"Sanctus" - John Taverner

[TheCrazyMattie]

the power and beauty of the human voice is a god given gift

[Briznanoth]

The living Tavener is a direct descendent if the late Taverner :)

[johann23]

Incredible.

[elephant1974]

VisioMusiscum

I have been desperately searching for this recording of the Taverner mass for years! I have the Tallis Scholars one but it's not a patch on this with the interspersed plain chant. Is there any way you could do me a copy on CD? I've contacted EMI directly but they have no plans to reissue the recording.

I would be eternally grateful!

[VisioMusicum]

@elephant1974

Unfortunately I don't have the recording of the whole mass by The Taverner Choir.

This small extract, which I found on an EMI (Reflex) sampler many years ago, is all I have.

My complete recording of this mass is also by The Tallis Scholars. I have always preferred the sound of the Taverner Choir.

[elephant1974]

VisioMusiscum

I have been desperately searching for this recording of the Taverner mass for years! I have the Tallis Scholars one but it's not a patch on this with the interspersed plain chant. Is there any way you could do me a copy on CD? I've contacted EMI directly but they have no plans to reissue the recording.

I would be eternally grateful!

[sptfgpn]

John Tavener is a friend of mine. We went to school together in Camden Town. He was a bit of a bully, to be honest, but I've forgiven him.

[pianiplunker]

@sptfgpn But this is the John Taverner that lived in the 1500s.

[PoesSoul7]

Bella cadenza finale.

[tomata182]

If I were to pick up one Tavner cd which should it be??? I love Arvo Part! (Give your top three favorites).

[pianiplunker]

@tomata182 The living John Tavener probably couldn't compose anything as good as this John Taverner that lived during the early 1500s.

[plasticPlaystation]

@pianiplunker Whaaat? The living Tarverner has magnificent music too; just one example: "The Celtic Requiem for Jenny Jones", had a remarkable modernist harmony.

[cmSol]

So beautiful and inspiring!

[awyliu]

Beautiful - but where is the rest of the piece?

[Sylwia13233]

Naprawdę świetne

Great!!!!!

[yourforte]

Indescribably beautiful.

[Vernic4]

beautiful!

[goldieken]

A delightful oasis of peace and beauty in these troubled times. Thank you.

[BondGirl29]

2 minutes of HEAVEN

[bilbobagins1951]

ok was god a spaceman??

[Xanty18]

Um.... You should really re-phrase those two sentences. They make no sense.

[bwanadic]

This is a sublime piece.

I'm a rock 'n roll fan, an athiest (although brought up as catholic) , crossing my boundaries here.

Bought 3 Taverner masses based on this. To repeat: sublime.

[conejoinmutablea]

God is calling you back.

[doggysector]

According to the literature very little is known of this man John Taverner, other then that he converted to Protestantism and abandon his music. However there is some debate on that. His music is awesome.

[nakedBison69]

John Tavener should change his name to John Taverner

[eloyhbermudez]

please someone teach me something aboaut John Taverner !!

[dormi87]

He lived in Poole

[GolderWalter1999]

wiki is your friend

[Chlodox]

I am very glad, that I have this CD since 8 years!

[AaronBenJoseph]

are you serious? There are infinite musical pieces, it isnt like Beethoven dicovered his piano sonatas he wrote them. The same as WIlliam Blake didnt discover songs of Innocence and experience he wrote them. Music is an art and a method of expressing emotion and although it may include scientific elements it is NOT a science.

[barytondeaf]

You're aware William Blake was not a composer, correct? Also, there is nothing infinite in the world. At some point, everything is finite. That being said, the comment posted by dxf323 is ridiculous. Not only is it in poor grammatical form, but it also is a dimwitted, ignorant view on this topic.

[barytondeaf]

You're aware William Blake was not a composer, correct? Also, there is nothing infinite in the world. At some point, everything is finite. That being said, the comment posted by dxf323 is ridiculous. Not only is it in poor grammatical form, but it also is a dimwitted, ignorant view on this topic. You'll understand when you're older.

[AaronBenJoseph]

Yes I am aware thank-you. I just prefer to refer to poets as composing a poem than writing for I feel to compose implies more control over the effect of the word. Yes dxf323 is being ridiculous, he obviously has little understanding of the creation of real music. No everything is not finite the most obvious example is numbers! Unless you can point out the end of numbers to me?

[billyguns2]

Is this performance by Pomerium or The Cambridge Singers?

[VisioMusicum]

This performance is by The Taverner Choir, directed by Andrew Parrott.

[nakedBison69]

am i the only one who has noticed that the older the music is, the better it is?

[NihilNominis]

Makes you wonder what the renowned Spartan women's choirs sang, doesn't it?

[nakedBison69]

yes, a day does not go by without me thinking of spartan women's choirs

[NihilNominis]

I'm not sure if you're being serious...?

What I meant was, in response to your contention that older music is better, image what the oldest of the old music, most of which is lost, would have sounded like.

And, surprisingly enough, warlike Sparta was greatly renowned across ancient Greece for its choirs.

[nakedBison69]

nihinominis is the last known surviving spartan musician

[NihilNominis]

Although part of my family does indeed originate from ancient Sparta, they quickly moved to Syria. Their newfound Orthodoxy quickly put an end to their old pagan music.

[nakedBison69]

even more pagan than ancient sparta is modern- day islamofascist syria

[NihilNominis]

Yet the Saleeby family was always Christian. Our very name means "cross". Care to demean me further?

[CantorNikolaos]

I hear ya! I left the chaos of modern 'relevant' false worship for refuge in the Orthodox Church. I love chanting ancient hymns. I have always loved medieval music as well as Eastern Orthodox music.

[billyguns2]

I am in total agreement! The older the music, the more free it becomes, with more daring harmonies and rhythms. As music progressed through the ages, more and more confining rules were laid down.

[nakedBison69]

well, it seems that music composers no longer even have any interest in following any rules.  i think the breakdown of great music ironically came with beethoven, who started out following the rules, only to throw them away later in life. after that, it was all downhill

[billyguns2]

I find your comments compelling. Yes, just think of Beethoven's last works, e.g. the incredible String Quartet in c-sharp minor, where he is dancing to his own drummer indeed. Liszt began writing strange, unstructured music at the end of his life ("Nuages gris" for example ), as did others. I tend to like the great originals, such as Berlioz, Mussorgsky, and Debussy, but the composers of hundreds of years ago were all great originals.

[nakedBison69]

see, when i listen to a composer like berlioz, he sounds like nothing more than a collection of loud, discordant noise that grates on my ears. contrast that with this John Taverner piece, or anything by somebody like Palestrina or William Byrd, and there is simply no contest which music is more beautiful and heavenly

[NiallMS]

You are speaking of different eras, different worlds.

[arniemazmax]

@billyguns2 Get lost!!!!!!!! We have the cheeky girls :)

[warnjr]

@billyguns2 have you heard tristan and isolde?

[billyguns2]

@warnjr Yes, and I've heard Prelude a l'apres-midi d'un faune and Le Sacre du printemps; I stand by my original statement.

[craziehorse]

awe inspiring!!

[janeym]

this is stunning! i love the english music best because of their high treble notes!

[Sepharite]

My gawd. This makes me really appreciate the human voice. Amazing...

[crazywales]

what the f*ck are you three talking about? you geeks.

sola, niall,nihil.

[MassimoofItalia]

no swearing...

[crazywales]

i didnt swear. you see what that meant to say was "fick".lol

[NihilNominis]

Which is the same curse word in German.

[screen317]

Absolutely amazing.

[NiallMS]

I don't know what the Council of Trent would have made of this music!

[SolaCatholica]

How do you mean? The Council of Trent was from 1545 to 1563. So this music is from an earlier date... if they had disapproved of it, they could have issued an Anathema lol

[NihilNominis]

I think he refers to the clause which states that the words must be understandable in contrapuntal music; the single most ignored clause in any church council, incidentally...:P

Great music! Thanks a million!

[mambriu]

aps...

my mistake...

Now I see the diference...

Taverner is not the same as Tavener...

I'm so stupid.

:D

[VisioMusicum]

No problem. Both the write lovely music. Quite a lot of people get confused by the similarity in the names. Taverner was organist at Lincoln Cathedral - which is why I included views of the cathedral in the video. Thanks for your interest.

[NihilNominis]

Interesting you should bring Tavener up; he is a direct descendant of Taverner.

[guruplonkaable]

@mambriu just wondered? are you still the same? if not good if so tell me I will help you.

[mambriu]

mmm...

then he is not the "John Tavener" that I thoght it could be.

[janeym]

ive heard that tavener is a direct descendent of taverner! their music is amazing!

[VisioMusicum]

He was born in 1490 and died in 1545.

[mambriu]

John Taverner (1490 - 1545)

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What do you mean with those dates???