the 911 attack on those innocent people in the twin towers. 911 was a flase flag committed by the components of the US State under the guise of "terrorism" in the same way that the Swine Flue myth was propagated as a pandemic.
Thunderf00t is promoting authoritative "declared" science not the "pure" science.
canaan1967 1 year ago
""There are no viruses, they have never been isolated. Pastuer and Koch were total frauds. ""
You`re a moron. Viruses can be viewed using electron microscopes, there genomes have been sequenced and they have been shown irrefutably to have a demonstrable effect on the health of living Cells.
""Technology is not the same as science."" Care to site a source for this claim? All technologies everywhere are the product of a scientific understanding of the functioning of the universe.
AcanLord 1 year ago 3
@Trevor10
cont....
Do you think that Microsoft would pay for the years and years of computer research paid for by public dollars? Science and Tech only reap profits.
As far as water goes hydrofluorisilic acid which is added to most public drinking water is a by product of industrial waste. Industrial Gas emissions are sprayed down and collected. If they dump it in the ground or river it's a biohazard but if it is added to our drinking water supply then suddenly it's a "nutrient:
canaan1967 1 year ago
@canaan1967 yes people are greedy and yes their are some bad sides to science, which it is trying to correct itself, but in the end its irrelevant because of the effects science has a whole on society, you will not be able to get away from it no matter what you say you are still getting the benifits from science.. its everywhere.. if you dont believe in science go out and hunt your own food, stop useing your phone, your stove, your fridge, your car, your T.V. and so on
Trevor10 1 year ago
@Trevor10
There is a difference between science and technology. MOst science and technology is coopted by the wealthy interests. We have depleted soil, processed, synthetic foods, resource depletion, toxins in water, air and food military technology that is only for killing. Haiti was not an earthquake it was HAARP. Where do I stop? I'm not a primitivist, that would be monstrous You want real scientists go to theperthgroup . com (HIV is a hoax) or westonaprice . org for real nutrition
canaan1967 1 year ago
@canaan1967 yess and technology is a product OF science! no science no technology
Trevor10 1 year ago
@Trevor10
Water privatization has become a lucrative business for trans nationals and is another subject so i won't go into it.
Industry went with the germ theory of disease to cover up for the diseases that toxins cause.
ALL DISEASE IS CAUSED BY CELLUAR STRESS. THE ONLY THING EXOGENOUS THAT ENTERS THE BODY ARE TOXINS. GERMS ARE THERE TO PROCESS DISEASED AND DEAD TISSUE THEY ARE DOING NATURES WORK. IT'S CELLULAR STRESS AND REDOX THAT CAUSES DISEASE.
canaan1967 1 year ago
@canaan1967 everything your TALKING about came from science, you woulnt know any one that if it wasnt for science
Trevor10 1 year ago
@Trevor10
again I am not against science, I'm an athiest. But most science today is unnecessary. For example health can be maintained not by Medical Cabals but with nurient dense foods This is what weston Price is all about. What has Monsanto done to that possiblity with in the name of modern science?
Another example. HIV is not the causative agent in AIDS. Aids is caused by cellular stress from mal nutrition, corticosteroids, nitric oxide (poppers) illicit drugs, prescription
canaan1967 1 year ago
@Trevor10 HIV cont...
multiple sex partners, antibiotics. Eleni Papadopoulos' Redox theory of cellular stress in relaTion to AIDS was first researched in 1984 and published in 1986. It's called a Mitotic Theory. Luc Montagnier is no hedging his bets and going with her theory without giving her proper credit.
The "HIV" drugs, a product of "Science' are causing Liver failure and death along with further cellular stress.
GALLO HAS BEEN FOUND TO BE A TOTAL FRAUD BY MANY NOBEL LAUREATES
canaan1967 1 year ago
I can understand your point of view, that the good of the many outweighs the good of the few. But what about the people who haven't gotten sick, & haven't gotten the vaccine because they are afraid of a negative reaction. I saw videos where a cheerleader came down with Dystonia after the seasonal flu vaccine, and that wasn't even the H1N1 vaccine. Imagine how much worse it might make it for somebody suffering from Dystonia, Parkinsons, or ANY neurological disorder. Just something to consider.
opv8888 1 year ago
This is a joke! Vaccines are a way to control human population. Don't take them....I never do.
russtex 1 year ago
at least one person is on my side lol
FixedByDoc 1 year ago
You do not need to take vaccines if you practice a healthy diet & rely on herbal remedies routinely. All medicine derives from a plant in the beggining. The only reason why herbal medicine doesn't work on the average person is because they have become reliant on the extract (high doses) that pharmacutical companies put out. The Chinese have used herbs for 1000's of years and still do. I have been solely reliant on herbs & veggies for 13yrs & havnt got sick since, and I worked in ER mostly.
FixedByDoc 1 year ago
"You do not need to take vaccines if you practice a healthy diet & rely on herbal remedies routinely."
Healthy diets and herbal remedies will not save you from the 40-70% mortality rate of Variola major (smallpox virus). I suspect that smallpox was not eradicated by healthy diets and herbal remedies....
TurboDally 1 year ago
ALL vaccines and ALL medicines come from plants such as herbs Orignally. The Pharmacutical companies turn them into extract High Doses and then give them as vaccines. I have a degree in this stuff what have you got? If you practice REGULARLY to eat these natural remedies then yes they can prevent anything just look at the Chinese who have been doing this for 1000's of years as their primary choice of care to this day.
FixedByDoc 1 year ago
"ALL vaccines and ALL medicines come from plants such as herbs Orignally."
Not ALL vaccines come from plants, although in the case of medicines its a majority that comes from plant derivatives made at higher conc.
"I have a degree in this stuff what have you got?"
And you couldn't get the vaccine bit right? I haven't even got my degree yet and still know this.
"they can prevent anything"
They can't prevent everything, make you healthier, yes, but not prevent everything.
TurboDally 1 year ago
@FixedByDoc I am a heavy smoker, fat, and do not often wash my hands. I might get sick once a year on average.
MrHambergator 1 year ago
that is great that you dont get sick. some people have a natural immunity to stuff. there is a gene out there that protects some people with certain heritage that doctors have been trying to replicate as a multi vaccine. perhaps you might have such gene. if so you would be a lucky person.
FixedByDoc 1 year ago
@FixedByDoc
"The Chinese have used herbs for 1000's of years and still do."
Yet fucktard they aren't leading in anything health related, amazing.
mecher3k 1 year ago
If you have a disease and know you do then you are to blame. It doesn't have a thing to do with getting a vaccine. If you are sick you get treated and stay out of public audiences until you are better. If not then you are willingly setting others up to get sick.
FixedByDoc 1 year ago
Ok I agree, but the US government has a track record that does not promote trust in itself from its population. Yes it is dangerous; yes I believe vaccines do work, but I just have an issue with a government created, widely distributed, vaccine, there is too much negative history.
Ambelghan 1 year ago
stupid birds
horeman44 2 years ago
oooo, 302 ppl die from swine flu, BUT thousands die every year from regular flu, but no one cares about them
tack534 2 years ago 18
That would be because the is no such thing as a regular flu. What we call the flu is a continually evolving strain of the influenza virus.
Many strains of it are known and new ones are seen every year. That is why you get a new flu shot every year.
sashex 1 year ago
at any given time there are a minimum of 11 deferent strains of the flu going around so you would need 11 deferent shots each year to protect yourself using vaccines and that is a dangerous call.
FixedByDoc 1 year ago
Yes, if it was a vaccine was against one type of the influenza virus. It's not, it is made of an amalgam of strains.
In the end you need 1 shot during flu season and the danger of it is less then 1 100th of dying from the flu.
sashex 1 year ago
@tack534 Thats because most of them are niggers, duh!
FlameRev 1 year ago
@tack534 It's really sad that your ignorance of the concept of genetic shift got you ten thumbs up.
videorprologic 1 year ago
@tack534 Well, the reason why the government is scared of this is because they reviewed history and saw that this was a slight problem in post world war times. But your right why do we not care about the common flu that kills thousands of infants and elderly but worry so much about some other flu that only manages to get 50 million people in three years?
Heyprinny 1 year ago
i had it, its a mild form of the regular flu
tack534 2 years ago
a thoughtful and very well-intended post thunderfoot
DrakeMagnum 2 years ago
I just don't get how someone can trust a government that lies constantly to it peoples, whose scientists are sponsored by rogue pharmaceutical companies, who were involved in a number of questionable ethical events like the Tuskegee experiment, with caring about your health. Aren't you making false premises here thunderfoot? Other than that, there are indeed reputable scientists and doctors who were against the vaccine. Its production was rushed and mired with conspiracies.........
nubian377 2 years ago 2
I'm with Ron Paul on this one. Everyone knows that vaccines are evil, because they cause autism (everyone except autism researchers, scientists, and doctors, anyway). Besides, the government is clearly part of a mass conspiracy involving the unicorn Illuminati to turn us into zombies under the guise of saving us from disease.
zetanato 2 years ago 13
@zetanato Make sure your tinfoil hat is on nice n tight lol. I think RP is right, and there are even grains of truth in your other statements, but calm down eh.
rooflee 1 year ago
@zetanato DAMN! You scared me there! After reading the first half of your highly rated comment I was thinking really depressing thoughts! :P In a way, you can say that the unicorn illuminati, son of Uber Jesus and the omnipotent popsicle, saved my day! ALL HAIL THE UNICORN, SAVIOUR OF WORLDS!
Wallebille 10 months ago
@zetanato are you fucking serious? :D
ray4ix 6 months ago
There are a wide number of reasons of why people reject the concept of mass inocculation. Firstly it is not Ron Paul's opinion that you should not vaccinate, he simply states that it ought not to be taxfunded, since it leads to underhanded sweet deals for big pharma. Secondly to accept your reasoning Thunderf00t one would have to assume that there is no danger associated with taking the inocculation itself, which most people will dismiss as patently false.
Xeogt 2 years ago
There is also a danger of taking a bath, since about 330 people drown in their bath tubs in the US every year. Does this statistic keep you from taking a bath?
DrakeMagnum 2 years ago
"Now, this is not a dig at the free market, but
[list of reasons why infrastructure matters, and why infrastructure isn't produced by the "free market"]."
Ah, but that is a dig at the free market. Free markets don't do infrastructure. Industrial societies need infrastructure. So functioning industrial societies will not be pure free-market societies.
Conversely, pure free-market societies will not be industrial. As the Americans are currently learning, to their considerable discomfort.
ThatIsNotDeadWhich 2 years ago
In this regard thunderfoot you judged wrongly.
It turns out this flue wasn't anywhere near that deadly to healthy individuals.
The flu vaccine was obviously a corporate scam, doctors and health institutes were bribed, put pressure upon.
And now the flu has gone and it will most likely come back in a few years slightly mutated. And the whole charade will repeat itself.
I for one plan to rely on a healthy immune system till the situation becomes really dire.
zmelkoow 2 years ago 2
haha so true, for some time california was talking about closing their boarders for this lol, now its all just old news and no one really cares anymore
lvl70shampally 2 years ago
If heath care is that important to you then at the next election don't vote conservative
get the flu jab now
tango909 2 years ago
my immune system kicks the shit out of swine flu. :)
equallyeasilyfuqyou 2 years ago
Yeah mine too. ;-) it looks like the media In Europe got bored of swine flu and no one cares anymore. This stupid hysteria is finally over :-)
Danath23 2 years ago
As a huge supporter of Ron Paul, I agree with Thunderf00ts assertion. You have to remember Ron Pauls entire 30+ year public image is framed around additional government controls, measures, or issuances being thwarted. He has to maintain this stance no matter what, or his delicate position within the halls of the enemy can be in danger. Ron Paul back peddling on his values can end in his demise...We need Mr. Paul, so I am willing to overlook his public stance on this issue.
XhosStyleX 2 years ago
i blame thomas malthus
dwdeclare 2 years ago
Pan(ic)demia--This US$ Trillion and a Half Bailout of the Pharmaceutical Industry!
Recall The Gurdian's Sept. 20, 2009 article: "Swine flu 'could kill millions unless rich nations give £900m'--UN report says pandemic may result in anarchy unless western world pays for antiviral drugs and vaccines"?
Goog: "Council of Europe will investigate and debate on 'Faked Pandemics' "
DanHadan 2 years ago
The real problem is "Crying Wolf" - Swine Flu's danger was great exaggerated (it killed nowhere near the figure suggested here) and with the previous swathe of non-events (SARs, Bird Flu etc) there's a huge danger of apathy should a really dangerous pandemic occur.
intruder313 2 years ago
@intruder313;
How do you know it's a real pandemic until its too late? You have to expect the worst and prepare yourself for what may come. If it goes away then, well that's a good thing right? But next time you might not be so lucky.
wayn3h 2 years ago
Mad Cow, SARS, Bird Flu, Aren't we seeing a trend here? I'm still waiting for this 'pandemic' and actually.. I can't remember the last time I heard about Swine Flu. Its all a load of rubbish if you ask me. Just another vaccine to jab into everyone, containing fuck knows what.
Subliminallll 2 years ago 4
its FLU you turd, FLU, not fukin aids
mikesomething 2 years ago
The Spanish Flu was just a flu. It only killed 60 million people.
SuperMegaAtheistMan 2 years ago
Thunderfoot!
I think you're trying to miss the point here, because for me it is so easy to at least see the possibility that the whole Swine Flu thing was blown out of proportion intentionally.
The swine flu is a bad flu to have, but as far as fatalities go, the seasonal flu we have are FAR worse. I happen to know a biologist that knows a microbiologist in Spain who said just that. Being overdone. Not worse then the regular flu pandemic we have EVERY SINGLE year.
Tairaa2 2 years ago 2
@Tairaa2
while I do agree to a certain extent
I'd sooner have my smoke alarm go off due to cigarette smoke from the far end of the house
than have the alarm wait until the smoke is thick and black before going off
Shadizar666 2 years ago
While this is true, we don't make a big deal out of the new flu viruses that come out every year, why was this one so big? Right at the beginning they claimed "possibly hundreds dead" in Mexico, then it turned around to "Ok, so like 5 people died"
Doesn't that sort of thing scream media hype? How much money was put into the vaccines? Right at the economic downswing, certainly got a lot of capital to switch hands, didn't it?
Tairaa2 2 years ago
ive a few links on this subject hope they are of some help.
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all lifes very best all the time.
MYENDLESSPATH 2 years ago
This is semantics, but its really disappointing to see so many people try to refute swine flu as an epidemic, or pandemic based on how many people it does or does not KILL. Go read and learn what constitutes a disease to be classified as pandemic, or epidemic and note that the definitions say NOTHING about 'kill rate'. If a disease spreads quickly affecting many people at once, its an epidemic. If it affects people in many countries its a pandemic. LEARN SOMETHING PLEASE!
SillyCyban 2 years ago
Now it appears that this flu isn't going to be as deadly as the 1918 one, but that doesn't mean we should think we'll never see a flu that deadly again. Its smart to be prepared. Thats really what this video is all about; being prepared. Lions are known to kill people, but some are tame. That doesn't mean we should assume that all lions are now tame.
Oh and I'm still waiting on the data of "overwhelming deaths/damage" due to the "deadly vaccine" to come in. :-)
SillyCyban 2 years ago
Even if you're a skeptic and don't follow conspiracies. You can't tell me you whole heartedly trust what is put in those vaccines.
My cousin was diagnosed with it, but she never had it, she just had the FLU, but since the doctors and hospitals were panicking, they were telling everyone to call from home and if you have FLU like symptons, it's most probably SWINE FLU. Makes me wonder how many people actually had 'swine flu' and not just the Flu with an over the phone diagnosis.
Subliminallll 2 years ago
Over the years we have all been lied to by many false Religous Leaders and so called prophets. Many things we have been taught are not even in Scripture and millions have swallowed so many lies by these false leaders. If you are a truth seeker please visit the web site which is displayed in our user name and take the time to read some of the articles... You will be very shocked.
There is a great audio there for you to listen to. You will come away asking many questions.
Blessings
Thanks Ben
2besavedcom 2 years ago
I was diagnosed and guess what 5 days later it passed like any old seasonal flu. This 'Epidemic' Is just something for the human race to worry about same as 2012, global warming, asteriods, God and pandas. :D
rawchicken123 2 years ago
More people die of seasonal flu than to H1N1; yet H1N1 is more infectious, though it seems to mutate to a less potent strain each time.
dredoc1 2 years ago
The death rate isn´t 1 out of 3 infected or 33%, its roughly 0.5% worldwide and decreasing. Still your point of view is correct and its too many deaths.
dredoc1 2 years ago
Whatever this flu's 'kill-rate' is, it can't BEGIN to compare with the 1914-1918 flu pandemic... The planet is overpopulated with humans, and we need another "Black" plague, since the human race isn't smart enough to limit its own population over-growth... If it hadn't been for Bubonic plague decimating the populations of Europe, we might still be under Papal Rome's imperial thumb, as the unrest and doubt generated by the massive deaths of the "Black" plague shattered religion's stranglehold.
WWZenaDo 2 years ago
Thank you.
ender003 2 years ago
Did anyone tell this Thunderf00t person that deaths from swine flue PALES in comparison to the seasonal flu. This was overhyped by the media and blown way out of proportion.
CDubSD 2 years ago 4
accidentally rated it one star. down thumb me
KowaruKei 2 years ago
One person???? I know several people in my state alone that died from "swine flu" N1H1 not to mention many other people in each state. It just started and anyone can get it so why would the Government make a virus like that? That's just stupid not to mention there would be people involved who would leak such a scheme if it were true. So people in think this is a Government flu, believe whatever Orwellian scifi/fanatsy Bullshit you want, I will respect your opinion less.
artblack01 2 years ago
i dont see why you are picking on ron paul. personally i think the US gov created and unleashed this flu to sell vaccines and scare the people into being good little sheep
Gooodwitch 2 years ago
swine flu has cold-like symptoms. my kids brought it home from school right after it started. im not sure if it was the swine flu or not but...it has symptoms like a chest cold. vitamin D is the best defense. direct sunlight on bare skin winter sun isnt enough.
Gooodwitch 2 years ago
I can attest to these claims made by Gooodwitch. I'm currently living in a college dorm where little yellow quarantine signs started popping up for about a week. Most people recovered, from what the doctor's tested to be swine flu, within a couple days. However, there were people who were hospitalized as a result of it. Even if you think it's just a cold, it's still a good idea to go and get tested, just to make sure you don't spread it to somebody with a weaker immune system.
x64ghost 2 years ago
I advocate quarantine for infected individuals, of course after that you then have the prospect of dealing with carriers.
I myself have never opted to get a vaccine simply becuase I follow standard santiation procedurces and avoid close contact with other people.
I fully trust vaccines, but I would only use them if I felt I were at risk.
Grospoliner 2 years ago
I think anything that can potentially cause death on any scale will always see media hype, Media loves things that people are afraid of, people whom are afraid are also easily manipulated.
I also believe substantial amount of people are only half-skeptical, They don't trust the vaccine or medicine and are skeptical of it. Somebody makes a claim about it, but they are not skeptical against the claim and accept it willingly even it the claim is unfounded and medicine safe.
DoomsdayR3sistance 2 years ago
If you are not certain about the safety of a vaccine or medicine, the best thing to do is research it yourself and not make a basis on idle claims of scientific morons (I usually don't use such insults but these people are causing deaths so I find no harm in it).
DoomsdayR3sistance 2 years ago
H1N5 XD!
xSathya96x 2 years ago
Is this still open for debate? Because if so, there was a recent news article stating that ANY flu-like symptom was categorized as swine flu without the proper analysis, leaving Ron Paul's instinct still correct.
Hypocrisies 2 years ago 2
@Hypocrisies
Ron Paul's instinct was that the swine flu would come and pass and nothing bad would happen, wasn't it? He -was- right, because like thunderfoot said, just because he guessed right doesn't mean no danger existed. We know that viruses like the swine flu can kill millions, because its happened in the past.
I'm not sure how what you're saying ties to Ron Paul's predictions.
AnzaBrush 2 years ago
A few people at my school had the H1N1 flu. Another group of people had the vaccine. Nothing bad happened.
The swine flu so far seems to be just like the normal flu, just with more media hype.
The vaccine is beneficial, but it is still an infringement on a person's rights to force them to take it.
MarowakDidIt 2 years ago 2
Just because you don't die from the vaccine, doesn't mean it's safe either.
Worst. Thunderf00t. Video. Ever
RFID666 2 years ago
@RFID666
There have been over 65 million swine flu vaccines administered worldwide, and probably about 150 severe adverse reactions to it, with a small subset of those reactions (in the range of 10-20) actually being fatal. Peanut butter causes more serious allergic reactions than this vaccine does.
AnzaBrush 2 years ago
What source did that figure come from?
RFID666 2 years ago
@RFID666
Sorry, that should read 250, not 150, first of all.
It's from a transcript of a Press Conference with Dr Marie-Paule Kieny with the Vaccine Research World Health Organization that took place this past November 19th. She said that 1 in 260000 reactions to the vaccine are "severe", meaning about 170 in the US and about 25 in Canada. I said 250 (or meant to) to be safe. "Severe" reactions don't necessarily kill the person, and in fact rarely do.
AnzaBrush 2 years ago
Say a childs toy, and not a vaccine was causing those reactions in similar numbers, would the toy be deamed to be safe?
The 250 severe-but-not-severe-enough-to-kill-you reactions kinda confirms my point though: the vaccine isn't safe and no amount of WHO propaganda will change my mind.
IMHO, the virus is manmade, was spread deliberately and the vaccine makers are complicit in it.
RFID666 2 years ago
@RFID666
Say a vehicle of some kind was causing 250 DEATHS a year, let alone "severe reactions", and would you consider that safe? Well, I'd hope you would, because that's about 0.6% of the number of fatalities caused by cars in the US every year.
Your analogy doesn't work because vaccines, like cars, are tradeoffs between damage and utility. We accept the damage they cause because they offset it with utility. In the case of vaccines, they save many more lives than they harm.
AnzaBrush 2 years ago
In the UK, about 99% of traffic accidents are caused by driver error. Mechanical defects account for under 1% and that small amount is mostly attributed to human error too ie; poor vehicle maintenance (source: govt speed awareness course I went on)
Modern cars undergo ferocious saftey testing, and deaths caused by bad design are effectively zero.
The last car to cause fatalities from a design defect was the Audi TT. It killed two people before it was recalled and the problem rectified.
RFID666 2 years ago
Swine flu vaccine didn't undergo safety testing, any where near the level modern cars do.
I could produce evidence of improved vehicle design directly correlating to a reduced number of fatalities and serious injuries, but there isn't any evidence that even suggests that the H1N1 vaccine has saved a single life.
RFID666 2 years ago
@RFID666
(cont.) For example, smallpox no longer exists. Why do you think that is? It's because of global coordinated vaccination. The smallpox virus actually died out because it couldn't find any hosts. Tons of other vaccines have pretty much halted diseases in their tracks, including MMR, HepB, whooping cough and just about any disease that babies are vaccinated against early on. Before vaccination, infectious disease the the NUMBER ONE population control agent. Now, it's nowhere near that.
AnzaBrush 2 years ago
Smallpox does still exist in weapons labs, but I agree it's eradication in the wild is (in part at least) due to vaccines.
Interesting choice of words though. Population control agent makes it sound like H1N1 is a tool, which is exactly what it is.
Serious question: Do you think profit driven, big-pharma companies can be trusted, and do you think giving children/babies who have an under-developed immune system, the cocktail of crap that's in the vaccines, is a good idea?
RFID666 2 years ago
@RFID666
The idea that giving babies vaccines because their immune systems don't work is fallacious. No baby is given a vaccine with active pathogens in it, they're all only given antigens, which can't make the baby sick. I'm not all that worried about other additives because the only bad responses are allergic, which can happen in babies like in adults equally.
I trust vaccines because I know how they work, and they're shown to work. I don't know about the industry itself though.
AnzaBrush 2 years ago
You're misquoting and patronising me now. I said babies immune systems are underdeveloped, not that they 'don't work' and it's pretty damn obvious that live viruses aren't in vaccines: otherwise they'd be propagating the virus themselves.
"which can't make the baby sick"
Wrong
"I'm not all that worried about other additives"
So formaldehyde, Thimerosal, polyoxidonium and squalene are safe to be injected into the bloodstream? I'd sooner crack open a thermometer and drink that.
RFID666 2 years ago
I wasn't trying to misquote you, I just phrased it differently. I figured you'd realize what I meant. By the way, I HAVE an education in immunology...and, no, it's not wrong. The only thing that can make you sick after injecting antigen into your body is your own immune reaction to it (which is called an allergy).
Some vaccines do contain "live" viruses. Attenuated ones, so they're weakened and cannot cause disease, but live nonetheless, and yes, these vaccines work.
AnzaBrush 2 years ago
Thimerosal degrades quickly and is gone after about 2 weeks at most. Formaldehyde has not shown adverse effects and has been used for decades, you'd think if it was toxic someone would've noticed by now. There are 25 ug ( 25 millionths of a gram) of squalene in some vaccines, which is about the same amount of it you'd find in a drop of vegetable oil or on your hands in your fingerprints, and the only information I could find on polyoxidonium were papers on its effectiveness.
AnzaBrush 2 years ago
Thimerosal contains almost 50% mercury, which, as I'm sure you know, can cause irreversible nervous system/brain damage.
"Damaged brain functions can cause degradation of learning abilities, personality changes, tremors, vision changes, deafness, muscle incoordination and memory loss."
But fortunatley those effects only last 2 weeks?... Phew!
RFID666 2 years ago
@RFID666
Thimerosal contains ETHYLmercury, not metallic mercury. You know table salt is sodium chloride? Both sodium and chlorine are highly toxic, but combine them and you get something healthy and necessary.
Likewise, ethylmercury isn't toxic in the small doses in which its administered, and is unable to enter the brain like metallic mercury can. In addition, ethylmercury has a half-life in blood of 4 days, which means that after 2 weeks, about 90% of it is gone anyway.
AnzaBrush 2 years ago
For future reference, I make it a point NEVER to patronize or antagonize the people I speak with on youtube, and that applies to you, too. If it sounds like I'm trying to misquote you or make you look bad, think twice and interpret it differently, because I won't ever do that.
AnzaBrush 2 years ago
OK, just my interpretation then.
I don't think we're going to agree here. I'm not doubting you know your stuff, but I think there's a lot of disinformation that's pushed as fact by those educated (or indoctriated) in this field.
RFID666 2 years ago
@RFID666
What I'd like to ask you about your point of view is what exactly your empirical evidence is. You make a lot of arguments as to why vaccines are toxic, but nearly every child in north america and europe receives like 8-12 vaccines in the first years of their lives, and very near NONE show any signs of anything negative at all. It's also evident that vaccines prevent disease VERY well. We simply don't observe what you say we should be. Why not?
AnzaBrush 2 years ago
When did I claim to have evidence? What did I say we should be observing?
This is getting boring, so I quit. You're 100% right, a better person, and much much smarter than I am. Vaccines are good for you, all the ingredients are harmless, the WHO loves us, you win and I lose. Happy?
RFID666 2 years ago
@RFID666
You explained why thimerosal was toxic, and mentioned about 4 other compounds that you claim are toxic. I assumed you had a reason to believe that. If you don't claim to have evidence, why do you hold the view you do?
I'm not exactly sure when I managed to offend you. All I asked you was why we weren't seeing obvious toxic effects in the vast array of people who receive a dozen vaccines by the time they're six years old. This is fundamental to the idea that vaccines are toxic.
AnzaBrush 2 years ago
It's just my opinion after reading various articles online about the alleged link between the rise in autism and vaccination.
I'm not offended, and I don't have an answer to everything but I know when I'm not getting anywhere.
RFID666 2 years ago
@RFID666
Why does the reason for the deaths matter? They still cause 40 000 deaths and that's considered acceptable. Those 40 000 deaths would not occur if cars were banned (or at least, most of them).
Vaccines DO undergo safety testing, by the way, in form of clinical trials. It's difficult to "prove" that vaccines save lives, because you can't really show that a peson did not get a disease because of the vaccine. However, there's PLENTY of proof that vaccines work.
AnzaBrush 2 years ago
There's no ulterior motive behind automotive safety, it's in the interests of manufacturers to keep their customers alive and to avoid lawsuits.
It's in the interests of big-pharma for swine-flu to infect millions, because they're making a profit from selling the vaccines.
H1N1 vaccine is being given to people on a whim. Diagnosis can be done over the phone here, and it's the only illness I can think of that is diagnosed in this way.
RFID666 2 years ago
@RFID666
I'm not sure what you're arguing in favor of right now. Our original discussion had to do with whether or not vaccines were safe. You then said that there's no evidence that the H1N1 vaccines have ever saved lives. I'm trying to say that 250 allergic reactions to something isn't abnormal or "unsafe", and that vaccines do demonstrably work. Why are you bringing up phone diagnosis and ulterior motives?
AnzaBrush 2 years ago
swine flu is man made
irkman123 2 years ago
there is a conspiracy behind the swine flu.!
irkman123 2 years ago
actually i pretty much don't understand why everyone gets so scared when it comes to 'people dying from influenza'... our world is completely overpopulated.. and such pandemics are a pretty good method of getting rid of a couple of million people. guess that's kind of a misanthropic view - but for the health of the planet earth- no harm done. :)
nilaya87 2 years ago
H1N1 the little virus that couldn't. What an over-hyped piece of crap. You lost all credibility with this one. If you gullible enough to fall for the obvious money making scheme of the big corporate pharmacies and their admitted bogus vaccine shortages, then you a complete ass.
InsaneGoonRules 2 years ago 2
Man, I wasn't for the shot either, but this guy is only posing his thoughts on it, I don't think that calls for name calling or loss of credibility. If you watch his other videos you'll understand.
MansonFreak 2 years ago
don't know who the narrator is but as i listened to this guy, he definately has it all wrong.
tsqrd1 2 years ago
Certainly not all media hype but the media sure spread the fear of it.
vardo5 2 years ago 5