The Thorn Birds - Maggie and Ralph II.

[lottakarma]

She hoped and dreamed her whole life for him. The pain was unbearable, but she bore it anyway.

[juiceboxesarecool]

It's Meggie.

[dolo1955]

merci et c'est avec un immense que je vois et revois cette sublime SAGA "the thorn Birds"...C'est de l ' AMOUR.......et restons simplement des hommes et aimons nous

merci JTM......

[TheRealNicolette]

Chcela by som vedieť,kedy to budú zas dávať v televízii...

[FelberJudit]

Gratulálok!Ez az összeállítás csodálatos

[ballettgirl09]

O dear...bad quality...but the story is sooooooo wonderful and nice!

When I've seen the film for the first time,I nearyl cryed!

(Sorry...my english is not the best!) :D

[mybuddy64]

yes i do love you becky klemme of davanport,iowa

[Atromitos888]

The Thorn Birds should be used as a conversion tool for Christianity. Much more spiritual than Mel's movie.

[aalexmary]

You are wrong. This movie should not be used as a conversion" tool" for Christianity. How could it? It shows a priest breaking all the religious vows. And it shows an adulterian Maggy. We oppose adultery. How can you say that it is more spiritual than the Passions of the Christ? Keep your unrealistic theories to yourself. And I am sure that you are not a Christian.

[Balmoda]

I'm a Christian but I don't think you should be quite so radical. There's a difference between adultery, meaning sexual lust, and love.. I agree that adultery is a sin, but in this film what happens between the characters is love, very strong and very deep. How can a true Christian oppose love?

[aalexmary]

It is adultery. Ralph was a priest (with a low faith, I must admit) and Megan was married. An adulterine "love" that hruts so many people does not come from above, but from somewhere else. Remember, not to commit adultery is one of the Ten Commandments. John the Baptist and Lord Jesus preach also against adultery.

[Atromitos888]

Thorn Birds is by far a better conversion tool towards Christianity than Mel's Passion which is as spiritual as a butcher shop. It also communicates the spirit of Jesus through the immortal Ralph de Bricassart much more successfully than does your humorless, preachy, self-righteous personality that brings to mind that nun who hits Meggie's hands with a ruler. Please take a break from religion. Psychology is much more appropriate in your case.

[aalexmary]

You don't say?!! Psychology? Just need a philologist because you are turning up side down the reality, if you say that a priest who is breaking his vows and an adulterous woman make some normal reality. That confirms me that you are an atheist with no moral. Thank God I am believer. If my faith in God keeps me away from adultery and immorality I bless the day when I started in believe in God. If you don't like the Passion of the Christ don't watch. You won't be able to understand it, anyway.

[Atromitos888]

Do yourself a favor and find a good psychotherapist because concealing your anti-social tendencies behind a facade of piety is not a wise life strategy. Remember, you need psychotherapy more than Christianity needs you. Good bye

[aalexmary]

I will not debate with your dirty mouth and with your dirty mind. I won't lower myself soooooo much. Anyway, I am almost glad that you are an adulterine person. Adios!

[aalexmary]

If I was or not in love is only my business, not yours. Thanks for your concern. I won't repeat the saying in my country about the "concern". I already wrote it in one of my previous comments. I understand people if they do the right thing. Adultery is not a right thing. Do you know how many innocent families, wives, husbands and children suffered and were persecuted in name of the adulterine "love"? How many lives were destroyed because the pure selfishness of physical lust?

[aalexmary]

Believe me; I know what I am talking about. Open your eyes, see the log from your own eye and start to think in a righteous manner.

[MIMIR50]

Enjoy life and stop taking it so dramatically!By the way the sadist movie"ThePassion"that you like so much was realized by MelGibson a good christian who just left his wife with 7 children,what do you think about that???

[MIMIR50]

You like to watch movies where people are tortured,you are intolerant and try to spell lessons to everybody.I wonder if God will appreciate that!But maybe you are just a very sick person!

I'm from the flower generation,so I forgive you and wish you PEACE AND LOVE, Au revoir!

[aalexmary]

Oh, my God. You are the good guy and I am the bad guy. In our days the righteous people are "sick" and the non-righteous are "loving". The scale of values is upside down now. I know that. The flower generation: sex, drugs and rock and roll. Love. Sure. Are the people who take drugs sick? It does not matter anyway. I did now see the "Passion of the Christ" and I sure don't enjoy anyone's suffering. You are just angry because I told you the truth and I showed you your sins.

[aalexmary]

Don't worry, we all are sinners. I forgive your words. I wish you a righteous love. A righteous love is the greatest gift. Sayonara.

[MIMIR50]

To end this passionate conversation,don't worry about my sins:No Drugs,no alcohol and only...marital sex!As we started this with our opinion about "The thorn birds,may i suggest that you try to see the movie again,and perhaps you will be touched by little Meggie who had one love in her life:Ralph.

I really think even God likes this so beautifull love story.And i see no adultery in this movie as Meggie's husband was everything but a husband to her.Arriverderci

[aalexmary]

You don't have to confess to me. I am not a priest. And I am not worried about your sins. Why should I be?

A husband is still a husband. Anyway, Ralph was a very selfish person. Sayonara (for good)

[angelcass03]

Where is the thornbirds video that has someone actually singing Meggie's Theme Anywhere Your goes? I saw it on here before but can not find it now

[Irgendwer7]

Only for romantic people.

[305yarray]

Thanks for not

lol im naked! k2

[trinitysolo]

quality's not that good =(

[KittyStarlight]

I think that one of the (several! ^_^) ideas that Colleen was going after with the book Tim was, wouldn't it be interesting if the man was (or at least, usually appeared to be!) more vulnerable than the woman (about half her age AND very young for his age!). I think that Colleen is fond of doing sort of role-reversal ideas anyway (and also, of making it clear to the audience that BOTH people can be protective of EACH OTHER! ^_^). =^___^=

[KittyStarlight]

One of the "themes" that was quite popular for a while was that the handicapped, including the mentally handicapped, were allowed/able to love EACH OTHER but didn't have any business being in love with anyone else! The neat thing about the book Tim is... it goes a lot deeper than just plots and themes. ^_^ (Pretty brilliant for an author's first published book, I think! ^_^) =^___^=

[KittyStarlight]

The casting was actually reasonably okay in the 1996 Mary and Tim movie...it was mostly the script/the changes/etc. that made it mediocre...they should've been brave enough, and old-fashioned enough, to just stick closer to the original. ^_^ (You can [maybe] figure out from one of my first posts about it that I knew that the book was written [well, at least set...AND written too!] in the 1970's...from my comment about the discrepancies between the decades!) True Love Forever ^_^

[KittyStarlight]

Some people (online) don't see TTB as being a love story...to which I reply (in my mind, at least! ^_~), "If the author didn't see it that way, then why did she write it that way?" Maybe in the miniseries it's not always obvious if the point is "romance" or not (although people SHOULD be able to see more than that if they look carefully)...but in the book, Love Itself shines through as being, well, what makes the world go 'round, I guess. ^_^ Family love too, not just romantic love.

[KittyStarlight]

Am I the only one who thinks that in a way Mary protecting/taking care of Tim (who is childlike) is sort of similar to Ralph protecting/taking care of Meggie when she was a child? ^_^ (If people claim that Ralph's friendship with the child Meggie must be "perverted" or something, I keep thinking that they should go read Tim...but then again, they might not understand that either! ^_~) =^__~=

[AlexandraTheNostalgi]

I consider Ralph's feelings for Meg to be Real Love... What do we know about a dilemma a deeply religious priest has when he is tempted by "worldly love"? I think he (and Meg too) were facing a problem more difficult than the death of one's love.

Tim & Mary then - they did love each other for real, too. Their problem was the judgmental world around that would not accpet a love like theirs

[KittyStarlight]

I think that Ralph and Meggie were in True Love ...Mary and Tim also...and to me one of the signs of that is that they (both couples) had love/friendship/etc. (not just "romance"). "Their problem was the judgmental world around that would not accept a love like theirs"...that applies to both couples too, I think! In the book Tim, I think that Mary's and Tim's spirits fell in love, but that how their lives appeared to other people was as if they were unsuited (maybe unlovable?).

[AlexandraTheNostalgi]

In the late 1970s at some point the right to love of mentally/physically challenged people was An Issue. I remember reading many books and seeing many films and TV series handling the same theme. Tim, to me, was the best of those. I never saw a filmatization of it, not even a TV series, so I am really looking forward to getting that DVD with MG as Tim. And I do hope it will not turn out to be a disappointment.

[KittyStarlight]

Oh, yeah, I kind of recall that theme (secondhand, sort of, as I was still quite young then! ^_^ but yes, lots of books and movies on that theme are from that time! however I never really thought of Tim as being part of that group ...Colleen McCullough is one of a kind and I always just thought of it as HERS [and maybe sort of as practice for writing The Thorn Birds, which (so I've heard/read) she thought about/worked on for a number of years!]). =^___^=

[KittyStarlight]

"It was soooo long ago I read the book, but I do recall Tim being blond in my imagination" ...thank you for expressing it like that, because I feel exactly that way too...I've been trying for the past half hour or so to recall if the book ever actually SAID that he was blond, or if I just think so on account of his name being Tim (which I usually associate with fair hair) and the character's tending to seem quiet/shy/etc. (and vulnerable etc.) and other similar reasons! =^__^=

[AlexandraTheNostalgi]

Our own imagination is usually the reason why we dislike the movie after reading the book first. At least for me. When you read a book, you picture the characters and places in your head, and if the film-makers picture them too much different, that is the first reason to detest a filmatization. If, in addition, the plot is changed too much, and maybe some characters I consider important left out- consider

[AlexandraTheNostalgi]

I accidentally posted this too soon. Just a little short: The sentence after the hyphen should be: - I will consider the film a failure.

[KittyStarlight]

I actually love the TTB miniseries ALMOST as much as the TTB book. ALMOST. ^_~ (I forgive Sydney Penny and Rachel Ward for not looking like Meggie. ^_~ I guess red-gold-haired Irish or Irish-Australian or Irish-American actresses weren't very popular with directors back then, or something. ^_~) The 1996 TV movie Mary and Tim DID change too many things too much, I think. I'm not sure if the producers didn't understand the love story or what...but their version was watered-down.

[KittyStarlight]

I don't think Mel Gibson was all that cute at 20 or so...I think he was cuter at about 30something or a bit older...then again, what do I know? ^_~ (His pictures that I saw for Tim [DVD/video covers, probably] look [to me] sort of as if he were trying to look like James Dean or something. ^_~ Not that anything is wrong with James Dean, but the sort of dark-haired tough look doesn't remind me at all of the Tim in the book! ^_~) Piper Laurie as Mary, though, THAT I'd like to see...

[KittyStarlight]

Drat it, the darn thing posted itself twice ...I don't remember doing anything to cause that! Sorry to Candice (not Candace) Bergen, for spelling her name wrong in an earlier post (I wasn't sure I could get back into my post if I left it to check the spelling!). Anyway the different variations/retellings of stories do tend to intrigue me...although the 1990's Mary and Tim did lose a lot in "translation" ("not the full quid" beats "a few cans short of a six-pack" any day! ^_~).

[AlexandraTheNostalgi]

It was soooo long ago I read the book, but I do recall Tim being blonde in my imagination. BUT, I just love Mel Gibson's acting in the Cospiracy Theory, so I am quite open-minded about his role as TIM. Can't wait to get it. I had to order it from the USA, myself living in Finland, and it seems to take very long to get it. Anyway, I'll try to remember to comment the DVD here, too, once I've seen it. :)

[zickenbeast]

That's an odd thing.

(seltsam...)

[rchater2]

lol. I had a huuuge crush on Richard Chamberlain after I saw this TV movie!...and then I got crushed when I found out he was gay!!! lmao! :D

[bolzplatz38]

me too i can´t believe it lol

[Kamilidis]

very nice music

[jesbear6]

Wait, is any one thinking... pervert?

I do some, but his love is for her and her alone, so Great

[GRAVINA62]

Well it kind of cross my mind she was a child when they met. But who cares he's hot.

[KittyStarlight]

To Gravina:

That Meggie was a child when she and Ralph

first met is, I believe, partly WHY their

love was able to be special and gentle and

(at first) innocent...and NOT perverted.

But I won't argue/debate the issue any

further if I can help it! ^_~

=^___^=

[sihaanm]

wooooow that music and the situation makes me cry....

[Phionna44]

Oh have anyone read the book?? If you have then you must understand that this is just a bid dissapointment!!

[Augustus1225]

I have to disagree. While the book gets any reader deeper into the conciousness of each character and develops the charcater by the indepth narrative, I have to say this is one of the best movies I have ever seen. I DO wish they had made it even longer, as I feel that the story and the characters could have carried it, but much of what is left out is not vital the central theme of the story which is ill-fated love, ambition and pride. Books are ALWAYS better than movies...

[Augustus1225]

but then they ae less expensive to produce. I will never forget this movie or this music...

[AlexandraTheNostalgi]

I read the book before the Tv series, and I was disappointed, too. It is always that way. Did you read Tim (by the same author)? Did you see the movie on it? I didn't and was just wondering if it was any good. At least it had Mel Gibson?

[Phionna44]

I'm glad some one understood me :)

it really is always that way.

Nope, I didn't read it. But I think i should.

[lovec78]

I agree 100% the film was good, but after you read the book (which I have read about 5 times) the film doesn't compare. I love love love the book. Fee in the book turned out to be one of my favorite characters. The love between meggie and ralph much more intense.

[Phionna44]

Yup :D

[KittyStarlight]

I don't know about any Mel Gibson version of Tim (what part would he play anyway, he's too old to play Tim and probably too young or at least too youngish/vigorous to play Tim's aging dad...he could maybe play Mary's boss, I guess!). I HAVE seen the 1990's made-for-TV movie Mary and Tim (with Candace Bergen and Thomas McCarthy). It was okay, sort of...maybe a tenth as good as the book...they lost a LOT by changing the setting from 1970's Australia to 1990's America!!! =^___^=

[KittyStarlight]

Further about the Mary and Tim movie, loosely based on the book Tim...the movie made it look as if she wasn't really even in love with him...as if she just became friends with him as if he were really a child, but then she married him anyway because she was lonely or something, not because she was really in love with him... stupid...oh, and, they changed Dawnie's name to Justine!!! (I understand why they wanted to...but it was stupid to...and Justine was a better sister than Dawnie!)

[AlexandraTheNostalgi]

He did play the role of TIM - twenty+ years ago he was not that old... :) The book came out in the 1970s, so did the movie, and then Mel was just about 20, and a real cutie! :)Actually I think it was one of his first roles. I will be getting it on DVD soon, and I will let you all know then what my opinion is...

[KittyStarlight]

To Alexandra again: You and I were typing our posts at the exact same time! ^_^ I hope the 1979 movie was better/truer to the book Tim (I see in the credits that at least they let Dawnie stay Dawnie!). (I know when the book came out, it was the author's first published book, as I recall...I either didn't know or had forgotten that a movie was made of it not long after...and I'm sure I didn't know until tonight that Mel Gibson had played the title role! Have fun watching! ^_^

[KittyStarlight]

To Alexandra again: You and I were typing our posts at the exact same time! ^_^ I hope the 1979 movie was better/truer to the book Tim (I see in the credits that at least they let Dawnie stay Dawnie!). (I know when the book came out, it was the author's first published book, as I recall...I either didn't know or had forgotten that a movie was made of it not long after...and I'm sure I didn't know until tonight that Mel Gibson had played the title role! Have fun watching! ^_^

[KittyStarlight]

To Alexandra: Oh, okay, you mean the 1979 film version of Tim (I did find pictures of Mel Gibson in the title role at IMDb ...looking NOTHING LIKE the character as far as I'm concerned...nor can I imagine him acting much like the character either). (Interesting trivia: Piper Laurie [who was in the TTB miniseries] played Mary ...oh, and, in the 1990's TV version, Richard Kiley [Paddy from TTB] played Tim's dad! ^_^) (I did think that Tim's dad was fairly good in that version. ^_^)

[binkle1]

YOW! Wish "it" was still like that!

[THESONARIAN]

The perfect start of the video ... the most memorable scene in the movie ... thank you very much ...

[BrittanyCecilie]

i don't like this "ralph" because he is very egocentric and loves only himself

[bittersweetsaxappeal]

I have one problem, her name isn't Maggie, it's Meggie, it's short for Meghann, just read the book by Colleen McCullough

[BiancaMoll]

Excellent - A true journey back to this classic. I was still a young girl but I will carry this lovely story with me until death since it was a true classic. Thank-you for this tribute.

[21woman]

I totally agree with you, I was totally in love with this movie in my first teenage years.

[loveppl]

great video for a great movie:]]